Update: reverting to the GameSir v4200 firmware fixed the Switch Pro controller bug I mentioned in the video. Downgrading is simple, just pair the controller with your Android/iPhone with the GameSir app (available on each phone's respective app store) and then choose Update Firmware > Other Firmware > v4200 and follow the prompts. Hopefully GameSir makes a firmware fix in the future, and I'll be sure to update this comment when they do!
How would you say the blutooth connection (game sir nova lite) is for wireless with the dongle, ppl say its bad, do you have any other options? @RetroGameCorps
The 4200 so far is the best firmware. Though 1 minor issue in my end, android mode won't connect to older android 10 device. Xbox mode works on android 10 though, so problem solved.
In Times, where every household should have at least some PS Controller or Xbox Controller laying around. The Controller Market is kinda over, so thats why it´s very important that a Controller is able to update, which is a huge win for the GameSir v4200. I hope we´ll see this kind of service for a long time.
I just got it today. It was 15,08 on bangood with allowance. For its money its very good. I upgraded with latest fitmware 6900 and with 4200 and its working fine. I think that for this price range gamesir is a bit better..
Were you able to test connecting the gamesir to the steam deck over bluetooth? I have tried both the Android/DS4 modes (A/B) and encountered the same issue. I put the steam deck to sleep, and then the controller never pairs after waking. It slowly blinks. Oddly enough the gamesir controller appears in the bluetooth menu on the steam deck, but no input is ever registered. I have tried firmware 6900 and 4200. I wanted to utilize the bluetooth connection to avoid using the adapter when I play on the go. If I can't work out how to use this, I will need to return. Same situation with the adapter as my xbox 360 controller.
@bdyussenov477 the mobile chips vs the desktop chips, naming a underpowereed gpu with more ram the same as another gpu with more power and less ram, rtx 3050. The mobile version of gpu is always less powerful.
@@zombiemincaftr They don't sell mobile CPU and GPU separately to make it confusing, so when purchasing a mobile PC customer should be aware what exactly they are buying and what performance they can expect for it's money. Tho it would be useful to have universal naming like RTX 3050 and RTX 3050M
@@J0rdan912 They should not be called the same thing because they aren't the same thing, the only one I know that performs the same as the desktop version is the rtx 4060 mobile which is the one I have
For Gamesir Nova Lite; * Choose FW4200 if you want to connect as Bluetooth Xinput (Xbox Controller) via HOME+B buttons. * Choose FW5700 and newer if you want to connect as Bluetooth DS4 (DualShock4 Controller) via HOME+B buttons. * Check your default firmware which your controller came with. It's important because it determines your 2.4GHz dongle (receiver) firmware. FW 4200: - Home + B: BT XInput, seems as "XBox controller" - Home + A: BT Android (HID) - Home + X: Dongle XInput/Switch Pro/Android (Hold the View+Menu (Select+Start) buttons for 2s to hot swap between modes!) - Home + Y: BT Switch Pro FW 5700 (and FW6900?): - Home + B: BT DS4, seems as "Dualshock 4 controller" - Home + A: BT Android (HID) - Home + X: Dongle XInput/Switch Pro/Android (Caution: If you upgrade an old default firmware to FW5700 and up, this will only work as Switch Pro, because the old dongle firmware is not compatible with newer controller firmwares!) - Home + Y: BT Switch Pro If one connect as Bluetooth DS4 (Led: Blue) via Home+B combination, then the controller most likely came directly with 5700 firmware (or maybe with FW6900 with newer batches.) While there was the option to connect with Bluetooth Xinput in FW4200, this option was replaced by BT Dualshock4 in FW5700 (I think in order to increase compatibility with IOS and older games.) In fact, if we consider that the Dongle Xinput mode still works on the 5700, we can say that overall compatibility has increased and there has been an improvement. But of course, the practicality of connecting with BT Xinput has also been eliminated unfortunately. There is also another issue with the 5700: If the controller came with 4000, 4200, 4800 firmware and you upgrade it to 5700 (and 6900?) via Gamesir app, the dongle (receiver) no longer works properly as before. People complain that they can't connect as Xinput with the dongle anymore, but can only connect as Switch Pro. ( just like @RetroGameCorps ) The reason for this is that the dongle firmware of the controllers that came with old firmwares is not compatible with the 5700. If you have upgraded the controller to 5700 and are happy with it, but want the dongle to work as before, you need to update the firmware of the dongle as well. Gamesir has not released an official fw for this yet, but upon a user's request, they sent the dongle firmware for the 5700 by e-mail, and it is said to work. It can be downloaded from the web and applied on PC. Google with the "T4NL dongle upgrade.zip" and you can access the file which also contains visuals and video on how to do the process. (I did NOT try it myself yet!) However, it should be noted that this process is currently irreversible! Because we do not have the old dongle firmware file and as can be seen in the FW upgrade image, we do not have the opportunity to dump and save the old one from the software. Therefore, we still need to contact Gamesir and wait for them to publish or send it. (In other words, if you switch from 5700 to 4200, the dongle will not work properly. Although the connection is possible as BT Xinput, Dongle Xinput mode will not work!) My device came with 4800 fw. It was not connecting with Home+B neither as BT Xinput nor as BT DS4. The LED was constantly flashing Yellow and forcing pairing (Home + Screenshot) did not work either. Anyway, when you try to update with Gamesir app, 4800 is not among your options. This is an indication and proof that 4800 fw has a major problem, they sent it like that at first place. So I was going to either decrease it to 4200 which is generally satisfactory or increase it to 5700. Since the option to connect as BT DS4 would not be very useful for me and I did not want to deal with dongle update, I decreased FW to 4200. Thus, Home+B BT Xinput mode also works and dongle/cable options are as problem-free as before. Gamesir should release a firmware which adds an extra pairing option (with Home+View or Home+Menu ie.) to connect as BT Xinput and BT DS4 both. That would surely be awesome! Finally, it should be added that the FW update is risky and some Nova Lite users bricked their devices while doing the process. The devices were no longer opening at all and there was no sign of life. I only saw a Reddit user write that he brought the device back to life by plugging it in after days passed. After the battery was completely dead, the settings were reset and the device opened with the old FW, i guess. However, it should be added that some similar users tried by removing the battery and putting it back in, but could not fix it. So be careful while tinkering. (I had no problems updating from 4800 to 4200 with the Gamesir App: v5.2.10 from github.) I very like the vast variety of connection options that Nova Lite serves. But i didn't like the Dpad, because it has a huge false diagonals problem. I will open the device and glue some thin tape over the center pivot soon, hope to get the Dpad work more precisely. (Don't tape partly over the 4 direction connection pads, or the overall responsiveness will decrease!)
this comment needs pinned for folk buying the controller for PC use becuase why would anyone want DS4 emulation on a PC when the XBOX Xinput is native to Windows. I downgraded to 4200 firmware and it works exactly like the official xbox controller on PC. Loving it!
do the triggers work as analog when using bluetooth to pc? I've heard mixed reports. Someone said they only work as 2 stage with bluetooth and need the cable on pc for them to be analog.
I'd like to share that the 8bitdo Ultimate 2.4 controller had a consistent issue where both of the triggers slowly lose functionality due to faulty parts. 8bitdo WILL fix it, but if it happens outside of your Amazon return period they'll make you pay for shipping and handling rather than sending you parts or sending a replacement. Love the controller, but after 7 months both my triggers are at half functionality, and thats super disappointing. Found several other people online who have stories like mine, so I don't believe it's a one off fluke. For those who are interested, the triggers have a sharp (acute) piece that connects with the sensor, so over time the piece depresses the sensor deeper and deeper, so without replacing that sharp internal piece (which is just the back side of the trigger), you'll probably inevitably lose trigger functionality regardless of how gentle you are.
i just picked up that one... its decent, but coming from the xbox s controllers i found the triggers to be weirdly springy. also, i think my hands are too big for it cuz the grip buttons are in the WORST spot. i will keep an eye out for the trigger durability. thank you for the testimony!!
@@bigrob029 Just tried the 8bit and an Xbox s controller triggers and the 8bit is slightly more resistant to a pull. Only slightly though. As for the grip buttons, middle fingers worked for me, using them, although I haven't actually found a game where they work (PC).
This has started to become an issue on my Ultimate 2.4G controller. It only register around 70% when the triggers is fully pressed down. This caused issues when playing certain games like GTA or RDR2 where certain weapons wouldn't work and on Forza where I'm not using the full potential of my car's top speed. I've owned it for nearly 3 months now and this is also the updated hall-effect stick model. The trigger might now be the biggest weak point of the controller and will look elsewhere now for possible replacement later on.
Their dpads have never been consistent from day 1. I have their older snes style sn30 pro pads that looked more like Nintendo replicas before they modified the aesthetics, and they were just as inconsistent as the ones in this vid. It varies a lot between models. 8bitdo is just popular and they make a nice variety. They are better than retrobit at least.
3 years ago I bought a GameSir controller and was disappointed, but I liked the 8bitdo controller I bought around the same time. Sounds like things have reversed now.
@@av_oid same i bought the 8bitdo ultimate c wired controller for xbox the directional buttons looks sick when i click it it feels like it has mouse clicks or something but tbf i bought terrible controllers before and 8bitdo is kinda my first premium controller
I truly believe you are the only creator that can make 37 minute video about controllers, and make it entertaining the entire time. Thanks for the quality input.
I recently set up a mini PC in the living room for the family and I to play games on. I needed at least one more controller and I wanted something budget. I checked all of your videos, but I still wasn’t sure. I checked some other content on TH-cam and decided to try the Gamesir Nova Lite. I’ve had it for a week. And I couldn’t believe you had not reviewed this controller yet. I actually prefer the sticks over the 8bitdo. Crazy timing on you releasing this video now. Thank you so much for everything you do.
@@buckysrevenge I’ve only had it for a week and only used it with the 2.4ghz dongle. Works perfectly for me. I have not attempted to update the firmware though.
I have to disagree with your conclusion from the Contra test for the 2C. If you see your fingers, they're not just wiggling slightly left and right, they are just actually pressing where you would when you want a diagonal, giving you the diagonal. Your 3S test tells a lot more about the accuracy of the dpad too. The most important thing being that you didn't get a single errant diagonal jump input, which can be the bane of many fighting game players. For something that feels like a Vita dpad with the covering of a SNES, it actually does seem to be giving you the exact same kinds of results that I get from my Vita. I'd suggest using Fightcade and the training lua for the 3S test in the future, especially as it's very helpful for figuring out how the game is actually registering the controller's inputs. Otherwise, I can only say keep up the good work, very few reviewers being as meticulous regarding controller reviews, especially budget ones. Cheers 🎉
Yeah, I also heard that a lot of peope actually prefer a d pad, that has a more circular funtionality, where you can go around insted of only having 4 directions.
Russ!! You're the best for doing this. Got the Nova Lite after seeing it in a recent video of yours, and I'm over the moon with it for the price. Keep up the great work, sir!
Bought gamesir nova lite 3 weeks ago and it was a really pleasant surprise. Didn't expect this level of quality. Way better than my previous xbox series controller. One thing I don't like is that "screenshot" button isn't remappable in any software i.e. you can't assign it a function in any game or emulator. It makes useless screen clips (screenshots to clipboard) on windows.
One thing that's really cool about the 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth controller is that it can wake up the Switch from sleep by shaking it. I don't know if there's any other third party controllers that can do that.
Those cheapo 8bit do controllers are amazing. I bought a pair and everyone's complimented the feel and quality of the controllers. They have a nice textured feel.
I just got that exact 2c controller. no dock charging. But the shoulder buttons are amazing, better than even most premium controllers, the L4 and R4 are absolute game changers and are far easier to use that back buttons, your index finger lays over both shoulder buttons are the same time and with the great mechanical switches and layout design, its perfect. I love it.
I play a lot of games where I have to press buttons like that at the same time as the triggers, I don't think the positioning will really work for me unless I want to grip the controller with multiple fingers on the shoulder buttons.
Thank you very much. I've been in a dilemma of choosing between these two and you've convinced me to get a Gamesir Nova Lite. So I ordered one from my local Walmart and luckily it was going on sale (i think) and I got it for only $18 ($20 including tax) but, yeah, I'm super excited and can't wait to test it out and use it with my steam deck while docked.
Other reviewers need to watch your videos and take detailed notes. Your reviews are informative and balanced. Trying to watch other reviewers after you can be a somewhat painful experience.
With the connectivity issue, try downgrading the firmware. The latest firmware is 5700, downgrade to 4200. You can downgrade using the android app, just select other version and choose 4200. There are differences too. On the latest 5700, the B+Home is DS4 mode. On 4200, the B+Home is Xbox controller. The Nova Lite is my budget favorite, the multiplatform compatibility is great. There are also new color variants, Blue, Yellow, Pink and Green. There are also 2 special editions, Iron Man and Captain America designs (even the dongle matches the design).
Just notice it now. Nova lite dongle mode is in red led, which means switch pro mode. Mine remained green on dongle mode. The Iron Man edition I got came with 4200 firmware, I didn't update because I needed the Xbox mode.
Hi, I found on the internet that this controller can be connected to ps4, do you have any idea how to connect this to ps4? I already update to firmware 6900 and choose DS4 connection (the blue one), but it got me nothing. I tried to downgrade the firmware until 4000 but still not working. I hope you can help me with this problem. thanks
I like having the sticks on the same level. I do not understand why every controller have the x-box layout. I would love a controller with the Steamdeck layout. Those sticks are in my hands resting position, perfect for me.
One thing i think would improve this video is being able to listen to the button presses. With the button sounds I'm able to tell how they feel even better than only with your explanation.
I really, really like the 8bitdo Pro 2. And I've seen it go on sale for as low as $33 for the new hall version or $26 for the old alps version. I like it even more than the Ultimate.
Thanks a lot for weighing the controllers, I'm considering buying an Ultimate 2C (despite the problematic d-pad) and was looking to find out how much it weighs compared to the Pro 2 (which I already have). It's cool that you already have another video where you weigh the Pro 2 as well, so I was able to compare. Awesome. Great work!
Russ, you're one of the best controller reviewer I've seen on TH-cam. I've decided to get the Gamesir Nova Lite because of the firmer triggers and analog sticks with longer travel would suit better for racing games. Looking forward for more controller reviews from you!
Just wanted to thank you for listing and describing the differences with all those 8bitdo controllers that look so very similar what are actually not. Spent over 20 minutes searching for 8-bit dough controller comparisons. That search query didn't come up with anything that was nearly as comprehensive as what amounts to a side note in your video. Might want to include something about that section in your keywords. Thanks again great job
It's so funny to me that you say the 8BitDo Ultimate Controller's d-pad is good for retro games, but the Ultimate 2C isn't. I love the Ultimate Controller 1 a lot, but the d-pad has always been a problem for me cause making it do diagonals at all is a struggle. I have to really put a lot of pressure on it to make it go, and even then it sometimes drops them halfway through. The 2C's d-pad has been a dream! It's clicky, I haven't had any miss input issues, and it never drops diagonal inputs. I'm honestly thinking about transplanting the d-pad from the 2C into one of my Ultimate Controller 1s, maybe with the metal sticks too. Whenever a controller "fails" the Contra test, I think, "Good, that's what it's supposed to do. You push to the right and it goes to the right."
just bought one recently but havent tried it cuz im too busy. im just wondering if this would work with modern fighting games. i play a lot of fighting games like MK and tekken so i wonder how the inputs would register, bought a cheap ps4 controller and the dpad is just so bad for fighting games, hoping the 8bitdo one is an improvement.
Usually my dpad test is a fast paced game of Tetris, with the goal of not getting any false hard drops. The massive failure of the Switch Pro controller in this test is what set me on my controller hunt years ago, and 8BitDo generally passes this test for me... including the new Ultimate 2C design. In fact, I did better with the new Ultimate 2C than I did with the previous Ultimate C. So I'm with you... thus far I'm happy with the dpad, though to be fair I haven't tried any of my Metroidvania games with it yet.
The 2C looks great, though I'm sad it does not have a gyro. I'd like to have a wired version of the top end ultimate with the dongle. I have one of the Famicom anniversary edition controllers they put out of the Ultimate Bluetooth controller with the dock. (BTW for anyone reading the bluetooth ones also come with a 2.4ghz dongle. It stores inside the dock too.) I have to say though, with the fully-loaded ultimate with the dock coming down in price it does look like a good choice for extra controllers. But it'd be nice to have those features in wired so I could have those controllers for guests and not have to worry about a battery at all. Also, just a reminder to everyone who is wondering, switch controllers do work on windows natively, so do PS5. On windows you can use the switch on the back to basically have the controller read a xinput or switch on a PC. And those different modes have different functions. Like if you use xinput you aren't going to get gyro because xinput doesn't support gyro. If you use the controller as a switch controller on a PC then Steam can detect the gyro but then you lose analog triggers. I really wish Microsoft would add gyro to xinput already. The only good way I've found get analog and gyro triggers is to connect the controllers to PC as Dualshock or Dualsense controller as that supports both.
Ordered a Nova lite based in part on this review and so far I am really loving it. Amazing what you can get for $25 these days. All the controls feel "just right" to me, and I am really liking the fact that it comes with a hard case that also has room for the dongle. I keep my Batocera install on an external USB3 SSD so that I can take it with me and plug it into my laptop if I need a gaming fix while traveling, and I've always been afraid that whatever controller I pack with me would get damaged during transit, or that I would lose its dongle. The GameSir case is sturdy enough that I think it will survive typical travel baggage handling mishaps. And I don't mind it not coming with a USB-C cable, I literally have dozens of them, and I always keep a few packed along with the other digital device related things I always take with me (battery bank, smartwatch charger, etc.)
Great review on these, as my power A controller died, I happen to run into these controllerse on amazon and boom you have a review for them, super cool. I ended up going with the GameSir controller, works like advertised and really love the hardshell case, great bonus. Pairing was a little confusing till i saw this video, GameSir's instructions are all over the place to be honest. Thanks again. Happy Gaming :)
I have 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth Controller but the R2 button got faulty and became sticky. It was less than 5 months usage and it's still under warranty. Second one has been a year + and it seems fine. Overall it's a nice controller which come with the dock charging station. I still prefer duelsense quality but the hall effect of the 8bitdo just perfect
Just got the GameSir Nova Lite and I really love it, my thing for most modern controllers is how stiff the analog sticks feel, especially when moving around the rim! It's a weird textural thing for me. But the GameSir sticks feel absolutely smooth as butter. It's my go-to now for platformers and such.
IDK if this is a hot take, but the back buttons and those L4 and R4 buttons should be standard on controllers and be usable as extra buttons. More and more games are becoming playable on controllers that just feel they need more buttons than a normal controller provides.
I just bought my 8bitDo Ultimate 2.4g for $35 and at first, I felt bad since I didn't know they released a new Ultimate controller with this nice color scheme. But honestly, having been used the Dock for a couple days now and I wouldn't trade it for this new color and extra features... The big Duck is just sooo good!
For those who want to buy an Ultimate 2C here are some tips. Currently the bluetooth connection works on Windows and Linux. There were issues on Steam OS, but I recently tested it and it works out of the box. You can set up an X-input and D-input mode, which is only compatible with the 2.4G dongle (although you can do something similar with the bluetooth connection if you have an 8bitdo usb adapter 2, which allows you to use the analog triggers on Windows for example). To force X-input mode you must press the X button and turn off the controller. Release the button, then press the X button again and turn on. To force D-input mode you must press the B button and turn off the controller. Release the button, then press it again and turn on. It only works with the 2.4G dongle. I emphasize this here, because the method is slightly different from the previous version of the controller, the Ultimate C.
Even Nintendo's can't get it right all the time. NES through N64 had a good d-pad, GameCube felt the same but was to small, Wii classic and Wii U d-pad was perfect, and now the Switch has diagonal issues.
I've been having an issue with the original ultimate dpad where the diagonals are a bit too strenuous to hold down. If you don't apply a lot of force to the diagonals, they don't register. This forces your diagonal inputs to be deliberate, which is fine for a lot of games but is incredibly straining on the finger when it comes to games where you move in 8 directions. In those cases I resort to using the analog stick instead because it's significantly more comfortable. I am interested in this controller because I heard that it is a lot lighter and more tactile, and this review confirms that it's easier to hit the diagonals.
Fair warning for the 8BitDo Ultimate C (not to be confused with 2C, which is the one shown in this video), from someone that has bought 2 of them. While it is relatively good on the first month or so, the controller will be VERY prone to drifting amongst many other issues after that point. You WILL have to get another controller when that happens, which at this point, just means you should've splurged on an Ultimate instead. If you're lucky and got the HE Joysticks version (which is the 2C), chances are you might not have these issues with the refresh... But be very careful when you are shopping for those, as the Ultimate C stands for "Cheap"... in many different ways.
Yep, exactly this. Mine started acting up in about 2 months, couldn't even finish AC Origins lol so had to fix it right up and just gave it to my cousin to be used as an OK android game controller.
I was all set to get an 8bitdo... Saw your review, and in the UK GameSir's new pad at Argos is going for £17.99! Easy purchase, hopefully better than my horrid £12 Xbox 360 controller with loads of deadband...
I have an 8BitDo SN30 Pro and it's pretty great. Only thing is, weirdly enough, the rubber on one of the sticks just... came off. No idea how that happened. Still, aside from that weirdness, it's a very well made controller and I tend towards 8BitDo for the more budget side of things.
I game on PC and Switch and got a Gamesir Tarantula Pro a month ago, and I live in Costa Rica, so it takes quite long to get here, welp, the one I got had a defective Right Trigger and dongle connectivity issues, immediately looked for a cheap option to replace it, and got the Nova Lite Purple, and it's amazing, it just works, no issues, no hussle, it just does what it's supposed to. My main controller from here on.
I am incredibly surprised seeing Gamesir still around and doing better than ever. I have the Gamesir G3S from 8 years ago? Maybe even longer, I got it mainly for playing on Android and PC and it never dissapointed, definitely solid choice imo
Thanks for the review, I cancelled my order for the Ultimate 2c. Such a shame on paper it really seemed like 8bitdo finally made a perfect controller but I guess they are just incapable of that.
Thanks for this video! Reflecting on the functionalities and your impressions on both of these, I went for the Nova Lite. In the past week I've been really enjoying using it on PC and I also plan to use it as a second-player controller for Switch -- actually the main reason for my choice is covering both scenarios with the same (cheap!) product. So far the only thing I don't love about it is the shape of the triggers, they're kinda thin. I think I'd like the 8bitdo a bit better in this regard. But it's not something that bothers me during normal use.
I do like that they moved the re-mappable buttons to the triggers. My normal controller is an older 8BitDo Pro+, my brother has the Pro2 and I prefer my older controller for lacking the bottom paddles. And when creating complex mappings on Steam Deck, I tend to use the triggers and bumpers more for features traditionally on the face buttons. There I do like the paddles as they don't interfere with my grip as much, but I would rather have more bumpers, so I can fully map the front diamond to them without loosing functionality. So good to see that newer 8BitDo offerings seem to give this. Though on the Bluetooth, if it works with Android, it'll work with Linux and most likely Windows too, since Android just implements the basic controller standard. That's similar to how my Pro+ claims to connect to Raspberry Pi, which actually means any Linux system being able to work with it. But it might be a matter of what they actively support.
Great video! I wasn't searching for a new controller, but actually, saw this and I think I will order a GAMESIR. Great convenience and I really LOVE the cover.
Been a long supporter of 8bitdo, but do find their Bluetooth is laggy and frustrating with Retroarch. May be switching to GameSir. Words I didn’t think I’d ever say.
It's nice to know that there are cheap but relatively high-quality controllers out there. I'm not in the market for a new controller at the moment, but I will definitely keep these in mind for when my extremely cheap wired Logitech controllers finally break.
One thing I'd like to add is the grip of the controller always keeps your hands warm for some reason over a smooth feeling one. If you suffer from cold hands this is the controller for you.
I find the hard shell more useful than the charging cable. I could easily find an usb cable, compared to a controller specific hard shell when I need to toss the controller in my backpack
Owned the Ultimate 2C for almost 4 weeks. Imo it's their most premium quality controller yet! The anti-fraction rings really helps the sticks feel much smoother. The bumpers and hall effect triggers feel fantastic, I love the tactile clickyness of the bumpers and the triggers feels buttery smooth. The extra bumpers are a nice edition, it maybe be confusing at first to set up the programmable bumpers but I got the hang of it quickly. And personally for the d-pad, I can perform fighting game inputs with ease despite the fact it's tactile instead of membrane. Even though if you move around the down part of the d-pad and get diagonal input sometimes, the membrane d-pads also do that as well lol. Also one last thing to note, the textures of the back grips are much better than prevous Ultimate controllers! They are more akin to the Pro 2 back grip textures and is something that doesn't get much praise! Also don't get forget to download the Ultimate Software to upgrade the firmware of the Ultimate 2C! You go to the support page on the 8bitdo website, then the Ultimate Software page, and finally the Ultimate Software V2 page will be open if you choose either type of the Ultimate 2C! I hope everything that I said helps! Try out this controller if you can!
Oh and one special mention: The controller actually works fine with my Steam Deck via bluetooth! I would assume because I've the updated the firmware? But yeah, a really hidden benefit if you wanna use the controller with your Steam Deck without needing the 2.4ghz receiver!
Interesting that you mention high quality GameSir d-pads. I have a G7SE as my main Xbox controller, and I've noticed while playing Morrowind that the forward and left d-pad buttons will move my character at full speed, while the back and right buttons will move the character at a walk. The d-pad works at full speed in menus, so I dont know if this is just a quirk with Morrowind specifically, or if I'd have problems playing retro games using the d-pad. Controller is only a few months old.
bro this is such perfect timing I was literally thinking about buying one of these for my htpc in my living room and then you post a video about these 2 controllers i was thinking of buying edit: the gamesir just arrived and it really good i definitely recommend it feels quality and the hardshell case is really good and i like the triggers if one of my other xbox controllers break ill buy one of these again
Really enjoyed this. Been so used to using to the stock standard Xbox One controller as it just works with most things and have been looking around for something different. I like the line on offer by 8bitdo that goes way back retro wise and I had been contemplating on the SNES style controller but with 2 Playstation placement analogue sticks and their arcade stick to get the old school feel with additional modern touches. The hard case was a intriguing inclusion and should be standard for all wireless controllers. Not exactly what I'm looking for at the moment but great overview nonetheless. Fantastic as always, Russ! 👍
My 8bitdo Ultimate Controller was worth every penny. D-Pad and sticks are perfect, it has rumble, and it wakes up my switch. Annd the fact that it comes with a charging dock really justifies the 60 price for me. But I also think its great that they have so many budget options, 20-30 dollars for an 8bitdo controller is CRAZY competitive
the 50$ Gulikit Kingkong pro 2 is the best money I've ever spent. One of the most comfy and durable controllers out there. Although if I'm buying now I'd look for the kk3 pro or kk3 max.
Only if you are using it wired. Wirelessly it has a horrible input lag. I was very disappointed when I connected it to my nVidia shield ATV box for some retro games. I couldn't use it.
@@zzzoid what? I've used mine for 6 months now. Not an ounce of input lag. I regularly play both on my Android and PC. You got a faulty one, or it's something to do with your nvidia shield. Even reviewers like retro game corps here reviewed it, they didn't report any input lag either.
@@RafidW9 I have mine since 09/2022. Maybe they fixed it with a firmware update later? I read the same on Reddit at the time, many people were disappointed by the exact same thing. I will try to do a FW update that's on their page. Otherwise the controller seems to be awesome, but the input lag on mine is simply unbearable and it was laying in my drawer for almost two years because of it.
@@RafidW9 So I did the firmware update. Tried it again and it seems the problem is in the shield's internal bluetooth receiver. On my PC and Android phone it works well. So I will probably buy a USB Bluetooth dongle for my shield and it should be all solved. Thanks for letting me know! I will finally enjoy the controller after 2 years of collecting dust 😂
Yeah I think the DualSense is more comfortable than Xbox controllers because of the squarishness factor. Was just thinking of that today. It's why I picked up the Pro 2 - the upcoming Zelda Green one :D
I got both, despite being budget and similar in price range, Nova Lite feels like a real budget controller, everything feels cheap and janky about it. It's not a bad controller in any way, you just can't get any lower without having a real bad controller. 2C on the other hand, feels like a proper ~$60 controller, similar to other more expensive 8bitdo Ultimate controllers. So I'd say, for Switch - get a regular Nova with HD rumble, for multiplatform "pc-xbox" like experience, 2C and Flydigi Direwolf 2 are two absolute best budget controllers right now. P.S. Not sure about 2C dpad, but on 3-Mode dpad is perfect, the best from two worlds of membrane and tact switches buttons, extremely accurate while much softer and quite than other tact switch dpads I've seen. On 19:32 you're showing a stiff dpad with lack of "rolling" capabilites which is a sign of a cheap and bad dpad. Some people can find it as an advantage to avoid accidental diagonal inputs, but it's still a cheap and bad membrane dpad. If I remember correctly 8bitdo software has an option to switch between 4-way and 8-way dpad to avoid unwanted diagonal inputs, for any other cases you just need to choose a controller with dpad that fits your playstyle.
Can the 2C connect to the RP4 using the 2.4g dongle via the dock? This is a key use case for me. Especially if it can accept multiple controllers this way.
Gotta say, the 8bitdo with the charging dock is my pic. I suck at keeping by controllers plugged in and this just makes keeping the entertainment area looking tidy.
I have one of the original 8Bitdo SFC30 controllers. I use it to play emulator games on my PC. Even though it came out before the Nintendo Switch, a firmware update release allows me to pair it my Switch and have put hundreds of hours on it.
You can’t go wrong with either of these. I have 2 different 8bitdos and like them, I have 5 different gamesirs including the nova and I love them even more because they fit better in my hand
Sold me on the Gamesir based on the connectivity and the colors aren't dumb. Been using a Guilikit KingKong 2 on my Archlinux Desktop for the last year. Had some bluetooth issues at first but ironed them out but I still needed a go-to for my Deck. The Gamesir Nova Lite looks like a good option.
18:07 I've really noticed it even in your previous "third strike tests" but this is more prominent here. You always press the punch button way too late that's why the hadouken wouldn't come out. (Ken just ends up punching air while standing.) In some of your older dpad test videos (and just later in the video now that I've rewatched it) you press it too early when you're doing the hadouken motion (Ken punching while he's still ducking). Or sometimes the punch's "negative edge" would just register that's why you're getting a ducking punch immediately with a thrown hadouken. I know you said you're not a good at these fighting game motions but you may want to consistently throw hadoukens first on a controller you're more comfortable then revisit the "third strike" tests again. More of a "when to hit punch" timing thing
That being said I used to have the first version of the Ultimate controller and I do remember that because the placement of the D-pad is too in the middle I also had a hard time doing hadouken motions because the Dpad is just too awkwardly positioned there. It might be more comfortable with folks that have larger hands. The "ultimate" 8bitdo controllers are more for modern sensibilities that use analog directions all the time as opposed to for use with retro games. Now 8bitdo's SN30 and Pro2.. those are the ones you use for retro D-pad centric gaming
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Just got me 2 Nova Lites. One for me, one for my son. They're not just good for the pricepoint. They're just good. And I normally play with Xbox controllers.
Come on man, I lived for MadCatz controllers! Did you ever have the one with the giant knob for racing games, kinda like the old Atari wheel controllers, except for N64.... that was a thing of beauty there. We need more MaddCatz in our life today, just saying. ;D
It is wild that Gamesir can make a pretty good controller, with hall effect sticks and built-in battery, for half the price of an original Xbox controller. Here in Brazil it is even worse, the Xbox model is four times the price of an imported Gamesir. The Bluetooth limitation on the 8BitDo 2Cdoes not make sense me. Why restrict compatibility in this way? I was torn between the GameSir and 8BitDo, but went with the GameSir as it was cheaper. Glad I made the best choice.
Tried the GameSir Nova Lite. The polling delay is pretty significant on Android BT, and likely many other connections. Basically you press a button and there's a minor delay, enough to be a show stopper
I noticed gamesir over Bluetooth on almost all controllers will register as PS4 controller over Bluetooth but registered as xbox on a wired connection. This broke my brain when I bought their Galileo 8 Plus
Personally prefer 8bitdo over Gamesir. My old Gamesir Cyclone had worn out conductive pads and they don't sell replacements. Eventually started to have drift. I replaced it with 8bitdo's 2.4 Ultimate with Hall Effect. It works with PC, Android and iOS.
It would be nice to see more of these as they're the only thing on PC that can have both analog triggers and gyro in a third party controller (besides the old Steam controller I guess).
I own both, I really like the 8bitdo for switch but actually the gamesir replaced my x360 controller for the PC, steamdeck and rog ally when in the dock😊
As far as I know, wired 2Cs don't have hall effect sticks. Also, the previous Ultimate C did not come in less colorways - they have a few that the 2C does not have.
Update: reverting to the GameSir v4200 firmware fixed the Switch Pro controller bug I mentioned in the video. Downgrading is simple, just pair the controller with your Android/iPhone with the GameSir app (available on each phone's respective app store) and then choose Update Firmware > Other Firmware > v4200 and follow the prompts. Hopefully GameSir makes a firmware fix in the future, and I'll be sure to update this comment when they do!
How would you say the blutooth connection (game sir nova lite) is for wireless with the dongle, ppl say its bad, do you have any other options? @RetroGameCorps
The 4200 so far is the best firmware. Though 1 minor issue in my end, android mode won't connect to older android 10 device. Xbox mode works on android 10 though, so problem solved.
In Times, where every household should have at least some PS Controller or Xbox Controller laying around. The Controller Market is kinda over, so thats why it´s very important that a Controller is able to update, which is a huge win for the GameSir v4200. I hope we´ll see this kind of service for a long time.
I just got it today. It was 15,08 on bangood with allowance. For its money its very good. I upgraded with latest fitmware 6900 and with 4200 and its working fine. I think that for this price range gamesir is a bit better..
Were you able to test connecting the gamesir to the steam deck over bluetooth? I have tried both the Android/DS4 modes (A/B) and encountered the same issue. I put the steam deck to sleep, and then the controller never pairs after waking. It slowly blinks. Oddly enough the gamesir controller appears in the bluetooth menu on the steam deck, but no input is ever registered.
I have tried firmware 6900 and 4200. I wanted to utilize the bluetooth connection to avoid using the adapter when I play on the go. If I can't work out how to use this, I will need to return. Same situation with the adapter as my xbox 360 controller.
8BitDo's naming scheme for their controllers feels like they took a few pages from Nvidia.
It is, but having it randomly and differently named would be much more complicated and confusing.
Does nvidia have a problem with naming? I thought it was AMD thing
@bdyussenov477 the mobile chips vs the desktop chips, naming a underpowereed gpu with more ram the same as another gpu with more power and less ram, rtx 3050. The mobile version of gpu is always less powerful.
@@zombiemincaftr They don't sell mobile CPU and GPU separately to make it confusing, so when purchasing a mobile PC customer should be aware what exactly they are buying and what performance they can expect for it's money. Tho it would be useful to have universal naming like RTX 3050 and RTX 3050M
@@J0rdan912 They should not be called the same thing because they aren't the same thing, the only one I know that performs the same as the desktop version is the rtx 4060 mobile which is the one I have
For Gamesir Nova Lite;
* Choose FW4200 if you want to connect as Bluetooth Xinput (Xbox Controller) via HOME+B buttons.
* Choose FW5700 and newer if you want to connect as Bluetooth DS4 (DualShock4 Controller) via HOME+B buttons.
* Check your default firmware which your controller came with. It's important because it determines your 2.4GHz dongle (receiver) firmware.
FW 4200:
- Home + B: BT XInput, seems as "XBox controller"
- Home + A: BT Android (HID)
- Home + X: Dongle XInput/Switch Pro/Android (Hold the View+Menu (Select+Start) buttons for 2s to hot swap between modes!)
- Home + Y: BT Switch Pro
FW 5700 (and FW6900?):
- Home + B: BT DS4, seems as "Dualshock 4 controller"
- Home + A: BT Android (HID)
- Home + X: Dongle XInput/Switch Pro/Android (Caution: If you upgrade an old default firmware to FW5700 and up, this will only work as Switch Pro, because the old dongle firmware is not compatible with newer controller firmwares!)
- Home + Y: BT Switch Pro
If one connect as Bluetooth DS4 (Led: Blue) via Home+B combination, then the controller most likely came directly with 5700 firmware (or maybe with FW6900 with newer batches.) While there was the option to connect with Bluetooth Xinput in FW4200, this option was replaced by BT Dualshock4 in FW5700 (I think in order to increase compatibility with IOS and older games.)
In fact, if we consider that the Dongle Xinput mode still works on the 5700, we can say that overall compatibility has increased and there has been an improvement. But of course, the practicality of connecting with BT Xinput has also been eliminated unfortunately.
There is also another issue with the 5700:
If the controller came with 4000, 4200, 4800 firmware and you upgrade it to 5700 (and 6900?) via Gamesir app, the dongle (receiver) no longer works properly as before. People complain that they can't connect as Xinput with the dongle anymore, but can only connect as Switch Pro. ( just like @RetroGameCorps )
The reason for this is that the dongle firmware of the controllers that came with old firmwares is not compatible with the 5700. If you have upgraded the controller to 5700 and are happy with it, but want the dongle to work as before, you need to update the firmware of the dongle as well. Gamesir has not released an official fw for this yet, but upon a user's request, they sent the dongle firmware for the 5700 by e-mail, and it is said to work. It can be downloaded from the web and applied on PC. Google with the "T4NL dongle upgrade.zip" and you can access the file which also contains visuals and video on how to do the process. (I did NOT try it myself yet!)
However, it should be noted that this process is currently irreversible! Because we do not have the old dongle firmware file and as can be seen in the FW upgrade image, we do not have the opportunity to dump and save the old one from the software. Therefore, we still need to contact Gamesir and wait for them to publish or send it. (In other words, if you switch from 5700 to 4200, the dongle will not work properly. Although the connection is possible as BT Xinput, Dongle Xinput mode will not work!)
My device came with 4800 fw. It was not connecting with Home+B neither as BT Xinput nor as BT DS4. The LED was constantly flashing Yellow and forcing pairing (Home + Screenshot) did not work either. Anyway, when you try to update with Gamesir app, 4800 is not among your options. This is an indication and proof that 4800 fw has a major problem, they sent it like that at first place. So I was going to either decrease it to 4200 which is generally satisfactory or increase it to 5700. Since the option to connect as BT DS4 would not be very useful for me and I did not want to deal with dongle update, I decreased FW to 4200. Thus, Home+B BT Xinput mode also works and dongle/cable options are as problem-free as before.
Gamesir should release a firmware which adds an extra pairing option (with Home+View or Home+Menu ie.) to connect as BT Xinput and BT DS4 both. That would surely be awesome!
Finally, it should be added that the FW update is risky and some Nova Lite users bricked their devices while doing the process. The devices were no longer opening at all and there was no sign of life. I only saw a Reddit user write that he brought the device back to life by plugging it in after days passed. After the battery was completely dead, the settings were reset and the device opened with the old FW, i guess. However, it should be added that some similar users tried by removing the battery and putting it back in, but could not fix it. So be careful while tinkering. (I had no problems updating from 4800 to 4200 with the Gamesir App: v5.2.10 from github.)
I very like the vast variety of connection options that Nova Lite serves. But i didn't like the Dpad, because it has a huge false diagonals problem. I will open the device and glue some thin tape over the center pivot soon, hope to get the Dpad work more precisely. (Don't tape partly over the 4 direction connection pads, or the overall responsiveness will decrease!)
Thank you for this detailed guide and explanation
This more detailed then the user guide, respect
this comment needs pinned for folk buying the controller for PC use becuase why would anyone want DS4 emulation on a PC when the XBOX Xinput is native to Windows. I downgraded to 4200 firmware and it works exactly like the official xbox controller on PC. Loving it!
do the triggers work as analog when using bluetooth to pc? I've heard mixed reports. Someone said they only work as 2 stage with bluetooth and need the cable on pc for them to be analog.
I'd like to share that the 8bitdo Ultimate 2.4 controller had a consistent issue where both of the triggers slowly lose functionality due to faulty parts. 8bitdo WILL fix it, but if it happens outside of your Amazon return period they'll make you pay for shipping and handling rather than sending you parts or sending a replacement. Love the controller, but after 7 months both my triggers are at half functionality, and thats super disappointing. Found several other people online who have stories like mine, so I don't believe it's a one off fluke.
For those who are interested, the triggers have a sharp (acute) piece that connects with the sensor, so over time the piece depresses the sensor deeper and deeper, so without replacing that sharp internal piece (which is just the back side of the trigger), you'll probably inevitably lose trigger functionality regardless of how gentle you are.
I'm about a year in with my 8bitdo and not yet found this to be an issue but if it does eventually do it, I'll know exactly what it is. Cheers :-)
These are hall effect triggers now, won't be an issue.
i just picked up that one... its decent, but coming from the xbox s controllers i found the triggers to be weirdly springy. also, i think my hands are too big for it cuz the grip buttons are in the WORST spot. i will keep an eye out for the trigger durability. thank you for the testimony!!
@@bigrob029 Just tried the 8bit and an Xbox s controller triggers and the 8bit is slightly more resistant to a pull. Only slightly though. As for the grip buttons, middle fingers worked for me, using them, although I haven't actually found a game where they work (PC).
This has started to become an issue on my Ultimate 2.4G controller. It only register around 70% when the triggers is fully pressed down. This caused issues when playing certain games like GTA or RDR2 where certain weapons wouldn't work and on Forza where I'm not using the full potential of my car's top speed. I've owned it for nearly 3 months now and this is also the updated hall-effect stick model. The trigger might now be the biggest weak point of the controller and will look elsewhere now for possible replacement later on.
The QC of 8bitdo has been steadily declining over the last few years. That dpad is absolutely crushing to see as I dig the colourway
Shocking. Very glad to have watched this before considering buying this.
They're getting cocky unfortunately.
Their dpads have never been consistent from day 1. I have their older snes style sn30 pro pads that looked more like Nintendo replicas before they modified the aesthetics, and they were just as inconsistent as the ones in this vid. It varies a lot between models. 8bitdo is just popular and they make a nice variety. They are better than retrobit at least.
3 years ago I bought a GameSir controller and was disappointed, but I liked the 8bitdo controller I bought around the same time. Sounds like things have reversed now.
@@av_oid same i bought the 8bitdo ultimate c wired controller for xbox the directional buttons looks sick when i click it
it feels like it has mouse clicks or something but tbf i bought terrible controllers before and 8bitdo is kinda my first premium controller
I prefer the 8bitdo SN30 Pro for travel. It's almost flat and it is compatible with pretty much all the platforms
I have the lite 2. Definitely not as comfortable, but I have been able to use it for multiple hour sessions
The new versions have Hall sticks too.
Bluetooth is bad on PC but for switch and phone the SN30 pro is an excellent controller
i need a 2.5ghz version of SF30pro
Here a big fan of Street Fighter. You have no idea how much the "Hadoukenable and Shoryukenable" sections are important to me. Many thanks!
Omg i literally just gave up on finding a 2C review. Then i saw this in my subscription page!
i only found one in a language i never heard of but the good thing he does teardown of 2C wireless.
I truly believe you are the only creator that can make 37 minute video about controllers, and make it entertaining the entire time. Thanks for the quality input.
I recently set up a mini PC in the living room for the family and I to play games on. I needed at least one more controller and I wanted something budget. I checked all of your videos, but I still wasn’t sure. I checked some other content on TH-cam and decided to try the Gamesir Nova Lite. I’ve had it for a week. And I couldn’t believe you had not reviewed this controller yet. I actually prefer the sticks over the 8bitdo. Crazy timing on you releasing this video now. Thank you so much for everything you do.
Are you using Bluetooth or the dongle? If the latter, are you having the same problem where the system thinks it's a switch pro controller?
@@buckysrevenge I’ve only had it for a week and only used it with the 2.4ghz dongle. Works perfectly for me. I have not attempted to update the firmware though.
@@mvanalst2003 I've been using it for a month without update, works flawlessly, such a champ.
I have to disagree with your conclusion from the Contra test for the 2C. If you see your fingers, they're not just wiggling slightly left and right, they are just actually pressing where you would when you want a diagonal, giving you the diagonal.
Your 3S test tells a lot more about the accuracy of the dpad too. The most important thing being that you didn't get a single errant diagonal jump input, which can be the bane of many fighting game players.
For something that feels like a Vita dpad with the covering of a SNES, it actually does seem to be giving you the exact same kinds of results that I get from my Vita.
I'd suggest using Fightcade and the training lua for the 3S test in the future, especially as it's very helpful for figuring out how the game is actually registering the controller's inputs. Otherwise, I can only say keep up the good work, very few reviewers being as meticulous regarding controller reviews, especially budget ones. Cheers 🎉
Yeah, I also heard that a lot of peope actually prefer a d pad, that has a more circular funtionality, where you can go around insted of only having 4 directions.
Russ!! You're the best for doing this. Got the Nova Lite after seeing it in a recent video of yours, and I'm over the moon with it for the price. Keep up the great work, sir!
Bought gamesir nova lite 3 weeks ago and it was a really pleasant surprise. Didn't expect this level of quality. Way better than my previous xbox series controller.
One thing I don't like is that "screenshot" button isn't remappable in any software i.e. you can't assign it a function in any game or emulator. It makes useless screen clips (screenshots to clipboard) on windows.
One thing that's really cool about the 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth controller is that it can wake up the Switch from sleep by shaking it. I don't know if there's any other third party controllers that can do that.
The Hori Gamecube Style controller can do it
@@Julian-og3ps Good to know. Thanks!
You just unlocked a new feature for my controller
In what way is shaking a controller better than pressing a button?
Doesn't work on mine, maby i need to change some setting...
Those cheapo 8bit do controllers are amazing. I bought a pair and everyone's complimented the feel and quality of the controllers. They have a nice textured feel.
I just got that exact 2c controller. no dock charging. But the shoulder buttons are amazing, better than even most premium controllers, the L4 and R4 are absolute game changers and are far easier to use that back buttons, your index finger lays over both shoulder buttons are the same time and with the great mechanical switches and layout design, its perfect. I love it.
I play a lot of games where I have to press buttons like that at the same time as the triggers, I don't think the positioning will really work for me unless I want to grip the controller with multiple fingers on the shoulder buttons.
Thank you very much. I've been in a dilemma of choosing between these two and you've convinced me to get a Gamesir Nova Lite. So I ordered one from my local Walmart and luckily it was going on sale (i think) and I got it for only $18 ($20 including tax) but, yeah, I'm super excited and can't wait to test it out and use it with my steam deck while docked.
Other reviewers need to watch your videos and take detailed notes. Your reviews are informative and balanced. Trying to watch other reviewers after you can be a somewhat painful experience.
Fantastic comparison, thank you. I didn't realize we had hall effect joysticks at this price point!
With the connectivity issue, try downgrading the firmware. The latest firmware is 5700, downgrade to 4200. You can downgrade using the android app, just select other version and choose 4200. There are differences too. On the latest 5700, the B+Home is DS4 mode. On 4200, the B+Home is Xbox controller.
The Nova Lite is my budget favorite, the multiplatform compatibility is great. There are also new color variants, Blue, Yellow, Pink and Green. There are also 2 special editions, Iron Man and Captain America designs (even the dongle matches the design).
Just notice it now. Nova lite dongle mode is in red led, which means switch pro mode. Mine remained green on dongle mode. The Iron Man edition I got came with 4200 firmware, I didn't update because I needed the Xbox mode.
Hi, I found on the internet that this controller can be connected to ps4, do you have any idea how to connect this to ps4? I already update to firmware 6900 and choose DS4 connection (the blue one), but it got me nothing. I tried to downgrade the firmware until 4000 but still not working. I hope you can help me with this problem. thanks
My favorite budget controller is the Google Stadia controller
The ouya controller is also controller
I like having the sticks on the same level. I do not understand why every controller have the x-box layout. I would love a controller with the Steamdeck layout. Those sticks are in my hands resting position, perfect for me.
I love my stadia controller haha the only negative is that it doesn’t have back buttons/pumpers
@@Varangian_af_Scaniae I think gamesir and kyperkin have hall effect, dualshock style xbox controllers
Especially when google refunded them so we got free controller and a 4k chromecast
Lets gooooooo I've been waiting for an Ultimate 2c review, I put my order in a month ago but it still hasn't shipped yet
I _really_ love the Ultimate 2C colorways, guh. The pink one is so so nice.
I agree. I got an orange one as 8-bitdo seem to remind me of POWER A on the PS3... They were the GOOD budget option during late PS3...
One thing i think would improve this video is being able to listen to the button presses. With the button sounds I'm able to tell how they feel even better than only with your explanation.
I really, really like the 8bitdo Pro 2. And I've seen it go on sale for as low as $33 for the new hall version or $26 for the old alps version. I like it even more than the Ultimate.
Same, much prefer it to the ultimate
Ultimate meant to be worse.
Thanks a lot for weighing the controllers, I'm considering buying an Ultimate 2C (despite the problematic d-pad) and was looking to find out how much it weighs compared to the Pro 2 (which I already have). It's cool that you already have another video where you weigh the Pro 2 as well, so I was able to compare. Awesome. Great work!
Russ, you're one of the best controller reviewer I've seen on TH-cam. I've decided to get the Gamesir Nova Lite because of the firmer triggers and analog sticks with longer travel would suit better for racing games. Looking forward for more controller reviews from you!
Just wanted to thank you for listing and describing the differences with all those 8bitdo controllers that look so very similar what are actually not. Spent over 20 minutes searching for 8-bit dough controller comparisons. That search query didn't come up with anything that was nearly as comprehensive as what amounts to a side note in your video. Might want to include something about that section in your keywords. Thanks again great job
Just got my gamesir for $17.99 on a deal. Spent 3 days on it. Gonna grab a spare, one of the best buys I ever had!
It's so funny to me that you say the 8BitDo Ultimate Controller's d-pad is good for retro games, but the Ultimate 2C isn't. I love the Ultimate Controller 1 a lot, but the d-pad has always been a problem for me cause making it do diagonals at all is a struggle. I have to really put a lot of pressure on it to make it go, and even then it sometimes drops them halfway through. The 2C's d-pad has been a dream! It's clicky, I haven't had any miss input issues, and it never drops diagonal inputs. I'm honestly thinking about transplanting the d-pad from the 2C into one of my Ultimate Controller 1s, maybe with the metal sticks too.
Whenever a controller "fails" the Contra test, I think, "Good, that's what it's supposed to do. You push to the right and it goes to the right."
I don't get this "contra test". Isn't wiggling the dpad left and right while pressing down, by definition, a diagonal?😅
just bought one recently but havent tried it cuz im too busy. im just wondering if this would work with modern fighting games. i play a lot of fighting games like MK and tekken so i wonder how the inputs would register, bought a cheap ps4 controller and the dpad is just so bad for fighting games, hoping the 8bitdo one is an improvement.
tho i love that the 30$ one has hall effect sensors, something i had a prob with ps4
Usually my dpad test is a fast paced game of Tetris, with the goal of not getting any false hard drops. The massive failure of the Switch Pro controller in this test is what set me on my controller hunt years ago, and 8BitDo generally passes this test for me... including the new Ultimate 2C design. In fact, I did better with the new Ultimate 2C than I did with the previous Ultimate C. So I'm with you... thus far I'm happy with the dpad, though to be fair I haven't tried any of my Metroidvania games with it yet.
my Ultimate C controller is hell for playing fighting games 😭 It's so easy for misinputs
The 2C looks great, though I'm sad it does not have a gyro. I'd like to have a wired version of the top end ultimate with the dongle. I have one of the Famicom anniversary edition controllers they put out of the Ultimate Bluetooth controller with the dock. (BTW for anyone reading the bluetooth ones also come with a 2.4ghz dongle. It stores inside the dock too.)
I have to say though, with the fully-loaded ultimate with the dock coming down in price it does look like a good choice for extra controllers. But it'd be nice to have those features in wired so I could have those controllers for guests and not have to worry about a battery at all.
Also, just a reminder to everyone who is wondering, switch controllers do work on windows natively, so do PS5. On windows you can use the switch on the back to basically have the controller read a xinput or switch on a PC. And those different modes have different functions. Like if you use xinput you aren't going to get gyro because xinput doesn't support gyro. If you use the controller as a switch controller on a PC then Steam can detect the gyro but then you lose analog triggers. I really wish Microsoft would add gyro to xinput already. The only good way I've found get analog and gyro triggers is to connect the controllers to PC as Dualshock or Dualsense controller as that supports both.
Ordered a Nova lite based in part on this review and so far I am really loving it. Amazing what you can get for $25 these days. All the controls feel "just right" to me, and I am really liking the fact that it comes with a hard case that also has room for the dongle. I keep my Batocera install on an external USB3 SSD so that I can take it with me and plug it into my laptop if I need a gaming fix while traveling, and I've always been afraid that whatever controller I pack with me would get damaged during transit, or that I would lose its dongle. The GameSir case is sturdy enough that I think it will survive typical travel baggage handling mishaps. And I don't mind it not coming with a USB-C cable, I literally have dozens of them, and I always keep a few packed along with the other digital device related things I always take with me (battery bank, smartwatch charger, etc.)
Just got the 2c yesterday, first time owning an 8bitdo. Their build quality is superb, this one also has 1000hz polling rate wireless which is crazy
Mate,how about circularity error test?
Think you can check it on gamepadla
Great review on these, as my power A controller died, I happen to run into these controllerse on amazon and boom you have a review for them, super cool. I ended up going with the GameSir controller, works like advertised and really love the hardshell case, great bonus. Pairing was a little confusing till i saw this video, GameSir's instructions are all over the place to be honest. Thanks again. Happy Gaming :)
I have 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth Controller but the R2 button got faulty and became sticky. It was less than 5 months usage and it's still under warranty. Second one has been a year + and it seems fine. Overall it's a nice controller which come with the dock charging station. I still prefer duelsense quality but the hall effect of the 8bitdo just perfect
Awesome review! Just ordered my yellow Gamesir Nova Lite for $11.36 converted from my currency. Can't wait to play Dead Cells with it!
What currency? More than 50% difference.
Just got the GameSir Nova Lite and I really love it, my thing for most modern controllers is how stiff the analog sticks feel, especially when moving around the rim! It's a weird textural thing for me. But the GameSir sticks feel absolutely smooth as butter. It's my go-to now for platformers and such.
8 bit do is basically all I use now. I have the ultimate controller might put the dongle in my PC for use up there. That controller is magnificent.
IDK if this is a hot take, but the back buttons and those L4 and R4 buttons should be standard on controllers and be usable as extra buttons. More and more games are becoming playable on controllers that just feel they need more buttons than a normal controller provides.
Man at this price it's hardly a huge savings... at this point I'm looking at quality and features.
I was literally just looking into getting another controller! I had an old gamesir that was really good, but I lost it. They are pretty durable too.
I just bought my 8bitDo Ultimate 2.4g for $35 and at first, I felt bad since I didn't know they released a new Ultimate controller with this nice color scheme.
But honestly, having been used the Dock for a couple days now and I wouldn't trade it for this new color and extra features... The big Duck is just sooo good!
For those who want to buy an Ultimate 2C here are some tips. Currently the bluetooth connection works on Windows and Linux. There were issues on Steam OS, but I recently tested it and it works out of the box.
You can set up an X-input and D-input mode, which is only compatible with the 2.4G dongle (although you can do something similar with the bluetooth connection if you have an 8bitdo usb adapter 2, which allows you to use the analog triggers on Windows for example).
To force X-input mode you must press the X button and turn off the controller. Release the button, then press the X button again and turn on. To force D-input mode you must press the B button and turn off the controller. Release the button, then press it again and turn on. It only works with the 2.4G dongle.
I emphasize this here, because the method is slightly different from the previous version of the controller, the Ultimate C.
Kind of baffling that 8bitdo would change up the dpad and make it worse. The original ultimate dpad was already very good so why change it?
Even Nintendo's can't get it right all the time. NES through N64 had a good d-pad, GameCube felt the same but was to small, Wii classic and Wii U d-pad was perfect, and now the Switch has diagonal issues.
The pro 2 d pad is perfect
It isn't any worse, it's just different.
I've been having an issue with the original ultimate dpad where the diagonals are a bit too strenuous to hold down. If you don't apply a lot of force to the diagonals, they don't register. This forces your diagonal inputs to be deliberate, which is fine for a lot of games but is incredibly straining on the finger when it comes to games where you move in 8 directions. In those cases I resort to using the analog stick instead because it's significantly more comfortable.
I am interested in this controller because I heard that it is a lot lighter and more tactile, and this review confirms that it's easier to hit the diagonals.
"This controler has a chicken button."
SOLD.
Fair warning for the 8BitDo Ultimate C (not to be confused with 2C, which is the one shown in this video), from someone that has bought 2 of them. While it is relatively good on the first month or so, the controller will be VERY prone to drifting amongst many other issues after that point. You WILL have to get another controller when that happens, which at this point, just means you should've splurged on an Ultimate instead.
If you're lucky and got the HE Joysticks version (which is the 2C), chances are you might not have these issues with the refresh... But be very careful when you are shopping for those, as the Ultimate C stands for "Cheap"... in many different ways.
You're talking about the 8BitDo Ultimate C then, every Ultimate 2C has Hall Effect joysticks.
@@titan6062 Oh, you might be right. Let me amend the original comment.
Thank you for the heads up!
Yep, exactly this. Mine started acting up in about 2 months, couldn't even finish AC Origins lol so had to fix it right up and just gave it to my cousin to be used as an OK android game controller.
The exact video i was looking for,thank you
I was all set to get an 8bitdo... Saw your review, and in the UK GameSir's new pad at Argos is going for £17.99! Easy purchase, hopefully better than my horrid £12 Xbox 360 controller with loads of deadband...
I have an 8BitDo SN30 Pro and it's pretty great. Only thing is, weirdly enough, the rubber on one of the sticks just... came off. No idea how that happened. Still, aside from that weirdness, it's a very well made controller and I tend towards 8BitDo for the more budget side of things.
Yeah, that material is very susceptible to softening over the years. Put some thumb caps on them asap
I game on PC and Switch and got a Gamesir Tarantula Pro a month ago, and I live in Costa Rica, so it takes quite long to get here, welp, the one I got had a defective Right Trigger and dongle connectivity issues, immediately looked for a cheap option to replace it, and got the Nova Lite Purple, and it's amazing, it just works, no issues, no hussle, it just does what it's supposed to. My main controller from here on.
I am incredibly surprised seeing Gamesir still around and doing better than ever. I have the Gamesir G3S from 8 years ago? Maybe even longer, I got it mainly for playing on Android and PC and it never dissapointed, definitely solid choice imo
Great review, SOLID LIKE!
Thanks man!
Thanks for the review, I cancelled my order for the Ultimate 2c. Such a shame on paper it really seemed like 8bitdo finally made a perfect controller but I guess they are just incapable of that.
Thanks for this video! Reflecting on the functionalities and your impressions on both of these, I went for the Nova Lite. In the past week I've been really enjoying using it on PC and I also plan to use it as a second-player controller for Switch -- actually the main reason for my choice is covering both scenarios with the same (cheap!) product.
So far the only thing I don't love about it is the shape of the triggers, they're kinda thin. I think I'd like the 8bitdo a bit better in this regard. But it's not something that bothers me during normal use.
Love that there are testing games for d-pad. I've had the unfortunate past experiences of getting controllers with frustrating d pads
I do like that they moved the re-mappable buttons to the triggers.
My normal controller is an older 8BitDo Pro+, my brother has the Pro2 and I prefer my older controller for lacking the bottom paddles.
And when creating complex mappings on Steam Deck, I tend to use the triggers and bumpers more for features traditionally on the face buttons.
There I do like the paddles as they don't interfere with my grip as much, but I would rather have more bumpers, so I can fully map the front diamond to them without loosing functionality.
So good to see that newer 8BitDo offerings seem to give this.
Though on the Bluetooth, if it works with Android, it'll work with Linux and most likely Windows too, since Android just implements the basic controller standard.
That's similar to how my Pro+ claims to connect to Raspberry Pi, which actually means any Linux system being able to work with it.
But it might be a matter of what they actively support.
I find it absolutely hilarious that this $30 controller costs $166 in argentina
Great video! I wasn't searching for a new controller, but actually, saw this and I think I will order a GAMESIR. Great convenience and I really LOVE the cover.
Been a long supporter of 8bitdo, but do find their Bluetooth is laggy and frustrating with Retroarch. May be switching to GameSir. Words I didn’t think I’d ever say.
It's nice to know that there are cheap but relatively high-quality controllers out there. I'm not in the market for a new controller at the moment, but I will definitely keep these in mind for when my extremely cheap wired Logitech controllers finally break.
One thing I'd like to add is the grip of the controller always keeps your hands warm for some reason over a smooth feeling one. If you suffer from cold hands this is the controller for you.
I find the hard shell more useful than the charging cable. I could easily find an usb cable, compared to a controller specific hard shell when I need to toss the controller in my backpack
Owned the Ultimate 2C for almost 4 weeks. Imo it's their most premium quality controller yet!
The anti-fraction rings really helps the sticks feel much smoother. The bumpers and hall effect triggers feel fantastic, I love the tactile clickyness of the bumpers and the triggers feels buttery smooth. The extra bumpers are a nice edition, it maybe be confusing at first to set up the programmable bumpers but I got the hang of it quickly. And personally for the d-pad, I can perform fighting game inputs with ease despite the fact it's tactile instead of membrane. Even though if you move around the down part of the d-pad and get diagonal input sometimes, the membrane d-pads also do that as well lol.
Also one last thing to note, the textures of the back grips are much better than prevous Ultimate controllers! They are more akin to the Pro 2 back grip textures and is something that doesn't get much praise!
Also don't get forget to download the Ultimate Software to upgrade the firmware of the Ultimate 2C! You go to the support page on the 8bitdo website, then the Ultimate Software page, and finally the Ultimate Software V2 page will be open if you choose either type of the Ultimate 2C!
I hope everything that I said helps! Try out this controller if you can!
Oh and one special mention: The controller actually works fine with my Steam Deck via bluetooth! I would assume because I've the updated the firmware? But yeah, a really hidden benefit if you wanna use the controller with your Steam Deck without needing the 2.4ghz receiver!
@@cerealbruh919hopefully the 2c comes for the switch soon there’s only the regular c which is still great and I’m not trying to get the $70 ultimate
Interesting that you mention high quality GameSir d-pads. I have a G7SE as my main Xbox controller, and I've noticed while playing Morrowind that the forward and left d-pad buttons will move my character at full speed, while the back and right buttons will move the character at a walk. The d-pad works at full speed in menus, so I dont know if this is just a quirk with Morrowind specifically, or if I'd have problems playing retro games using the d-pad. Controller is only a few months old.
Excellent, thorough review, as per! I pulled the trigger on the Nova Lite. 💪
I picked up the Gamesir light and I love it. I used to get power A controllers but after 3 controllers with a dead right stick I needed a new brand.
bro this is such perfect timing I was literally thinking about buying one of these for my htpc in my living room and then you post a video about these 2 controllers i was thinking of buying edit: the gamesir just arrived and it really good i definitely recommend it feels quality and the hardshell case is really good and i like the triggers if one of my other xbox controllers break ill buy one of these again
Really enjoyed this. Been so used to using to the stock standard Xbox One controller as it just works with most things and have been looking around for something different. I like the line on offer by 8bitdo that goes way back retro wise and I had been contemplating on the SNES style controller but with 2 Playstation placement analogue sticks and their arcade stick to get the old school feel with additional modern touches. The hard case was a intriguing inclusion and should be standard for all wireless controllers. Not exactly what I'm looking for at the moment but great overview nonetheless. Fantastic as always, Russ! 👍
My 8bitdo Ultimate Controller was worth every penny. D-Pad and sticks are perfect, it has rumble, and it wakes up my switch. Annd the fact that it comes with a charging dock really justifies the 60 price for me. But I also think its great that they have so many budget options, 20-30 dollars for an 8bitdo controller is CRAZY competitive
the 50$ Gulikit Kingkong pro 2 is the best money I've ever spent. One of the most comfy and durable controllers out there. Although if I'm buying now I'd look for the kk3 pro or kk3 max.
Only if you are using it wired. Wirelessly it has a horrible input lag. I was very disappointed when I connected it to my nVidia shield ATV box for some retro games. I couldn't use it.
@@zzzoid what? I've used mine for 6 months now. Not an ounce of input lag. I regularly play both on my Android and PC. You got a faulty one, or it's something to do with your nvidia shield. Even reviewers like retro game corps here reviewed it, they didn't report any input lag either.
@@RafidW9 I have mine since 09/2022. Maybe they fixed it with a firmware update later? I read the same on Reddit at the time, many people were disappointed by the exact same thing. I will try to do a FW update that's on their page. Otherwise the controller seems to be awesome, but the input lag on mine is simply unbearable and it was laying in my drawer for almost two years because of it.
@@RafidW9 So I did the firmware update. Tried it again and it seems the problem is in the shield's internal bluetooth receiver. On my PC and Android phone it works well. So I will probably buy a USB Bluetooth dongle for my shield and it should be all solved. Thanks for letting me know! I will finally enjoy the controller after 2 years of collecting dust 😂
Yeah I think the DualSense is more comfortable than Xbox controllers because of the squarishness factor. Was just thinking of that today. It's why I picked up the Pro 2 - the upcoming Zelda Green one :D
Just the video I wanted to see!
Thanks! Gamesir for me! The lack of blutooth for windows etc for the 8bitDo killed it for me.
Mewithoutyou?! You just took me back man! Awesome!
Been using the Nova Lite for Zenless Zone Zero for 3 months now and it's so great for its value.
I switched from elite series 2 to 8bitdo 2c, im very happy with it
I got both, despite being budget and similar in price range, Nova Lite feels like a real budget controller, everything feels cheap and janky about it. It's not a bad controller in any way, you just can't get any lower without having a real bad controller. 2C on the other hand, feels like a proper ~$60 controller, similar to other more expensive 8bitdo Ultimate controllers. So I'd say, for Switch - get a regular Nova with HD rumble, for multiplatform "pc-xbox" like experience, 2C and Flydigi Direwolf 2 are two absolute best budget controllers right now.
P.S. Not sure about 2C dpad, but on 3-Mode dpad is perfect, the best from two worlds of membrane and tact switches buttons, extremely accurate while much softer and quite than other tact switch dpads I've seen. On 19:32 you're showing a stiff dpad with lack of "rolling" capabilites which is a sign of a cheap and bad dpad. Some people can find it as an advantage to avoid accidental diagonal inputs, but it's still a cheap and bad membrane dpad. If I remember correctly 8bitdo software has an option to switch between 4-way and 8-way dpad to avoid unwanted diagonal inputs, for any other cases you just need to choose a controller with dpad that fits your playstyle.
Can the 2C connect to the RP4 using the 2.4g dongle via the dock? This is a key use case for me. Especially if it can accept multiple controllers this way.
Didn't he say the 2c has Bluetooth? Doesn't the rp4 have Bluetooth?
Yeah the retro pocket is android based so if you can plug the dingle in the controller will work
@@JD96893 yes, but 2.4 is a much better connection (lower latency, less fussy)
Picked up the 8bitDo Ultimate 2.4gh with the dock when I got my Odin II a couple months ago. I haven’t had cause to regret it.
Gotta say, the 8bitdo with the charging dock is my pic. I suck at keeping by controllers plugged in and this just makes keeping the entertainment area looking tidy.
Picked up the Nova based on this review. Seems like a really solid controller for the price.
GREAT review! Very detailed like ALL your video's
I have one of the original 8Bitdo SFC30 controllers. I use it to play emulator games on my PC. Even though it came out before the Nintendo Switch, a firmware update release allows me to pair it my Switch and have put hundreds of hours on it.
You can’t go wrong with either of these. I have 2 different 8bitdos and like them, I have 5 different gamesirs including the nova and I love them even more because they fit better in my hand
Thanks for this amazing review as always
Sold me on the Gamesir based on the connectivity and the colors aren't dumb. Been using a Guilikit KingKong 2 on my Archlinux Desktop for the last year. Had some bluetooth issues at first but ironed them out but I still needed a go-to for my Deck. The Gamesir Nova Lite looks like a good option.
18:07 I've really noticed it even in your previous "third strike tests" but this is more prominent here. You always press the punch button way too late that's why the hadouken wouldn't come out. (Ken just ends up punching air while standing.) In some of your older dpad test videos (and just later in the video now that I've rewatched it) you press it too early when you're doing the hadouken motion (Ken punching while he's still ducking). Or sometimes the punch's "negative edge" would just register that's why you're getting a ducking punch immediately with a thrown hadouken. I know you said you're not a good at these fighting game motions but you may want to consistently throw hadoukens first on a controller you're more comfortable then revisit the "third strike" tests again. More of a "when to hit punch" timing thing
That being said I used to have the first version of the Ultimate controller and I do remember that because the placement of the D-pad is too in the middle I also had a hard time doing hadouken motions because the Dpad is just too awkwardly positioned there. It might be more comfortable with folks that have larger hands. The "ultimate" 8bitdo controllers are more for modern sensibilities that use analog directions all the time as opposed to for use with retro games. Now 8bitdo's SN30 and Pro2.. those are the ones you use for retro D-pad centric gaming
Just got me 2 Nova Lites. One for me, one for my son. They're not just good for the pricepoint. They're just good. And I normally play with Xbox controllers.
Come on man, I lived for MadCatz controllers! Did you ever have the one with the giant knob for racing games, kinda like the old Atari wheel controllers, except for N64.... that was a thing of beauty there. We need more MaddCatz in our life today, just saying. ;D
Follow-up video might be 2-3 best options for each system, (windows, steam deck, ps5, switch, iOS, Android) maybe budget and best
It is wild that Gamesir can make a pretty good controller, with hall effect sticks and built-in battery, for half the price of an original Xbox controller. Here in Brazil it is even worse, the Xbox model is four times the price of an imported Gamesir.
The Bluetooth limitation on the 8BitDo 2Cdoes not make sense me. Why restrict compatibility in this way?
I was torn between the GameSir and 8BitDo, but went with the GameSir as it was cheaper. Glad I made the best choice.
I love my 8BitDo Ultimate. I've had it for a few months and its probably the best I have used aside from the PS5 controller.
Tried the GameSir Nova Lite. The polling delay is pretty significant on Android BT, and likely many other connections. Basically you press a button and there's a minor delay, enough to be a show stopper
I noticed gamesir over Bluetooth on almost all controllers will register as PS4 controller over Bluetooth but registered as xbox on a wired connection. This broke my brain when I bought their Galileo 8 Plus
UNBELIEVABLE! I was just about to order second Gamesir Nova Lite gamepad :D And I will!
Personally prefer 8bitdo over Gamesir. My old Gamesir Cyclone had worn out conductive pads and they don't sell replacements. Eventually started to have drift. I replaced it with 8bitdo's 2.4 Ultimate with Hall Effect. It works with PC, Android and iOS.
I'm more interested in PS4/PS5 alternative controller, no offense but I love these controller you mentioned
It would be nice to see more of these as they're the only thing on PC that can have both analog triggers and gyro in a third party controller (besides the old Steam controller I guess).
@@SoundToxin yeah, I hope many small brands make alternative controllers for consoles👍🏿👍🏻
Unreal! Going to be grabbing one of them immediately!
I would like to see a roundup for a bunch of different budget controllers, not just these two. Including stuff like PowerA or AfterGlow.
I own both, I really like the 8bitdo for switch but actually the gamesir replaced my x360 controller for the PC, steamdeck and rog ally when in the dock😊
As far as I know, wired 2Cs don't have hall effect sticks. Also, the previous Ultimate C did not come in less colorways - they have a few that the 2C does not have.