Is Re-Gearing & Upgrading Brakes Worth It? We Test It On Our Jeep Wrangler JLU Rubicon!

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  • I don't really know, you tell us!
    We thought it was interesting that both our gas light and Michael's gas light came on at the same time, despite refueling together, him having 5.13s, us having several hundred pounds more weight, and him drafting us the entire time we were on the highway. Obviously inner city driving will help to make the re-gearing shine, but it looks like highway driving is pretty negligible.
    As for the Alcon brakes....I think they speak for themselves in the video.
    Hope you guys enjoy it!
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  • @georgegrimes4937
    @georgegrimes4937 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for doing a video on the need for bigger brakes with jeep mods. Lifts change design angle weight and tire size are huge factors in needing up graded brakes. I recently up graded my brakes it really should have been the first mod. Please continue to push this point. I've been a fan of your videos from the beginning now this platform could save lives by making jeep owners aware of this major need. Plus they are awesome off road!!

  • @claudeperrault4164
    @claudeperrault4164 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great informative video! Kevin, 👍 for helping the lady changing her tire. You raised a great point about carrying a proper jack to change a tire, specially with a raised Jeep. I am going to see to that today! Thanks you guys for another great video.

  • @robertmarez3195
    @robertmarez3195 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video...very informative and wonderful cuz of real world driving....can't believe the different stopping distance...Jelly was crashed..hard day for her 😀...as always wonderful and looking forward to your next video......definitely something to look into...the brakes will help you out alot.......Safe travels

  • @prodigalfound9557
    @prodigalfound9557 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video very informal. Love watching the fun ya'll have. Be safe ad always and send it.

  • @tfrye008
    @tfrye008 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Aw man. What a bummer he was creeping. Love Truck Night! Lol. Great video. Amazing brakes on Rubitron.

  • @danielcdebaca7675
    @danielcdebaca7675 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was cool to see, real world testing! Yup my 01-7.3, F350 4x4 dually has 410's it was the only way I could get a posy rear axle! didn't wanna get stuck with my overhead camper loaded up in the mountains... MPG drops over 65 an up...( braking test! ) I'm runnin' 35" AT's on my 2012 JKU and I would really like to upgrade my brakes now more than ever! after seeing the difference! WOW!!! GREAT VIDEO!!! BIG THANKS TO YA!!!
    PS. I got my NX Bestop last week, thanks for the $150.00 discount you saved me LiteBrite :)

  • @dougyankunas3104
    @dougyankunas3104 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My Jeep wj came with 3:55 and 29” tires. I’m now on 35’s and 4:56 . Using gear and tire calculations, this combo put me right back to stock performance. I see lifted mall crawlers all the time On huge tires. When I ask “people what gears are you running with those _______?” I get all sorts of responses. I even had people say,” I don’t mess with the engine , so it’s still stock” WTf lmao 😂

  • @SheddingSkinTattoos
    @SheddingSkinTattoos 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I put 4:88 gears and the Mopar big brake kit on my 16' JK running 37" Mickey Thompson Baja P3's and a 3.5" Metalcloak lift and they both made a huge difference! They made it way more fun to drive too. The Superchips tuner I got for it helped too. You can change the pedal response with the Superchips tuner so that alone makes a huge difference with the JK. Plus all of the different tunes it has. Awesome Jeeps tho guys! Keep up the vids!

  • @jeffro8373
    @jeffro8373 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great job with the video, thanks for sharing

  • @RyanRKJ
    @RyanRKJ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This channel is insane. So many upgrades. So much wheeling. So many new toys.

  • @Bennett-xo6iu
    @Bennett-xo6iu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im soooo pumped up.. We leave at noon tomorrow 3/7/19 and are headed to Colorado springs cant wait to see all the awsome things out there and hopefully get to go play at the ram offroad park going to be a blast.. Thanks for the inspiration to get out there and do things... 😁😁👍👍😁😁

  • @ww2069
    @ww2069 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    YES YES YES with a lot of go you need a lot of whoo!!! AKA stoping power lol and gears ??? Good vid! Love it

  • @pattyariss007
    @pattyariss007 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was cool to see the RUBICON is AWESOME !!Great Job guys 🆒️😅

  • @simonjclark74
    @simonjclark74 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    4.88 gears and a Crown Big Brake conversation with the Mopar upgraded brake booster were two of the best mods I did to my JK

  • @elchile007
    @elchile007 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You guys are the best. All my questions you answered on your vids.

  • @hectorserrano7703
    @hectorserrano7703 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Lol call AAA if you need a tire change. I figured the 5.13 gears would pull harder. And big brakes are a must. Great video as usual.

  • @jimschmidt4089
    @jimschmidt4089 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great info! Love the real life aspect you guys deliver. I've wondered the same thing as my build gets heavier and better equipped for trails. As you pointed out I may need to address the stopping power for all the weight.
    Great video guys.

  • @jschmadeke4life
    @jschmadeke4life 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Always enjoy your videos

  • @lesszabo5625
    @lesszabo5625 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Cool video, really like the real world testing. Rubitron is one awesome jl. Definitely upgrade your brakes if you're adding power. Me, I'm getting ready to install a supercharger, woohoo!

  • @howiekearney
    @howiekearney 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your use of the word"Informational"!! 😁 Great videos! Keep em coming!

  • @apexpredator_jku
    @apexpredator_jku 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Road Armor fenders on Rubitron look clean AF! Smoothed out body lines & no Dumbo look with full flares w/ stubby.

  • @lonniet.2816
    @lonniet.2816 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice video! Wow those brakes!!

  • @jimm659
    @jimm659 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So youre getting a polaris rzr and a supercharger. Cool, cant wait for the vids.

  • @biz4twobiz463
    @biz4twobiz463 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    gears are super important, but ONLY if you program the PCM or ECU with the correct gearing. Also, that holds true for the tire size. Not for engine rpm's, but for the transmission shift points. Otherwise, you run the risk of blowing the transmission. Plus, if your PCM or ECU is not properly programmed for tire size, then the odometer and speedometer readings will be off due to the singe rotation difference.

    • @casey3057
      @casey3057 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      biz4two biz4 on the JL and the JK if you don’t reprogram when you do gears the Jeep won’t even move

    • @biz4twobiz463
      @biz4twobiz463 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@boughtnotbuiltoffroad7784 ... thank you for the reply. I didn't realize you were using the Tazer JL. Very nice!!

  • @narssasisticasshole3255
    @narssasisticasshole3255 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Informative!

  • @Bennett-xo6iu
    @Bennett-xo6iu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you dont wanna do gears yet and your wanting a little better acceleration torque and gas mileage i recommend a cold air intake throttle body spacer and programmer.. I put that on my 2002 ford ranger with the 4.0v6 and it made a huge difference you can feel.. Plus the programmer allows you change tire size so your Speedo is correct... This is no joke i went from 18mpg to 25.5 i thought that was a damn good increase.. Love the videos keep them comin maybe we will see a upgrade on some of that soon hopefully lol... Be safe out there guys...👍👍😁😁👍👍

  • @dougharlow6037
    @dougharlow6037 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I would say the gearing has more to do with performance off road. Lot less strain on drive line

  • @seXtra
    @seXtra 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was a really nice thing y’all did stopping to help that lady.
    Some 2x12s cut into squares for your bottle jack may do the trick. I’m going to do this for my Power Wagon. Nearly a foot under the differential makes tire changes sketchy.

  • @Dfts83
    @Dfts83 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My Sister and I couldn't start drives ed until we knew how to change a tire, check the fluids and how to shift.

  • @brisonpalmer6730
    @brisonpalmer6730 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome real world testing. I have an 06 LJ Rubi on 35's with 4.10 and 6 speed and I plan to go to 37's so I will probably have to go to 5.13's but for sure I need more brakes my stock brakes suck!!!!!

  • @arlannielsen6787
    @arlannielsen6787 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interestingl liked the brake test the best

  • @kensnyder2340
    @kensnyder2340 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I used to do a fair amount of drag racing and it's hard to beat higher ( 4.10) gears from a roll if your engine will pull the vehicle. From a dead stop (5.13) ratio would be an edge. I'm surprised though that the (4.10) gears still work so well with a 38" tire. Which in fact shows how good an all around ratio the (4.10) really is. I think the 40" tires will kill it and a re gear will become more important......enter super or turbocharger!! Fun stuff!

  • @leejarvie1836
    @leejarvie1836 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The biggest benefit on the highway to any gears is to keep the engine running in the band that's most efficient. Changing tires often makes the engine lug more and makes it less efficient, re gearing can bring it back inline. All engines have a sweet spot where they do their best. most people don't re gear for highway, they re gear for off road and deal with other areas of lowered performance. Also, stop trying to beat ABS, it'll stop quicker than you can. :) Also, get trailer brakes.

  • @MichaelKouable
    @MichaelKouable 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing video guys! Very informative and fun. Never thought the difference was THAT dramatic.
    Oh and one more thing guys, can you make a torque difference test with both jeeps? Like a standstill drag race or on an incline just to see the good side of running 5.13s
    Cheers :D

  • @jP-nw7nm
    @jP-nw7nm 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This vid is awesome 👏🏼

  • @Rocscrawler
    @Rocscrawler 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    When they added ABS brakes to our CHP patrol vehicles, they took us out and taught us to NOT modulate the brake pedal to prevent the ABS system from doing it's job. You were only using 70-80% of your stopping power if you were feathering the brake pedal to "stay out of the anti-lock system" like I think you said. In a vehicle that has ABS, you put the pedal to the floor and ignore the pulsing, grinding, kick back of the pedal and everything else that happens with ABS. Do another test on your own. On a back street with NO traffic, stop with YOUR way of feathering. Do the same thing with PEDAL TO THE FLOOR and measure the difference. You did yourself an injustice by feathering the pedal. That being said, YES you do need to upgrade your brakes with 38's. BIG TIME!!! I am on 37's and LOVE my Dynatrac ProGrip 4 wheel brake upgrade system. It stops better than my wifes stock 2 door with 33's.

    • @JsGarage
      @JsGarage 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Kevin Williams Modulating the brake pedal when equipped with ABS doesn’t make stopping distances shorter it makes them longer. It’s not an argument of ABS vs non ABS it’s about you confusing the ABS system on the vehicle by modulating brakes in this type of test. If you have ABS you just mash the pedal for quickest stop. It’s like this by design. Don’t let your experience with non ABS vehicles blind you. This is especially true if your vehicle is sliding on snow or ice you don’t pump/modulate ABS brakes it actually makes them less effective. Try for yourself though don’t take my word for it.

    • @JsGarage
      @JsGarage 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Kevin Williams I am familiar with what you mean about threshold braking. Threshold braking is for non ABS brakes and it is the practice of not mashing the brakes and optimally stopping on the verge of traction. In this case with ABS I’m suggesting you didn’t do your stopping distance any favors with this technique. If you didn’t get a little bit of ABS reaction I’d assume the brakes weren’t used to their capacity. Every ABS vehicle I’ve ever driven stops faster by using constant force. Only time I modulate is normal slowing down but I don’t need everything from the brakes then. I drove non-ABS vehicles for years and I get that you formed a habit but that doesn't mean it's right for the situation. Hopefully in an emergency you just mash the brakes. Either way the brake upgrade will be a very good idea. If you think you’re doing right then by all means brother keep on doing you. Give the two a try though. ✌️

    • @Rocscrawler
      @Rocscrawler 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Kevin, Watch your video. RUBITRON'S braking system has not locked his tires. It has brought the system to the MAXIMUM BRAKING EFFICIENCY and maintained it there. That is why you hear his tires starting to make noise against the asphalt. They are still rotating and steering. The MAXIMUM braking power occurs just before the tires lock up. It is the job of the ABS to bring each tire INDIVIDUALLY to that point and prevent the brake pedal from placing any more pressure on the pads causing lock up and loss of control. IF you are applying just enough pressure to stop your vehicle without getting to the point of ALMOST locking up the tires, then there is still some stopping power left in your system. To do a FAIR COMPARISON, you need to allow your ABS system to do it's job and THEN COMPARE!! You are giving yourself too much credit for your ability to out perform the ABS system which modulates each brake individually with your foot pressure on ONE PEDAL. You still had more braking power left vs. if you had let the ABS do it's job. Believe me, I have seen the difference from an EXPERTS trying to out think the ABS system and letting the system do the job it does so very well. TEST IT SOLO with just your vehicle and another video..

    • @Rocscrawler
      @Rocscrawler 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Kevin, Scenario: You are in a race going through a long sweeping right hand turn. Your vehicle is leaning to the left and loading more weight on the left tires and less weight on the right due to the physics of the turn. How are you going to make a maximum breaking application with only one pedal that you can push. All you can do is press/feather it enough to NOT lock up the right tires. Correct? The ABS system monitors each of the 4 tires individually and allows enough brake fluid pressure to get to the pistons of the caliper and bring it to the brink of locking up but not beyond. Each tire should be starting to lock up and then releasing, locking up and releasing approx. 20 times per second. There is no way that a vehicle which has ABS braking system can stop faster with someone feathering the brakes to prevent the ABS from kicking in, vs allowing the ABS system to work as designed. I realize that you have extensive racing experience without ABS and with ABS, but you obviously have not had the experience of having an ABS expert show you (prove to you) how dangerous an extra 20-30 feet of stopping distance in a panic stop can be. Please, for the safety of your subscribers, do a video comparison on Step Child so the people who follow your channel can make up their own mind whether they are going to feather their brakes and emulate you, or they are going to allow the ABS system do it's job.

    • @eddyl8566
      @eddyl8566 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Rocscrawler If you look up Threshold braking, it's supposed to be a better braking method than letting your ABS kicks in, provide. you know you car/brake/tires enough to max. out it's braking ability. I was able to do that pretty well when I was pushed braking to it's limit when I had my STi & Carrera with summer tires, but not so much with my Jeep JLU so far.

  • @mikehoffman3690
    @mikehoffman3690 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not convinced regearing is an absolute must, BUT bigger brakes is definitely needed once you go with larger tires. Looking forward to the trailer reveal.

  • @Wesshimself
    @Wesshimself 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Haha that was an awesome video you guys just know how to keep it real

  • @CasperRc81
    @CasperRc81 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Cool test, but maybe the benefits would be hauling around a trailer boat etc and hill pulls. If your guys in Az heading out Payson pull your test up the long hill going along side the rim that would be interesting. As much travel you guys do I’m sure you come up on a lot of hills. Also would his pinion gear be weaker do to a smaller teeth count? Like you said about his four low try swapping vehicles out over the same object and see if Kevin thinks it’s a benefit.

  • @52photoman
    @52photoman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not to minimize your test at all. I had the same concern and went with the Terraflex kit with awesome results also. Don't know the comparison between the 2 manufacturers but I can say this, find the one that works for you because my JK can stop better than most cars as well! Thanks for the great information!
    Rgds,
    Kent

  • @Mcscott67
    @Mcscott67 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Soft tops are lighter than hard tops, so... there's that too.

  • @WranglerAddiction
    @WranglerAddiction 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really cool video

  • @samwalker3441
    @samwalker3441 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome, Kev. Thanks.

    • @samwalker3441
      @samwalker3441 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For us nerdy people, the difference ended up being about 1.2 MPG between the two rigs. Interesting that the gas lights came on at the same time for both rigs w/ 1.3 gallons difference in tank level. Good stuff, you guys.

  • @insaneTrout
    @insaneTrout 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Like others said that soft top is lighter than the hard top BUT it also offers better aerodynamics since it is sloped at the back there is going to be less turbulent drag behind the soft top jeep vs the hard top. weight difference from lack of passengers and gear etc. etc. All of the little things add up.

  • @onawhim7737
    @onawhim7737 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good stuff! Thanks...

  • @NoSURBE
    @NoSURBE 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Its probably been said, but the gear comparison sounds just right for your outcome. The weight of Stepchild probably is what scrubbed the mileage and acceleration (at speed) compared to Pepe. I was hoping to see a drag race as I’m sure Pepe would walk it easy. Pound for pound, Stepchild would get better mileage and top speed with 4:10s and Pepe would have better off the line and torque. More power & acceleration = more gear, better mileage & speed = less gear. The weight is what balanced it out, since Jumping from 4:10 to 5:13 isn’t that super big of a jump.

  • @wcjeep
    @wcjeep 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bottle Jack is great for carrying around for Jeep tire problems. Plenty strong and tall units available. Skip the Hilift for the new Arb trail Jack if budget allows. Always opt for trailer brakes. Surge brakes are ok. Go for actual electric brakes. Tekonsha Prodigy RF wireless brake controller was recently tested at a different TH-cam channel. Or, opt for hardwire unit. Never skip on brakes.

  • @gilbertarnold8666
    @gilbertarnold8666 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video thank you!

  • @NCMOUNTAINSbackyardRC
    @NCMOUNTAINSbackyardRC 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    NC MOUNTAINS ❤.. Sweet, killing video..👍👍👍...👊

  • @venetianmetalhead
    @venetianmetalhead 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love your channel and I was wondering where the you guys got the black decal on the top of your hood. I've been looking for one and can't find one for the rubicon. I live in Florida and sometimes the glare is fierce. Best of luck to you guys.

  • @illestz
    @illestz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Check out the Powerbuilt bottle jack. Definitely recommend

  • @niner8tangojuliet149
    @niner8tangojuliet149 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gears are rotating levers. It is, by far, the best bang for your buck mod you will ever do to you Jeep. Most neglect this because it’s an expensive and complicated job. Do yourself a favor with the money you have for that chrome gas cap and those flame stickers and save it for gears.

  • @VideosOffRoad
    @VideosOffRoad 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I carry a couple of small chunks of 2 x 4 in the trunk of my JKUR to put under the stock jack. I have changed a flat tire using that, no problem. it works, and is MUCH MUCH safer than using a Hi-Lift jack. Cheaper, too. :-)

  • @garyjohnson6156
    @garyjohnson6156 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Guys, do yourselves a favor and put surge brakes on your new trailer. Yes, it add some complexity, but in the end having additional braking on the trailer will be like the difference you see in the braking tests you did in this video. IMHO Surge brakes with Disks in the way to go. They work great. I loved the braking portion of this video BTW. It really shows how much you gain by adding big brakes.

  • @joshuatyson3497
    @joshuatyson3497 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    when y'all are back in CO, do a test side by side going up that long road near the Eisenhower tunnel, just to see how different the gear ratio is between the two of yall

  • @tjshine8022
    @tjshine8022 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Trailer and maybe a XP coming in the future??? :)

    • @tjshine8022
      @tjshine8022 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I knew you would get hooked! I learned a long time ago that you can have much more fun when you know you don't have to drive your "Toy" home. Too many days stranded in the desert cause I broke something being crazy (stupid). :-)

  • @onefastcyclist
    @onefastcyclist 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Last time I was in the shop of 4-wheel parts they had a jeep with both diffs apart in one of their bays. I ask, and the mechanic replied that the owner lifted it, put large tires on it and drove it till both diffs gave up. They were rebuilding and re-gearing them. More braking - More Better!

  • @JsGarage
    @JsGarage 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    5:29 listen to how much later your buddies Jeep down shifts and goes. You guys got the jump this time and couldn’t make any gap. When he got the jump he was gone. You guys just aren’t roll racers and that’s okay. Both have to be in manual at a good RPM (to be in the right gear and not wait for the trans to bring you to the gear you need) and switch to auto after you floor it(to let the trans handle the shifts). Has to also happen at the same time or we’ll never know the difference. Give TH-cam a better JL gearing test please! You guys have a lot of similarities between the Jeeps give us the real test!

  • @Dondon6x7
    @Dondon6x7 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    YOU are getting a RZR!!!!!!!! SWEET!!!!

  • @jameskeith8964
    @jameskeith8964 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If I get this right , you traveled 2 1/2 hours on a full tank of gas, at 75 miles an hour on cruise control . Peppa’s Jeep and Step Child Jeep drove 187.5 miles. But here’s the difference on gas miles , Peppa’s Jeep got 11.192 miles to the gallon of gas , and Step Child’s got 10.336 miles to the gallon. Before gassing Peppa’s Jeep he had left in his tank 4.747 gallons , and Step Child had 3.361 gallons of gas left. The weight in both Jeeps gave you less miles then factor tires at 21.5 gasoline of gas you would of gotten at 20 miles to a gallon , you would of got 451.1 miles to a tank . But with the gallons left in the tank before getting gas Peppa’s would of gotten another 53.128 miles and you would of gotten on Step Child 34.739 miles , and the difference of 19.389 miles Peppa’s Jeep could go before emptying the fuel tank. If I got this right please let me know.

    • @Grumpy_old_Boot
      @Grumpy_old_Boot 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which is allright for an offroad monster, like the Stepchild.
      But imagine having to daily it for a long commute ? In that case the MPG is horrendous !
      Heck, I used to drive a panel van in the city, and that still got 28 mpg!
      Offroad vehicles are almost as thirsty as the TH-cam commenters when Brittany wears skimpy clothing!!

  • @philiphannum4211
    @philiphannum4211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow! The OEM brakes are sketch. Be careful out there, we all want to see more of you out wheeling.
    JELLY!!!!!

  • @BillyTpower
    @BillyTpower 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The aerodynamics are in your favor bigtime with regards to soft top vs hardtop.

  • @rdnckhillb
    @rdnckhillb 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you want a good safe Jack for the stepchild and whatever else you will be pulling look into getting a Pro Eagle Jack. They are worth every penny.

  • @301steady
    @301steady 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm guessing regardless of insignificant weight, the Stepchild will get better gas mileage; because of gearing. Aerodynamics is huge; so, Michael drafting will help him save & get better mileage. Just thinking about Newton's Laws of Motion. Weight only factors in when it's a lot of stopping & going. Once the weight is going, the gearing and aero are going to factor in heavier than weight.

    • @301steady
      @301steady 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A trailer however, with more drag from the trailer tires will definitely cause a significant reduction in gas mileage, more wear & tear on the transmission too. Yeah, get some carbon fiber brakes to help with stopping.

  • @johngrodski4158
    @johngrodski4158 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kevin, good job helping the stranded motorist 👍. The Rubitron is gorgeous...is that a custom paint job?

    • @JLRUBITRON
      @JLRUBITRON 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Custom wrap to match the dash

  • @rif4357
    @rif4357 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I recently bought my second jeep with 120000 miles. Rolling 35” tires since new on the stock 3.73 gears. The transmission was shot and needed a complete rebuild. I also did a regear to 4.56’s to regain stock performance. No significant change in gas mileage. Way better torque, acceleration, power up a rock etc. for longevity of the jeep gears are way worth it!

  • @danielthomas5872
    @danielthomas5872 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not a jeep guy but I like your channel. Great content here, great job..gears are not for gas mileage they are to bring the engine back into the normal operating RPM after installing bigger tires.. try your test again but do it in the city with a lot of stop and go driving.. then you will see a bigger difference..

  • @paulkinze6848
    @paulkinze6848 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have been running 38s with 513 gears for the last year or so and yes I can see how it could affect the mpg some.... Now I could be wrong but.... I think the more important thing about the gear ratio is long term wear on the transmission..
    I will say that having 410s will make it easier if you want to go back to a 35in tire in the future, I would need to regear to drop back down. I just dropped back down to a 37 and while its only an inch, it is crazy how much difference I feel in the acceleration.

  • @jalilburdeen8698
    @jalilburdeen8698 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Brakes FOR SURE. Cruise control also is horrible for mileage since your engine is accelerating more. With 5.13 gears his is accelerating slightly harder in cruise and has more deceleration when him/the cruise control let off the gas.

  • @Mcscott67
    @Mcscott67 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Brakes are good. Git you some.

  • @marquezempire7487
    @marquezempire7487 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Greetings from Moab Utah 💙❤️

  • @abihadperez4579
    @abihadperez4579 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    You guys forgot hard top and he’s running the soft top

  • @PepeDeezNutz
    @PepeDeezNutz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Come on we all know your gonna slap on some Alcon’s for those future 40” meats.

  • @Grumpy_old_Boot
    @Grumpy_old_Boot 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For highway driving, aero dynamic drag and speed (rolling resistance and transmission heat) is usually what governs how much fuel you use.
    And also weight a bit, if there's a lot of hills/mountains - Though highways usually try to go around those.
    Edit :
    I saw a bunch say "but he would use more gas because of higher RPM's" … which is both true and false.
    Modern engines with direct fuel injection will lean out the air/fuel mixture when they are under light load, so that helps.
    Also, the Jeep JL can be had with an 8 speed automatic (which I think they both have) - And with closer gear ratios,
    Michael is likely to have a gear that fits his optimal RPM range, at highway speeds, again curbing excessive fuel use.
    Something like a 500 RPM difference is not going to make a big difference in fuel usage, with a modern engine.
    Mind you, if you have an old engine with a carburettor, low RPM is king !

    • @LiteBrite
      @LiteBrite  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Grumpy ol' Boot Yup yup. At 75mph, we’re in 7th gear and Michael is in 8th, both at around 2500rpm

    • @Grumpy_old_Boot
      @Grumpy_old_Boot 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LiteBrite
      Yup yup, and at that point, the jeeps aero dynamic properties (which worse than a brick! ), is what burns all the fuel. 😁

  • @joegetz6661
    @joegetz6661 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Woooot. Late night crew!

    • @js-dz5bs
      @js-dz5bs 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      this isn't late, why go to bed the same day you wake up?

    • @joegetz6661
      @joegetz6661 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      j s East coast life. It was just slightly after midnight when I got notified of this gem. I own a bar. I don’t actually know what sleep is. Lol.

  • @RobDTom
    @RobDTom 5 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Your 4.10 gears give you *better* mileage at cruising speed not worse.

    • @ryanmartinage
      @ryanmartinage 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      RobDTom unless you lose your last 1-2 gears entirely. Go uphill and it just screams all the way up..

    • @MoonyJohn
      @MoonyJohn 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      agreed, basically rpms in the low on freeway is the ticket. City driving would be different

    • @RobDTom
      @RobDTom 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MoonyJohn Exactly

    • @LiteBrite
      @LiteBrite  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      RobDTom In a perfect world and on paper. Like Ryan said though, the real world factor you’re missing is that Kevin and I no longer hit 8th, or sometimes even 7th, gear. Whereas Michael does.

    • @MoonyJohn
      @MoonyJohn 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LiteBrite Overall the numbers arent huge in difference but add city driving and then more load on the tranny over the life of the jeep youll burn yours up faster. Plus, your 1st gear crawling ratio would be ever better ;)

  • @keithrussell2175
    @keithrussell2175 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awww.l Come on. Go to 40's and a braked trailer! :-D BTW, it was super-informational!!!

  • @07cummins3500
    @07cummins3500 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I spy an scx10! Love those things. Also, bottle Jack's are great, I just have a 3 ton from harbour freight. Factory Jack's are trash. And I've seen the OEM jl Jack's break. It was in a Wayalife video for the JL Experience.

  • @alexkostenyuk
    @alexkostenyuk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Todd’s Jeep is badass

  • @Tanner731
    @Tanner731 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you want floor jack and an extension on the jacking point and a way to mount it. the hilift will hurt you if you arent careful. pro eagle makes them or you could put a skid/mounting plate and the proeagle extension on a harbor freight jack

  • @dertyoffroad
    @dertyoffroad 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome comparisons. Regardless of RPM and all numbers behind gear changing this test shows that in real world scenarios with these two jeep, if they did the same driving the Jeep with 4.10s spends $346 more on gas each year at $2.40 a gallon (AZ) filling up twice a week. Since the average gear change is roughly $1200 is it really worth changing? The real question would be over time, how much more wear and tear are you putting on the engine, axles, etc.

  • @Dwillis2024
    @Dwillis2024 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That dude coming up behind you guys at the gas station. 😂

  • @davidbtc295
    @davidbtc295 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Simple bottle jack. I’m on 40’s and use one. Way better than a high lift for that tire change

  • @djgoliday
    @djgoliday 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok this was a GOOD video.

  • @billdavis6826
    @billdavis6826 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just curious about the intake and exhaust. Are they also similar for MPG? And what about seat of the pants feel when driving both? Do they feel similar driving and wheeling in similar conditions?

  • @craigv6888
    @craigv6888 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    With an 8 speed auto you aren’t going see the difference like the old 5 speed auto with gears. But 5:13 are just compensating for the tire size.

    • @Wooskii1
      @Wooskii1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      So true, older automatic jeeps came with 3.73's (I think) and the manuals had 4.10's, so the jump from 3.73 to 5.11 makes a HUGE difference, especially when you literally only have half of the gears (4 vs 8), and you go from 28in tires to 38s (vs 33s to 38s)

    • @tjshine8022
      @tjshine8022 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Truth. When I changed my 96' Chevy 1500 gears from 3.73 to 4.58 I actually increased my mileage because I made it easier for the engine to push the truck with the 35"s and stock 4 speed Auto. That is until I got up to 75MPH, then my mileage went down because the engine was turning so much faster.

  • @crawl4x410
    @crawl4x410 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Re gear and brake upgrade thats a definite upgrade for me! Running 37s or bigger i would go with a Nitro 5.38 diff ratio and 4 pistons or 6 pistons brake upgrade with larger diameter rotors. Rather than the one piston jk brakes and 2 pistons JL.

    • @JsGarage
      @JsGarage 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      5.38 is unnecessary in a JL Rubicon with the 8 speed. Maybe 40”+. Really for 38s probably only need to bump to 4.88 with the 8 speed and that 4:1 low for crawling. I ran stock 4.10s on my old 07 2dr JK 6 speed for awhile. It needed more on the road but was alright. The 4:1 and 4.4:1 first in the manual trans made crawling a non issue. Gears certainly help though not denying that. The JL doesn’t hold the same gear requirements as the 5 speed auto JK.

  • @jasonw4533
    @jasonw4533 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Lol I'd never thought I'd see jeep wranglers doing highway rolls.

  • @dougcastellano
    @dougcastellano 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The lower gear ratio (5.13) will give you more strength (power) for climbing over obstacles where the higher gear ratio (4.10) lower the rpm’s at speed. That leads to technically lower gas mileage for the 4.10s. At low speed and over obstacles, I bet it would be opposite. Sounds like a good hypothesis to test.

  • @Charlie_Foxtrot_
    @Charlie_Foxtrot_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds like a supercharger is entering the game.

  • @arlendavis
    @arlendavis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wind resistance has far more to do with mileage than weight at those speeds and your wind resistance is pretty much equal. The brake test was very interesting.

  • @emmanuelgt5
    @emmanuelgt5 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would recommend a bottle jack for you, safer, compact, inexpensive. You only need to jack up the axle a couple of inches to get your tire off the ground as opposed to a high lift where you have to go more than full droop to raise a tire.

    • @Tanner731
      @Tanner731 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      a floor jack with a raised lifting point would be even better. theres kits to make the harbor freight ones have a skid plate so itll work in sand and dirt and it also helps it securely mount in your vehicle

  • @markwh668
    @markwh668 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    LS swap?! Way better than a Ripp supercharger...( Great video, by the way)

  • @OffroadCpl
    @OffroadCpl 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hell yeah get on truck night be awesome for your channel

  • @ticketboy52
    @ticketboy52 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    With 5.13’s the engine doesn’t have to work as hard, and with the 4.10’s your putting more of a load on the motor to help you accelerate. Add a bunch of weight to the 4.10’s the motor has a huge load it’s trying to push.
    If you ride a bike uphill in a harder gear, your going to get tired faster, then of you had the bike in an easier gear.

  • @brent042081
    @brent042081 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you!

  • @one4x4nut
    @one4x4nut 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I look at it opposite, didn’t lose much mileage for the better low end. Would probably be much different in the stop and go stuff.

  • @k9runner
    @k9runner 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can add electric brakes to most trailers pretty easily; for a 3500lb axle you should be able to do it for less than $150-200. etrailer.com has kits and install videos; adding trailer brakes will be a big help.

  • @alexa.6481
    @alexa.6481 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like the road armor fender flares wayyyyyyy more then the American lab choppy crap. Sorry Michael ......

  • @ianmburke
    @ianmburke 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Regearing is more for acceleration and torque not for highway gas milage - total weight unless EXTREME won't make a huge difference since Jeeps have nearly no aerodynamics. Regearing can make a gas milage difference as long as you're in stop and go traffic. But highway is all for the lower gears... Note that in 2012 + all rubicons with autos were built with 3.73s not 4.10 because of gas milage (unless special ordered)