I had a 25lb CQR which was stolen in 1987, I still have a 35lb CQR, both came with my 1939 boat. Curiously both have lead in the tip of their “flukes”. Also I understood that the CQR is meant to lie on its side as it sets.
May be true here but I have extensively used both anchors. In tens of thousands of miles cruising many countries, I have had terrible luck with genuine CQR. And good luck with the Delta. (Always oversized. I now use a Spade and love it.
Have you considered a stability category? You do a great job commenting when an anchors rolls out, lurches, or has steady movement, but it hasn't been well ranked. It seems somewhat buried in the numbers thus far and its hard to distinguish between an anchor that jumps and holds verses one that steadily moves. A good example would be Sarca Excel verses Mantus M2. They both rank high. However, at high power the Mantus M2 will be engaged with steady movement, while the Sarca Excel will hold solid, rollout, reset, and repeat. I love the work you're doing. Keep it up! Also, another category to consider is fouling, whether by mud or weed.
I would love to "put a number" on anchor behavior/stability during high holding, but I feel that a rating will be "subjective" to a certain degree. For example, in your example, one person may feel that "holding solid, rollout, repeat" is better than "steady movement, engaged". I could argue benefits of both. In a way, the Ranking Charts that I publish might be a disservice as they may result in people not bothering to watch the accompanying videos - and coming to their own conclusions.
@@flygoodwin Very good points. I know I look forward to seeing the video footage. A video discussing the benefits of each behavior would be very interesting.
First of all, thank you for videos testing these anchors. However i have not seen you use a "dead man", "anchor chum", or som weight on the anchor chain. I don't know what you call it, but it is a weight you put on anchor chain after the anchor is set. example 10 - 15 kilo or more, depending on the size of the boat perhaps. Does a weight on the anchor chain improve the holding? Will it acts like a damper sort of? Is it worth looking into it?
The device that you refer to is commonly called a kellet. These will improve holding and damping to a certain degree. But for most situations, I feel they are not worth the trouble because a good, high holding anchor in a good bottom will generate enough holding power to lift all but the most absurdly sized kellets. Could be useful in a terrible seabed or with a very low holding power anchor. Long chain or all chain rodes give similar benefit (and abrasion resistance) without the hassel of handling the kellet.
Question have you ever done any testing on the slide anchoring box anchor? Found myself owning one when I fouled on it in liberty bay. Is it worth keeping on the boat?
I have not tested a slide anchor. In order to make high holding power, anchors need to dive deeply into the seabed. It is hard to imagine the box anchor burying more than the "teeth". That said, my predictions have been wrong before.......Need to test.
Beware. I bought a D type copy, would not even set in soft mud. Just sat on its back. The shank did look over sized, I guess the geometry is very critical. I don’t like CQR as the hinge makes it not good to handle. Though perhaps an over sized one is worth considering, considering they are not expensive
Why would you bother , both are poor holding , bad reputation there is a reason for that and the pin wear doesn't make a difference , and delta OMG it should come with a disclaimer that you put your life in danger every time you anchor
Thank you for all the work Steve!! Great!
I had a 25lb CQR which was stolen in 1987, I still have a 35lb CQR, both came with my 1939 boat.
Curiously both have lead in the tip of their “flukes”. Also I understood that the CQR is meant to lie on its side as it sets.
Aye, this is indeed a interesting development in your work.
Excellent video. Thank you
Thks for sharing
May be true here but I have extensively used both anchors. In tens of thousands of miles cruising many countries, I have had terrible luck with genuine CQR. And good luck with the Delta. (Always oversized. I now use a Spade and love it.
Have you considered a stability category? You do a great job commenting when an anchors rolls out, lurches, or has steady movement, but it hasn't been well ranked. It seems somewhat buried in the numbers thus far and its hard to distinguish between an anchor that jumps and holds verses one that steadily moves. A good example would be Sarca Excel verses Mantus M2. They both rank high. However, at high power the Mantus M2 will be engaged with steady movement, while the Sarca Excel will hold solid, rollout, reset, and repeat. I love the work you're doing. Keep it up!
Also, another category to consider is fouling, whether by mud or weed.
I would love to "put a number" on anchor behavior/stability during high holding, but I feel that a rating will be "subjective" to a certain degree. For example, in your example, one person may feel that "holding solid, rollout, repeat" is better than "steady movement, engaged". I could argue benefits of both. In a way, the Ranking Charts that I publish might be a disservice as they may result in people not bothering to watch the accompanying videos - and coming to their own conclusions.
@@flygoodwin Very good points. I know I look forward to seeing the video footage. A video discussing the benefits of each behavior would be very interesting.
First of all, thank you for videos testing these anchors. However i have not seen you use a "dead man", "anchor chum", or som weight on the anchor chain. I don't know what you call it, but it is a weight you put on anchor chain after the anchor is set. example 10 - 15 kilo or more, depending on the size of the boat perhaps. Does a weight on the anchor chain improve the holding? Will it acts like a damper sort of? Is it worth looking into it?
The device that you refer to is commonly called a kellet. These will improve holding and damping to a certain degree. But for most situations, I feel they are not worth the trouble because a good, high holding anchor in a good bottom will generate enough holding power to lift all but the most absurdly sized kellets. Could be useful in a terrible seabed or with a very low holding power anchor. Long chain or all chain rodes give similar benefit (and abrasion resistance) without the hassel of handling the kellet.
Question have you ever done any testing on the slide anchoring box anchor? Found myself owning one when I fouled on it in liberty bay. Is it worth keeping on the boat?
I have not tested a slide anchor. In order to make high holding power, anchors need to dive deeply into the seabed. It is hard to imagine the box anchor burying more than the "teeth". That said, my predictions have been wrong before.......Need to test.
You can use mine for the test if you so desire . They are not cheap to purchase ( I looked them up )
Beware. I bought a D type copy, would not even set in soft mud. Just sat on its back. The shank did look over sized, I guess the geometry is very critical.
I don’t like CQR as the hinge makes it not good to handle. Though perhaps an over sized one is worth considering, considering they are not expensive
I'm in the pnw 36ft Grand Bank's what's the best anchor for her she has a 35lbs cqr now
Interesting. Down here in tassie my (very) subjective impression was that the delta set much better than the CQR. Especially in hard sand.
I'd give anything to find some bona fide "hard sand" for testing. I'll keep looking.
Shit vs shit, but not as shit as next week's anchor, got it :-D
Why recommend the cqr over the delta? Isn’t the point of all this testing that boaters should be considering modern anchors.
No. The point of this testing is to gain knowledge about anchors.
Bruce
Very close. Bruce copy.
Why would you bother , both are poor holding , bad reputation there is a reason for that and the pin wear doesn't make a difference , and delta OMG it should come with a disclaimer that you put your life in danger every time you anchor