Hydrostream Viking/Vking First Ride With Mercury 225 ProMax
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1978 Hydrostream Viking and a new to me 1998 Mercury 225 ProMax.
First day out with the ProMax and a big wheel. Running a 26p big ear chopper. Ran a best of 86 according to my Garmin in the boat. Seems the GoPro and Garmin GPS units don't agree with one another.
I really need to do something about the seat bottoms that keep flying around.
I had a 1978 Viking back in the day. Had a 175 Black Max. I had so much fun on that boat. I will have another Hydrostream before I die.
That is exactly what this boat is! I ran the original 175 Black Max for half a season before swapping the ProMax on it.
The glory days of 2 stroke outboard dominance from Mercury Marine. The sound from those 2.4L and 2.5L motors, especially in dual installations on the Talon tunnel hulls back in the day hitting 120mph + at 7500-8000rpm can never be duplicated, the hair on back of your neck stood straight up. There's a few youtube posts of boats doing exactly that and you all need to check them out, youll see for yourselves what i mean.
Long live the 2.5!
@@TNels ABSOLUTELY!!!
Very impressive speed! That engine didn't miss a beat too. Thank you for the vid :)
Yeah the ProMax is a beast! I've got it to 94 so far. Hope to find 100 this coming season. Thanks for watching!
Nice boat . Worth every minute of the 18 months rebuilding it .
Thanks! It was closer to 30 months haha. Still worth it.
That boat is nice. Awesome job rebuilding it. The new outboard really made it come to life.
Thank you! The ProMax completely changed the boat. Should be able to crack 100 with it this summer.
Great job!
Takes me back to the late 70s , watching our cottage neighbours screaming up and down the lake with their new Hydrostream learning how to better control the chine walking. I fell in love with that boat .As I recall the drivers seat was mounted in the centre. Eventually they painted an “01” on the sides and were pretty successful at racing it.
Thanks for loving that boat too, really enjoyed your videos , well done!
Thank you! Glad it can take you back. It takes me back to being a kid every time I take it out now.
I had the same setup and found a 30p 3 blade cleaver worked the best. Easier to control and faster. Beautiful setup!!
I've ran a worked cleaver and wasn't a fan how how it held the hull. I kinda like the nose a bit higher. I picked up a 30ET and found that to be the best so far with my setup.
Best speedboat REBUILD EVER..! Congrats for a VERY THOROUGH JOB..! Good luck with goofy high speed wobbles...!
Thank you! Learning how to drive it more each day!
I would say you have it very well set up, really stable, accelerated plenty fast and she looks beautiful too great rig.
Thank you! I'm still working out a few bugs. But I'm very happy with it overall. Mainly just trying to find the right prop.
ya you are solid .. it's like my stereo system I'm always tweeking it to get a little more, enjoy !!!
beautiful boat and a terrific motor to accent it, cheers! (and yes i quack at ducks as well hahaha)
Thank you! I still have the ProMax on it but switched back to the original clamshell cowls for the nostalgia look. I just have to finish editing that video and I’ll get that posted.
Awesome! Love that view from the top of the engine looking forward!
Thanks! I’ll keep trying different camera angles.
Think I’d be wearing a crash hat at those speeds. Lovely retro boat and sound.
I wore a lid for a while when I was figuring out the set up on this thing and testing different setups. I’m quite comfortable with how it handles now. Although a helmet is always a good idea because despite the best maintenance mechanical failures can still happen.
I love the why the hydro streams look the bow up high a nice old Mercury on the back it looks so good man
Thanks! They have such a perfect stance in the water. This one looks even better when the fuel tank is completely full. Almost puts the rub rail in the water in the rear. But it doesn't fly as well with that much weight.
The speed is enough to make an average boat captain a little nervous! Wow, this is simply awesome! Thanks for sharing your ride. Tom
Thanks, Tom! This thing is a lot of fun!
You actually fly this hull… Is not for an average person at all by any means you had better know what you’re doing
Very nice. What a dream. I remember as a kid living on Seneca lake in NY in the early 80s there were a couple of hydrostreams screaming by with the tower of power in the early mornings when the lake was like glass. God they were so beautiful just like yours. Ty.
Thanks! I get out early and wake up some folks along the Mississippi near my house before the water gets too busy. I would love to do another one with a tower of power.
Watching the entire restoration, I wonder if big boat companies watch you indie boat youtube restore'ers and offer employment, this restoration was nothing short of amazing and how that boat is so fast with a single 225 is beyond my knowledge!
Thank you! Yes, I have had employment offers from boat repair shops. But I have a great career I love with no plans of leaving. This runs as fast as it does due to a very good hull design. Howard Pipkorn, owner of Hydrostream, was a great designer. They just had shoddy workmanship demanding the rebuild of all their boats by this time. It's also light, the bare hull weighed 745lbs, which is heavy for a Hydrostream this size. The 225 has a lot more left in it, next video should be over 90.
the 225 pro max were good for 240ish hp
looks good made a good change with the new motor
Thanks! I’m happy with the change.
I don’t know if my stepdad did it but our seats had straps that snapped to the bases to hold them in place.I miss that boat.👍
I plan on doing new upholstery over the winter so I'll come up with a way to deal with the seats haha. I have some push lock latches I think will work, otherwise it's ending up in snaps like you're saying.
That is probably my favorite v-hull of all time, the lines of the hull are like no other, well done sir!
Thanks! I do love the lines on the boat. There's almost no bad angle.
Yes sir , they look like it’s doing 200 sitting steal
Wow...ein sehr schönes Boot mit viel Power. 🤪👍
So refreshing seeing someone else who actually isn't a boat ramp idiot and know how to launch by themselves. You wouldn't believe the shit I've seen at my local ramp
Thank you! It’s really not that hard with some common sense. I see plenty of dumb stuff at my local ramps as well. I just try to avoid them at busy times.
+++ no Guides!!!😅
those hulls are a mf with no trailer guides
good video, EXCELLENT boat
Thanks 👍
What a beautiful day..! Love the way you matched the original metal flake..! What a great restore...!!!
Thank you! I tried to get as close to the original look as possible. Right down to the size and shape of the flake haha.
damn thats thing is a monster I miss the 90s ... that hull is going shred into a couple of canoes
Haven’t found the 90’s yet. But I’m close!
Perfect motor choice.
That is crazy awesome!
Thank you!
Beautiful boat
I have a Mercury High Five (5 blade) well 2 actually one bigger and pitchier for top speed and the other for hole shots. The amount of lift from a five blade is insane, barely any boat in contact with the water. Steering at full trim 55+ mph pretty much forget about turning the wheel. Had to go to Hydraulic steering from Teleflex, we kept stretching the line. Hydraulic was substantially more $$ but the improvement was easily worth it. Safety is improved 50% no more chine walking and steering response vastly improved
I'm thinking of adding a High Five with a really low pitch to replace my water ski prop. I'd like to find one in the 19-21 range to replace our old stainless 3 blade 19 for skiing. The boat loves a ET style prop right now.
Later in the vid I see those rollers, hard to open her up with those around. I'm glad I have a back water bay to open mine up. No other boats. Be careful, have fun!
Most days I’m out early enough to avoid other boats when trying for some top end.
CW was some scary shit on my checkmate, beautiful rig!!!
It take some time to get used to. But once you get the hang of it, it’s not too bad.
New motor looks and sounds great
Thanks!
Gotta LOVE the way Hydrostream's accelerate. I've got a Voyager XT with a John/Rude 300 V8, best top speed I've ever got was 98MPH with a 32P cleaver.
What I really like about Hydrostream's (at least mine) is that anyone can drive it to 72MPH, it's such a pussycat... BUT, crack the throttle beyond that, and you've got a tiger by the tail. Yee Haa!!!
Good job, she looks really good, I'm thinking I'ma gonna follow you.
Yeah they're very docile below 65 for a V bottom. I let a friend of mine drive this one to 60 the first time he's ever driven a boat haha.
prop-stand
I got rid of a lot of Chime walk by installing adjustable trim tabs on the transom. They also lower the planing speed and keep the bow down on Holeshot.
That boat doesn't need tabs. Just more set up time.
Now we're talkin . High perf . 👌
We had one in 1980 and didnt like the chime walking had a 235 evinrude on it. Bought a Baker tunnel hull a year later sold the hydrastream. Got 88 mph out of baker with 28 chopper
It gets a little sporty in the mid 80's.
I had an 17ft Viking (81) with the (98) 225 Pro Max, lotsa fun, same blue color
Same set up as mine. What was your best top end? I’ve seen 91 so far, and still testing pros and set up.
@@TNels I couldn't really drive it past 90 for fear of being tossed over the side.. As hard as I tried to drive it thru the chine walk I couldn't.. but I lived on flat water. The guy that put the 225 on lived on choppy water and he got 100 out of it..
@@timliscum2861 I'm getting the hang of the chine walk. Crazy how much a prop can make a difference.
Nice job brother
Thank you!
Great job, has to be fun!
Oh man its a blast!
Reminds me of my mini max I put an 18 on it. Couldn’t sit A wake would swamp it. 8 ft long did 35 mph. Forgot to add. Great restore. I see it will do about 89. Yikes. My favorite time was evenings when the glass appeared great fun
I would love to do a small plywood boat like that some day. I have an old 15hp from my grandpa that would be perfect for something like that.
@@TNels look up a mini Max. Easy unsinkable. Two sheets of ply wood
@@stev838 Man, those things are cool! I'll probably end up doing it one of these days. I'm sure my niece's and nephew would love it.
@@TNels I know. Used to have to get up over the wheel to plane out but then wooooe. Wish I still had it but I’m sure it’s dust by now
Your new motor sounds great! Looks like you are chine walking bad, that's why I prefer my 28 4bld. cleaver over a 3 blade. More prop in the water and easier to control the dreaded walk and air her out. Just my experience with my set up. Keep playing with her! That's the fun part. Shoot for 100 plus! Have fun! Love the vid ! Keep the smooth side down!
This was just the first day. Need more time to get the feel with this motor. And need to run a bunch more props.
My Cleaver was rock solid on My Switzer just a couple MPH slower that big ear prop Hydrostreams can always need less bow lift and more stern lift from a Cleaver. I think he should try a 28 or 30 get his RPM down a touch
@@davessparetime83 Your right! I even put 40lbs in the bow to help keep it down and the stern up. I can still trim up enough to air her out and control it from falling off the pad.
I’ve had great experiences with hill props. Also the mercury 4 blades seem to lift the transom and get ride of the chine. I’ve heard of guys putting in delta pads on that boat with great success.
I seem to have gotten it to ride pretty well with a ET prop and moving some weight around. I haven't had a chance to run a Hill prop yet.
Don't waste your money. Mazco re3s and if you can get a unmolested triton. Steve Smith cuts a good chopper for streams too.
Please note that a Hill prop, as it comes stock, should be considered as blank, an $800.00 paperweight. Don’t even waste ur time running it. Take it to ur “prop” guy and when he stops laffing. Tell him to measure it beat it to spec on spirochete block, cut and shape the leading and trailing edges… and if you know what your setup needs go from there, then you’ll have a $1200 to 1500.00 prop that should work. That’s if got the right style and you n ur prop guy know what’s up
Great boats, sweet.
I sometimes imagine what it would be like to have this machine back in time...... In the early 1800s and your zipping up the river in this monstrosity? They'd bow to you like you are the gods of the water?
You'd be left asking 'good day to you sir! Do you perhaps have some petroleum?'
Haha that would be pretty fun. Then bust out a smart phone, although they may call you a witch.
@@TNels
Oh I've watched History channel 🤪 I know those people's were better with a bow and arrow that I am with a knife and fork lol🤣
Don't be afraid to raise your transom lift higher, I run my Promax 3/8 of and inch above the pad on my Grandsport
I do run higher, the sweet spot for me seems to be about 3/4" to 7/8" above.
Looks sick nice job mate
Thank you!
NICE NICE NICE!!!!!! LUV U !!!! BE FRICKIN CARFUL BOTHER!!!!!
Thank you! I always wear the safety equipment!
Nice man she's running great. Accelerates nice!
Thanks! She’s a rocket ship now!
Awesome 🔥
Zillow & Hotels ads are continuously freezing up on this and the 90mph video. Android mobile, in case it matters. I'd love to be able to finish watching at least one of your vids.
Thanks,
Keith
Sorry this is happening, Keith. I'll report it to youtube. Thanks for watching!
How many RPMs at 80?
Good angle to show you working the steering wheel to eliminate the chining.
Great shots unloading, backing the trailer and loading her back up.
More people could learn from that.
Thanks for the kind words! I honestly can't remember what it was turning with that particular prop. I'm assuming that 86 was on the rev limiter, which is 6750 I believe.
Well done.
Thank you!
Brother you heard me, a modern outboard F YEAH. Haven’t watched the video yet but I’m going to guess close to 80mph just short of if she’s propped right and the jack plate is dialled in
She's in the mid 90's with this set up. Waiting on a new prop to hopefully break the 100 mark!
Oh what a feeling!....
Looking good,running good,
What more can a man ask for?. What jack plate you running?
Yeah, I'm pretty happy! Just need to get the upholstery done.
Running an Atlas 4" plate.
Yeeesssss quack every time I see them
Make it a center steer and you would be amazed how much better it handles
I didn't want a center steer boat, this boat still pulls double duty as a ski boat as well. I've found that adding 50lbs of weight in the port wing makes it fly level.
Wow!
Awesome! Werent you only pushing 70 last vid? Oh...225 power!! Nice...hows that feel going form 70 to 80 F'in 5??
Yeah, the best I could do with the old motor was 70. This is nuts blasting right past that haha.
Looks like the flux capacitor is still on the fritz
trim trim trim! That sucker should be hitting 90 to 95!! what kind of prop?
This video was running a 26 chopper. It was the first trip out with the new motor. I eventually got it to 94.7 with a 30ET. I have that run in my newer videos.
To me from the views your showing, looks like you can raise the jacks an inch and trim up a few degrees and ride less boat in the water and have a bit more rooster tail. . If we could see a profile view of her flying by would give a better perspective of how she is riding. Up the prop by 2-4 maybe. Looks like your gonna have a hundred plus in your hands, floating that pad. The motor sounds strong, definitely try another night pitch prop
You’re right-fly it on the pad with absolute tight steering and the right prop - Any thing you add on the transom (trim tabs) introduce drag and slow you down - That boat takes a real experienced driver - Remember , only change one thing at a time - Fly it high and straight - Takes practice to keep the boat on the pad at all times - Good Luck!
I'm sure I can go higher with the motor. With the plate maxed up I'm 1/2" above the pad.
Brother this is epic... Just watched your hull resto.... Impressive. I have my eyes on an old 78 19 ft Checkmate with a newer 351W and OMC800. New plywood, gelcoat is totally shot. Under $1000 to take it home. Needs prop. Probably have to go over the motor, likely gonna pull the floor to inspect and make sure stringer is done correctly... Has all the hardware and new CNC cut seat ply with carriage bolts already installed, sitting inside.
Think it's worth it? You have the experience obviously.
How much gel did you use? I'd have to do 3 coats most likely, 4 in places to cover the old flake adequately.
Hard to say what old boats are worth. I’m certainly no expert in that area. You’ve got to decide if it’s worth the investment to you. I doubt I could sell mine what what I have into it. Sounds like most of it is there, and $1000 isn’t a bad price for a project that comes with everything.
I can’t remember off the top of my head how much gel I used exactly. It was probably 8-10 gallons total. If you check the comments in my videos spraying the gel I know I’ve answered that before. I just can’t think of it now off the top of my head.
This process has been a ton of work and took me 2.5 years, but I’m loving every minute on the water!
@@TNels that's sorta how I'm seeing it - unfinished boat in a box plis trailer and a used engine/drive. If I look at it like that, seems like a good deal.... Definitely a time function. It makes me super happy to see projects like the one you took on get to enjoyment stage. My dad and I finally have his Boxster S to that point, and went for a drive the other day after a lot of work and tune, and it left both of us giggling and speechless.
@@accordv6er Yeah this whole summer has been epic, watching my dad barefoot agin, heck being the one pulling him is just crazy. And learning to slalom ski myself is fun too. On top of trying to get this boat over 90 haha.
run!! omc stringer -ford -ck mate soft floor and transom
sounds like a nightmare
hell ya man!
Thanks!
Did the guys building the road not see that lake?
This is all within a county park along the Mississippi river.
It will hit the 80's...... But, it doesn't like the 80's..... Looks like it was starting to be a fight rather than a cruise..... Couldn't have any passengers at that speed safely, riding by yourself ain't that much fun to me....
This was the first time out on the engine combo. After more set up time is smooth running up to 90. A passenger helps with weight balance, easy cruising in the 80’s with a passenger.
@@TNels really?... That's great! ... How long did that take? If you wouldn't mind me asking?.... I'm kinda new at these type boats, and I'm trying to learn a lot about them, what little bit I have learned I got from talking to people but I don't think they really knew how to set one up, I watched a bunch of TH-cam videos but they didn't really get into how to really set one up..... Or maybe I was looking in the wrong place, maybe you could give me some advice because it seems like you have your boat pretty much together and you know how it works.... I like your boat and how fast it goes I just would like to have a passenger or two to enjoy the ride, but maybe you can't do that... With these type boats... But thank you so much well answering me back about my comment, you sure have a really nice boat......
@@michaelgreene2920 I spent about a summer testing different set ups.
Engine height, engine set back, prop selection, and weight balance are all things to work on. Screamandfly.com has sone great info in the forums for set up advice. Just have to do some digging and reading. This is a small boat, there are four seats and you can bring three friends, but that would be tight and surely wouldn't be running in the 80's. But you and one friend would be fine. Time in the seat is a big part of driving these things fast.
@@TNels thank you sir, I appreciate the advice, when it comes from a person who knows what it is to be in these.., thanks for the info, going to look into it...
I had an 18 foot sidewinder with a 225 I could get 82 mph out of it scared the shit out of me ,,, to touchy steering wise
Sweet ride! This one gets hairy over 80 haha
Boat is for stability motor is the only thing in the water
chime walking sucks! i went the cheap way out and put a whales tail on the lower unit, butt it lost mph... 72 down to 68 mph.
How fast and how long is the boat
Boat measures 17’6” and my best is 94.7
Gee. You could've had a V8 😁🍺
Hahaha naw, they're too heavy ;)
You need that 28 pitch Spinelli Hooter I had He cupped it to not blow out on Holeshot
With your Big Ear Prop what is the RPM at 85MPH?
6800, stock limiter on the motor.
Is it for sale?
Sorry no, but I plan to build another and sell it. But that won't be for a little while.
Take off your air box and engine cover so your getting cold air ramming into the Throttle bodies. You’ll gain guaranteed
I should’ve tried that before switching the engines. The throttle body on the laser injected ProMax faces backwards so I won’t get any ram air effect now.
@@TNels AAH DANGIT!! Ya I guess not now!! Hahahahaha you’d have to make up scoops directing air into now.
so now i guess you need to put x2 225 .. hehehehehe
For sale?
Not looking to sell, but like everything, for the right price I'd sell.
Start looking for a 30p hoss trtton
I was able to run a 30 Hoss that had some work done to it. It handled really well and flew the boat nice and level, it just had a lot of slip and I couldn't get the speed out of it. The best I could run it was 82mph which works out to about 20% slip.
This boat is underpowered for what you want. It left you in chine walk range for WAY too long.. dangerous. Either the engine or your balls didn't let you accurate through chine walk.
I believe it's more to do with my current prop selection. I still haven't got the exact right prop for it. I've found some that work much better. A new video running those will be posted tonight.
you need more prop.....at least a 30
Running a 30ET on it these days.
Get a prop with less cup in it.
30ET is the best prop on this set up.
Then that walk that its producing on both engines is the product of something misaligned like the trans jack is higher on one side than the other . Nothing big but some thing if off by a hair. I got a 280 bridgeport on mine and it's dead on straight on the pad. But it had the same little effect when I first placed the engine on it. Do lots measuring to see if centerline is true. But she is f#$Ken tits bro great job..
th-cam.com/video/6qtaUz-D6kE/w-d-xo.html
Massively overpowered. Boat quickly becomes unstable at speed, chinewalking; and, if you don't catch it very quickly can become deadly. Why not just power the boat to a point just under chinewalking speed and be done with it?
That’s the first time out with the new set up. After making some changes it’s much more stable at speed. These hulls are perfectly capable of running stable over 100mph.
not enough stern mass to rotate a large eared prop gona need a rpm low torque lik a brass 3 blade 23
Best prop so far is 30ET.
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