I got rid of my husband's new mic on ebay....he was angry at first because he thought I'd sold it, but when he found out I'd only auctioned it, he was perfectly happy.
it is obvious that LMG puts making money with clickbait videos over honesty and integrity. they don't even care if they destroy a new company with their incompetent false reviews if they get some more views on TH-cam
Well they spoonfed the ASUS supporter and rated them 4/5. Guess when ASUS pays the bills you can't give them bad reviews. The ASUS forum is littered with complaints about terrible support, hardware failures, the new ROG Ally killing it's own SD card port. What do you hear from LMG? Only praise because well, they know who pays the bills and sends free hardware.
@@martinsnow6641 jayz2c dumped asus and said no to ALOOOOT of money after the exploding cpu socket fiasco, thats real tegridy right there, linus glanced over this event rather fast likely because yeah like u said, asus big sponsor.
For your polar pattern testing, please use a directivity graph for better representation. You can do this by rotating the mic around a fixed point, then loading the data into VituixCAD and exporting a normalized directivity graph, including contour lines. The same method works for speakers, as shown in the CEA-2034 documentation.
it's pretty funny how often random youtube commenters have advice for better testing methodology when linus is paying dozens of "expert" employees for his LTT labs
@@yobson i mean, i dont dissagree. but at the same time. the lab is currently being set up still. i have no doubt that they plan on extending the test suite in the future. imo, the labs shouldnt be being used for things like this yet. i think the fact they are still working out what labs is and how it operates is why we see so many errors. doesnt excuse the handling of the errors though
@@leelester69As stated in the video "we haven't begun testing microphones in full and don't have all of the testing equipment set up yet." In other words, they're literally setting things up and using general testing and graphing, atm.
I know there’s a lot of controversy going on right now, but I want to give some feedback on the microphone testing - For the polar pattern, that’s not usually how those are graphed. As a professional audio engineer I found it difficult to understand, so I can see this being very confusing to the average consumer. I suggest using the type of graphs / visuals pro audio manufacturers ship with their microphones. Those are pretty easy to understand even at a glance.
As a fellow audio engineer and sound designer I agree that it was not the optimal way to show a consumer polar patterns. It was interesting to see I suppose.
as a not fellow audio engineer or sound designer but someone who's seen polar patterns displayed on polar graphs, i'm surprised they didn't use a... well, polar graph to show the polar pattern
As an experienced audio engineer I was disappointed with the complete lack of mentioning the distortion. While I do agree with the conclusion, it's a great mic for the price, you massively undervalued the RE20 or the MKH50 here. They sound way cleaner and more precise. I am aware the problem on the FiFine this is likely the preamp or ADC rather than the mic itself, but since it's integrated in the mic it's still part of it.
I would wager he's just clipping something later on. It's hard to make a mic capsule distort in front of guitar amps if you set the gain properly, let alone speaking volume. He could be clipping the internal DAC but that is even more worrisome when he can't even get the gain right to avoid clipping. Bottom line, this is almost 100% user error.
It's most probably the capule, maybe a little the amp but definitely not the ADC, converters are the least contributors to the sound with modern audio products.
@@andrew6978 Gain has nothing to do with the capsule distorted, I think what @vincentvanzwietenOFFICIAL was referring to is not distortion of high SPL, More like THD (total harmonic distortion)
@@xfghffhfg Did I say gain distorts the capsule? No. He was referring to the distortion in the video I assume, which is likely due to improper gain settings. THD is unlikely to be noticeable on youtube unless the mic is broken. The capsule of any decent mic does not distort under voice SPL. Ergo, it's gain stage issues. "definitely not the ADC, converters are the least contributors to the sound with modern audio products." You do realise you can easily clip ADCs? You don't seem to know what you're talking about.
Imagine having MILLIONS of dollars invested in a testing lab built for accuracy but not investing $500 in order to install a cpu cooler the correct way...
Yeah, that hit me as absurd immediately. This is a dude who was offered 100,000,000$ for his company willfully spreading misinformation because it would have cost 500$ "in employee time". Also he's a fucking creep apparently.
Company's valuation and money on hand are two different things. A few weeks ago he did sale with free shipping to help with liquidity. imho he invested too much with LABs, backpacks, screwdrivers and other stuff and may be having money problems rn. That would explain the hustle to release video after video and his grumble that he cannot slow down
To be fair, blue yeti is one of those cases when it's never been such a great value, but it got popular for reasons And as of today, there are far better options in the price range
Yeti has always been a weird one. A $129.99 msrp for a device you're only going to use like a 1/3rd of... I never used the headphone jack except to test it, I never used any pattern other than cardioid, etc... Granted I got it for about $80 back in 2014. I think that if I knew more about mics then I wouldn't have considered it.
Then give a feedback on why it is bad and how can it be improved. I do the same when some reviewer makes mistakes on things that are part of my field. Saying x is bad because i know that, it's just bragging being a "pro".
@@Modelero I mean, not showing polar patterns in the industry standard way for decades for one. In fact, why are they even measuring polar patterns? This is usually measured by the manufacturer and given with the specs of the mic.
Linus: Companies are not your friends, they are just out for your money. Also Linus: I spend 30 million on a lab and cant afford 500$ to retest something. I mean, at least he was right.
It wasn't even 500 bucks... He said 500 bucks worth of their time... It's not THEIR time, it's HIS time, they are at WORK, which he is paying them for... IMAGINE what it must be like to get fair compensation or a raise or whatever out of LTT...
@@benderrodriguez4107 just watch more than one channel for the same product review and u can decide if it's accurate that way. The same method you should use for any product. Never trust one single review, anywhere
That boom arm(from what I can see) is basically the same really extremely cheap arm that ships with most MIC kits on Amazon. It works, but those 1/4" nuts WILL back off without you noticing. It looks like they have one of the better desk clamps, so that's good.
Hear hear! (Imagine making this channel and then you and your employees all crying about having enough time to release one video. - call it a fall from grace lmao)
As a long-time viewer of LTT (7 plus years), I'm very disappointed in LTT's response to GN's video on data inaccuracy from LMG. It's not ok to ignore the facts presented and do nothing to fix these issues. I don't watch most of Gamers Nexus' content, but a 44 minute video that I didn't expect to have anything more than just "youtube drama" in it, proved to be anything but. These are real issues that need to be addressed.
Safe to say I've unsubscribed from all LTT channels. I can't support this kind of company. Sad to see someone as experienced as Linus act like such a child.
Billet sent a waterblock and 3090ti to test it with. Someone lost the 3090ti. LTT was forced to shoot the video without the required products. leading to subpar review. Someone said they'd send back the waterblock. Someone never sent back the waterblock to Billet. Someone set up an auction and put items up for auction that should not have been. Someone mistakenly put up the waterblock for auction. Someone should have been tracking the auction buyers. Someone lost the tracking sheet. Seems like this whole saga was because of incompetence from the people or teams that were responsible for the above. And of course, Linus failure of a response only made things 10 times worse.
We've all seen the tendencies the employees have had when they did their upgrade series. Multiple in-house assets stolen and brought home to use in personal rigs etc. This was pretty expected and someone's probably pretty stoked about having that 3090ti to game with, for free.
Well, looking at how L behaves with hardware, no wonder why. I used to work as a network technician, worked in a computer store and spent some time assembling [a lot] computers.
He also doubled and tripled down, tested it wrong instead of spending "one hundred/five hundred dollars" reshooting with the right GPU, tested it wrong on purpose, then said it was a horrible product with no market share that nobody should buy. Oh yeah and he's sponsored by another water block company. Cool. It's not like people regularly spent tons of money on water blocks and hardline water cooling, it's not like he tests significantly more expensive less useful things constantly (huge fans, passive cooled cases, etc), or anything like that! No, he was just looking out for the consumer! By: -misrepresenting data -falsifying and copying test results -changing and retesting certain products to conform to manufacturer numbers rather than showing actual results -owning stakes in companies he shills for on his channel -reviewing a product he has bias against and fucking up all parts of use, showing a lack of competence and zero compassion for entrepreneurs trying to do something new in the PC space -focusing 90% of content on things viewers will never afford like the 1600 dollar GPU he was misusing on the water block No, the two guys spending time prototyping a new idea must be in the wrong! Am I so out of touch? 800 dollars for a water block is insane!!!! There's no market share, it's for the last gen cards which surely nobody uses a year later!!! They should have just developed and machined a prototype for the 4090, right? It's not like designing a product that is high quality takes FOREVER especially with a small team, NOOO! They shoulda just caught up. Surely LTT designed their screwdrivers in just a couple months, and products like their backpacks never have issues..... Now please watch me set up a million dollar NAS for a TH-camr.
@@ArensLive He is referencing the Gamers Nexus videos, and also Linus's response to it. I won't recap the situation since Steve at Gamer Nexus does it rather articulately.
The real concern to linus is his money. Plain and simple. I told people this when he was pushing people to buy LGs when LG was giving him big tvs for his house, ignoring tons of issues I knew the tvs had. But LG was giving him tons of money and even appeared in their commercials. Then if you notice he almost dumps on companies to get them to pay him to shut up pretty much. He recently even dumped on iFixit in a video about his sponsors when they stopped sponsoring him because he started promoting his crazy expensive screw driver over there's while still taking their money. LMG has never been trustworthy. it was a matter of time before people noticed hes running an AD company now.
As a longtime viewer, I respect Linus and LMG a lot, as well as what they're trying to accomplish. Gamers Nexus notwithstanding, however, I've personally noticed an uneasy amount of discrepancies, corrections, and marks of rushed content throughout recent videos. As LMG grows into the technical reviewing and data collection side of things with Labs, I really do think it's important that a little extra time is taken to ensure presented information is accurate. I understand the financial reasons for releasing videos fast, but if doing so harms the legitimacy of every piece of content on the channels, it just isn't right. For all it's worth, I work in video production (TV/streaming broadcast at the moment) and know from experience that rushing content just leads to unsatisfied employees and a needlessly stunted final product. If not from me, please take a lesson from all the game devs we criticize for rushing games-rushed content almost always shows.
I've noticed a significant decline in content quality from LMG and specifically LTT in recent months, specifically an increase in "list-style" videos which I can't even bear to watch. I grew up watching LTT and Linus lit the tech fire within me but I don't know if I can continue to support someone who pushes their employees so much for quantity when they have so much influence on their viewers and the industry as a whole.
Wholeheartedly agree. I was really hoping after the employee interview video where most of the staff all said they wished things would slow down that things might improve, but it seems the "***INSERT CORRECTION TO WHAT WAS JUST SAID HERE" happens more and more often in each video...they're all either gonna burn out, or their content will just become so riddled with mistakes that they won't be taken seriously anymore
@@InfernosReaper Allegedly, Tong was just a manager rather than an exec/investor meaning that he had no choice in the poor decisions that caused the fall off ncix.
It's a shame, because I loved his videos, been watching for ages. Guess money does change people for the worse sadly. Guess he forgot that he makes videos for his viewers, not the algorithm. A content creator with this much velocity/viewerbase should know by now that being a bit late or missing a few videos isn't going to magically make everyone stop watching. Sure, you may lose a few people, but this is much worse. I wonder if he just stopped caring after he got what he wanted?
exactly. I have seen(and worked) at great small to mid size companies who were bought out/merged/etc and turned into a toxic mess. This is definitely a cautionary tale.
0:30 when i saw the overall shape of this mic. I immediately saw it looked familiar.Load and behold it's the mic sitting next to me, that i never liked to use cause it captured all the sound of my laptop fans. Colour me surprised when i found out this exact microphone was made by the company who makes those kind of microphone reviewed in the video
I'm saying this out of love for the channel as I grew up watching Linus, Luke, and the overall channel grow. The following what I have to say is not out of hate but for concern and overall love as a long time fan. Before Steve's video came out, I too have noticed the amount of errors, inconsistencies, later corrections that take place, and the fact that there isn't a lot of accountability being shown really concerns me. The employees, many of which us fans respect and admire with their vast knowledge and charisma, even said that it's "quantity over quality" when it comes to the videos. If memory serves me right, back in the old LTT days, there was a time when videos weren't uploaded daily but rather I think 3-5 times per week, and the quality of the videos showed tremendously! Even back then if something was wrong, the team took accountability. But now it's seems there's been a shift. Even watching this video, there's plenty of things such as high pass filter being on or not. I know this channel isn't a mic/audio review channel, but a good example of someone who thoroughly reviews microphones and audio gear is Podcastage, who tests the equipment through various scenarios like voice, instruments, the polaroid pattern, proximity effect, etc. showing the piece of equipment's full capabilities through real case usage including people who will use it at their computer desks and visual and good representative graphs. Now, I doubt Linus will see this, but this next part is directly to you. I'm not entirely sure what you might be thinking right now with Steve's video coming up, as well as seeing the comments from this video alone, but the voices who're telling you these things like something needs to change, "we want better quality videos", "take better accountability", etc., aren't coming out of place of hate, but concern and I would even say love. The community loves the channel, loves what you've created, what the company will become later with labs and other projects you probably have stored in the pipeline we don't even know about yet, but please take what we're saying, as fans who love this channel, into consideration. Listen to the criticism, take accountability where it's needed, and just overall strive to do better. We all want to see you succeed and continue to grow.
"companies should be held responsible for how they respond" Don't you just hate it when someone catches you in the middle of your hypocrisy and uses your own words against you? 🙃
@@Zeeves i guess that makes misleading hundreds of thousands and spreading misinformation to millions is perfectly okay as long as its "entertaining" the propaganda department of the nearest totalitarian country would like to hire you
@@Zeeves Not everyone's an infant who needs fancy colors and someone yelling all the time though. Some people actually appreciate accurate information and humility. If you think he's bad just wait until you start working.
They complain when they notice. I notice at watching this video and makes no difference to comment but here you are assuming wich makes you seem like you know every situation wich by you commenting about it as you noticed the comments made the same exact action they did. So you are either a hypocrite or lack common sense.
Long time viewer and have genuinely used your reviews to inform my purchases. Was so excited for labs and to see what amazing things could come out of it, but I was shocked and saddened to see the inaccuracies you’ve been pushing. I totally acknowledge that everyone makes mistakes, but the brazen lack of accountability and the crunch culture emphasised on previous videos is shocking. As someone who has experienced such a culture in a startup it’s saddening to see a company which portrays itself as being a beacon of good business practices and trust having such an issue. I love the videos and hope that the whole team can learn from this and have some introspection on what led them to this point.
Unfortunately, Labs has a PR problem. Right now, Labs is just a team, the vision for Labs has not been achieved, and we are nowhere near that (1-2 yrs away, minimum). Labs (the vision of Labs Linus has) does not exist, and the testing they do today is not far off from what LMG has been doing for the past 10 years, in fast in may be suffering because they are testing new methodologies for testing, and using new equipment. Labs will take quite some time to mature into an organization that LMG is trying to build with it, now it is just a well funded startup trying to put itself together.
@@seriouscat2231at this point they should be viewed as entertainment and not factual information. If you're going to skirt issues and get called out only to avoid the topic again you shouldn't be seen as reputable. They've dug their own graves.
@@Hertaclesi'm glad they havent rolled out those public DBs. Watching several tens of mistakes being highlighted, and then the predictable pathetic response from Linus (or the lack of one) would be painful.
@dulangdulang4496 Yep, only issue is they are trying to market themselves as a reputable and rigorous company with their labs so for those who don't know better will take it at face value rather than entertainment
No matter what happens next, DON'T let the injustice done to Billet Labs get lost in the shuffle of damage control. What happened to them should be your biggest take away from all of this. The failure of an entire team's inability to simply ship back a one of a kind prototype, instead auctioning it off is inexcusable on all fronts.
I'd say the other key takeaway would be how far the Labs has to go to actually be taken seriously as an industry standard. It's supposed to go beyond GPUs and focus on everything from monitors and power supplies. With how frequent errors occur in LTT videos now, I personally believe it invalidates all the Labs credibility once fully operational until we see a consistent delivery of accurate information.
Yeah honestly this is the most mind-blowing aspect to this imo, it's just indecent; and it's not even like there was some communication breakdown or it was an old product that'd been shuffled around during any attempt to return it. They genuinely put a currently being developed product on blast, then sold what the manufacturer claims is it's best prototype in an auction. xD Just wrong.
And Linus saying $47 over a video that puts a big red circle around $45.04 (1:18) Which, yeah, not a big thing, but... such a simple thing to fix correctly.
Linus, if you value your fans, customers and your own company (and all your great employees), make your mistakes right. Ignoring and or fighting it will only make it worse.
ive used two different fifine mics so far and a headphone amplifier. Theyre VERY simple, with no software but i legit have zero complaints. Extremely solid build quality and pretty much flawless operational quality. Would absolutely recommend to anyone.
The Ampligame AM8 and their headset are probably the two best things to be released in the last 10 years for anyone who wants their first of either item.
I've been using a Fifine T699 for around a year now and it's crazy how good it sounds and how good the quality is for the price. That being said, it suddenly stopped working properly a few days ago. It barely picks up my voice and sounds muffled, tested it on another PC and it does the same thing. I bought another Fifine mic because of how good it was though. This time I won't forget to register it's warranty 😂
Hey Linus, no pitchfork here, but I will say that quantity vs quality has been an issue long before this debacle. Listen to those employees, they all asked for more time on the projects they care about, you're gonna burn em out if you don't listen.
I wouldn't say burn out, rather jump ship if they can. Burn out means they're done from the industry. If another channel was able to pay them, and give them the time to do it right, how many would stay?
Around two years ago I was watching a video of theirs and thought to myself: - Man, these written asterisks are appearing way too often. Do they even care about what they're filming anymore?
They're already burnt out, i can assure that. Between the things we see on camera and the ones we don't, its very likely they all work with a drained soul, making their work (both to us and to them) less and less interesting in retrospective. Its likely why a lot of mistakes go through and have to be edited in post, because the people that are actually in the video are likely too tired after making just that to try and retake it, even if they get paid very well.
@@ryebread8063 so people are acting like twats because of the recent GN stuff and not based on the video itself. I feel sorry for LTT they have to put up with some proper weirdos.
@@thedegoose No, I'm sorry but I disagree. If this is what is needed to correct the issues they have created for Billet Labs, and to actually get better videos their team is proud of, then it's worth it. A few dislikes on a few videos aren't going to kill them, but they might (hopefully) help them realize that they need to do better.
@@benderrodriguez4107to be honest I’ve not been liking their videos for a while now, their focus on quantity over quality is clearly showing and even if they apologize now, it’ll just seem like they’re trying to avoid backlash. This initial response has shown me everything about current LTT and how it’s fallen from grace
@Soosss not a linus fan (far from it) but as a fellow business owner I think linus was going to try fix it as chief vision officer spending more time QAing videos etc but it had been going on way too long ans way too obviously for them to get away with it that lightly
I think many viewers were already noticing the decline in video quality the last couple of years. Now with someone calling out the genuine mistakes and irresponsible behavior maybe LMG is not running as smooth as we thought.
@@jedidoesstuff Yeah but their graphs/testing methodologies are still horrendous. The way the data in this video was presented was borderline worthless. It would almost be funny if it wasn't the case with the majority of data the Labs team puts out.
I’ve been watching LTT for around 8 years now, and will probably always be a fan, but I’m struggling to trust their data now after watching the GN video. The truth is, I (and many other people) don’t fully understand the various testing methods, and won’t know for sure if the data being presented is to be expected or trusted. It sucks to watch these videos with that layer of doubt now. I hope they address these concerns soon.
watch GN for serious indepth reviews. they explain all of their methodology on their channel and when they make updates they explain what they are and what it will look like going forward. steve and his team are the gold standard. you don't see LTT going to Intel and AMD fabrication facilities. doing walk throughs of EVGA's chip repair centers or any of that because LTT is junk content
While I don't even really focus on data that way, I can understand why it's important that it is correct for people who do, for me I am more worried that they will not address it the way that is expected and deserved. They've been reckless in what they say, and the loss of that prototype waterblock is a monumental fuck up, these are things that need accountability. It is a shame because I do still believe linus and lmg want to do good. Let's hope this isn't a great downfall.
@@foenix8094 Same. I didn't subscribe for the thinly veiled ego stroking content. I subscribed for the information, the fun was just a bonus. As more trivial content got churned out, less and less attention and research was spent on ensuring quality of the technical content. The focus shifted further away from integrity and towards entertainment. We might be witnessing the downfall of LMG.
they cant have it back, it was auctioned off to some random fan at ltx. Edit: there are rights in an auction, it's not like a party can cancel the auction after someone has paid and sent money.
@@rekt_ggyeah they can easily get it back from the fan, you really think they didn't get all of their info when they got it? I bet they have address phone number all the good stuff
They should put a disclaimer in front of the video that none of their expensive Lab results have to be right since they're LTT and therefore known for making mistakes (as mentioned by Linus on his forum post)
that would be problem for him as well. he would contradict himself, when he already did it ten times himself in the space of 2 days either contradict what he said yesterday, 2 days ago, or few months...
@@johnappleseed6926"disclainer: this video is made only for entertainment purposes. It should no be taken seriously. For objective data and information, please refer to Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed video on the topic."
As a professional audio engineer, I can confirm never buy a Blue Yeti, terrible mic on any measurement, usb, price or otherwise. This FiFine sounds er, Fine, but if you are a singer not just a chatter, I would recommend to spend nearer 100 to can get an actual good and well made usb mic like the rode NT-USB, or the Sennheiser Profile. They are made by actual mic companies! they last, and can deliver 'studio' grade sound in a good room.
TH-camrs who act like Adblock is theft have a major entitlement problem, so it actually makes perfect sense he'd think he's entitled to -sell- auction off other people's stuff.
Linus has literally done reaction videos without showing any ads from the video he's reacting to. By his words, that's like he was forcing his audience to pirate those videos!
I find it baffling how Linus will say they spare no expense for equipment and thousands of dollars are rounding errors, but paying a few hundred dollars to get a video right is just too much. They're moving too fast and making avoidable mistakes. I hope they can improve from what GN has said and not duck their head in the sand, especially with the mishandeling of Billet Labs which is seriously messed up.
There may be a push to create as many vids as possible to boost company worth if they have investors. The investment may not be directly with the channel (g probably don't allow it) but by other means
The cost he was complaining about was the cost of a 3090 ti. That isn't a sunk cost for them. It can be resold. It can be used in other videos. It can be placed in an employees computer. It can be auctioned. Pretty lame of him to act like the cost of the 3090 would be a sunk cost for 1 video.
Linus has broken my hearts. I have been watching LTT for 4 years. At least i watched 300+ of their videos😢😢. But After I watched the gamers nexus video, I feel like im getting scam like I have been watching his videos for 4 years and you are telling these videos has mistake in it. No bro.😢
Now we find out that Linus didn't offer to reimburse Billet until AFTER GN's video came out. This is getting worse and worse. Linus has said he's not going to cover it on WAN and while most of us would like to see him talk about it, I actually think it's for the best if he doesn't. He's become a liability. He needs to say nothing and let the CEO handle it because the more Linus talks, the bigger the hole gets.
Two guys trying to start a company, LTT screws them over in a review of their prototype by using an incompatible GPU. The agreement was that they, Billet, receive their waterblock back because it’s their one and only best prototype they have, but LTT decided, and without the permission off the owners, to auction it at LTX. Now Billet is screwed because their prized prototype is gone and most possible auctioned to a competitor company to be cloned. Years of hard work, dedication, and dreams crushed by the guys they most likely looked up to. as a long time viewer i feel very disapointed on your response and dammage handling
So how should they have responded to that company? Specifically from the post it seems that there was a communication mistake that happened with both companies. LMG seems to have reached out to the company and offered to pay them whatever price they deemed appropriate for the value of the lost prototype iteration before GN made the first video. This specific issue doesn't seem to happen frequently. Not only have they shown their inventory and product handling process, but have shown to consistently been improving it over the years. Is it a perfect solution? No. But there is no way to wave a wand and undo what has happened.
then why let it happen on the first place? you cant put price on intelectual property until is pattented and now the competitor has a hold of the product.@@dragonhero14
@@dragonhero14The way to respond is by not auctioning off other companies' prototypes without their permission. A company sends something to you they've been working on for years, it's their most refined version of the product so far and they really want your feedback.... You then shit all over their product and give their prototype away.... And you're trying to defend this somehow? And LMG didn't agree to pay them until after the GN video. Not okay in any way; pretty deplorable behavior.
@@Daniele858585 a messed up situation you could say if they would have received a 'not the best prototype' and the lose it in their storage and decide to compensate for it, you can say "well, it wasn't that bad but could have been better" here you can say "this sh*t is the worst a reviewer can do a company" they decided because of the poor mind of Linus to throw the sh*t out of them because he said to do that and after that he decided to auction it, that is just a terrible thing and to do that with a one of a kind prototype a company has, oh boy! that can't go even more rock bottom than it has
Not to mention that Billet Labs actually sent them a 3090ti which they didn't use because one of the staff decided to take it home and use it in their own PC.
I'm assuming labs only tested the mic at one mic gain position? Man.. watching LTT videos after watching Steve's video earlier kinda hits different. He shined a spotlight on the LMG testing flaws. Sounds like a problem for the new CEO to tackle 😎
@@iambear.6526that video was pretty much the first GN vid I've watched and he articulated something that's been becoming more and more evident over the past year or so. Not hating but I'm glad someone covered it so well, for the sake of LTT's longevity. It's been a staple of my life for years now. Would be sad to see it decline due to penny pinching and rushing.
@@iambear.6526 dude. i have watched LTT for years. ive probably wated 20, maybe 30 GN videos compared to the hundreds, possibly thousands of LTT videos ive watched from there array of channels, of which they have too many. we do not need LTT to do game news for fucks sake, we have far, far too many news outlets about games as it is, and LTT isnt even close to being as good as say, GameRanx for example. hell, even gamespot does better..... and i fully agree with everything Steve said in his video. GN isnt a cult ffs.
Ferrari sent me a prototype car. I put diesel in it, even though it’s a petrol engine. Now the car doesn’t work properly. Even if it worked properly, it’s a stupid product with terrible value. You can buy Honda civics and toyota corollas for that money and it will take you point a to b perfectly fine. By the way even though ferrari wanted their prototype back i auctioned off the prototype in a car show for charity some time ago. I will send the value of the prototype to ferrari soon. Regardless they like it or not.
at the very least, the hosts need to do enough research on the products they review. all they do is jump set from set shooting videos, and they can get away with it by reading someone elses words off a telepropmter
The Owner of a 100 million dollar company thought a corporate sounding response in a forum thread would squash all concerns from his viewers. Linus, you've become the very thing you used to make videos in the rain in Taiwan about. edit: Holy crap there's a duplicate review in 11:18. LINUS! Give your staff TIME to make quality content!
Let's be serious here, mates. Linus will not comment on the subjects criticized by GN because he does not know how to approach the situation, that's why we had the fiasco with the backpack and the "trust me bro" scandal, but also other problems along the way. I love both Linus and the team - as well as Steve and his team at GN. But he needs to understand that some things can't just be thrown under the rug as if it were "a simple mistake" or "poor communication". What are we talking about here? It's crazy that it was Steve from GN who had the guts to tell it like it is. Not packed up nicely by LMG editors, seriously. You can't just trim a clip on YT and then continue to trash the manufacturer because you failed to do your job. Just as it is not normal to "sell" the intellectual property of others at an "auction". I love you guys at LMG, but you need to come up with a better response. Not with some corporate crap we're already sick of.
the problem here man, is that Linus is 100% responsible for what they do and not do with al the things at LMG so what happened with Billet is 100% his responsability, and with other things like they do a video that has an error, they all know it has it, but they throw it away because he is not spending extra time and money to do it right, like this video, he should make a video making himself accountable for all this things, that he is not doing because of his own sake, because i saw one clip of GN where Linus was throwing BS to the cooler and the man who is with him had a face like "for god's sake take me out of here" nobody wants to keep working there with Linus because he is not like before anymore, so he failed, he should let everybody do their job like is supposed to and move away from there, he alone is killing this channel
You know how Post Malone just told Joe Rogan on their most recent podcast about NPC streaming and "hate watching?" Well the view count on this video seems like it's a whole lotta "hate watching"
It's so sad to see how LTT has changed adopting all the scammy practices of big corporations. Not taking accountability, wanting more profit over anything else. Such a shame
yes more interested in growth, and quantity over quality. its honestly getting harder and harder to watch LTT vids since they have become more ads than content
@@joeeyaura I found a solution to that, i just don't watch it anymore :D Unsubscribtion is free thankfully, even LTT would be able to justify that cost!
That waterblock startup must've taken an irrecoverable hit from the video you made about their prototype that you didn't test according to what they said it's made for. Your channel holds so much power in the tech space, I've been a viewer since the early NCIX days and I've got to say that I'm disappointed to say the least.
11:17 the hyper focus on the quality of info presented in LTT videos today has caused me to notice that they included the same 5-star review twice for some reason
Just learned that you guys auctioned off the Billet one-of-a-kind prototype water block even though the company that sent it to you for free asked for it back when you were done with it because THEY ONLY HAD A SINGLE ONE. You also agreed to send it back, but then auctioned it off anyway without telling Billet about it. Now the company is stalled because they lost their main prototype. As someone who's been subbed to LTT for an incredibly long time at this point, I am furious. This is beyond unethical at this point and LTT should face serious backlash. You don't just destroy a startup company for no reason and then keep going like you did nothing wrong.
They didn't destroy them, Billet had all the schematics and ways of rebuilding the block lol. You could even buy one on the website. Was LMG in the wrong yes but they also gave Billet a blank check.
They auctioned it off to charity by accident, and they told Billet Labs to quote them for the lost prototype and they'd pay whatever number they came up with.
Please guys, 3 good, researched, planned and corrected videos a week is better than 6 low quality rushed videos. I think I speak for almost all of us when I say I'd rather see a longer, higher quality release once every couple days than the short low quality daily videos. As much as I love watching every LTT video a day, it's super annoying seeing these issues and the videos seemingly abruptly cutting to sponsor without actually ending and giving us closure. Edit: we probably won't see this though, because as many have pointed out the view income would drop and therefore they may not be able to pay all the employees. Sadly ltt has become income first viewer second
You say 3 well-researched videos are better than 6 bad ones but that’s from our perspective-the viewer. For Linus he makes twice as much money when he releases 6 videos. And the videos get views whether they are accurate or not. Sadly, LTT is a company that values revenue first
@@SeanMcCaffrey4 I agree, whether or not we see a slow down in production comes down to 'can we continue to pay all of our employees' (well over 100 now, I believe) and I think they've built up too much, too quickly for that to be a real possibility. I think they could manage it, but it won't be easy (financially) on their end.
I remember him talking about the abrupt cuts to sponsor on the WAN show a couple years ago. It's so that the viewer never feels that the video is about to end. So it's all for viewer retention throughout the video. When YT recommends videos, it usually does it on a couple things, likes and views are some of them, but another huge one is how many viewers stayed through the whole video. A lot of people may not know this, and it was a shock to me until I started making videos myself, but I can see how many people leave one of my videos within the first 10 seconds and it's usually about 50%. LTT might have different numbers, but if I get a few thousand views on a video, 1,500 of those views left in the first 10 seconds. So keeping the viewer retention graph as high for as long as possible is a big player in YT recommending your videos to other people.
If there is even a kernel of truth in what Madison just posted on her Twitter a few hours ago about her experience working at LMG, this company is in severe trouble.
Auctioning off other companies' tech is the least of Linus' worries. Madison is dropping nukes on Twitter. It's all kinds of messed up what went on in LMG
Just like all the other big tech channels, you shouldn't be using TH-cam channels with conflicts of interest to determine where your money goes. LTT, GN, Jayztwocents, hardware unboxed all have conflicts of interest and if you think any of them are above that conflict of interest; you need to re-evaluate how you place your trust. Tech videos on TH-cam are just for entertainment, if a creator is taking sponsorships from companies that make products in the same category as products that creator reviews, your trust in their impartiality should drop to 0 immediately, otherwise you're just another sucker, repeating a tale as old as currency itself.
Holy crap, literally the moment I finished watching Gamer's Nexus criticism video on LTT, I popped over to watch this and already there's flaws in how the product is reviewed/evaluated by the LTT team. What kind of coincidence is that?
@thenutsonyourchin true. They are an institution in this space at this point, but unless they make changes I will be much more selective about what videos I watch of theirs, i.e. only the ones that are more comedy than analyses or review.
The Amazon 5 star review showcase has the same review twice. Of course, everyone is a lot more critical today than usual, but it also shows that GN is right about their criticism.
Amazon reviews mean nothing. Sellers can pay for people to "purchase" items and post postive reivews. LTT is more and more like these hedge fund firms I am familiar with.
@@jchen666 I don't care about that, it's about the production value of the video and how staff has complained about not having enough time to make the videos as good as they could be. It's a sloppy editing mistake.
@@DantesGrill What do you expect. They are a mid size company now. Maximizing profit is their top prioity. They need to add more people or reduce the video output. But I doubt they would be willing to take a hit on revenue tho.
@@jchen666 And that's gonna affect quality, which is gonna affect reputation. However Linus decides to solve this is up to him, it's none of my business. People not being able to trust him, bro, is gonna cause a hit on revenue either way.
So I watch both gamers' nexus and linus tech tips, and I believe that Steve has some very solid arguments. I also think I have seen more and more videos that seem too rushed, and was disappointed with the 3090 vs 4090 waterblock issue. Then all the on screen corrections I must be missing because I mostly watch/listen while doing chores. I love the more creative videos, but the informative ones have lacked enough quality control.
tbf, you bring up a great point in that not everyone watches the video. a lot of people listen to it while doing things, so really, the on screen corrections just arent acceptable for any kind of review focused media outlet
over half the shit GN said was nothing new. He just dramatized it to cause shit because he got his feefees hurt when an LMG employee made an off the cuff comment about him
Linus also has a solid argument, he posted it on ltt forms. He payed (still in the process) Billet back for the water block and he said it was auctioned for charity becasue of "miscommunication". He is disappointed Steve (even though he has his number) didn't reach out for comment to get both sides of the story (like proper journalist do). As for Inaccuracies he said labs is "a work in progress that is very much not done and that we've communicated needs to be treated as such". His reasoning for not making larger changes and just putting text corrections up "Listing the wrong amount of cache on a table for a CPU review is sloppy, but given that our conclusions are drawn based on our testing, not the spec sheet, it doesn't materially change the recommendation." and "That doesn't mean these things don't matter." He goes into more depth about other things his response is like 9 paragraphs, I'd recommend you look it up rather than just going over my comment because there is more.
I agree, Linus needs to address regarding rushed schedule, inaccurate testing, and doubling down on bad takes, I love Linus Tech Tips but these are the 3 things Linus needs to fix and another thing that will put use to future scenarios if a testing gets labeled as inaccurate LMG should learn from it rather than doubling down by that case even best tech creators make mistakes
Its funny how Linus will not talk about the current GN controversy on the wan show (as outlined in a response in an LTT forum) but is more than enthusiastic in regularly calling out companies and people. Linus persona is falling apart real fast
Linus should know ignoring GN isn't going to make the controversy go away. Or the perception that his content is infotainment and not to be trusted for accuracy at all. The internet is going to run wild with that. The labs are useless if they don't have the time to test or represent the tests properly. If this is how they want to make videos they never should have invested in the labs at all.
What really bothered me with his response was his statement that he’s not afraid of answering questions, yet he won’t talk about it on the platform that actually allows his audience to ask him questions.
@@utubekullanicisiLinus' statement: "There won't be a big WAN Show segment about this or anything. Most of what I have to say, I've already said, and I've done so privately. To Steve, I expressed my disappointment that he didn't go through proper journalistic practices in creating this piece. He has my email and number (along with numerous other members of our team) and could have asked me for context that may have proven to be valuable (like the fact that we didn't 'sell' the monoblock, but rather auctioned it for charity due to a miscommunication... AND the fact that while we haven't sent payment yet, we have already agreed to compensate Billet Labs for the cost of their prototype). There are other issues, but I've told him that I won't be drawn into a public sniping match over this and that I'll be continuing to move forward in good faith as part of 'Team Media'. When/if he's ready to do so again I'll be ready. To my team (and my CEO's team, but realistically I was at the helm for all of these errors, so I need to own it), I stressed the importance of diligence in our work because there are so many eyes on us. We are going through some growing pains - we've been very public about them in the interest of transparency - and it's clear we have some work to do on internal processes and communication. We have already been doing a lot of work internally to clean up our processes, but these things take time. Rome wasn't built in a day, but that's no excuse for sloppiness. Now, for my community, all I can say is the same things I always say. We know that we're not perfect. We wear our imperfection on our sleeves in the interest of ensuring that we stay accountable to you. But it's sad and unfortunate when this transparency gets warped into a bad thing. The Labs team is hard at work hard creating processes and tools to generate data that will benefit all consumers - a work in progress that is very much not done and that we've communicated needs to be treated as such. Do we have notes under some videos? Yes. Is it because we are striving for transparency/improvement? Yeah... What we're doing hasn't been in many years, if ever.. and we would make a much larger correction if the circumstances merited it. Listing the wrong amount of cache on a table for a CPU review is sloppy, but given that our conclusions are drawn based on our testing, not the spec sheet, it doesn't materially change the recommendation. That doesn't mean these things don't matter. We've set KPIs for our writing/labs team around accuracy, and we are continually installing new checks and balances to ensure that things continue to get better. If you haven't seen the improvement, frankly I wonder if you're really looking for it... The thoroughness that we managed on our last handful of GPU videos is getting really incredible given the limited time we have for these embargoes. I'm REALLY excited about what the future will hold. With all of that said, I still disagree that the Billet Labs video (not the situation with the return, which I've already addressed above) is an 'accuracy' issue. It's more like I just read the room wrong. We COULD have re-tested it with perfect accuracy, but to do so PROPERLY - accounting for which cases it could be installed in (none) and which radiators it would be plumbed with (again... mystery) would have been impossible... and also didn't affect the conclusion of the video... OR SO I THOUGHT... I wanted to evaluate it as a product, and as a product, IF it could manage to compete with the temperatures of the highest end blocks on the planet, it still wouldn't make sense to buy... so from my point of view, re-testing it and finding out that yes, it did in fact run cooler made no difference to the conclusion, so it didn't really make a difference. Adam and I were talking about this today. He advocated for re-testing it regardless of how non-viable it was as a product at the time and I think he expressed really well today why it mattered. It was like making a video about a supercar. It doesn't mater if no one watching will buy it. They just wanna see it rip. I missed that, but it wasn't because I didn't care about the consumer.. it was because I was so focused on how this product impacted a potential buyer. Either way, clearly my bad, but my intention was never to harm Billet Labs. I specifically called out their incredible machining skills because I wanted to see them create something with a viable market for it and was hoping others would appreciate the fineness of the craftsmanship even if the product was impractical. I still hope they move forward building something else because they obviously have talent and I've watched countless niche water cooling vendors come and go. It's an astonishingly unforgiving market. Either way, I'm sorry I got the community's priorities mixed-up on this one, and that we didn't show the Billet in the best light. Our intention wasn't to hurt anyone. We wanted no one to buy it (because it's an egregious waste of money no matter what temps it runs at) and we wanted Billet to make something marketable (so they can, y'know, eat). With all of this in mind, it saddens me how quickly the pitchforks were raised over this. It also comes across a touch hypocritical when some basic due diligence could have helped clarify much of it. I have a LONG history of meeting issues head on and I've never been afraid to answer questions, which lands me in hot water regularly, but helps keep me in tune with my peers and with the community. The only reason I can think of not to ask me is because my honest response might be inconvenient. We can test that... with this post. Will the "It was a mistake (a bad one, but a mistake) and they're taking care of it" reality manage to have the same reach? Let's see if anyone actually wants to know what happened. I hope so, but it's been disheartening seeing how many people were willing to jump on us here. Believe it or not, I'm a real person and so is the rest of my team. We are trying our best, and if what we were doing was easy, everyone would do it. Today sucks. Thanks for reading this." My take is ltt has time to change, but linus dosent seem interested. The statement was made 12 hours ago the video has gained significant momentum since then so hopefully it becomes something ltt cant ignore. For those saying it is gn getting jealous, you haven't understood what gn is saying. Ltt has a huge reach and massive presence it regularly lights fires under company's to get them to change. If they are entering the space of detailed reviews they need to be true and accurate. From Gn's video we can see they are not. Anybody who says this is gn being unhappy about labs is mistaken and a biased LTT fanboy. You lose nothing by this video being published there is no benefit to GN, this is for the benefit of the consumer and the audience. Linus' comments indicate that he doesn't intend to make a significant change which has significantly reduced my faith in labs. LTT need to address this and state what they are going to change, Or risk jeopardising the future of labs and LMG's credibility.
Just read the channel's bio and they have lost sight of their own mission: Linus Tech Tips is a passionate team of "professionally curious" experts in consumer technology and video production who aim to educate and entertain. 1) Professionally curious? Not enough to retest with the correct graphics card 2) Experts in consumer tech? Perhaps but not applied 3) Experts in video production? If failure to produce accurate reviews in fantastic production quality counts, sure. 4) Educate? With blatant misinformation and negligence, and then intentionally withholding on truth and/or accountability and responsibility for misinformation The only thing they did is entertain by pissing on themselves. Respect for Linus is lost, he's lost in the dough.
Linus has always set an abritary number on the amount of videos they need to do a week, claiming its what the audience expects. However the audience also expects quality. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. Halving the number of videos you make per week could be a good thing. For better quality, and so employees at LMG can not feel rushed.
Not all the employees will benefit... because if you half the amount of videos, you'll have to sack a bunch of them. I've seen this argument so much over the past 24 hours... "Make less videos, easy!" .... That's not how companies like LTT work, they plan things based on revenue projections. (Well, I hope they do :D) so they're kind of stuck with the video amount to a certain degree, at least they are unless they want to make some really hard calls I imagine.
There is something to consider here that not enough people seem to be. Linus Media Group is a machine (company); in order to sustain the overhead associated with 120+ employees, they must continue producing (We are talking about the number of sponsor spots, merchandise sales, etc.). Do I think quality is suffering as a result of the fast pace? Of course Do I wish they produced less content at higher quality? Yes Would I support LMG's downsizing (20-40%) to achieve that goal and sustainably run the company? Yes Is it fair for me to ask them, a company, to do that (not to mention the disruption to employees)? Of course not It is a tricky issue... big company, big problems.
Great so this is being blamed on us now I just want to say that i have been opposing both the upload schedule and the clickbaity thumbnails and title since 2016. Dont pin this on me Linus! Sod off!
@@BlenderBrit I never said sack anyone. Just give people more time. If they need to keep the same upload schedule then they need to start planning a video more than a week in advance. They used to upload 7 videos a week, upon hiring more people they are attempting to upload more and more per week. This arbritary number of videos per week only seems to keep growing. Are revenue targets so important that its at the expense of the quality or validatiy of the content produced? Humans are not robots.
Don't even have to be half. Even a reduction of 20% could help relieve the primary issue of quality. Steve at GN is a bit too salty. LTT needs to do better but it's not like it's a giant deal. Most viewers know a good chunk of LTT is entertainment focused.
I've been watching LTT since 2015, and was grateful for you protecting us from exactly the bad types of corporations that you have become. You've lost my insignificant sub, I wont let the door hit me on the way out.
@@alfyb4512"return youtube dislike" extension on browsers, it's ai and community driven, so we won't know the real numbers, but a lot of his (former) fans use it to his recommandation so there's some truth in those numbers
Linus's response was crazy. How can you hold me accountable... you had my number.. we could have talked about it first. People, how can you turn on me so quickly....we are people. Address no good points and had such a i dont care ill give them money for their prototype to shut up. Such a big corporate thing to do.
I agree 100%. I was so baffled with the response. Like what?! I've been with this (and other) channel(s) almost since the start. I thought I knew these guys and would never do something like this. Whoops...
@Gogo8mkd I really felt disappointed. I've been seeing him since his NCIX days. I want nothing but the best for him, but I think youtube got to him, and we are seeing the hero become the villain.
Please give your team more time to make content they can be proud of. The next product launch can wait. 11+ videos a week can wait. Get your core content back in order and take more pride in due diligence and your employees. LTT was great when LTT cared and took time to do what they do. Nearly every piece of content from LTT can be broken down to "This thing coincidentally broke", "I spent HOW much??", and "I water-cooled my pc with a pool simply because", with no evergreen or informational content being produced with any kind of regularity. Further, while I'm not a GN fan, your response of "they didn't do due diligence" is a bad one. They had no responsibility to contact you and they took all of the evidence that the public sees and boiled it down into a cohesive video. You guys did dumb/bad things, they called LMG out for it, and that's okay. Not everyone is out to get you; most people just want good content that doesn't actively harm other people for no reason. Lastly, constant, often, and repeated corrections should not be a status quo. Every now and again, sure, who cares. But, when you actively say something harming to a brand or product in video and then correct it with text at the bottom, you are taking a lazy and lackluster approach to journalism. Is this all a big deal? Each individual one, in a vacuum, can be excused and fixed. All of these combined shows a greater problem. This will inevitably blow over and be a nothing burger, but selling a small companies only prototype and then being heated that people are mad about it is an insane take. Improperly testing a product, giving it a bad word (regardless if it actually made a difference), and being heated when you're called out for it is an insane take. Being content with crunch, lackluster content, rushed testing, lazy corrections, and being heated when you're called out for it and excusing it because "growing pains" is an insane take. I genuinely enjoy content produced by LMG as a whole, but I had noticed the crazy amount of corrections, rushed content, and "meh" inspiring content before GN spoke out about it. I thought that there was a lack of content because of the focus on labs, but it seems more like bad communication from Linus, crunch for writers and editors, and a mindset of quantity over quality has been the contributing factor. LMG can do better, and it should do better. This is a transitional period, but that is not an excuse for bad reporting. I have faith that it *can* get better, but only a few can decide if it *will* get better or if it will be brushed under the rug and be allowed to just blow over.
Well put. I really hope the criticism is taken seriously at least internally. Shooting the messenger doesn't help. Sloppy videos like those exposed by GN can annihilate the substantial investments LMG made to the labs. Investing millions in automatic testing, a sound testing chamber, lab staff and more, and then not investing enough time in the actual end product to uphold the same standards makes no sense from any perspective. If the reviews aren't seen as trustable, no amount of spending on lab equipment can fix that.
LTT was way better before they went this big. I haven't even been watching these videos lately but the clips displayed in Gamer Nexus' recent rant clearly shows LMG has grown into corporate size and behaves like it. Gamers are better served by tubers that care for truth and facts more than just the bottom line!
Remember Linus, don’t compromise integrity and quality because of greed. You started this channel because you cared about quality informative content, Dont exploit your workforce, fk sponsors, fk whoever is pushing quantity over quality. 2 good videos might not make you the money of 5 pushed videos, but if thats your focus you’ll become one more youtuber.
10:33 You should plot any data which is measured against angle in a polar plot (R,θ). The thing you want to show here is called directivity plot (gain, θ).
That's too much accurate information for Linus to handle so he's gonna just have to be disappointed that you said this in a public post instead of emailing him directly about it.
I just wonder how big of a deal and how many videos and rants in the wan show wouldn’t linus have done if someone who he sent a screwdriver prototype in good faith: 1.released a video saying never to buy this screwdriver even if its not the finished product after they “tested it” hammering nails. 2.didn’t returned a needed and one of a kind prototype. 3.“auctioned” without permission as if the loner prototype was their propriety no matter where the funds go to.
This is gonna be a rough week or two for LMG lmao. Disappointing response from Linus on forums but, no doubt they're just gonna keep their head down and attempt to weather it. Which will probably work.
Probably will but I don't think in the long run their reputation will grow. I know others who've had a bad feeling about him for a few years similar to myself and you have to ask why.
Hopefully its a rough future for LMG, a company of this size deserves long-term repercussions for long-term harmful misinformation and potentially disinformation.
@@ltipst2962 This exactly. I have been a fan of Linus for over a decade and certain things have had me feeling iffy about all this expansion. Things feeling less personal, Linus being there as a required face to read a script prepared by a writer. The entire point of TH-cam was to have that sense of informality and connection to the host - over what was previously available. Now it just feels like it is regressing to something like the very NCIX channel that Linus left. Seems like when you turn a TH-cam channel corporate, you lose the plot a bit - and your audience is MOST DEFINITELY going to notice.
If nobody has learned from Bud Lite, anything can spiral downward fast if responsibility isn't taken. Start hemorrhaging subs and views? That's gonna start to hurt long-term.
And they'll know nothing has changed really, after all he said after the fact and how in reality everyone wants old Linus and old LTT back where one or 3 dudes were running the show, not 120+!
@@ltipst2962I started watching un 2019. I can't say for the quality of his old content. They should move from 6 to 5 main video by week. They need to adjuste their workflow asap.
Hope you guys directly respond to the criticism and do something about it. Really sucks to see a group i put trust in not do the right things and presents themselves as "for the consumer." I hope with time you guys can improve.
From the forum: There won't be a big WAN Show segment about this or anything. Most of what I have to say, I've already said, and I've done so privately. To Steve, I expressed my disappointment that he didn't go through proper journalistic practices in creating this piece. He has my email and number (along with numerous other members of our team) and could have asked me for context that may have proven to be valuable (like the fact that we didn't 'sell' the monoblock, but rather auctioned it for charity due to a miscommunication... AND the fact that while we haven't sent payment yet, we have already agreed to compensate Billet Labs for the cost of their prototype). There are other issues, but I've told him that I won't be drawn into a public sniping match over this and that I'll be continuing to move forward in good faith as part of 'Team Media'. When/if he's ready to do so again I'll be ready. To my team (and my CEO's team, but realistically I was at the helm for all of these errors, so I need to own it), I stressed the importance of diligence in our work because there are so many eyes on us. We are going through some growing pains - we've been very public about them in the interest of transparency - and it's clear we have some work to do on internal processes and communication. We have already been doing a lot of work internally to clean up our processes, but these things take time. Rome wasn't built in a day, but that's no excuse for sloppiness. Now, for my community, all I can say is the same things I always say. We know that we're not perfect. We wear our imperfection on our sleeves in the interest of ensuring that we stay accountable to you. But it's sad and unfortunate when this transparency gets warped into a bad thing. The Labs team is hard at work hard creating processes and tools to generate data that will benefit all consumers - a work in progress that is very much not done and that we've communicated needs to be treated as such. Do we have notes under some videos? Yes. Is it because we are striving for transparency/improvement? Yeah... What we're doing hasn't been in many years, if ever.. and we would make a much larger correction if the circumstances merited it. Listing the wrong amount of cache on a table for a CPU review is sloppy, but given that our conclusions are drawn based on our testing, not the spec sheet, it doesn't materially change the recommendation. That doesn't mean these things don't matter. We've set KPIs for our writing/labs team around accuracy, and we are continually installing new checks and balances to ensure that things continue to get better. If you haven't seen the improvement, frankly I wonder if you're really looking for it... The thoroughness that we managed on our last handful of GPU videos is getting really incredible given the limited time we have for these embargoes. I'm REALLY excited about what the future will hold.
With all of that said, I still disagree that the Billet Labs video (not the situation with the return, which I've already addressed above) is an 'accuracy' issue. It's more like I just read the room wrong. We COULD have re-tested it with perfect accuracy, but to do so PROPERLY - accounting for which cases it could be installed in (none) and which radiators it would be plumbed with (again... mystery) would have been impossible... and also didn't affect the conclusion of the video... OR SO I THOUGHT...
I wanted to evaluate it as a product, and as a product, IF it could manage to compete with the temperatures of the highest end blocks on the planet, it still wouldn't make sense to buy... so from my point of view, re-testing it and finding out that yes, it did in fact run cooler made no difference to the conclusion, so it didn't really make a difference.
Adam and I were talking about this today. He advocated for re-testing it regardless of how non-viable it was as a product at the time and I think he expressed really well today why it mattered. It was like making a video about a supercar. It doesn't mater if no one watching will buy it. They just wanna see it rip. I missed that, but it wasn't because I didn't care about the consumer.. it was because I was so focused on how this product impacted a potential buyer. Either way, clearly my bad, but my intention was never to harm Billet Labs. I specifically called out their incredible machining skills because I wanted to see them create something with a viable market for it and was hoping others would appreciate the fineness of the craftsmanship even if the product was impractical. I still hope they move forward building something else because they obviously have talent and I've watched countless niche water cooling vendors come and go. It's an astonishingly unforgiving market.
Either way, I'm sorry I got the community's priorities mixed-up on this one, and that we didn't show the Billet in the best light. Our intention wasn't to hurt anyone. We wanted no one to buy it (because it's an egregious waste of money no matter what temps it runs at) and we wanted Billet to make something marketable (so they can, y'know, eat).
With all of this in mind, it saddens me how quickly the pitchforks were raised over this. It also comes across a touch hypocritical when some basic due diligence could have helped clarify much of it. I have a LONG history of meeting issues head on and I've never been afraid to answer questions, which lands me in hot water regularly, but helps keep me in tune with my peers and with the community. The only reason I can think of not to ask me is because my honest response might be inconvenient.
We can test that... with this post. Will the "It was a mistake (a bad one, but a mistake) and they're taking care of it" reality manage to have the same reach? Let's see if anyone actually wants to know what happened. I hope so, but it's been disheartening seeing how many people were willing to jump on us here. Believe it or not, I'm a real person and so is the rest of my team. We are trying our best, and if what we were doing was easy, everyone would do it. Today sucks.
I got rid of my husband's new mic on ebay....he was angry at first because he thought I'd sold it, but when he found out I'd only auctioned it, he was perfectly happy.
XDD
What a punchline.
nice
Lmao
But was it for charity?
Linus once said that we should judge a company based on how they respond to criticisms. I guess now we know what kind of company LMG is.
not a drama channel, that's for sure
@@dutubenbenutzer9 Nor an accurate tech test channel.
it is obvious that LMG puts making money with clickbait videos over honesty and integrity.
they don't even care if they destroy a new company with their incompetent false reviews if they get some more views on TH-cam
copied and pasted comment from gamer nexus video
LTT has always been a pandering company more interested in getting laughs and views than in integrity. Its the Linus way.
WAN show this weekend gunna be lit
"How I'm right and GN is wrong". There I saved timestamp guy a lot of work.
He said on the LTT forum he won't be covering the drama on WAN show
Right? Really hoping Linus sees the issue and comes to terms with what's going on.
This upcoming WAN show might be the last LMG video I watch. We’ll see how it goes lol.
He said he wasn't even gonna talk about it on wan show and made a lame response on LTT fourm
It's funny that about 2 weeks ago, Linus made a video testing their sponsors. Yet the only company He really needs to test is their own 😅
Well they spoonfed the ASUS supporter and rated them 4/5. Guess when ASUS pays the bills you can't give them bad reviews.
The ASUS forum is littered with complaints about terrible support, hardware failures, the new ROG Ally killing it's own SD card port. What do you hear from LMG? Only praise because well, they know who pays the bills and sends free hardware.
@@martinsnow6641 jayz2c dumped asus and said no to ALOOOOT of money after the exploding cpu socket fiasco, thats real tegridy right there, linus glanced over this event rather fast likely because yeah like u said, asus big sponsor.
That video was the one that made me start questioning LTT's ethics. They were waaaay too kind to ASUS for their abyssmal customer service.
@@martinsnow6641he actually gave a 3/5 which is still pretty high
hows gamersnexus meat feel bro
For your polar pattern testing, please use a directivity graph for better representation. You can do this by rotating the mic around a fixed point, then loading the data into VituixCAD and exporting a normalized directivity graph, including contour lines. The same method works for speakers, as shown in the CEA-2034 documentation.
it's pretty funny how often random youtube commenters have advice for better testing methodology when linus is paying dozens of "expert" employees for his LTT labs
@@yobsonfuckin' too true, so embarrassing they spend such insane money
@@yobson i mean, i dont dissagree. but at the same time. the lab is currently being set up still. i have no doubt that they plan on extending the test suite in the future. imo, the labs shouldnt be being used for things like this yet. i think the fact they are still working out what labs is and how it operates is why we see so many errors. doesnt excuse the handling of the errors though
tbh, they should employ you instead no joke, really great advice for polar pattern testing.
@@leelester69As stated in the video "we haven't begun testing microphones in full and don't have all of the testing equipment set up yet."
In other words, they're literally setting things up and using general testing and graphing, atm.
I know there’s a lot of controversy going on right now, but I want to give some feedback on the microphone testing - For the polar pattern, that’s not usually how those are graphed. As a professional audio engineer I found it difficult to understand, so I can see this being very confusing to the average consumer. I suggest using the type of graphs / visuals pro audio manufacturers ship with their microphones. Those are pretty easy to understand even at a glance.
Bold of you to assume they'll listen to any feedback 💀
As a fellow audio engineer and sound designer I agree that it was not the optimal way to show a consumer polar patterns. It was interesting to see I suppose.
as a not fellow audio engineer or sound designer but someone who's seen polar patterns displayed on polar graphs, i'm surprised they didn't use a... well, polar graph to show the polar pattern
@@hiddendriftsThere is no excuse not to considering two things
1. Desmos exists
2. They employ actual engineers
@@ltipst2962 You telling peeps to not watch LTT, but YOU ARE HERE. lols
As an experienced audio engineer I was disappointed with the complete lack of mentioning the distortion. While I do agree with the conclusion, it's a great mic for the price, you massively undervalued the RE20 or the MKH50 here. They sound way cleaner and more precise.
I am aware the problem on the FiFine this is likely the preamp or ADC rather than the mic itself, but since it's integrated in the mic it's still part of it.
I would wager he's just clipping something later on. It's hard to make a mic capsule distort in front of guitar amps if you set the gain properly, let alone speaking volume. He could be clipping the internal DAC but that is even more worrisome when he can't even get the gain right to avoid clipping. Bottom line, this is almost 100% user error.
It's most probably the capule, maybe a little the amp but definitely not the ADC, converters are the least contributors to the sound with modern audio products.
@@andrew6978 Gain has nothing to do with the capsule distorted,
I think what @vincentvanzwietenOFFICIAL was referring to is not distortion of high SPL, More like THD (total harmonic distortion)
@@xfghffhfg Did I say gain distorts the capsule? No. He was referring to the distortion in the video I assume, which is likely due to improper gain settings. THD is unlikely to be noticeable on youtube unless the mic is broken. The capsule of any decent mic does not distort under voice SPL. Ergo, it's gain stage issues.
"definitely not the ADC, converters are the least contributors to the sound with modern audio products."
You do realise you can easily clip ADCs? You don't seem to know what you're talking about.
You mean the good ol' ear test isn't enough?
Imagine having MILLIONS of dollars invested in a testing lab built for accuracy but not investing $500 in order to install a cpu cooler the correct way...
yep I thought the same
Yeah it feels like they're missing the forest for the trees.
GPU*
Yeah, that hit me as absurd immediately. This is a dude who was offered 100,000,000$ for his company willfully spreading misinformation because it would have cost 500$ "in employee time".
Also he's a fucking creep apparently.
It was a GPU cooler. You’re clearly fake angry
As the electricity bill is likely more than $500 we should be glad they bothered to turn the product on.
ha ha ha
😂😂😂
Epic.
S tier comment
LOL
Truth.
Linus: "My company is valued at $100 million."
Also Linus: "I can't afford to spend $500 to retest."
Dude what if he owes money to the chinese mafia or something?
@@tombickers you mean his wife?
Company's valuation and money on hand are two different things. A few weeks ago he did sale with free shipping to help with liquidity. imho he invested too much with LABs, backpacks, screwdrivers and other stuff and may be having money problems rn. That would explain the hustle to release video after video and his grumble that he cannot slow down
Linus will get the test wrong anyway.
Guy so cheap he can’t hire movers he used his lmg employees to move him into his new house lol
“We didn’t sell it, we auctioned it!”
- Linus on his ethics and accountability
Yeah, just wow. After watching Linus for 10+ years, i won’t anymore after this.
He must have gone to the Amber Heard School of Vocabulary
@@Iram_Deum😂
I love this quote, but for the sake of a fair argument the full quote is “We didn’t sell it, we auctioned it for charity”
@@BagOfH0ldingwhich is even worse, because it's like they're trying to make the company look bad for wanting their prototype back.
To be fair, blue yeti is one of those cases when it's never been such a great value, but it got popular for reasons
And as of today, there are far better options in the price range
Lol. You're commenting on the wrong video pal.
Yeti is over priced trash
No you are?@@belboy6755
@@playbookshowme484 it's really not if you download software for it.
Yeti has always been a weird one. A $129.99 msrp for a device you're only going to use like a 1/3rd of...
I never used the headphone jack except to test it, I never used any pattern other than cardioid, etc...
Granted I got it for about $80 back in 2014. I think that if I knew more about mics then I wouldn't have considered it.
As a audio professional myself, I feel very bad for the way this mic was tested.
Just curious, how should of been tested? I honestly don't have the slightest idea
The word "tested" doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
Then give a feedback on why it is bad and how can it be improved.
I do the same when some reviewer makes mistakes on things that are part of my field.
Saying x is bad because i know that, it's just bragging being a "pro".
@@Modelero I mean, not showing polar patterns in the industry standard way for decades for one. In fact, why are they even measuring polar patterns? This is usually measured by the manufacturer and given with the specs of the mic.
The lack of knowledge in this video speaks volumes!
Linus: Companies are not your friends, they are just out for your money.
Also Linus: I spend 30 million on a lab and cant afford 500$ to retest something.
I mean, at least he was right.
It wasn't even 500 bucks... He said 500 bucks worth of their time... It's not THEIR time, it's HIS time, they are at WORK, which he is paying them for...
IMAGINE what it must be like to get fair compensation or a raise or whatever out of LTT...
Am not even surprised he is this bad a person.
@@jeremytine wow you should try olympic long jumping because your jumps to conclusions are astronomically far
And then continues to have a conflict of interest with ASUS. I think that's the real crime
@@mcbriteI assume they have a pretty neat wage. Not stellar but probably not too bad either.
If Linus can't afford an extra $800 to verify their test results then why even have a lab right?
A scientist that only tests things once is not a scientist
They make 4m a year according to some ytube channel stat pages
LTT: "hurrrr durrr can't afford to pay people to make factual/quality videos but trust us bro". What kind of logic is that?
@@benderrodriguez4107 just watch more than one channel for the same product review and u can decide if it's accurate that way. The same method you should use for any product. Never trust one single review, anywhere
It's Linus logic 😂
That boom arm(from what I can see) is basically the same really extremely cheap arm that ships with most MIC kits on Amazon. It works, but those 1/4" nuts WILL back off without you noticing. It looks like they have one of the better desk clamps, so that's good.
Bought it when this video came out. Love it and still working great.
I wish your employees had more time to make their videos. I want them to make something they can be proud of.
It’s not up to him anymore
Hear hear!
(Imagine making this channel and then you and your employees all crying about having enough time to release one video. - call it a fall from grace lmao)
Steve doesn't do it so why should he?
Honestly it was really sad to hear that most of the staff don't have videos they're proud of.
@@johnparkes2452it is still up to him 100%. He's the owner, he literally can fire the CEO.
"We didn't sell it, we auctioned it"
- Linux Sebastian 2023, summarised.
@@jaminscript oh lol that's a funny typo 🤣
“I’ve pledged it”
- Linus to Billet labs
It's like "I didn't drop it, I just put it down real fast"
@@jaminscriptI wonder if it would have a GUI or if it would be just a server installation 😋
"It was for charity" That means it's all good right?? Absolute joke of a response
As a long-time viewer of LTT (7 plus years), I'm very disappointed in LTT's response to GN's video on data inaccuracy from LMG. It's not ok to ignore the facts presented and do nothing to fix these issues. I don't watch most of Gamers Nexus' content, but a 44 minute video that I didn't expect to have anything more than just "youtube drama" in it, proved to be anything but. These are real issues that need to be addressed.
Safe to say I've unsubscribed from all LTT channels. I can't support this kind of company. Sad to see someone as experienced as Linus act like such a child.
100% agree. The "response" from Linus was misleading, and inappropriate to say the least
Where can I find LTT's response?
@@V1RU5Zuk He posted on the LTT forums
@@V1RU5Zukforums. Tldr is that "yeah we didnt sell it, we just auctioned it. For charity". Take this response as you will, but irs pretty bad lol.
Billet sent a waterblock and 3090ti to test it with. Someone lost the 3090ti.
LTT was forced to shoot the video without the required products. leading to subpar review.
Someone said they'd send back the waterblock. Someone never sent back the waterblock to Billet.
Someone set up an auction and put items up for auction that should not have been. Someone mistakenly put up the waterblock for auction.
Someone should have been tracking the auction buyers. Someone lost the tracking sheet.
Seems like this whole saga was because of incompetence from the people or teams that were responsible for the above.
And of course, Linus failure of a response only made things 10 times worse.
We've all seen the tendencies the employees have had when they did their upgrade series. Multiple in-house assets stolen and brought home to use in personal rigs etc. This was pretty expected and someone's probably pretty stoked about having that 3090ti to game with, for free.
Thank you for the summary. I'm trying to figure out what happened by reading the comment section.
Well, looking at how L behaves with hardware, no wonder why. I used to work as a network technician, worked in a computer store and spent some time assembling [a lot] computers.
You left out “we didnt sell it, we auction it for charity”. Lol
He also doubled and tripled down, tested it wrong instead of spending "one hundred/five hundred dollars" reshooting with the right GPU, tested it wrong on purpose, then said it was a horrible product with no market share that nobody should buy.
Oh yeah and he's sponsored by another water block company. Cool.
It's not like people regularly spent tons of money on water blocks and hardline water cooling, it's not like he tests significantly more expensive less useful things constantly (huge fans, passive cooled cases, etc), or anything like that!
No, he was just looking out for the consumer! By:
-misrepresenting data
-falsifying and copying test results
-changing and retesting certain products to conform to manufacturer numbers rather than showing actual results
-owning stakes in companies he shills for on his channel
-reviewing a product he has bias against and fucking up all parts of use, showing a lack of competence and zero compassion for entrepreneurs trying to do something new in the PC space
-focusing 90% of content on things viewers will never afford like the 1600 dollar GPU he was misusing on the water block
No, the two guys spending time prototyping a new idea must be in the wrong! Am I so out of touch? 800 dollars for a water block is insane!!!!
There's no market share, it's for the last gen cards which surely nobody uses a year later!!!
They should have just developed and machined a prototype for the 4090, right? It's not like designing a product that is high quality takes FOREVER especially with a small team, NOOO! They shoulda just caught up.
Surely LTT designed their screwdrivers in just a couple months, and products like their backpacks never have issues.....
Now please watch me set up a million dollar NAS for a TH-camr.
Everybody makes mistakes. But never admitting when you're wrong is a bad look. Do better linus
So what did he not admit to being wrong for? Always seemed like he was good at accountabiliyy
@@ArensLive lmao linus is famously bad at accountability.
@@ArensLive He is referencing the Gamers Nexus videos, and also Linus's response to it. I won't recap the situation since Steve at Gamer Nexus does it rather articulately.
linus is a bad egg and no mistake. Take a look, he's dead behind the eyes
The real concern to linus is his money. Plain and simple. I told people this when he was pushing people to buy LGs when LG was giving him big tvs for his house, ignoring tons of issues I knew the tvs had. But LG was giving him tons of money and even appeared in their commercials. Then if you notice he almost dumps on companies to get them to pay him to shut up pretty much. He recently even dumped on iFixit in a video about his sponsors when they stopped sponsoring him because he started promoting his crazy expensive screw driver over there's while still taking their money. LMG has never been trustworthy. it was a matter of time before people noticed hes running an AD company now.
As a longtime viewer, I respect Linus and LMG a lot, as well as what they're trying to accomplish. Gamers Nexus notwithstanding, however, I've personally noticed an uneasy amount of discrepancies, corrections, and marks of rushed content throughout recent videos. As LMG grows into the technical reviewing and data collection side of things with Labs, I really do think it's important that a little extra time is taken to ensure presented information is accurate. I understand the financial reasons for releasing videos fast, but if doing so harms the legitimacy of every piece of content on the channels, it just isn't right.
For all it's worth, I work in video production (TV/streaming broadcast at the moment) and know from experience that rushing content just leads to unsatisfied employees and a needlessly stunted final product. If not from me, please take a lesson from all the game devs we criticize for rushing games-rushed content almost always shows.
I've noticed a significant decline in content quality from LMG and specifically LTT in recent months, specifically an increase in "list-style" videos which I can't even bear to watch. I grew up watching LTT and Linus lit the tech fire within me but I don't know if I can continue to support someone who pushes their employees so much for quantity when they have so much influence on their viewers and the industry as a whole.
Wholeheartedly agree. I was really hoping after the employee interview video where most of the staff all said they wished things would slow down that things might improve, but it seems the "***INSERT CORRECTION TO WHAT WAS JUST SAID HERE" happens more and more often in each video...they're all either gonna burn out, or their content will just become so riddled with mistakes that they won't be taken seriously anymore
@@zachwheeler5941 Maybe the new CEO will help... then again, wasn't he a bigwig at NCIX?
Folks told it looong time ago - "Fast bitch - blind bears".
@@InfernosReaper Allegedly, Tong was just a manager rather than an exec/investor meaning that he had no choice in the poor decisions that caused the fall off ncix.
Linus has become just like all the other big corporations.
Welcome to capitalism!
It's a shame, because I loved his videos, been watching for ages. Guess money does change people for the worse sadly. Guess he forgot that he makes videos for his viewers, not the algorithm. A content creator with this much velocity/viewerbase should know by now that being a bit late or missing a few videos isn't going to magically make everyone stop watching. Sure, you may lose a few people, but this is much worse. I wonder if he just stopped caring after he got what he wanted?
@@Stealth86651 Are you just gonna copypasta that reply to every single comment here? :/
no
exactly. I have seen(and worked) at great small to mid size companies who were bought out/merged/etc and turned into a toxic mess. This is definitely a cautionary tale.
0:30 when i saw the overall shape of this mic. I immediately saw it looked familiar.Load and behold it's the mic sitting next to me, that i never liked to use cause it captured all the sound of my laptop fans. Colour me surprised when i found out this exact microphone was made by the company who makes those kind of microphone reviewed in the video
I'm saying this out of love for the channel as I grew up watching Linus, Luke, and the overall channel grow. The following what I have to say is not out of hate but for concern and overall love as a long time fan. Before Steve's video came out, I too have noticed the amount of errors, inconsistencies, later corrections that take place, and the fact that there isn't a lot of accountability being shown really concerns me. The employees, many of which us fans respect and admire with their vast knowledge and charisma, even said that it's "quantity over quality" when it comes to the videos. If memory serves me right, back in the old LTT days, there was a time when videos weren't uploaded daily but rather I think 3-5 times per week, and the quality of the videos showed tremendously! Even back then if something was wrong, the team took accountability. But now it's seems there's been a shift. Even watching this video, there's plenty of things such as high pass filter being on or not. I know this channel isn't a mic/audio review channel, but a good example of someone who thoroughly reviews microphones and audio gear is Podcastage, who tests the equipment through various scenarios like voice, instruments, the polaroid pattern, proximity effect, etc. showing the piece of equipment's full capabilities through real case usage including people who will use it at their computer desks and visual and good representative graphs.
Now, I doubt Linus will see this, but this next part is directly to you. I'm not entirely sure what you might be thinking right now with Steve's video coming up, as well as seeing the comments from this video alone, but the voices who're telling you these things like something needs to change, "we want better quality videos", "take better accountability", etc., aren't coming out of place of hate, but concern and I would even say love. The community loves the channel, loves what you've created, what the company will become later with labs and other projects you probably have stored in the pipeline we don't even know about yet, but please take what we're saying, as fans who love this channel, into consideration. Listen to the criticism, take accountability where it's needed, and just overall strive to do better. We all want to see you succeed and continue to grow.
^^This
@@AyoSoma Reading skill issue
Touch some grass my dude
@@AyoSomayou only read manga?
they were better off without a CEO. literally turning point.
"companies should be held responsible for how they respond"
Don't you just hate it when someone catches you in the middle of your hypocrisy and uses your own words against you? 🙃
@@Zeevesso instead of evaluating the message, you attack the messenger. How quaint.
Linus is burying LTT.
@@Zeeves Steve is aiming to become a technical paper with a sprinkle of entertainment. LTT is humor with a sprinkle of misinformation.
@@Zeeves i guess that makes misleading hundreds of thousands and spreading misinformation to millions is perfectly okay as long as its "entertaining"
the propaganda department of the nearest totalitarian country would like to hire you
Are you saying that almost every yt tutorial has basically zero value on the platform?
@@Zeeves Not everyone's an infant who needs fancy colors and someone yelling all the time though. Some people actually appreciate accurate information and humility. If you think he's bad just wait until you start working.
You should make clear whether the mics are with the hi-pass filter on or off, which makes an extreme difference in the sound of the mic.
He didn't have the time to consider that.
@@thelastrhino2581He was in to much of a rush huh
@@thelastrhino2581The jokes have already started lmao
@@NiTeHaWKnz i find it funny we all watched gamers nexus then linus dropped this vid and now we all get to test it
@@bluephoneix6676 Don't worry, the irony isnt lost on me 🤣
I hate internet drama. Half the top comments are about the LMG/GN shit why hate yet still watch the shit just to complain?
They complain when they notice. I notice at watching this video and makes no difference to comment but here you are assuming wich makes you seem like you know every situation wich by you commenting about it as you noticed the comments made the same exact action they did. So you are either a hypocrite or lack common sense.
Long time viewer and have genuinely used your reviews to inform my purchases. Was so excited for labs and to see what amazing things could come out of it, but I was shocked and saddened to see the inaccuracies you’ve been pushing. I totally acknowledge that everyone makes mistakes, but the brazen lack of accountability and the crunch culture emphasised on previous videos is shocking. As someone who has experienced such a culture in a startup it’s saddening to see a company which portrays itself as being a beacon of good business practices and trust having such an issue. I love the videos and hope that the whole team can learn from this and have some introspection on what led them to this point.
They're the beacon of portrayals. That's the problem.
Unfortunately, Labs has a PR problem. Right now, Labs is just a team, the vision for Labs has not been achieved, and we are nowhere near that (1-2 yrs away, minimum). Labs (the vision of Labs Linus has) does not exist, and the testing they do today is not far off from what LMG has been doing for the past 10 years, in fast in may be suffering because they are testing new methodologies for testing, and using new equipment. Labs will take quite some time to mature into an organization that LMG is trying to build with it, now it is just a well funded startup trying to put itself together.
@@seriouscat2231at this point they should be viewed as entertainment and not factual information. If you're going to skirt issues and get called out only to avoid the topic again you shouldn't be seen as reputable. They've dug their own graves.
@@Hertaclesi'm glad they havent rolled out those public DBs. Watching several tens of mistakes being highlighted, and then the predictable pathetic response from Linus (or the lack of one) would be painful.
@dulangdulang4496 Yep, only issue is they are trying to market themselves as a reputable and rigorous company with their labs so for those who don't know better will take it at face value rather than entertainment
No matter what happens next, DON'T let the injustice done to Billet Labs get lost in the shuffle of damage control.
What happened to them should be your biggest take away from all of this. The failure of an entire team's inability to simply ship back a one of a kind prototype, instead auctioning it off is inexcusable on all fronts.
Maybe they should try and get it back somehow and return it to its rightful owner.
people should treat ltt videos as jokes instead of serious tech reviews, in that case no one get harmed and everyone is happy
I'd say the other key takeaway would be how far the Labs has to go to actually be taken seriously as an industry standard. It's supposed to go beyond GPUs and focus on everything from monitors and power supplies. With how frequent errors occur in LTT videos now, I personally believe it invalidates all the Labs credibility once fully operational until we see a consistent delivery of accurate information.
-1 sub on LTT
Yeah honestly this is the most mind-blowing aspect to this imo, it's just indecent; and it's not even like there was some communication breakdown or it was an old product that'd been shuffled around during any attempt to return it.
They genuinely put a currently being developed product on blast, then sold what the manufacturer claims is it's best prototype in an auction. xD
Just wrong.
I love the fact that the first video posted after the GN incident is a microphone video that is being called BS by every single sound engineer here.
Oh you caught that?! LMAO.
No, I think this is their normal video posting schedule. They did say they put out 20 videos a week
@@happytimes10191 Just Ironic, is all.
And Linus saying $47 over a video that puts a big red circle around $45.04 (1:18)
Which, yeah, not a big thing, but... such a simple thing to fix correctly.
“We didn’t sell it, we auctioned it!”
- Linus on his ethics and accountability
"we didn't sell it, we auctioned it"
Linus after stealing a cooler, 2023
I wonder why the auctioneers always shout "3, 2, 1, AAAAAAAND.... SOLD!!!" whenever a product is sold at an auction.
“We didn’t sell it, we auctioned it!”
- Linus after stealing an invaluable 1/1 prototype
It was for charity guys c'mon. Give him a break.
@@Phantazmay You dropped your /s. That was a one of a kind prototype for Billet.
@@Phantazmay Sell everything you own and give it to charity, c'mon.
Linus: Don't judge a company for a mistake, judge them by how they respond
Also Linus: *gives the worst response imaginable*
but but but we didnt sell it
We "Auction" it. its totally legit trust me bro.
I guess it could technically have been worse
@@tacocat709 At least it didn't include a Ukulele.
@@AdamsOlympiaIf Linus sang it atleast it would have been funny
What was the response?
Linus, if you value your fans, customers and your own company (and all your great employees), make your mistakes right. Ignoring and or fighting it will only make it worse.
Whatever he might do it'll be too little too late for me and I suspect for a lot of others.
He forgot his fans in the process of chasing that algorithm sadly. That or he just stopped caring once he got his.
ego is one hell of a drug
He is already corrupt.
LTT downfall begins.
@@DROOtoob let's see what the sponsors will do.
ive used two different fifine mics so far and a headphone amplifier. Theyre VERY simple, with no software but i legit have zero complaints. Extremely solid build quality and pretty much flawless operational quality. Would absolutely recommend to anyone.
The Ampligame AM8 and their headset are probably the two best things to be released in the last 10 years for anyone who wants their first of either item.
I've been using a Fifine T699 for around a year now and it's crazy how good it sounds and how good the quality is for the price. That being said, it suddenly stopped working properly a few days ago. It barely picks up my voice and sounds muffled, tested it on another PC and it does the same thing. I bought another Fifine mic because of how good it was though. This time I won't forget to register it's warranty 😂
Hey Linus, no pitchfork here, but I will say that quantity vs quality has been an issue long before this debacle. Listen to those employees, they all asked for more time on the projects they care about, you're gonna burn em out if you don't listen.
I wouldn't say burn out, rather jump ship if they can. Burn out means they're done from the industry. If another channel was able to pay them, and give them the time to do it right, how many would stay?
He's not going to listen
Around two years ago I was watching a video of theirs and thought to myself: - Man, these written asterisks are appearing way too often. Do they even care about what they're filming anymore?
They're already burnt out, i can assure that. Between the things we see on camera and the ones we don't, its very likely they all work with a drained soul, making their work (both to us and to them) less and less interesting in retrospective. Its likely why a lot of mistakes go through and have to be edited in post, because the people that are actually in the video are likely too tired after making just that to try and retake it, even if they get paid very well.
If jank wasn't their trademark, maybe he would listen to them, but apparently he takes pride in doing a half assed job 🤷
For those who dont have dislikes reenabled through a plug in, this video is currently on 58k dislikes.
Currently the ratio is at 23K likes to 25K dislikes. I hope this is the slap in the face needed but Linus's response does not inspire hope
@@ryebread8063 so people are acting like twats because of the recent GN stuff and not based on the video itself. I feel sorry for LTT they have to put up with some proper weirdos.
@@thedegoose No, I'm sorry but I disagree. If this is what is needed to correct the issues they have created for Billet Labs, and to actually get better videos their team is proud of, then it's worth it. A few dislikes on a few videos aren't going to kill them, but they might (hopefully) help them realize that they need to do better.
@@thedegoosemy goodness you’re a silly goose 😂
@@thedegooseas have been pointed out by many comments, this video also shows a lack of proper testing.
Linus has said many times that companies should be judged by their responses to criticism. Well, now we have a very good example of LTT’s response.
Until they make a formal apology, I'm going to dislike every video they make to reflect their prettiness.
@@benderrodriguez4107 from this point onwards right? ...right?
This company is now garbage. Bottom line
@@benderrodriguez4107to be honest I’ve not been liking their videos for a while now, their focus on quantity over quality is clearly showing and even if they apologize now, it’ll just seem like they’re trying to avoid backlash. This initial response has shown me everything about current LTT and how it’s fallen from grace
@Soosss not a linus fan (far from it) but as a fellow business owner I think linus was going to try fix it as chief vision officer spending more time QAing videos etc but it had been going on way too long ans way too obviously for them to get away with it that lightly
Been watching Linus since NCIX days, LMG became jack of all trades, master of none. I don't see the point of mic review from an auction company.
I think many viewers were already noticing the decline in video quality the last couple of years. Now with someone calling out the genuine mistakes and irresponsible behavior maybe LMG is not running as smooth as we thought.
I mean, that like-dislike ratio being 20% different shows that a lot of people have a problem with LTT now.
Well, at least this time there were no asterisks or post-recording corrections
@@jedidoesstuff Yeah but their graphs/testing methodologies are still horrendous. The way the data in this video was presented was borderline worthless. It would almost be funny if it wasn't the case with the majority of data the Labs team puts out.
Most videos are made to sell the LTT store crap.
LTT's decline started after Nicky V left imo
I’ve been watching LTT for around 8 years now, and will probably always be a fan, but I’m struggling to trust their data now after watching the GN video. The truth is, I (and many other people) don’t fully understand the various testing methods, and won’t know for sure if the data being presented is to be expected or trusted. It sucks to watch these videos with that layer of doubt now. I hope they address these concerns soon.
watch GN for serious indepth reviews. they explain all of their methodology on their channel and when they make updates they explain what they are and what it will look like going forward. steve and his team are the gold standard. you don't see LTT going to Intel and AMD fabrication facilities. doing walk throughs of EVGA's chip repair centers or any of that because LTT is junk content
So instead of trying to understand the data, you blindly trust the manchild Steve over at GN?
While I don't even really focus on data that way, I can understand why it's important that it is correct for people who do, for me I am more worried that they will not address it the way that is expected and deserved. They've been reckless in what they say, and the loss of that prototype waterblock is a monumental fuck up, these are things that need accountability. It is a shame because I do still believe linus and lmg want to do good. Let's hope this isn't a great downfall.
@@foenix8094 Same. I didn't subscribe for the thinly veiled ego stroking content. I subscribed for the information, the fun was just a bonus.
As more trivial content got churned out, less and less attention and research was spent on ensuring quality of the technical content. The focus shifted further away from integrity and towards entertainment. We might be witnessing the downfall of LMG.
If you want to blindly trust someone, then you're a big part of the problem. Always assume people want to trick you.
LTT delaying this video to triple fact-check it after GN's piece 😂
Lmao
Linus Moment
Linus responded to it, but focused on the Billet GPU cooler. I doubt they change much related to the testing and videos.
@@Jegorexi hope they will improve
Lol! Best comment ever!
At very least Billet deserves their prototype back and official apology. Stepping on small startups is something people won't tolerate.
they cant have it back, it was auctioned off to some random fan at ltx. Edit: there are rights in an auction, it's not like a party can cancel the auction after someone has paid and sent money.
@@rekt_gg If Billet is lucky, it was some random fan. If they're not, then it was auctioned off to a competitor.
@@rekt_ggyeah they can easily get it back from the fan, you really think they didn't get all of their info when they got it? I bet they have address phone number all the good stuff
Bro they already resolved the issue
@@rekt_gg That sounds like LTT problem to me. It should be get back by any means necessary.
Surely this video is completely factual, without any mistakes, erroneous data and asterisks. Right?
did you see the duplicate review at 11:18?
@@emi.mp4oh my God
oops! 😅@@emi.mp4
The error at 11:17 says hi. 😂😂😂
"Results below 60Hz not fully reliable due to HVAC noise"
They should put a disclaimer in front of the video that none of their expensive Lab results have to be right since they're LTT and therefore known for making mistakes (as mentioned by Linus on his forum post)
that would be problem for him as well.
he would contradict himself, when he already did it ten times himself in the space of 2 days either contradict what he said yesterday, 2 days ago, or few months...
Disclaimer: The information presented in this video is likely inaccurate and should not be taken as factual.
@@johnappleseed6926"disclainer: this video is made only for entertainment purposes. It should no be taken seriously. For objective data and information, please refer to Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed video on the topic."
As a professional audio engineer, I can confirm never buy a Blue Yeti, terrible mic on any measurement, usb, price or otherwise. This FiFine sounds er, Fine, but if you are a singer not just a chatter, I would recommend to spend nearer 100 to can get an actual good and well made usb mic like the rode NT-USB, or the Sennheiser Profile. They are made by actual mic companies! they last, and can deliver 'studio' grade sound in a good room.
Linus : "Adblock is theft"
Everyone else: But so is selling someone's prototype after promising to return it.......
@@Mesopotamian for charity!!
lmfao great comment@@Mesopotamian
I'm glad I ads blocked his channel always least he's not getting a cent from me.
TH-camrs who act like Adblock is theft have a major entitlement problem, so it actually makes perfect sense he'd think he's entitled to -sell- auction off other people's stuff.
Linus has literally done reaction videos without showing any ads from the video he's reacting to. By his words, that's like he was forcing his audience to pirate those videos!
Linus: "We didn't sell it, we auctioned it"
Billet: "Well.. fuck"
Well that makes it so much better! Thanks for the clarification Linus! 😂
auctioned it... for charity! Aren't we the good guys in this?
Also LTT: "the good news is that it's not sitting on a shelf anymore"
How is that supposed to be good news?
And Corsair reps at LTX probably got to inspect it very closely lol.
That's AnusTechTips for ya
I find it baffling how Linus will say they spare no expense for equipment and thousands of dollars are rounding errors, but paying a few hundred dollars to get a video right is just too much. They're moving too fast and making avoidable mistakes. I hope they can improve from what GN has said and not duck their head in the sand, especially with the mishandeling of Billet Labs which is seriously messed up.
There may be a push to create as many vids as possible to boost company worth if they have investors. The investment may not be directly with the channel (g probably don't allow it) but by other means
Ah yes, the twitch’s viewers money is a rounding error, makes this situation much more ironic
they did Billet dirty, hope they get sued
Money for machines good but for humans bad.
The cost he was complaining about was the cost of a 3090 ti. That isn't a sunk cost for them. It can be resold. It can be used in other videos. It can be placed in an employees computer. It can be auctioned. Pretty lame of him to act like the cost of the 3090 would be a sunk cost for 1 video.
Linus has broken my hearts. I have been watching LTT for 4 years. At least i watched 300+ of their videos😢😢. But After I watched the gamers nexus video, I feel like im getting scam like I have been watching his videos for 4 years and you are telling these videos has mistake in it. No bro.😢
Now we find out that Linus didn't offer to reimburse Billet until AFTER GN's video came out. This is getting worse and worse. Linus has said he's not going to cover it on WAN and while most of us would like to see him talk about it, I actually think it's for the best if he doesn't. He's become a liability. He needs to say nothing and let the CEO handle it because the more Linus talks, the bigger the hole gets.
yep
@@TheEvilCommenter facts are only drama if one party is wrong and keeps on doubling down on being wrong.
Hint, it isn't GN bringing the drama.
@@Jadiaz-ev9hm just ignore the troll
@@TheEvilCommenter Imagine being angry at the messenger and not the message.
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@@TheEvilCommenter
Two guys trying to start a company, LTT screws them over in a review of their prototype by using an incompatible GPU. The agreement was that they, Billet, receive their waterblock back because it’s their one and only best prototype they have, but LTT decided, and without the permission off the owners, to auction it at LTX. Now Billet is screwed because their prized prototype is gone and most possible auctioned to a competitor company to be cloned. Years of hard work, dedication, and dreams crushed by the guys they most likely looked up to. as a long time viewer i feel very disapointed on your response and dammage handling
It's messed up situation, very very badly.
So how should they have responded to that company? Specifically from the post it seems that there was a communication mistake that happened with both companies. LMG seems to have reached out to the company and offered to pay them whatever price they deemed appropriate for the value of the lost prototype iteration before GN made the first video. This specific issue doesn't seem to happen frequently. Not only have they shown their inventory and product handling process, but have shown to consistently been improving it over the years. Is it a perfect solution? No. But there is no way to wave a wand and undo what has happened.
then why let it happen on the first place? you cant put price on intelectual property until is pattented and now the competitor has a hold of the product.@@dragonhero14
@@dragonhero14The way to respond is by not auctioning off other companies' prototypes without their permission. A company sends something to you they've been working on for years, it's their most refined version of the product so far and they really want your feedback.... You then shit all over their product and give their prototype away.... And you're trying to defend this somehow? And LMG didn't agree to pay them until after the GN video. Not okay in any way; pretty deplorable behavior.
@@Daniele858585 a messed up situation you could say if they would have received a 'not the best prototype' and the lose it in their storage and decide to compensate for it, you can say "well, it wasn't that bad but could have been better" here you can say "this sh*t is the worst a reviewer can do a company" they decided because of the poor mind of Linus to throw the sh*t out of them because he said to do that and after that he decided to auction it, that is just a terrible thing and to do that with a one of a kind prototype a company has, oh boy! that can't go even more rock bottom than it has
So a $600 graphics card is budget by LTT standards, but $500 is too much to spend to on the integrity of your whole company?
Well it's ASUS obviously
It’s an asus card so it’s super high quality obviously
🙄
bars
yes
Not to mention that Billet Labs actually sent them a 3090ti which they didn't use because one of the staff decided to take it home and use it in their own PC.
Linus: Adblock is piracy
Everyone: No it's not, we just auctioned your ads to the best adblocker.
I'm assuming labs only tested the mic at one mic gain position? Man.. watching LTT videos after watching Steve's video earlier kinda hits different. He shined a spotlight on the LMG testing flaws. Sounds like a problem for the new CEO to tackle 😎
The same CEO that Steve BURNED during the Roast of Linus Sebastian. 😂😂😂
GN Cult needs help
@@iambear.6526that video was pretty much the first GN vid I've watched and he articulated something that's been becoming more and more evident over the past year or so. Not hating but I'm glad someone covered it so well, for the sake of LTT's longevity. It's been a staple of my life for years now. Would be sad to see it decline due to penny pinching and rushing.
@@iambear.6526The what?
@@iambear.6526 dude. i have watched LTT for years. ive probably wated 20, maybe 30 GN videos compared to the hundreds, possibly thousands of LTT videos ive watched from there array of channels, of which they have too many. we do not need LTT to do game news for fucks sake, we have far, far too many news outlets about games as it is, and LTT isnt even close to being as good as say, GameRanx for example. hell, even gamespot does better..... and i fully agree with everything Steve said in his video. GN isnt a cult ffs.
Make sure you take the protective plastic off first Linus!!!
Lmao 🤣
Ferrari sent me a prototype car. I put diesel in it, even though it’s a petrol engine. Now the car doesn’t work properly. Even if it worked properly, it’s a stupid product with terrible value. You can buy Honda civics and toyota corollas for that money and it will take you point a to b perfectly fine. By the way even though ferrari wanted their prototype back i auctioned off the prototype in a car show for charity some time ago. I will send the value of the prototype to ferrari soon. Regardless they like it or not.
@@EmperorOfShurima 🎯
@@EmperorOfShurima You forgot to mention that you happened to sell the Ferrari prototype to McLaren.
at the very least, the hosts need to do enough research on the products they review. all they do is jump set from set shooting videos, and they can get away with it by reading someone elses words off a telepropmter
The Owner of a 100 million dollar company thought a corporate sounding response in a forum thread would squash all concerns from his viewers. Linus, you've become the very thing you used to make videos in the rain in Taiwan about.
edit: Holy crap there's a duplicate review in 11:18. LINUS! Give your staff TIME to make quality content!
What an insane mic drop
Right?!?!?! I always think back to that video in the rain! What a sellout dude. Imo it actually started going downhill just after that. How bizarre!
Can someone link to the response?
Sexual misconduct is a bad look for you. As is staff mutilating themselves to escape from a toxic work environment.
Let's be serious here, mates.
Linus will not comment on the subjects criticized by GN because he does not know how to approach the situation, that's why we had the fiasco with the backpack and the "trust me bro" scandal, but also other problems along the way.
I love both Linus and the team - as well as Steve and his team at GN. But he needs to understand that some things can't just be thrown under the rug as if it were "a simple mistake" or "poor communication". What are we talking about here? It's crazy that it was Steve from GN who had the guts to tell it like it is. Not packed up nicely by LMG editors, seriously. You can't just trim a clip on YT and then continue to trash the manufacturer because you failed to do your job. Just as it is not normal to "sell" the intellectual property of others at an "auction".
I love you guys at LMG, but you need to come up with a better response. Not with some corporate crap we're already sick of.
the problem here man, is that Linus is 100% responsible for what they do and not do with al the things at LMG so what happened with Billet is 100% his responsability, and with other things like they do a video that has an error, they all know it has it, but they throw it away because he is not spending extra time and money to do it right, like this video, he should make a video making himself accountable for all this things, that he is not doing because of his own sake, because i saw one clip of GN where Linus was throwing BS to the cooler and the man who is with him had a face like "for god's sake take me out of here" nobody wants to keep working there with Linus because he is not like before anymore, so he failed, he should let everybody do their job like is supposed to and move away from there, he alone is killing this channel
Don't forget to remove the protective film before testing it...
He's gonna need to use his water bottle to pour water on that burn.
_"Sounds like shit, nobody should buy it, 1/10"_
Really dropped the ball, as Linus once said "Judge a company based on how they respond to criticisms."
TBH, dropping things is kind of on brand for Linus. Didn't expect for him to drop his credibility though...
You know how Post Malone just told Joe Rogan on their most recent podcast about NPC streaming and "hate watching?" Well the view count on this video seems like it's a whole lotta "hate watching"
Linus: did we really sell billet's product?
Video productor: *Auctioned
It's so sad to see how LTT has changed adopting all the scammy practices of big corporations. Not taking accountability, wanting more profit over anything else. Such a shame
yes more interested in growth, and quantity over quality. its honestly getting harder and harder to watch LTT vids since they have become more ads than content
@@joeeyaura I found a solution to that, i just don't watch it anymore :D Unsubscribtion is free thankfully, even LTT would be able to justify that cost!
That's why capitalism sucks. Sadly, the alternatives suck at least as much :/
yet you still have this pfp?
saw it coming when he released over priced bagpack and screw driver
That waterblock startup must've taken an irrecoverable hit from the video you made about their prototype that you didn't test according to what they said it's made for. Your channel holds so much power in the tech space, I've been a viewer since the early NCIX days and I've got to say that I'm disappointed to say the least.
@@garbonzobear Yeah his stubbornness and inability to take credibility of his mistakes is pretty nauseating imo.
I read the title as, WHY IS EVERYONE BULLYING ME 😂😂😂 . This Linus issue is messing with my nerves.
11:17 the hyper focus on the quality of info presented in LTT videos today has caused me to notice that they included the same 5-star review twice for some reason
Good catch.
you're talking about HOURS of a workers time to find more. It's ain't going to happen bub.
@@MatiasMoragregaJoke thief 😄
@@rufusmainwaring3513 I wanted to tag him but can't remember his @. But honestly that guy is a fucking genius hahahaha
Ffs I'm still laughing hahaha
@@PhonePhone-sf8te That's like $100, $200, $300, $500 right there!
Just learned that you guys auctioned off the Billet one-of-a-kind prototype water block even though the company that sent it to you for free asked for it back when you were done with it because THEY ONLY HAD A SINGLE ONE. You also agreed to send it back, but then auctioned it off anyway without telling Billet about it. Now the company is stalled because they lost their main prototype.
As someone who's been subbed to LTT for an incredibly long time at this point, I am furious. This is beyond unethical at this point and LTT should face serious backlash. You don't just destroy a startup company for no reason and then keep going like you did nothing wrong.
don't mind me, just opening a new waterblock company with designs from one I bought off of linus.
They didn't destroy them, Billet had all the schematics and ways of rebuilding the block lol. You could even buy one on the website. Was LMG in the wrong yes but they also gave Billet a blank check.
@@hunterchao197no they did quite literally stall the company lmao
My guy.... well put!!! Total scumbag move made by LMG!!!
They auctioned it off to charity by accident, and they told Billet Labs to quote them for the lost prototype and they'd pay whatever number they came up with.
Please guys, 3 good, researched, planned and corrected videos a week is better than 6 low quality rushed videos. I think I speak for almost all of us when I say I'd rather see a longer, higher quality release once every couple days than the short low quality daily videos. As much as I love watching every LTT video a day, it's super annoying seeing these issues and the videos seemingly abruptly cutting to sponsor without actually ending and giving us closure.
Edit: we probably won't see this though, because as many have pointed out the view income would drop and therefore they may not be able to pay all the employees. Sadly ltt has become income first viewer second
How about 20 a week? - Linus
You say 3 well-researched videos are better than 6 bad ones but that’s from our perspective-the viewer. For Linus he makes twice as much money when he releases 6 videos. And the videos get views whether they are accurate or not. Sadly, LTT is a company that values revenue first
more like 25 a week...
@@SeanMcCaffrey4 I agree, whether or not we see a slow down in production comes down to 'can we continue to pay all of our employees' (well over 100 now, I believe) and I think they've built up too much, too quickly for that to be a real possibility. I think they could manage it, but it won't be easy (financially) on their end.
I remember him talking about the abrupt cuts to sponsor on the WAN show a couple years ago. It's so that the viewer never feels that the video is about to end. So it's all for viewer retention throughout the video. When YT recommends videos, it usually does it on a couple things, likes and views are some of them, but another huge one is how many viewers stayed through the whole video.
A lot of people may not know this, and it was a shock to me until I started making videos myself, but I can see how many people leave one of my videos within the first 10 seconds and it's usually about 50%. LTT might have different numbers, but if I get a few thousand views on a video, 1,500 of those views left in the first 10 seconds. So keeping the viewer retention graph as high for as long as possible is a big player in YT recommending your videos to other people.
If there is even a kernel of truth in what Madison just posted on her Twitter a few hours ago about her experience working at LMG, this company is in severe trouble.
when the owner and his wife are basically head of HR, you can imagine what the company stance is going to be here
The waterblock allegations are peanuts compared to the BOMB she just dropped on twitter
link please?
I hope a TH-cam channel with a proper lab and qualified personnel can test this mic at some point.
GN doesn’t do mic tests
Hardware Canucks probably will
Too much time for $100 or even $500 of someone’s time. Better yet you didn’t email that comment to him
“Companies should be judged by their responses to criticism.” Linus (LMG)
lol
To answer the question posed by the title of this video honestly would require a disclosure of LTT's financial interest in FiFine.
Auctioning off other companies' tech is the least of Linus' worries. Madison is dropping nukes on Twitter. It's all kinds of messed up what went on in LMG
It’ll be a matter of time that Mr Beast will get the same thing happening.
LTT as an legit source of reputable tech tips has seemingly reached it's end in the past couple of months.
It reached it's end years ago. the golden era of LTT was between 2010 and 2014. I first subscribed to him in 2009.
Yes, I suspect the business is going to slowly fall apart...
It's Linus' Home Renovation Show more than anything these days
Just like all the other big tech channels, you shouldn't be using TH-cam channels with conflicts of interest to determine where your money goes. LTT, GN, Jayztwocents, hardware unboxed all have conflicts of interest and if you think any of them are above that conflict of interest; you need to re-evaluate how you place your trust.
Tech videos on TH-cam are just for entertainment, if a creator is taking sponsorships from companies that make products in the same category as products that creator reviews, your trust in their impartiality should drop to 0 immediately, otherwise you're just another sucker, repeating a tale as old as currency itself.
To me it started going downhill with the "Intel I still love you" video around 3 years ago.
Holy crap, literally the moment I finished watching Gamer's Nexus criticism video on LTT, I popped over to watch this and already there's flaws in how the product is reviewed/evaluated by the LTT team. What kind of coincidence is that?
Just easier for you to notice, it's seriously nothing new. The formula changed a few years ago as did his credibility. Sell out.
@@ltipst2962Are you getting paid for this? Or just have so little going on?
@thenutsonyourchin true. They are an institution in this space at this point, but unless they make changes I will be much more selective about what videos I watch of theirs, i.e. only the ones that are more comedy than analyses or review.
@@thenutsonyourchinno turning back now with the labs investments.
because it isn't just coincidence. It's evidence to GN's video.
no one at LTT can seemingly design an actual scientific experiment
Madison
The Amazon 5 star review showcase has the same review twice. Of course, everyone is a lot more critical today than usual, but it also shows that GN is right about their criticism.
Saw the comment....
Took another look.....
Thank you @DantesGrill and Gamer's Nexus to call them out on this type of shit.
Amazon reviews mean nothing. Sellers can pay for people to "purchase" items and post postive reivews. LTT is more and more like these hedge fund firms I am familiar with.
@@jchen666 I don't care about that, it's about the production value of the video and how staff has complained about not having enough time to make the videos as good as they could be. It's a sloppy editing mistake.
@@DantesGrill What do you expect. They are a mid size company now. Maximizing profit is their top prioity. They need to add more people or reduce the video output. But I doubt they would be willing to take a hit on revenue tho.
@@jchen666 And that's gonna affect quality, which is gonna affect reputation. However Linus decides to solve this is up to him, it's none of my business. People not being able to trust him, bro, is gonna cause a hit on revenue either way.
So I watch both gamers' nexus and linus tech tips, and I believe that Steve has some very solid arguments. I also think I have seen more and more videos that seem too rushed, and was disappointed with the 3090 vs 4090 waterblock issue. Then all the on screen corrections I must be missing because I mostly watch/listen while doing chores. I love the more creative videos, but the informative ones have lacked enough quality control.
tbf, you bring up a great point in that not everyone watches the video. a lot of people listen to it while doing things, so really, the on screen corrections just arent acceptable for any kind of review focused media outlet
sells your prototype waterblock to competitor.
nothin personal kid.
over half the shit GN said was nothing new. He just dramatized it to cause shit because he got his feefees hurt when an LMG employee made an off the cuff comment about him
Linus also has a solid argument, he posted it on ltt forms. He payed (still in the process) Billet back for the water block and he said it was auctioned for charity becasue of "miscommunication". He is disappointed Steve (even though he has his number) didn't reach out for comment to get both sides of the story (like proper journalist do). As for Inaccuracies he said labs is "a work in progress that is very much not done and that we've communicated needs to be treated as such". His reasoning for not making larger changes and just putting text corrections up "Listing the wrong amount of cache on a table for a CPU review is sloppy, but given that our conclusions are drawn based on our testing, not the spec sheet, it doesn't materially change the recommendation." and "That doesn't mean these things don't matter." He goes into more depth about other things his response is like 9 paragraphs, I'd recommend you look it up rather than just going over my comment because there is more.
I agree, Linus needs to address regarding rushed schedule, inaccurate testing, and doubling down on bad takes, I love Linus Tech Tips but these are the 3 things Linus needs to fix and another thing that will put use to future scenarios if a testing gets labeled as inaccurate LMG should learn from it rather than doubling down by that case even best tech creators make mistakes
Its funny how Linus will not talk about the current GN controversy on the wan show (as outlined in a response in an LTT forum) but is more than enthusiastic in regularly calling out companies and people. Linus persona is falling apart real fast
Linus should know ignoring GN isn't going to make the controversy go away. Or the perception that his content is infotainment and not to be trusted for accuracy at all. The internet is going to run wild with that. The labs are useless if they don't have the time to test or represent the tests properly. If this is how they want to make videos they never should have invested in the labs at all.
Can someone link to the response or tell me what I should google to find it?
@@utubekullanicisi a screenshot is on the LinusTechTips subreddit, its a pain to find in on the forum since its buried in a 78 page thread
What really bothered me with his response was his statement that he’s not afraid of answering questions, yet he won’t talk about it on the platform that actually allows his audience to ask him questions.
@@utubekullanicisiLinus' statement:
"There won't be a big WAN Show segment about this or anything. Most of what I have to say, I've already said, and I've done so privately.
To Steve, I expressed my disappointment that he didn't go through proper journalistic practices in creating this piece. He has my email and number (along with numerous other members of our team) and could have asked me for context that may have proven to be valuable (like the fact that we didn't 'sell' the monoblock, but rather auctioned it for charity due to a miscommunication... AND the fact that while we haven't sent payment yet, we have already agreed to compensate Billet Labs for the cost of their prototype). There are other issues, but I've told him that I won't be drawn into a public sniping match over this and that I'll be continuing to move forward in good faith as part of 'Team Media'. When/if he's ready to do so again I'll be ready.
To my team (and my CEO's team, but realistically I was at the helm for all of these errors, so I need to own it), I stressed the importance of diligence in our work because there are so many eyes on us. We are going through some growing pains - we've been very public about them in the interest of transparency - and it's clear we have some work to do on internal processes and communication. We have already been doing a lot of work internally to clean up our processes, but these things take time. Rome wasn't built in a day, but that's no excuse for sloppiness.
Now, for my community, all I can say is the same things I always say. We know that we're not perfect. We wear our imperfection on our sleeves in the interest of ensuring that we stay accountable to you. But it's sad and unfortunate when this transparency gets warped into a bad thing. The Labs team is hard at work hard creating processes and tools to generate data that will benefit all consumers - a work in progress that is very much not done and that we've communicated needs to be treated as such. Do we have notes under some videos? Yes. Is it because we are striving for transparency/improvement? Yeah... What we're doing hasn't been in many years, if ever.. and we would make a much larger correction if the circumstances merited it. Listing the wrong amount of cache on a table for a CPU review is sloppy, but given that our conclusions are drawn based on our testing, not the spec sheet, it doesn't materially change the recommendation. That doesn't mean these things don't matter. We've set KPIs for our writing/labs team around accuracy, and we are continually installing new checks and balances to ensure that things continue to get better. If you haven't seen the improvement, frankly I wonder if you're really looking for it... The thoroughness that we managed on our last handful of GPU videos is getting really incredible given the limited time we have for these embargoes. I'm REALLY excited about what the future will hold.
With all of that said, I still disagree that the Billet Labs video (not the situation with the return, which I've already addressed above) is an 'accuracy' issue. It's more like I just read the room wrong. We COULD have re-tested it with perfect accuracy, but to do so PROPERLY - accounting for which cases it could be installed in (none) and which radiators it would be plumbed with (again... mystery) would have been impossible... and also didn't affect the conclusion of the video... OR SO I THOUGHT...
I wanted to evaluate it as a product, and as a product, IF it could manage to compete with the temperatures of the highest end blocks on the planet, it still wouldn't make sense to buy... so from my point of view, re-testing it and finding out that yes, it did in fact run cooler made no difference to the conclusion, so it didn't really make a difference.
Adam and I were talking about this today. He advocated for re-testing it regardless of how non-viable it was as a product at the time and I think he expressed really well today why it mattered. It was like making a video about a supercar. It doesn't mater if no one watching will buy it. They just wanna see it rip. I missed that, but it wasn't because I didn't care about the consumer.. it was because I was so focused on how this product impacted a potential buyer. Either way, clearly my bad, but my intention was never to harm Billet Labs. I specifically called out their incredible machining skills because I wanted to see them create something with a viable market for it and was hoping others would appreciate the fineness of the craftsmanship even if the product was impractical. I still hope they move forward building something else because they obviously have talent and I've watched countless niche water cooling vendors come and go. It's an astonishingly unforgiving market.
Either way, I'm sorry I got the community's priorities mixed-up on this one, and that we didn't show the Billet in the best light. Our intention wasn't to hurt anyone. We wanted no one to buy it (because it's an egregious waste of money no matter what temps it runs at) and we wanted Billet to make something marketable (so they can, y'know, eat).
With all of this in mind, it saddens me how quickly the pitchforks were raised over this. It also comes across a touch hypocritical when some basic due diligence could have helped clarify much of it. I have a LONG history of meeting issues head on and I've never been afraid to answer questions, which lands me in hot water regularly, but helps keep me in tune with my peers and with the community. The only reason I can think of not to ask me is because my honest response might be inconvenient.
We can test that... with this post. Will the "It was a mistake (a bad one, but a mistake) and they're taking care of it" reality manage to have the same reach? Let's see if anyone actually wants to know what happened. I hope so, but it's been disheartening seeing how many people were willing to jump on us here. Believe it or not, I'm a real person and so is the rest of my team. We are trying our best, and if what we were doing was easy, everyone would do it. Today sucks.
Thanks for reading this."
My take is ltt has time to change, but linus dosent seem interested. The statement was made 12 hours ago the video has gained significant momentum since then so hopefully it becomes something ltt cant ignore.
For those saying it is gn getting jealous, you haven't understood what gn is saying. Ltt has a huge reach and massive presence it regularly lights fires under company's to get them to change. If they are entering the space of detailed reviews they need to be true and accurate. From Gn's video we can see they are not. Anybody who says this is gn being unhappy about labs is mistaken and a biased LTT fanboy. You lose nothing by this video being published there is no benefit to GN, this is for the benefit of the consumer and the audience.
Linus' comments indicate that he doesn't intend to make a significant change which has significantly reduced my faith in labs.
LTT need to address this and state what they are going to change, Or risk jeopardising the future of labs and LMG's credibility.
Just read the channel's bio and they have lost sight of their own mission: Linus Tech Tips is a passionate team of "professionally curious" experts in consumer technology and video production who aim to educate and entertain.
1) Professionally curious? Not enough to retest with the correct graphics card
2) Experts in consumer tech? Perhaps but not applied
3) Experts in video production? If failure to produce accurate reviews in fantastic production quality counts, sure.
4) Educate? With blatant misinformation and negligence, and then intentionally withholding on truth and/or accountability and responsibility for misinformation
The only thing they did is entertain by pissing on themselves. Respect for Linus is lost, he's lost in the dough.
Linus has always set an abritary number on the amount of videos they need to do a week, claiming its what the audience expects. However the audience also expects quality. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. Halving the number of videos you make per week could be a good thing. For better quality, and so employees at LMG can not feel rushed.
Not all the employees will benefit... because if you half the amount of videos, you'll have to sack a bunch of them. I've seen this argument so much over the past 24 hours... "Make less videos, easy!" .... That's not how companies like LTT work, they plan things based on revenue projections. (Well, I hope they do :D) so they're kind of stuck with the video amount to a certain degree, at least they are unless they want to make some really hard calls I imagine.
There is something to consider here that not enough people seem to be. Linus Media Group is a machine (company); in order to sustain the overhead associated with 120+ employees, they must continue producing (We are talking about the number of sponsor spots, merchandise sales, etc.).
Do I think quality is suffering as a result of the fast pace? Of course
Do I wish they produced less content at higher quality? Yes
Would I support LMG's downsizing (20-40%) to achieve that goal and sustainably run the company? Yes
Is it fair for me to ask them, a company, to do that (not to mention the disruption to employees)? Of course not
It is a tricky issue... big company, big problems.
Great so this is being blamed on us now
I just want to say that i have been opposing both the upload schedule and the clickbaity thumbnails and title since 2016.
Dont pin this on me Linus! Sod off!
@@BlenderBrit I never said sack anyone. Just give people more time. If they need to keep the same upload schedule then they need to start planning a video more than a week in advance. They used to upload 7 videos a week, upon hiring more people they are attempting to upload more and more per week. This arbritary number of videos per week only seems to keep growing. Are revenue targets so important that its at the expense of the quality or validatiy of the content produced? Humans are not robots.
Don't even have to be half. Even a reduction of 20% could help relieve the primary issue of quality. Steve at GN is a bit too salty. LTT needs to do better but it's not like it's a giant deal. Most viewers know a good chunk of LTT is entertainment focused.
See what Madison aka suuuoppp has to say. She described the workplace there.
I've been watching LTT since 2015, and was grateful for you protecting us from exactly the bad types of corporations that you have become. You've lost my insignificant sub, I wont let the door hit me on the way out.
Same
Unfortunately, yeah same.
He didn't become like that, he was always like that. it just didn't show... some psychopaths live a lifetime without being noticed or caught.
Linus is not a sellout. He's an auction out
Nice
good one lol
No person or company is mistake free
@@fleabaglane Mistake? It's called theft.
@@fleabaglane Some mistakes do send people behind bars. Theft is one.
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Can’t wait to buy the mic at auction
Linus's response was crazy.
How can you hold me accountable... you had my number.. we could have talked about it first. People, how can you turn on me so quickly....we are people.
Address no good points and had such a i dont care ill give them money for their prototype to shut up. Such a big corporate thing to do.
I agree 100%. I was so baffled with the response. Like what?! I've been with this (and other) channel(s) almost since the start. I thought I knew these guys and would never do something like this. Whoops...
@Gogo8mkd
I really felt disappointed. I've been seeing him since his NCIX days. I want nothing but the best for him, but I think youtube got to him, and we are seeing the hero become the villain.
LTT shadowban all the users that post negative comments. Great job LINUS
Please give your team more time to make content they can be proud of. The next product launch can wait. 11+ videos a week can wait. Get your core content back in order and take more pride in due diligence and your employees.
LTT was great when LTT cared and took time to do what they do. Nearly every piece of content from LTT can be broken down to "This thing coincidentally broke", "I spent HOW much??", and "I water-cooled my pc with a pool simply because", with no evergreen or informational content being produced with any kind of regularity.
Further, while I'm not a GN fan, your response of "they didn't do due diligence" is a bad one. They had no responsibility to contact you and they took all of the evidence that the public sees and boiled it down into a cohesive video. You guys did dumb/bad things, they called LMG out for it, and that's okay. Not everyone is out to get you; most people just want good content that doesn't actively harm other people for no reason.
Lastly, constant, often, and repeated corrections should not be a status quo. Every now and again, sure, who cares. But, when you actively say something harming to a brand or product in video and then correct it with text at the bottom, you are taking a lazy and lackluster approach to journalism.
Is this all a big deal? Each individual one, in a vacuum, can be excused and fixed. All of these combined shows a greater problem. This will inevitably blow over and be a nothing burger, but selling a small companies only prototype and then being heated that people are mad about it is an insane take. Improperly testing a product, giving it a bad word (regardless if it actually made a difference), and being heated when you're called out for it is an insane take. Being content with crunch, lackluster content, rushed testing, lazy corrections, and being heated when you're called out for it and excusing it because "growing pains" is an insane take.
I genuinely enjoy content produced by LMG as a whole, but I had noticed the crazy amount of corrections, rushed content, and "meh" inspiring content before GN spoke out about it. I thought that there was a lack of content because of the focus on labs, but it seems more like bad communication from Linus, crunch for writers and editors, and a mindset of quantity over quality has been the contributing factor.
LMG can do better, and it should do better. This is a transitional period, but that is not an excuse for bad reporting. I have faith that it *can* get better, but only a few can decide if it *will* get better or if it will be brushed under the rug and be allowed to just blow over.
Well put.
I really hope the criticism is taken seriously at least internally. Shooting the messenger doesn't help. Sloppy videos like those exposed by GN can annihilate the substantial investments LMG made to the labs. Investing millions in automatic testing, a sound testing chamber, lab staff and more, and then not investing enough time in the actual end product to uphold the same standards makes no sense from any perspective. If the reviews aren't seen as trustable, no amount of spending on lab equipment can fix that.
sorry, could u repeat that?
LTT was way better before they went this big. I haven't even been watching these videos lately but the clips displayed in Gamer Nexus' recent rant clearly shows LMG has grown into corporate size and behaves like it. Gamers are better served by tubers that care for truth and facts more than just the bottom line!
they really should fire the one person who said not being proud of their video, it hurts morale
@@sunjames3276 It hurts morale MUCH more if you can't say something like this because you risk being fired if you do.
Remember Linus, don’t compromise integrity and quality because of greed. You started this channel because you cared about quality informative content, Dont exploit your workforce, fk sponsors, fk whoever is pushing quantity over quality. 2 good videos might not make you the money of 5 pushed videos, but if thats your focus you’ll become one more youtuber.
saw it coming when he released over priced bagpack and screw driver
10:33 You should plot any data which is measured against angle in a polar plot (R,θ). The thing you want to show here is called directivity plot (gain, θ).
That's too much accurate information for Linus to handle so he's gonna just have to be disappointed that you said this in a public post instead of emailing him directly about it.
An error in a LTT video? That’s a first… for today.
@@philwithcheese lmaooo nailed it
Do you even know how much this would cost to fix 😡😡😡
As someone who is on floatplane, and someone who buys merch, I'm blown away at how this has been handled, time to find a new underwear supplier
I just wonder how big of a deal and how many videos and rants in the wan show wouldn’t linus have done if someone who he sent a screwdriver prototype in good faith:
1.released a video saying never to buy this screwdriver even if its not the finished product after they “tested it” hammering nails.
2.didn’t returned a needed and one of a kind prototype.
3.“auctioned” without permission as if the loner prototype was their propriety no matter where the funds go to.
And I just got some merch for LIME day too :(
now I'm conflicted on whether to wear it
@@NotGabe001 Return it and leave a note saying you return is due to Linus' behaviour and you no longer wish to wear branding associated with them
@@NotGabe001 Return it
Remember that shirt that they released a long time ago because of Ubisoft? That's right, Keep On Diggin'!
To me, his response is a bigger insult than the bad practices themselves.
He also just straight up lied in his response too. He only contacted the company for compensation AFTER GM's video
where can I find the response
@@ujjvalw2684 It was on the LTT forum, but he deleted it.
This is gonna be a rough week or two for LMG lmao.
Disappointing response from Linus on forums but, no doubt they're just gonna keep their head down and attempt to weather it. Which will probably work.
Probably will but I don't think in the long run their reputation will grow. I know others who've had a bad feeling about him for a few years similar to myself and you have to ask why.
Hopefully its a rough future for LMG, a company of this size deserves long-term repercussions for long-term harmful misinformation and potentially disinformation.
@@WilloVALThey won't go anywhere lol.
@@ltipst2962 This exactly. I have been a fan of Linus for over a decade and certain things have had me feeling iffy about all this expansion. Things feeling less personal, Linus being there as a required face to read a script prepared by a writer. The entire point of TH-cam was to have that sense of informality and connection to the host - over what was previously available. Now it just feels like it is regressing to something like the very NCIX channel that Linus left.
Seems like when you turn a TH-cam channel corporate, you lose the plot a bit - and your audience is MOST DEFINITELY going to notice.
If nobody has learned from Bud Lite, anything can spiral downward fast if responsibility isn't taken. Start hemorrhaging subs and views? That's gonna start to hurt long-term.
The viewers in 1 year will be so confused by the comment section of this video.
And they'll know nothing has changed really, after all he said after the fact and how in reality everyone wants old Linus and old LTT back where one or 3 dudes were running the show, not 120+!
@@ltipst2962I started watching un 2019. I can't say for the quality of his old content. They should move from 6 to 5 main video by week. They need to adjuste their workflow asap.
And the dislike ratio, basically 50/50 currently
It's true. I'm confused.
@@mamahonggso am I 😢
Yevvon should be ashamed of herself regarding the Madison situation. She is the 50% owner of LMG. How could she let that happen?
Hope you guys directly respond to the criticism and do something about it. Really sucks to see a group i put trust in not do the right things and presents themselves as "for the consumer." I hope with time you guys can improve.
Linus "responded" on the LTT forums, and said there will be no video response even on the wan show.
they dont care
is he a coward? @@trololo_zhirnota
From the forum:
There won't be a big WAN Show segment about this or anything. Most of what I have to say, I've already said, and I've done so privately.
To Steve, I expressed my disappointment that he didn't go through proper journalistic practices in creating this piece. He has my email and number (along with numerous other members of our team) and could have asked me for context that may have proven to be valuable (like the fact that we didn't 'sell' the monoblock, but rather auctioned it for charity due to a miscommunication... AND the fact that while we haven't sent payment yet, we have already agreed to compensate Billet Labs for the cost of their prototype). There are other issues, but I've told him that I won't be drawn into a public sniping match over this and that I'll be continuing to move forward in good faith as part of 'Team Media'. When/if he's ready to do so again I'll be ready.
To my team (and my CEO's team, but realistically I was at the helm for all of these errors, so I need to own it), I stressed the importance of diligence in our work because there are so many eyes on us. We are going through some growing pains - we've been very public about them in the interest of transparency - and it's clear we have some work to do on internal processes and communication. We have already been doing a lot of work internally to clean up our processes, but these things take time. Rome wasn't built in a day, but that's no excuse for sloppiness.
Now, for my community, all I can say is the same things I always say. We know that we're not perfect. We wear our imperfection on our sleeves in the interest of ensuring that we stay accountable to you. But it's sad and unfortunate when this transparency gets warped into a bad thing. The Labs team is hard at work hard creating processes and tools to generate data that will benefit all consumers - a work in progress that is very much not done and that we've communicated needs to be treated as such. Do we have notes under some videos? Yes. Is it because we are striving for transparency/improvement? Yeah... What we're doing hasn't been in many years, if ever.. and we would make a much larger correction if the circumstances merited it. Listing the wrong amount of cache on a table for a CPU review is sloppy, but given that our conclusions are drawn based on our testing, not the spec sheet, it doesn't materially change the recommendation. That doesn't mean these things don't matter. We've set KPIs for our writing/labs team around accuracy, and we are continually installing new checks and balances to ensure that things continue to get better. If you haven't seen the improvement, frankly I wonder if you're really looking for it... The thoroughness that we managed on our last handful of GPU videos is getting really incredible given the limited time we have for these embargoes. I'm REALLY excited about what the future will hold.
With all of that said, I still disagree that the Billet Labs video (not the situation with the return, which I've already addressed above) is an 'accuracy' issue. It's more like I just read the room wrong. We COULD have re-tested it with perfect accuracy, but to do so PROPERLY - accounting for which cases it could be installed in (none) and which radiators it would be plumbed with (again... mystery) would have been impossible... and also didn't affect the conclusion of the video... OR SO I THOUGHT...
I wanted to evaluate it as a product, and as a product, IF it could manage to compete with the temperatures of the highest end blocks on the planet, it still wouldn't make sense to buy... so from my point of view, re-testing it and finding out that yes, it did in fact run cooler made no difference to the conclusion, so it didn't really make a difference.
Adam and I were talking about this today. He advocated for re-testing it regardless of how non-viable it was as a product at the time and I think he expressed really well today why it mattered. It was like making a video about a supercar. It doesn't mater if no one watching will buy it. They just wanna see it rip. I missed that, but it wasn't because I didn't care about the consumer.. it was because I was so focused on how this product impacted a potential buyer. Either way, clearly my bad, but my intention was never to harm Billet Labs. I specifically called out their incredible machining skills because I wanted to see them create something with a viable market for it and was hoping others would appreciate the fineness of the craftsmanship even if the product was impractical. I still hope they move forward building something else because they obviously have talent and I've watched countless niche water cooling vendors come and go. It's an astonishingly unforgiving market.
Either way, I'm sorry I got the community's priorities mixed-up on this one, and that we didn't show the Billet in the best light. Our intention wasn't to hurt anyone. We wanted no one to buy it (because it's an egregious waste of money no matter what temps it runs at) and we wanted Billet to make something marketable (so they can, y'know, eat).
With all of this in mind, it saddens me how quickly the pitchforks were raised over this. It also comes across a touch hypocritical when some basic due diligence could have helped clarify much of it. I have a LONG history of meeting issues head on and I've never been afraid to answer questions, which lands me in hot water regularly, but helps keep me in tune with my peers and with the community. The only reason I can think of not to ask me is because my honest response might be inconvenient.
We can test that... with this post. Will the "It was a mistake (a bad one, but a mistake) and they're taking care of it" reality manage to have the same reach? Let's see if anyone actually wants to know what happened. I hope so, but it's been disheartening seeing how many people were willing to jump on us here. Believe it or not, I'm a real person and so is the rest of my team. We are trying our best, and if what we were doing was easy, everyone would do it. Today sucks.
Thanks for reading this.
The response was openly ignoring the claims