LGR 486 Update! 83MHz Pentium Overdrive CPU
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.พ. 2020
- Upgrading the Woodgrain 486 PC by replacing the 66MHz 486 CPU with an Intel Pentium Overdrive! Taking a look at the box contents, the installation process, and some DOS game benchmarks. Pretty neat stuff being a drop-in upgrade for a Socket 2/3 486 motherboard.
● LGR links:
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● Download an archive of the disk and docs here:
archive.org/details/Intel_POD...
● Grab the DOS Benchmark Pack here:
www.philscomputerlab.com/dos-...
● Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound:
www.epidemicsound.com
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"This seems like a pretty clear upgrade on paper" he says as he puts the CPU on the paper manual :P
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I wonder if he sends the warranty card in, if they will still honor it!?!
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Fancy fan monitor in the mid-90s: "it's on"
Not telling you the speed, just letting you know it's on. xD
I remember fans without tach pins being pretty common before the early 2000s.
I assume it would alert you if the fan stopped working.
Having a CPU fan at all was fancy in the mid-90s
@@renakunisaki Yeah, and it reduces the CPU speed to 33MHz when that happens too.
Please fill out the "stay in loop" registration card and send it to intel. I'm curious about their reaction :-D
4:27 stay in the loop registration card
@Cal Alaera They'll probably have a good laugh about it.
@@50centgotshot9times I love doing that with old registration cards lol. Companies go what the hell. I mailed a old ass kodak film thing for a product no longer made, with the actual product to them and they just went, cool thanks. I was not happy.
I think he's done it before, if I recall some come back as expired permit and a few were bad addresses.
@Hotpoint2005 Ah I knew it was someone 8-bitty!! Thanks!
A friend of mine had one of these. It seemed to mostly work!
Yeah, it’s one of those oddball processors that always leaves a smile on your face, but then again *mostly work* is not a phrase that I’d enjoy
well it would have troubles with the 32 bit ram related operations but if you didn't need 64 bit ram performance it would work right
I feel like not enough people know who you are...
The weird time when Intel and AMD could run on the same board.
That’s actually like a 20 year period.
Weird to us now, anyways. Back then, it seemed normal.
i wanna say socket 7 was the last one to support both.
That started with the 286. IBM insisted that there be a second supplier for the 286. Intel wrote up a technology sharing agreement with AMD. When the 386 came out, AMD insisted the agreement with Intel covered the 386 as well. Intel sued. The judge agreed with AMD. And the rest is history. :)
@@smiththers2 Yup and Intel would not license the GTL bus protocol used for Slot 1/2 (PPro, PII).
So AMD modernized Socket 7 into 'Super' Socket 7 for the K6 series and then switched to the DEC Alpha's EV6 bus, flipped the Slot 1 connector backwards and called it Slot A for the Athlon.
I was building PCs during this era... These never worked as expected. Massive compatibility issues and pc hardware prices were dropping so fast that most people just bought new computers.
That was my excuse to break away from the Amiga. I wanted the Intel system to run Wolfenstein, Doom and Fields of Glory.
I always saw these in stores and wondered if they worked. I lucked out that my first PC (not the family one, but my own personal one) was a 75mhz P1 so I never needed to pick one of these up.
I never quite understood what they were for back then. But then I was an Amiga guy and so pulling out CPUs and changing them was never really a thing.
@@6581punk For sure... I thought Amiga would conquer the world. How very wrong I was. My next prediction was that MSDOS would be king. Wrong again. Don't rely on me to predict the future of computing lol
As a machine builder you hoped they didn't work as expected because it was fun to get technical with the hardware, you learned tweaks and methods that didn't work for everyone else, I had more fun working with the hardware than I did actually using the computers
13:10 Clint got that Big Disk energy.
9:00 oh man, I do NOT miss jumper settings.
How can anyone miss putting the jumper on the wrong contacts then getting all Urkel and "Did I do that?" When it wouldn't boot afterward
I had forgotten all about that part. Time for the night sweats to start again.
although getting those right feels incredible
My Packard Bell only has a couple of jumper settings for the CPU: clock speed and CPU type.
It was a time when we counted in HALF megahertz.
Now we're grossly rounding CPU speed at half GIGAHERTZ.
We still round up by 1, if the clock speed ends in “666”!
uh we do not round CPU speed up at half gigahertz, what are you talking about?
Moore's law is a beautiful thing to behold. Even if it does end up making all my shiny new components outdated before their even home from the shop.
@@startedtech i think he means 10th ghz lol, 2.4 3.5 4.6 etz......er etc
Wot..?
Hey man! Love the work, my computer science teacher literally makes me watch you as our homework 😂
Joji- Chan lucky
easiest homework I can think of
That goes to show that LGR has good and informative content
If that's true your teacher is a berk. I like Clint's video's but his content doesn't do much for a computer science course.
10:14 *HOLD ON* mouse support in a 1993 BIOS?
WHAT?
A few rodent-enabled bios's existed. I remember merrily clicking my way thru a new mobo's Bios settings right out of the box, then boot to DOS and spend 15 mins tweaking Config.sys & Autoexec.bat to get Mouse.sys to run in Himem and enable same mouse on same Serial Port for DOS 6 that the Bios had auto-recognised. That yielded a white text based square cursor that could be used to edit documents in WordPerfect 5.1
Then tweak the mouse again in Windows 3.1 Control Panel so I could really appreciate the 90's
I might have been singing "Takin' Care Of Business" at the time...
Yup was a thing in the late 486 and early Socket 7 era. AMI had it, Award didn't AFAIR.
that caught me off guard too
Yeah, had an old Pentium Pro motherboard w/ a mouse-ready BIOS (used it 2 throw together an OS/2 Warp PC @ some point, still have it in storage I think).
It was a true rarity back then, & apparently it didn't really catch on as a standard BIOS feature until *much* L8R.
I was shocked too
Activate Duke Nukem voice
“Listen to the sound of my DISK....”
Damn LGR, just damn...
I got a geekgasm right there...
@@daniela_dundel Actually he is really funny. So go away from here if you don't like it.
@@daniela_dundel Toxic people like you...go away
Clint: _"[...] and I love Missile Command."_
Camera: _"Not this again...!"_ *[kills itself]*
So the camera is more sentient then the fanmonitor software
Either you're an English nerd, or you write scripts, because that's some nice syntax and formatting you got there!
Man you've just [nurd-out] with that sentence! XD
I remember when my dad brought home a Kingston Technologies 120MHz overdrive chip and put it in our computer... :) This brings back memories, lol
That's what I've got in my Eduquest. Those chips are great- went from a 25mhz sx to around 100mhz
@@radracer2033 I had one of these as well, what a difference, that and about 8 extra mb of ram up to 12...that kept me going for a couple of year 😆
Going from a 486SX66 system to a M-II (I think 233) was amazing (hey it can play mp3s in realtime!) but then to our K6 was a crazy upgrade.
@@georgen.8027 I was quite happy with teens FPS on a crt back in the day, I was proper gaming as far as I was concerned 😆
Literally just installed this upgrade into my 486 computer last week. Took forever for one to show up on eBay but I finally got it.
Imagine a world where you receive paper manuals and an Intel-branded installation tool for an 83 MHz CPU. Damn I miss the 90s.
Pentium 83mhz for 486?I remember Pentium released for 586?so it's a 486 processor with mmx?
Bro think of the trees
@@strategicfooyouagencyfirst8197 586 was the original proto name for pentium
Wonder in what way shape or form this very specific event improves the image of the 90s
I appreciate your love for this old tech and I can hear in your voice the same excitement that I hold when setting up old stuff from my childhood. My favorite channel!
I remember when Pentium 4 was launched back in early 2000s and required a separate 12V cable as Pentium 2s and 3s were 5V only. Anandtech called its cute little CPU cooler (by modern standards) a quote/unquote "Mount Everest".
It's fun digging through the archives!
TBF, the P4 connector wasnt just for voltage. The Athlon XP line pulled power from 12V and didnt use the P4. The P4 came about because netburst glugged down amperage like it was going out of style.
@@Nick-ue7iw I always wondered why this was never added to the 24 pin connector you know like make it a 32 pin connector or something.
@@Nick-ue7iw IIRC, a fair few Athlon XP boards didn't use a 12V regulator for CPU voltage, just using a regular 5V one. Main reason that stopped happening (except on some later budget boards) was that they kept burning up ATX connectors due to drawing too much current.
I was honestly shocked back in the day at this 'huge' lump of metal and fan that was needed to cool a 1 ghz AMD Duron...
And by modern standards that cooler isn't even comparable to a stock cooler. XD
How things change...
Did you ever see a PowerMac G5 heatsink? Now _those_ were impressive hunks of solid metal.
Ahhh, simpler times, when you did not need a fist sized lump of aluminium and copper to cool your CPU.
Fist sized? My cooler is the size of a childs head
@@senorcapitandiogenes2068 child's head? My cooler is the size of a compact car!
Yeah those little 80386/80486 didn't really need anything but that porcelain top. Nowadays any processor is under a pound or more of aluminum copper and fans haha
While my cooler is decently large it is no where near a pound, but it isn’t near as simple as the pentium overdrive
@@vipervidsgamingplus5723 Never thought about the weight, but my cooler requires a backing plate just to support its hefty size.
Oh MY! I remember those, fondly. In 1994/5 I was writing the code for a touch screen information kiosk system called Metrodata in Basic with a bunch of little machine code parts. I started out with an Intel 486/33, upgraded to a 486DX2/66 the finally to a "Pentium" 83 like yours. I don't know how much they would have helped the average user but for my graphics manipulation and programming they were the ducks guts. I really found out how much they helped when I had to write the graphics color 'normalizer' that took the high color BMP pictures for a page and normalized all of them to one 256 color pallet since that is all we had to work with. The pages were put together on a computer with one of these chips then exported to a file type I wrote that would load quickly on a 386 with 1 meg of ram. The difference in the time it took to bring in the various pictures for the screen and normalize them was something like 1/4 of the time it took the 486DX2/66. Ahh, memories of the good old days.
This takes me back. I feel so old right now. It's amazing how far tech has come.
Oh the good old days of messing about with jumpers, and by the time you had set them all correctly a faster CPU had come out and you had to start over....
I can remember being in my first IT support job in London, England fitting those to Compaq desktops in Investment banks. They did make a difference to their spreadsheet work.
Wow, so cool to see a "city boy" among us
Being an IT guy in 90's London would be an awesome time i think, (I'm in a small city in Colombia) as an IT guy myself in the 00's that was good times. I can imagine 90's London with awesome music and cool nightlife, do you party a lot?
I was an IT guy in London in the 90s. London was a bit of a shithole back then, but had lots more (and much better) clubs. Everyone was taking drugs of course, which were waaay more expensive then they are now. A much more fun place than it is today, but that goes for most Western European major cites. Less crime, better run and much shitter nightlife than 20 years ago.
@@StartledPancake thanks for your reply, i imagined 90's London exactly like that, lots of nice clubs, nice music and a lot of drugs and drinking, of course there is no perfect city, what was the shitty aspects of 90's and todays London?. Do you know Bristol? I really like the music from there: Massive Attack, Portishead, the trip hop scene, is today alive?
The biggest advantage I think with some of these was that if I remember correctly, the Pentium chips came with float-point math, whereas the x86 chips did not (and required a math co-processing unit). That and back then if you had a 33 MHz system, going to 83 MHz was more than double the speed. Even less if you had the 66 Mhz version, but still 17 MHz back then was about a 20% speed bump over the faster 66 Mhz 486 at stock speeds.
This is why I still tune in after all these years. You still find amazing little gems that bring me way back. That damn packaging dude!
They must have included the "floating point conformance test" after the whole Pentium FDIV debacle :D
I believe the FDIV bug only affected less than 120 Mhz Intel cpus.
When your mum thinks you're watching a video from the 90s cause she hears a guy talking about a computer she knows about...
Think the only thing my Mum knows in a computer are the fans
Man! The banners that I could have made in print shop with that thing!
"No Bachmann Turner included" just made my day. Thank you
Listen to the sound of my disc click click click buzzz click
"No bachman turner" - you're old for saying it, I'm old for laughing at it ;)
I have a feeling that we ain't seen nothing yet.
@@Korium84 B b b baby
Literally looking at the comments to see who else noticed this?
This was my first desktop that was all my own! In a Packard Bell!
Ran it until 2003 even running Windows 2000 painfully on 32mb of ram.
It would have cost you less than $50 and 3 minutes of your time to upgradewith more RAM not to mention all the time you would have saved not waiting. 🤣
@@anarex0929 It originally had 8 and then 16 before going to 32. Honestly not sure how available 32mb dimm's were available for that board, but I only had two slots. I do remember paying almost $40 for 16mb around the turn of the century at a computer fair so it wasn't cheap. Everyone had switched to EDO or or SDRAM by then.
By 2003 no doubt your desktop was going, "please...kill...me".
@@KyleMahaney ya but like other hardware the price gets cut and the speed and size go up.
An thats why you pull the small ones and install 64MB sticks.
@@KyleMahaney I vaguely remember the family Packard Bell getting a Pentium Overdrive, though at the end of its life it had at least 64 Megabytes of ram installed and was running Windows 98....
So many memories of the 486 era and working on my own PC. Thanks for putting these out!
This has been one of my favorite videos! I always wanted to do this back in the day, it was always to expensive. Thank you for letting me live it through you!
This brings back so many GOOD memories :D I remember having a 83MHz Pentium Overdrive and it was the best CPU for 486 systems that fully support the processor (allowing the internal L1 cache to run with write-back mode enabled and without any interposers that disable the L2 cache). A bare handful of POD-83's also could take an "overclock" to 100 MHz (40 MHz bus), but it wasn't too common. At 100 MHz with write-back L1 cache, it obscenely massacres all the other Socket 2/3 contenders, unless they're clocked to ridiculous (and usually unattainable on most motherboards) levels. I've got a Genoa TurboExpress 486VLG-2X motherboard with SiS 471 chipset and S3 805 VLB video card, running an 80 MHz (40 MHz bus) clocked IBM 5x86 in an Evergreen 3V adapter at the moment. With this processor/clockspeed setup, DOOM runs at close to the same realtics as it does with 100 MHz core / 33 MHz bus, showing the rather profound effect that the higher bus speed has on final performance. (Setting the ISA bus to run at 10/12 MHz saves a lot of realtics when sound is enabled, just remember that most ISA cards don't like running past 10 MHz). Awesome review Sir!
good ol' times matey ! 👋
I read the whole thing, understood about half of it, but walked away feeling like I could hack into the government's mainframe from 1997. 💪😎👌
It's true, but as you say the vast vast majority of Pentium Overdrive 83 chips could not do 100 MHz. Meanwhile the AMD 5x86 133 could be easily OCed to 160 MHz, virtually all chips and boards could do it. And at 160 MHz it performed about on par with the Overdrive 83 overall, and not too far behind in FPU tasks because it was clocked at double the frequency. It was also 3 times cheaper when it came out, so I think it was the better upgrade chip overall, otherwise you should have just gotten Socket 7.
I remember me and my friend swapped our AMD 5x86 and P83 chips for a couple weeks to see how each other's ran. My board wouldn't do 40Mhz and the pentium wouldn't hit 100Mhz on his board so we swapped back.
As a nerd from the 90s , I'm always watching these videos so much. Keep up the good work Clint
"The beginning of a valuable relationship with Intel. Just what I've been looking for around Valentines Day"
Heehhehhee, priceless 😂😂😂
I purchased this for my IBM DX2-33 when it came out back in 1995! I remember I had to work all summer to save enough money for that thing! It also required me to do a EEPROM upgrade. I enjoyed the hell out of it. There was definitely a noticeable difference in performance. It was euphoric turning it on for the first time after the upgrade. I miss that wonderful machine.
Fascinating! I had a i486 dx4-100 back in the day, can't remember which revision... such nostalgia! much processor! :D
They were indeed the good
I replaced my original 486DX-40 VLB-bus PC with a Cyrix Cx5x86-100 PCI-bus system, which is basically a cut-down Cyrix 6x86 designed to work with socket 3 486-class boards (similar to the Pentium Overdrive in the video). Blazing fast by comparison. Kicked the pants off the AMD DX-4s. The comparable AMD product would be the AMD Am5x86, the last AMD socket 3 design.
4:49 hipster beard maintenance rake
Another awesome upgrade video Clint! Really refreshing and nostalgic seeing computers of yesteryear being upgraded - anyway, looking forward to the next one bro'! More power and God bless from the Philippines!
Finally. After going through every single LGR video I caught up and can now wait for weekly episodes! Thanks for the content Clint, you're my new favorite content creator!
2.38W -> 14.7W
oh Intel :P
I used to have one of these. :-)
If I remember correctly back in the day, there was a lot of talk about how a DX4/100 was faster than the slower Pentiums
There was. I remember an article in Computer Shopper (remember that magazine?) all about it. There was also quite a discussion about how fast 386s were arguably better than 486s when the 486 first came out.
In most cases, the DX4-100 was faster than the PODP5V83. The problem with the OverDrive was that one of the key features of the Pentium was its 64-bit data bus, while the 486's bus could only pump 32 bits at a time. But to make the PODP work on 486 boards, Intel had to cut it down to the 486's 32-bit bus. That negated a big part of its performance edge. If you were hitting the FPU a lot, the PODP was faster because it had a real Pentium FPU section, but if you weren't, it had trouble beating the DX4-100 in integer ops. A DX4-120 or the AMD 5x86-133 beat it easily, and against a Cyrix 5x86-100, forget it.
Johnathan Geek Oh yes, I remember Computer Shopper! That may be exactly where I read that.
@@johnathin0061892 The fastest instruction on a 386 took 2 clocks while 486 was 1 clock and pipelined. Slightly different in various ways. So a 486 at the same clock speed could be twice as fast as a 386. Same with 486 vs. Pentium, but the Pentium was superscalar (U and weaker V pipes) and pipelined FPU. But software that wasn't optimized properly (e.g. 486 was very picky on alignment) didn't show much difference outside of raw clock speed increase. (Or something like that.)
I just wanted to say that this is the rare channel where I like the subject matter and I also totally connect with the presentation. I started viewing videos on pieces of hardware that interested me, and I ended watching most or all of them.
Thanks for this unboxing video! I had an i486dx 33 growing up and my parents took the plunge and got this overdrive chip! This took me back:)
Last time I was this early, I pressed the turbo button. 💥
So you were Slow if IT wasnt pressed
@@vendybirdsvadl7472 no he was slow when it was pressed that how it worked
@@vendybirdsvadl7472
He slowed down because it was pressed.
Oddly enough, LGR did a video on the turbo.
OH frick i Said wasnt
@@Penoatle i seen that video but i messed up the reply, also lower mhz = lower speed right? On my computer Its goes up when pressed
Lol "No Bachman Turner included" :D
But you ain't seen nothing yet :P
Busy takin’ care of business!
Props to the band from my hometown (Winnipeg), classic tunes still just as rockin' as they were back in the 70s.
Until he turned it on, then it shouted, "Hey You!"
I had this back in the day in my Presario 924cds. Still have it all except the disk. Thank you so much for posting it!
Prices back then sound about right. When I purchased my first 320MB hard drive I paid $340 for it. I thought I wouldn't need a drive larger than that. =) Clint, love the sounds your system is making and I about had a nerdgasm when you put the mic up to the floppy drive! :D Great video!
I got one of these back in the day when they started getting cleared out on discount. Definitely breathed some life into my 486 and got me by for another couple years.
I want someone to sample you saying "listen to the sound of my disk" I feel like it would fit really well in the beginning of some sort of remix/ techno music
Thank you for continuing to find things I didn't realize I had nostalgia for. Really enjoyed this video. It's crazy to look back at how much of my life was working with PC's, helping friends and family decide on upgrades and the "joy" of troubleshooting. I actually did a processor upgrade to an Intel DX4-100, man I thought I was hot shit then. 100Mhz! I'm unstoppable!!
You got a cool shout out from Linus! Good stuff to see all of my guys acknowledging each other!
I LOVE that you reviewed this chip. I totally remember it back in the day and complained about how expensive it was. Now that I see it would've done very little for the price. I feel better now that I never got it.
Always nice to see an LGR video when I have a nice hot cup of joe in the morning. Great video Clint, love these 486 Upgrade videos
Always love to see you geeking out over this stuff! Thanks for the awesome content!
I really enjoy your videos. It's like you verbalize the things I would be curious about, in addition to trying a few things I had no idea existed but still find fun to watch. Thanks LGR.
That processor-removal tool seems like an excellent way to end up with bent pins.
The irony is that only a person who is quite knowledgeable with CPU installation and removal would ever be able to use it properly. Honestly if I used that to remove my first CPU I would have bent the pins for sure.
I bent pins on several 486 chips in my day. I had several boards with LIF sockets that required the use of this tool to replace the CPU.
@@marcmayzes8461 that makes sense, but think of an amateur with no experience trying to find out how to use it 😂
I had a plastic CPU tool that grabbed from both sides and didn't go far enough in to bend pins.
@@michaelsasylum Same here now, weird how they used metal for this one, as it is conductive and could cause a short.
Your Duke impression is so awesome goosebumps!
I was a 80's baby and because I was big into tech I received a lot of hand me downs. Every time I watch one of your videos I get major flashbacks/ptsd. Love your content!
I've just discovered your channel. I'm a bit older than you, but I got into computers relatively later in my life (I'd had no interest in games up till about 1994 when I saw someone playing Doom, so then I was hooked and I just _had_ to have a computer! :) ), so I recognize the glee with which you're exploring these options that were unavailable or prohibitively expensive in their day, and the fun you have revisiting these old things.
I remember, when computers were new and mysterious to me, I'd take everything as some sort of holy ritual - read the manuals, smell all the things, install every stupid bit of bloatware and gawp at the crappy little games that were included - e.g. I remember playing the heck out of the silly bumper car game that came included with Win95 (or was it 98?). It was all so exciting and new at the time - the glamour fades as one knows more, but it all seemed so magical when I was new to it, when the world was new to it.
A lot of your vids remind me of the feeling I had the first time I went noclip in Doom and explored the strange non-world outside the map. All this old tech, with the faint echoes of the buzz and marketing and gimmicks that surrounded it, is a bit like that now - a kind of surreal _demi-monde,_ suspended in the void, that's nevertheless extremely charming and nostalgic if you lived through it at the time.
Oh and a request: do a vid on the Rendition Verite graphics chips (made into a few cards like the Diamond Stealth 220, which I had). For a short while, these GPUs really fit a niche if you were building a new computer at the time, as it was a highly affordable full 2-d/3-d card. It was a tad slower than the Voodoo (although it was just as fast when using its own RRedline API - and the Quake people made a special version of Quake using it, vQuake, which could play Quake smoothly in higher resolutions, even with anti-aliasing, etc.). It's one of those "what if" scenarios - GPUs could have gone down the programmable route early on with these GPUs, but unfortunately the design was flawed in a way that meant that 3dfx, ATI and Nvidia pushed ahead in terms of speed at a crucial time. If RV had just managed to hang on, their next v3 iteration would probably have beaten all comers, but it wasn't to be.
"Listen to the sound of my disk"... love the sound of floppy drives, love the speed of SSDs.
I'm the IT manager for my Radio Shack store, and this sure looks great. Boy these computers just blow me away with this kind of stuff. Those guys at Intel are just insane! They'll always be on top with tech like this.
I can't wait to install it and run Quicken so much faster. Though lately I've been playing a lot more solitaire than anything else around the store, not many customers. The customers we do get tend to just hang around staring at walls or urinating against them. Weird.
Hi just to say I've been watching you're videos for a good long while almost watched all of them but this one is the best one I've seen keep it up I look forward to watching more
I love the fact that you watched the installation instructional demo AFTER installing it. I have done things like that so many times in the past.
the leap of speeds between 486 and the first pentiums has been really the most remarkable. It doesn't happens anymore that your next computer is 4X time faster than the old one
Love to see a 286 to 486 chip upgrade I remember longing for one of those to do a quick upgrade
That's it's remember seeing it in magazines advertised as a 486 to could be plugged into a 286 professor socket
I love such LGR series !!! It was very interesting to see such a modification !!!
I will look forward to the video about 486-100 and especially about AMD K-5 !!!
Thanks! =)
Ooohh.. you have the disk. Just expanded the description and see you uploaded it to archive.org. Thanks!
lol the blessing of them jumpersettings xD
yups they sure did take some time to get setup right
Oh the memories of my 8th grade PC are flooding back to me! When I got into high school, there was a computer store very close by so I had my dad swing by on the way home so I could see how much I needed to save. I was looking at all the shiny new Socket 7 and Socket A stuff but they were way out of the budget for at least a few months. Instead, the guy behind the counter said, how much money you got kid? I was like...$20? The sales guy said, hold on, I think I've got something you'll like! A minute later, he brings me a dusty chip and says "it's no Athlon, but for $20 I can almost double your speed with this chip." A short discussion about my mobo later we determined that I was running Socket 3 and was good to go. The jumper settings were printed right on the board.
No joke, it is to this day the best $20 computer part I've ever bought. No other part under $100 has brought me such joy. It not only made Duke3D run WAY better, it *enabled* me to play other things, albeit just barely. I was lucky enough to have a pretty quick VLB VGA card so later DOS games got almost smooth with this chip. (Quake was a slide show and had to wait until I got my Socket 7 box later that year)
Technical info....
The extra row of pins is present on on all PODP sockets, Socket 2, 3 and 6. These are the reserved pins for the PODP that are visible when a 486 is installed. These sockets differ primarily in the voltage support, with socket 3 being the most common and most versatile. Socket 2 does 5V, Socket 3 does 5V and 3.3V and Socket 6, the rarest of the three, supports 3.3V CPUs only. All PODPs are 3.3V internally; the 5V ones just have a built in voltage regulator. (the circuitry visible under the heatsink)
Some systems require an interposer that lifts one pin on the PODP chip to work around some chipset bugs involving cache. Remove this if present and see if the machine remains stable as this workaround disables the L2 cache. This interposer is the "extra hardware" that Packard Bell 450 needed to use the PODP.
Performance of the CPU is much better than a 486 and slightly better than a Pentium 60 but slower than a Pentium 75 as the FSB is a serious bottleneck on PODP systems due to the use of the 486 bus. The bus not only runs at less than half speed, but it's half as wide as well. The L1 caches are larger on the PODP (32K total) than in the plain Pentium (16K) to compensate for the lack of FSB bandwidth.
Did we skip sockets 4 and 5? Nope! Socket 4 is for the original Pentium (60/66MHz) and Socket 5 is for the 75+MHz 3.3/3.52V Pentium. Socket 7 is essentially Socket 5 with split core and I/O voltage though the earliest S7 boards sometimes didn't implement the split voltage, making them unsuitable for non-OverDrive Pentium MMX CPUs. Super 7 is Socket 7 with a 100MHz FSB and low core voltage support for the K6-2 and K6-III CPUs. Socket 8 is for the Pentium Pro, the predecessor to the Pentium II and basically all "modern" x86 CPUs.
Great story! Just curious, what year was this? I'm curious when the POD 83 could have been had for $20.
@@QuantumBraced Late 2000
@@MadScientistsLair Thanks. :)
always a pleasure to watch LGR videos
Thanks for directly capturing the demo graphics. I love them.
No Bachman-Turner with that overdrive? Let it ride, man.
I was looking for a NOT FRAGILE logo on the box ^^
This CPU was available for sale at Mushkin as late as 1999. I remember pricing it there to upgrade some old 486 systems, but I ended up going with the Kingston Turbochip 133 (AMD 5x86-P75 on an adapter), because some of the systems only had the original 486 socket. It was faster than the PODP5V83 anyway, except in floating point, but it wasn't cheap. They were going for $189 at the CompUSA in Raleigh late in 1998.
If you had a state-of-the-art 486 board, you were actually better off with the Cyrix 5x86-100 anyway. That was a Cyrix 6x86 cut down to fit on a 486 board, and if you had Linear Burst in the BIOS, it would beat either Intel's PODP or AMD's 5x86. Problem was, it would only work well on the best boards. I usually recommended the AMD part, because it was just a regular 486 with WB cache and could work fine on anything.
Strange thing for me to say, but I love those giddy giggles you let out. Really shows your passion for your work.
Hi - Loving your videos - and the great 4K Res.! Thanks!! IF I may, a LOT of what you are Posting brings back Memories of what I worked thru many years back. While I was never much of a gamer, I DID stumble across a DOS Game which (seriously) deserves your attention. In DOS, but since the Win-3.1.1-Days, the "Crusader - No Remorse" and the newer "Crusader - No Regrets" games from E.A. (Electronic Arts - if I remember correctly?) was a HUGE step forward, and for me was HUGELY Addictive! Please search this out - but I would be happy to send you an 'Evaluation Copy'... Good on You for keeping Alive, the precious PAST of our Tech.! Cheers! Bernie - Vancouver, Canada.
I don’t know what any of this means. I just like to listen to your voice when I’m stressed 😂
No stress, only soothing LGR
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I thought I was alone. I can hear him talking all day about computers
So bloody soothing isn't it!
the floppy drive sounds.
It is surprising how well the package has held up or being so old.
Clint, thanks for covering this because I have the same 486 DX2 66Mhz and I was wondering how to upgrade it. This is very helpful (I am nervis about changing Jumper setting) and really enjoy your show!
I really enjoy your videos! I really wish i would of kept more stuff from qhen i was a kid, my father owned a pc repair and sales company here in australia similar to the one you got to visit We had so much new old stock for years and it was sad to see 90% of it go, your videos are a comforting reminder of when times were so much simpler :) Thanks
"Listen to the sound of my disc." I spat out my coffee! Good stuff! Thanks for more fun nostalgia!
I remember watching a review on another OverDrive processor, it's overdrive to Pentium2, but for Socket 8 motherboard, user can instantly upgrade from original Pentium Pro CPU to Pentium2, with MMX support.
I think Intel developed them just for a super computer.
God I love your videos. I feel like I am on the 90s when all things are simple.
Saw a few new in box Pentium Overdrives on ebay yesterday and it made me wonder. Thanks LGR for reading my mind and taking care of my curiosity! ;)
LGR: "The Intel overdrive doesn't come with Bachman and Turner."
Intel: "You ain't seen nothing yet."
haha yeah, _Godzilla!_
wait, that's BOC.
Had one of those, it was how one sneaked in a upgrade when the wife didnt agree on a all new pc 🤭
Nice job, Sir.
"the pentium for cucks"
This was the platonic ideal of an LGR video. Thanks for making it!
Fantastic! I’ve always dreamed of performing this upgrade, but I. Ever got around to it. I’m glad you catalogued what I would have done :P
7:02 I believe the "LGR Woodgrain Overdrive" would sound more tasteful...
I second this
I remember working in the CompUSA tech shop around this time and I remember a lot of conflicts with branded systems of that time. Crap shoot whether it would work or not.....lots of returns too.
Man, you are the very definition of a flashback!!! Awesome video...
Thanks for sharing. I’ve always wondered about this.
Could you imagine going back in time to 1995 and dropping off today's most powerful system?
The government would confiscate it
Mindblown people until they want to start their corel draw version, which is totally incompatible - busted
"GIGABYTES..? OF RAM?!" "Theres no parallel or serial ports..!" That'd be the supercomputer of the time probably though. I can only imagine
Could you imagine somebody from 2042 travelling to today and dropping their most powerful system?
you'd be killed for witchcraft lol
Oh my god, that installation slideshow is SO FREAKIN' 1997! IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE I'M BACK ON GEOCITIES!
Ooh, I forgot about this. Thanks for the memories.
i always wondered what that overdrive was all about. thanks for showing us
LGR is in the top 1% of TH-cam for content, production and coolness! 😁 IMHO
I remember how puzzled everyone was at the time over these. They were so expensive, and didn't provide much upgrade, compared to buying a new motherboard/cpu.
I don't. In the mid-90s a new motherboard and cpu could easily run you $1500s. A 16 megabyte ram (SIMM) upgrade would run you $500. Buy in for a new P75 or P100 with a monitor was roughly $3000. So a $300 CPU upgrade at the time was in line with the cost of virtually every upgrade. Doesn't mean that you would have sunk the money on it but it definitely was not out of the question.
i remember this CPU, i had a Acer Acros 486 sx 25Mhz running Windows for work groups 311, so i decided to upgrade to Windows 95, and i knew about the over drive from a pc magazine.. i went and got my over drive at Computer city, the one i got was labeled AMD 586, 83 Mhz overdrive... mine was a little different , on the top it had the CPU labeled AND 586 and under the CPU it had some type of adapter, so the AMD 586 sat on top of the i guess was the adapter... this thing was so cool that it even came with a VHS tape and a tool to lift the old CPU. i did notice a performance difference, so i was a happy camper. i miss the old days. great video thank you LGR