+JCarrollTV Not judgemental are we. I guess I should've clarified it better. I am cheap, I save and pinch every penny im not poor or lazy. I live In the greatest country on earth how can I or anyone be poor that lives here.
Eric, you don't even know how pleased I am to hear you request a 10mm version. Only two carbines I know available to the civilian market and this would be potentially number three. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
so you want them to pump out products that may not be ready for public consumption just to make you happy? if you want cool half finished designs buy a kel tec. they are good for that.
+bill marks If they're confident enough to so much as send some examples out to military and police--you know, users who expect no less than their stuff working 100% of the time--how would that imply anything other than readiness for public consumption? Talk about losing face if they dropped a turd on the special operators who would be the only customer of this system. Granted, even if the demo units are awesome, it doesn't mean the production capability (or market) is there to justify making anything more than prototypes.
+lkjh00on89 There's a reason LWRC's .45 ACP SMG was like a unicorn. It's not some DPMS low end peasant gun. Companies like LWRC don't design firearms to accommodate the average shooter or mass production. When someone picks up an LWRC there's an immediate realization that the firearm will handle anything you throw at it. That sort of reliability and reputation costs money. LWRC doesn't need a lot of shitty sales, they just need those high end user contracts. Trust me, they like money.
H&K could not keep USC in the production - it was discontinued in the 2013. Even if LWRC make a civilian version, it's going to be one production run of about 200 guns and that's it. Get it while you can.
It only failed because of import laws, and because HK usa was too lazy to sell conversion kits or build converted rifles here after they were on US soil.
Thats the coolest thing I've seen at shot so far. Out of modern guns theres not too many that I really like but man, thats a nice SMG. That AR next to it looks damn nice as well. I really like that grey finish.
Would absolutely love to see it 10mm as well, especially since you can use the folding stock like a second for grip and really control the muzzle rise.
LWRC puts out a great product. They are most likely letting LEO test this out an getting feed back. I waited two years for their six8 to come out. Bought one of the first runs and haven't had any issue. I would think in line of $2,500 - $2,700.
Yes! A 10mm version. For those occasions when a entire bus full of bears shows up to crash the party. You want to make sure you got the foot pounds to put them down. :) But seriously. A 10mm would be epic and sell well. The 10mm market is pretty stale right now because there are not that many options. Most of the people who do carry it, do so because in their state they have to worry about two and fore legged threats, and a 10mm will kill anything that walks, swims or fly's in North America with proper shot placement and projectile choice. Plus I mean it's a dandy round for reloaders. There just are not that many commercial options in a cartridge that is rimless, straight walled, and moderately high power. The 10mm is all of those things. Plus with the popularity of the .40S&W. Getting reloading components for the 10mm is pretty easy, as long as you already have the brass.
Kriss Vector is, according to their website, releasing .40 S&W, .357 sig, and 10mm conversion kits by the end of next year. They already have 9mm and .45 caliber. They all run Glock magazines. 'Nuff said.
Sweet. Hey Eric I was wondering where my new gun went. I would like it back please. I'm feeling the need to suppress my symptoms again. It seem to happen alot when I watch one your vids. thanks for the great shot show coverage man.
It would be awesome to see a version in 10 mm or a good quality conversion kit that isn't too expensive so you can use it in 45 and switch it to 10mm when you want a heavier bullet.
They actually showcased this at SHOT 2015. It had only been made into a real firearm from design programming a week or two before the show. I believe they want it to be run through its paces with LEO's and what not before it hits the commercial market. I know some good people at LWRC and have seen changes in a lot of advertised projects that looked different when they hit the market. Working in the industry, it is interesting to see people go nuts for "the new thing" , only to find it doesn't run reliably without tweeking it on the fly or sending it back to the manufacturer. And even then, they sometimes don't run correctly. Ask anyone who bought one of the early KRISS Vectors. I've seen more of them not running or needing weird special attention than running. I've heard the newer ones work better but don't see a whole lot of guys running them at the range.
Yeah there seems to be several unicorns stuck in development.... This and the Crye Precision shotgun that never seems to materialize. There are a few others unfortunately for us... Come on we need more cool shit!!!
yea but to be fair to Crye Precision, they are likely gonna do what Magpul did with the Masada/ACR and source the manufacturing to a gun company, because Crye isn't a weapons manufacturer and they have a history in working to design and prototype products for other companies
I forgot to go to the LWRC Booth ! Damn. Did you see the Hill & Mac Gunworks Sturmgewer ? I saw a lot of new neat things. Got to finally feel the MPT-76. Was very nice. Hopefully we will see that on the civilian market soon.
***** What do you mean "nope?" I said usually, you said they have made one. You just contradicted yourself and didn't challenge anything I said. Are you just butthurt about something and trying to be argumentative or do you have an actual point you're trying to make? I also said MSRP, not the cost of production nor the average sale price. So please, make an actual argument or just stop.
Gun companies tend to watch each other. They come out with this and the marker will fill with this type of weapon and caliber. I'll take one in 5.7 x 28 and 45 acp
Saw this at the 2016 NRA annual meetings. Unfortunately they refuse to release it before 41p/41f goes into effect and they were rather smug about it. Did the government ask them not to release it until then???
"we're not going to release price point because it could change." Translation - " t's an LWRC, you know it's fucking expensive, if you need to ask, you can't afford it"
Just called LWRC and they are still teasing us with the SMG-45. This would be a break out market for AR platforms chambered for 45 ACP. I am not aware of any in the market now, does anyone know why?
They are going to suffer "Beretta ARX-100 Syndrome" if they keep the price above $2k and keep delaying release. It was slated for a 2016 release two years ago. I'm a hardcore LWRC fan and customer but this little gun is perplexing. If they wait too long, and price it too high it will flop.
+TCArmory I don't know, the ARX failed because it was expensive and really ugly. Same with the USC. This gun is very good looking, and LWRC already has little problem extracting many thousands of dollars from wallets for one gun, look at the REPR, it's $3000, and they sell decently.
yup i can justify spending 2k worth of parts on a ar 15 or even on my hunting rifle but 2k on a pistol carbine with a lock breach? might as well buy a glock mos 10mm with 6inch barrel and shoulder it for a quarter of the price.
+Sam Moon i just dont see the point of pistol caliber carbines period especially at that price, if that gun was in 223 or 300blk then yes awesome but even then the 1000 dollar question is what makes it better than me just getting a 10in barrel on my AR. Its a nice gun dont get me wrong its probably worth every penny to someone. And yes for 400 i would shoot a hipoint 45acp atleast that is in production and i can shoulder it.
cgr88m Well, notice the name of the gun is SMG 45? It's a sub machine gun, currently available to LEO/military. To answer your question about what makes it 'better' than a 5.56 AR, in cases where 5.56 would over-penetrate over a .45. Suppressed, this will be quieter than 5.56, even with subsonic 5.56 ammo. This is lighter, and still smaller than a 10" AR. It has a longer barrel, and better optics mounting ability than a pistol with a shoulder stock, so will be more accurate, as well as the ability to hold on to a foregrip giving better control of the weapon. As for the civilian market, I've always liked pistol caliber carbines. They're handy, and yes, even handier than an AR SBR. I would form 1 a pistol of this gun in a heartbeat. My reasons: I absolutely trust LWRC. They make what I consider to be the absolute best ARs, and considering the market is booming for pistol caliber carbines, like the Kriss, the PS-90, the CX4 Storm, the IWI Uzi carbine, and until recently, the H&K USC(which only failed because the civilian model was so different visually from the UMP, and the conversion made an already expensive gun more so) .45 is still extremely popular, as nearly every company making guns either makes a 1911, or some .45 pistol, and people just like having the same ammo in their pistol/shoulder weapon. That's why the most popular rifle/pistol combo in the Old West was the Winchester 1873/ Colt Frontier, both in .44-40. EDIT Considering the popularity of 10mm in the civilian market, whereas it's non-existent in the military, this military oriented SMG was developed in .45. The civilian model will almost certainly be offered in .40 cal, and likely 10mm as well
Law enforcement should not have ANYTHING that is restricted to the citizenry.
Agree 1000%.
TAC-Z this, absolutely
Agree!
You guys rock - best coverage of 2016 Shot show of all the channels.
ar 15 and a ump had a baby
+Tyler Ewing No AR-15 dog shit charging handle :)
+Tyler Ewing More like a MPX and a UMP had a baby.
+Burt Sampson yeah it does
Tyler Ewing
MPX is dog shit tier
+muffemod Never really understood why people hate the AR charging handle. It's not *that* bad. Fine really.
So much stuff I cant afford.
2k is just to expensive for a 9mm.
+Florida*ARMY*VET maybe if you are lazy and don't make much money
+JCarrollTV Not judgemental are we. I guess I should've clarified it better. I am cheap, I save and pinch every penny im not poor or lazy. I live In the greatest country on earth how can I or anyone be poor that lives here.
+Rough Rider99 it's also going to come out in 9 and 40
+TroopperFoFo Take comfort from the fact that you can at least but it. :)
Just logged into YT and there's a whole slew of new videos from Eric and Chad. Thank you guys for all the great coverage :)
For goodness sakes. I'm almost in tears. I want this badly. 😢😢how long will we have to wait
Eric, you don't even know how pleased I am to hear you request a 10mm version. Only two carbines I know available to the civilian market and this would be potentially number three. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
man you hit the nail on the head with the 10mm idea, it would provide a lot more power in a already small package
im so sad this has never been released
Thinking the same thing. WHAT THE FUCK?!
Shipping to dealers during Shot Show 2019
Rebellion citation?
Rebellion1776 bullshit. Where’d you hear that at?
Well, its NRA 2019, and they say summer release.
Thank you for this! Been waiting for someone to keep my dream going. Hurry up LWRC!
I have never been much of a pistol caliber carbine guy but that puppy right there might change my mind.
This thing is BEAUTIFUL. Not just a beautiful gun, but just plain beautiful.
Eric does a great job w these videos. thanks for doing all this !
Thanks for the LWRC coverage. Picking up my 20" REPR on Monday. :)
Great job guys. Awesome video. Just wish it was going to be released a little earlier
That is one of the best looking guns I've seen. Super solid, super compact, and looks quality.
Don't these companies like money? Why don't they ramp up production, drop price and sell a shit load in the US? 10 mm... oh, my.
I assume you run a successful gun company?
David Burke Yes, DeezNutz Firearms.
so you want them to pump out products that may not be ready for public consumption just to make you happy? if you want cool half finished designs buy a kel tec. they are good for that.
+bill marks If they're confident enough to so much as send some examples out to military and police--you know, users who expect no less than their stuff working 100% of the time--how would that imply anything other than readiness for public consumption? Talk about losing face if they dropped a turd on the special operators who would be the only customer of this system.
Granted, even if the demo units are awesome, it doesn't mean the production capability (or market) is there to justify making anything more than prototypes.
+lkjh00on89
There's a reason LWRC's .45 ACP SMG was like a unicorn. It's not some DPMS low end peasant gun.
Companies like LWRC don't design firearms to accommodate the average shooter or mass production. When someone picks up an LWRC there's an immediate realization that the firearm will handle anything you throw at it. That sort of reliability and reputation costs money.
LWRC doesn't need a lot of shitty sales, they just need those high end user contracts. Trust me, they like money.
A unicorn indeed.
H&K could not keep USC in the production - it was discontinued in the 2013. Even if LWRC make a civilian version, it's going to be one production run of about 200 guns and that's it. Get it while you can.
It only failed because of import laws, and because HK usa was too lazy to sell conversion kits or build converted rifles here after they were on US soil.
Thats the coolest thing I've seen at shot so far. Out of modern guns theres not too many that I really like but man, thats a nice SMG. That AR next to it looks damn nice as well. I really like that grey finish.
Sweet, thanks for coverage.
Would absolutely love to see it 10mm as well, especially since you can use the folding stock like a second for grip and really control the muzzle rise.
THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS I'M EXCITED FOR!!!!
Great another year... Been saving for this thing since last year. About to go a different route.
The logo on the dust cover looks like a smiley face from here.
And where it is now??
LWRC puts out a great product. They are most likely letting LEO test this out an getting feed back. I waited two years for their six8 to come out. Bought one of the first runs and haven't had any issue. I would think in line of $2,500 - $2,700.
Thanks to these videos, my "Need to Buy" list has grown exponentially. Now i just have to win the lottery....
+Jones So....Prostitution, then?
Yeah, I'm totally not stroking my beard and pondering the gigolo life.
Yes! A 10mm version. For those occasions when a entire bus full of bears shows up to crash the party. You want to make sure you got the foot pounds to put them down. :) But seriously. A 10mm would be epic and sell well. The 10mm market is pretty stale right now because there are not that many options. Most of the people who do carry it, do so because in their state they have to worry about two and fore legged threats, and a 10mm will kill anything that walks, swims or fly's in North America with proper shot placement and projectile choice. Plus I mean it's a dandy round for reloaders. There just are not that many commercial options in a cartridge that is rimless, straight walled, and moderately high power. The 10mm is all of those things. Plus with the popularity of the .40S&W. Getting reloading components for the 10mm is pretty easy, as long as you already have the brass.
So they made a UMP.
Yes
B&T APC45 found itself a solid competitor
This looks more interesting than a HK USC converted to the UMP profile! And it is LWRC, enough said!
That actually looks a little nicer than the HK UMP cool deal hopefully it will come out soon
Kriss Vector is, according to their website, releasing .40 S&W, .357 sig, and 10mm conversion kits by the end of next year. They already have 9mm and .45 caliber. They all run Glock magazines. 'Nuff said.
To quote Jay: Dude, I think I just filled the cup.
Enjoying mine to this day
was just looking at building a ump but now I will wait and go the sbr route.
Here we are, November 2017, still waiting for the LWRC SMG-45 to hit the civilian market as a pistol
Finally, the .45 gets some love. Seems QuarterCircle10 is still the more affordable route though.
Like that straight magazine looks wicked
Sweet. Hey Eric I was wondering where my new gun went. I would like it back please. I'm feeling the need to suppress my symptoms again. It seem to happen alot when I watch one your vids. thanks for the great shot show coverage man.
It would be awesome to see a version in 10 mm or a good quality conversion kit that isn't too expensive so you can use it in 45 and switch it to 10mm when you want a heavier bullet.
They actually showcased this at SHOT 2015. It had only been made into a real firearm from design programming a week or two before the show. I believe they want it to be run through its paces with LEO's and what not before it hits the commercial market. I know some good people at LWRC and have seen changes in a lot of advertised projects that looked different when they hit the market. Working in the industry, it is interesting to see people go nuts for "the new thing" , only to find it doesn't run reliably without tweeking it on the fly or sending it back to the manufacturer. And even then, they sometimes don't run correctly. Ask anyone who bought one of the early KRISS Vectors. I've seen more of them not running or needing weird special attention than running. I've heard the newer ones work better but don't see a whole lot of guys running them at the range.
I'll buy one if they release it. Love LWRC.
Hey, Eric, while I was watching the start of the video I was thinking: this would be really cool in 10mm. :)
this is just awesome!!! i can't wait for one to come my way, im a .45 acp guy, go big or go home.
wow that gun looked like a piece of ART! nice, expensive too.
So many guns to get but I think I'm going the class 3 route this year since they came up with 41F or whatever it's called that takes effect in June.
This is it. This is the weapon for me.
AMEN Eric, Your a mind reader. I was thinking to myself if only it was 10mm.
If they would do that, I'm all in for a purchase.
Yeah there seems to be several unicorns stuck in development.... This and the Crye Precision shotgun that never seems to materialize. There are a few others unfortunately for us... Come on we need more cool shit!!!
Desert tech
Your right bro, if they snooze they will most likely lose. other manufacturers are going to release something similar and steal their market share...
yea but to be fair to Crye Precision, they are likely gonna do what Magpul did with the Masada/ACR and source the manufacturing to a gun company, because Crye isn't a weapons manufacturer and they have a history in working to design and prototype products for other companies
YES! Chamber it in 10mm, and not that wimpy 10 either. Good stuff, like Buffalo Bore, Underwood, and Doubletap.
I forgot to go to the LWRC Booth ! Damn. Did you see the Hill & Mac Gunworks Sturmgewer ? I saw a lot of new neat things. Got to finally feel the MPT-76. Was very nice. Hopefully we will see that on the civilian market soon.
Another one on the wish list.
coming to you at 2018 shot show. Still no word on price or release date...
looks like an h&k ump.. neat though, as another commenter said 10mm auto would make it a game changer.
Man that thing is pretty
Smh why do pistol carbines and such cost so much defeats the purpose of the cheaper ammo argument. Can someone explain this to me?
+Manny Macfly It's ironic too. A 9mm rifle actually recoils more than a 556 because it's blowback.
Just seems like a scam, people talk about them because oh ammo is cheaper, but the weapon system is 4x more though and is super unreliable lol
Manny Macfly
Agreed. I have been looking at the Scorpion Evo though. Actually reasonably priced and has cheap magazines unlike $60 MP5 mags.
Lion Celica Im a fake Sig fanboy so i would need an MPX but that does seem like a great value weapon system relatively speaking.
Manny Macfly
It's great. I like Sig pistols and by that I mean the 226. The only rifles of theirs I'd buy are the ones actually made in Switzerland.
Holy shit I want one but $2000 is beyond expensive for that puppy
I wish it was in full auto. :(
+rambokicksass77 I wouldn't be surprised if LWRC has full auto versions for law enforcement.
+rambokicksass77 Just not for you.
+Lion Celica what ever happened to shall not be infringed?!
+Dustin Jenkins for defense against tyranny
Yes please, may I have another!!
I'm looking forward to that smg so much
it looks like the Kuda smg from bo3. Nice to see that the developers got the idea from a real gun.
"Could be over 2 grand". It's 3 grand.
Awesome gun! Great content as usual
God I hope they get it under 2k
+The Watcher As awesome as that would be, I really don't see it being any less than 2k based on the price of everything else LWRC makes.
+tenhundredkills
Yeah, a low end AR-15 by LWRC usually MSRP's for over 2k.
A .45 SMG? Probably the same if not more.
*****
What do you mean "nope?" I said usually, you said they have made one. You just contradicted yourself and didn't challenge anything I said. Are you just butthurt about something and trying to be argumentative or do you have an actual point you're trying to make?
I also said MSRP, not the cost of production nor the average sale price.
So please, make an actual argument or just stop.
+The Watcher lol its LWRC nothing is under 2k
SO SWEET!!!
LWRC makes some cool stuff...
This is awesome!
Gun companies tend to watch each other. They come out with this and the marker will fill with this type of weapon and caliber. I'll take one in 5.7 x 28 and 45 acp
Omg...the 'Cuda!!! 😍
Saw this at the 2016 NRA annual meetings. Unfortunately they refuse to release it before 41p/41f goes into effect and they were rather smug about it. Did the government ask them not to release it until then???
all this awesome stuff... and im just sitting here with my mosin...
Wonder how it stacks up against the Flint River Armory CSA45
Now that is darn cool.
will the lwrc take the echo trigger?
Ive been waiting for 3 years .......still waiting.
Scheduled release May-June this year
Coolest concept I've seen of all the Shot Show 2016 so far! Ditto the 10mm carbine...with GLOCK mags, PLEASE!!! THANKS Eric!
Guess you would need a suppressor with a booster like a pistol can to get it to function.
Geissele booth ! they have some cool new stuff out. you need to do a video..
"we're not going to release price point because it could change." Translation - " t's an LWRC, you know it's fucking expensive, if you need to ask, you can't afford it"
Just called LWRC and they are still teasing us with the SMG-45. This would be a break out market for AR platforms chambered for 45 ACP. I am not aware of any in the market now, does anyone know why?
Whatever happened to this thing? It's not on their website, and I've heard nothing about it since this video...
Unless they do come up with a 10mm version. I really don't see why anybody would pick this over the UMP-45...
Looks sweet I may pick up one of these or a ps90
Freaking sweet!
Mpx is my preferred subby
I'm starting to save now!
They are going to suffer "Beretta ARX-100 Syndrome" if they keep the price above $2k and keep delaying release. It was slated for a 2016 release two years ago. I'm a hardcore LWRC fan and customer but this little gun is perplexing. If they wait too long, and price it too high it will flop.
+TCArmory I don't know, the ARX failed because it was expensive and really ugly. Same with the USC. This gun is very good looking, and LWRC already has little problem extracting many thousands of dollars from wallets for one gun, look at the REPR, it's $3000, and they sell decently.
yup i can justify spending 2k worth of parts on a ar 15 or even on my hunting rifle but 2k on a pistol carbine with a lock breach? might as well buy a glock mos 10mm with 6inch barrel and shoulder it for a quarter of the price.
cgr88m By that same logic, you might as well buy a Hi Point .45 carbine for $400
+Sam Moon i just dont see the point of pistol caliber carbines period especially at that price, if that gun was in 223 or 300blk then yes awesome but even then the 1000 dollar question is what makes it better than me just getting a 10in barrel on my AR. Its a nice gun dont get me wrong its probably worth every penny to someone. And yes for 400 i would shoot a hipoint 45acp atleast that is in production and i can shoulder it.
cgr88m Well, notice the name of the gun is SMG 45? It's a sub machine gun, currently available to LEO/military.
To answer your question about what makes it 'better' than a 5.56 AR, in cases where 5.56 would over-penetrate over a .45. Suppressed, this will be quieter than 5.56, even with subsonic 5.56 ammo. This is lighter, and still smaller than a 10" AR. It has a longer barrel, and better optics mounting ability than a pistol with a shoulder stock, so will be more accurate, as well as the ability to hold on to a foregrip giving better control of the weapon.
As for the civilian market, I've always liked pistol caliber carbines. They're handy, and yes, even handier than an AR SBR. I would form 1 a pistol of this gun in a heartbeat. My reasons: I absolutely trust LWRC. They make what I consider to be the absolute best ARs, and considering the market is booming for pistol caliber carbines, like the Kriss, the PS-90, the CX4 Storm, the IWI Uzi carbine, and until recently, the H&K USC(which only failed because the civilian model was so different visually from the UMP, and the conversion made an already expensive gun more so)
.45 is still extremely popular, as nearly every company making guns either makes a 1911, or some .45 pistol, and people just like having the same ammo in their pistol/shoulder weapon. That's why the most popular rifle/pistol combo in the Old West was the Winchester 1873/ Colt Frontier, both in .44-40.
EDIT Considering the popularity of 10mm in the civilian market, whereas it's non-existent in the military, this military oriented SMG was developed in .45. The civilian model will almost certainly be offered in .40 cal, and likely 10mm as well
That's a Beauty
Over two years later and we got nothing :(
Beautiful
push sig and cz for a 45 and 10mm
this thing will be just like evrything else from them, LEO only or big promise no delivery.
Have you done a video on the Hi-point apc 45 carbine they have for around 300 bucks. Have seen several TH-cam videos on it and it's a sweet gun.
Still waiting for it in 2018
Eric I’m waiting for the review.
sweeeet looking little thing
Is the 10mm coming back? I thought 40 s&w took over.
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference between this and a Carbine kit you add a 9mm Glock or .45 1911 to (besides the obvious)
Short recoil SMG? Sweet.
You know that was there last year