...I've actually wached this video 9 to 10 months ago when I was starting learning Mandarin. And after re-watching it today after ten months, and hovering over a few comments, it somehow confirms my thoughts about language learning and especially Mandarin learning. The fact that people are spreading the idea that with HSK6 level, which means you have more than 5.300 words, you still can't be "fluent" in Speaking, your Writing kind of sucks, and even your Listenning hardly makes to 70% of TVs, all of this definetly confirms this: 1. People are memorising words from the HSK1 list to the HSK6 list. As a result, they do have 5.000 words, but a lot of them are no more relevant today; and a lot more have been created over time. Not to mention the slangs which follow the same rules. Taking my case as an exemple, after 10 months of learning Mandarin, I've gathered more than 2.000 words, but if you gave me an HSK4 test (1.200 words), I'd certainly fail it (unless I took 2 months to actually prepare specifically for it). Because in my set of 2.000+ words, I have countless of them which are from the HSK5 and HSK6 lists, and countless others which are even inexistant from those old HSK lists (you know it when checking a word). This is because I learn my vocab exclusivly though context: TH-cam videos/podcasts (litterally all the time, actively or passively); Anime for kids (mainly Peppa Pig, which I can now understand 100% with my 2.000 words); and the most important one, reading (DúChinese the best, LingQ etc..) This way you can "absorb" words (not memorise) regardless of whether they are from the HSK4 or the HSK7. ... And the way I see it, if I continue to learn this way, when I get 5.300 words (same number as HSK6), I'll be able to "fully" understand Chinese Drama and native podcasts. (I gave myself 4 years for that). This reply is more for the comments I read than for the video itself. Because I know that if I had read those comments when I was starting, I'd have probably given up rightaway. Have in mind that those lists have been put in place more than two dacades ago, and languages evolve thoughout time. ...Besides, vocab is not all, memorise as much words as you want, if you dont throw off your textbooks early enough, if you don't listen and read a lot, you'll end up writing the the same comments as those on this video in a few years, if you don't give up before you even get there.
Very realistic video, I think there is quite a large discrepancy between the language and the HSK tests. I passed HSK5 earlier this year, after having only studied the language for a little under a year at that point. I'm already 'ready' to pass the HSK6, but wanting to study for a couple more months, just to push for a higher score. All of that being said, you can quickly grasp the level of Chinese that is within HSK, but to truly master the language takes time (years, or not a lifetime). I'm now approaching 2 years of studying the language, I live in Beijing (I moved here early 2020) and had to learn the language. I'm in quite a "Chinese environment" and can converse on most topics relatively freely. But I do not sound eloquent and I would certainly have difficulty going very deep on difficult subjects. I have heard however 'comfort' in the language occurs around 8,000. Keep it up guys!
@@JaponicaBelichii Depends on your circumstances brother. 5k isn't enough to work in a corporate environment, certainly not if you're in a high profession (engineering, finance, law, medicine or tech)
I think the problem is people are preparing for the hsk exam and not life, I’m preparing for hsk 2 but my vocabulary is much bigger than what is required. In addition to the hsk word list I’m learning words so I can grocery shop and have daily interactions with people. If I am eating something I learn the word in Chinese. I work in healthcare so I already know a lot of parts of the body. The key is making it practical for you!
Very much agree with the sentiments shared here. I am studying HSK6 material (and possess a vocabulary around 5000 words) and find my reading skills far surpass my ability to understand and speak fluently in real world situations. I would even say watching TV, 50% understanding may be generous depending on the kind of material, and the degree to which it improves with Chinese subtitles depends on how fast you can really read. I used to think being able more or less read a newspaper (with a dictionary) would surely imply fluency in listening and speaking long before this point, but realistically these are very different skills and needs dedicated attention and practice to each. Reading, it turns out, is way easier to do a lot of on your own than speaking or listening unless you live in an environment where you are interacting primarily with natives. I find even knowing a lot of vocabulary may not be helpful in listening if you don’t have enough familiarity with the vocabulary to anticipate what words might actually be spoken in real context. Likewise, it’s really easy to not understand how to properly use a good number of words in context because of subtleties not easily understood when learning words through translation. It surely takes thousands of hours to gain all of these skills and obtain native level proficiency.
@@lining5090 Absolutely. It's hard to comprehend how different HSK4 is from native. In any real, practical sense even HSK6 is an entirely different ball game from "native" (and even comparing HSK6 to "fluent" is fairly generous if you interpret that to actually mean being competently able to listen, speak, read/write in all situations). Don't be fooled by descriptions of HSK6 that tell you HSK6 is like native and you can confidently communicate in all situations at that standard; it's absolutely not that. I think the new HSK standard classifying HSK6 is upper intermediate is a pretty fair way to describe ability at that standard. BTW: HSK4 -> HSK6 is also a big journey itself that will take way more effort than it took to get to HSK4 (in the existing HSK system, it's basically >4x the vocab), so plan on a huge investment in time even to get to HSK6 (let alone native!). And then there's the practical matter that HSK is honestly just a standard way to measure ability, but real world communication is way more complex than a fixed set of words and grammar points. As an example: even in HSK6 learners are probably only starting to become aware that there are words and phrases used to express yourself in formal/written Chinese that do not often appear in spoken language and vice versa (take 倘若 vs 如果 for instance). Then there's countless subtleties in differences in words that translate the same that are very hard for non-natives to know when one is appropriate vs another (take for example 遵守，遵照，遵循), but choosing the wrong one sounds immediately awkward to natives. Knowing when and how to use these words beyond knowing what they mean takes TONS of experience (you won't get this just by studying HSK). Then there's a huge number of idioms in Chinese, even in every day conversation that HSK barely scratches the surface on. Add to that, educated natives will have familiarity with classical Chinese through schooling, and the difference between that and contemporary Chinese is like night and day. All of this is also not even to mention each of the skills (reading, writing, speaking, and listening) need dedicated practice (proficiency in listening does not imply proficiency in speaking; nor does proficiency in reading necessarily mean proficiency in writing). Think of how many hours children spend in learning these skills even through high school, and you'll see thousands of hours is actually very realistic. For me personally, I have comfortably been in the HSK6 level for some time (and still study a few hours daily) and frequently can encounter situations where I have to guess what the meaning is of something I heard or read, and stumble trying to find which words to use when speaking or writing. It's truly a case of the more I learn, the more I realize I need to learn. My advice is don't focus on the labels for HSKx or "fluent" or "native". Enjoy the process of learning, and keep at it. As you study more, you will imperceptibly reach milestones where you realize you can do things you couldn't do before, which are very rewarding. That said, be prepared to be humbled by just how much there really is to learn along the way.
learning Chinese / Mandarin is long-life learning, especially when you're not in China.... the Hanzi, the idioms, the tones, etc... I sometimes watch Wuxia dramas and the actors / actresses don't pronounce standard Putonghua. For example : 需要 is pronounced 'xuyou' instead of 'xuyao' 生气 is pronounced 'shengxi' instead of 'shengqi'. 吃 , which should be pronounced 'chi', is pronounced somewhere between 'ch' and 'sh' instead of strong 'ch'..
I studied for HSK 6 in an all out war within 1 and a half years instead of the 5000 recommended vocabulary I'm now at almost 10000 now. Whenever you read a book or see a movie you'll encounter so much more words (not even including some dialects popular phrases) but with a vocabulary of 7000 you can go quite well IF!!! you also learn each sign because from here you'll see that many word's meaning can be guessed by context in literature however speech well go for the 10k instead
@@JaponicaBelichii I passed an official B1 exam in Italian and Spanish as well as B2 exam in Dutch after 3 months of studying. If you don't believe me I can send PDF of it. But I study day and night even at work if I can (which I could back than since I was working with machinery but now can't since I changed into programming)
I am glad that you talk about this topic realistically since most comments online come from languages companies pretending to make things really straightforward. Thank you. Also, you did not mention the handwriting at all which you don't. need the skill also to pass any hsk teast..
Simultaneous interpretation sounds like a nice challenge....i would love to be able to do that. I am 42 yo and scientist but languages are more interesting. I dream of being a translator and interpreter Mandarin to german some day
@@ayi3455 ja, ich bin deutscher, oder besser gesagt deutsch-brite. Indonesien ist ein interessantes Land und weit weg von hier. Naja vielleicht besuche ich es mal. Viele grüße
Chinese is such a difficult language in so many ways. I have spent 1000 s of hours trying to pass HSK 5 , I will give up on this and focus on speaking as level 5 covers a lot of vocabulary, enough to do most stuff And now they have come up with HSK 9 😥
@@ayi3455 the mistake I made was I did not learn characters when I started learning , I learnt my first character a few months back . This made me waste a lot of time relearning the process , as long as you are learning characters , it's only a matter of time before you pass HSK 4 easily
@@riza3143 You started to learn characters a few months ago......??? and yet you could pass Hsk-5......??? Really.....?? My teachers learned Chinese formally at Chinese departmen in a university, and yet they passed Hsk-5 in the end. I wouldn't be surprised.... I repeat memorizing charactets almost everyday, again and again, yet I don't remember the scratches precisely... Even natives Chinese, when they are tested to write high-level characters, they don't do it smoothly.... For every language that I have learned, and so do my daughter who also likes to learn languages, it is the listening skill. For alphabetic languages such as English, German, French, even Russian, reading is relatively easier compared to listening... I speak German. When reading German, it is easier for me compared with listening to DW channel of Germany. As for Chinese, both reading and listening have the same level of difficulties... However, it is easier to practice listening skill, because I can turn on Chinese-speaking channels in YT while doing something else, unlike reading, in which I have to scrutinize the article to understand what it's all about....
if you were to place the hsk6 on the western cefr scale would you rather say it corresponds to the b2 level taking into account the lately introduced hsk7-9 levels?
non of my Chinese teachers have Hsk-6. Three of them only have Hsk-5, though they have already lived in China or in Taiwan for 1 - 2 years... I personally only got Hsk-3 in October 2019.... I don't know if I'll take Hsk-4 someday. I hope at the end of this year, but they say, the Hsk test-system have changed....
Damn... so your teachers aren't native speakers? I passed HSK 6, lived in China for 6 years, lived with a Chinese girl speaking only Chinese, read quite a few books and still feel like I'm not ready to teach anyone. 😂
with languages in general, there's a difference between studying/practicing language for tests and then using it in real life face to face conversations. if you are serious about a language you need to study/practice outside the classroom and use it practically. the teacher/tutor in the classroom is there to help augment your studying and can be a great benefit but they alone can't do enough work, you must also take it upon yourself to go over and beyond. this is why all over the world people take secondary languages in school for many years but they can't hold a conversation, because they have no interest and only studying it for classes and tests don't bother using it outside of it. the main language im training to learn is korean (but also started learning chinese too) and i also tried studying for awhile on and off, i was getting nowhere. it was only when i participated in a bunch of language exchanges and spoke with natives that my ability skyrocketed immensely and quicker than ever before. i think that speaking, reading, and listening are different skills that you have to train separately. if you study for a test that only has listening and reading, and you only train in those areas, then ofc your speaking skills don't develop sorry for the long post lol
Can you understand and read fluently some classic literatures like red dream mansion, the romance of 3 kingdoms, and outlaws of the marsh? These books are quite similar to contemporary Chinese but with some differences in terms of lexicon, grammar.
You can read and understand most of the texts (modern texts), sometimes check up the dictionary of characters you didn't learn before or forgot the meaning of. In old texts, different way of writing, and some are just one character worded compared to modern 2 character structure for one word. And thus, you learn the meaning of each word while reading an old literature.
In the university learning, HSK 6 is useless when you have to take the exam with the native. To me, it is more like to sell the teaching services to the foreigners. It is just like usingTOEFL to take classes in the university.
As for books, I prefer to follow this way: start with children's books translated from your language into Chinese, then go for Chinese children books, then increase the difficulty of the books and go from translations to original chinese literuature
I'm not the up主, but if for some reason you want to speak better Chinese, check out some TH-camrs like “hello Chinese intermediate listening， 海伦子Helen， 帅so serious, 马斯瑞， repeat with them whatever they say and it will skyrocket your Chinese. As for reading... Download 小红书， or 知乎 and read whatever ppl share there. :) Unsolicited advice I know, lol
You are talking about HSK 6 like it’s hsk4😂, daily basis conversation, story telling, describing etc you actually are able to do after finishing hsk 4 and if you’re immersed with Chinese around you. It’s pretty easy to pick up new words and learn them just by hearing. My friends and seniors who have HSK6 actually do the translations and business works. Hsk 5 is fluent level and by hsk 6 you’ll be able to understand formal language
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...I've actually wached this video 9 to 10 months ago when I was starting learning Mandarin. And after re-watching it today after ten months, and hovering over a few comments, it somehow confirms my thoughts about language learning and especially Mandarin learning.
The fact that people are spreading the idea that with HSK6 level, which means you have more than 5.300 words, you still can't be "fluent" in Speaking, your Writing kind of sucks, and even your Listenning hardly makes to 70% of TVs, all of this definetly confirms this:
1. People are memorising words from the HSK1 list to the HSK6 list. As a result, they do have 5.000 words, but a lot of them are no more relevant today; and a lot more have been created over time. Not to mention the slangs which follow the same rules.
Taking my case as an exemple, after 10 months of learning Mandarin, I've gathered more than 2.000 words, but if you gave me an HSK4 test (1.200 words), I'd certainly fail it (unless I took 2 months to actually prepare specifically for it).
Because in my set of 2.000+ words, I have countless of them which are from the HSK5 and HSK6 lists, and countless others which are even inexistant from those old HSK lists (you know it when checking a word).
This is because I learn my vocab exclusivly though context: TH-cam videos/podcasts (litterally all the time, actively or passively); Anime for kids (mainly Peppa Pig, which I can now understand 100% with my 2.000 words); and the most important one, reading (DúChinese the best, LingQ etc..)
This way you can "absorb" words (not memorise) regardless of whether they are from the HSK4 or the HSK7.
... And the way I see it, if I continue to learn this way, when I get 5.300 words (same number as HSK6), I'll be able to "fully" understand Chinese Drama and native podcasts. (I gave myself 4 years for that).
This reply is more for the comments I read than for the video itself. Because I know that if I had read those comments when I was starting, I'd have probably given up rightaway.
Have in mind that those lists have been put in place more than two dacades ago, and languages evolve thoughout time.
...Besides, vocab is not all, memorise as much words as you want, if you dont throw off your textbooks early enough, if you don't listen and read a lot, you'll end up writing the the same comments as those on this video in a few years, if you don't give up before you even get there.
I would disagree, if you knew the 5000 words and learned how to use them , you would definitely be fluent, I'm currently preparing for the HSK5
I agree with you! If don't learn vocab from reality everything is just nothing.
Very realistic video, I think there is quite a large discrepancy between the language and the HSK tests. I passed HSK5 earlier this year, after having only studied the language for a little under a year at that point. I'm already 'ready' to pass the HSK6, but wanting to study for a couple more months, just to push for a higher score. All of that being said, you can quickly grasp the level of Chinese that is within HSK, but to truly master the language takes time (years, or not a lifetime). I'm now approaching 2 years of studying the language, I live in Beijing (I moved here early 2020) and had to learn the language. I'm in quite a "Chinese environment" and can converse on most topics relatively freely. But I do not sound eloquent and I would certainly have difficulty going very deep on difficult subjects. I have heard however 'comfort' in the language occurs around 8,000. Keep it up guys!
Bro 8000 is too much. You can feel solid by knowing around 4000-5000 words
@@JaponicaBelichii Depends on your circumstances brother. 5k isn't enough to work in a corporate environment, certainly not if you're in a high profession (engineering, finance, law, medicine or tech)
@@WilliamWGG88 I’m studying in medical college bro. Second year internship-ing in affiliated hospital
@@JaponicaBelichii 👏keep going brother!
I think the problem is people are preparing for the hsk exam and not life, I’m preparing for hsk 2 but my vocabulary is much bigger than what is required. In addition to the hsk word list I’m learning words so I can grocery shop and have daily interactions with people. If I am eating something I learn the word in Chinese. I work in healthcare so I already know a lot of parts of the body. The key is making it practical for you!
I got Hsk-3, but it seems, your skill is better than mine...
I’m studying for HSK4 now... long way to go
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Very much agree with the sentiments shared here. I am studying HSK6 material (and possess a vocabulary around 5000 words) and find my reading skills far surpass my ability to understand and speak fluently in real world situations. I would even say watching TV, 50% understanding may be generous depending on the kind of material, and the degree to which it improves with Chinese subtitles depends on how fast you can really read. I used to think being able more or less read a newspaper (with a dictionary) would surely imply fluency in listening and speaking long before this point, but realistically these are very different skills and needs dedicated attention and practice to each. Reading, it turns out, is way easier to do a lot of on your own than speaking or listening unless you live in an environment where you are interacting primarily with natives. I find even knowing a lot of vocabulary may not be helpful in listening if you don’t have enough familiarity with the vocabulary to anticipate what words might actually be spoken in real context. Likewise, it’s really easy to not understand how to properly use a good number of words in context because of subtleties not easily understood when learning words through translation. It surely takes thousands of hours to gain all of these skills and obtain native level proficiency.
Yes, I absolutely agree
Still need thousands more hours to reach a native level in Chinese from HSK4? Is Chinese that difficult?
@@lining5090 Absolutely. It's hard to comprehend how different HSK4 is from native.
In any real, practical sense even HSK6 is an entirely different ball game from "native" (and even comparing HSK6 to "fluent" is fairly generous if you interpret that to actually mean being competently able to listen, speak, read/write in all situations). Don't be fooled by descriptions of HSK6 that tell you HSK6 is like native and you can confidently communicate in all situations at that standard; it's absolutely not that. I think the new HSK standard classifying HSK6 is upper intermediate is a pretty fair way to describe ability at that standard.
BTW: HSK4 -> HSK6 is also a big journey itself that will take way more effort than it took to get to HSK4 (in the existing HSK system, it's basically >4x the vocab), so plan on a huge investment in time even to get to HSK6 (let alone native!). And then there's the practical matter that HSK is honestly just a standard way to measure ability, but real world communication is way more complex than a fixed set of words and grammar points.
As an example: even in HSK6 learners are probably only starting to become aware that there are words and phrases used to express yourself in formal/written Chinese that do not often appear in spoken language and vice versa (take 倘若 vs 如果 for instance). Then there's countless subtleties in differences in words that translate the same that are very hard for non-natives to know when one is appropriate vs another (take for example 遵守，遵照，遵循), but choosing the wrong one sounds immediately awkward to natives. Knowing when and how to use these words beyond knowing what they mean takes TONS of experience (you won't get this just by studying HSK).
Then there's a huge number of idioms in Chinese, even in every day conversation that HSK barely scratches the surface on. Add to that, educated natives will have familiarity with classical Chinese through schooling, and the difference between that and contemporary Chinese is like night and day. All of this is also not even to mention each of the skills (reading, writing, speaking, and listening) need dedicated practice (proficiency in listening does not imply proficiency in speaking; nor does proficiency in reading necessarily mean proficiency in writing).
Think of how many hours children spend in learning these skills even through high school, and you'll see thousands of hours is actually very realistic. For me personally, I have comfortably been in the HSK6 level for some time (and still study a few hours daily) and frequently can encounter situations where I have to guess what the meaning is of something I heard or read, and stumble trying to find which words to use when speaking or writing. It's truly a case of the more I learn, the more I realize I need to learn.
My advice is don't focus on the labels for HSKx or "fluent" or "native". Enjoy the process of learning, and keep at it. As you study more, you will imperceptibly reach milestones where you realize you can do things you couldn't do before, which are very rewarding. That said, be prepared to be humbled by just how much there really is to learn along the way.
learning Chinese / Mandarin is long-life learning, especially when you're not in China....
the Hanzi, the idioms, the tones, etc...
I sometimes watch Wuxia dramas and the actors / actresses don't pronounce standard Putonghua.
For example : 需要
is pronounced 'xuyou' instead of 'xuyao'
生气 is pronounced 'shengxi' instead of 'shengqi'.
吃 , which should be pronounced 'chi',
is pronounced somewhere between 'ch' and 'sh' instead of strong 'ch'..
I studied for HSK 6 in an all out war within 1 and a half years instead of the 5000 recommended vocabulary I'm now at almost 10000 now. Whenever you read a book or see a movie you'll encounter so much more words (not even including some dialects popular phrases) but with a vocabulary of 7000 you can go quite well IF!!! you also learn each sign because from here you'll see that many word's meaning can be guessed by context in literature however speech well go for the 10k instead
Yes, the recommended vocab is ridiculously not enough, I agree
It's amazing, learn 10,000 words this year and a half? You are awesome, this is the level of a native speaker, right?
Get the hell out. You’ve learned 7k words in one and half year? Bull crap
@@JaponicaBelichii I passed an official B1 exam in Italian and Spanish as well as B2 exam in Dutch after 3 months of studying. If you don't believe me I can send PDF of it. But I study day and night even at work if I can (which I could back than since I was working with machinery but now can't since I changed into programming)
@@hansudowolfrahm4856 If it’s true. You’re talented, keep up what you do 💪
I am glad that you talk about this topic realistically since most comments online come from languages companies pretending to make things really straightforward. Thank you. Also, you did not mention the handwriting at all which you don't. need the skill also to pass any hsk teast..
Simultaneous interpretation sounds like a nice challenge....i would love to be able to do that. I am 42 yo and scientist but languages are more interesting. I dream of being a translator and interpreter Mandarin to german some day
加油！
Bist du Deutsch....???
Ich lerne einige Spräche nur zum Spaß.
Ich bin Indonesien und bin 52.
@@ayi3455 ja, ich bin deutscher, oder besser gesagt deutsch-brite. Indonesien ist ein interessantes Land und weit weg von hier. Naja vielleicht besuche ich es mal. Viele grüße
@@a.g.4843
Vielen Dank...
Auf Wiedersehen....
Chinese is such a difficult language in so many ways.
I have spent 1000 s of hours trying to pass HSK 5 , I will give up on this and focus on speaking as level 5 covers a lot of vocabulary, enough to do most stuff
And now they have come up with HSK 9 😥
Right, speaking should be a priority when we learn unless we absolutely need the certificate for a university or a scholarship
Congrats.
I've spent 1000 hours only got Hsk-3, and it seems to me my skills stuck in Hsk-4...
@@ayi3455 the mistake I made was I did not learn characters when I started learning , I learnt my first character a few months back .
This made me waste a lot of time relearning the process , as long as you are learning characters , it's only a matter of time before you pass HSK 4 easily
@@riza3143
You started to learn characters a few months ago......???
and yet you could pass Hsk-5......???
Really.....??
My teachers learned Chinese formally at Chinese departmen in a university, and yet they passed Hsk-5 in the end.
I wouldn't be surprised....
I repeat memorizing charactets almost everyday, again and again, yet I don't remember the scratches precisely...
Even natives Chinese, when they are tested to write high-level characters, they don't do it smoothly....
For every language that I have learned, and so do my daughter who also likes to learn languages, it is the listening skill.
For alphabetic languages such as English, German, French, even Russian, reading is relatively easier compared to listening...
I speak German.
When reading German, it is easier for me compared with listening to DW channel of Germany.
As for Chinese, both reading and listening have the same level of difficulties...
However, it is easier to practice listening skill, because I can turn on Chinese-speaking channels in YT while doing something else, unlike reading, in which I have to scrutinize the article to understand what it's all about....
if you were to place the hsk6 on the western cefr scale would you rather say it corresponds to the b2 level taking into account the lately introduced hsk7-9 levels?
How do you learn chinese??
Love your video! 😍
non of my Chinese teachers have Hsk-6.
Three of them only have Hsk-5, though they have already lived in China or in Taiwan for 1 - 2 years...
I personally only got Hsk-3 in October 2019....
I don't know if I'll take Hsk-4 someday.
I hope at the end of this year, but they say, the Hsk test-system have changed....
Damn... so your teachers aren't native speakers?
I passed HSK 6, lived in China for 6 years, lived with a Chinese girl speaking only Chinese, read quite a few books and still feel like I'm not ready to teach anyone. 😂
@@jamesrimes2870
No, they're not....
@@ayi3455 maybe they are good teachers tho. Hope they are.
@@jamesrimes2870
Yes, they are..
although they have been in China or Taiwan for 2 years, they only have Hsk-5 ....
Well said.
Can you remember the qian zi wen? If you can perhaps you can teach us how to do it?
Thank you for sharing
Obviously you are a Genius!
haha, by no means, just like learning languages:)
with languages in general, there's a difference between studying/practicing language for tests and then using it in real life face to face conversations. if you are serious about a language you need to study/practice outside the classroom and use it practically. the teacher/tutor in the classroom is there to help augment your studying and can be a great benefit but they alone can't do enough work, you must also take it upon yourself to go over and beyond. this is why all over the world people take secondary languages in school for many years but they can't hold a conversation, because they have no interest and only studying it for classes and tests don't bother using it outside of it.
the main language im training to learn is korean (but also started learning chinese too) and i also tried studying for awhile on and off, i was getting nowhere. it was only when i participated in a bunch of language exchanges and spoke with natives that my ability skyrocketed immensely and quicker than ever before.
i think that speaking, reading, and listening are different skills that you have to train separately. if you study for a test that only has listening and reading, and you only train in those areas, then ofc your speaking skills don't develop
sorry for the long post lol
谢谢!
谢谢你的反馈！
How many Chinese characters can you write?
Can you understand and read fluently some classic literatures like red dream mansion, the romance of 3 kingdoms, and outlaws of the marsh? These books are quite similar to contemporary Chinese but with some differences in terms of lexicon, grammar.
Of course not, I never studied wenyan, only modern Chinese
You can read and understand most of the texts (modern texts), sometimes check up the dictionary of characters you didn't learn before or forgot the meaning of. In old texts, different way of writing, and some are just one character worded compared to modern 2 character structure for one word. And thus, you learn the meaning of each word while reading an old literature.
Can you teach us how to remember the entire qian zi wen?
Thanks so much 🙏🙏🙏
In the university learning, HSK 6 is useless when you have to take the exam with the native. To me, it is more like to sell the teaching services to the foreigners. It is just like usingTOEFL to take classes in the university.
How can improve Chinese speaking?
Listen to anything in Chinese more
friends in Chinese? What? Where :D
Can you recommend novels or small books ? :)
Lovely greetings from Germany oh
Well, I have some lovely friends from my China days, but of course it's harder to find them outside China
As for books, I prefer to follow this way: start with children's books translated from your language into Chinese, then go for Chinese children books, then increase the difficulty of the books and go from translations to original chinese literuature
@@OutmazeChinese ah, I thought you have meant the serial 🤣😅
I'm not the up主, but if for some reason you want to speak better Chinese, check out some TH-camrs like “hello Chinese intermediate listening，
海伦子Helen，
帅so serious,
马斯瑞， repeat with them whatever they say and it will skyrocket your Chinese. As for reading... Download 小红书， or 知乎 and read whatever ppl share there. :)
Unsolicited advice I know, lol
You are talking about HSK 6 like it’s hsk4😂, daily basis conversation, story telling, describing etc you actually are able to do after finishing hsk 4 and if you’re immersed with Chinese around you. It’s pretty easy to pick up new words and learn them just by hearing. My friends and seniors who have HSK6 actually do the translations and business works. Hsk 5 is fluent level and by hsk 6 you’ll be able to understand formal language
Exactly. This video is so irrelevant. With hsk5 you can write actual texts. Not just hello how are you type of dialogues
Exactly. This video is so irrelevant. With hsk5 you can write actual texts. Not just hello how are you type of dialogues
Exactly. This video is so irrelevant. With hsk5 you can write actual texts. Not just hello how are you type of dialogues
Exactly. This video is so irrelevant. With hsk5 you can write actual texts. Not just hello how are you type of dialogues