12/11 The 'Whitby Jet' Blue Pullman HST struggles for traction on a slippery railhead on the EVL
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ย. 2021
- Filmed Friday 12th November 2021.
The 'Whitby Jet' rail tour returns for its second trip to Whitby on the Esk Valley line via Battersby and Grosmont en route to Whitby.
On the return leg from Whitby, the HST struggles for traction on the slippy rail head due to drizzle, rain, tight curves and leaves and sludge on the track between Grosmont and Glaisdale.
Hand sanding is used to help the Blue Pullman gain traction.
The 'Whitby Jet' Midland Blue Pullman rail tour organised by 'Midland Pullman' and operated by Locomotive Services Ltd.
One of the withdrawn Intercity 125 high speed train (HST) sets has been refurbished and repainted into the livery if the "Midland Pullman" that ran in the 1960s and 1970s between Manchester and London St. Pancras and was one of the first modern type diesel electric multiple units in Britain.
The train is a recreation of the Pullman service and tours the UK on rail tours.
Great filming & lovely locations. Typical of Notwork Fail not sending an MPV out to jet the track. This was probably the main reason why my old workmate at Salisbury slid past the signal and hit the 158 entering Fisherton tunnel. So lucky because if the 158 had been further round and fully in the tunnel, it would have been head on and he'd be dead.
Thankfully Robin left hospital a couple of days ago on crutches after an operation on his ankle. I know he'll want to get back to work though if possible.
I was on board yesterday. Thanks for filming and posting this. The crew did make us aware of the problem but we just had another glass of champagne. It was a great experience, by the way.
I was On board too, glad you had a great day & yess the gin was flowing quite nicely too. lol. I think the whole team did am amzing job yesterday, was brilliant.
I was just watching the video and thought about you being on it 🙂
@@MarkGFRex Yep. We were there, without a thought for the guy with the sandite trolley. Interestingly, when we got to Glaisdale I noticed the guy changing to the service train going in the opposite direction so I guess his job for the day was to ensure the trains got through. Kudos to the guy.
@@chrisboam I was amazed he walked in front whilst it was moving. Talk about a horrible job. Cold, wet and dangerous.
lucky dog I wana ride that train feel like a kid on holiday again
No sanders on the HST, we used to put jerry cans full of sand in the guards van when I worked for GWR. They would get regularly replenished during the slippery months...
First time I've ever seen one , even though filmed , my father collects the hornby models and only seen them.
Good looking train
Beautifully filmed amongst beautiful scenery😍
I was nor even aware there is a new Blue Pullman now! Amazing!
I like that track cleaner, beats my Peco rubber.
What a strange name for a condom. A 'Peek O Rubber'
Beautiful autumn scenery and nicely filmed.
Lovely videography and that HST does look the part in classic Pullman blue.
Wow great video.Thanks for sharing.
Great and thanks very much for replying to my comment. Have a Great Christmas and Happy New year. Take Care & Stay Safe.
Thanks for posting . i was also on it and we getting a jolting but we got there in
the end
Beautiful Pullman HST
Autumn - the season of leaves on tracks making them all slippery and slidy so trains either can't go or can't stop. The latter producing flat wheel spots galore (bonkbonkbonk) on London suburban EMUs when I commuted back in the 70s. I remember also frequent visits by the sanding trains.
Some great footage, well shot and the absence of commentary is perfect. Great stuff!
Great footage.
Awesome colour on that train
Speed and power solves many things haha 😄 😆
Great film been on that once or twice
Fantastic vid
Very nice done video, thumbs up :)
I suppose it’s not a surprise. The Esk Valley Line wasn’t designed for a HST set. Lovely to see it though. Thank you for posting this.
Or rather the HSTs were not designed for the Esk Valley Line 😜
Ye Greg is right, the whole point of the Intercity 125 HST was to make it compatible with 19th century rail infrastructure at high speeds, but even that had its limits as you can clearly see
Wow what a result
8:44 What a striking scene!
The guy. hand sanding the rails at 6.40 plus should get a medal!
Absolutely cracking video, thanks for sharing this, brilliant. Experianced that 1st hand as was on board & in the front coach, it was a cracking day & this didn't mar it in anyway. I hope you got some stills of it in that valley section where the guy is sanding the track (approx 8mins 16s in) as would love to see those, looks gorgeous in amongst the autumn trees. Wonderful.
If you present the time as 8:16 it takes you to it.
Unusual to see it struggling, had no issues the previous week from Barrow, though it did seem to struggle a bit leaving Dalton. Seems like a similar case here.
I don't think "struggle"' is the right word for this situation. It wasn't like steam engines that "stall" after a huge struggle on wet tracks even with sand. I am not against steam locos but there is no place for them on main lines, especially in the wet, although to be fair, the almost compulsory trailing diesel loco has removed some of the uncertainty of a one steam loco only trip.
... just taking my train for a walk
I see. Also the train was only 26 minutes late at Battersby, so they must have anticipated this problem. My grandfather was born in "Railway Cottages" close to this line, so I have some familiarity with the area, but looks remote.
I saw it come through Thornaby this evening, I got a horn from it😆😆
Ooh err Mrs.
8:16 stunning!
I live right opposite Whitby station...can't believe I missed this!!!
Is his white implement sanding, cleaning or drying? Why don't they have 2, one for each side, and push along together rather than going up and down? Don't they have Powerbase fitted?
I really can’t get used to this livery at all
Once a hst power car decides to be light on its feet its a nightmare! going from powe notch 1 to 2 can spin the wheels some power cars are worse than others....some times a bit of a rub of brakes can help but speed required no good from a standing start...sand boxes are helpful untill empty!
how do you find out about stuff like that?? i was looking at NYR site a couple of weeks back and saw nothing relating to this event or other, yet see video posts regularly of interesting things that happened ! ! !
By hand sanding is it dropping that gloopy sludge on the railhead? It's grey. I remember seeing them apply it to a bad spot near me last year. It was like pouring semolina from the tin. Just dropped out like jelly.
I think I can, I think I can, I think I can. ….. nope I cant
Great. I presume they had to stop to pick up the "sandman".
I believe he was parked up at Glaisdale station. When I got back to the car I think I saw him in a Network Rail van
I used to commute on these trains for donkeys years Swindon or Pewsey to Paddington & back. All different liveries. All different microwave food. Just like this.
Did trains stop at Pewsey? My mate & I spent a lot of Saturdays train spotting on that station in the late 50's, but never saw a train stop. It was the closest GWR station to us from Boscombe Down.
@@cliffordwoolston1997 Yes, I once lived near Bromham and some Down & Up HSTs certainly stopped at Pewsey between 1997 & 2003. I think the Down train I used to catch regularly was 17.40'ish off Paddington. One morning Up train I used to catch just after 07.00hrs off Pewsey had a Restaurant Car & if seats were still available at Pewsey passengers could have breakfast (which I did once).
Aren't Class 43s lacking in sanding equipment...?
What are the catering vehicles? I think I see a TRUB, and is that a TRUK? Yum yum!
How steep is that line? And, also, how bad is the HST's traction control?
Curious. Do the locomotive have sanding capabilities built-in? If no, why not?
I've had a look on a cab layout diagram and can't see any controls for Sanders.
HST's were never fitted with sanding gear, even when new.
Do both locos work ,if so how weak ,how many hp and what dose the loco weigh by rites it should eat that load
Nice video but as you say it's an HST 125 in Blue Pullman livery, to be really authentic where's the coat of arms on the front. Plus surely the set up is longer than the original pullman sets.
Whatever happened to sandboxes?
Lovely paint job, but, don't they have sanders?
Looking at the cab layout I can't see any controls for sanding equipment
Nope, HSTs were never fitted with them.
Very interesting video and excellent supporting information.
Watching the video, I wasn't certain if this Pullman was privately owned or not, but well explained in your additional information.
Thanks for sharing and long may it continue.
Is it permitted to run on the mainline at the maximum speed it previously attained (125+)?
Al.
WRT the description, is an HST really a DEMU? Surely it is a loco hauled (and propelled) train of ordinary coaches. Each power car is a loco and numbered as such - some even have names. By contrast, I would suggest that a Voyager, for example, is a true DEMU.
They were regarded as that originally, and as the power cars can't be uncoupled and used on something else they're really fixed formation trains
The description is referring to the original Midland Pullman sets as DEMUs, not the HST.
@@DysonTim But didn't they have power cars like the HSTs?
Originally, when first introduced in the 1970s, HSTs were regarded as coaching stock. The power cars were numbered in the coaching stock number series, complete with regional prefixes. The class 43 locomotive was the Western Region Warship diesel-hydraulic. Only later were the power cars transferred to the locomotive number series, and class 43 redesignated to be the HST power cars. The ETH and control cabling of HST passenger stock is completely different from loco-hauled Mk 3 stock. The power supply is three-phase, for a start.
So the wrong type of water on the tracks?
I assume this train is MTU engined?
The problem is the paint, you see it's not high speed paint, it's one coat buggers all!
Shoulda brought a Castle 👍
Is this a special train or does it run regularly?
It was rail tour, so a special train. It ran twice into Whitby. However the blue Pullman does other tours around the UK and has three trips in December
round the corner a class 37 is heard sniggering
How many camera operators were harmed in the making of this video?
Any specific reason why they've coloured the coupling doors yellow? Thought the whole front end was blue?
I think it was for safety and mandated by Network Rail so people lineside could better see the approaching train
Although this requirement has recently been dropped
Pullmans are still a thing? I'm surprised.
Not really, it’s for show and special trips/rail tours.
It's St Pancras, not St Pancreas.
Does this go to whitby station?
Yes. It went to Whitby. Passengers had a couple of hours in Whitby before returning
@@nymrfootage is there a time table for it?
That yellow panel on the front has ruined the recreation slightly as in the nanking blue there was no panel.
I bet this wouldn't have happened in the days of steam. I grew up with steam and never heard of leaves on the line till the lightweight trains came in.
Don't they have sanders in Britain?
Not on this class iif train. They've never been fitted. The class if loco was never designed to operate in branch lines with tight curves and steep gradients
So how exactly do they stop in low adhesion situations? Sounds rather dangerous to me as a train driver in Europe.
Why have the yellow panels appeared? they ruin the look of it!
"One of the withdrawn Intercity 125 high speed train (HST) sets has been refurbished".... and had the wheelchair spaces removed. Progress! Still shalln't be taking my disabled relative on a 'railtour'!
I would be minded to question the legality of that. If the set was previously capable of wheelchair access then removing it might be contrary to the Equality Act 2010, although I'd get proper advice before pursuing - they may have been given a suitable derogation, and us YT commenters aren't perfect... ;o|
@@lordmuntague I enquired and they do not offer access to fulltime wheelchair users and I can't afford to challenge this. So, I will NOT be supporting their tours. Don't think they will miss me!
@@holmesjunction Don't blame you. I'd be interested to know what their excuse is. If they're not careful it might have to begin with "Well M'Lud..."
That accursed wrong sort of drizzle, scourge of Britain's rail network...!!!
I am surprised they got permission to run an HST on this line. Than again, some idiot allowed an A4 to run. Specials are fine but they really need to have a long hard look at the type of traction they use. Its not a game. Its real life.
It ran perfectly normal the previous week, it's good to see it on the line regardless of all the negative comments.
calm down karren no dolphins were hurt in the making of this video
The HST worked perfectly well when it visited the Worth Valley Railway a few years ago, which is also steep and winding.
This organisation doesn't seem capable of selecting suitable times of year to run across some of the more difficult routes they elect to promote, it has put me off the idea of paying to go on one of any of their excursions.
They were rescheduled runs from earlier in the year when Covid prohibited it from running, the previous week's run went exactly to plan, this one was just unfortunate due to the conditions and the time was soon made up again.
Did you leave you sense of adventure in your car!!
With a name like that, I'd expect the train to be black....