Is VAR really ruining football? | Pro-VAR vs Anti-VAR | Agree To Disagree | LADbible
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2020
- In this episode of Agree To Disagree we take on the biggest issue in football right now - VAR (Video Assistant Referee). Two sports journalists from within the LADbible family go head-to-head in a heated discussion over whether there is any place for technology in the game.
Let us know in the comments below what you think about VAR and who you think won the debate.
Agree To Disagree was shot before social distancing rules were introduced.
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Anti var was definitely pro var before var got introduced
Spot on
Joe Me var has helped some teams out better than others. I’m gonna assume var hasn’t done whoever he supports any favours lol
Yuuup
There’s not enough grey areas. There should be more options. Us humans aren’t goats.
Everyone was pro-var before it came in, and everyone would be pro-var if it were removed.
Anybody else read "pro war vs anti war"? On the thumbnail
Yes, lol
Yep lol
Glad it wasn’t just me lol
Yes!!!
Yes, I was very confused when they started talking football :D
whys the anti VAR guy so RUDE
Leeds fan
Because he’s contradicting himself every other sentence, he’s got to look right somehow
He’s a man child who bases his opinions purely on emotional reflex
Because he's from fuckin leeds
@@Tiny_Boats_And_Bikes nah it's cuz he is from leeds, nomatter if he is right or wrong, swearing is a main ingredient of their language ...
Love the Pro-VAR guy. Has a good argument and a nice tone. The Anti-VAR guy is so unlikeable. He cuts his opponent off a lot, he literally calls him an idiot...Kids, don’t argue like this guy.
the anti var guy is not calling him.an idiot.....read the question
@@markdavid9329 he literally said you are the village idiot in this discussion, and I completely agree with the first comment, while I might edge more on the side of the anti var in the way I feel, the pro var guy was definitely the more calm and articulate and made alot of points I couldn't argue with
The antivar guy convinced me to support var
AHAHAHAHA. Love this. Cheers.
facts
True
Imagine calling someone the village idiot for not wanting teams to cheat
Imagine being pro var
@@3Masto imagine not being
@@Tiny_Boats_And_Bikes That's part of the game. If he gets caught by the referee, he takes the yellow. If not it's ok. It's a game, it's all interpretation, there's no black and white. We gotta keep in mind that the referee is only human and we all accept the rules when we play...
@@3Masto no it's not part of the game. it's outside of the rules and therefore needs to go. instant red for diving.
@@TizerisT. ok dude
Anti-VAR guy is the biggest knob I've seen in a while.
I find calling someone an idiot just because they have a different opinion to you is the most idiotic thing anyone can do
He was playing on the question
@@SJ.Analysis Nope
read the question
My friend’s name is Var and he plays football. I’m gonna show him this without context.
DragonKamran24 yes
Doubt
Darkren01 good. Cause I lied to get likes lol
The issue with the complaint of waiting 3-5 minutes for VAR to make a decision is if the decision was made in 10 seconds, the fans who the decision went against would accuse VAR of not looking into the decision thoroughly and 10 seconds isn’t enough time.
Let them complain then, it’s still better for football fans as a whole
well it's gonna happen anyway so you might as well take your time.
The anti VAR guy just seems ignorant the whole time
Rude and disrespectful. Imagine having to spend any time in an office with him, I'd kill myself
Now he's mowning about watching games at home cos of the pandemic.
Fully on the side of pro var!
champions league yes prem no
@ammar belbel liverpool is sponsored by var and spurs is its first daughter
@ammar belbel in Ucl and its been gr8 in calls and uk prem is the best league theirs no clear winner like other leagues
ammar belbel 😂I’m Nottingham Forest actually, but I can see why you would guess that
@@jaheim1872 Liverpool has less var decisions than utd soooo
Christ, I forgot VAR was even a thing. Right now I’m not bothered about VAR I just want footy back.
Sameeee :((((
The anti-var guy made this unwatchable, the irony haha.
The Anti-Var guy would take everything back had VAR been implemented in the 2010 World Cup when Frank Lampard scored that Equaliser against Germany
Thats goal-line technology, not VAR
I thought it said pro war
Me too, that's why I clicked it
Same I clicked thinking that and I was surprised
Ha! Not just me then! 👍
Wasn't able to watch the whole video cause the anti var is unbearable...
“VAR ruins a match day experience” I went to Southampton vs Newcastle and one of the best parts of day was VAR
VAR is the cancer in football
@@stephenwaller7461 VAR is just a tool. The cancer is the stupid refs who use the tool incorrectly. But VAR or no VAR, stupid refs are going to exist anyways
@@EdgarHernandez-dq4vj So the refs are stupid so why do we need VAR to confirm it? Refs make good and poor decisions so why do we need VAR? They make poor and good decisions with or without it. All VAR does is add another layer of ambiguity to a decision which the pundits spend more wasted time arguing about. VAR solves nothing.
@@stephenwaller7461What you said isn’t true. VAR statistically speaking has improved the accuracy of the game. This being that there are good refs as well that use the tool correctly and make good calls that’s otherwise would have been gotten wrong. VAR is not perfect at the moment but the game is far better with it implemented than it used to be without it.
The 100m sprint reasoning was actually quality
“You can’t say that it’s enhanced the premier league at all”
“Yes it’s gotten more decisions right”
And the anti var one said cut the cameras we’re done here? Ironic
The anti-Var guy is just a Juventus supporter who misses being able to pay the refs
Lmao, we still kick your ass with VAR😂
Too true juventus would bum your team
Lol
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thought it said pro war and was so confused when I clicked and started watching.
I said many times before and I'll say it again: the problem lies with the people that use it, not the system itself.
If Leeds were in the premier league and it was 90th minute of the last game of the season against Man City. With Leeds needing a point to stay up and its 0-0, Aguero scores and he was offside this guy would be bumming VAR. Its been one season nothings going to be perfect it needs at least a decade to get it right. Footballs been played for over 150 years and the rules still are being changed every year. Its here to stay, get on with it and stop moaning.
Atleast a decade? 😂😂😂 its fine now. Dont know what you were thinking when you said a at least a decade😂😂😂
We so need more of these. They're, eye opening and intellectual debates.
Anti-VAR guy: "A player gets sent off and fans just chant VAR, VAR. That's not what football is about!"
Also Anti-VAR guy: "Oh yeah, my player gets sent off and fans chant referee's a wanker. I chant it myself!"
Irony died a thousand deaths!
Only a couple of minutes in and I get the strong feeling that the anti-VAR guy isn't a real football fan. He's the type to be found in a hospitality box with a glass of champagne and a prawn sandwich.
"Quality and standards of refs in the premier league is abysmal."
Tell me a sport where people are happy with the refs.
Rugby
Stormtrooper11 yes my child i agree
I’m actually probably anti var but my representative here came off such a knob I was agreeing with the pro var guy most of the time lol
The anti var guy makes me wanna throw up with the way he’s acting 🤢🤮
Gets more decisions right than wrong. No its not perfect but did people expect perfect after 1 season? Obviously there was going to be little problems like offsides etc but it'll all get fixed and with the amount of money involved in football it is needed in the game.
The ideology of the system are perfect, we just need good enough refs to make it work.
Remember too many chefs spoil the broth
@@str33t. don't get how that's relevant but ok
anti var has clearly never recieved a slap for something that he said before.
You should make a pro vax vs anti vax video
isnt there one?
Jaheim they’re*
@@Gblonkers thnx
@@jaheim1872 you were correct in the first place, Stanley's correction is wrong
@@Yamborules i was still wrong the first time i had "their" insead of "there".
I’ve seen every episode and every person on the show would always go for another drink with the person opposite of them! It’s awesome they’d be willing to be friends, but I want to see FIGHTS break out
i don't remember the offside rule stating that a player can be offside by a nose
both arguments were really well thought out and argued really well by both guys
they said it needed to be trailed in a competition first but it was used in the FA cup previous to being introduced into the premier league
Finally, a debate I know a lot about!!
I’m American, I have no clue what this is but it sure as hell beats anything that is happening in America rn
lol I thought this said “pro-war.” I’m American and have no idea what any of this means.
I guess we should just wait for the Wenger's offside adjustments
VAR's biggest problem to me is calling guys offsides for being a millimeter ahead. Other than that I quite enjoy it.
Same
Nothings like the dynamic of banter between 2 football supporters supporting different teams
Wouldn't it be a good idea to use the rule from field tennis? Like a specific amount of VAR-check possibilities for every team.
I thought the title said WAR😶😐 I was so confused through the whole video😅
I'm not kidding, when I read the title I thought it was pro-war Vs anti-war, expecting a serious discussion bringing light to issues, and here I click on the vid and I see two blokes talking about football.
To be honest I think it's either a double climax, or a climax and come down when a goal is either allowed or disallowed with var. Whe a goal is scored everyones celebrating anyway, then if it goes to var, a bit more tension, then whether or not it gets allowed, theres despair or glory. For me, it all adds to the excitement of the game. Dont mind waiting a minute if it means we get a goal that was supposed to be, but may have been disallowed! But yeah it could use improvements and I'm sure itll get them
The one point for which VAR was introduced was to get the refereeing decisions as accurate as possible and they both completely agreed... end of the debate imo
In my opinion being against VAR after 1 season is ridiculous it needs time to improve and get better eventually it will be quick and efficient but to want it removed at this stage is ridiculous we will truly find out everyone's opinion when there is a big goal overturned in a WC Final and I am a city fan so you know not had the best experience with VAR
@LADbible TV Please can you read out the questions. It'll make it easier for those who listen to it in the background ;)
Football was fine for 100 years without VAR.
Why can’t we just be happy knowing that things may not go your way and keep it real with raw emotion and flowing. No stop and starting computers etc
The problem with VAR isnt VAR itself its the people making the wrong decisions while using VAR.
I am for it but it can definitely be improved and we've already seen that begin to happen this season
In the Championship part of what makes it what it is is the randomness and I think VAR would take away from that if introduced there
I read WAR in the title and now i am dissapointed :c Was so hyped for the discussion.
I don’t even know what VAR is but I’m still intrigued 😂
The fact is:
One of the main important factors of football is rivalry, and because of that, we are able to let some kind of ''injustice'' being something acceptable so that my team wins and we can make fun of the loosing one, i don't think that injustice is the fun part of the game, but i do think that it is being misused just like the time that takes to check something or even the necessity for the referee to check on a offside cause, cause in a offsde 99% of situations are not interpretative, so a machine could detect it, such as other sports, like Volleyball and Tennis.
10:27 he was really gonna disagree but then switched instantly to play it off😂😂
Electronzs 13 that was a joke
paul smudge well idk man the guy seemed pretty offended by his ideas being intelligently shot down..
I read this as Pro-War vs Anti-War and thought ‘Fucking hell lads, this is gonna be a bit contentious in’it!?’
He’s gonna be pissed now Leeds are in the prem
if we think how long it takes now compared to when it was introduced to make decisions it’s so much faster there’s maybe 2/3 mins max of a game waiting for var so give it a few years and it will be even more efficient
Can't wait for this
Football is the people's sport. It's brilliant as we all grow up aspiring to be our heroes , recreating our favourite goals with our mates down the park, staying fit and having fun.
The reason it has naturally evolved to be the greatest sport is because of it's simplicity and it is inclusive to everybody, you don't need any special or expensive equipment to play, just a ball at the very least. Kids have played their way out of impoverished slums, kept them away from drugs and crime, and changed their family's life. If we change the sport permanently and make VAR a prominent part of the sport; how can kids play in school? How can the thousands and thousands of amateur teams around the world play? What is the point if it's not the same at all levels?
There is nothing wrong with referees, the sport has worked well for decades, the formula works. No sport needs technology at all, people physically play sport, the only tech needed is to capture the footage so we can all enjoy it. Refereeing decisions have led to the some of the most iconic moments in football, giving the action some drama, making heroes and villains, giving the school playground and workplace some banter as you get one one over on your mates team, giving the sport an interesting narrative at times. Why takes extra drama away from the entertainment? If it gets to point where every decision is perfectly called by a machine and the referees jobs is reduced to just operating software on a tablet from the side of the pitch, then that is going to be so lame and embarrassing.
Saw the title for a second, thought it said “Pro war v anti war”
Offside was implemented to stop goal hanging not when someone’s arm put is behind the last defender
Remake this after the Arsenal vs man city game, please.
Good video 👌
Just think about it, if the decision is taking more than 2 minutes we can agree it is not a clear and obvious error, so even in a pro var point of view it's counter productive. It should be there to point out near to obvious mistakes. Imo it shouldn't involve in many subjective decisions which will always cause confusion because we now have 2 persons expressing their opinions. And for some decisions we can go all day replaying the footage and still have no conclusion, if there is a confusion always go with the ref's original call. It's not that hard, I think.
So I stopped being into football after I turned 13 or something around that age (am 32 now) but why is this thing unpopular? Why would you want to get the calls wrong due to human error? This is incomprehensible to me.
Watching the video, it sounds like people just want to participate in a tribal ritual and not an actual sport. The sport is supposed to be all about who is better and you need correct judging to determine who deserves to win. Screw the celebrating or whatever lol.
It's disliked more because the VAR doesn't really work, they're still getting a lot of decisions wrong
I don't think you understand football culture tbh
@@tommyrogers5298 Maybe not current culture but I was super into it from a very young age until I lost interest so I get the part about cheering when you get a goal. You can fix this by just speeding up the systems used, it doesn't need to take 3 minutes, you can just have a camera ref looking at the footage constantly and make calls as quickly as the regular ones do.
Here in Belgium VAR is ruining the game most of the time.
They're onto something with the number of challenges a team gets. Stop people from batching about calls in tennis
TMO is effectively VAR but for Rugby but that does not affect the experience, it doesn't stop fans cheering after a try. It improves sport massively.
most heated vs so far and correctly so
Why are they asking fans of two clubs who haven’t experienced VAR
I didn’t people from the Middle Ages act as officials on a football pitch 🤣
I believe there should be a challenge system.
Each coach can request a VAR check. They can only wrongly call for a VAR challenge twice.
VAR is a good thing if it’s used correctly, there is nothing wrong with VAR it’s the people that use it.
for me, the offside line should get thicker. overal, that would be a wonderful decision
Remember when the most controversial thing was the introduction of var
Remember when refs were being vilified because they were getting decisions awfully wrong, Howard Webb was constantly being accused of being on Fergies payroll? VAR is something that is a work in progress, and will only improve. And it will improve to a level where refs on the pitch just can't improve. Refs need help. Correct decisions need to be made. In a couple years When VAR has been streamlined and perfected this video will have aged really poorly.
How about each team be given the choice to request a VAR once in the game and if it's in their favour i.e they were right they retain it otherwise they lose it.
And it's like upto the captain to make that decision.
Anti Var guy made a fool of him self, pretty pathetic everything he said 🤣
I'm from the future and boy do I have news for you about VAR
i surely dont think var should be extinguished, however loads of things most be improved, especially the offside line (for me)
I agree with VAR in the sense that the concept is nice. I also agree that it's helpful.
I agree with anti-VAR in the sense that VAR could be made better and that it isn't perfect. I also agree that removing emotions from soccie is bad.
I love how the most heated agree to disagree are about football and dc vs marvel. The political ones are not even this heated
Boy did he think he got him when he said "define important things"
-""red cards, penalties,.. "
Ouch!
Anti Var guy is a proper knob. Even if you are anti VAR doesn’t mean you have to be disrespectful
At the end of the day, football is a form of entertainment. Anything that adds to the controversy and overall discussion is welcomed. And at the end of the day, we will still feel the same emotions and passions for the beautiful game.
Imagine the aguero goal with VAR
Just watched this entire video, and I'm still not really sure what VAR is
It's just a game. The only reason anyone knows what's happening is because there's an agreed upon set of rules. And VAR is a powerful tool for ensuring those rules are accurately enforced, which gives integrity to the game. Even though it's just a game, at this level there's a lot on the line so accuracy matters. VAR fills a hole of referee fallibility.
We definitely need Var for this argument.
The point of variation is too be accurate rules are rules
I'm pro VAR but of course, we can have a healthy discussion on how it's implemented, in my opinion the UCL is implementing it fairly well. Premier League wasn't doing it properly at all but seems to have improved towards the end. Perhaps on tight offside calls or handballs, there should be a 30 second time limit, if the answer isn't clear in 30 seconds, the original referee call should stand. That's just one suggestion.
Also the Anti-Var guy here is so rude, it's just football, chill.
I’m for Var. it’s just we need to speed up the process and use it correctly
I read it as Pro-War vs Anti-War lol
Pro-var guy won that debate after just the 1st round. The argument about "delaying celebration" which is pretty much the biggest one anti-var guys have isn't really strong, and that one example comes to my mind from Champions League, Man City - Tottenham. When City scored you see all those fans going mad and then VAR says it's offside, it was heartbreaking to watch even tho i'm neither a City or Tottenham fan. If there wasn't VAR system back and referee just raised his flag i don't think it would be as dramatic.
it brings peace to the fans, if they something has gone against them early in the game that’s the excuse for the rest of the game, with var if it’s not given it’s a reset for the fans no excuses