This is the reason I love my ultimate controller. They took the best parts from Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft’s controllers and made one controller out of them. I’ve never used a better controller.
Same. It's legitimately better than the big name-brand controllers, and costs less. Their old controllers weren't great, but the 8bitdo Pro 2 and Ultimate are fantastic.
Couple notes/corrections. 1) The "Ultimate 2.4G" has officially iOS support over Bluetooth, while the "Ultimate Bluetooth" does not. 2) the "Ultimate 2.4G" also supports Switch if you press a certain button combo (it is explained in the FAQ for the controller on 8bitdo's site). No Gyro though. 3) the reason the "Ultimate Bluetooth" is flaky on Android is because it connects as a Switch controller, and not all versions of android nor most games support switch controllers. 4) The Ultimate Wired (non-xbox) supports the ultimate software, but only in X-input mode. You can't modify the Switch mode on it, make the paddles and profiles useless if you buy that controller for Switch. I feel like the Ultimate C doesn't support Switch solely because it would make the Ultimate Wired largely pointless. I really wish they picked a better naming scheme, had a signular chart which clearly explained all the differences, and made a version of the Ultimate controller with the 8bitdo SN30 Pro 2's guts in it. Bluetooth feels like an afterthought in these controllers and currently you have to buy 2 different Ultimate controllers to get close to the Pro 2's compatibility.
Is the ultimate 2.4ghz one the pink one? If so then that one connects to just as much as the black $70 one for much cheaper. Only difference is hall sensor sticks and gyro. I'd go for the pink one out of all these controllers.
As an additional correction, as I wish @Retro Game Corps mentioned this in the closing thoughts, be aware of what you need to play on. The cheapest versions, the C Wired and C 2.4g only work on PC and mobile, NOT consoles. The priced-around-$35 Wired Ultimates only work on their respective consoles (Switch or Xbox) and can work on PC, Steam Deck and mobile, YMMV. The Ultimate Software customization should be a starting point to test full compatibility with the PC, but for Linux OS's, either an update needs to be pushed (like from Valve on the Steam Deck, or a modification to the driver to allow the mid-tier Wired to be recognized like an Xbox controller. And don't expect any of the other controllers that aren't officially licensed by Microsoft to work on Xbox without some help.
Thank you for sharing. I was thinking recently should I use XInput mode or Android pairing mode for RetroArch in my old Shield TV 😂 I think I didn't bother with Switch mode for my android use case.
Wait, on your first point, how does the 2.4g version connect to IOS over Bluetooth? Isn't it supposed to NOT have bluetooth? Isn't that the whole point? I'm utterly confused.
I love 8bitdo and have nearly all of their controllers. They really revolutionized the 3rd party controller industry and brought us out of the dark ages of cheap poor quality knock offs. Although their Ultimate line up is confusing, I'm happy that they are finding a way to iterate their products in order to survive. I would prefer 8bitdo continues to thrive as a company long into the future. 8bitdo quality is unmatched!
@@akhakimin2408 Did you get a controller ? I think the 8bitdo lite 2 is the cheapest fully functional controller that they do. Either that or spend some more on a pro 2.
literally the video about 8bitdo ultimates that we need. You could've split this videos into a number of videos but you made it as a whole. Literally the "ultimate" comparison. I appreciate the effort man.
It's weird to see them use a name like "ultimate" to describe a range of controllers with different features across a price range of $20-70. I have to thank you for this video, too. My wife got me the Ultimate Switch controller (the $70) and I had no clue the 2.4gHz dongle will work if it's plugged into the charging dock, that's plugged into your gaming device! That's just so cool!
Additionally the "Ultimate" controllers have less compatibility compared to most of their previous controllers. For example your Ultimate model can only act as a Switch controller over Bluetooth and Switch or Xinput over 2.4G.
@@OmairArif yeah, the Pro+ had the most compatibility I can put of them all, I think. The Ultimate line has a better controller feel for an analog stick in the “main” position though, and I love that the Switch Ultimate can actually wake up the console.
The 8bitdo Pro2 is maybe the best one for me, it goes from PC/Mac, to Android/iOS and Switch, work works with the 8Bitdo Ultimate software, you change mode with a switch on the back and cost only 50$. Among all their line up, it's the one I use the most often for gaming on either my Switch in docked mode or my PC.
I just wish they'd _finally_ get to the point to release an ultimate version of the Ultimate controller, i.e. one that _actually_ is able to connect to everything. I don't mind (much) if ABXY are labelled the wrong way for my head, but it just _shouldn't_ be the case that something called "Ultimate" has you decide whether you want to use a controller on the Switch or the Xbox and depending on which you buy, you simply CANNOT use it on one of those devices. So either I demand an _actually_ ultimate controller, or they should add an asterisk to that name.
Actually you can use any controller on windows, even a switch pro or a weird android only controller. But you'll have to use a program called XOutput to emulate a full X-input. The real problem is using a X-input only controller on Nintendo Switch or android.
This is incredible timing for me. My old controller finally bit the dust and I'm shopping for an 8bitdo replacement. The whole lineup was a little confusing. Your video was very helpful!
If you like the SN30 Pro but wish it was more "Ultimate", you should check out the SN30 Pro 2. It's got the same mode-switch features and broad bluetooth support of the Pro 1, but it adds grips, analog triggers, and back buttons with support for remapping via the Ultimate software. I'm still tempted to get the Ultimate for the 2.4ghz and charging dock, but the pro 2 is great.
What I love about your videos is how well documented all the info is. How easy to understand the breakdown is when you talk about multiple topics/products in one video. Everyone else just love to just mash everything together and its just hard and confusing sometimes to know what they're talking about, especially with a product line as confusing as this.
Thank you for a great review! I've had drift issues with Nintendo's official Pro Controllers, so glad to hear we have some great alternatives. I actually use 8BitDo's SN30 Pro+ with my Switch for pretty much every Switch game (except Smash Bros) and love everything about it! I have a few 8BitDo controllers and am constantly impressed at the build quality and comfort.
the pro still is my favorite controller from 8bitdo. can connect to switch and pc, wirelessly, with both xinput and dinput support. also the external battery that allows you to swap in double a batteries so i can use my rechargeables. perfect controller, if they can make a controller with those features on the Ultimate series grip and layout that would probably be my new favorite. love the colors that aren't just black and white too, like the newer cheaper options and the transparent options for the pro 2 line.
I don't understand how this isn't already a thing, they've released 6 Ultimate controllers now and Bluetooth is an afterthought across the whole lineup (even the "Ultimate Bluetooth" can only act as a Switch Pro controller over Bluetooth, have to use 2.4G for x-input) and you have to buy 2 Ultimate models to come close to the compatibility of the Pro 2.
I ended up ordering the Ultimate Bluetooth Controller along with replacement Xbox style buttons direct from 8bitdo. The replacement buttons were an extra $5. Once it arrived I swapped the buttons and got the best version of the controller with buttons that match my uses.
I came here to figure out which Ultimate 8BitDo controller would be best for my Odin 2… ended up getting the Pro 2 as it seems the most practical for me. Thanks Russ!
I bought the ultimate (Switch/White) and it's pretty cool. I've used it on Switch, PC and Steam Deck without any issues, the rumble and gyro are good specially for something like Mario Tennis Aces. My only problem is that I wish they had more color options for that one! those green controllers look sick.
Still some of the best 3rd party controllers. Though I'm a bit disappointed that they removed the rechargeable battery pack of the previous generations. The idea of having one battery compartment that takes both the pack and noch rechargeable batteries was brilliant.
The SN30 Pro BT is my favourite. I love the D-Pad on it, and how it's in the most prominent position. I also love how I can have it remember 4 pairings at once (as long as they're different methods). I have it paired with my Steam Deck (B), Switch (Y), Analogue Pocket (X), and my Macbook (A). It'll connect to whichever device I choose when I power it on.
Honestly my favorite is still the King Kong 2/Zen Pro controller. The sticks of course are amazing, syncing is easy, lets me swtich between pc and switch with just a button press, has amiibo support.
The difference in battery life is obviously because one uses Bluetooth Low Energy and the other uses 2.4 GHz. 2.4 GHz is far beyond the frequencies used by Bluetooth. This allows lower latency, higher transfer speed and higher pulling rate. Two of these three advantages are important for the controller. The downside is of course the higher energy consumption. The frequency of electromagnetic waves is proportional to its energy. To achieve a higher frequency you need more energy. This is basic knowledge of wave optics and, at least in Germany, is part of physics lessons in school at the latest in high school. Also, Ah is the unscientific unit of capacity. It doesn't say much about how much electric energy can actually be stored inside of a battery rather than it counts the mass of electrons that can be stored. The correct unit for the electrical storage capacity is Watt-hour (Wh). The Watt-hour of a battery is equal to its Ampere-hour multiplied by its voltage. So, double capacity doesn't mean that the battery can store double the energy and has double the battery life, if the voltage of this battery is lower. E.g. the Samsung Galaxy S21 and the Huawei Mate 20 have both a 4000 mAh battery but Samsung's battery stores 4.6 V while Huawei only stores 4.2 V. This difference in the voltage results in 9.5% more electrical energy stored in Samsung's battery.
I understand the difference in frequencies, but this is the opposite of what you would expect if we have the assumption that 2.4GHz has more battery drain. The 2.4GHz model is a 480mAh battery and gets 15 hours of battery life, the 2.4GHz/BT model has 1000mAh and 22 hours of battery life despite having a battery that is over 2x in size. So it’s likely not the 2.4GHz connection that is affecting battery life, but other features in the BT controller like gyro.
PSA: The SN30 Pro controllers sometimes have issues with the d-pad. Plenty of posts in the 8BitDo forums. Basically, some controllers have a too sensitive d-pad in the diagonals and will sometimes trigger diagonal movement when you want to go straight. It's subtle when your controller is affected but depending on the game can lead to a frustrating game experience. If you care about d-pad quality you want to pay attention to this
This. I love the Snes pr er um SN30 pro for comfort...but having a character go careening to death or yeet himself off the map, while hilarius. is bad for netflix and chill with a good game. Also the fucking home button is in about the most braindead location known to man.
I still use my SN30 Pro+ SNES theme controller. It works with Switch, Android and PC. I am a fan of the parallel thumbsticks having used the PS3/PS4 much more than the XBOX over the past 15-20 yrs. The only negative is that it can't wake the Switch up from sleep.
My one "ultimate" controller is the 8bitdo pro 2. I simply love those. I have the Xbox one and the Bluetooth one. I also have the brook's adapter so I am able to use my Bluetooth pro 2 with my Xbox as well...besides that I bought a set of the Xbox layout buttons for it from 8bitdo and installed them since I use it for Xbox and pc more so than I do on switch. The cool thing about that controller is it was the Game Boy styled one, so it still has the Nintendo legend on the face of the controller if I need those.
wow, seriously this was a great video. i was super glad to see that you tested all the controllers on several different platforms and even had a chart afterwards for which one works on which! i personally got the green ultimate 2.4 g wireless controller so i could play at at my desk - the only solid controller i have is a nintendo switch pro controller and i felt it'd be better for one just for pc gaming use. awesome video, appreciate it so much 💚
I just received the 30 dollars' one. Since I only play game on a mini pc hooked up to the TV in the living room or on my android tablet (Samsung Tab S8). It's work just as intended. I chose this particular model because I had bad experiences on pc built-in bluetooth adapters (randomly disconnect with some of my bluetooth devices). Nice review by the way PS: They should have made an USB-C 2.4G dongle too for portable device since it has become a norm nowadays
TECHNICALLY controllers with a dongle could still be considered wired, since the controller connects to the dongle which connects through USB, and not to the proprietary receiver in the console itself. And it looks like 8bitdo see that loophole themselves, since they're making an Xbox licensed arcade stick with a wireless dongle (which I am sooo getting as soon as it releases).
I love 8bitdo controllers and can't stop collecting them lol. I have the sn30pro plus, the pro 2, the ultimate bluetooth, the ultimate 2.4g, and i just ordered a ultimate c wired since they have a deal on amazon where they are $12-13. Love all the controllers I've used so far and will continue to stay updated with their product lines
I'm still so mad that NONE of these "ultimate" controllers can use XInput over Bluetooth. The 8bitdo Pro 2 had a dedicated input selector for DirectInput, XInput, Switch, and even a MacOS mode - and you could use ANY of these input modes over Bluetooth OR pair the controller to a 2.4 GHz 8bitdo dongle! EDIT: I reinvestigated the options on my Pro 2 and realized that the DirectInput mode does *not* allow for both analog triggers and gyro input the way I thought - it seems to allow for the same input types as the Switch mode, with the only difference being that Steam recognizes the input mode as a "generic gamepad" rather than a Switch pro controller. My comment has been updated to reflect this - and the anger that there's still no XInput over bluetooth on the Ultimates. Curiously, the MacOS mode DOES expose both analog triggers and a gyro input to the host device, but the gyro does not actively output in this mode. There's also no custom control settings for the MacOS mode, which is why I've reduced my claim of twelve custom control layouts to nine. Continuing original comment: Not only did the Pro 2 mode selector selector specify the input features (XInput doesn't include gyro, Switch doesn't include analog triggers, -DirectInput includes all of it but is often a bigger hassle to get working- ) but it also allowed for -FOUR- THREE SETS of custom control profiles ( -twelve- nine in total!) that could often be used flexibly since, for example, Switch and DirectInput controllers are often compatible with the same devices (in fact, Switch input is just a more specific version of DirectInput, so having both options wasn't really necessary from the beginning - but that's not what I'm mad about). Now the near-top "Ultimate" controller has only XInput and DInput, and no Bluetooth at all - only a dedicated dongle. The top-end "Ultimate" controller lets you switch between Bluetooth and dongle, but guess what? That also switches the input type! With the dongle, it only allows XInput, so no gyro--and the Bluetooth only allows Switch input, so no analog triggers! The biggest casualty here seems to be remote streaming. I love to stream games from Steam to my phone or Nvidia Shield, and the Pro 2 was perfect for that - pair to Bluetooth and select XInput if I want analog triggers, or Switch if I want the gyro. But I don't have a wealth of USB ports on my phone, nor any at all on my Shield, so I can only pair this Ultimate controller in Bluetooth mode - which means no analog triggers on Shield or Android at all! If this has changed with some software update, please someone let me know, I would love to revisit this controller and fall in love with it. I want the Pro 2 features on an XBox-style stick layout, and it really had so much promise, it just fell victim to corporate greed artificially limiting features that worked perfectly well on a previous model.
I admit the title of this video was accidentally misleading. I thought it was going to be a breakdown of every 8bitdo controller, not a breakdown of every 8bitdo Ultimate controller. Other than that, thanks, because the video was helpful and interesting.
@RetroGameCorps apparently they changed it. The 2.4g version you like now has a Hall effects option. I doubt you’ll see this. But I’d love to hear your opinion.
So, I'm sending the Amazon link for that lovely pink controller to my husband as a Christmas gift idea for me. I use Batocera on an old Macbook, but I also do a lot of PC gaming and we have a Batocera/Raspberry Pi 4 setup in our living room. This controller matches all those requirements!
This video does a good job highlighting how confusing the 8bitdo Ultimate lineup is. For example, before watching this video, I thought all of these had hall effect analog sticks, when in reality only the Bluetooth one has it.
I like the new pastel colours, but I also like the fact that this controller is available in a wide range of different colours and that’s awesome. What I like to do is get different colours and associate them with the different brands of the consoles that I use them for get a green one for my Xbox. A red one for my Nintendo come on. I want to see a blue one for my PlayStation
Been using 8bitdo a lot, my current setup is Ultimate Wireless+Bluetooth for my PC and Switch, and 8bitdo arcade for Street Fighter 6 & fighting games. Good, consistent quality, and the most important of all with controllers, good durability! Other 3rd party controllers I used only lasted a year at most before they started to drift (Yes, it's both of you, Razer, Scuff...).
I ordered the black ultimate controller for my switch on Amazon 2 weeks ago and still haven’t received it. (Of course amazon promised 2 day shipping) I’d hold off buying one from amazon until they get their act together.
I’ve received my black Ultimate Bluetooth today. Bought it for my Switch, but mainly for my NVidia Shield TV. It immediately connected over Bluetooth, I could use it to control the Shield interface and play any emulators I’ve tried. Didn’t even need to update firmware. So I don’t know why most youtuber reviewers are saying that the ultimate Bluetooth doesn’t work on android devices…
Thank you for pointing out that the Ultimate does wake the Switch from sleep - this is a feature i've been wanting from 8BitDo controllers for years. I wish it was available on the SN30 pro, but i'll take it.
Yeah they should have made these controllers identical to the SN30 pro 2 controller just with the difference shape. Some people like me prefer the PlayStation layout and some people prefer the Xbox.
The repairability of these controllers are phenomenal. And case swaps, button swaps and joystick swaps are also super easy. I’ve got 2, the ultimate Bluetooth version and just the 2.4ghz (Genshin impact edition). I’ve swapped the case between the 2 and the buttons so that I get the he Xbox layout and Bluetooth with the hall effect sticks.
I love my 8bitdo Pro 2... it's probably the best controller I've ever used, and it's good on both Switch and Batocera. I love the back buttons, turbo, remapping profiles, wired/wireless modes, motion control, etc. But due to a thumb injury, I'd like one with the joystick and d-pad swapped. Also, I'd like a nice controller for player 2. So I'm thinking I might upgrade to that top-tier model, and use the Pro 2 for Player 2 instead.
It was sooo hard to decide which one to buy, so thank you for this! Just got the 2.4g one from Amazon on Prime Big Deal day here in Canada for $55 ($41 USD) 😀
I have the ultimate with hall effect sensors, I love it. Its the only controller I use on my pc anymore. I have an sn30 pro for switch. I've had a few 8bitdo controllers and have never had an issue with them
I have a 1st-gen Intel Compute Stick. My project is to turn it into a retro console with Batocera. For that purpose, and given how unreliable is the BT connection of the aforementioned device, the slimed-down 2.4 version would work the best.
I've had several of these. The SN30, SN30+, Pro 2 (maybe Pro 1 as well? hard to keep up with this company) and just last month I got the 2.4Ghz Ultimate for XBOX in black. The cradle is mainly why I got it... I was fine with the Pro 2, but that charging cradle is just too convenient (plus, no wear on a USB port.) Only gripe is that it has no replaceable battery like the others.
I would've loved the Hall sensors, but... yeah, I'm not gonna pay $70 for a controller that I use for PC in XBOX mode and have the buttons be mislabeled. I know it's a dumb nitpick but... anyway, while Hall sensors are undoubtedly a superior technology, it's not like I expect a gamepad to be something that lasts so long that I'm handing it down to my grandchildren or something. For me the 2.4Ghz-only XBOX one just made more sense.
One other note is that everyone says 2.4Ghz has less input lag than Bluetooth, but that Bluetooth is lower power so the battery lasts longer. Just additional info.
Also I won't lie... part of my consideration was the color. While I am a shut-in and I don't care what anyone ELSE thinks, there's just no way I wanna be looking at those goofy pale pastel colored controllers. 😂
to whom it may consern, there is now a hall effect version of the ultimate 2.5g and they have the standard A B X Y arrangement. so you dont have to wrap your head around the switch controls when using it on pc.
My favorite thing about my 8bitdo is switching between several profiles with a button press for different system emulation (Nintendo vs Genesis A B buttons are swapped). My least favorite is it connects as an Xbox controller so the normal profile has my buttons swapped compared to button prompts in games and menus.
As european, I really loved the 8bitdo SF30 Pro cloning the appearance of the japanese+eur snes controller. I really do not know why they stoped manufacturing them and now only the US model is available along a "not that similar" eur model that quite frankly the colors are very disappointing
I got the 2.4g with the dock and it's become my daily driver. And I don't know if you're aware, but they've added limited Bluetooth support with the 2.0 firmware. Yes, to the 2.4g version.
I have the black version of your favorite one as well with the dock! Loved everything about it until I realized it didn't have gyro :( got stuck on a level of BotW (emulated on PC) and had to plug in a DualShock 4, glad I kept one of those around... made me wonder why I had the 8BitDo in the first place... Also kinda dumb it didnt have Bluetooth .so no Android... but that's my fault for not checking properly. Old Dualshock4 kinda wins again? Most useful on Windows than anything for me anyway. Still love it for everything else! the dock is nice, the little charging white led strip on the bottom looks sick. very usable battery life, (ashamed that i played long enough once to deplete it). I imagine it's better latency than bluetooth? I get a lot of interference sometimes with 2.4Ghz and bluetooth devices having everything on my setup being wireless so having the wireless connection between the dock and the controller instead of in the back of my PC is probably a plus too? Never run into any trouble. So, I like it but I'm a bit annoyed that it isn't actually ''ultimate'' ... I need to keep a dualshock4 around... I should program some macros! forgot about that.
In regards to mode-switching for the Ultimate BT. It seems that feature is only available on the Receiver Firmware 1.02Beta1. I just tested it with my Controller using the latest firmware (v1.03) and it does indeed work, but is a little cumbersome. For instance it turned the controller off during the mode switch, so I had to press the Home button to re-connect it afterwards. Something to note is that because it is the Receiver that is changing the modes, this functionality is only available in 2.4ghz mode. A few months ago a reddit user got a response from 8BitDo support saying that the mode switch is still in beta, so it may come out officially in the future, but for now if you want the functionality you will need to use v1.02beta1 for your receiver. Unfortunately, downloading this beta firmware can also be difficult as old links seem to have expired, but you can find re-uploads and newer links on reddit. Alternatively you can try asking 8bitdo support directly.
I think that 8bitdo, during mass production, had a lot of surplus parts but not enough to completely manufacturer the most expensive Ultimate, so the cheaper variants like the C Wired and the C 2.4Ghz are a compromise of reusing existing parts. It's very unusual for controllers of high physical quality to be sold at $20, and because of this I don't expect these controllers to stay in manufacturing for much longer.
That doesn't really make sense. The PCBs inside are different, the housings are slightly different (no back paddle cutouts and no profile button/lights), and every visible component is molded in a different color plastic compared to the original models. The only parts that directly transfer are basic components like button membranes, trigger mechanisms, and the analog sticks. None of which really justify making a new product line to use up. What's more likely is that because 8bitdo already had the good R&D done and high quality molding completed on this core design, they were able to make a premium feeling controller for cheap by greatly simplifying the electronics as much as possible and removing extras like the Dock. You don't typically see controllers of high physical quality sold at $20, because the investment to make a high physical quality controller usually doesn't make sense for a $20 target price, but when you've already made that investment on a higher priced product, it becomes practical.
5 and 1/2 ft is very short That's like saying the GameCube controllers too long we need to make it shorter. Remember Nintendo had to increase the length of the gamecube controller cord from 6 feet to 9 feet.
I'm using the Ultimate Bluetooth wireless with my XSX, thanks to an adapter, and it works almost perfectly (the home button works a bit different). It is the Mayflash Magic-X, which works better than the Brook Wingman XB as the one from Brook has problems with analogue stick sensitivity.
I have the Ultimate Wireless ($70 one) and it’s the best controller I have right now, even better than the Elite 2. The stand out features are the dock, wonderful-feeling dpad, back buttons, and the ease of use to reprogram settings via the iOS app. I get the confusion calling it “Ultimate” if it can’t switch between XBox/Switch, but it’s “Ultimate” going between the Switch and PC.
Ultimate is the best one for me. Comes with dock+dongle for 2.4ghz for pc and Bluetooth for all other devices. Great battery life , very ergonomic comfortable and solid build quality with hall effect sticks
Bought the xbox wired one a few weeks ago. Really enjoying it for both retro and modern games. The added back buttons are kinda cool for a few games too.
When I need gyro on my PC the only alternative is the DS4 - works great with Steam Deck & I've previously gotten TF2 connected to control the cursor with the gyro much like splatoon. I played like that for like a week and then went back to normal but yeah the gyro works great and it still has analog triggers.
I wanted to love my Ultimate Wired Xbox controller, but the left stick wore out to a point where the deadzone had to be set to 78% to restore full range in-game in just over a month. Granted, I acknowledge that I do play a LOT more than average, being an anti-social hermit working from home, and mostly racing games, but come on! A month!?! Also, it wasn't the inside of the stick travel that wore out - it was the OUTSIDE! This is why my next Xbox controller purchase will be the GameSir G7 SE, but if 8BitDo puts the sticks from the Switch controller in the Xbox model, I would give it a shot, because stick wear aside, I LOVED how it felt...
If you have a modded Nintendo Switch, you can actually use the Ultimate C 2.4 Ghz with the Switch as well, making it a very good controller for the price. Unfortunatly, I was unable to get the Ultimate C Wired to work, as it appears to be defaulting to dinput, and showing up as a generic HID device.
Seems this was made before the Bluetooth C came out. Clearly the Ultimate family is doing well, judging by the continued options. The Bluetooth C has the problem of not having standard colors, though, coming in Blue, Orange and Pink, all pastels.
I purchased 2 of these when they first released a little while ago, and ended up returning both due to QA issues. Both units I received had mushy, sticking right bumper buttons and looking at some recent amazon reviews, this is still ongoing... it's a real shame as all other 8bitdo controllers I own are outstanding.
Great video, Russ! Would you be open to showing metric measurements alongside the imperial units when talking about things like cable length? I've noticed more and more American channels doing this and it's very helpful for us European folks.
Ended up with the wired ultimate. Originally I went with the 2 4ghz, but it turned out to only poll at 120-125hz. Pretty bad compared to 200hz on the BT and 250hz on the wired. I like the shorter cord on it. Wouldn't be surprised if this purple one is stuck at 60hz or something with that 10 hour longer battery life on the same size battery
I bought an 8bitdo ultimate bluetooth controller a year ago thinking it would be the end of my controller struggles, but I was so wrong. The ergonomics are laughably bad. The handles have such a narrow spread that they are basically parallel to each other. Compared to an Xbox One controller, which is closer to 45 degrees, the difference is enormous. Just to grip this controller, I have to keep my wrists angled up in an uncomfortable position. When I play with my 8bitdo controller for even a few minutes, it feels like I'm getting carpal tunnel. The triggers have too short of a radius and the bumpers are placed too far up so they are awkward to reach. I love the software and the back buttons, but this controller hurts to use and if that's true, then it doesn't really matter. If this controller had a wider spread angle for its handles and better triggers/bumpers, it would be the best controller of all time. Instead, it collects dust on my shelf.
Concept idea: Replace the left stick with the great 8bitDo M30 D-pad and add 2 extra buttons on the right side. This will make a awesome layout for classic games, retro fighting games and "x360 layout" friendly modern ones.
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Exactly - all it does is dilute the branding...which is why we live in the era of Ultra Max Black Walletfucker Pro.
This is the reason I love my ultimate controller. They took the best parts from Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft’s controllers and made one controller out of them. I’ve never used a better controller.
Same. It's legitimately better than the big name-brand controllers, and costs less. Their old controllers weren't great, but the 8bitdo Pro 2 and Ultimate are fantastic.
@@ToyKeeper it baffles me how none of the big three have hall effect on their controllers
Which version of ultimate controller do you have? There seems to be many.
@@Threewlz How does it baffle you? They obviously don't do it because they want to sell you more controllers
Couple notes/corrections.
1) The "Ultimate 2.4G" has officially iOS support over Bluetooth, while the "Ultimate Bluetooth" does not.
2) the "Ultimate 2.4G" also supports Switch if you press a certain button combo (it is explained in the FAQ for the controller on 8bitdo's site). No Gyro though.
3) the reason the "Ultimate Bluetooth" is flaky on Android is because it connects as a Switch controller, and not all versions of android nor most games support switch controllers.
4) The Ultimate Wired (non-xbox) supports the ultimate software, but only in X-input mode. You can't modify the Switch mode on it, make the paddles and profiles useless if you buy that controller for Switch. I feel like the Ultimate C doesn't support Switch solely because it would make the Ultimate Wired largely pointless.
I really wish they picked a better naming scheme, had a signular chart which clearly explained all the differences, and made a version of the Ultimate controller with the 8bitdo SN30 Pro 2's guts in it. Bluetooth feels like an afterthought in these controllers and currently you have to buy 2 different Ultimate controllers to get close to the Pro 2's compatibility.
Is the ultimate 2.4ghz one the pink one? If so then that one connects to just as much as the black $70 one for much cheaper. Only difference is hall sensor sticks and gyro.
I'd go for the pink one out of all these controllers.
@@Kirby5588 yes the pink one
As an additional correction, as I wish @Retro Game Corps mentioned this in the closing thoughts, be aware of what you need to play on.
The cheapest versions, the C Wired and C 2.4g only work on PC and mobile, NOT consoles.
The priced-around-$35 Wired Ultimates only work on their respective consoles (Switch or Xbox) and can work on PC, Steam Deck and mobile, YMMV. The Ultimate Software customization should be a starting point to test full compatibility with the PC, but for Linux OS's, either an update needs to be pushed (like from Valve on the Steam Deck, or a modification to the driver to allow the mid-tier Wired to be recognized like an Xbox controller.
And don't expect any of the other controllers that aren't officially licensed by Microsoft to work on Xbox without some help.
Thank you for sharing.
I was thinking recently should I use XInput mode or Android pairing mode for RetroArch in my old Shield TV 😂 I think I didn't bother with Switch mode for my android use case.
Wait, on your first point, how does the 2.4g version connect to IOS over Bluetooth? Isn't it supposed to NOT have bluetooth? Isn't that the whole point? I'm utterly confused.
I love 8bitdo and have nearly all of their controllers. They really revolutionized the 3rd party controller industry and brought us out of the dark ages of cheap poor quality knock offs. Although their Ultimate line up is confusing, I'm happy that they are finding a way to iterate their products in order to survive. I would prefer 8bitdo continues to thrive as a company long into the future. 8bitdo quality is unmatched!
hi can you reccomend me 8bitdo controller that are cheap and suitable for ios that also support gyro
@@akhakimin2408
Did you get a controller ?
I think the 8bitdo lite 2 is the cheapest fully functional controller that they do. Either that or spend some more on a pro 2.
@@akhakimin2408pro 2 is pretty solid
do you know if they connect to devices like the Miyoo mini plus or the Powkiddy RGB30
literally the video about 8bitdo ultimates that we need. You could've split this videos into a number of videos but you made it as a whole. Literally the "ultimate" comparison. I appreciate the effort man.
I use my 8bitdo Pro 2 all the time and love it. So versatile and works with almost every device I own
It's weird to see them use a name like "ultimate" to describe a range of controllers with different features across a price range of $20-70.
I have to thank you for this video, too. My wife got me the Ultimate Switch controller (the $70) and I had no clue the 2.4gHz dongle will work if it's plugged into the charging dock, that's plugged into your gaming device! That's just so cool!
Additionally the "Ultimate" controllers have less compatibility compared to most of their previous controllers. For example your Ultimate model can only act as a Switch controller over Bluetooth and Switch or Xinput over 2.4G.
@@OmairArif yeah, the Pro+ had the most compatibility I can put of them all, I think. The Ultimate line has a better controller feel for an analog stick in the “main” position though, and I love that the Switch Ultimate can actually wake up the console.
The 8bitdo Pro2 is maybe the best one for me, it goes from PC/Mac, to Android/iOS and Switch, work works with the 8Bitdo Ultimate software, you change mode with a switch on the back and cost only 50$.
Among all their line up, it's the one I use the most often for gaming on either my Switch in docked mode or my PC.
But does it have charging dock tho?
@@markangeloayaton4559No, it doesn't really need one to be honest, the dock is more of a convenience thing more than anything else. At least for me.
@@markangeloayaton4559I don't think so 😢
I just wish they'd _finally_ get to the point to release an ultimate version of the Ultimate controller, i.e. one that _actually_ is able to connect to everything. I don't mind (much) if ABXY are labelled the wrong way for my head, but it just _shouldn't_ be the case that something called "Ultimate" has you decide whether you want to use a controller on the Switch or the Xbox and depending on which you buy, you simply CANNOT use it on one of those devices. So either I demand an _actually_ ultimate controller, or they should add an asterisk to that name.
"The Ultimate Confusion Controllers by 8bitDo."
That's because Microsoft doesn't want any third party controllers to be wireless on xbox. Not really 8bitdo's fault.
@@Zanpaa So renaming, then. :)
Yeah
Actually you can use any controller on windows, even a switch pro or a weird android only controller. But you'll have to use a program called XOutput to emulate a full X-input. The real problem is using a X-input only controller on Nintendo Switch or android.
At $20, that wired budget one is an absolute bargain!
the purple one is 12 usd rn in amazon rn, a steal
@@AngeloT2001 Nice, here in the UK £16 (>$20) is the cheapest I can find, and that's from AliExpress and shipped from China.
This is incredible timing for me. My old controller finally bit the dust and I'm shopping for an 8bitdo replacement. The whole lineup was a little confusing. Your video was very helpful!
Which one did you end up buying?
If you like the SN30 Pro but wish it was more "Ultimate", you should check out the SN30 Pro 2. It's got the same mode-switch features and broad bluetooth support of the Pro 1, but it adds grips, analog triggers, and back buttons with support for remapping via the Ultimate software. I'm still tempted to get the Ultimate for the 2.4ghz and charging dock, but the pro 2 is great.
My favourite is still the SN30 Pro 2, but that purple one is beautiful. Also would love to see you testing other brands like the Kong controller
What I love about your videos is how well documented all the info is. How easy to understand the breakdown is when you talk about multiple topics/products in one video. Everyone else just love to just mash everything together and its just hard and confusing sometimes to know what they're talking about, especially with a product line as confusing as this.
Thank you for a great review! I've had drift issues with Nintendo's official Pro Controllers, so glad to hear we have some great alternatives. I actually use 8BitDo's SN30 Pro+ with my Switch for pretty much every Switch game (except Smash Bros) and love everything about it! I have a few 8BitDo controllers and am constantly impressed at the build quality and comfort.
the pro still is my favorite controller from 8bitdo. can connect to switch and pc, wirelessly, with both xinput and dinput support. also the external battery that allows you to swap in double a batteries so i can use my rechargeables. perfect controller, if they can make a controller with those features on the Ultimate series grip and layout that would probably be my new favorite. love the colors that aren't just black and white too, like the newer cheaper options and the transparent options for the pro 2 line.
I don't understand how this isn't already a thing, they've released 6 Ultimate controllers now and Bluetooth is an afterthought across the whole lineup (even the "Ultimate Bluetooth" can only act as a Switch Pro controller over Bluetooth, have to use 2.4G for x-input) and you have to buy 2 Ultimate models to come close to the compatibility of the Pro 2.
@@OmairArifyep when they first announced it in was very confused and now I'm just more confused.
Funnily enough one of the reasons I'm probably going to buy a Pro 2 is because it *doesn't* have the ultimate series/X box layout
Look at Russ who also proves his taste in music with this shirt, good guy russ
Yeah I've seen him wear this shirt before, he definitely likes good tunes
We like to say this every time Russ breaks out his mewithoutYou shirt.
I ended up ordering the Ultimate Bluetooth Controller along with replacement Xbox style buttons direct from 8bitdo. The replacement buttons were an extra $5. Once it arrived I swapped the buttons and got the best version of the controller with buttons that match my uses.
I love that they sell buttons with alternate layouts.
I came here to figure out which Ultimate 8BitDo controller would be best for my Odin 2… ended up getting the Pro 2 as it seems the most practical for me.
Thanks Russ!
Not me buying the one that dosent work with steam deck without knowing 💀
I bought the ultimate (Switch/White) and it's pretty cool. I've used it on Switch, PC and Steam Deck without any issues, the rumble and gyro are good specially for something like Mario Tennis Aces. My only problem is that I wish they had more color options for that one! those green controllers look sick.
Still some of the best 3rd party controllers. Though I'm a bit disappointed that they removed the rechargeable battery pack of the previous generations. The idea of having one battery compartment that takes both the pack and noch rechargeable batteries was brilliant.
The SN30 Pro BT is my favourite. I love the D-Pad on it, and how it's in the most prominent position. I also love how I can have it remember 4 pairings at once (as long as they're different methods). I have it paired with my Steam Deck (B), Switch (Y), Analogue Pocket (X), and my Macbook (A). It'll connect to whichever device I choose when I power it on.
I love the shape and the layout, but the d-pad is just too hard to press for me. It feels tiring to use.
Honestly my favorite is still the King Kong 2/Zen Pro controller.
The sticks of course are amazing, syncing is easy, lets me swtich between pc and switch with just a button press, has amiibo support.
The difference in battery life is obviously because one uses Bluetooth Low Energy and the other uses 2.4 GHz. 2.4 GHz is far beyond the frequencies used by Bluetooth. This allows lower latency, higher transfer speed and higher pulling rate. Two of these three advantages are important for the controller. The downside is of course the higher energy consumption. The frequency of electromagnetic waves is proportional to its energy. To achieve a higher frequency you need more energy. This is basic knowledge of wave optics and, at least in Germany, is part of physics lessons in school at the latest in high school.
Also, Ah is the unscientific unit of capacity. It doesn't say much about how much electric energy can actually be stored inside of a battery rather than it counts the mass of electrons that can be stored. The correct unit for the electrical storage capacity is Watt-hour (Wh). The Watt-hour of a battery is equal to its Ampere-hour multiplied by its voltage. So, double capacity doesn't mean that the battery can store double the energy and has double the battery life, if the voltage of this battery is lower. E.g. the Samsung Galaxy S21 and the Huawei Mate 20 have both a 4000 mAh battery but Samsung's battery stores 4.6 V while Huawei only stores 4.2 V. This difference in the voltage results in 9.5% more electrical energy stored in Samsung's battery.
I understand the difference in frequencies, but this is the opposite of what you would expect if we have the assumption that 2.4GHz has more battery drain. The 2.4GHz model is a 480mAh battery and gets 15 hours of battery life, the 2.4GHz/BT model has 1000mAh and 22 hours of battery life despite having a battery that is over 2x in size. So it’s likely not the 2.4GHz connection that is affecting battery life, but other features in the BT controller like gyro.
Y'all germans built different when it comes to stuff you learn in high school
PSA: The SN30 Pro controllers sometimes have issues with the d-pad. Plenty of posts in the 8BitDo forums. Basically, some controllers have a too sensitive d-pad in the diagonals and will sometimes trigger diagonal movement when you want to go straight. It's subtle when your controller is affected but depending on the game can lead to a frustrating game experience. If you care about d-pad quality you want to pay attention to this
This. I love the Snes pr er um SN30 pro for comfort...but having a character go careening to death or yeet himself off the map, while hilarius. is bad for netflix and chill with a good game. Also the fucking home button is in about the most braindead location known to man.
Huh, good to know that I'm not the only one with this D-Pad issue, though I'm using a wired Ultimate.
I still use my SN30 Pro+ SNES theme controller. It works with Switch, Android and PC. I am a fan of the parallel thumbsticks having used the PS3/PS4 much more than the XBOX over the past 15-20 yrs. The only negative is that it can't wake the Switch up from sleep.
My one "ultimate" controller is the 8bitdo pro 2. I simply love those. I have the Xbox one and the Bluetooth one. I also have the brook's adapter so I am able to use my Bluetooth pro 2 with my Xbox as well...besides that I bought a set of the Xbox layout buttons for it from 8bitdo and installed them since I use it for Xbox and pc more so than I do on switch. The cool thing about that controller is it was the Game Boy styled one, so it still has the Nintendo legend on the face of the controller if I need those.
Recently got the Ultimate 2.4G Wireless Controller with the charging dock, and I love it so far.
can you tell me how similar is the stick tension compaired to a series s controller?
wow, seriously this was a great video. i was super glad to see that you tested all the controllers on several different platforms and even had a chart afterwards for which one works on which! i personally got the green ultimate 2.4 g wireless controller so i could play at at my desk - the only solid controller i have is a nintendo switch pro controller and i felt it'd be better for one just for pc gaming use. awesome video, appreciate it so much 💚
I just received the 30 dollars' one. Since I only play game on a mini pc hooked up to the TV in the living room or on my android tablet (Samsung Tab S8). It's work just as intended. I chose this particular model because I had bad experiences on pc built-in bluetooth adapters (randomly disconnect with some of my bluetooth devices). Nice review by the way
PS: They should have made an USB-C 2.4G dongle too for portable device since it has become a norm nowadays
I wish 8bitdo made an ultimate controller for Xbox but wireless, with the hall effect sticks
Microsoft doesn't like third party wireless controllers unfortunately.
@@Zanpaa I know I know
TECHNICALLY controllers with a dongle could still be considered wired, since the controller connects to the dongle which connects through USB, and not to the proprietary receiver in the console itself. And it looks like 8bitdo see that loophole themselves, since they're making an Xbox licensed arcade stick with a wireless dongle (which I am sooo getting as soon as it releases).
@@AmartharDrakestone well then if that's the case i might just buy that
@@AmartharDrakestone that makes no sense at all
I love 8bitdo controllers and can't stop collecting them lol. I have the sn30pro plus, the pro 2, the ultimate bluetooth, the ultimate 2.4g, and i just ordered a ultimate c wired since they have a deal on amazon where they are $12-13. Love all the controllers I've used so far and will continue to stay updated with their product lines
I'm still so mad that NONE of these "ultimate" controllers can use XInput over Bluetooth. The 8bitdo Pro 2 had a dedicated input selector for DirectInput, XInput, Switch, and even a MacOS mode - and you could use ANY of these input modes over Bluetooth OR pair the controller to a 2.4 GHz 8bitdo dongle!
EDIT: I reinvestigated the options on my Pro 2 and realized that the DirectInput mode does *not* allow for both analog triggers and gyro input the way I thought - it seems to allow for the same input types as the Switch mode, with the only difference being that Steam recognizes the input mode as a "generic gamepad" rather than a Switch pro controller. My comment has been updated to reflect this - and the anger that there's still no XInput over bluetooth on the Ultimates. Curiously, the MacOS mode DOES expose both analog triggers and a gyro input to the host device, but the gyro does not actively output in this mode. There's also no custom control settings for the MacOS mode, which is why I've reduced my claim of twelve custom control layouts to nine.
Continuing original comment: Not only did the Pro 2 mode selector selector specify the input features (XInput doesn't include gyro, Switch doesn't include analog triggers, -DirectInput includes all of it but is often a bigger hassle to get working- ) but it also allowed for -FOUR- THREE SETS of custom control profiles ( -twelve- nine in total!) that could often be used flexibly since, for example, Switch and DirectInput controllers are often compatible with the same devices (in fact, Switch input is just a more specific version of DirectInput, so having both options wasn't really necessary from the beginning - but that's not what I'm mad about).
Now the near-top "Ultimate" controller has only XInput and DInput, and no Bluetooth at all - only a dedicated dongle. The top-end "Ultimate" controller lets you switch between Bluetooth and dongle, but guess what? That also switches the input type! With the dongle, it only allows XInput, so no gyro--and the Bluetooth only allows Switch input, so no analog triggers!
The biggest casualty here seems to be remote streaming. I love to stream games from Steam to my phone or Nvidia Shield, and the Pro 2 was perfect for that - pair to Bluetooth and select XInput if I want analog triggers, or Switch if I want the gyro. But I don't have a wealth of USB ports on my phone, nor any at all on my Shield, so I can only pair this Ultimate controller in Bluetooth mode - which means no analog triggers on Shield or Android at all!
If this has changed with some software update, please someone let me know, I would love to revisit this controller and fall in love with it. I want the Pro 2 features on an XBox-style stick layout, and it really had so much promise, it just fell victim to corporate greed artificially limiting features that worked perfectly well on a previous model.
I admit the title of this video was accidentally misleading.
I thought it was going to be a breakdown of every 8bitdo controller, not a breakdown of every 8bitdo Ultimate controller.
Other than that, thanks, because the video was helpful and interesting.
I actually expected exactly what the video was about. They've got lots of Ultimate controllers.
I know this video is nearly a year old now, but I can't not call out the MewithoutYou top! Fantastic band, fantastic taste in music!
@RetroGameCorps apparently they changed it. The 2.4g version you like now has a Hall effects option. I doubt you’ll see this. But I’d love to hear your opinion.
Any controller that connects to your phone can control the xbox if you use remote play as a go between. You can still just look at the tv
I just picked up a Victrix Pro BFG myself. Fighting games have never felt better (outside of a proper arcade stick) in case you're curious!
Love the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny reference :)
So, I'm sending the Amazon link for that lovely pink controller to my husband as a Christmas gift idea for me. I use Batocera on an old Macbook, but I also do a lot of PC gaming and we have a Batocera/Raspberry Pi 4 setup in our living room. This controller matches all those requirements!
This video does a good job highlighting how confusing the 8bitdo Ultimate lineup is. For example, before watching this video, I thought all of these had hall effect analog sticks, when in reality only the Bluetooth one has it.
"mewithout8BitDo" - my favorite band!
Impressive!
You could buy an USB extender cable; Male USB to plug into the Switch Dock and the female USB for the wired controller!
I like the new pastel colours, but I also like the fact that this controller is available in a wide range of different colours and that’s awesome. What I like to do is get different colours and associate them with the different brands of the consoles that I use them for get a green one for my Xbox. A red one for my Nintendo come on. I want to see a blue one for my PlayStation
Been using 8bitdo a lot, my current setup is Ultimate Wireless+Bluetooth for my PC and Switch, and 8bitdo arcade for Street Fighter 6 & fighting games. Good, consistent quality, and the most important of all with controllers, good durability! Other 3rd party controllers I used only lasted a year at most before they started to drift (Yes, it's both of you, Razer, Scuff...).
I ordered the black ultimate controller for my switch on Amazon 2 weeks ago and still haven’t received it. (Of course amazon promised 2 day shipping)
I’d hold off buying one from amazon until they get their act together.
I’ve received my black Ultimate Bluetooth today. Bought it for my Switch, but mainly for my NVidia Shield TV. It immediately connected over Bluetooth, I could use it to control the Shield interface and play any emulators I’ve tried. Didn’t even need to update firmware. So I don’t know why most youtuber reviewers are saying that the ultimate Bluetooth doesn’t work on android devices…
Thank you for pointing out that the Ultimate does wake the Switch from sleep - this is a feature i've been wanting from 8BitDo controllers for years. I wish it was available on the SN30 pro, but i'll take it.
I'm waiting for 8bitdo's new arcade fight stick to come out late this month. It'll be my first product I own from this company.
🎵 This is the ultimate showdown of ultimate 8bitdo pads 🎶
Was shopping for a PC controller and remembered this video. Ended up buying one of them. The Ultimate C.
i miss the pro 2 controller :/ still one of my favorite right behind the sn30 pro
I really wish one of them still had the xinput, dinput, and Switch mode options. Because of that functionality, the Sn30+ pro is still my favorite.
Yeah they should have made these controllers identical to the SN30 pro 2 controller just with the difference shape. Some people like me prefer the PlayStation layout and some people prefer the Xbox.
The repairability of these controllers are phenomenal. And case swaps, button swaps and joystick swaps are also super easy.
I’ve got 2, the ultimate Bluetooth version and just the 2.4ghz (Genshin impact edition). I’ve swapped the case between the 2 and the buttons so that I get the he Xbox layout and Bluetooth with the hall effect sticks.
I love my 8bitdo Pro 2... it's probably the best controller I've ever used, and it's good on both Switch and Batocera. I love the back buttons, turbo, remapping profiles, wired/wireless modes, motion control, etc. But due to a thumb injury, I'd like one with the joystick and d-pad swapped. Also, I'd like a nice controller for player 2. So I'm thinking I might upgrade to that top-tier model, and use the Pro 2 for Player 2 instead.
Dude. I LOVE YOUR SHIRT . Did not expect that ❤
Have had the Ultimate BT+2.4Ghz since it's release and love it.
It was sooo hard to decide which one to buy, so thank you for this! Just got the 2.4g one from Amazon on Prime Big Deal day here in Canada for $55 ($41 USD) 😀
Bought the SN30 fot my Deck. Its so awesome. And fits in the JSeaux case perfectly.
I have the ultimate with hall effect sensors, I love it. Its the only controller I use on my pc anymore. I have an sn30 pro for switch. I've had a few 8bitdo controllers and have never had an issue with them
Glad you did this. I'm really curious about these
I have a 1st-gen Intel Compute Stick. My project is to turn it into a retro console with Batocera. For that purpose, and given how unreliable is the BT connection of the aforementioned device, the slimed-down 2.4 version would work the best.
I've had several of these. The SN30, SN30+, Pro 2 (maybe Pro 1 as well? hard to keep up with this company) and just last month I got the 2.4Ghz Ultimate for XBOX in black. The cradle is mainly why I got it... I was fine with the Pro 2, but that charging cradle is just too convenient (plus, no wear on a USB port.) Only gripe is that it has no replaceable battery like the others.
I would've loved the Hall sensors, but... yeah, I'm not gonna pay $70 for a controller that I use for PC in XBOX mode and have the buttons be mislabeled. I know it's a dumb nitpick but... anyway, while Hall sensors are undoubtedly a superior technology, it's not like I expect a gamepad to be something that lasts so long that I'm handing it down to my grandchildren or something. For me the 2.4Ghz-only XBOX one just made more sense.
One other note is that everyone says 2.4Ghz has less input lag than Bluetooth, but that Bluetooth is lower power so the battery lasts longer. Just additional info.
Also I won't lie... part of my consideration was the color. While I am a shut-in and I don't care what anyone ELSE thinks, there's just no way I wanna be looking at those goofy pale pastel colored controllers. 😂
to whom it may consern, there is now a hall effect version of the ultimate 2.5g and they have the standard A B X Y arrangement. so you dont have to wrap your head around the switch controls when using it on pc.
and just like that, one t-shirt tells me so much more about Russ than just he enjoys retro gaming
I have the 8bitdo ultimate C bluetoth controller for switch. It costs 30 bucks and it has a great gyro.
My favorite thing about my 8bitdo is switching between several profiles with a button press for different system emulation (Nintendo vs Genesis A B buttons are swapped). My least favorite is it connects as an Xbox controller so the normal profile has my buttons swapped compared to button prompts in games and menus.
As european, I really loved the 8bitdo SF30 Pro cloning the appearance of the japanese+eur snes controller. I really do not know why they stoped manufacturing them and now only the US model is available along a "not that similar" eur model that quite frankly the colors are very disappointing
I got the 2.4g with the dock and it's become my daily driver.
And I don't know if you're aware, but they've added limited Bluetooth support with the 2.0 firmware. Yes, to the 2.4g version.
I have the black version of your favorite one as well with the dock!
Loved everything about it until I realized it didn't have gyro :( got stuck on a level of BotW (emulated on PC) and had to plug in a DualShock 4, glad I kept one of those around... made me wonder why I had the 8BitDo in the first place...
Also kinda dumb it didnt have Bluetooth .so no Android... but that's my fault for not checking properly. Old Dualshock4 kinda wins again? Most useful on Windows than anything for me anyway.
Still love it for everything else! the dock is nice, the little charging white led strip on the bottom looks sick. very usable battery life, (ashamed that i played long enough once to deplete it). I imagine it's better latency than bluetooth?
I get a lot of interference sometimes with 2.4Ghz and bluetooth devices having everything on my setup being wireless so having the wireless connection between the dock and the controller instead of in the back of my PC is probably a plus too? Never run into any trouble.
So, I like it but I'm a bit annoyed that it isn't actually ''ultimate'' ... I need to keep a dualshock4 around...
I should program some macros! forgot about that.
In regards to mode-switching for the Ultimate BT. It seems that feature is only available on the Receiver Firmware 1.02Beta1. I just tested it with my Controller using the latest firmware (v1.03) and it does indeed work, but is a little cumbersome. For instance it turned the controller off during the mode switch, so I had to press the Home button to re-connect it afterwards. Something to note is that because it is the Receiver that is changing the modes, this functionality is only available in 2.4ghz mode.
A few months ago a reddit user got a response from 8BitDo support saying that the mode switch is still in beta, so it may come out officially in the future, but for now if you want the functionality you will need to use v1.02beta1 for your receiver. Unfortunately, downloading this beta firmware can also be difficult as old links seem to have expired, but you can find re-uploads and newer links on reddit. Alternatively you can try asking 8bitdo support directly.
I think that 8bitdo, during mass production, had a lot of surplus parts but not enough to completely manufacturer the most expensive Ultimate, so the cheaper variants like the C Wired and the C 2.4Ghz are a compromise of reusing existing parts. It's very unusual for controllers of high physical quality to be sold at $20, and because of this I don't expect these controllers to stay in manufacturing for much longer.
That doesn't really make sense. The PCBs inside are different, the housings are slightly different (no back paddle cutouts and no profile button/lights), and every visible component is molded in a different color plastic compared to the original models. The only parts that directly transfer are basic components like button membranes, trigger mechanisms, and the analog sticks. None of which really justify making a new product line to use up.
What's more likely is that because 8bitdo already had the good R&D done and high quality molding completed on this core design, they were able to make a premium feeling controller for cheap by greatly simplifying the electronics as much as possible and removing extras like the Dock.
You don't typically see controllers of high physical quality sold at $20, because the investment to make a high physical quality controller usually doesn't make sense for a $20 target price, but when you've already made that investment on a higher priced product, it becomes practical.
5 and 1/2 ft is very short That's like saying the GameCube controllers too long we need to make it shorter. Remember Nintendo had to increase the length of the gamecube controller cord from 6 feet to 9 feet.
I'm using the Ultimate Bluetooth wireless with my XSX, thanks to an adapter, and it works almost perfectly (the home button works a bit different). It is the Mayflash Magic-X, which works better than the Brook Wingman XB as the one from Brook has problems with analogue stick sensitivity.
Retro Game Corps is like the only channel I like before I even watch the video. I might as well get it over with because I know I'm gonna
You can now get the 2.4G wireless with dock and hall effect sticks for the same $50 price tag. W
The ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny. Good guys, bad guys, and explosions as far as the eye can see.
it should be noted that : *ULTIMATE* uses apls while others use hall effect, so you'll develope drift probably on the 2.4g ultimate
Love the mewithoutyou shirt. I hung out with them after a show in 2007 in Little Rock. Amazing guys.
I have the Ultimate Wireless ($70 one) and it’s the best controller I have right now, even better than the Elite 2.
The stand out features are the dock, wonderful-feeling dpad, back buttons, and the ease of use to reprogram settings via the iOS app. I get the confusion calling it “Ultimate” if it can’t switch between XBox/Switch, but it’s “Ultimate” going between the Switch and PC.
Reppin' the greatest band of all time. Respect!
Ultimate is the best one for me. Comes with dock+dongle for 2.4ghz for pc and Bluetooth for all other devices. Great battery life , very ergonomic comfortable and solid build quality with hall effect sticks
Thanks for covering every little details. Really grateful.
Bought the xbox wired one a few weeks ago. Really enjoying it for both retro and modern games. The added back buttons are kinda cool for a few games too.
When I need gyro on my PC the only alternative is the DS4 - works great with Steam Deck & I've previously gotten TF2 connected to control the cursor with the gyro much like splatoon. I played like that for like a week and then went back to normal but yeah the gyro works great and it still has analog triggers.
I have had black SN30 Pro+ for over 2 years now and it has beenmy default choice for PSX and other retro games
I wanted to love my Ultimate Wired Xbox controller, but the left stick wore out to a point where the deadzone had to be set to 78% to restore full range in-game in just over a month. Granted, I acknowledge that I do play a LOT more than average, being an anti-social hermit working from home, and mostly racing games, but come on! A month!?! Also, it wasn't the inside of the stick travel that wore out - it was the OUTSIDE! This is why my next Xbox controller purchase will be the GameSir G7 SE, but if 8BitDo puts the sticks from the Switch controller in the Xbox model, I would give it a shot, because stick wear aside, I LOVED how it felt...
If you have a modded Nintendo Switch, you can actually use the Ultimate C 2.4 Ghz with the Switch as well, making it a very good controller for the price. Unfortunatly, I was unable to get the Ultimate C Wired to work, as it appears to be defaulting to dinput, and showing up as a generic HID device.
Look at that pillow! You are just so aesthetic.
A very nice and comprehensive review and test. Thanks! I do love my 8bitdo controllers. :)
Seems this was made before the Bluetooth C came out. Clearly the Ultimate family is doing well, judging by the continued options. The Bluetooth C has the problem of not having standard colors, though, coming in Blue, Orange and Pink, all pastels.
I purchased 2 of these when they first released a little while ago, and ended up returning both due to QA issues. Both units I received had mushy, sticking right bumper buttons and looking at some recent amazon reviews, this is still ongoing... it's a real shame as all other 8bitdo controllers I own are outstanding.
Love the new pastel colors. I'm thinking of getting both pastel colors for my living room
Great video, Russ! Would you be open to showing metric measurements alongside the imperial units when talking about things like cable length? I've noticed more and more American channels doing this and it's very helpful for us European folks.
Just do the conversion in your head. 3 feet is about 1 metre.
It's a good skill to develop.
I bought Ultimate C 2.4G . Thank you for video .
Ended up with the wired ultimate. Originally I went with the 2 4ghz, but it turned out to only poll at 120-125hz. Pretty bad compared to 200hz on the BT and 250hz on the wired. I like the shorter cord on it. Wouldn't be surprised if this purple one is stuck at 60hz or something with that 10 hour longer battery life on the same size battery
I bought an 8bitdo ultimate bluetooth controller a year ago thinking it would be the end of my controller struggles, but I was so wrong. The ergonomics are laughably bad.
The handles have such a narrow spread that they are basically parallel to each other. Compared to an Xbox One controller, which is closer to 45 degrees, the difference is enormous. Just to grip this controller, I have to keep my wrists angled up in an uncomfortable position. When I play with my 8bitdo controller for even a few minutes, it feels like I'm getting carpal tunnel. The triggers have too short of a radius and the bumpers are placed too far up so they are awkward to reach. I love the software and the back buttons, but this controller hurts to use and if that's true, then it doesn't really matter. If this controller had a wider spread angle for its handles and better triggers/bumpers, it would be the best controller of all time. Instead, it collects dust on my shelf.
The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Controllers
You're the best, Russ.
Concept idea:
Replace the left stick with the great 8bitDo M30 D-pad and add 2 extra buttons on the right side.
This will make a awesome layout for classic games, retro fighting games and "x360 layout" friendly modern ones.