I love how engaged this caller was with the conversation. He was actually listening and honestly considering the hosts' questions, as opposed to simply calling in with the intent to reaffirm his personal beliefs. It's wonderful to hear someone challenging their own core beliefs in real-time. Excellent call👍
@@CheesyChez421 Faith is based on imaginary speculations. Atheism is based on reasonable expectations based on reality. Why religious people do not understand the indisputable fact they they are ALL atheists about THOUSANDS of imagined gods I do not know? A person claiming to believe in ONE god, is not absolved from their disbelief (atheism) towards all the others. Here is the self evident reason why ALL gods are imaginary. One two part question for people with superstitious religious beliefs. (A) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that the sun used matches and candles to spread light and heat at night. Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)? (B) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that something capable of creating a universe and everything in it, used puny humans and books to spread accurate information. Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)? All gods are imaginary. No people = No imagined gods. I think you will find THAT is checkmate unbelievers.
Because it is the term superstitious religionists use to describe other people who do not believe in imaginary gods. Even though they do not believe in (are atheist about) thousands of gods. They do not seem to understand, how strongly atheist, they themselves are.
Wait a minute- don't atheists have faith in their own beliefs that scientific materialism explains everything? Don't they refuse to believe some people experience the extraordinary and these experiences, though not duplicatable in labs, are not the words of kooks, nut jobs, paroidelia, illusions, brain disorders, publicity seekers, chemically imbalanced, delusional? Because these dont fit into your box, you exclude them as valid experientially.
@@maxfrisch1911 It would make the SAME amount of sense, as these are grammatically alternative ways to say the same thing in English. Prepositional phrases are the PRESCRIPTIVE standard, but dangling prepositions DESCRIPTIVELY follow the more common construction in spoken English.
very likely you believe in the multiverse as explanation for the fine tuning of the universe something there is 0 evidence for therefore accepted on faith.
Well are you saying this planet was fine tuned for fish as they can live in more of it than other species? What are you actually talking about? Multiverse. How could we know? We can't see outside of this one. Considering that if you see a dandelion, you know this dandelion is one of many, some never got to the seed stage, some half grew some made it to complete dandelions. This procedure seems quite common with a lot of things. Maybe universes are the same? A reasonable speculation. Again how could we know. So no, I do not have faith. I have reasonable expectations basedn on reality. For example. I do not believe any human can fly simply by flapping their arms. Until someone demonstrates the ability to do so, I will consider the idea to be an imaginary speculation. Same with fire breathing dragons and gods. They are imaginary concepts not realities.
The problem is that we know exactly what happens to us after we die, we won't exist any more, and it's that reality we fear. People don't want that reality to be true so they make up comfortable stories to believe in instead of what will actually happen.
@@brianmonks8657 "The problem is that we know exactly what happens to us after we die, we won't exist any more" I agree for 99.99999 ..... %. If you say 100% it is a claim. And there is no way to prove that.
@@MrCanis4 We know enough about the brain to know it's true. Absolute certainty doesn't exist and trying to hide behind it and say well, we can't prove it 100% is just hiding from reality. Nothing is known at 100% so anyone can claim uncertainty about anything they don't want to be true, that doesn't change what will happen one bit.
@@MrCanis4 Sure there is. Organisms which die, by definition, no longer sustain a metabolism. They consequently decay into their constituent materials. If this process doesn't take place then, by the same definition, the organism HAS NOT DIED. Saying "what if there's some magic process involving some invisible dimension of reality?" is a groundless speculation. It's not something to which we can assign a probability, because probability involves random variables, and we cannot justify the existence of such a random variable in this case. In other words, something doesn't become POSSIBLE just because you have decided that you can speculate about it. You're just making shit up.
RUN. Don't walk...away from religion. I wasted 47 years on the militant inside. Emancipated for 10 years now, spent the last decade as a decent human being...I highly recommend it!
Just for reference - the traditional description of the Moon being made of green cheese is using the word ‘green’ in the sense of ‘new’, not actually the colour green.
@stevenkinney2740 eh, I think what they are getting at is that an atheist is being hypocritical for saying faith is bad when they "secretly" have faith too. I mean, not any better but I don't think they are admitting to faith being bad when they say that.
My alcoholic neglectful father, has found religion in recent years and is now training to be a minister. He's still an asshole, he's now just a sanctimonious one
My mother became overzealous in Christianity after my father passed away. I believe religion helped her through that time in her life. Not a good way to grieve but it helped her nonetheless.
@@modernenglishman7802 I told her just the other day that I would never try to sway her from those beliefs because I do know she finds comfort in it. I also told her I hoped she understood why I don't and can't believe it. She does. Catharsis
Let’s imagine that atheism is based in faith (which it is not, let’s be clear on that), then by saying we need faith too you agree that faith is a bad thing. So my question now is : what’s the position that has no faith ? Because clearly that position will be better as no faith is better than needing to have faith, so what’s that position ?
I love how people say we have the absolute free will to do right or wrong, and yet they also say no one actually does right. Why is it that no one is actually free to will that they never do anything wrong?
The very concept of original sin refutes free will. Especially when we had no ability to consent to having original sin. It was inflicted against our free will.
Course not, christianity is predicated on people being pieces of shit. If you try to rationalize it beyond that point you're going to wind up with a dichotomy so vicious your brain will split in two.
I never believed in religions even as a child. My family is super Christian. They would talk about how they felt god. I told my mother I did not feel it. She got so mad at me. How dare an eight year tell her he didn't feel god. My parents never told me about Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, etc. Maybe since they never told me about magical beings, I couldn't believe in their magical beings.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk He was executed for insurrection according to the laws of the land, according to the fictional account in a book called "the bible".
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk You want it both ways, Carla, just like all the hypocritstian bible babblers that post here. You want to claim that your book of bronze age desert nomad mythology is true and when somebody quotes what is written in the book your only argument is to claim that the person making the quote doesn't believe the book is true. It's a true dilemma for *YOU,* carla. I don't care which option you choose. It's fake news murder or your death cult hero was a criminal who was executed according to the law. Pick one. Or pick both! Either way, you look and sound ridiculous.
I want to live free and be me, whoever I grow up to be. I want the same thing for all humans, equally. And god/gods will throw me into hell for that. Why is that a sin? Is going to hell for that fair? Is that love? Is it forgiving? Is it smart? Is it an action of an all-knowing, all-powerful and all-benevolent being? Hell No! Do parents punish their kids for treating their siblings and friends as equals?
Theism is tribal. Secularism humanizes the other tribes. Atheism is not seeing a reason to keep living in tribes. Secularism and Atheism are the only way to build cities bigger than a single tribe.
The initial comment on whether the moon was made of green cheese had a bad effect on me. From then on, every time Jesus was mentioned, I heard Cheesis. Agh!
"Atheism is based on faith." "But I do not have to do anything YOU say based on our faith in atheism.' "On the other hand, I have faith in god so you have to listen to me, do what I tell you to do and give me money."
The phrase nobody has the time to become an expert in everything is a good explanation of religion. Religion is a panacea, I don't know what that thing is but god does and that means it's going to be okay.
What a wonderfully constructive discussion that was! And I agree with your finao notion. In the end it doesn't matter wheter or not a god exists. What's important is that the rules imposed on us create a net positive for society.
Imposed on us by whom? I dont think i'm qualified enough to make any rules, unless "free icecream sunday" is a good rule to implement. Also free healthcare, but we got more bloaters then we got people who want to be healthy so that free icecream sunday is going to make them vote for me
Ill be honest, the thought that ones loved ones are watching us, is more terrifying than comforting.. Nor am i certain that i want to see all of em again...
Hi Kids, Let's have fun with Logic!!!! If not believing in the Christian God takes Faith in that very god, meaning that one really really believes in that very Deity. Then by simple extension ALL of the gods Christians say THEY don't believe in means they really do. And so they are breaking the first commandment automatically because Not believing is Believing. There now that didn't hurt did it? All the best to everyone Jacques
I have seen some theists say that other gods do exist in some fashion ,but they are lesser / minor gods or not the true God. Which is why the 1st commandment says not to worship them over the God of the bible
@@kasocool2812 I've also seen those claims. The idea comes from St. Paul 1Cor.10-20 No, I am suggesting that what the pagans sacrifice they offer [in effect] to demons (to evil spiritual powers) and not to God [at all]. so I'm aware of the Theology. My point was more of a logical one than a theological one. If NOT believing is actually BELIEVING then whatever one does not believe in, I'm sure Christians do NOT believe that Moloch is a god, therefore if NOT believing is believing then Christians (and everybody else) believe he IS a god. This is surely NOT what any of us actively believe.
@@kasocool2812 I think we basically agree. I'm not at all defending the xian position. I'm only saying that IF the idea is true it would then contradict xianity.
@ I didn’t describe “someone”, I described a quality of atheism (an idea, not a person). I did not say “Atheists are all faithful to reason” because I don’t know all atheists and to suggest I do is patently unreasonable. People who are atheists-for-silly-reasons don’t in any way change the fact that atheism itself is faithful to reason.
No, it's not based on faith, because my worldview does not center around the question of god concepts. I've yet to hear one, or think of one that I could say "I believe that thing exists." Just because theism is of primary importance to theists, doesn't mean it is for everyone. I have no idea what the origin of being is, if there even is an origin to being, and as far as I can tell, no one else does either. Therefore it's not a concept to be concerned with, and no faith is involved.
A reminder to all Christians who believe they have a commission to fulfill. It's not fulfilled by blindly quoting or ranting Bible verses. It's not fulfilled by being obviously ignorant and incredulous about science. The point of your commission is to bring people to Christ. Driving them away is the very antithesis of your commission. Thus making it sinful.
Apologetics are full of scripts that no one ever used to come to god. Do they expect people to say “oh well if not believing is faith then I guess I’ll believe whatever I’m told”.
"Faith" is willingness to believe something, even if it is not believable. Faith is a cope, where one believes things that aren't true because changing their mind is scary. I empathize with the fear, but I can't relate with willfull ignorance, or "faith."
I understand that the man who becomes known by the title Iesus Christus (Jesus Christ, which is just a title) was in fact a real person. I'm a gnostic atheist, but additionally have a healthy appreciation of history. The reason that I believe the Nazarene Messiah claimant, who eventually becomes a choice given the title by the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, actually existed is because the claimant was not as popular as the primary claimant during the time period when the cult of Yahweh was in its infancy. The much more popular claimant was Simon Magus. A documented person referenced quite a bit (and importantly, independent of the bible) in history. Simon Magus was hugely popular and at the time of the Council of Nicaea, he was widely accepted by the majority of the faith as THE actual son of Yahweh. There are accounts of Simon and his disciples and the Nazarene and his disciples attacking each other. Fights, and conflicts took place. The two Messiah claimants clashed. Their stories are identical. They both supposedly performed miracles, tortured and crucified by the Romans, both supposedly resurrected. But the Rabbi called Jesus these days, was only chosen because Simon had Magus in his name as a title. Magus means Magi/Magician/Sorcerer. The reason that they chose the 30% guy to be the one with the title (Annointed of Yahweh) Iesus Christus, was because they felt that the title Magus was not appropriate. But given the fact that there was a man known as Simon Magus, that he is documented as having a rivalry with the other man from Nazareth (actual name lost to antiquity), I'm going to go with the Nazarene being real. As in a person. Not the theistic nonsense that worshippers of a stolen Sumerian war god want to make ridiculous claims about. Jesus (whoever he was actually named) was most likely a real person. But not very important among the cult of Yahweh until after 325 CE.
@@HamptonDoubledayJr They only pretend to not believe. You can tell them from everyone else because they seek to convert people. If it is not a religion no point in "saving the world". If it acts like a religion it is one.
@@Sundae_Times Given that I am not trying to win converts to a "one true faith" what would be the point? You are the one trying to win people over to the church of atheism. Most people really do not care. About like Jehovah's Witnesses.
If faith didnt exist atheism wouldn't need a name. Right now you are not fargaling. You are a nonfargaler. If fargaling did not exist then there would be no reason to have a word or condition to describe one that does not fargal.
20:43 "without god anything is permissible" when in reality,, with god, anything is excusable. oh a pastor SA a choir boy, well let's move them to another church so he can do it again, and just forgive him, aS gOd WoUlD dO
Im atheists because my hope in the bible was destoryed when i actually started reading it at 15. The first 2 chapters contradicts itself entirely. First chapter of genesis says man and woman were made together then god made the animal kingdom, yet the second chapter of genesis says god made man, created the animal kingdom, sent man to name the animals then god made woman as man was lonely. I have problems since then. I read and read yet kept running into verses that counter each other. Today i can't possibly say the god of the book that i was born into (baptized as a baby) can't say which came first a lion or a human woman, or if its wrong to beat human property as a good argument towards my beliefs in god. I no longer believe as the evidence provided to me can't hold up to my questions. And the only excuse i have always gotten was man wrote the book so i must need faith to fight against the contradictions. Zero idea what happens after death but i hope its not the bible. I still hold Christian values, yet i still fear im going to be lost forever because i dared be kind to a lgbt person. A view i have been trying to stop believing but again i was born into it, i have been on a nonestop fight to forget horrible ideals of the bible. Some of which are exposed to me by this very show which i make a point to change in myself.
I don't have faith that I'm not convinced the assertions made surrounding deities are true assertions. I'm just about as certain as I can be that the assertions are unconvincing to me. No faith needed To be assured of what I don't believe. I also don't have to meet with a group of people in a building once a week or more to reaffirm Or to continuously convince myself the things I don't believe to be true I still don't believe to be true.
It's not "faith" to be neutral about gods. Or astrology. Or E-T visitors in advanced spacecraft. Not that neutrality is always a position free from any burden. Neutrality regarding the existence of cars = red alert. But vis-a-vis hypothetical beings, neutrality is burden-free. But not all skeptics are neutral. If you disbelieve in ghosts and can't say why; or you flat-out deny that ghosts exist and can't prove it, it's a faith position. But is it a big deal?
2 Peter 3:9-12 " The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead, he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." That is not the END of the scripture lest some think that means if God is all powerful, how can anything happen against what He 'wants'? "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. "Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming." John 3 16 is God's invitation in the midst of these perilous times to know His love and promise while He can still be found
@@zombine555 No philosophical teaching can be proven true simply by hearing it, but by heeding it and implementing it into your life. Consider: A common old wives' tale centered on the idea that when you can see the silver sides of leaves, rain is on the way. Is this true of false? Does it matter WHO actually wrote it? Incredibly, this is something you can see in action when precipitation's close by. According to Women's Health, the tannins within tea have anti-inflammatory properties which can work to soothe the prickly ache that comes with a sunburn. Granted, some tea leaves aren't going to suddenly wipe your burn away in a few hours, but it can be a natural way to get some immediate relief. Honey is a topical medicine: true or false. Who wrote it down? “It’s actually used in hospitals now for certain kinds of wound dressings. It’s anti-microbial and keeps other stuff from getting in the wound.” Many Biblical teachings can be implemented into your own life and are found to be true and to be trusted. As you experience their truths for yourself, other teachings may reveal their truths also. (Philippians 2:3-4): The Bible urges humility, considering others more significant than ourselves. Reflection on this truth promotes harmony and selflessness. (John 13:34-35): Jesus emphasizes the importance of love for one another. Reflecting on this truth challenges us to embody love in our relationships. (Colossians 3:13): Forgiveness is a divine virtue. Reflecting on this truth prompts us to extend grace and forgiveness to others. These teachings may seem 'obvious' to us now, but maybe you can see that when you truly implement these - and others - into your daily life, you will be able to SEE for yourself their truths. That is 'hearing/heeding' that changes your understanding. The Gospel message is one of great love, humility and forgiveness - God to us. When we actually HEAR that message and then gratefully receive it, its truth seeps into our very being and changes our behavior, our attitude, our ability to love and forgive others as we have been forgiven. Some consider the Bible a myth and a total waste of time. Maybe you will begin to see its transformative power in your own life if you listen to Jesus. I wish you well.
We r a very susceptible animal species. Gosh I hope I dont see my horrible relatives , I have been trying to get away from them since I could leave them behind. The idea of spending an eternity with them is horrifying plus apparently there are a bunch of serial killers up there because they repented before they were put to death. How freaken foolish is religion !!! THINK people!
*anything created is real. Humans created god, therefor god is created. Therefore god is real. If god is real, then god created man. If man is created, then man is real. since man is real, he can be the creator of god. If man traveled back in time, he could create god before his own creation.*
Nah, you're also making a claim that you can't back up. I'm an athiest, and I have no idea if a god actually exists. But I've yet to see anything approaching evidence that he does, so I don't believe.
There is a difference between not really believing in anything and believing in atheism. I would guess that some 99.9% of nonbelievers just do not believe.
Repent. Believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and become a new person in this life.......... John 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Matthew 4:17 KJV From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Fill out a couple of job applications and become a person in this life that actually contributes something. Chick Fil A is hiring and they'll even give you Sundays off.
I love how engaged this caller was with the conversation. He was actually listening and honestly considering the hosts' questions, as opposed to simply calling in with the intent to reaffirm his personal beliefs.
It's wonderful to hear someone challenging their own core beliefs in real-time. Excellent call👍
At least Alexander was listening and answering and not just regurgitating his own manuscript.
Yeah. He’s what religion needs more of, but he’s already taken the first steps toward overcoming religion, which is also nice to see.
Props to Alexander for being honest and receptive.
This is a really good call.
There was an actual dialogue and only if others actually engaged the world would be a better place,
"You are bad because you do exactly what we do!"
"Atheism is based on faith too?"
"So are you saying faith is bullshit?"
Checkmate believers
@@CheesyChez421 Faith is based on imaginary speculations.
Atheism is based on reasonable expectations based on reality. Why religious people do not understand the indisputable fact they they are ALL atheists about THOUSANDS of imagined gods I do not know?
A person claiming to believe in ONE god, is not absolved from their disbelief (atheism) towards all the others.
Here is the self evident reason why ALL gods are imaginary.
One two part question for people with superstitious religious beliefs.
(A) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that the sun used matches and candles to spread light and heat at night.
Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)?
(B) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that something capable of creating a universe and everything in it, used puny humans and books to spread accurate information.
Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)?
All gods are imaginary. No people = No imagined gods.
I think you will find THAT is checkmate unbelievers.
@@AndyCampbellMusic ???
Atheists = "unbelievers" so why are you using that term?
Think you need to change your spelling bud.
Because it is the term superstitious religionists use to describe other people who do not believe in imaginary gods. Even though they do not believe in (are atheist about) thousands of gods. They do not seem to understand, how strongly atheist, they themselves are.
Wait a minute- don't atheists have faith in their own beliefs that scientific materialism explains everything?
Don't they refuse to believe some people experience the extraordinary and these experiences, though not duplicatable in labs, are not the words of kooks, nut jobs, paroidelia, illusions, brain disorders, publicity seekers, chemically imbalanced, delusional?
Because these dont fit into your box, you exclude them as valid experientially.
_"NEVER, under any circumstances, take responsibility for your own actions and decisions"_
~ Every Christian I have ever talked to
@@RandomStuff-i4i Sorry, would it make more sense if I said "Every Christian to whom I've ever talked"?
@@maxfrisch1911
It would make the SAME amount of sense, as these are grammatically alternative ways to say the same thing in English.
Prepositional phrases are the PRESCRIPTIVE standard, but dangling prepositions DESCRIPTIVELY follow the more common construction in spoken English.
"The devil made me do it.": Said by every child struggle-snuggling priest ever.
@@Arkloyd
Consider the priest then
@@RandomStuff-i4i The only consideration I have for such people is that they should be put away forever.
Faith is indistinguishable from stupidity and a licence for liars and charlatans to exploit the fearful, desperate and vulnerable .
very likely you believe in the multiverse as explanation for the fine tuning of the universe something there is 0 evidence for therefore accepted on faith.
Well are you saying this planet was fine tuned for fish as they can live in more of it than other species? What are you actually talking about?
Multiverse. How could we know? We can't see outside of this one.
Considering that if you see a dandelion, you know this dandelion is one of many, some never got to the seed stage, some half grew some made it to complete dandelions.
This procedure seems quite common with a lot of things. Maybe universes are the same? A reasonable speculation. Again how could we know.
So no, I do not have faith. I have reasonable expectations basedn on reality.
For example. I do not believe any human can fly simply by flapping their arms. Until someone demonstrates the ability to do so, I will consider the idea to be an imaginary speculation. Same with fire breathing dragons and gods. They are imaginary concepts not realities.
As long as people are afraid of the unknown, for example what happens after death, people will continue to believe in stories that soothe their fear.
The problem is that we know exactly what happens to us after we die, we won't exist any more, and it's that reality we fear. People don't want that reality to be true so they make up comfortable stories to believe in instead of what will actually happen.
@@brianmonks8657 "The problem is that we know exactly what happens to us after we die, we won't exist any more"
I agree for 99.99999 ..... %. If you say 100% it is a claim. And there is no way to prove that.
The reality of mortality is preferable to the far fetched comforting man made fable
@@MrCanis4 We know enough about the brain to know it's true. Absolute certainty doesn't exist and trying to hide behind it and say well, we can't prove it 100% is just hiding from reality. Nothing is known at 100% so anyone can claim uncertainty about anything they don't want to be true, that doesn't change what will happen one bit.
@@MrCanis4
Sure there is. Organisms which die, by definition, no longer sustain a metabolism. They consequently decay into their constituent materials.
If this process doesn't take place then, by the same definition, the organism HAS NOT DIED.
Saying "what if there's some magic process involving some invisible dimension of reality?" is a groundless speculation. It's not something to which we can assign a probability, because probability involves random variables, and we cannot justify the existence of such a random variable in this case.
In other words, something doesn't become POSSIBLE just because you have decided that you can speculate about it. You're just making shit up.
RUN. Don't walk...away from religion. I wasted 47 years on the militant inside. Emancipated for 10 years now, spent the last decade as a decent human being...I highly recommend it!
Just for reference - the traditional description of the Moon being made of green cheese is using the word ‘green’ in the sense of ‘new’, not actually the colour green.
Makes sense
It's still made of cheese though, right? That's the only explanation as to how werewolves exist. They love cheese.
Thank you for pointing out the meaning of "green" in the expression. I was about to mention the point. Green cheddar cheese is tasty, btw.
@@Here_is_Waldo exactly, that's why the American Werewolf went from London to Paris... for the cheese!
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Without a God to rescue us, it is up to humans to make a better world. That is profound. We have only a few decades to do our part.
I like it when xians say atheists believe in faith too. So they are implying faith is a bad reason to believe in anything. LOL
@stevenkinney2740 eh, I think what they are getting at is that an atheist is being hypocritical for saying faith is bad when they "secretly" have faith too. I mean, not any better but I don't think they are admitting to faith being bad when they say that.
And apparently it takes more faith to be a materialist than it does to believe in a god
Sometimes they will try and differentiate between good and bad faith, base entirely upon their own definitions of good and bad.
@@mattjindrak This is true, allot more faith, god's the simplest answer.
My mother believes because she says it's all she has...
It makes me sad.
My alcoholic neglectful father, has found religion in recent years and is now training to be a minister.
He's still an asshole, he's now just a sanctimonious one
My mother became overzealous in Christianity after my father passed away. I believe religion helped her through that time in her life. Not a good way to grieve but it helped her nonetheless.
@@modernenglishman7802 I told her just the other day that I would never try to sway her from those beliefs because I do know she finds comfort in it. I also told her I hoped she understood why I don't and can't believe it. She does. Catharsis
I love these throwback episodes
Bless this lad. Hope it went well for him.
Let’s imagine that atheism is based in faith (which it is not, let’s be clear on that), then by saying we need faith too you agree that faith is a bad thing. So my question now is : what’s the position that has no faith ? Because clearly that position will be better as no faith is better than needing to have faith, so what’s that position ?
I love how people say we have the absolute free will to do right or wrong, and yet they also say no one actually does right. Why is it that no one is actually free to will that they never do anything wrong?
Because of original sin.
@@scipioafricanus5871 And that's compatible with free will?
@@scipioafricanus5871Where is it mentioned in the OT?
The very concept of original sin refutes free will. Especially when we had no ability to consent to having original sin. It was inflicted against our free will.
Course not, christianity is predicated on people being pieces of shit. If you try to rationalize it beyond that point you're going to wind up with a dichotomy so vicious your brain will split in two.
Stupidity is the real enemy.
@@JimCastleberrylike yourself who delves into stupidity
@@JimCastleberry And who made us stupid? Your god? Well, this is awkward.
so the left?
@@deenman23 Sounds sinister..
more like willful ignorance
I never believed in religions even as a child. My family is super Christian. They would talk about how they felt god. I told my mother I did not feel it. She got so mad at me. How dare an eight year tell her he didn't feel god. My parents never told me about Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, etc. Maybe since they never told me about magical beings, I couldn't believe in their magical beings.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk The hate-filled liar Carla is again putting words in people's mouths. Let's be glad it stopped at words.
Silly Carla thinks an imaginary jesus has enemies just like carla imagines she herself has enemies but is 100% certain she is not paranoid.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk Jesus was fictional. Must have had some deluded death cult acolytes.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk He was executed for insurrection according to the laws of the land, according to the fictional account in a book called "the bible".
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk You want it both ways, Carla, just like all the hypocritstian bible babblers that post here. You want to claim that your book of bronze age desert nomad mythology is true and when somebody quotes what is written in the book your only argument is to claim that the person making the quote doesn't believe the book is true.
It's a true dilemma for *YOU,* carla. I don't care which option you choose. It's fake news murder or your death cult hero was a criminal who was executed according to the law. Pick one. Or pick both! Either way, you look and sound ridiculous.
I want to live free and be me, whoever I grow up to be. I want the same thing for all humans, equally. And god/gods will throw me into hell for that. Why is that a sin? Is going to hell for that fair? Is that love? Is it forgiving? Is it smart? Is it an action of an all-knowing, all-powerful and all-benevolent being? Hell No! Do parents punish their kids for treating their siblings and friends as equals?
You need to watch Wallace and Gromit "A Grand Day Out" if you need empirical evidence of the type of cheese the moon is made of.
Theism is tribal.
Secularism humanizes the other tribes.
Atheism is not seeing a reason to keep living in tribes.
Secularism and Atheism are the only way to build cities bigger than a single tribe.
Exactly. Equality. Not limiting yourself and others by some bs rules of specific tribes.
ohh I like that very much
So...not believing in zeus is based on faith? How so.
The initial comment on whether the moon was made of green cheese had a bad effect on me. From then on, every time Jesus was mentioned, I heard Cheesis. Agh!
my "faith" is "based" on experience. my car starts every morning , so i HAVE FAITH it will do the same tomorrow.
i.o.w. you have confidencebased on evidence 👌
You have evidence.
@@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος Isle of Wight?
yeah thats not faith.
otherwsie youd be able to apply the same reliability to god
That’s not faith though. If it doesn’t start there’s a mechanical reason.
"Atheism is based on faith." "But I do not have to do anything YOU say based on our faith in atheism.' "On the other hand, I have faith in god so you have to listen to me, do what I tell you to do and give me money."
polite young man .. good mum
Faith is not based on facts or science, but based upon beliefs in something that can’t be proven.
The phrase nobody has the time to become an expert in everything is a good explanation of religion. Religion is a panacea, I don't know what that thing is but god does and that means it's going to be okay.
This segment with Alexander was excellent! I ordered the documentary right after.
What a wonderfully constructive discussion that was! And I agree with your finao notion. In the end it doesn't matter wheter or not a god exists. What's important is that the rules imposed on us create a net positive for society.
Imposed on us by whom?
I dont think i'm qualified enough to make any rules, unless "free icecream sunday" is a good rule to implement.
Also free healthcare, but we got more bloaters then we got people who want to be healthy so that free icecream sunday is going to make them vote for me
Ill be honest, the thought that ones loved ones are watching us, is more terrifying than comforting.. Nor am i certain that i want to see all of em again...
Thank Gods will for atheism 🙏
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And a good Wednesday Morning 🌞 AXP Fans and Theists 😊
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Aw, man, I'm proud of him.
Faith in what??????
Hi Kids, Let's have fun with Logic!!!! If not believing in the Christian God takes Faith in that very god, meaning that one really really believes in that very Deity. Then by simple extension ALL of the gods Christians say THEY don't believe in means they really do. And so they are breaking the first commandment automatically because Not believing is Believing. There now that didn't hurt did it? All the best to everyone Jacques
I have seen some theists say that other gods do exist in some fashion ,but they are lesser / minor gods or not the true God. Which is why the 1st commandment says not to worship them over the God of the bible
@@kasocool2812 I've also seen those claims. The idea comes from St. Paul 1Cor.10-20 No, I am suggesting that what the pagans sacrifice they offer [in effect] to demons (to evil spiritual powers) and not to God [at all]. so I'm aware of the Theology.
My point was more of a logical one than a theological one. If NOT believing is actually BELIEVING then whatever one does not believe in, I'm sure Christians do NOT believe that Moloch is a god, therefore if NOT believing is believing then Christians (and everybody else) believe he IS a god. This is surely NOT what any of us actively believe.
@@jacquespoulemer yeah but that's where "special pleading" comes into effect and then it's "well it's only true for my God"
@@kasocool2812 I think we basically agree. I'm not at all defending the xian position. I'm only saying that IF the idea is true it would then contradict xianity.
@@jacquespoulemer yeah, also I was like WTF is a Xian at first. Worked it out eventually 😂
So being unconvinced is now faith. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It’s basically just “nu uh you are”. When you have no objective facts you have to make it personal.
The best they can do is make an attempt to point out a tu quoque fallacy. "We have no good reason to believe? Well you don't have one either."
Atheism is faithful to reason.
Not true. Someone can be atheist for bad reasons. Like I'm atheist because look at the trees! Clearly created by universe creating pixies!
@ I didn’t describe “someone”, I described a quality of atheism (an idea, not a person).
I did not say “Atheists are all faithful to reason” because I don’t know all atheists and to suggest I do is patently unreasonable.
People who are atheists-for-silly-reasons don’t in any way change the fact that atheism itself is faithful to reason.
If you believe in god/gods, it means that everyone is going to someone elses hell for worshiping the wrong god..
Best show ever!!!
No, it's not based on faith, because my worldview does not center around the question of god concepts. I've yet to hear one, or think of one that I could say "I believe that thing exists." Just because theism is of primary importance to theists, doesn't mean it is for everyone. I have no idea what the origin of being is, if there even is an origin to being, and as far as I can tell, no one else does either. Therefore it's not a concept to be concerned with, and no faith is involved.
A reminder to all Christians who believe they have a commission to fulfill.
It's not fulfilled by blindly quoting or ranting Bible verses.
It's not fulfilled by being obviously ignorant and incredulous about science.
The point of your commission is to bring people to Christ. Driving them away is the very antithesis of your commission. Thus making it sinful.
Apologetics are full of scripts that no one ever used to come to god. Do they expect people to say “oh well if not believing is faith then I guess I’ll believe whatever I’m told”.
@@USCanDoBetter
Apparently.
Matthew 10:14 says that if you don't want to listen, they should leave which they seem to forget about and just continue to try and convert you
@@kasocool2812
Can't expect the average Christian preacher to actually know their Bible!
@@USCanDoBetteris this the famous corner of of Azathoth and Neal, where two fools met? The rest is history.
I worship the god of atheism and it definitely takes more faith to believe in that god than any other. Good for this caller
"Faith" is willingness to believe something, even if it is not believable. Faith is a cope, where one believes things that aren't true because changing their mind is scary. I empathize with the fear, but I can't relate with willfull ignorance, or "faith."
This argument basically boils down to "Nuh-uh. You!" Theists should really learn the difference between inductive inference and faith.
Wow i've never seen a black atheist before!😅
Certainly a rare beast...
Great episode. Wonder about the 18 year old - now.
So this guy is saying faith is a bad reason to believe in something? While also saying asking for evidence of an extraordinary claim is faith?
He is explaining that people use faith because they have no evidence
@@SNORKYMEDIA The person making the claim is the one that needs evidence. The person being told to believe isn’t under any obligations to believe
We have far more evidence for the life of Siddhartha Gautama than we have for Jesus, but no evidence for his ascension to Nirvana.
I did what this kid did at about 14. It came on real fast despite (or maybe because) I went a Lutheran school. I just knew it was nonsense
Looks like Apot is obsessed with getting menstruation wrong now 🙄
Ah, so you're familiar with this person? They're a troll of old?
@@HamptonDoubledayJr
You might know them more recently as Levine
@@nealjroberts4050 Oh bloody hell 🤦♂
@@HamptonDoubledayJr
You can recognise most of their socks by the defamation in the name.
He gets creepy in his fixations.
I understand that the man who becomes known by the title Iesus Christus (Jesus Christ, which is just a title) was in fact a real person.
I'm a gnostic atheist, but additionally have a healthy appreciation of history.
The reason that I believe the Nazarene Messiah claimant, who eventually becomes a choice given the title by the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, actually existed is because the claimant was not as popular as the primary claimant during the time period when the cult of Yahweh was in its infancy.
The much more popular claimant was Simon Magus. A documented person referenced quite a bit (and importantly, independent of the bible) in history.
Simon Magus was hugely popular and at the time of the Council of Nicaea, he was widely accepted by the majority of the faith as THE actual son of Yahweh.
There are accounts of Simon and his disciples and the Nazarene and his disciples attacking each other. Fights, and conflicts took place. The two Messiah claimants clashed.
Their stories are identical. They both supposedly performed miracles, tortured and crucified by the Romans, both supposedly resurrected.
But the Rabbi called Jesus these days, was only chosen because Simon had Magus in his name as a title. Magus means Magi/Magician/Sorcerer.
The reason that they chose the 30% guy to be the one with the title (Annointed of Yahweh) Iesus Christus, was because they felt that the title Magus was not appropriate.
But given the fact that there was a man known as Simon Magus, that he is documented as having a rivalry with the other man from Nazareth (actual name lost to antiquity), I'm going to go with the Nazarene being real.
As in a person. Not the theistic nonsense that worshippers of a stolen Sumerian war god want to make ridiculous claims about.
Jesus (whoever he was actually named) was most likely a real person. But not very important among the cult of Yahweh until after 325 CE.
What is a gnostic atheist?
And the Captain Obvious award goes to: "99.9% of nonbelievers just do not believe."
- Steven Hughes
Not sure what's up with the other 0.1%, btw 🙃
@@HamptonDoubledayJr They only pretend to not believe. You can tell them from everyone else because they seek to convert people. If it is not a religion no point in "saving the world". If it acts like a religion it is one.
@@StevenHughes-hr5hp Data and sources, please
@@Sundae_Times Given that I am not trying to win converts to a "one true faith" what would be the point? You are the one trying to win people over to the church of atheism. Most people really do not care. About like Jehovah's Witnesses.
@@StevenHughes-hr5hp So no data or sources, then. Thanks for admitting you don't know what you're talking about
So, does anyone have any idea how this caller is doing now?🤔
If faith didnt exist atheism wouldn't need a name. Right now you are not fargaling. You are a nonfargaler. If fargaling did not exist then there would be no reason to have a word or condition to describe one that does not fargal.
I'm an afargalist 😂
20:43 "without god anything is permissible" when in reality,, with god, anything is excusable. oh a pastor SA a choir boy, well let's move them to another church so he can do it again, and just forgive him, aS gOd WoUlD dO
Im atheists because my hope in the bible was destoryed when i actually started reading it at 15. The first 2 chapters contradicts itself entirely. First chapter of genesis says man and woman were made together then god made the animal kingdom, yet the second chapter of genesis says god made man, created the animal kingdom, sent man to name the animals then god made woman as man was lonely.
I have problems since then. I read and read yet kept running into verses that counter each other. Today i can't possibly say the god of the book that i was born into (baptized as a baby) can't say which came first a lion or a human woman, or if its wrong to beat human property as a good argument towards my beliefs in god. I no longer believe as the evidence provided to me can't hold up to my questions. And the only excuse i have always gotten was man wrote the book so i must need faith to fight against the contradictions.
Zero idea what happens after death but i hope its not the bible. I still hold Christian values, yet i still fear im going to be lost forever because i dared be kind to a lgbt person. A view i have been trying to stop believing but again i was born into it, i have been on a nonestop fight to forget horrible ideals of the bible. Some of which are exposed to me by this very show which i make a point to change in myself.
I bask in reality.
I don't have faith that I'm not convinced the assertions made surrounding deities are true assertions.
I'm just about as certain as I can be that the assertions are unconvincing to me. No faith needed To be assured of what I don't believe. I also don't have to meet with a group of people in a building once a week or more to reaffirm Or to continuously convince myself the things I don't believe to be true I still don't believe to be true.
I don't believe in elves, goblins, gremlins, ghosts or angels.
I have faith (confidence) that they do not exist.
You really should not conflate faith with confidence - they are at opposite ends of the spectrum.
@@thedubwhisperer2157
Perhaps I should have written "faith and confidence"
theres not one peice of evidence that jesus was anything but a magician
There isn't even any evidence that Jesus was actually real.
The notion of a creator is inherently incoherent.
It's not "faith" to be neutral about gods. Or astrology. Or E-T visitors in advanced spacecraft. Not that neutrality is always a position free from any burden. Neutrality regarding the existence of cars = red alert. But vis-a-vis hypothetical beings, neutrality is burden-free. But not all skeptics are neutral. If you disbelieve in ghosts and can't say why; or you flat-out deny that ghosts exist and can't prove it, it's a faith position. But is it a big deal?
2 Peter 3:9-12 " The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead, he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." That is not the END of the scripture lest some think that means if God is all powerful, how can anything happen against what He 'wants'? "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. "Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming." John 3 16 is God's invitation in the midst of these perilous times to know His love and promise while He can still be found
Quotes from a book most of it we jave no idea who wrote, let alone whether there is any truth to it.
@@zombine555 No philosophical teaching can be proven true simply by hearing it, but by heeding it and implementing it into your life.
Consider:
A common old wives' tale centered on the idea that when you can see the silver sides of leaves, rain is on the way. Is this true of false? Does it matter WHO actually wrote it? Incredibly, this is something you can see in action when precipitation's close by.
According to Women's Health, the tannins within tea have anti-inflammatory properties which can work to soothe the prickly ache that comes with a sunburn. Granted, some tea leaves aren't going to suddenly wipe your burn away in a few hours, but it can be a natural way to get some immediate relief.
Honey is a topical medicine: true or false. Who wrote it down?
“It’s actually used in hospitals now for certain kinds of wound dressings. It’s anti-microbial and keeps other stuff from getting in the wound.”
Many Biblical teachings can be implemented into your own life and are found to be true and to be trusted. As you experience their truths for yourself, other teachings may reveal their truths also.
(Philippians 2:3-4): The Bible urges humility, considering others more significant than ourselves. Reflection on this truth promotes harmony and selflessness.
(John 13:34-35): Jesus emphasizes the importance of love for one another. Reflecting on this truth challenges us to embody love in our relationships.
(Colossians 3:13): Forgiveness is a divine virtue. Reflecting on this truth prompts us to extend grace and forgiveness to others.
These teachings may seem 'obvious' to us now, but maybe you can see that when you truly implement these - and others - into your daily life, you will be able to SEE for yourself their truths. That is 'hearing/heeding' that changes your understanding.
The Gospel message is one of great love, humility and forgiveness - God to us. When we actually HEAR that message and then gratefully receive it, its truth seeps into our very being and changes our behavior, our attitude, our ability to love and forgive others as we have been forgiven.
Some consider the Bible a myth and a total waste of time. Maybe you will begin to see its transformative power in your own life if you listen to Jesus. I wish you well.
Atheism based on faith? 100%
Faith of what?
Absolutely not.
What a sly little troll. /s
We r a very susceptible animal species.
Gosh I hope I dont see my horrible relatives , I
have been trying to get away from them since I could leave them behind. The idea of spending an eternity with them is horrifying plus apparently there are a bunch of serial killers up there because they repented before they were put to death. How freaken foolish is religion !!! THINK people!
Just a slip up there. Allah was not the prophet. That would be Mo.
*anything created is real. Humans created god, therefor god is created. Therefore god is real. If god is real, then god created man. If man is created, then man is real. since man is real, he can be the creator of god. If man traveled back in time, he could create god before his own creation.*
God creates dinosaurs, god destroys dinosaurs. God ceates man, man destroys God, man creates dinosaurs. Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the earth.
@wintergray1221 if man can destroy God, that's a pretty weak little bitch of a god
Hows is atheistsim based on faith its got nothing to do with faith our faith is in reality and science 🤦🏻♂️
We have good reasons to trust reason and science, zero faith needed.
@@JimCastleberry Atheism still isn't a doctrine. Learn what "delusion" means while you're at it.
Well you shouldn’t say atheism is tied to science. You don’t need to know about science to question someone’s god claim.
@@JimCastleberryIf your dictionary defines atheism as a doctrine, then it's wrong.
@@USCanDoBetterbs
Logical callers are boring.
the call would have been better if the caller had asked intelligent questions.
Your comment would have been better if you had commented something intelligent.
No. Atheism is based on knowledge - the knowledge that there is no "god".
Actually, atheism is based on the knowledge that no god has been proven to exist. Because it's a lack of belief in any gods NOT a belief in no gods.
Way to tell others what they believe. Does that convince anyone but yourself, though?
Nah, you're also making a claim that you can't back up. I'm an athiest, and I have no idea if a god actually exists. But I've yet to see anything approaching evidence that he does, so I don't believe.
Burden shifting fallacy.
By the way, you don't understand what atheism means.
If you seek to convert the heathens to your one true faith then you are in truth a religion. Why does atheism seek converts?
Answer: it doesn't. Thanks for asking
It doesn't, atheism is a single answer to single question.
We just want the world to be better, and that people don’t lose time and money on this scam
There is a difference between not really believing in anything and believing in atheism. I would guess that some 99.9% of nonbelievers just do not believe.
@@StevenHughes-hr5hp "99.9% of nonbelievers just do not believe."
Well, thanks for your amazing insights
Repent. Believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and become a new person in this life.......... John 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Matthew 4:17 KJV From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
It's cute that you thought coming here to preach was going to be remotely effective
Day 121 of No One Gives a -
Fill out a couple of job applications and become a person in this life that actually contributes something. Chick Fil A is hiring and they'll even give you Sundays off.
What is the reason you have to believe in this book?
You're delusional.
I don't have enough HATE in me to be a Xtian.
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LOLZ
Plus you're safe to be around children, so that rules you out on a technicality.
First it was intelligent design,then atheism is a religion and now atheist need faith as well to justify their disbelief in imaginary sky daddies.