Should Japan Kill This Cat?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2024
- No, they shouldn't. But also, kind of, yes, they should? It's tricky.
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I know a German guy who had a cat in a box and said "maybe"
Schrodinger?
I see what you did there...
Nice.
He was austrian though... Like that little man who wanted to march to poland.
* Austro-Hungarian (ethnic German, though).
The title made me think there was a single cat that was causing havoc somewhere in Japan and no one wanted to kill it.
Little did I know it was a much bigger and more important problem.
There was that one cat that drove an entire bird species to extinction but that was a one off thing. Cats are responsible for more extinctions than the next 10+ candidates combined and are ranked #2 behind humans in the extinction game.
Upvoted because accidentally downvoted and felt obligated to but also, also because same.
Kittyzillla!
The year is 1.7 million A.D. The stealth finch swoops in to take a chunk of human food brick. The humans try to shoot it with their lasguns, but to no avail. The stealth finch has already blended in with the sky, completely invisible from all directions. 1.7 million years of natural selection have made the ultimate finch.
@@TinkeringBard reddit user spotted
casually says "kill all the cats" while holding cats
Kana Koketso Kenney Kana . Ain’t that just painful but true. His attitude towards animals seems pretty indifferent other than his own house pet lol.
@@wfraffle That's...that's the point he's trying to get across about people D:
MrStuchi shhhhh just let them sit confused... It's not worth your time.
and then he proceeds to act like people who agree with killing feral cats want to kill his personal pets *eye roll*. Indoor and properly contained cats aren't the problem. People own potentially invasive species all the time... Such as certain species of snails that if they get out and breed can cause massive problems. They dont let their snails outside.
Your attitude towards animals seems pretty indifferent if you dont care about the billions of birds and small wildlife cats kill every year.
last time we tried that we got the black death, so i assume that cats have a "wanna fucking try it?" attitude.
Schrödinger: Why not both?
Lmao
Yesn't
That would be the taco girl
@R3ktMLG you observed it and collapsed the wave function.
Logically: yes, amazing idea
Our lil hearts: don’t hurt the beans
@Gastón you'd die from the Internet before that
@@remire2322 id never be able to kill any type of animal, just care for them. invasive or not. humans should be caretaker's not destroyers(ironic that we are the biggest killer/predator on earth)
@@zackofpersia5086 That's quite a hypocrisy. By deciding to save that one live you are deciding to end hundreds more. You don't have the moral high ground here. And if we were to be caretakers, we'd have to take "care" of the cats in order to protect all the other species. Sorry that we don't live in a fairytale world where nobody kills nobody.
@@monetum1392 What i know that is killing is wrong and as soon as someone begets an act stained in such disdain they themselves lose the moral high-ground. so say what you must and do what you think is right but all life is sacred and all life should be taken care of. I'm a medical student and killing is the thing i absolutely never want to do in my life and think even the soldiers of a country are just paid non-thinking murderers that dont know what they are even really doing half of the time. P.S that fantasy world you are talking about is called a utopia, and utopia's have to be built by a civilized culture so the question really is can you and humanity be civilized enough and detach from this backward primal/human programming we had through out the centuries and strive for a higher mentality and self worth than that or will we forever be a slave to our own habit's, negative's and history?
@@zackofpersia5086 look I love cats and I dont want then to be killed just as much as you. This is super bullshit. It's our fault there's mad cats and now we gotta kill them. I cant imagine having to do that. Maybe there's places in the world we can send the cats instead of killing them all? Idk man it's super sad but the reality is we have to reduce the cats population
"This episode was produced by the dog council for dogs by dogs"
@@4zap7 neither do cats
@@4zap7 3rd world countries would like a word with you.
from do- ok im sorry
@@4zap7 I don't think you know what 3rd world country is. Germany is 1st world country.
@@4zap7 not ecosystems but cities and towns yes. They can get rabies and shit everywhere. I love dogs more then a measly cat. However they do become problematic and over populated and being realistic adoption cannot solve that.
"If you own twenty cats but kill twenty mongoose are you carbon neutral?"
Xd
No you’re still breathing
*Mongeese
*Mongeesesness
Cutebones neutral
Killing is a bitter pill but I think all cats sold should have been neutered before sale or import into the country.
Neutering the people who buy cats could be effective also.
@@randyralls9658 it is less practical than neutering the cats
Imported humans as well.
How about neutering people who don't take care of their cats (or any pet). If you can't take care of your pet you probably won't take care of your kids.
@@janetscofield7740 I agree to this 100%
"they remind me of myself... They have an insatiable blood lust..."
Hol up what
Apparently a thirst for cats blood
..do you sometimes secretly in your own head wish for another to suffer some painful if brief event? ..that taken to an extreme form is a part of bloodlust.
Cats are basically mini tigers and lions. So yeah, they do deserve to be culled and reduced in numbers. Endemic species suffer the most due to introduced predators such as cats.
- I love cats. I've had about 20 cats in my life....
- What happened to them?
- All cats must die!
@@ShadowMarioModder maybe he killed 20 cats
Genocide can't get any more cute than this.
Wouldn't specicide be more apt?
But they're cats, it's not a certain breed of cat they're just going after cats. So it would need a wider word then genocide
Oh I know. Catocide!
this post didn't gain traction, but i feel it's very important so i'll spam post it on all the comments that did gain traction in order to get the message out :
「no, wtf?? kill them??? just support TNR. everyone in every field of animal rescue and support runs mainly on donations, but TNR (trap/neuter/release) is the biggest priority. there just isn't funding. i'm only at 3:52 in the video, but so far i thoroughly reject your premise. the republicans have gutted the epa, and all funding towards these types of programs, and donation funded programs can only do so much. i'm veg, i don't eat any animals, but cats in particular are the best. TNR is how we fix this issue. also, adopt, don't shop. put breeders out of business. once we get the populations of strays under control, we can have breeders for housecats. though in certain circumstances like keeping mice under control when storing grain on farms and stuff, in that case they're used purposefully, and you'd have a hard time convincing them to get rid of their cats.
ok, the ending few words really made your point. sorry for overreacting, but i think if we put more effort into TNR, we can both have our cute housecats, not kill them, and preserve the environment. there is an answer, just not enough funding for environmental programs.」
Danielle, I can tell you're very passionate about this subject and I think you're very sweet for caring so deeply about animals. My comment was just tongue-in-cheek, there's not much behind it. I've owned cats myself, adopted from a stray nest whose mother was shot and I loved them dearly ^^.
I don't really know how to end this comment... But I think you've got your heart in the right place.
Loved the post-credit scene; spiders, on the other hand, are a help to any environment and we wanna kill them any chance we get.
. . . not me. I'm not afraid of spiders, but I am afraid of birds and bats.
@@gaslitworldf.melissab2897 birds?
Evan seems like a great dude, but he should really understand the size differential at play there. And so should everyone else who goes weak-kneed at the sight of a spiderweb.
@@dsnodgrass4843 Human nature my dude.
@@Vagabond671 Cultural superstition, my dude.
I know the perfect solution. Bring in another animal to get rid of the cats!
Coyotes. They love eating cats
Let's try with mongooses again!
BIG SAVAGE DOGS
what could go wrong?
Ah yes, the Macquarie Island option.
Bigger cats
In the beginning I was confused wether he was in Japan or Hawaii and then I came to a conclusion that this is a video from an alternative timeline where Japan won the Pacific war and acquired Hawaii and no has a cat problem...
it does get confusing since he talks about Japan, then just says he was on "the big island" when refering to Hawaii which only makes sense if you're from Hawaii since it's not that that big of an island really, if it was part of Japan it would only be the 5th largest island and it doesnt even come close to making it into the top 20 list globally. By population it's only got bout 190k people compared to Okinawa's 1.45 million.
Okinawa: the Japanese Hawaii
@@arthas640 Most of Hawaiians are Japanese and Filipinos
I can see a few things to start off with.
1 ban the import of more cats
2 take reasonable measures to keep pets from wandering to far
3 put harsh penalties on abandoning cats/incentives not to “to reduce strays” “aided by the ban of importing making it more likely to adopt local ones”
4 you could consider incentives/ “maybe making it mandatory” for them to be desexed.
The main goal is to reduce strays more then anything for the start.
To add to that for wildlife that goes to urban areas i.e birds you could set up more tempting and safer shelters.
Not meant to really be a solution more mitigation with minimal resource cost.
At 4:36 in the video just incase it mentioned after this “don’t want to press play while typing in the app it tends to glitch out at times.
Donnell Okafor if you watched the issue is that doesn’t work.
They’re not just dealing with a normal amount of strays but a constant increase because almost all cats born there likely to be abandoned. because its cheaper to buy imported cats than to buy local kittens.
Simply stopping the import of more dramatically reduces the issue.
“Running off memory so feel free to mention anything i missed”.
Also severely reduce the number of people breeding cats and making designer breeds so more shelter cats and strays might get adopted. We shouldn't commodify animals like this.
More funds for spay and neutering programs and mobile veterinary units that provide access in rural areas.
More funds to bring in local cats and get them removed.
All this should apply to stray, feral, and "problem" dogs too.
They never asked to be bred, or transported to these territories.
@Donnell Okafor "cheaper" is a solution only to a miser. We have other cheap options that might at least show some compassion to some of the individual cats that can be kept indoors.
If you want Barn cats to be spayed and neutered in the US it cost $200 that's the government incentivized price that's as close to free as you can get at least here in Minnesota where I'm from they freeze if they get too far from anybody's property raccoons kill them if they wander out in the forest in areas that don't have such pressures the most cost-effective way is to import 23 grains of lead for each cat. Effective and humane not pretty but definitely humane.
My family let our cats roam free for years, and we've started keeping them inside for s few years now. I regret letting them murder birds for years, and I won't be letting any other cats I have in the future roam either. It's not responsible in any sense.
teako north, my family was the same way, but now the younger cats are kept indoors. They don’t even want to go out! It’s safer for wildlife and for the cats, and any mice that try to move into the house don’t live to regret it.
Responsible but I believe kind of shitty for the cats.
Cats are just natural free-roamers, but fencing your garden might be a better alternative in some cases.
Bloed Johan, it depends on the cat. My cat and my parents’ indoor cat hate going outside. They’re scared of it. My cat enjoys sitting by the screen door when the glass doors are open, but she doesn’t want to go out, especially with the neighbor’s free roaming cat out there.
Outdoor fenced in areas (fully fenced, including the top) are a nice alternative that many cat owners have opted for instead of letting their cats kill wildlife and/or get sick, infested, injured, or killed by stuff outside.
It is interesting that nobody says that dogs should be allowed to free roam because they like it. Dogs also enjoy roaming around, especially if they’ve formed a small pack with friends or if they’re breeds that just like to run and sniff. Everyone knows that loose dogs can and do kill other pets and even humans, so it’s a no brainer. With cats, we don’t see or care about what they’re killing, so a lot of cat owners give them a free outside pass that they would never give a dog, especially in an area around other people.
@@evilsharkey8954 That's true but dogs are quite easy to confine (teach them to stay in an area) and like working and walking with their owners as an alternative. (Which some cats might also like, I suppose).
But I guess you're right about it all (the first parts).
I reckon that indoor cats don't know any different so they're not missing anything and letting a cat wander around (especially not neutered/spayed!) is quite irresponsible.
it depends on where you live, where i live there arent any endangered species that a cat could harm (i dont see a cat hunting a grey wolf or a bald eagle) so the only things they kill are pest like rats, mice,and similar rodents and super common birds like pigeons, crows, and robins. If you live in an area that doesnt have native felines or has endangered species that can be harmed by cats, definitely keep them inside or make sure they cant escape your backyard (but good luck with that).
This video hit close to home. It's the exact same story here in my home of New Zealand. It's so much harder here since our islands are so large. The cute ones are often the worst, hedgehogs, cats and dogs are some of the worst killers in NZ and its a conversation our country refuses to have because while conservation and the love for the native environment is so important to my home, no one wants to admit we are going to have to kill the cats, dogs, hedgehogs and more because of how cute they are. There are solutions but they are hard and require a massive change in how we deal with pets.
Ya don't have to kill them right now. Make laws tougher, regarding capture and neuter of strays. Release them back if needs be but make sure they can't breed. Pets are to be kept inside only, and not let outside.
They are not a threat to just a few animal species but to our very environment, and thus to us. Some endemic animal species can have critical functions in a biome's maintenance, and the extinction of that species can upset the biome's actual mechanisms so much so that it becomes inhospitable to human life.
Glitch aren't opossums a problem too when they were brought in to control a problem?
Keep pets cats indoors, dogs on a leash, TNR the ferals
@@darlenecuker9711 opossums and rats are also bad, but people have a lot less of an issue with killing them. In fact, dead opossums litter the roads throughout New Zealand because drives will intentionally try to hit them.
@@jellevm That is messed up. But also, they're good for controlling ticks,
A really aggressive trap neuter release program would help some. In general, keep your cats inside and only take them out on harness; the birds will thank you.
All those cats are still going to slaughter tons of birds and other native species over the length of their lives. That's a lot of birds dying because we don't have the ruthlessness to deal with the problem we created.
even my cat was neutered, she catched lots of birds
TNR programs would be really difficult to make work in a place like this with such a high cat population. TNR is more expensive than euthanasia, brings slower results, and some people just might not be able to see it through.
Yep. Put your cat in a box. Make it poop in a box. Tie a rope around it's neck. It's safe, healthy and humane.
@@LotharTheFellhanded Honestly just ship them somewhere else, no cats have to die
Sterilization.
It might be too slow, expensive, and inefficient, but it's probably the only method I could accept and participate in without losing my sanity.
So you're not mentally affected at all by the deaths of the hundreds of native birds a neutered cat can still kill in its life time?
@@catatoblob8598 Are you mentally affected by all the deaths caused by human in their life time? Virtue is not a solution, really.
If your life is closely tied to birds, then yes such idea would affect you mentally, but majority of people, even more so over there where the problem lies, the offender are closer to humans than the victims.
Should I grieve and wail for every deaths out there? No, because that's how life works, that's how nature works.
What mass sterilization and eradication has in common is population control, the main difference being which is faster.
@@MoreLessTer i agree that the majority of people do not care a lot about the death of birds, including, i presume, you. Let me put it this way - if you found out that you have cancer, would you start treatment today, or next year? In both cases, you're going to get treatment, the only difference is time. Except in the real world, in the latter case, you probably die from your inaction. In the birds case, the difference of a couple hundreds of birds per cat could mean the extinction of rare bird species. That's something I think many people do care about.
And for the record, death and extinction is how nature works. Sterilizing lots of cats, as you advocate for, is not how nature works.
@@catatoblob8598 Killing cats is more of an ethical issue. Let's use your cancer example but a little twist. If you found out that you need a heart transplant, would you wait for a donor body to show up or buy from the black market?
Which is exactly why I said that sterilization is inefficient as I am fully aware that birds will keep on dying for as long as those cats live.
Emphasis on "method I could accept and participate in"; even for a good cause, I doubt an eradication action would be feasible if there's low participant and cooperation to work with. As localized the affected area may be, it is still a whole island.
Who said sterilization is how nature works? I'm saying that it's a slower population control method than straight up killing.
TNR only works to an extent, though, and only really for small populations. These need to be killed. Ethics are important but ethically a native species is more important than an invasive one.
As I was watching this, my cat came in with a dead bird
Cool
a gift bro :D
@Sara Woah alright then chill out
@Sara are you ok? you commented 2 weeks ago and came back in such a rage. sounds to me like you're having some thoughts about trucks... trucks are cool but are you sure its not you who should be getting run over by the truck and not the cat?
@Sara i do let my cats roam free and yes they do kill native species... However i have response to that, *straightens tie*. ordinary house cats will kill small birds, mice, rats, scorpions, cockroaches, grasshoppers and other small creatures. i found this on a quick search on google and lets be honest, you dont really want most of those anyway, with an exception of birds i guess. I own 3 cats and yes they do hunt and kill small prey... but so do dogs, foxs, deers, bears, certain types of sheep, boars, elks and so on... OH SHIT I FORGOT TO MENTION HUMANS DO TOO... woops silly me. before you say something on the lines of cats aren't a native species they were brought over and blah blah, may i remind you that neither are humans to well technically anywhere besides Africa. but we expanded, and so did cats. another thingHunting and killing is apart of nature, if no species were allowed to hunt we'd have some very over populated species and a lot of other species go extinct, including plants mind you.
Now onto your next point about how they destroy property, the worse i can see them do is scratch something wooden or poo somewhere... yeah it's annoying but so do other small animals, birds broke a hole in my roof once and made a nest but im not gonna go up there with an AK47 locked and loaded about to go pop some beaks like the Columbine High School massacre. Also if you are on the other side of the fence and believe it's right then may i remind you 2 things. it's very illegal to kill animals that are protected by organisations like the RSPCA or PETA (depending on which country you are from) and can land up in some extreme cases of jail time. 2 the building you live in and the utilises you use to live have destroyed countless amounts of habitats and likely killed hundreds of animals.
Now my last point, you said if i let my cat roam free and hunt, it deserves to be shot. But by the sounds of it. you let your husband roam free and he kills native species to the area. Am i allowed to shoot him? keep in mind he's not only just as bad as the cat at that point, if not worse, he's going against the law. Before you say it's because he's human and it's different, keep in mind you are defending small species that cat kills and defending your husband, who is part of a big species, to kill a smaller species. sounds like you haven't put as much thought into this as i have Karen... oh woops i mean Sara. Just think before you wave your anti cat, border-lining fascist, views and see the big picture :))))
Even in Dwarf Fortress, a game famous for it, I find it hard to bring myself to slaughter cats.
Don't the dwarves get upset by it too
Always remember to sterilise your cats.
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I stick em in a cage. “new kittens born” - to the cage!!
Caden Stevens - I keep only 1 female in a cage, the rest are males all around to kill pests. I release the female once few years and cage the kittens. Since I always lose a few cats every year.
Once the only female was made a pet. That sucked - had to make a pasture in a room with a pet locked door. The dwarf would “free” his pet if it was in a cage
At least now you can sterilize them! In 40d you couldn't. You just caged any incoming cats and hoped for the best.
“They have an insatiable bloodlust”
You uhh... got something you wanna talk about, buddy?
that could be alluding to the fact that he’s a meat eater, like most people
sumojack Whats wrong with that?
Cats deep down are a predatory species, it's part of their nature. It can be argued it's part of the reason they make such good pets.
Jerry Rupprecht wasn’t implying there was. I’m a meat eater, myself
Probably stems from his time drowning mongoose on the daily
I love the hell out of cats and hug mine all the time, but please, for the love of god, keep your cats indoors.
Depends. If there's a rat problem in the neighborhood it might not be that bad.
@@placeholdername0000 cats should stay inside, they hardly kill mice, they go for birds
I literally can’t. That being said I never want to adopt another pet in my life.
The big problem isn’t the pets typically its the strays. The abandoned pets/kittens.
too many just abandon them instead of rehoming them. Mainly Because of pet stores making it too much easier to just buy a imported kitten/cat.
you're mine are great ratters. Rarely do they being home anything else, except a few rabbits or squirrel.
Japan has took killing the Yakuza too far and they start killing the Nyakuza.
*Hat kid dances intensely*
OWO!
Kiryu-nyan
vs Bob Barker: “Spay and neuter your cats” 🐈
We have a cat to get rid of the rodents too, and one day my dad stood at the check-out with *40 cans of cat food and 3 mouse traps* .
The little shits catch anything but rodents
Best tactic so far is to just lock them up in a rodent infested room and give them no other option
that cat has made a plan with the rodents. theyre cunning
We have 9 cats. Only two of them hunt to eat . Most of them only want to eat cat food. We still have a few mice running around. We keep the cats because they often catch and kill snakes, not for eating, just for the thrill of the hunt.
My neighbor had a cat that was a big hunter and then they moved. My cat wasn't a hunter but after leaving for a 4 day vacation I came home to 2 dead mice and now the apartment complex has a total of 4 cats and our mice problem is gone as far as we know.
They were bred for catching rodents.
"What could possibly go wrong?" - every madcap human scheme ever.
"we look them right into their adorable little eye and we kill them and if you agree with that stay the hell away from my house cause you sure as shit not getting mine" 😂😂
In Western Australia it's illegal to have outdoor cats- seems to work OK.
It works because cats live in small areas usually near people and western Australia is crazy huge and has a population less than 50% larger than Okinawa while being roughly 1160 times as large, and being a more hostile environment towards cats than Okinawa is. That said, Okinawa should try instituting a similar system while capturing any stray cats and either putting them up for adoption or euthanizing them as a last resort.
It totally doesn’t work in Australia. They are a menace and are killing the bird population. They are like a plague in Australia.
@@psiloki9054 Australia in general, yeah- WA has different, way stricter laws.
we hunt down feral cats in australia. they are the number one cause of extinction here
Nimbacinus what the fu ck
Think the fires are the cause....
Erik Ho but before the fires? It was the cats.
Gladys Berejiklian coming at a close 2nd to cats
you shoot or grab
6:23 "I could eat that horse"
“Hm...” *looks it up and down* “yeah, I could take him.”
This is one of the reasons I feel absolute disgust every time someone tries to claim that pet cats are "supposed to roam free". You keep your dog indoors, because not doing so is considered horribly irresponsible for oh so many reasons! All the same reasons apply to cats and any other animal kept as a pet.
Agreed. I have three cats (rescues), and when they're not indoors they're in their large, fully-enclosed, purpose-built yard. All the nature they could want… barring that which they could kill.
Yup, keep those pets imprisioned while you enjoy their love at your leisure. It's the responsible thing to do. But I don't love biological beings. I love freedom. So you won't find me keeping animals in life imprisonment. Not past my childhood anyway.
@@Gillsing Personally, I decided to give a cat from the local shelter a home. If you think I am making its life not worth living by keeping it inside and on a leash when outside, away from wildlife, fights, disease, parasites and traffic, then you should come right over and snap its neck. I won't let you, but if this is what you believe, then that is what you should do. It shouldn't be too much of a logical leap for you. Allowing your pets to roam free in an environment unable to defend itself from it, is muder at a far larger scale.
You better not be intending to keep animals at all. If you are someone who thinks "animals are supposed to roam free" you shouldn't be befriending animals in the first place, and especially not be messing with their food chain by feeding them or bringing it with you anywhere outside its habitat. Which is you know, literally anywhere outside since we've brought them worldwide. You can't have both a pet and a wild animal in one creature. If you have any love for nature, you will either kill or imprison every animal you see in an environment it is not supposed to be. Especially in the case of cats, that single individual animal will kill thousands of others in a way most ecosystems cannot recover from. Humans can limit their environmental impact through understanding, instinctive animals cannot. So if we are to take them into our lives we HAVE to impose those same limits on them. If we cannot bring it upon ourselves to prevent our actions from having negative consequences, then we should not have acted in the first place. If we are going to take living animals as pets it cannot come at the cost of other living animals, pets or not. That you would sacrifice other life (wildlife) to give something to your life (freedom for your pet), is disturbing, and indicative of a lot of the things holding humanity back from saving our own world.
@@MentalEdge I let mine outside and its completely fine, if you tards cared about muh environmental destruction you'd look at the top companies doing most of it.
@@ClitoridectomyGroyper You assume people aren't looking at the companies? Caring about more than one thing at the same time is quite easy, try it sometime. You can personally make sure your cat does not cause environmental destruction. Personally stopping corporations from doing the same is a little trickier, but neither is an excuse not to do the other.
And what exactly, do you mean by "it's completely fine"? Does your cat tell you about its adventures every day? Is he fitted with a camera? Does he know not to eat rat poison? Does he have immunity to all disease? Is he your "special bwuddy who wouwd newer gwet into awcidents and smwarter twan all the ower kitties". If nothing else the statistics on indoor vs outdoor housecats are a cold hard fact, and they show indoors live longer. Period. You call that "fine"?
If you only let yours outside supervised, then that is different. I do that too. The point is keeping damage from happening, both to the cat, and its surroundings.
This reminds me of the following passage from Terry Pratchett's "Making Money". The Postmaster General is trying to explain to Lord Vetinari just what has been happening inside the post boxes:
Prologue:- (from Making Money, by Terry Pratchett, pp18-19)
"Look, I can explain" said Moist von Lipwig.
Lord Vetinari lifted an eyebrow…
"Pray do," he said, leaning back.
"We got a bit carried away" said Moist. "We were a bit too creative in our thinking. We encouraged mongooses to breed in the posting boxes to keep down the snakes…"
Lord Vetinari said nothing.
"Er… which, admittedly, we introduced into the posting boxes to reduce the number of toads…"
Lord Vetinari repeated himself.
"Er... which, it is true, staff put in the posting boxes to reduce the numbers of snails… "
Lord Vetinari remained unvocal.
"Er…. These, I must in fairness point out, got into the boxes of their own accord, in order to eat the glue on the stamps." said Moist, aware that he was beginning to burble.
"Well, at least you were saved the trouble of having to introduce them yourselves" said Lord Vetinari, cheerfully.
Yep. It's amazing what we large-brained humans can get up to when we try!
Michael Cherry GNU Terry Pratchett
Better idea- Instead if killing the cats, send them to the US and give them all to me
I don't really understand how you can love something that is quite clearly trying to manipulate you. Dogs are loyal these little shits think of you as their food machine.
@@vaisakhchandranb241 depends on the cat. I've never had two that are the same. Some act like dogs and they are my favorites. I also love dogs that act like cats. Gotta get that balance between the two and they are perfect pets.
@@vaisakhchandranb241 though I will say that I've NEVER met a cat including my own that feel bad when they've done something naughty. They just don't care or acknowledge it. You cannot hurt a cat's feelings. They will refuse food and then still love on you but if they chew your phone cord, scolding never works. Just gotta move the phone. But, they do still crave human affection.
@@dar213311 in my experience they do that when they need something. its just that
@@vaisakhchandranb241I can respect everyone has different experiences with animals. I love snakes and don't have any friends that feel the same. I don't really like dogs overall because I find most of them too needy and don't understand why they like everyone they meet for the most part. To each their own.
Give them collars!!! The bells on them alert prey so it’s much harder to hunt. More active cats can be very, very depressed if it can’t go outside, but yes, if you have a fairly inactive kitty keep them inside.
Skellekitty _ I\I don’t even think you necessarily need to have an active cat outside either. Just keep things to stimulate the cat in the house and play with them.
Then... the cats starve?
Robert Harris Did you not know about cat food?
@@RSStarfire theres... thousands of cats. Most are unowned.
Robert Harris the commenter was specifically referring to cats that people own as pets
The next Wes Anderson movie: Isle of Cats.
It would be Isle of Cats. Not Island. That way you get the double meaning of the title
@@daRiddler32 I honestly don't know if I typed it wrong or I just had my head up my butt. But thank you for the correction.
@@michaelhowell2326 Yeah, with Isle instead of Island it becomes a play on words it sounds like we are saying "I Love Cats/Dogs"
*aisle
@@twr412 no! Isle! As in small island or peninsula such as the Isle of Man
Veterinary schools could do volunteer work as school credit & spay/neuter all cats.
Euthanized any that are disabled or very ill.
Productive project.
On-site training contributing to your Veterinary Program.
Do it with street dogs too.
And Mongoose.
Over time the numbers will diminish.
I did it with Rabbits on my property.
They were enjoyable but didn't want it out of hand.
Worked out very well.
Love all animals but overpopulation can be cruel.
And people can be horribly cruel & abusive dealing with it also.
Not good when there is a good way to handle that.
Culinary schools could do volunteer work as well
Source: My profile Picture, here I'm tenderizing the meat the cucumber is to add extra flavor
But if you listen to the video, TNR really doesn’t help at all. These aren’t rabbits in your yard eating non-native, borderline invasive lawn grass. These are carnivores that kill. They still live on the island and hunt animals. The worst part about cats is they don’t always hunt for food, they hunt for fun. A single cat will kill thousands of songbirds a year. The native fauna would go extinct before the cat populations even came close to naturally diminishing.
The friendliest cats could definitely be trapped and adopted out, but the fully ferals and fatally ill should just be euthanized. It’s a hard truth, but it’s the truth.
@@ditodevice1950 Add locust stuffing with ant powder
@@ditodevice1950 Maybe you could add cockroaches. There are plenty of them as well.
This has been done already, on an island near Australia.
Who, incidentally also generated their own pest problems
@@TheAlps36 true
Macquarie island, its half way to Antarctica. Sealer's introduced rabbits to supplement their food. Rats and mice escaped the ships. Cats to eat the rats, mice and rabbits. 2019 after a few million and alot of effort, no introduced species.
I think they've done a smallish peninsula in Western Australia as well. They've also got feral camels in western Australia
Adam Roodog, New Zealand has done it to some smaller islands, too. They have to be ready for a two phase attack, though, because once the predator pests are gone, the rodents explode, so they need to start with rodent poison immediately.
@@evilsharkey8954 i live in NZ. we got fucking problems here dude
"We only want to save the cute animals."
Dennis Leary.
That's an odd way to confess to being a psychopath.
U mean him or everyone else?
@@kohchenkit266 Yes
RoarOfDamnation mmk
So what's your solution. Should we just let the other species die?
RoarOfDamnation it’s called common sense
Both of my cats are on my lap right now, and one of them is giving me a wide eyed look...
I mean as long as you don't let them outside, who gives a fuck? They cant kill anything if they can't go outside.
They can be an outside cat, just give em a bell and everything will run away from them. We have a cat that was killing bats and possums and ever since we gave him a collar with a bell he hasn't caught anything
He knows
Kill it now
That cat is gonna kill you in your sleep if you dont act quickly!
Make those cat fat so they’re too slow
Wut John and then they lose weight from hunting and unintentially starving themselves. And then they catch something and stay at a weight where they can hunt and survive for a while.
Echo you feed them and keep feeding them to stop them going hunting
yeah turn them to pillow cats
Technically what you are suggesting is to extinct cats through heart problems and obesity like in the US
DARDEK FOILDE for the greater good
This is reminding me of a great Futurama episode, the one where they have to kill the penguins to save the penguins.
@@frogfrogfrogd yeah but fuck snakes, they convinced Eve to eat the forbidden fruit and now instead of living in Eden i have to pay rent for a crackerbox apartment.
@@arthas640 Where would you have lived in Eden? Under a tree?
@@cheshirecynic4524 nah I wanna live near that pig from the Simpsons in their garden of eden, the one that could produce limitless bacon
@@arthas640 Well, I expected an answer rooted in fantasy, but that's not quite the fantasy I had anticipated. I haven't seen that episode, but it's an interesting premise, I suppose. Maybe you should get a job at a pig farm or a slaughterhouse. My hometown has a Fanestil's plant and store, and I honestly think I could live in that store with nothing more than a knife and a heat source. I bet the benefits of working somewhere like that would be awesome, and much easier to attain than a cartoon sitcom's rendition of a religious fairy tale.
This is why you should keep your cats indoors like a responsible pet owner.
Cats *want* to be outdoors, though.
@lethal hipster In many places, them killing birds isn't an issue because there are already too many birds. The rules for one part of the world aren't the same for everywhere.
lethal hipster Isn’t that bit of suffering for them?
@@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 I think you're in denial
@@fuehnix Simply acknowledging the fact that different parts of the world have different ecosystems is being in denial?
love the ending, "and if you agree with that, stay the hell away from my house, because you're sure as shit not gettin' mine"
I love cats. My cats are indoors only, spayed/fixed and the only hunting they do is when something gets inside.
@@adamsavage7551 I agree. In fact, the reason I have so many cats is because other people don't do it.
My kitty was a stray. He is now strictly indoors, I would be absolutely frantic if he was outside. I love songbirds and I love cats. I have never thought cats needed to be free roaming.
Leah McGrew mine are too and they’ve always been like that except for one cat that would be allowed to go into my backyard for a few years before we moved.
The only things they hunt are moths and flies and spiders and stuff like that.
Mine are indoor because we have eagles that eat cats.
Mine lives indoors aswell, but it has managed to kill many birds that get near to windows or manage to get inside... And he's a persian...
I is unthinkable how many he could kill in a few months if he lived outside.
For a start off, begin the process of largely banning cat breeding world wide until further notice. Anyone who wants a cat should obtain it from those rounding up strays, transferring all cats from regions that need to be cleared of them to elsewhere, while banning anyone in those locations from purchasing or bringing in new cats.
The strays may still breed in greater numbers than we have humans to keep a check on them but the fact we are actively contributing millions of new cats to the problem is grossly reckless and ultimately incredibly cruel. (This goes for dogs and possibly other pets as well, there isnt a need for any dog breeder while there is still more than a scant number of dogs left homeless.)
Other plans of course can be to expand capture of cats, if there isnt the physical space to store such massive numbers then you could prioritise spaying and tagging so you can just keep them from breeding. Have phone numbers people should call when they see an untagged stray. Have stronger regulation on owners with actual enforcement and larger penalties etc. Plenty of things you can do before putting them down en masse.
It seems rather stupid to effectively cull animals that bring people across the world so much joy. The loss of a few small bird species is a little price to pay for the joy cats bring to so many.
This is how you get cat ladies and dog people to band together and start a terrorist cell.
Harry Dibbs but it’s not a few small birds. It’s thousands of species, most of which are essential to these ecosystems. Many animals that cats don’t kill depend on animals that cats do kill. The extinction of essential species will ultimately cripple these ecosystems and lead to the extinction of others.
Thank you for your compassionate reasoning. Seems more than unfair to kill these animals because other options would be "hard", especially when it's all the humans' fault.
You would make a great bureaucrat.
Lots of regulation
No solution
Drowning mongeese in a bucket?......Geez man, that's what .22s are for!....Cripes! Its less psychologically traumatic to both critter and man.
Sometimes it is just too expensive though. Cost man, it gets all us conservationists everytime
B&T VP9: th-cam.com/video/o7tP9s4mm5I/w-d-xo.html
Kill your animals humanely and with little noise
@@hugebigpenis1 Really? $24 can easily get you 500 rounds. That'd cover over a year's worth of "mongoose a day" that was mentioned in the video. Add in $100 for a cheap .22lr rifle or pistol. $124 + tax and your job gets considerably easier and less traumatic.
PCP pellet rifle also come in such caliber. It may have bigger entry cost but Its pellet are dirt cheap so it pays for itself
When I lived in Hawaii we would trap and shoot mongooses with an air rifle. They used to bit the barrel of the gun when you stuck it into the cage. Relentless little bastards.
Kaiju solution: Bring a big ass bird that fights back lol
This is why my cats live in the house and never go outside, except on a leash.
House cats should be house cats, not yard cats not neighbourhood cats.
Yeah, I applaud you. I found it so infuriating to find out that as a homeowner (and bird watcher) there is nothing I can legally do about cats doing their business in my gardens and predating on my feathered visitors. If I had 'livestock' say chickens and they killed them, then I could, but otherwise no. There should at the very least be leash laws regarding any domesticated animal. Again thank you for doing what all pet owners should even if you are not required to.
I dont like the idea of arresting my cat in the house like a prisioner, a cat needs to go outise, they need to check and "protect" your home, they need to venture in the city alone and come back for food and cuddles, a cat needs to be free. You are creating depressed and lazy cats. If you dont like what they do in the ecosystem simply dont have one, its better than putting them in a miserable existence by denying them their natural form of life like a poor bird in a cage.
@@pedrotasca9733 my cats are neither depressed or lazy. They are very active, I have cat highways in my house allowing the cats to get up high and avoid human traffic when they want to. Since my original post, I have even built a catio off of my screened porch giving my cats access to a large area of my yard that fully enclosed by chain link.
Indoor only cats live longer lives. That is a fact. If your cat is allowed unrestricted outdoor access, it will eventually either run in front of a car and die, or pick a fight it can't win with another predator. My next door neighbor laughed at my catio when I was building it, he had an osprey kill his kitten last week, now he is building a catio.
Agree: we got 3 cats inside, and we never let them outside. However, if they do plan to run away and go outside, it's going to be their way and we (usually) won't let them go back inside anymore. Now I said "usually" because what happened to 2 of our cats is that they did escape and lived as strays for a month and then returned home, and never left the house again: I think they learned that living as strays isn't easy after they lived for years at home and I remember one of our cats recently returned after a month and he was not only a lot happier and active to be back, but he's a lot more social too and of course never attempted to flee ever again.
Well Franklin at least you have common sense.
Beginning of the video: “I love cats”
My brain: “...I love every kind of cat... I just wanna hug all of them, but I can’t.. cant hug every cat!”
Santi Decunto man, that took me back!
SAME, ONLY 90S KIDS
Disclaimer: every cat was hurt during the making of this video.
Lol I hope killed too
And this is one of the many reasons you should have an indoor-only cat.
I've heard that data suggests spaying/neutering does more for population control than outright death so I would say no. I would say the same for the mongoose as well. Some would say its a compromise and that stray spay/neuter systems are more expensive than just killing on sight but if you truly believe in reversing some of the worse actions of humans then that small expense is worth it.
Cats can live for 20 years and can kill a lot of birds during that time.
@@protennis365
If you kill enough cats that there is no competition for food the remaining cat population will BOOM in the next 20 years.
If you spay/neuter then the cat may still attempt to fight over mates and prevent other tom cats from mating. The only way killing the animals works is if you are fast enough to kill every single one AT ONCE.
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Basically, 10 males and 10 females. If you kill 9 males then the last male will breed with 10 female cats making 80 new kittens.
If you kill 9 females then the last one will breed and you get 8 kittens.
If you sterilize 9 males they will still compete with the last male preventing him from breeding thus making 0 kittens. 0 is a smaller number than 8 and also 0 is a smaller number than 80.
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The real world isn't so cut and dry and the numbers are different, but this extreme example shows how spaying and neutering can help control FUTURE populations better than simply killing animals.
@@chillbro1010 I just going to get knife and skin it and eat the cat.
Japan: "killing cats is **LEGAL** "
Also Japan: "we will make Catgirls in near future"
It's all fun and games until your cat girl girlfriend destroys the native bird population
"A soul for a soul."
That ending was brilliant!
My cat deposits a dead rat on my front porch, "GOOD KITTY! YOU GET TUNA TONIGHT!" Leave it there, and the Possum will eat it overnight.
Insatiable blood lust, incurable arachnophobia.
It really do be like that
I spent a morning at the Lanaii Cat Sanctuary, which was established to help both feral cats and endangered birds, and it was magical. I'm sure it's not the only sanctuary of its kind.
me: i need to go to school early tomorrow
also me at 2am: *watching a guy promote the idea of killing all cats to save the ecosystem*
Huh, funny how almost every commenter has the "best solution".
There's only one logical conclusion... To kill them. They're vermin. They're absolute pest that devastate ecosystems but peoples emotions get in the way of making logical decisions. It's pure stupidity.
@@retiredtidepodeater3339 And once their all gone, it's gangsta time for the Rats!
Cats in space, we are going to build a space world and we are gonna have the cat population build it for us
The final solution
It's very likely that there are native plants that rely on native birds for seed distribution. Rare species in North America relied on now extinct large animals, and are now in decline.
James Driscoll you are correct. My favorite example in America is the Osage Orange tree, also known as the Bow d'Arc, Hedge Apple, or Cow Apple tree. Once they had a range completely covering the continent, but now are only encountered where farmers planted them as a hedgerow, or along stream or riverbanks where the green grapefruit sized "fruits" floated downstream. Their biologically evolved method of distribution? The Mastodon and Woolly Mammoth. These mast-chewing Pachyderms would crush and digest the food, depositing it's seeds in piles of manure wherever they went, maintaining the range of this plant in a symbiotic relationship. Once they dissapeared, there was no other animal evolved to fill this niche, and the once dominant Osage Orange experienced a severely reduced range.
@@davidmurphy6884 Here is a short video about the Crucifixion Thorn, in the Sonoran Desert. th-cam.com/video/uDP7PD-yl18/w-d-xo.html
@@jamesdriscoll9405 yes, HUGE fan of his videos. Salt of the earth botanical savant. Refreshing.
@@davidmurphy6884 Deer eat hedge apples (have seen it firsthand), but the lack of other large seed-carriers makes a lot of sense for the tree's decline. Also, fun fact: If you put hedge apples around your basement (in/on something that will contain it as it rots), they help to deter mice, spiders, and crickets.
Better control of cat ownership, treat them like the extremely dangerous and destructive animal they are
And I say this as a cat owner and complete hypocrite
So far i didn't consider cat owners to be dangerous and destructive animals but ... maybe you got something there!
"Fixing" cats *_and_* their owners would solve the problem within a generation. There is the answer to Evans question "how can we?"
Just put a blade near my nut sack and watch the concept of environmental conservationism overcome my love of cats...
@@uegvdczuVF
Ownership as in the owning of cats.
As in only people who are provably responsible enough to care for a cat while keeping it away from the ecosystems they destroy should own cats.
Are you ok?
I never thought it would happen: This spring a cat had a litter under my back porch. Momma cat (I named Stir Fry) had three kittens Chop Suey, and the two black ones I named Soy Sauce and Teriyaki Sauce. Choppy disappeared one day. I fed them all summer and moved their food to my front porch where the 2 little ones (since renamed to Big Boy and Sissy) quickly took up residence. Stir Fry still shows up occasionally but the 2 little ones were here to stay. Since our land lord forbids pets I built them a deluxe cat house from plywood I found. It is well insulated and even has a small heater I found online. We keep it on the front porch. So our landlord won't bitch about the kittens being in our apartments. Then I started to hear terrible stories about what happens to black cats around Halloween. Into the apartment they went for a few days. I showed them both of the litter boxes and we haven't had a single mistake. Since they were in the house anyway we figured we ought to get them neutered and get them all their shots. $200 and one day later they were back home. We have to keep them inside for 2 weeks after their operations but I know now for sure they will be spending the winter inside. That neat cat house I built? It's still outside (and the heat is left on) and occasionally a stray will spend the night.
Dennis White if you can consistently trap strays and have them fixed and then release them again, you’d be hugely helping your local ecosystem.
@@candykanefpv nice one
@@candykanefpv They charged me a little more because technically they did not deem these kittens as strays or feral. The fact I did not want their ears notched meant they were pets. They notch the ears of feral or stray cats brought to them for neutering so anyone noticing their notched ears would not bother trying to capture them. Seeing their ears notched would indicate they have been neutered. The price for just neutering a stray or feral cat is about $45. But how do you release them again w/o all the shots and treatments for fleas and mites? It starts to add up thus the $200 (actually $175) charge for my 2 kittens. Anyway if I see Stir Fry around I will nab her and pay for her but I'll let them notch her ears which brings down the cost. There is this other solid gray little kitten I would domesticate and keep but she is too skittish yet and her mom is still nursing it. I'm retired and on a fixed income so doing this for about 3 or 4 cats a year is the most I can pay for.
I’m pretty sure there was a case on an island around New Zealand where they eradicated cats entirely and it made things worse because then the rats were rampant
just stop fucking with things and things will get better. i dont think its a human plkace to keep fucking with nature
Humans are a part of nature. It's a pretty artificial distinction and leads to all kinds of absurd ideas about who we are...
It's not like we can leave 'nature' alone. Our very presence fucks up anything remotely near to where we live...
Introduced animal and plant species are just one of many, many ways that we fuck up an ecosystem just by being in proximity to it...
The rats are also an introduced species to New Zealand.... besides they know how to deal with rats so whats your point?
I have a strong emotional reaction with every single episode, Evan. I sincerely hope that the two of you continue documenting the world.
Good stuff man, a difficult situation for sure. Can we repair the damage we have done with invasive species, or will the environment solve it for us? At this point, we are kind of screwed. Cats, fortunately, stick to the cities at least, whereas the mongoose has a wide range. But the ultimate invasive species is the hardest to get rid of..... *US!*
Just about the cats sticking to cities. They actually spread really far outside of cities, it's one of the problems with cats here in Nz, once they have the room they grow their territory and kill way more birds, lizards and the like.
OK, how about this. Know what the tree line is on the mountains? Nothing grows above that line because there's not enough carbon in the atmosphere to support photosynthesis. And every day, over 37,000 tons of carbon are removed from the atmosphere. If humans hadn't started digging up and restoring all that carbon to the atmosphere from coal, oil and natural gas, the tree line would have reached sea level in 2 million years from now. We have extended the possibility of life by millions of years, and planet Earth is noticeably greener from space. You're welcome, Earth.
@@tibetloga extra carbon dioxide has diminishing returns, but a larger concern is methane from the Arctic.
@@hugebigpenis1 yes you are correct, I was just trying to see some positive in the situations. But yes they do go everywhere
If Elon Musk has his way we can go be an invasive species somewhere else that’s not so fragile
Love that endcard lol "made by the dog council for dogs by dogs"
It is important that we humans must be responsible for our own consequences. We should understand the question of not that we can do it but should we do it? If we change things without a second thought, what we think is great in the short run turns out to be very harmful in the future. Some mistakes that we made can't be undone overnight. I think of this quote by John Hammond: " If we could only step aside and trust in nature, life will find a way."
Yeah, i completely understand. I friggin love cats and i have owned like 10. My family had 8 at time once.
But cats are like rats, meaning that they are incredibly sucessful at what they do and if left alone, they would multiply endlessly and destroy everything in their path.
Meaning that besides direct human intervention, cats, dogs and rats are the biggest destroyers of wildlife and endangered species all over the world.
And since they are super sucessful invasive species, there isn't a thing we can do besides killing them.
It's a shame, but let's face it.
There are billions of cats. While just a couple thousands and sometimes even less individuals of many critically endangered species. I would rather kill some cats instead of losing an species to extintion forever.
Wait what do rats kill?
@@bourisb24yearsago11 basically everything smaller than them.
During the age of discovery rats contributed a great deal in the extinction of several species particularly by eating the eggs of island birds.
@@LordZero666 ok did I ask?
@@bourisb24yearsago11 yep. According to my basic knowledge of how language works, when you finish a sentence in a ? sign you are making a question.
@@bourisb24yearsago11 are you literally braindead
“HOUSE - Cat” if they’re kept inside the owner’s house there wouldn’t be any problem. These are domestic cats, whether feral or a pet; these are not wild cat species. People should be responsible enough to keep them inside, and always have their cats spayed or neutered. Problem solved.
If only it was that easy.
Its animal abuse to keep a cat inside your house tho. (unless your house happens to contain forrest)
adrian roed
Where on earth do you get the idea cats have to have trees and live outside??? Most cats do enjoy high places they can watch their world from, but that doesn’t have to be trees, or outdoors to keep cats purr-fectly content! Cats are incredibly adaptable.
Our house is presently populated by 13 rescued always indoor cats (we call them “used pets” because they were discarded one way or another by some irresponsible somebody). Three members of our cat herd are feral kitties that have been full-time indoor cats since I rescued them and their very feral momma cat when they were young kittens.
None of our cats ever want to go outside, and they never have.
They all enjoy sunny windowsills, a choice of heated beds, high shelves in our living room, high quality food, lots of affection - except the feral girls who still don’t like being touched, but they do like conversing with me, and they will eat treats out of my hand. All of our kittles hang out close to us when we watch TV in the living room. If the cats weren’t content to stay indoors you know they would shoot through an open door at the first opportunity.
There is absolutely nothing abusive about keeping cats indoors if their needs are provided for. Most of our cats live a healthy life well into their 20’s. Outdoor cats seldom if ever get the chance to live that long.
@@lonnarheaj i would say your house is a perfect example of what i meant by unless your house happens to contain a forrest.
You have a lot of cats, and a lot of things for said cats. Most People with cats don't buy anything near the amount of things you have, and a lot of people have 1 or 2 cats. Leaving a single cat alone in a small house for ~8+ hours a day is what i meant by it being animal abuse. This happens to be the way a lot of people keep pets, they buy a cat or dog and get some toys they can play together with but dont think about the time the pet spends alone with nothing to do.
@@adrianroed2178 a cat being bored for a few hours is considered abuse in ur eyes? Of course cats will have nothing to do in small amount of time as people obviously have jobs and errands. I'm not sure you understand what jobs are. Cats dont feel abused for being left alone for a couple hours a day until their owners return home. Obviously.
@@adrianroed2178 you can provide entertaining toys and activities for your cat, just as dog owners designate time to play with their dog and take them outside. There are options like enclosed patios to allow them outside time. This might result in a cat yeowling if it is used to going out but a cat raised indoors only will likely tolerate this very well. It is also a small price to pay if other native species will survive. It also means that your cat is less susceptible to poisoning, being run over, or being shot by some of the psychopaths in the comments. Do it for your cats if nothing else.
Leaving them alone for 8 hours isn't abuse. They sleep for 14 hours anyway so maybe they'll spend that time napping.
I live on Oahu yes there's a mangoose problem
Isnt Australia also having this same issue with cats?
and rabbits, I think.
Cats need to be kept inside. Neither of our cats are allowed to go out and murder.
Mmmmmm. Cat piss.
@@randyralls9658 Mmmmmmm. irresponsible owner
mine are but there isnt anything remotely endangered where i live, they just kill garden variety rats, pigeons, squirrels, mice, and stuff like that.
Why keeping a cat if you're not gonna let him out? Just don't adopt/buy one
They're not dogs and they need to live in their environment, the solution is not keeping them inside but not having them at all
@@andreatommasi3287 Where I live, outdoor cats kill huge numbers of songbirds then usually end up eaten by something larger. Them indoors is a win/win. How many cats would you need to never return from the woods, over the decades, before you decided it was in everyone's best interest for them to stay indoors? There's a reason there are no populations of feral cats where I live, they all get eaten. edit: Our Fishers and Coywolves get most of them. Not to mention they are an invasive species is so many places, and just destructive in others. Responsible people shouldn't ever let them run wild. Fishers have been known to kill Canada Lynx and Bobcats, house cats are easy prey.
Minor point. Humans did not domesticate cats. Cats domesticated us. Don't believe me, just ask my cat.
Evan: Yonaguni island should murder all its cats.
me: Well... sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
cat: ᵐᵉᵒʷ
me: THE WORLD CAN PERISH AS FAR AS I CARE STAY AWAY FROM THE CAT
@Donnell Okafor and also all life
The kinder action is TNR -trap neuter release
But, i can see where kiling them may be the answer.
The mongoose do make lovely pets if they're spayed/neutered & hand raised
Kim in Alaska key is hand raised. They have to be from an animal that already had a nice temperament, along with the babies being exposed to humans from a very young age and it has to be consistent.
TNR is a waste of time and money.
abcbirds.org/program/cats-indoors/trap-neuter-release/
@@ejlerthomsen exactly.
Nah, neutered cat can still kill
@@LastBastion but they cant breed. You have to take the long view. TNR is more effective in the long run because most people will willingly take stray cats for a free service but draw the line at murdering them.
Easy!
Just swallow the spider.
Surely that'll be the total end to the problem.
Im sure somewhere someone in the universe is saying the same thing about humans and their population problem and finding a solution to it...hopefully soon
Yeah, we call it Illuminati. 500k human only allowed
@@LastBastion Apparently that doesn't apply to countries like India and China etc....
@@MadMax-ye2ye people need to be educated. It's horrible that we are the 'smartest' species on earth and we're the ones destroying it the most.
The truth is the more educated you are the more you are able to manipulate and destroy by industrialisation and working for corporations. I've tried and seeked everywhere for a solution only to realize like in that movie. "IT'S IN NATURE TO DESTROY OURSELVES." what if we are the angels of death?
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Great video, like all and every one of them. I appreciate very much your incredible ability to put the subject from different perspectives. Really nice to listen to you, Evan. Greetings from Poland for you and for eveyone who helps you with Rare Earth!
Could just simply neuter. And mandatory pet registration. And other things.
Yes please. But make or free or extremely cheap and accessible so people can't have an excuse.
maybe find and throw them in a deep lake
I've always been more of a dog person than a cat person, but I have loved a few cats over the years. But my last cat was poisoned by a neighbor, six months later my son's cat was poisoned by the same neighbor, and six months after that, our roommates's cat met the same fate. We have consciously decided not to have cats anymore. It's partially because of the poisonings, but it's also because we recognize that cats are, in fact, beautiful, warm, furry, loving little killing machines.
I used to hear bird songs every day. Now I don't even hear bird songs every _month._ And it makes me sad. Also, the bird songs I _do_ hear now sound like car alarms, and it's not pretty. I miss the wild canaries that used to live in my yard. Or anywhere. They just don't exist in my part of northern California anymore.
You can always keep indoor cats. It’s nice to see people like you taking responsibility for situations like this. I’m sorry about what happened to your cats though.
Poison that f'n neighbor. You poison my cats, I will f with you in a insane manner.
I don't know what area in NorCal you're in but around my little condo complex (in a city in Sonoma County) there are enough trees to support songbirds despite the decent cat population. I like having both. Raccoons on the other hand are just annoying animals that should be left to the country only.
Tell the Chinese: Cat meat is aphrodiziac
That only works if the animals are endangered. Chinese people dont give a crap about pigeons but if anyone discovered some intact fertile Dodo eggs i guarantee half of them would disappear and some Chinese millionaire would be using them as lube to try and get his limp useless dick to work. I understand why people used crazy aphrodesiacs before modern medicine since we didnt know they were useless but we have cheap available Viagra now and it's been proven to be a hundred times as potent as Panda eyeball tea or tiger blood milkshakes.
@@arthas640 the chinese mostly make medicine out of animals that were endemic to China, based of ancient traditions from back in the day when getting those ingredients were life threateningly difficult. Why don't you go rip on the Malagasy people for eradicating the giant lemurs, or the Maori for eating all the Moas, dumbass?
Catato Blob because the Chinese have pushed species to the point of extinction in the 21st century.
@@thegrandcanyon9861 china has 17% of the world's population living on 6% of the landmass, and it's barely past its industrial revolution. Parts of its population still maintain indigenous lifestyles. Protection of endangered species depend on education, policy, and the capacity to enforce policy. The US passed its industrial revolution in the 19th century. Wanna tell me how many species the US drove to near extinction in the 20th century for the sake of convenience and cut costing, smart guy?
Catato Blob I’m pretty sure it’s not the lower income Chinese hiring hunters to go all the way to Africa to hunt extremely rare animals. Where does the money to pay for the rare parts come from?
I would recommend making infertile cats (similar to a proposal for destroying mosquito populations) using gene editing ( with a virus it could be done on living cats as well) to lower their numbers in the wild and make laws that will require all cats on islands to be infertile. Avoid cat murdering by stopping cat making. Its also gonna be near impossible to kill all cats on an island while a contagous virus will probably spread fast and can be helped to spread faster. And of couse this will not be as terrable as cat genocide.
Australia & New Zealand have this same problem. Shooting feral cats on farms is a legitimate pest control method (though totally unable to control the problem). For the record, I love cats too & have had many in my life.
Yes. In fact the Banana Shire Council in Queensland actually has a bounty on feral cat and fox scalps.
Cats simply need to be kept indoors. Otherwise they become a particularly destructive invasive species.
I'd say:
Gather up the cars.
Move the kittens to areas where kitten demand exceeds kitten supply.
With the adult cats, feed them, but don't let them breed (i.e. divide between male and female cats).
Create a petting area.
Wait for them to die.
There you go, problem solved.
First comes the mongoose, next comes the cat, and after that? Soylent green.
then the dogs, then gorillas. when winter comes around, theyll simply freeze to death
Feeding strays is just running a free-range kitten mill.
Very eye opening, I guess we forget about how the things we introduce into the environment changes it. Not just pollution but also our pets.
I mean, they are pests, and in my mind they shouldn’t be treated differently, they are causing havoc. The only problem is how you’re going to collect them all in order to do the killing with that incredible number of them in the place.
David Poche In my opinion they ain't causin havoc
We are
Macquarie Island is an interesting case of this sort of environmental restoration. They failed at their first attempt, in which they killed or removed all the cats from the island, but other non-native species such as rats had a sudden surge in population with a decrease in bird population. Then they tried again; their second attempt was more complicated, but in the end they successfully removed all non-native species from the island. It was the largest successful remediation project ever undertaken, and it still is. It is an example that we are capable of taking care of the environment at the detriment of cats.
However Macquarie Island was, and still is, far less populated than Okinawa.
Reminds me of Robinson Crusoe. He had to "control" the population of cats because they were annoying.
Well, they don't call it the final solution for nothing.
People's Republic of China:
Well yes, But actually, No.
in china cats are a delicacy smh
Cats taste pretty nice
I have two house cats. They stay in the house and never leave. They keep our house free of mice and do not kill birds because they are strictly house cats. There are times I would like to kill them, but they are usually nice to have around.
Keeping them in the house only, is good responsible cat ownership. People letting their cats roam and not having them desexed is often a massive cause of these issues.
Spay, and neuter them, and then sell them as pets.
I love cats. They've been part of my life since forever. But outdoor house cats and feral cats are perhaps the most damaging invasive species on the planet. I'm with you on this.
Ursus sapien I'm not trying to insult or undermine you but
Killing cats? That's like fighting blood with blood, I highly disagree
Why drown them in a bucket? Thats just about the least humane way of killing them.
How do you kill something in a wire mesh container? It was about as humane as anyone I've met has ever come up with regarding mongoose eradication. You can't exactly let it out of the trap nor touch it.
@@RareEarthSeries Most people I know shoot them in the trap or have snap kill traps when they trap squirrels, I would think the same would work for mongooses.
@@falconJB Not at the farms I worked at nor other workers I spoke with. Wire mesh, no opening even remotely large enough to shoot through.
Spare the cats
I, for one, look forward to our feline overlords
Then what are we gonna do about the birds then? Just extinct them because they are less valuable to cats?
CrazyShock A bunch of animals have already gone extinct or have been put on the fast track to extinction because we consider them lesser than humans. Realistically, no, I wouldn’t want the birds to go extinct. But if we’re willing to put so much effort into keeping ourselves fat and happy at the expense of other species, then we’re clearly capable of putting the effort into finding alternatives to killing a bunch of animals who had no hand in becoming invasive. We could capture them and put them in shelters/adopt them out; we could fine people for not spaying or for letting their cats out/abandoning them; we could increase spending on spaying feral cats and letting them go. It would be a lot of effort, but we need to learn that our actions have consequences and we can’t just erase the problems we’ve caused through killing them
@@KellseyAlexHipo I was thinking something worse than that all stray cats die and the tagged ones live. Or a more strict way the cats those collars with tags on them gets fined for being outside. All cats have to be house cats. I don't like cats dying tho but it needs to be done.
I am sooooooo ready ! Sounds cute and fun (:
All hail our cat overlords! 😍😍😍
There is a swapped scene on the cute and vicious in 7:06. Such a lovely and cute spider, the dog is obviously the vicious one. :)
This is something I've thought for a long time, but never expressed publicly for obvious reasons. Environmentalism isn't about preserving our vision of the world and shouldn't be bound by our biases. At the very least all strays should be sterilized and red tape put on ownership.