2020 Macbook Air Overheating and not enough cooling. Thermal Camera check and follow up
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Customer: This laptop is overheating due to inadequate cooling design.
Apple: But imagine how _cool_ you will look in the coffee shop with one of these!
I do not see how anyone can look cool using apple crap. just a square gray piece of crap.
Atleast they should have went with graphite/copper pads used in gaming smartphones like razr and rog. It would have solved the overheating issue and still fits in the tiny body of the air
What as a coaster to keep your coffee hot 😂😂 a little expensive and a little extreme
@@Billy-rr7re what do u mean allll the windows laptops designes are ass.
MacBooks have always had terrible cooling. The switch to Apple Silicon seems to have eliminated this issue thankfully, but I can’t believe people would keep buying them.
Ah, the laptop with the wireless cooler fan.
Lol wireless cooler
Best comment lolololol
Ahh, 😂Just apple things...
I love the way how he analyses the problem n how much he respects others query n ideas n cooperating n finding solutions.
You are absolutely right. I have a degree in Physics/Thermodynamics, and air drawn past a heat source is significantly less effective in cooling, as pushing air past. One reason is... when you push it past, you create pressure. That pressure has more density, and in turn can absorb more heat. Also... when pushing, the air slows slightly, giving more dwell time. On the suction side... air density is lowered, and velocity is higher.... if we are considering the same fan system. Think of it like using the same soldering iron, and a fat tip, vs a thin tip. It's all in the ability to transfer. SO... Apple just mad a bad judgment in tying to cool a modern laptop like it was a low power phone.
I think the genius Apple idea was that the processor heatsink warms the air inside the machine, and the fan cooler pulls the hot air outside. So the connection between the heatsink and the fan is made by air :)))) I know
You could hammer the backcover closer to the cpu, so the thermalpaste gets in contact. :)
ALEX READ THIS !
in fact, the cover is not and should not make contact with cpu heatshield because the cover will get extremely hot and burn the user's 'lap, hand' etc.. it's actually a legal conformity also, that no touchable parts should exceed 43.3C' that's why there's an actual heat PROOF back tape on the back of the cover so heat doesn't transfer
one could put thermal pads to link back cover with cpu for better cooling but the back will be way too hot and unsafe.
the back cover supposedly acts as a tunnel to redirect air through the cpu shield and cool but it's very inefficient
a video was made by LinusTechTips that you should check, Also alex you're an engineer with a lot of experience don't doubt yourself over apple fan boys in the comments. It doesn't take a genius to know that the cooling is inadequate.
th-cam.com/video/MlOPPuNv4Ec/w-d-xo.html
this is called extremely rapid aging of the product
planned obsolescence 😉
I don't think so ... since the cpu start to throttle to protect itself. Actually it's a performance issue.
@@larrywildman4381 No, it's not just a performance issue, that's ONE of the consequences of poor cooling design. It's not normal for a CPU or the rest of the laptop components to always stay at high temperatures. Think of it as a convection oven. Everything gets slowly cooked with time. Broken plastic/hinges, stuck fan, defective RAM stick, brittle/shorted LVDS cable, damaged GPU/VRAM chip, dead batteries, etc... i've seen all kinds of heat damage. And that's on normal laptops with enough cooling, the owners just never changed the thermal paste. Imagine what poor design + maintenance will do to this 🍎 -> RIP 💀
@@em0_tion I didn't say it's just a performance issue ... I said it's first of all a performance issue. Of course in the long run, on average, you will have a reliability issue. Anyway there is a misconception about thermal stress .... it's not just about high temperature, it's more about rapid e frequent change in temperature ... in other words, it's not just a function of max temperature, but a function of how temperature evolve during time.
@@larrywildman4381 Yeah, for sure. Maybe i misunderstood you. You just seemed to have doubts that Apple would do this on purpose ;) I dunno what else to call it, they have very smart engineers, but then they confidently release this product... Can't avoid distrusting their attitude towards customers. 🤷♂️ Oh, well, buyers beware 😁
Thank you for following up on my suggestion. Yes looks like you are onto something there. My suggestion for trying to see thermals with cover on was not because I thought the cover will act as a heatsink. I thought with the cover on it will create a more efficient entry and exhaust path for air i to an out of the laptop. Looks like it is not good enough as your thermal cam showed.
Sir forget what anyone says u know your job well. So keep up the good work.
Awesome experiment sir✌️✌️✌️.
the manufacturer will do something for it.👍👍👍
Thanks a lot for all your videos, always very informative for us.
1-There is no contact between the cpu & the heat block. Check linus tech tips video.
2-There is a heat shield on the back cover in the cpu area
This isn't related to the video, but I'm curious...
Is that an oscilloscope you have on your bench to the right of your mixer? or is it a benchtop power supply?
If it's the former, I'd be very interested in seeing you use that someday! :D
I saw two comments from VERY knowledgeable persons in the repair scene suggesting that the back cover needs to be on for the cooling to be effective. Neither of them suggested that the CPU heat sink makes contact with the cover. What they said is that the cover completes a duct and cool air is pulled from the side opposite the fan, over the heat sink, then out from the fan. You can check if the air from the fan is hot with the cover on and cool with the cover off to confirm their suggestions.
Well sir I try to be the first to watch your videos and always look to your help ! As always you are the best at what you do
Now i feel regret fow owning this trouble mac, I'm looking for solution for for overheating n found your video explaining,now it make sense n service center just ignored my email regarding this issue.
You can use thermal pad between back cover and heatsink
Ahh my new fav youtube channel
Hello. I really appreciate the work you do. In this particular case, I do not recommend applying the heatsink since it is not a flat surface. There could be a small gap between the heatsink and the cover. I would suggest using a thermal pad.
That black stuff on the cover is thermal insolator. It's used becouse aluminium cover could burn users skin if cpu heatsink could transfer some heat to it (even if it didn't make physical contact). But having cover on can have another effect. It could improve air flow over cpu heatsink. I didn't see new macbook air in real life, so I can't be sure. It's just my guess. But I know for a fact, that it's still not enough, based on published test results.
My favorite TH-cam channel 😍
I don’t like at all the cooling system but as you said, the cover traps the air or kind of force it to spread toward cpu with the antennas.
The cover doesn’t make at all contact with the cpu, it’s not a heat sink.
Of course a pipe between the fan and the cpu would be the best easy trick.
I wonder if thermal pad between heat sink and the laptop cover would help , maybe give a a try and see !
They rip off whole repair industry like that. They know, that first faulty component will be CPU, so repair attempt will be useless.
It definitely is the most effective solution from their point of view. If only Apple consumers were smart enough to know exactly what they're buying.
The idea of this design is the air flow should cool the CPU heatsink when the cover is put on .. but of course that's not enough
I've read some articles where some people used Thermal Pads put on the CPU heatsink to make contact with the back cover which gives better results for cooling
تحياتي لك .. وبالتوفيق
If they do that do you think you can still call it a lap-top? Maybe hot-top lmao
@@KM-kl2wu or maybe Apple Pie
Louis Rossmann did a video on this -- I think that reason for this was so that Apple can blame Intel for the thermal issues, especially since it is quite vocal against it for many years now... since that Spectre / Meltdown bug.
I think it's just an excuse to push ARM CPUs. Heh... I can hear the presentation of next laptop with ARM and proper cooling comparing to Intel's CPU and broken cooling -- "Comparing the thermals between last-gen Intel and this gen Apple Silicone..."
"4x better cooling" 🤦♂️🤣😂
Love from India 🇮🇳
One time i fixed server power supply, and i let it run for 1 hrs to test, it became very hot, it was cuboid shape and the fan was at one end, obviously when i put the cover on the heat disappeared, but its not the same case like yours, thank you for the videos.
is there a way to improve cooling?
You've got the best shirt!
I recieved this type of machine which the customer tried to install new os on it and the machine went off, and due to the poor cooling system we are unable to install os on because machine goes off in the middle of installation and won't turn back on for hours
How the fuck they install the OS on this machine, with water cooling and case removed :)))?
You can’t be serious.
Hello guys. Can there be a missing part that connects the processor and the fan? Maybe someone had been digging this laptop before and forget to put that piece back?
I do not know what happen to the design intention. My guess is that there some heatpipe is missing. I had also an unusual case in the past with a HP NW9440. Overheating after some time. It has a single fan with separate CPU and GPU heatpipes and fins going into the same outlet blowers. I check the temperature with a monitoring app which show the GPU temp was too high. But in effect the heatsink pipe of the CPU was empty. So my conclusion was threefold: 1. Apps messesd up the reading. 2. Heatpipes could leak over time. 3. Do not buy used heatpipes (or check with a solderer if they transport). Thanks for sharing. If you get a Dell M6700 or similar enjoy the built quality to sustain the scrap that come later.
Super video sir thkyou information important
nice repairing love from india
Thanks for proving the failure of this "thinking different" design. Steve Jobs would fire Tim Cook without a blink if he was alive.
added arctic silver 5 thermal paste & 2 layers thermal pads between heatsink / bottom cover. dropped temps 20c, and fan noise gone😎
We really enjoyed your video...
The non stick thermal pad would do great sandwiched between the two.
You really think so? And burn the user’s lap? Ok.
Nice job and video
if you research more you will see that the heatsink is not making proper connection with the CPU my wife own 2020 MacBook Air 2020 and I am planing to use the thermal sheet from grizzly bears to reduce this issue and see if there is any improvement after doing. I know its a bad design from the beginning with the heatsink is not connecting to the fan and Mac OS is delivering turbo boost more than it should do.
With the cover on the air being pulled over heat sink is what is cooling it. Unfortunately it’s quite inadequate to cool this way, heat pipe would of been better
very good work
Am studying electric and electronic engineering what specialty should I choose to be like you
انا ادرس هندسة كهرباء و الكترون واريد ان اصبح مثلك ما هو اختصاصك في كلية هندسة الكهرباء ⁉️
Put a small piece of thermal pad it will make contact with the back casing and heat will spread evenly
I would be interested to see how hot it gets when you work the laptop hard.
Have a legal question, or just your view. If a laptop is not picked up after a certain time, and it is considered abandoned, does the contents become property of the repair shop?
Why not a thermal pad between the Cpu and back top..even longer next to the fan area...I should do that for sure..even a improvized bridge will do a better job than nothing!
i have macbook air 2019 with wireless cooling system running big sur 11.23
the fan doesnt do its job, it is there to annoy me when the laptop is under heavy load™
Thats really interessting. In fact the backcover is not touching. So, i would love to see the reaction of the designer at apple who designed this cooling section, and also want to get an answer. I think there are thousand of people out there who bought this machine and also the macbook pro 16“ 2019 model***.
*** just saw on ifixit. The macbook pro 16“ model does have a heatpipe. Two fans and in the middle the heatpipe that goes over the heatsink of cpu and gpu. So i guess they omitted the heatpipe on the air modell cause of the thin body or maybe the weight.
Also the macbooc air 2018 didnt had a heatpipe. It looks like it was the same design
The point is that the hotter it runs, the sooner it dies and the owner has to buy a new one. That is how to build a trillion dolllar company.
@@keithmatthews1673 oh yes thats right. That is called „planned obsolescence“. Maybe it will work just shortly after the warranty ends.
Hi, This mac book is obviously total rubbish with piss poor cooling, the comment I made yesterday were based on the back cover not been a extension of the heat sink which is a joke suggestion but not seeing one of these in real life my analogy was the cover has to be on so the fan would draw cooler air across the heat sink and extract through vents the warm air as most pieces of machines do! This however does appear from your video not to have vents!
Apple doesn't care anymore about quality of their products.
What about using a thermal pad to make really contact with the cover? It's not the best cooling solution but maybe can help... maybe a 2.5mm h pad or less
its probably the best idea i think without having to do any big modification 👍😀
Dont you think thermal pads will cause micro joint breaks under the cpu? Mac is always put on table/carried around and all the vibration is transferred through the thermal pad to the heatsink and cpu
@@MartinRepairs i don't think will make any problem, it's a pretty soft and elastic material and the oscillation from the cpu r so small i don't think can crate any problem, i think the biggest problem it's the overheating. This can cause the cpu diyng earlier. I think trying it's the best option
You seriously don’t think Apple thought about this? The case of the laptop would burn the user’s lap! Or be very uncomfortable. Duh.
use the thermal camera with older model and see if the heatsink temperature is same as the new models ?
i do not see any holes on the bottom cover as some said. so where exactly is the air getting it? they said the cover will channel the air being sucked by the fan.
Are you sure it's missing some part connecting fan to heatsink like normal laptops?
May be you can add a liquid cooling pipe on that cpu heatsink the through cooling fan heat sink.
Or add silicon thermal pad that can touch both the back cover and cpu heatsink tightly.
My be help..
Maybe custom heatsinks for mac 2020 will be a thing, with a proper heattube.... did not find any on aliexpress
I don't know if you know Louis Rossmann, he's in the same line of business as you. He also has the same concern as you regarding the overheating issue and insufficient cooling capabilities of the said macbook. You can search his video. 🙂
He is well aware of him. They were bashing each other something about masks... there are some videos about it on northridge and louises channel
I have the same issue with fan spinning very fast and the is very slow
i would try to put a good/thick thermal pad onto the heatsink
Some Asus laptops have this type of cooling also. Fan is there but doesnt do anything.
Remove this black something from cover, use the best thermopads as you can find and cover all heatsink if this not help, try do something with fan for example: change the direction of rotation. Sorry for my english, i'm from Poland.
How would the heat be? What if you were working on an adobe program
I would try to install a graphite thermal sheet between the CPU and that flimsy cover to see if that makes a difference. By flimsy cover I mean the one that covers the CPU not the actual cover.
By doing that, you will immediately have 80+ degrees on the back cover. Good luck on putting that on your lap or touching it.
@@bouxesas2046 graphite thermal pads?? Are you sure, works like Thermal Paste but better.
@@thischick376 I am not saying that it doesn't work. On the contrary, I say that when you transfer the CPU heat that efficiently on the back cover, it will get so hot that you would not be able to touch it.
@@bouxesas2046 if the graphite thermal sheet is installed I don’t think it will make contact with the cover, as he already show with the thermal paste. Unless, I am missing something on your explanation.
@@thischick376 Ok, so by "cover" you meant the CPU heatsink?
'Innovation'
is the back cover metal? if it is, just put a thermal pad on the top then, put the cover back, if its not metal, then that MacBook rely on air flow circulation through the vent, but it's not enough.
well now I am officially lost as to how they intended to cool the CPU. I was expecting a small fan shroud or something on the back cover to route air from the fan to the heat sink but I did not see anything like that here so now I do not know. That fan only seems to act as a case fan for the whole board.
Another case of Apple purposely producing products with shorter lifespans in order to push customers toward upgrades sooner.
They're never going to change.
PS
I've finally purchased a microscope camera with a 180x lens and snatched-up that very same AmScope articulating arm that you have. I'm also having the exact same issue where I need a 50mm - 76mm adapter ring, but cannot seem to find one for a reasonable price (with fast shipping) anywhere online.
The cheapest I could find would not ship to me (Central USA) before early November. Those I found that would are priced around $60+ which is, in my opinion, ridiculous for what it is.
I was probably going to create my own adapter ring out of MDF with a router or something if I can't get a hold of one.
3D print it
@@moalfa1051 Don't have a 3d printer and have no experience with CAD software. I do have power tools and am experienced with woodwork.
Would adding a thermal pad help any, so at least some of the heat could dissipate through the cover?
...and burn the user’s lap.
do you know if this mac starts without trackpad conected?
Can you test a thermal pad for connecting cpu cooler and case ?
As an Apple authorized service provider, i would ask you: why this costumer came to you while his unit is under warrenty?? Are we talking about scratches and this stuff or Water contact and liquid contact indicators are Red?
As some random people who have some brain in their heads we demand you to get out of this channel and go to fix some other products..have a nice day
There is no doubt based on your observations and theory, that it is a poorly designed device. I am sure that these units will develop problems down the road with overheating. Repairing them will not solve the problem because it will continue. I personally would not repair them because of return issues. It will put a burden of liability on the repair centers. I have always felt that Apple was not in favor of outside shops making repairs to their products.
That's not a computer it's a toaster : ) What about using some thick thermal pads to make it reach the casing
Good day, watching from philippines... may i know the brande and model if your thermal camera
Why northridgefix never replied to our comments... I want to know this.
U need metal heat sink - copper to bond or thermal pad.
Maybe need a big copper sheet plate
there is a thermal pad that makes contact with the cpu....and the pad has contact with the back housing which acts as a heatsink
Looks like scraping the tape of backcover and putting a thermal pad might give it some extra thermal headroom.
I was also thinking this but in may actually make it worse because now you're going from a "supposed" active cooler to a passive one since at that point you have zero airflow over the CPU heatsink. Not sure which would be better. I'm assuming (big assumption) that the Apple engineers probably found the airflow to be worse for thermals than using the back cover as a passive heatsink.
so i have a general question i saw some people using liquid solder or whatever that is so what do you say or if anyone reading this comment please leave an answer
After it melts itself down wouldn’t it be a great coaster for a medium size flower pot?
If i ever open a repair shop i'll buy an Apple laptop chassis and glue it to the ground, so every single customer entering would see my awesome doorstopper 😎😁
Lol I can see the cover being used for cooling may be on a desktop since you are not touching it, but a laptop?
I m your die hard fan.....I want to learn Mobil repairing...how it is possible.... because I stay in india.... please help
Smart boy
design flaw for you to purchase the 2021 macbook
I think that the "cooling" is supposed to work by positive/negative pressure, which is embarrassing considering that adding a heat pipe (even just a tiny one) would have address the issue on a minimal but functional percentage. Those who said that back cover embedded an air channel is not true. Ventilation is not air channel. Moreover, as Alex showed us, the heatsink is making no contact at all on the cover. It also makes me laughing that the black shield between cover and heatsink is supposed to block heat from spreading. Usually that shield is made of copper underneath.
Imo it makes absolutely no sense.
You could try putting a thermal pad in between heatsink and cover and give it a shot, but you'd gain 6/10 degrees and turn your lap into fire.
Thingking the same thing.
I think the reason why they didnt put a nice looking heatsink on the processor is: they wanted a thinner laptop. Aaand it is thin as fck! Well done. Nobody wants anything to do on this mashine.. No work, no play allowed BUT facebook and internet working fine. Who wants to do anything more? :)
I have seen cellphones with heatpipes, cellphones thinner than this crap. so there is no excuse. not that a tiny heat pipe will make a huge difference.
Thermal camera company name please send
I agree with you that laptop is a bad design apple thinks because phones/iPads don’t have a cooling fan they don’t need them on there laptops? The cooling fan is there for show only!
But it’s not true because this is a perfect example of when sales step in to design process to make the laptop last up until it’s warranty period and that’s it?
Inductive cooling
There is probably less cooling so Apple can say fewer raw materials were used to make their new laptops than ever before - thus saving the environment. Except that it doesn't because they will need to make you a new laptop 2 years from now.
NICE SIR
But it looks good in hipster coffee shops and you save on home heating bills. It's a win-win for apple!
Yup, people who run their businesses from the bed will really save on heating bills when they leave their apple on the covers and set the house on fire. Once on site, Fire Departments cut the electrical power asap. Hence the reduced electrical bill. Don't forget the ongoing utility savings while you wait on the insurance company to settle and contractors to repair your home and restore it to habitable condition.
The heat travels via Bluetooth to where 🤔
i am from sri lanka. can you tell me what kind of thermal cam you use?"thats very helpful for me"
He mentioned in one of his videos, get any thermal cam that is 60fps 3xx x 4xx, otherwise you'll be wasting your money. The brand started something with F, I forgot.
I think apple knew m1 was around the corner lol. but I think the fan must be there to move air in the WHOLE of the area out. but that is probably. not enough
Send it to.linus he will put water cooling on it
Linus will say it's fine, he's an apple shill
Linus could try frying an egg on it.
and put rgb
they can also try Lenovo brands too for more fun and excitements,,, goooooo.......😁....
Cpu's have a high failure rate in this model. Would not touch one of these with a barge pole