Should All Drugs Be Legalised? | Agree To Disagree
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In this heartbreaking episode two mothers who have both lost children to drugs debate whether or not we should legalise drugs.
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This is an excellent series. Fair play Lad Bible, you're doing important work.
Robert Dempsey agreed! Probably their best content so far. The rest usually just feels like clickbait, but this is actually interesting.
I agree something needs to be done over all these people dying from opiates
@@Bondenaron 100% agree with you. This and "The Gap".
This is a difficult subject to tackle. Both sides make realistic arguments but there’s some middle ground here, and if we all took the time to see that if we find it we could save lives
The war on drugs killed millions there is no middle ground
This isn't a difficult subject at all. What we are currently in is quite simply prohibition, now, prohibition, of any form has never worked, not once. Didn't work in the 1900's with Alcohol in America, hasn't worked in over 40 years of this "War on Drugs" The only thing its done is create a trillion dollar, unregulated market world wide and plunged countries like Mexico into civil war with no end in sight. Heres the thing, some 10,000 years ago the first "civilization" the Sumerians in Mesopotamia (basically where modern day Iraq is) have reordered over 20 different beer recipes as well as a plant that grows wild in that area of the world they called "The joy plant" aka The Opium Poppy that they readily used for a myriad of different things.
The key to actually "winning" the war on drugs is 5 fold.
1. Stop punishing the addicts (Decriminalization) - Substance Abuse Disorder is a recognized mental disorder, its drug addiction, now, we don't punish Alcoholics JUST for being alcoholics, we don't punish people with gambling addiction JUST because they have a gambling addiction, we don't punish sex addicts JUST for being sex addicts, all these addictions/disorders get education and treatment and rehabilitation meanwhile we punish drug addicts FOR BEING drug addicts and I'll tell you this, a conviction or prison sentence does MORE HARM to a drug addict, generally speaking, than drugs do. Why? Because people can be treated, educated and rehabilitated from drug addiction meanwhile a conviction/prison sentence is FOR LIFE, that shit is always on your record, it never goes away and it fucks up your whole life.
2. Harm minimization - Understanding that you're not going to stop addicts/drug users from being drug users just because its illegal and then helping to at least minimize the potential harm drugs can do to them eg; safe injecting rooms (lots of addicts have hepatitis from sharing dirty needles, giving them a place they can at least go to get clean needles etc so as not to have to use dirty shared needles and risk hepatitis) OR for younger kids in the night club scene, Pill testing so they can know what exactly is inside the drugs they are taking, know what is a safe level (if any) to have and if anything is in them they don't know about. PILL TESTING has been proven to drastically reduce overdoses and deaths.
3. Education - This is 2 fold, this is educating the users about what they are using, harms etc but also educating the public to help remove the fucking huge stigma attached to drug addiction.
4. Treatment/Rehabilitation - Take the money currently spent on catching, prosecuting, jailing/punishing drug addicts/users and instead put that towards education/treatment (psychologists etc)/rehabilitation centers to help those people on drugs get clean and stay clean!
5. Legalization - Obviously with restrictions eg; Driving while on a substance, Working on a substance etc etc (similar to alcohol.. which is, statistically shown to be the most socially damaging drug on the planet by the way)
* The final step, legalization firstly puts all the cartels out of business, the only reason they are in business is because of the illegal nature of the drugs, if they are legalized then the cartels have to compete with proper drug companies, producing cleaner, purer, safer versions of the drugs which would then be sold at specific locations (similar to bottle shops)
* Immediately you'd have overdoses, drug/gangland violence etc reducing drastically.
* The products would obviously be heavily taxed (as governments around love to do. aggressively tax vices eg smocking and alcohol) so this would mean additional taxation for the government, income that could then be used to fund steps 2, 3 and 4.
P.S. Sidenote, I know people will say "Legalizing or Decriminalizing drugs will make everyone do drugs" and this has been shown and proven to be false. If you've never touched drugs, never wanted to etc, then legalizing drugs makes absolutely ZERO difference to your life, NONE. The only people whos lives this makes a difference too is the people who are on drugs or are drug addicts, those people, who are going to do drugs regardless, who already know where to get drugs from etc, are the only ones affected and that effect is taking away the fear (fear of prosecution, fear of being ostracized because of the stigma surrounding drug use) associated with drug use AND helping to minimize the dangers associated with it. That is it. OVERALL, decriminalization/legalization is a net positive, it gets more people into rehab, it gets people out of jails and back living their lives, it stimulates tax revenue, helps eliminate cartel presences and drastically reduces crime rates.
If you don't believe me look up "The Portugal Method" and see how they were on the verge of a heroin epidemic over 10 years ago, they decriminalized drugs and see the effect it has had on those addicts + the country as a whole.
Edit, This comes from someone who knows what they are talking about, most of my family are "drug and alcohol" workers/counselors, my mother and grandmother ran a women's only sobering up house (helping drug addicted women get clean and sober and help them move on with their lives) for MANY MANY years, I've seen first hand what drug addiction can do to someone and I've seen first hand how the current system can, in many cases, only make matters worse. Its been over 40 fucking years of this bullshit, 40 fucking years of laws created by racists, The first Anti-Cocaine laws were directed at black men in the south in the early part of the 20th century and it was all about "what would happen to those black men if they took that white powder up their nose and forgot their proper place in society"
@@beau9956 beautifully put
@@israelgulley9104 Thank you very much
@@beau9956 I hope you're working in government some where. If not you're the kind of person the world needs.
Why is alcohol not considered a gateway drug? 99% of people who use other drugs tried alcohol before weed or anything else. In my 32 years on this earth, i have never heard an addict say they tried heroine because their dealer didnt have weed at the time. CURIOSITY is the main driving force of trying new or harder drugs. The notion that someone can be persuaded into cociane, lsd or heroine just because they tried weed before is totaly bonkers to me....
The key word for me is all, I dont believe all drugs should be legalized, because it opens Pandora's box for a lot of different things. I do however think that there should be more readily available help for people who do need it as well as removing some of the stigma around drugs that way people who are suffering dont feel like they should be ashamed and try and hide it. I also dont think that drugs should be as criminalized as they are, most(not all) people do drugs to escape reality for a bit and to feel that high, that elation and when they come down they then feel that loneliness and sadness. They feel something is missing, and when we imprison them for that when they get out they then fall back into that loop. It's hard to find a job, or housing, and most of the time a lot of their friends do it, misery attracts misery. By imprisoning them we create sadness, which then fuels addiction, which fuels drug use, and we repeat this cycle. Dont send them to prison or jail, put them into a rehab facility so they can meet people like themselves so they know they are not alone and that they are loved and they do matter. Give them tools to help them to build a better life and become the best they can be, that is what they need. People are flawed, we all are, and we all make mistakes, big and small. I have never done any illicit drugs, but I have had friends and family who have, and I have lost both because of it. I actually had a friend blow his head off in front of me with a shotgun due to a downward spiral of depression and drug abuse. I didnt realize what was happening until it was far to late and I do believe that if there was more help with addiction he would still be here. Dont hurt people who are already hurting, help them to heal.
Pardon me for replying to myself, but when it comes to heroin one alternative route you can take to begin recovering is going to a methadone clinic. It's legal, and it is a step in the right direction for those who want to recover. Progress is progress, big or small.
I want all drugs available to people above 21 y.o. Government should not dictate what people can or can't do, such thing is like paying someone to clean up your home then the person starts to give you orders.
What annoys me is the people who doesnt know the difference between Weed and Hashish 🙄 lol
drugs should be AT LEAST decriminalised. someone addicted who needs help shouldnt be thrown into a cage with murderes and rapists and be further exposed to that culture.
Even if you aren’t exposed to criminal culture you still come out with a felony half the time. Felonies limit job opportunities, housing options, and voting rights. If you limit people’s options like this you shouldn’t be surprised when they start using again.
a banana that’s so true , most people start using harder drugs after getting with marijuana then going onto probation then you can’t smoke weed so you get into harder drugs ( heroin , cocaine , pain pills , etc. ) then by the time your off probation you don’t even wanna smoke weed anymore , your addicted to hard drugs by then. That’s what happened to me at least , and a lot of other people I know..
It's about the criminals but how do you get to them? That's the issue here. If you you want to make the connection and decriminalise drug use and make it into a sickness, you have to really cut down on the small fish that make the crimes possible. It could and should be done but it's a difficult subject.
Throwing addicts into prison, where they can still get drugs, is so dumb.
There should be mandatory prescription in mental health hospitals for addicts of any kind.
She's right weed is only a gateway drug because its illegal, because you are forced to buy weed from drug dealers. If it were sold in a shop no ones gonna offer you harder stuff an you won't be forced to be involved with criminals and criminal behaviour
As a Canadian I smoke and don't want harder drugs but because I had to go to a dealer I was offered every drug I could imagine when it was still illegal. Luckily I was not tempted but many are.
Completely agree. I smoke and have never had any desire to even try anything harder. I live in the UK and hate the dealing with drug dealers side of things. It helps my insomnia immensely so I only ever smoke before bed and have to be treated like a criminal because I struggle with sleeping.
@@odfkjdhgovj How old are you may I ask? I suffered a similar thing, after a while of "needing a joint" to help me sleep/deal with my insomnia - I realised I was addicted the the tobacco in the end. I cut down completely on tobacco and got a decent sleep after that. Not saying it is the same issue, just speaking of my personal experience.
But I completely agree with the point regarding gateway as it is illegal. If the first time you ever had to deal with a street dealer was for cocaine or MDMA, it would be very scary. Once you've met a few weed dealers, it breaks down the barrier of them being scary people or w.e.
That is purely anecdotal.
@@iamalpharius6288 Is it? I have had a similar experience with dealers, offering other drugs. Only anecdotal when one person says it, there is 1000s of people who agree and will say their dealers offered them MDMA/cocaine, which they accepted.
Sure they might have done it anyway, but no way to really know either way.
jesus. i cant even imagine losing 2 children from the same thing. Thats horrible.
Steven Burns I’m sorry
She should have raised them better.
@@christianruvalcaba7788 your lack of empathy is disgusting. Pray if you believe in anything that nothing like this ever happens to you. Karma is a bitch.
And after all she's been through, having the objectivity that she has towards drug legalization is astounding. The most enormous kudos to her.
@@christianruvalcaba7788 The ignorant blanket statement, eh? Addiction causes destruction in all walks of life. Rich, poor, stable families, unstable families. I had a good childhood and I went through many stupid things that my siblings did not but it does not mean that my parents did a bad job. I can only blame myself.
I know this is a serious discussion, but I chuckled a bit when she said "criminal crime gangs".
I think it was meant to be like "Criminal/crime/gangs" like either one of them
just heard it then looked at your comment... hilll AIR E US
i dare you to be as eloquent as her talking about losing your children to drugs...
@@itchynights bet money? 👀🙃
Old people lol
This has been my favourite one so far and I didn't expect that. Both were so attentive, vulnerable and respectful. Amazing ladies. I hope their sons rest easy.
the biggest issue with addiction is the lack of accessibility for help. sentencing people addicted to drugs to prison isn't helping anyone, it's just exposing them to more stress and anxiety, worsening the problem. there needs to be a better solution.
Not to mention giving them a lifetime criminal record.. making it impossible to travel, go to university, get a job etc. Which leads to more drugs..
It's not about helping it's about protecting other people from theme they should be punished for takeing drugs they knew it was illegal they knew it was bad
@@hbkhinkali2475 you are part of the problem. the key is prevention. if someone doesn't abuse drugs then there is no reason to punish them. how stupid do you have to be to say that. i mean, duh. you need to intergrade people with addiction back into society. it's a mental health issue, just like veterans who suffer from PTSD and people who suffer from mental illness. there is no such way to do that. there are no programs for these people, and it's people like you who say punish them punish them punish them, they don't get a chance to be human anymore. not all drug addiction is intentional. don't be so ignorant.
@@trazz407 but difference is that they deserve this mental illness they take drugs with there own wish if they admit it and ask goverment to help them than they should not be arrested and they should be helped but if they secretly take drugs and goverment finds out about it than they should be arrested
@@hbkhinkali2475 you aren't even being open minded to the other side of the argument. yes people do abuse drugs willingly, and they shouldn't be cast away from society, they need help, and there is no such government funded programs to help them. that hasn't existed in my lifetime of 30 years. a lot of people who struggle with addiction is not by choice. you have any idea how many people become addicted to opioids because they were prescribed them from their doctors for pain medication. you have any idea how many people are drugged and then taken away for human trafficking. you have any idea how many veterans that take drugs just for the sake to try to get through each day. there are so many different variables and no options to get help. and it's a known fact that people are less exposed abusing drugs when they are happy and not depressed. that's how you fight addiction, is providing more advantageous living and life conditions so people don't feel the need to take something to make them happy or feel the need to escape reality. for those who are stuck with those bad habits, there needs to be a place that's safe so they can seek the help they need. WE DON'T HAVE THAT. your idea is to throw them in jail and ignore it. it's like cancer, if you are proactive and find a solution before it grows out of control, it's less dangerous, you can't just leave it there and ignore it.
Tobacco and alcohol are the “gateways”, I do not subscribe to the gateway theory however, drugs have been used by humans before recorded history, experimentation is an important part of our existence.
I think it's not about gateways. It's about people. People who take any drugs (alcohol is a drug) are more experimental, more willing to try things.
I know people who started using various things but I was never surprised by it. The liberal kinds. Or the conservatives, less open, more restricted.
@@Arcaryon I really glad you brought that up. I think there are gateway people. The substance itself isn't really to blame.
@@remymcspanky2909 I never met the family father that studied econemy and went to church that suddenly started to smoke weed and then transitioned into harder stuff. Those cases may exist but they are exaptions. If you take weed, you are already willing to do something that is illegal in many parts of the world - unless it isn't. That alone says more than the chemicals themsleves. If you tell people that hard drugs like alcohol, tobacco and the worse stuff will end up killing or severely damaging them at high doses or just frequent use and they refuse, this is nothing that I blame on people being naive.
For example, folks always thought legalizing weed would be this big deal. Many more users aso. Truth is - not much changed exapt for governmental quality control and tax revenue. Many poor people still have dealers, others have always gone to coffee shops, I mean here in Europe traveling to the Netherlands is a classic for this reason for many people.
I think what the lady on the left said is exactly right. It's not the drug itself, it's who you have to come into contact with to obtain it and then they pressure people into purchasing harder stuff. You know, the criminal element. That's what she was getting at.
Drugs are terrible! "Let's go to the pub".....tf?
Edit: I guess people don't understand my sarcasm, they say drugs are bad but hypocritically drink together at the pub
Yeah but alcohol is not as worse as heroin
@@joeconway9541 true, but for an alcoholic it is.
Tf it ain't!
@@joeconway9541 Alcohol kills 3 million people per year on average...
@@Jay-of8yf fair
Cigarettes are legal, even though they are responsible for more dead than all the other drugs combined... Anyone who wants to take drugs does that, no matter if it's legal or illegal.
Ciggies are bad - yes. However, you don't see people murdering, stabbing and acting psychotically because of it; smokers are screwing only themselves.
On the other hand, alcohol ... Drinking kills more than drugs (not forgetting the anti-social aspects), but drugs are rapidly catching up.
@@smeggyhead1 No, smokers do not only harm themselves, they harm everyone in the room. This is a socially acceptable bodily injury with a death toll. Luckily laws for protection of non-smokers become more and more strict. Hell, a running engine causes less particulate matter than cigarettes.
@@generalsaufenberg4931 As you say, the risks of modern-day 2nd hand smoke is nowhere near what it used to be (and yes it used to be really bad). Many people smoke outdoors because they are considerate, or it is expected of them, or they don't want to stain their homes, or it is in their contract. No smoking at all in substantially enclosed public spaces, so workers can work, and diners can dine, and passengers can be driven, in peace. So while there is a death toll from passive smoking, I suspect it is not quite that of drunken, and high (and long-term induced mental illness), anti-social behaviour (let alone the organised crime that supplies it).
@@smeggyhead1 no, the risk of passive smoking is the same.why? because smokers do not even begin to understand how much damage they cause.
people have been shot dead for far less....parents, poisoning their children are thrown into jail! smokers poison their children, but escape punishment... smoking is negligent homicide, and should be punished as such.. but unfortunately the state is only interested in the tax revenues. so you can continue to smoke, but other drugs are prohibited, because they are not taxed..... th-cam.com/video/ci_6CQ5R558/w-d-xo.html
@@generalsaufenberg4931 "the risk of passive smoking is the same" Can you show evidence for this?
"because smokers do not even begin to understand how much damage they cause" What is the basis for this? Also, could the same be said for drug users? We know those addicted to drugs forgo everything (family, finances, friends) for their next fix and there are plenty of examples of exactly that for both drugs and alcohol; the same cannot be said for ciggies.
As for the "other drugs": they are also smoked/boiled, and residues (gas and powder) are left in apartments, clubs/pubs, and even money.
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Marijuana for ME actually kept me from drinking or doing other drugs. It relaxed me and helped me to focus, so it was never even about "getting high." Also figured why would I snort cocaine or shoot up heroine when I could smoke a joint and read a book or play video games? lol
Billy Bob am I weird that I never had a temptation to try anything? I don't smoke, I don't drink (just one shot for rare occasions like friend's wedding for example, I don't drink systematically). I was offered MJ by a friend and crack at parties. Never actually wanted any of it.
When I was a kid I saw some members of my family shitfaced I think that's why I hate drinking that much, I never want to see myself acting that way. Both my parents used to be smokers, and that never allured me either. Dunno why I never wanted to try drugs.
Some of these questions are subjective. It mostly depends on what kind of drug it is.
Exactly, me too...
Lol same 😂
can i ask how old are you?
Anti-drug lady: "Let's go to the pub!"
Alcohol is a drug by the way, and a devastating one at that.
It is scary how people never see Alcohol as the drug it is.
@@sekkev I know right? Alcoholism is more common than a lot of people think, and it can ruin lives very quick.
@@grahamvandyke A lot of people have a bad connection to alhocol today. Withour being alcoholics. But they are just one step away from it :/
No, alcohol is not a "devastating" drug, it has a high abuse potential, that does not necessarily mean use itself will give a bad result, abuse will.
Weed is only a gateway drug to munchie food. If anything, it's alcohol and tobacco that are the gateway drugs.
Weed absolutely is a gateway drug, it brings you into contact with organized crime, and those lads dont only sell weed. But, legalize everything and that would no longer be the case.
I don't smoke weed myself but I would if it was legal. I always thought calling weed a gateway drug was ridiculous however I have never thought of it from this angle before where the dealer someone is buying weed from might convince someone to try something else.
A smoker for the most part is an ordinary individual who works, contributes to society and lives a normal life. The only difference is when most people at the end of the day want to sit down with a drink, they sit down and smoke some weed. If that person has a bad day, partner left them lost their job maybe, that person would not be in the right frame of mind and when the dealer offers them Heroin, they make a bad decision.
If weed was legal. That person would walk into a warm and welcoming shop where he is most likely on speaking terms with the assistant, he tells the assistant about is bad times and the assistant says "sorry to hear that mate hope things work out for you"
Now this customer who was having a very bad time, instead of going home to inject himself, he goes home, gets high in front of the TV, falls asleep, wakes up the next day feeling a little bit better and not addicted to Heroin.
Weed can be just as dangerous, it can chill you out but it can also make you more agitated and frustrated. Also smoking weed can destroy your lungs.
@@logun6972 Alcohol is much more dangerous yet not only do we tolerate it, we advertise it and here the UK its encouraged almost and apart of the culture.
Ellis Thomas It’s nice for the people that can handle it just like weed. It doesn’t make sense that alcohol is legal and weed isn’t to that much I agree.
@Drew Kangaroo its barely even a drug it's a naturally occurring plant. Its vegan.
@Drew Kangaroo they're not talking about legalising all drugs to the extent that Canada and some North American states have done with weed. They're talking about allowing a drug like Heroin to be made legal for pharmaceutical companies to manufacture so that doctors may be able to use it to help depends of the drug more safely get of it.
Unlike The Cut and Jubilee that get THE MOST horrid creatures to represent fheir views and are very confronting & non open-minded, I'd like to take the time to congratulate LADbible for bringing in mostly okay people into these videos to discuss different topics. Good job.
Legalization is the only answer and the proof is in the pudding. There are places that have decriminalized or legalized drugs and addiction rates and the illnesses that go along with them drop. The same can be seen where needle exchanges are established.
Legalization means the taboo leaves, means more studies can be done on the drugs and addiction itself, and it means that more services will be provided for addicts. Most people who fall to addiction have other issues they need to tackle and are served best through therapy and rehabilitation which cannot take place without accepting that drug use is a part of the human experience.
I fully agree with what you wrote there plus our governments would also tax them meaning that it generates further income for our respective countries, great comment by the way. 👏
@@KingDomsKingdom85 Taxation is theft, just legalize and nothing more.
Now when it comes to needle exchange I know they say "oh the hiv and hepatitis rate is down bc these people get free needles" but those same people throw their dirty needles in the streets like in San Francisco. School children are warned to not walk on piles of leaves in fear they will step on needles.
San Francisco is a disgusting place. They spend millions of dollars giving free needles away along with dispensers for those needles but these addicts do not care where they toss their needles. They are in the streets, alongside businesses and homes. Along with piles of feces bc its not a crime to publicly defacate and urinate in public.
They spend millions of dollars hiring needle clean up crews and cleaning up human poop off their streets as well. So no they are not saving money or saving anyone giving away free needles bc the addicts toss them like cigarettes out a window. Look up American Dystopia on youtube. There is much worse specially on San Francisco if anyone is interested or just look up San Francisco poop or needles.
Decriminalizing all drugs has the potential to turn into that.
"I think it's important that we both respect each others point of view." That is a very strong statement. I wish more people would have that ability. To at least listen and be able to debate why that point of view is wrong.
"Yo let's have people argue about drug legalization and weed being a gateway drug while we have them drink one of the worst drugs and the most definite gateway drug ever."
They appear to have a pint of non alcoholic drink that neither of them barely touched though tbh.
What's with the cheesy reality-TV-style music flourishes? This is a serious subject.
Lol really, the music is unnecessary and borderline annoying.
I agree, its my biggest qualm with this series. I also don't like how they dramatize the last question, drawing out the choice. There was an edit made in this video where one person moved her drink over immediately to "strongly agree" and you can see they cut away from that, and presumably had them stare at each other for a few moments for dramatic effect.
I find it hilarious that the lady who thinks mind-altering drugs should be illegal wants to stay and have another glass of legal ethanol-the most destructive drug known to man! 😹
Exactly legal heroin is worse you dickhead
@@joeconway9541 its really not though alcohol is resposible for more deaths loss of property and productivity than any other substance
@@bigvinnie3 it is also far more readily available than any other substance. As such it will affect more people.
Tyler Saunders just not true tho is it
Tyler Saunders follow up to my previous comment best to have something to back my point up here is why more people die from alcohol (very quick google search have not saved sources will get them again if really needed) 948,000 heroin users in the states divide that by the death count of 46,720 you get 1 death for every 20 people now alcohol which is drunk by 146,389,666 people (taken by the percentage of people that are said to drink 18 and over which us 70% and the population of people of 18 which is 209,128,094) then if you divide that by alcohol related deaths which is 88,000 you get 1 death for every 1,663 that why the numbers are different
I wish they would release an uncut version of these discussions. I feel like they pose the statement, and then no actual worthwhile opinions are shown. The videos are very edited, and not always in a way that is beneficial to advertising the message and opinions of each member
This was a very fair and interesting one. I’d love to hear more from these two women. Excellent work.
It's not a matter of her being right or me being right. It's a matter of me going meta and realizing that what this whole debate is about is about her defending her own personal biases her ego and me defending my personal biases and my ego.
And all that's happening here is we're just clashing our biases together without any kind of higher awareness and that's like a light bulb going up. This is a earth-shattering revelation when you realize this then you go meta on the whole debate and you realize ah i see this is not going to be resolved at the level of defeating her ideas or she defeating my ideas and it doesn't matter who wins this debate because this is all just an ego game.
And then i can look inside of myself and i can realize oh yeah
i can actually use mindfulness to penetrate into my own body become aware of my ego at work inside of me generating this ideology and then defending
it and being closed-minded about it and refusing to look at the situation from a higher perspective.
I can actually feel my body getting
hotter. I can feel myself getting angry or defensive when she's making a good point.
I can also start to notice the various manipulative tricks that her ego is using against me in this debate and then i can notice myself using those tricks against her and i can notice the double standards that i have and i can notice my own biases and i can notice her biases and i can notice the fact that the only reason i'm arguing with her is because i have a certain survival agenda that i'm trying to defend with my ego and i can notice that she's doing the same thing and when all of that is noticed the entire game of this debate collapses.
That would be going meta. Can you see how powerful that is can you see how liberating that is.
You see this is the kind of higher dimensional move that needs to be done to solve this particular war on drugs problem.
If your the type of person who is willing to try heroin, I’ll be damned if you never touched a joint. It should be obvious that the vast majority of heroin users would have experience with weed. That doesn’t signify a causal relationship, they are both correlated with general risk taking behaviour.
I’d actually bet there are more cases of heroin users who have drank alcohol than who have smoked weed
This lady is obsessed with organised crime...saying weed comes from organied crime is very vague as the number of people growing their own few plants in a bedroom or for their friends/families use has skyrocketed in the UK. I have smoked cannabis for 9 years and not once been involved with organised crime nor has it ever led me on to other harder drugs. I mean come on how many people smoke some weed and think 'oh that was nice maybe I'll try heroin next'
Roger Thompson that’s not her point, she’s saying all drugs come from organised crime no matter who you buy it off.Illegal weed will be grown by organised crime no matter how far down the pyramid you receive it
@@krima3825 that's not the reality when it comes to cannabis
@@krima3825 Dude the very comment you are respondind to refutes your point. This man is implying he has the ability to grow his own or grow for him and friends. If you consider a man growing a plant for himself 'Organized Crime' than you are right, but I'd say that is a bit of a stretch. If you just grow and harvest a plant, and boom, you have your very own drug, How the hell is that part of Organized Crime? With cannabis, people have the ability to litterally be the whole 'Pyramid', again, that is not organized crime. What should be considered criminal is to treat these people as felons..
@@marlymcfly1991 it seems you're both missing the mark. Some people grow their weed but others buy off of drug dealers. I've been offered coke and heroine off of people I've bought weed off. Had I been someone else, in a different context, with a better sales pitch, perhaps I'd have bought that instead. It happens a lot, so in that case, weed is a gateway drug.
@@sheadoherty7434 In that case, the drug itself isn't "pushing" you into doing other drugs. It is the people who sell you weed "push" you into doing other drugs. I don't think that when you buy your weed from a coffeeshop (where they don't sell other drugs) that it wil automatically lead a person into doing other drugs.
no dealer has ever said to me, ere mate you been smoking weed a few year now how about you try this smack and see how you get on
yeah exactly its cause some people are pussies who get peer pressured into it
live I've been asked to take a eco (acid) at a gaff one time and a few of me mates had some n I just said nah 😂
I love this, in a world where everyone shouts over each other, these videos promote civilised discussions which I find fascinating
I think before we legalise everything there needs to be a better way to biologically test drugs. There needs to exist a type of parametric test to diagnose anyone at risk etc, There needs to be qualified researchers and professionals growing and supplying( apprenticeship schemes for positive community implications).
Drug legalisation is the only way to go, the scientific evidence is clear on this and it's only growing by the day.
Portugal is a clear example
Hahahahahahahaha oh look at you. All stupid and shit.
M C are you okay buddy?
Am I the only one who is sane and has sense because to me drugs are drugs and they are gonna fuck up your health
Awab Tarik that’s exactly why they should be legalised you doofus
*Perfect example* of how any conversation should go.
In turns with respect for each other. *Love this*
That's an interesting view on weed.
I have to disagree.
I disagree that weed is a gateway drug.
Let me explain.
I started smoking weed at 16 in 09. Passed my GCSE's with flying colours and subsequently got a degree in later years. All while smoking weed daily.
I did a lot of different drugs at Uni... a lot... consistently, but weed wasnt the reason. I always had the idea in my head that uni was the the place to experiment.
In 2017 I then got addicted to Xanax to the point where when I went cold turkey I had to be placed in ICU.
And again the reason wasnt weed. I had just lost a dear friend due to my own fault and then went into depression which of course Xanax would "cure" in the short term.
Now I have a stable job earning well in London. I still smoke weed daily and haven't touched anything since. I can truly say that weed is the reason I haven't touched any other illegal drugs since.
Oh and what gave me the courage to try these other drugs... yeah you guessed it good old liquid confidence.
The real gateway drug is alcohol coupled with bad influences.
Kudos if you read all this bullshit 👌
Lol all to say it didn't happen.
Seen a couple arguments here. Personally Im against legalizing it as that would lead to it being easily accessible to people, and that would ruin many lives. I've also heard the whole Cigs and Alcohol are worse, which isn't statistically true. Sure they kill more each year but the amount of people smoking and drinking are massively higher. Now I hate smoking, it put my mom in a wheelchair but no one smokes just one cigarette in their whole life and dies from it. Where as you can easily OD on hard drugs, even if you only take it the one time.
I loved the civility with which this discussion was carried out 😊
I feel so so bad for the women who lost her two son's. I know how my mother felt, when I was on heroin, and how it would have destroyed her if I'd have died. My prayers are with you sweet lady.
Decriminalise.....
Never
@@nick-her9275 Never what, decriminalise? I would not go as far as legalise, but criminalising it helps nothing
The drug market is the same as any other market, there's a supply and a demand. There is always a demand for drugs therefore there will always be a supply. If there's a legalised market that is regulated the same as other markets then it's much less dangerous and the criminal markets would be easily undercut because of the extra price of illegal drugs caused by the risk involved. Some drugs like Heroin are harmless in reasonable doses if it's a clean supply and those can very easily have the same sort of regulation as over the counter drugs. On the other hand some drugs like cocaine are inherently harmful and should never be consumed and in cases like that possession should be legal so addicts feel safe getting help (which would reduce the demand) while suppliers stay criminal.
I always feel like this argument comes from whether you've had a family member be an addict or have someone close to them be an addict. Still makes me cry a bit to know that my cousin is dead and i'll never see him at a family reunion ever again.
Mad
has any episode of this series ended with the other person moving the drink to "strongly disagree" when asked if they'd have another drink with the person?
Love how respectful and kind they were to each other. These kind of episodes are the best
Jesus Christ, losing 2 children to anything.... Couldn’t even comprehend that as a parent!
"how can you be sure".. You can't, but what we're doing now is 100% not working, so ffs try something new
Grant Hucklebottom very good point
I would've said you're talking about the exceptions, the outliers...there's those for every substance...some people are allergic to peanuts...she was completely deaf when the other lady said that most families are not devastated by drugs/most people do them non-problematically, as she just basically replied well my family was devastated so fuck everybody else's rights and freedoms
When she said that she effectively argued for legalisation without realising. “How can you be sure” right, nobody really knows what they’re buying, what the dose is, how they’ll react etc. So instead of that, we should legalise and regulate it, vastly reducing the harm caused. Portugal have seen massive drops in overdoses, drug addiction, and drug related crime. Whilst our drug overdose rates are going up every year. Saying criminalisation is better is insane.
Just a chance it makes things worse that is all, I think that is what they should do but I dont expect much to change as I have no trust in our government.
MBaz ! The evidence is clear, criminalisation doesn’t work. drug use, drug overdose, and drug addiction rates go up every year in the UK. Portugal are seeing declining rates in all of them because every aspect of their legalisation policy is safer.
I'm a very anti drug person I hate drugs of any kind but the key to reducing drug related deaths is to decriminise them. They decriminalised all drugs in Portugal and heroin usage has went down by well over 3 times, drug gangs have been fizzled out, non drug related crime rate has plummeted and drug related deaths have gone down to an almost non existence level. This is the key people, this is who we get rid of these terrible gangs,this is how we stop families from being destroyed.
This is so sad but necessary
We all learn ( human nature) by good and bad
Those poor Mums. I really feel for them and my heart goes out!
I just want to give them both a big hug!
This is difficult subject, because from one side drugs, like heroin or cocaine is one way road to ruin your life, but from another point of view alcohol kills 3 million each year. So does tobacco.
I think people use drugs to run from theirs problems or to escape from boredom. So it ll be smarter to focus on improving quality of living and education about drugs, so people wont use them as "escape"
Farmisutical drugs are no different to that of street drugs. They are all drugs. It is the culture and system of delivery that's the issue. Being able to control such drugs through a safer pipeline is safer to that of a crime pipeline.
Well, depending on the type of drug, street-level drugs are far more dangerous than pharmaceutical ones.
Take heroin for example. Usually when you buy street heroin, it's practically impossible to get "100% clean heroin", because alot of dealers *cut* their drugs with addatives. Sometimes it's harmless (a common addative ingredient being glucose powder, which is harmless), but sometimes they cut their drugs with even heavier drugs (fentanyl is 50x times stronger than heroin, and 100x times stronger than morphine. Dealers often add this to heroin because it gets their customers even more addicted to their mix, which increases profit.)
And other times they add just straight up dangerous chemicals to the mix. Because if you take 1 gram of heroin powder, and mix it with 2grams of some bullshit detergent or whatever, you suddenly have 3 grams of "heroin" that you can sell, tripling the profit.
If sold from a pharmacy, the heroin would not be cut with surprise stronger drugs, or other shit just to push profit.
And some people that buy drugs regularly from a dealer might one day get a mix that is stronger than they usually buy. But since there is no way to tell, they might just think it's the usual stuff they always buy, take a "normal" dose of it, and die because this time around the stuff they bought happened to be uncut, and super potent. If bought from a pharmacy you would be able to tell exactly how strong it is, and be sure that no shady stuff has been added.
Prescribed heroin. Seems legit
Methadone, it's a real thing - helps addicts wean themselves off
it would help them ween off
Like alcohol, cigarettes,sugar snacks,fast cars 🧐
Heroin = diacetylmorphine. Codeine = methylmorphine.
If there's presribed codeine, there could also be prescribed heroin. It's all a matter of dosage and frequency of use.
Heroin is morphine its just cut with other shit unless your getting a drip from a hospitial 99% of the tim
Look at Portugal for the answer
EXACTLY!! i think they decriminalised it but after that, usage dropped significantly as it was focused more on rehabilitation rather than punishment like we have here in the UK
they indeed did that but at the same time they reinforced and improved health care and education system and education in general, so if we legalized drugs in other country without improving education and health of that country, that country would fall apart in no time
@@somethingsomewhere66 true but the statement still applies. I'm not saying "look at Portugal" just to legalise but to also learn from all the other stuff you've pointed out too. It's a nuanced and complex problem and it seems Portugal have provided the framework for a 360 response to the problem
@@timdurgan oh, ok, the the problem is that I saw a lot of people in the comments trying to legalise drugs just for it to be easier for them to take it, they don't care about society.
I dont care what you say, weed is not a "gateway" drug. People do harder stuff cause they want to, weed is not the problem
Listen. Not all drugs should be legal. Stuff like psychedelics and prescribed grade-As should be legal
The argument of "Every bodies body reacts differently" is completely redundant. You could say the exact same thing about Alcohol or Cigarettes, some people have smoked for 60 years with no illnesses and some die at the age of 30 after 9 months.. The fact people still actually think that drugs should be illegal after ALL THESE YEARS OF WASTED RESOURCES absolutely astounds me..
"can drugs help with psychological trauma" *proceed to ignore psychedelics*
I'm ok with it being decriminalized, but must have some strict regulations. One reason why it is illegal is because of the physical and financial harm it can does to individuals and families. The responsibility of the gov is to protect its citizens. I think if one is willing to educate themselves about all harmful effects, addiction, potential consequences of over consumption, responsibility, etc., then one could obtain a license to use the drug. The problem is that so many are naive and taken advantage of. To just decriminalize it and let people take it if they want isn't freedom. Freedom is having a full knowledge first then being allowed to make a decision based on that. Otherwise, you are only being deceived and coerced by others having very limited knowledge. Those opposed to decriminilazation arent fully aware of the benefits some drugs might have either. The blindly oppose them because that's what they're church, parents, society, etc. has told them.
My heart breaks for these two.
"Lets go to the pub" to do what? Drink drugs? Hypocrite
Caddigoorie
Heroin and Meth are far too addictive for the general public, the other drugs are debatable for legalisation. For anyone addicted to the said drugs, perhaps a gov funded rehabilitation center for 90 days is a better solution than purifying and making cheaper and more accessible the drug they’re addicted to....
These deserve more views
Wow. I had to stop when the lady said “it’s a gateway drug cuz dealers eventually persuade you to move on to harder drugs” (or something to that effect) really? I’ve never had a weed guy tell me “ya not bored of weed yet? Go oooon, try some heroin. It’s much better and I’ll make more money....”
She’s living a la-la land 😂🤣
Most people in the comments are druggie enablers who listen to Lil Peep
Drug addicts only harming themselves should never be put in prison. But those who hurt others should be punished then helped and rehabilitated
Medication Assisted Treatment (Methadone 4 years clean) i would be dead. Hell I almost died when. I started getting clean
Never been smoking my blunt and thought oh uno what I’m gonna try heroin now
Fr I'm just thinking damn....I'm high
I just want to hug them both... they remind me of my dead great grandmother
we are just kids. when you make things taboo, you make them more desirable. when you tone it down a bit, you will notice that people are not that curious anymore. see examples from countries like Portugal or the Netherlands.
You should do a 3 way conversation, instead of just having two sides it would be cool if you added a third person so there could be a neutral perspective at the table!?!?!
Good point
That's what the comment section is for bud
I sort of think it should be addicts in recovery answering these questions.....how can you answer the question of whether weed is a gateway to addiction to other drugs when you've never been addicted? As an addict in recovery I feel there is no one gateway drug. Yes everyone has a drug they started with (that becomes their personal gateway drug), be it weed or alcohol - very few start right off the bat with heroin or meth etc. But what about the gateway to the first substance you try? We could argue that peer pressure is the gateway drug. Or societal pressure that "everyone drinks." I happen to be of the belief that my traumatic upbringing led me to alcohol. I drank as innocently as everyone else at first......until I realized it helped numb the pain of my trauma, and then I couldn't get enough. Only then did my usage become problematic and eventually turn into cocaine use also. Perhaps if I hadn't grown up being abused I wouldn't have felt the need to use alcohol excessively, perhaps there wouldn't have been that terrible pain that I realized could be numbed. Anyway, that's just the lens I see through as someone who has lived addiction. And I do agree that drugs should be decriminalized - addicts treated as humans that are sick and need help rather than trash to lock in a cage. That approach clearly isn't helping anyone.
I think legalizing recreational cocaine, heroin, meth or any strong drugs would be very dangerous. Perhaps if there were still somewhat controlled, like needing a prescription? What kind of doctor would willingly write out your prescription for heroin? I think overdosing would be much more common, and that’s scary af. Weed should be legal.
Generally with heroin overdoses are accidental, most regular users know how much they need to get where they're going. Deaths tend to happen when a batch of heroin that is much stronger than the usual grade hits the streets and by taking their normal, everyday dosage of this stronger stuff it can end up killing them. Morphine as used in hospitals for pain relief is very similar to heroin (both opiates) but because it is very strongly regulated in its production in terms of strength a doctor can easily administer safe doses based on body weight and other criteria for pain relief whereas if they tried to do the same with street heroin it would be very easy to accidentally kill someone simply because the strength was unknown.
I do completely agree that being able to stroll down to your local pharmacist and freely buy things like coke, meth and heroin wouldn't be a good thing but controlling the production and distribution would solve a lot of the inherent dangers and criminal industries associated with hard drugs. These things are already illegal but it's not stopping people getting hold of and using them so it could be seen at the very least to be damage limitation.
Why? if you want them you can get them now and laws aren't changing anything. So what's the difference if it's safer and quality assured
Legalize it.💯
Weed is only a gateway drug, only depending on the person. I smoked weed from the age of 13-19. I’m now 21, I never ever tried any other drug. I have never even be a smoker or drinker.
And I didn’t smoke weed till I was 15 and ended up trying quite a few drugs. So I agree homie
Addictiuon is starting to be recognized. Finally. THANK FULLY I think we are undergoing a SHIFT. Let's SEE what happens . . .. . ...
The answer is to decriminalize all drugs and legalise the safer ones.
yeah, that's never gonna happen.
“He died because of a heroin overdose, we should legalise it”
They will always want more heroine, they don’t want the effects to wear off so once it does and the pharmaceutical doesn’t give them more they’ll go straight back to the street dealer
How can you be sure it would work?
Netherlands
Portugal
Spain
USA
Uruguay
Mexico
Canada
Decriminalisation works the only ones that don’t seem to understand are us in the uk and Asia and it’s all because of racist legislation
We still have not gotten over the war on drugs mentality in the us. It's better, but not gone yet
You do realize it's still illegal to have drugs in the US, yes there are some states that have legalize weed, but not all have.
@@Sound_Spark still illegal because our politicians framed it as a war instead of a health crisis
I've never had my weed dealers offer me stronger drugs, if they've asked y'all I'd probably stop buying from them because they might lace it
These episodes are the better ones. Ones where they can listen to each other because all they really want to do is spend information and not get in an argument. These two clearly respect each other’s opinion which makes it much easier to watch
Two brave, smart women. A fantastic discussion. Great points from both sides. Hopefully we'll come to a promising compromise one day.
Legal or illegal, if people want them, they will get them.
By making them legal and easily accessible, it can potentially stop so much misery.
From my own experience, I was used as an ATM, trafficked as a very young child, to procure money for another person's drug habit.
If these drugs were legal and easily available I might have had a very different childhood.
And that's just one aspect.
My own brother died of a heroin overdose. In a way, I've lived both sides of the tragedy. I still think drugs should be legalized.
I’m 14 with no job. I bought 11 vapes yesterday. Only 3 months ago I tried it once, because once wont hurt your lungs or get you addicted right? Cut to me, 3 months later. GPA dropped from 4 to 2.5. Smoking thousands of cigarettes worth of nicotine per day, stressed, depressed, and in trouble with parents. I’m not here to tell you what to or not to do with drugs, just to show you what they can do.
All i can say is all drugs should be DECRIMANALISED. The effect it would have would be so beneficial its crazy, stops all dirty crackheads using in the streets. And weed just lol, i cant even begin to comprehend how we got to a point of making it illegal in the first place. But its all about control and thats why it aint gonna change 🙃
Two very nice old ladies that have been through a lot nd respect each other's views. We could learn a thing or two from them.
I think alcohol is the gateway drug, from my experience..It’s alcohol that opens to door to try and take drugs that under a clear mind wouldn’t of been tried..
living is the true gateway drug. Just by being alive you will at one point in your life be around or offered a chance to do drugs.
define drug ? i take armodafinil, Modafinil, sometimes coke/amf to stay awake and work in society, Got Hypersomnia, without it, i wouldn't be able to stay awake for long hours(5+hours) i would say it made my family better that i could attend events without fallen asleep.
Weed is NOT a gateway drug
I think drugs should be legalised for the following reasons.
1. Hit the crinimals were it hurts the wallet. You are destroying the single biggest source of their income.
2. If drugs are legalised their production sale and useage can be policed and highly regulated.
3. Save a huge amount of money in enforcement.
4. If you keep repeating something and it does not work you should not be repeating it.
5. Users can have a safe place to use and in a place where they can use without harm or problems to anyone else.
6. Use would and should be highly regulated. Same as alcohol age ID hours of sale not permitted only buy in certain places.
7. Freeing up the resources and personnel of the justice system. Why not go after and imprison violent crinimals instead of drug users.
I dont think that particular notion, because weed is used by organized crime, that it automatically makes it a "gateway" drug. A gateway drug, in this respect, would be something that after using, opens up your interest to do *harder* drugs, and for 99% of people, that does NOT happen. In fact weed now, more than methadone, is being used to ween people of harder drugs. I ONLY smoke weed. Ive never done anything harder, and ive wanted to, but not because of weed, but because i lived with depression for a long time and just really had a miserable existence. The only other drugs ive ever been tempted to do are psychedelics, and that too, is not because i smoke weed, but simply stems from people who use them, talk about them, even the terrifying stories haha.
I don't think drugs are dangerous, i think it's the reason you take them that can become very dangerous. If you're using any drug as a coping mechanism to escape your problems, you will never address the problem and an addiction is just extra baggage. The problem is we trick ourselves as to why were taking them sometimes, and we're not told why or how to take them responsibly, we're socially just fed fear and made to ostracise addicts. Judging an addict can be just as painful as removing their drug supply,and it adds more fuel to the fire.
It reminds me of the Vietnam war. The US government were terrified about the epidemic of soldiers taking heroin to numb the trauma of war, they thought when they came back to the US they would have a huge drug problem in the country, but when the soldiers came back, most stopped using straight away, partly because they were not in the terrors of war, and also because they had a loving family/support network to come back to. This was the very event that completely shook up the argument of addiction.
They tested mice (or rats, i think the experiment was called "mouse/rat city/park"?). Their previous model of addiction was based on putting a mouse in a cage with a bottle of water and food, and a bottle of cocaine water. The mouse would start to only drink the cocaine water, until it died. After Vietnam, someone redid the experiment, but instead of a single mouse in a cage with the water bottles, it was lots of mice, and toys, they could play, have sex etc. Some became addicted and died, but most stopped drinking the cocaine water after trying it and enjoyed being with the other mice more than the drug.
The mouse in the first experiment was drinking the cocaine water because he didn't want to be in the cage alone.
I am not in anyway saying that these mothers were not loving or supportive of their children, they obviously were. Addicts are people who have been conditioned by society to feel shame, which makes them want to hide their problem. We need more education on what drugs do, and how to take them responsibly before we even think about legalising them.
The way they said they would go for another drink with each other was scary for me to hear, because alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs there is, if discovered today it would be a class A illegal drug no doubt.
Cannabis is a gateway drug? I find the concept of a gateway drug silly. What does it mean? Leads to harder drugs? Hmm, but the first social drug I used was caffeine, then I tried codeine, then cannabis, bunch of other things, then alcohol, became a heroin addict, started smoking. What was the gateway to opiates? Caffeine? BTW, I am clean now, I have my caffeine. I have my e-cig and I enjoy vaping cannabis at the weekend, rather than drinking. Maybe occasionally have a drink at a social event, avoid other drugs
I love this series but this has to be by far the worst installment. You have two old people talking about how drugs hurt their families. If they didn’t put “pro” and “anti” by their faces o wouldn’t have been able to tell the difference. Also, like another person previously stated, those same people that criminalize weed would then go drive to a bar to have beers or shots while smoking a cigarette. It’s really one of the dumbest arguments. Weed, like cigarettes and alcohol, should be legalized but regulated to ensure people w/ a mind capable of making those “adult” decisions has a reputable place to purchase said drug.
All i gotta say is this. Legal drugs: alcohol and cigarettes. GG but weed is illegal im out with humans stupidity if i actually have to explain why its stupid and hypocritical to allow alcohol and cigarettes but shit like weed is illegal... Sure the logics all there alcohol and cigarettes kill people yearly *LEGALLY* last time someone died to weed? Oh ja never happened
Weed isn't a gateway drug any more than cigarettes, alcohol, and food are. Millions smoke weed who have not and will not use hard drugs. It's not something that is addictive, that makes you want a better high. The only connection it has to hard drugs is the fact that it's prohibition put it in the black market along side them. Yes most hard drug uses do or have smoked weed. But most of them also smoke cigarettes and or drink alcohol. But just as most hard drug users have done 2 or 3 of those things the overwhelming majority of weed, tobacco users and alcohol drinkers don't do hard drugs and never will. Here in the US numerous states have fully legalized weed. More did so this past election. But of the states who have.. none have seen a connected increase in hard drug use. Infact in some studies it's shown that where weed is legally avalible. Particularly for medical use opoid painkiller abuse and overdose have seen a more than 20% decrease. And it also is being used to help addicts in recovery get through the withdrawal as they get clean. Making it easier and less painful.
All usage of current illicit drugs should be decriminalised forthwith; subsequently,they are almost worthless, with the sole exception to the sadly addicted users, who should be compulsorily treated.
As with tobacco, these drugs should thus be eliminated over the medium term.
Society has a duty of care to all people. Society commonly fails.
On the topic of weed as a gateway drug, the only reason I feel that it is that way is because it’s so harmless that people feel they’ve been lied to about other drugs and want to try them too. I myself wasn’t interested in trying anything until I started smoking weed and realized I had been misinformed about the effects of drugs, but I’m glad that I had the self control to limit myself to trying psychedelics (I refuse to try pills, had one bad experience with coke, and anything else is out of the question). We need to legalize drugs like weed to prevent people from being misinformed about the dangers of “real” drugs
IF alcohol and drugs are legal , all drugs should be legal . Other drugs should be used With respect just like we use alcohol . For example , not use drugs when we drive the car , outside in public , around kids. Legal AGE should be 21 .
In my opinion alcohol and weed should be legal. I agree alcohol can be quite dangerous, but I don't think it is on the same level as other drugs. I keep seeing people in the comments argue how if alcohol is legalized then all drugs should be legalized and I just feel like it's a false equivalency. The main reason we have large quantities of damage done by alcohol is because it is readily available but what if heroin was readily available for recreational use. I think looking at damage done by looking at quantity is not accurate, but I reccomend to look to see the rate of damage caused by the use of heroin. It is significantly higher than that of alcohol and that's including deaths. The fact is that drugs have different addiction rates and even if moderated by pharmaceutical services it can get out of hand ESPECIALLY if used recreationally. If it is used to in a medical stand point where it is an absolute necessity then it's a different situation. However, with that being said I do no believe all drugs should be criminalized, instead I think people suffering from addiction should get help and not thrown in jail. I think the legalization of all drugs can lead to a serious issue that we are not prepared to handle at the moment.
I wish my dealer would've offered me other drugs. Coke and heroin just aren't that popular where i live, but LSD would've been fun.
Weed isn't a gateway drug. First of all, most weed dealers aren't also heroin dealers. Secondly, most of the time people use hard drugs for the first time because someone they are close to introduces it to them, not a dealer. It is usually a friend or significant other. Saying weed is a gateway drug is like saying alcohol is a gateway drug. It's just not true. People who use hard drugs would have used them regardless of whether or not they tried weed first. It's not as if your likelihood of becoming a drug addict increases if you smoke weed. That's just not how addiction happens. That's not how it works.