I was scared of playing the master pieces as a kid. I was told that the timer is all the time you get to play the games, ever. I avoided the masterpieces since I didn't want to waste my one chance to play the games. It wasn't until this video that I learned that they were replayable...
I have a very specific memory about Masterpieces. One day I just started playing the Kirby’s Adventure masterpiece over and over and trying to get as far as I could before it timed me out. I also ate a ton of Wild Grape Pop Tarts, which I don’t even like that much? It’s a strangely vivid, hyper-nostalgic memory, yet I wouldn’t say that it had much influence on me. I did eventually play Kirby’s Epic Yarn and I enjoyed it, but Brawl’s core gameplay was more responsible for that; haven’t played a Kirby game since.
LOL the grape pop tart part got me. I get the feeling though. Sometimes those memories that have no business sticking out just do, but they're often among the best
@@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi Thank you! Comes from me making my load out mostly explosives in Call of Duty. Rocket Launcher to the face? Probably the Robert Launcher 😂
I just love that, practically out of spite, speedrunners have figured out how to "beat" Ocarina of Time within the Brawl Masterpiece time limit, in two different ways: a Credits warp on one of the offered save files, and beating Ganon on the other save file.
I think there was some kind of shift in the company mindset that occurred between Animal Crossing and the Wii Era. I remember Reggie had to fight INSANELY hard to get them to include Wii Sports with the Wii because they more or less “didn’t want to have developers work hard on a game and then disrespect those developers by giving away their game for free.” Of course, the masterpieces are the way they are so you feel like you have to actually buy them on the virtual console, but that “no games for free” mindset probably played a role too. If I’m remembering it right, Retro also wanted to include Super Metroid in with Prime as a completion bonus, but Nintendo axed it.
The reason Nintendo vetoed Super Metroid's inclusion from Prime is that it used a 3rd-party SNES emulator, and no such official emulator existed. Instead Prime's completion bonus was changed to Metroid 1, using a 1st-party official NES emulator from Nintendo (the same one used for Animal Crossing, I believe).
The idea that giving it for free disrespects the developers makes no sense once you realize that developers don't make money from sales. Like at all. This is why piracy is okay, the only people making money off sales are useless parasites in suits
The reason you think “you can’t bake your cake and eat it too” is a dumb saying is because that’s not the saying. It’s “you can’t HAVE it and eat it too.” Cuz once you eat it you don’t have it anymore, it’s gone because you ate it. Changing eat to bake makes it meaningless
(Timestamp is 15:35 by the way) I've heard both before, and I always assumed the misnomer came from the concept of giving or selling the cake to someone else
i always thought the actual phrase was dumb, too, because for the longest time i was thinking of the word "have" as a synonym for "eat" (e.g. "i'm going to have steak for dinner tonight) lol
@@tsunderecat413 Even if you don't think of it as such, it's still a dumb saying. If you choose to have the cake rather than eating it, what the hell are you doing with it? The entire purpose of a cake is to be eaten, if you don't eat it, then the cake will just go stale, and that's just a waste of food, the ingredients used to make it, and the time and effort put into making it.
It still makes no fucking sense. Because if you’re having a cake then that would mean you’re eating it. Which makes the quote meaningless. Like cake is a food that you consume.
Think of the phrase more historically as a cake that you, a rich person, might want to display. Or a super quintuple wedding cake that tops your wedding decorations. You can't display that wedding cake and eat it at the same time. You're going to have to let go of it as a pretty display to eat it thus to have it and to eat it too is fully paradoxal
If it wasn't for my cousin showing me the OoT Masterpiece when I was 12, I wouldn't have grown to love the franchise as much as I do now. Didn't know a damn thing about LoZ until I was playing around on the Ocarina. That shit blew my mind!!!. First Zelda game I owned was A Link to the Past/Four Swords on GBA for my 13th birthday! The Masterpieces weren't totally dookie.
@@MattTrashBoat Oh yeah! Ironically enough, I DID have a modded Wii at the time too (but someone stole my SD card) as well as my gamecube with the og Action Replay that came with its own memory card for adding codes onto. This video just reminded me how many hours I spent inputting line after line of code. Took me like an hour or so to diddle the Kokiri Rock Boy into an Arwing. First played and completed Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask through the Collector's Edition. This video really put all that into perspective. So many funny stories I can share again. Thanks for this kicksss video. You definitely earned a new subscriber.
tbh Masterpieces doesn’t even feel like a true game mode. there’s no need to include a retro game collection if those games only last for a few minutes it’s definitely a good thing they scrapped it from Ultimate now that i think about it
What they should have done to make it actually GOOD EFFORT was allow you to beat ONE LEVEL of each...yes, that's a PROPER DEMO! One level of Mario, reach the first dungeon in the overworld of Zelda 1 and 2 (because the dungeon would be too much for a demo), complete one race in F-Zero, etc. I know it's hard to code in, but that is why they should have put more time and thinking, and understand how good demoes work. This gives players enough time to enjoy the games without feeling cheated of time! They can take their time to enjoy, and they can finish something to feel accomplished more!
Tbh, I think all this mode was trying to do was contextualize the early history of these characters. Show younger players what the older games looked, sounded and played like, but only in snippets, just long enough to give that context. They weren't trying to do real demos. I think the Masterpieces mode was fine. It was more of a mini-museum than a sample
I would agree to some extent, at the end of the day, it was mostly to boost sales for the virtual console. That's why Earthbound wasn't included in the western release, as we never got it until the Wii U
@@Tornado_Mang to be fair, weren't there legal issues with Earthbound because of its music, which is why the eventual Virtual Console release took so long and cost extra? Could have been a factor why that game wasn't in the international release as well.
Even as museum I think it could be way better. Add some extra infos and maybe retain the more arcady games in full. Something like the kinami arcade collection on DS
13:53 Now that I think about it, they probably made you choose peach because she’s the slowest character. You’d get farther in the game with a faster character, but peach ensures even your fastest gameplay won’t get you far.
@@MattTrashBoat fair. You could also argue they make you play as her because it was the first game they *let* you play as her, so there is some history to back up the decision.
I'm pretty sure they chose peach because mario 2 was the very first game she was playable in. mario 2 does seem to be used by nintendo to represent peach a lot.
I feel like Masterpieces is good idea with flawed execution. It's blatant advertising but if it was implied in a less limiting way, we could've had a memorable distraction. Part of me actually wanted them to return for Ultimate, hoping that perhaps it could be the best its ever been. I personally feel like them being the way they aren't wasn't Sakurai's call as his clearly has a love for retro games. Who knows what we could've gotten if Nintendo didn't try to make these VC ads. Anyways, this video was a good watch, keep it up man.
Yeah like Cloud being announced as DLC back the same year FFVII Remake was announced and Sephiroth being announced as DLC back the same year said Remake was released wasn't blatant advertising... Heck Snake in Brawl im pretty sure a trophy literally tells you to buy MGS4: Guns of the Patriots, out later this year.
Fun Fact: The Japanese verison of Brawl's Masterpeices has Earthbound as an exclusive game. In facts in the only way to play Earthbound on thr wii since it never saw a real re-release on Wii Virtual Console.
@@BinglesP Because they're only PARTIALLY advertisements I'm pretty sure Smash 4 was before Earthbound was on Virtual Console too, so it being there was also mysterious.
Demos are pretty harmless. The timer is too short to be enjoyable, but this is the kind of thing you look at once then not again. It's not a broken addition or one that makes me question why they'd dare include it. Just a little tab for some promo for like Wii eShop at the time.
Exactly! I think it’s fun to take a deeper look into aspects about a piece of media that others only take a quick glance at. Sometimes you’ll find a bunch of stuff to talk about by doing so.
The problem is a) the timer was way too short to even be a proper demo, and b) a lot of the old games really should have just been playable in full, as companies like sega have included their old games as unlockables in other games, or compilations for much less than nintendo tries to desperately sell these for.
The time limits had to be included so people would buy the games on the Virtual Console. If they had the full games playable, then there would be no point for the player to buy them.
@@JSRFModCentral nowadays compared to PS5 games Triple-A, and such $60 is considered "cheap." It wouldn't make much sense to put in a bunch of retro games in, as those might distract some players from playing SSB itself. Probably why Animal Crossing no longer has playable NES games.
I recall these having the most horrible input lag on the Wii U version. Also Zelda II is probably there because Link lifts a few moves from his Zelda II self in Smash.
"get off the internet you eight year old" I feel personally attacked since I never had the chance to get the game nor even had control if I could get the game or not
Looked at the subscribe box and saw “301 subscribers” and thought I was seeing things lmao. Keep up videos like this and you’ll take off in no time I’m sure of it
Me personally, while I do get why the time limits were there as to get everyone to buy them via the shop, where I draw the line is the fact that this arbitrary limitation aged really poorly by today's standards. For Brawl and Smash 4, the console's shop to buy the games is well into its extinction, the time limit now only serves as one ginormous tease. I cannot help but shake the fact that these are indeed full ROMs of games that are crammed into Smash. Would it be too much to ask for had the time limit not been present? Sure, the price for that would be very high, but it would've been a cool thing to play the full games in Smash and have that be a bragging moment at a party. Person 1: "Name one impressive accomplishment you've done back in the day." Person 2: "I beat Super Mario Bros. The Lost Levels without using warps from Masterpiece Mode on Super Smash Bros. 4."
Great video! I the first time I discovered this mode on brawl back in the day. Spend a couple hours on it but that was nothing like that coin launcher mode, I spend a whole day playing that lol. You have earned my sub, I can’t wait to watch more of your videos!
The Masterpieces are waste of time. I remember in Gameking53's review of Super Smash Bros. Brawl where he criticized them for being a waste of time and that there's no fun you can have with them before the limit runs out. He'd change it by removing it in favor of more Melee stages and even stages from the first game.
something funny i found out recently was that mother 2 in the japanese masterpiece collection has some small text differences unique to that version much later on than you could ever get within 5 minutes, like removing some references to pissing yourself or somethin
Oh man, I still remember buying a classic controller ONLY so I could try the masterpieces... and I got exposed to legendary games like starfox 64 and ocarina of time, so I'd say it was a good purchase. Funny enough it did also subject me to super metroid, but I never knew it would become one of my favorite games ever waaaaay later lol
@@DrRichardEw What, I don't remember her being any trouble... wasn't she available from the start? Lemme google something real quick: "Rosalina can be unlocked by having a save file of Super Mario Galaxy; have 4,950 races; or having at least one star on all the Mirror Mode cups." ...oh. Well there's your problem, Mario Galaxy is one of the best games ever made, surpassed only by Mario Galaxy 2, and Mario Odyssey, and a dozen other Mario titles... the point is you should have owned it already.
Mario 64 sadly was never included :( BUT I realllly wish it was because I would assume they'd drop you off inside the castle to run around for a few mins (prob 3-4 at most) which actually wouldn't be quite enough time to beat the game with boundary breaking, but still would be fun regardless
Hey man! I love your content! This is my first video, and I am already hooked! I can tell you are going to go places! It may be a month, it may be a year, but i can tell you will gain the recognition you deserve! Can''t wait to see more from you! :)
Thanks! While I'm not specifically making content to be recognized per se I do hope I'll get a bit more viewers one day haha. BUT I gotta make sure I have content worth watching ya know
scott the woz has made people too comfortable with the idea of stretching out a simple topic like “this mode is bad because the demo times are too short” to over half an hour 🤣🤣
It is indeed lame, because they're only weak Wii or Wii U Virtual Console versions under mixed saved files/moments and very limited gameplay. Plus, they really could've picked better games, and some they put in aren't even real masterpiece titles. They're pointless, especially if you own the actual physical release classic games. Funny video, though!
Did you know that there's an NES in Animal Crossing that can run almost ANY NES game? To normal players it's useless. But if you're a hacker, it can run roms that you "put into it".
Mhh I’d view Hero as more of a legacy-esk character, even though his main alt is from a new title. Byleth is def closer to the “ad” fill in, but they’re pretty cool so it’s whateves lol.
40:51 I knew the year that Kirby's Dreamland 3 came out because I actually played it back then when it was brand new. What I find to be a much bigger surprise is that Kirby's Adventure came out for the NES 2 years into the SNES being out internationally and three years into its original Japanese console version the Super famicom. I mean only a year after Kirby's Adventure came out was the Japanese release of the PS1 and the Sega Saturn. It seemed back then Kirby had a knack to come out for consoles late in their lifespan or even consoles of the current generations predecessors. I mean even Kirby 64 in the crystal shards came out in 2000 and by then the Sega Dreamcast was in America for a year and the Gamecube was only coming out a year after Kirby 64.
Brawl was my introduction to SSB, and videos like these really highlight how underrated Brawl is nowadays. Still sucks that ''Masterpieces'' has just demos instead of the full games though. I recently watched a video in which someone did something complicated with Brawl's code and found that of all these older games within Brawl, are actually fully playable, but that Nintendo put an artificial time limit on them.
@@MattTrashBoat You deserve a lot more recognition for these videos :) your channel makes some good stuff and you should get the attention for such effort. I hope to see more from you!!
1:37 I first played Brawl in like 2017-2019. It was the first game from the series I got because I had a Wii, and it had a certain Blue Rat in it. Never had a Wii U.
I remember just playing the legend of Zelda demo over and over and over, along with the kid Icarus one a few times and also the ice climbers a little, and the Kirby one too.
I liked the masterpiece mode, if for nothing else, than because of earthbound. Yeah, the 5 minute demo doesn’t even give you enough time to get to the first battle. But it’s that demo that put earthbound on my radar at all.
when you realize the only reason Masterpieces isn't in Ultimate as well is because the eshop on the Switch doesn't offer classic titles for them to sell you
8:34 the first sonic Foces has a very small protion of gameplay, it is literally a jump area, a set piece and introduction to the more wide area of the stage and it ends while the player moves, it is almost only the tutorial area of the game.
I agree that that was dumb (frankly, this whole video is god awful and serves to say a bunch of things everybody who has seen this video should already know in advance), but in his defense, save data would help for tracking medal progress. That being said bro definitely isn't skilled enough to earn all medals anyway
I seem to recall the Masterpieces being kind of... unstable in Brawl. Maybe it was just the inbuilt emulator Nintendo used, but I remember only being able to play about two of those demos at any time before having to back out into the main game for a bit. Don't misunderstand me: The masterpiece demos _themselves_ worked fine, but playing a third demo typically caused it to freeze on a black screen either going into the third game or coming out of it after the green timeout screen. And no, it wasn't just an abnormally long loading sequence. The "Now Loading" with the Smash logo never popped up... it just stayed black. Anyone else remember experiencing anything like that? It might've just been a fluke on my end; maybe it was just my particular Brawl disc or my Wii at fault.
I was surprised to see you only have around 125-150 subs when I watched this video, as I had thought the quality of this video to be of that of a person with at least 2k subs. Basically, geez man you're good at this and exceptionally deserving of WAY more subs
I suppose making the masterpieces "unlimited" time without saves is like playing reproduction carts with non functioning save batteries ha (excluding the external save storage solutions).
35:48 Fun Fact: Mario Bros 2 was originally a Mario game really early on. But was turned into Doki Doki Panic. And then was turned back into a Mario game when ported to the west. Also, GRAND DAD!? FLINSTONES!? AWWWWW GRAND DAD! WHAT THE…
I had a friend that got to play F-Zero for 15 seconds and had a priceless look when the race got cut off. Looked like he was pouring all this disappointment out from his stomach
i actually didn't remember this mode until you showed it and i remember trying to play the furthest i could of earthbound before the timer ran out, i doubt it was particularly thrilling, but if i'm able to remember it i guess 10 year old me must have enjoyed doing it
Imagine a world where buying Smash Bros also purchased evey one of those masterpiece games in full. That would be a very expensive game, but it'd be the only one you ever need.
My reason to not have experienced this game mode was bevause i always got a black screen when trying to load the games. The reason that happened is because i pirated the game by connecting a hard drive to my wii, but it wasn't perfect. sometimes, the games would not load the next segment, and in the case of brawl, it would never load the games from the masterpieces mode at all.
I think its funny that of all the masterpieces, the longest game (as far as I know) to be one of them, OOT, is the only one where the credits can be reached in the time limit.
The Masterpieces mode in Smash 4 specifically was where I first played EarthBound, which is now my all time favourite game. What sucks about the trial for that game though is that you don’t even get to fight any enemies with the amount of time allotted.
In the gamecube port of Sonic adventure, you can unlock classic Sonic games from the Game gear era. That was back in 2004 and guess what, you had access to the full games, no restriction, no timer, no BS. I swear, Nintendo has no shame.
You know what….. fair enough. I can’t think of many bad smash “modes” besides like smash tour but that had it’s own fun of just playing it with friends and making fun of how bad that was. Masterpieces are kinda boring
It would've been kind of neat if they had a feature where if you bought any of the games featured as masterpieces already, you could just play them fully in Brawl, even accessing any save data from the Virtual Console versions
This video is fantastic! I randomly got video this in my recommended and I'm not disappointed in the slightest. Keep this up and remember me when you become famous lol
I think they should have had "Here's the first world of Super Mario Bros." or "Here's Ocarina of time up until the first boss but you don't reach the forest." Something where it's still a demo but now it's just early game and it's expected!
Yes! I love this suggestion. A daily fixated time limit would allow you to play the game in its entirety (eventually lol) while also drawing you back to the actual Smash game on the daily. The advertising of the virtual console would still be somewhat intact, since if you’re really into a certain game and want to by pass the daily limit, well just head on down to the eshop to buy it. Perhaps 30 mins would be too much for games like Donkey Kong or Super Mario Bros, so much like it is now maybe have different time limits for different games? I’m not sure
The roms for all of the masterpieces are on the disc and you can rip them from the iso using "methods". it's ultimately a hassle but it is technically a legal way to get to get roms of these games if you rip them from your own copy.
I was scared of playing the master pieces as a kid. I was told that the timer is all the time you get to play the games, ever. I avoided the masterpieces since I didn't want to waste my one chance to play the games. It wasn't until this video that I learned that they were replayable...
Oh my goodness that is the greatest story I’ve ever hear haha. I think if they gave us only one chance to play 30 seconds of Donkey Kong I’d go insane
I DID THE EXACT SAME THING
@@meyadin5844 Same here. For some reason I always misremembered having to reunlock or even pay (???) for them to play them again.
@@compromisedreality8827 I could've sworn I remembered making new save data in order to replay the demos once.
lol
I have a very specific memory about Masterpieces. One day I just started playing the Kirby’s Adventure masterpiece over and over and trying to get as far as I could before it timed me out. I also ate a ton of Wild Grape Pop Tarts, which I don’t even like that much? It’s a strangely vivid, hyper-nostalgic memory, yet I wouldn’t say that it had much influence on me. I did eventually play Kirby’s Epic Yarn and I enjoyed it, but Brawl’s core gameplay was more responsible for that; haven’t played a Kirby game since.
LOL the grape pop tart part got me. I get the feeling though. Sometimes those memories that have no business sticking out just do, but they're often among the best
I didn't even know they made grape pop tarts
Wtf is a grape pop tart
huh. now that i read it, brawl’s subspace is essentially a kirby game but with nintendo (and a sega) characters
kirby's adventure to speedrun his adventure and get grape pop tarts
30 seconds for DK is hilarious. One of the most punishing games in Nintendo’s history, have fun with half a minute
It's even less than that because by the time the game loads and you have gotten past the title screen you only have like 19 seconds left lol
@@joshtheryuk Goodness lol
Your name is awesome lol
@@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi Thank you! Comes from me making my load out mostly explosives in Call of Duty. Rocket Launcher to the face? Probably the Robert Launcher 😂
I just love that, practically out of spite, speedrunners have figured out how to "beat" Ocarina of Time within the Brawl Masterpiece time limit, in two different ways: a Credits warp on one of the offered save files, and beating Ganon on the other save file.
I think there was some kind of shift in the company mindset that occurred between Animal Crossing and the Wii Era. I remember Reggie had to fight INSANELY hard to get them to include Wii Sports with the Wii because they more or less “didn’t want to have developers work hard on a game and then disrespect those developers by giving away their game for free.”
Of course, the masterpieces are the way they are so you feel like you have to actually buy them on the virtual console, but that “no games for free” mindset probably played a role too.
If I’m remembering it right, Retro also wanted to include Super Metroid in with Prime as a completion bonus, but Nintendo axed it.
The reason Nintendo vetoed Super Metroid's inclusion from Prime is that it used a 3rd-party SNES emulator, and no such official emulator existed. Instead Prime's completion bonus was changed to Metroid 1, using a 1st-party official NES emulator from Nintendo (the same one used for Animal Crossing, I believe).
The idea that giving it for free disrespects the developers makes no sense once you realize that developers don't make money from sales. Like at all. This is why piracy is okay, the only people making money off sales are useless parasites in suits
Wow, common Reggie W
The reason you think “you can’t bake your cake and eat it too” is a dumb saying is because that’s not the saying. It’s “you can’t HAVE it and eat it too.” Cuz once you eat it you don’t have it anymore, it’s gone because you ate it. Changing eat to bake makes it meaningless
(Timestamp is 15:35 by the way)
I've heard both before, and I always assumed the misnomer came from the concept of giving or selling the cake to someone else
i always thought the actual phrase was dumb, too, because for the longest time i was thinking of the word "have" as a synonym for "eat" (e.g. "i'm going to have steak for dinner tonight) lol
@@tsunderecat413 Even if you don't think of it as such, it's still a dumb saying. If you choose to have the cake rather than eating it, what the hell are you doing with it? The entire purpose of a cake is to be eaten, if you don't eat it, then the cake will just go stale, and that's just a waste of food, the ingredients used to make it, and the time and effort put into making it.
It still makes no fucking sense. Because if you’re having a cake then that would mean you’re eating it. Which makes the quote meaningless. Like cake is a food that you consume.
Think of the phrase more historically as a cake that you, a rich person, might want to display. Or a super quintuple wedding cake that tops your wedding decorations. You can't display that wedding cake and eat it at the same time. You're going to have to let go of it as a pretty display to eat it thus to have it and to eat it too is fully paradoxal
If it wasn't for my cousin showing me the OoT Masterpiece when I was 12, I wouldn't have grown to love the franchise as much as I do now. Didn't know a damn thing about LoZ until I was playing around on the Ocarina. That shit blew my mind!!!. First Zelda game I owned was A Link to the Past/Four Swords on GBA for my 13th birthday!
The Masterpieces weren't totally dookie.
The OoT demo is pretty dang cool I gotta admit. Easily my favorite demo when I was younger. Glad to see the mode do some good haha
@@MattTrashBoat Oh yeah! Ironically enough, I DID have a modded Wii at the time too (but someone stole my SD card) as well as my gamecube with the og Action Replay that came with its own memory card for adding codes onto.
This video just reminded me how many hours I spent inputting line after line of code. Took me like an hour or so to diddle the Kokiri Rock Boy into an Arwing. First played and completed Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask through the Collector's Edition.
This video really put all that into perspective. So many funny stories I can share again. Thanks for this kicksss video. You definitely earned a new subscriber.
same, but with earthbound & 4's masterpeices.
tbh Masterpieces doesn’t even feel like a true game mode. there’s no need to include a retro game collection if those games only last for a few minutes
it’s definitely a good thing they scrapped it from Ultimate now that i think about it
What they should have done to make it actually GOOD EFFORT was allow you to beat ONE LEVEL of each...yes, that's a PROPER DEMO! One level of Mario, reach the first dungeon in the overworld of Zelda 1 and 2 (because the dungeon would be too much for a demo), complete one race in F-Zero, etc. I know it's hard to code in, but that is why they should have put more time and thinking, and understand how good demoes work. This gives players enough time to enjoy the games without feeling cheated of time! They can take their time to enjoy, and they can finish something to feel accomplished more!
Those wouldn't have been hard to code at all
Well you can beat oot within the time limit.
Let SMB1 be 2 levels, we're already really close to that.
I think that for smb1 it should be at least a world since if you are quick enough you can beat the first level
You can do all of those in the time provided, someone even beat ocarina of time in the time provided by the demo
2:22 Finally, someone acknowledges it. Words like 'masterpiece' and 'peak' are over used.
This masterpiece of a comment is peak
Literally the one memory I have of Brawl was playing Earthbound and not knowing where to go
No
@@KingChenipan what????????
@@AughOughWaugh only in japanese version
@@KingChenipan imports? simply speaking English as a second language??
@@iLgaming334 not him.
TrashBoat: "Aw yeah Ice Climber! I love this ga-!"
Brawl: "Your free trial of fun has ended."
Tbh, I think all this mode was trying to do was contextualize the early history of these characters. Show younger players what the older games looked, sounded and played like, but only in snippets, just long enough to give that context. They weren't trying to do real demos. I think the Masterpieces mode was fine. It was more of a mini-museum than a sample
I would agree to some extent, at the end of the day, it was mostly to boost sales for the virtual console. That's why Earthbound wasn't included in the western release, as we never got it until the Wii U
@@Tornado_Mang to be fair, weren't there legal issues with Earthbound because of its music, which is why the eventual Virtual Console release took so long and cost extra? Could have been a factor why that game wasn't in the international release as well.
How wrong you are, they was to try and get you to buy the $10-20 full version on the store lol
Even as museum I think it could be way better. Add some extra infos and maybe retain the more arcady games in full. Something like the kinami arcade collection on DS
@@Magikarp-4ever Exactly.
13:53 Now that I think about it, they probably made you choose peach because she’s the slowest character. You’d get farther in the game with a faster character, but peach ensures even your fastest gameplay won’t get you far.
That’s a good theory 🧐 honestly I do kinda like how they “make you” play as Peach since you unlock the game through using Peach (in smash itself lol)
@@MattTrashBoat fair. You could also argue they make you play as her because it was the first game they *let* you play as her, so there is some history to back up the decision.
I'm pretty sure they chose peach because mario 2 was the very first game she was playable in. mario 2 does seem to be used by nintendo to represent peach a lot.
@@jclkaytwo yeah what I said. That and her moveset uses some stuff from that game. (Turnips, the floating.)
I feel like Masterpieces is good idea with flawed execution. It's blatant advertising but if it was implied in a less limiting way, we could've had a memorable distraction. Part of me actually wanted them to return for Ultimate, hoping that perhaps it could be the best its ever been.
I personally feel like them being the way they aren't wasn't Sakurai's call as his clearly has a love for retro games. Who knows what we could've gotten if Nintendo didn't try to make these VC ads. Anyways, this video was a good watch, keep it up man.
Yeah like Cloud being announced as DLC back the same year FFVII Remake was announced and Sephiroth being announced as DLC back the same year said Remake was released wasn't blatant advertising... Heck Snake in Brawl im pretty sure a trophy literally tells you to buy MGS4: Guns of the Patriots, out later this year.
The time limit on Masterpieces was asinine. But as a kid that didn't know what emulation was, this was the coolest shit ever.
Fun Fact: The Japanese verison of Brawl's Masterpeices has Earthbound as an exclusive game.
In facts in the only way to play Earthbound on thr wii since it never saw a real re-release on Wii Virtual Console.
Wait, but these were meant to be in-game advertisements, so why did they include it then?!
This fun fact was literally pointed out in the video
@@BinglesP Because they're only PARTIALLY advertisements
I'm pretty sure Smash 4 was before Earthbound was on Virtual Console too, so it being there was also mysterious.
you shouldve made this video only 30 seconds long then made people pay you for the full version
Demos are pretty harmless.
The timer is too short to be enjoyable, but this is the kind of thing you look at once then not again.
It's not a broken addition or one that makes me question why they'd dare include it.
Just a little tab for some promo for like Wii eShop at the time.
Exactly! I think it’s fun to take a deeper look into aspects about a piece of media that others only take a quick glance at. Sometimes you’ll find a bunch of stuff to talk about by doing so.
What baffles me is that the nes titles are way too dark. The wii vc titles didnt have this issue
Especially considering Smash Tour exists...
The problem is a) the timer was way too short to even be a proper demo, and b) a lot of the old games really should have just been playable in full, as companies like sega have included their old games as unlockables in other games, or compilations for much less than nintendo tries to desperately sell these for.
@@seansquiers6506 Smash Tour is fun though
I remember pulling a literal all nighter trying to beat taboo on high dificulty for a place i used to work at...think an after school program
The time limits had to be included so people would buy the games on the Virtual Console. If they had the full games playable, then there would be no point for the player to buy them.
The problem is that the time limits are too little to even form an opinion on the games.
Plus, couldn’t they just let you play a tiny segment of the game instead?
So? Smash ultimate is a $60 game. God forbid Nintendo bundles in a few of their old ass games into it as a bonus lol
bro we get a minute to play mario.
@@JSRFModCentral nowadays compared to PS5 games Triple-A, and such $60 is considered "cheap."
It wouldn't make much sense to put in a bunch of retro games in, as those might distract some players from playing SSB itself.
Probably why Animal Crossing no longer has playable NES games.
I recall these having the most horrible input lag on the Wii U version.
Also Zelda II is probably there because Link lifts a few moves from his Zelda II self in Smash.
"get off the internet you eight year old"
I feel personally attacked since I never had the chance to get the game nor even had control if I could get the game or not
Looked at the subscribe box and saw “301 subscribers” and thought I was seeing things lmao. Keep up videos like this and you’ll take off in no time I’m sure of it
I love this editing, I hope the algorithm blesses this channel
Well it def did something for this video haha I am shocked! Thanks though I appreciate ya :D
Me personally, while I do get why the time limits were there as to get everyone to buy them via the shop, where I draw the line is the fact that this arbitrary limitation aged really poorly by today's standards.
For Brawl and Smash 4, the console's shop to buy the games is well into its extinction, the time limit now only serves as one ginormous tease.
I cannot help but shake the fact that these are indeed full ROMs of games that are crammed into Smash.
Would it be too much to ask for had the time limit not been present? Sure, the price for that would be very high, but it would've been a cool thing to play the full games in Smash and have that be a bragging moment at a party.
Person 1: "Name one impressive accomplishment you've done back in the day."
Person 2: "I beat Super Mario Bros. The Lost Levels without using warps from Masterpiece Mode on Super Smash Bros. 4."
Smash Tour: Am I a joke to you?
Why are game companies so damn greedy with old games?!
Im glad this video was recommended, cause it just showed me a goldmine of a channel 🥺
Keep up the great work!
I forgot about this mode until i saw somebody beat Oot in it 💀
Great video! I the first time I discovered this mode on brawl back in the day. Spend a couple hours on it but that was nothing like that coin launcher mode, I spend a whole day playing that lol. You have earned my sub, I can’t wait to watch more of your videos!
Coin launcher mode is actually so addicting! Also thanks for the sub :)
@@MattTrashBoat no problem! Thank you for making this great video
The Masterpieces are waste of time. I remember in Gameking53's review of Super Smash Bros. Brawl where he criticized them for being a waste of time and that there's no fun you can have with them before the limit runs out. He'd change it by removing it in favor of more Melee stages and even stages from the first game.
He had good points, I would have removed all of them for the missing 64 and melee stages
something funny i found out recently was that mother 2 in the japanese masterpiece collection has some small text differences unique to that version much later on than you could ever get within 5 minutes, like removing some references to pissing yourself or somethin
I remember playing oot and just running around talking to people while forgetting about the timer
This video is phenomenal - this feels a lot higher quality than the views may suggest, I hope the algorithm picks you up :)
Oh man, I still remember buying a classic controller ONLY so I could try the masterpieces... and I got exposed to legendary games like starfox 64 and ocarina of time, so I'd say it was a good purchase.
Funny enough it did also subject me to super metroid, but I never knew it would become one of my favorite games ever waaaaay later lol
Nice to know it did some good! Also, sorry but buying a controller just to play the short demos is pretty funny to me haha.
@@MattTrashBoat well I was also the kid who bought Mario Galaxy bc he couldn't unlock rosalina in Mario kart lol
@@DrRichardEw What, I don't remember her being any trouble... wasn't she available from the start? Lemme google something real quick: "Rosalina can be unlocked by having a save file of Super Mario Galaxy; have 4,950 races; or having at least one star on all the Mirror Mode cups." ...oh. Well there's your problem, Mario Galaxy is one of the best games ever made, surpassed only by Mario Galaxy 2, and Mario Odyssey, and a dozen other Mario titles... the point is you should have owned it already.
@@Wendy_O._Koopamario galaxy has not been surpassed. not even by galaxy 2, odyssey, or a dozen other mario titles
TH-cam recommended another gem to me. Good job, good sir. Hope your channel grows
Your kind words means a ton. I’ll try and work to earn that growth 😈
Wonder if someone ever did a glitched run of Mario 64 on the Masterpieces mode
Mario 64 sadly was never included :( BUT I realllly wish it was because I would assume they'd drop you off inside the castle to run around for a few mins (prob 3-4 at most) which actually wouldn't be quite enough time to beat the game with boundary breaking, but still would be fun regardless
@@MattTrashBoat Really? I thought it was due to Ocarina of Time being in there. My bad
Nothing like honoring the legacy of iconic video game franchises by giving the player a 30 second advertisement. 😓
8:34 the homestar runner premium trial is 7 seconds
Where's this mans fuvking corndog Trash?
that was an april first thing
@@masonasaro2118totally still counts
Hey man! I love your content! This is my first video, and I am already hooked! I can tell you are going to go places! It may be a month, it may be a year, but i can tell you will gain the recognition you deserve! Can''t wait to see more from you! :)
Thanks! While I'm not specifically making content to be recognized per se I do hope I'll get a bit more viewers one day haha. BUT I gotta make sure I have content worth watching ya know
But how did you already love their content if this is the first content from them you've ever experienced? 🤔
Masterpieces are good for when Smash is one of your first ganes
The time still needs to be extended, though. Seriously!? Only 30 seconds!?
Dude this is so well edited. And the commentary sounds great. Keep it up!
scott the woz has made people too comfortable with the idea of stretching out a simple topic like “this mode is bad because the demo times are too short” to over half an hour 🤣🤣
i guess this video’s over a year old, so maybe this guy was ahead of the curve
No, I still make stretched out videos about simple topics! :)
@@MattTrashBoat that’s based and epic 👍👍
It is indeed lame, because they're only weak Wii or Wii U Virtual Console versions under mixed saved files/moments and very limited gameplay. Plus, they really could've picked better games, and some they put in aren't even real masterpiece titles. They're pointless, especially if you own the actual physical release classic games.
Funny video, though!
Balloon Fight will always be a masterpiece to me.
Did you know that there's an NES in Animal Crossing that can run almost ANY NES game? To normal players it's useless. But if you're a hacker, it can run roms that you "put into it".
Watch the video before saying things bro
@@rhyano_ I did. Didn't he just talk about the individual NES games (like Mario Bros, Ice Climbers, etc)
44:42 They kinda did that, with Byleth and Hero specifically.
Mhh I’d view Hero as more of a legacy-esk character, even though his main alt is from a new title. Byleth is def closer to the “ad” fill in, but they’re pretty cool so it’s whateves lol.
This ain't Smash Tour
And it ain't World of Light, either.
40:51 I knew the year that Kirby's Dreamland 3 came out because I actually played it back then when it was brand new. What I find to be a much bigger surprise is that Kirby's Adventure came out for the NES 2 years into the SNES being out internationally and three years into its original Japanese console version the Super famicom. I mean only a year after Kirby's Adventure came out was the Japanese release of the PS1 and the Sega Saturn.
It seemed back then Kirby had a knack to come out for consoles late in their lifespan or even consoles of the current generations predecessors. I mean even Kirby 64 in the crystal shards came out in 2000 and by then the Sega Dreamcast was in America for a year and the Gamecube was only coming out a year after Kirby 64.
Brawl was my introduction to SSB, and videos like these really highlight how underrated Brawl is nowadays. Still sucks that ''Masterpieces'' has just demos instead of the full games though. I recently watched a video in which someone did something complicated with Brawl's code and found that of all these older games within Brawl, are actually fully playable, but that Nintendo put an artificial time limit on them.
It's not even complicated with the code, IIRC it's one line of Gecko code to disable the time limit. Been a thing since at least 2010.
I’ll never forget this mode because I wasted one of my golden hammers to unlock the Mario 2 demo.
How the hell do you only have such little recognition!! You've definitely earned another sub :) Keep up the good work man!
haha who knows? I don't advertise too much but I'll try and branch out more, but thanks for the sub :D
@@MattTrashBoat You deserve a lot more recognition for these videos :) your channel makes some good stuff and you should get the attention for such effort. I hope to see more from you!!
1:37
I first played Brawl in like 2017-2019.
It was the first game from the series I got because I had a Wii, and it had a certain Blue Rat in it. Never had a Wii U.
This video is actually really really good and I want to say that I want the all mighty algorithm to give it a chance!
I remember just playing the legend of Zelda demo over and over and over, along with the kid Icarus one a few times and also the ice climbers a little, and the Kirby one too.
ICE CLIMBERS DA GOAT
I liked the masterpiece mode, if for nothing else, than because of earthbound. Yeah, the 5 minute demo doesn’t even give you enough time to get to the first battle. But it’s that demo that put earthbound on my radar at all.
Dude only has 322 subs wtf, great video!
when you realize the only reason Masterpieces isn't in Ultimate as well is because the eshop on the Switch doesn't offer classic titles for them to sell you
Great video! You're really underrated.
8:34 the first sonic Foces has a very small protion of gameplay, it is literally a jump area, a set piece and introduction to the more wide area of the stage and it ends while the player moves, it is almost only the tutorial area of the game.
MHHH I shall look into this
31:55 man I would've settled for his bow, hookshot, sword, and shield being retextured to be like the ones in MM. didn't even get that!
15:27
I like how you said that over footage of Star Fox 64, which notoriously _requires_ a single-sitting playthrough.
I agree that that was dumb (frankly, this whole video is god awful and serves to say a bunch of things everybody who has seen this video should already know in advance), but in his defense, save data would help for tracking medal progress. That being said bro definitely isn't skilled enough to earn all medals anyway
I seem to recall the Masterpieces being kind of... unstable in Brawl. Maybe it was just the inbuilt emulator Nintendo used, but I remember only being able to play about two of those demos at any time before having to back out into the main game for a bit.
Don't misunderstand me: The masterpiece demos _themselves_ worked fine, but playing a third demo typically caused it to freeze on a black screen either going into the third game or coming out of it after the green timeout screen. And no, it wasn't just an abnormally long loading sequence. The "Now Loading" with the Smash logo never popped up... it just stayed black.
Anyone else remember experiencing anything like that? It might've just been a fluke on my end; maybe it was just my particular Brawl disc or my Wii at fault.
Just discovered your channel man , amazing stuff !
yoo thanks :) also nice profile pic 😎
I thought I was watching some alpharad retrospective video, good job man
I was surprised to see you only have around 125-150 subs when I watched this video, as I had thought the quality of this video to be of that of a person with at least 2k subs.
Basically, geez man you're good at this and exceptionally deserving of WAY more subs
What’s funny is that I had even less before uploading this video (at around 78) haha. But thanks! I appreciate your super kind words :)
@@MattTrashBoat the amount has doubled since my comment. PEOPLE ARE NOTICING YOUR TALENT.
This needs more views. Subbed
I suppose making the masterpieces "unlimited" time without saves is like playing reproduction carts with non functioning save batteries ha (excluding the external save storage solutions).
I would always immediately die in Mario and Mario 2 to get to be Luigi for like 13 seconds
but those truly were some magical 13 seconds I bet
@@MattTrashBoat I'd take those 13 seconds of weeg over 13 hours as anyone else
35:48
Fun Fact: Mario Bros 2 was originally a Mario game really early on. But was turned into Doki Doki Panic. And then was turned back into a Mario game when ported to the west.
Also, GRAND DAD!?
FLINSTONES!?
AWWWWW GRAND DAD!
WHAT THE…
A new TrashBoat video on a Friday night is just what I needed. I love your content, man!
Thank ya :D hoping to upload more frequently sooner or later haha
I had a friend that got to play F-Zero for 15 seconds and had a priceless look when the race got cut off. Looked like he was pouring all this disappointment out from his stomach
If you want to play the full games, download a emulator with the rom and that's all or buy them in the virtual console section
i actually didn't remember this mode until you showed it and i remember trying to play the furthest i could of earthbound before the timer ran out, i doubt it was particularly thrilling, but if i'm able to remember it i guess 10 year old me must have enjoyed doing it
Imagine a world where buying Smash Bros also purchased evey one of those masterpiece games in full.
That would be a very expensive game, but it'd be the only one you ever need.
My reason to not have experienced this game mode was bevause i always got a black screen when trying to load the games. The reason that happened is because i pirated the game by connecting a hard drive to my wii, but it wasn't perfect. sometimes, the games would not load the next segment, and in the case of brawl, it would never load the games from the masterpieces mode at all.
I think its funny that of all the masterpieces, the longest game (as far as I know) to be one of them, OOT, is the only one where the credits can be reached in the time limit.
Masterpieces is the only reason I learned about the older games as a kid
Yet speedrunners still managed to beat OOT within the time limit
That still blows my mind honestly. One of the most impressive things I’ve ever seen
Really great video, I hope your channel swells insize soon as you deserve it, keep up the great work 👍
THHANNKKKK YOOUUUUUU :D
Sakurai makes great games but makes the dumbest decisions sometimes.
The Masterpieces mode in Smash 4 specifically was where I first played EarthBound, which is now my all time favourite game. What sucks about the trial for that game though is that you don’t even get to fight any enemies with the amount of time allotted.
In the gamecube port of Sonic adventure, you can unlock classic Sonic games from the Game gear era. That was back in 2004 and guess what, you had access to the full games, no restriction, no timer, no BS. I swear, Nintendo has no shame.
You know what….. fair enough. I can’t think of many bad smash “modes” besides like smash tour but that had it’s own fun of just playing it with friends and making fun of how bad that was. Masterpieces are kinda boring
Honestly I forgot Masterpieces was a mode lol. Great vid!!
I did too before I started to replay Brawl earlier this year haha. Then it all came back to me. Also thanks! :)
Watched this and couldnt believe you have any less than 10k subs! Editing, content, commentary are all spot on, keep it up!!
I shall try! Thanks for the kind words dawg it means a ton
It would've been kind of neat if they had a feature where if you bought any of the games featured as masterpieces already, you could just play them fully in Brawl, even accessing any save data from the Virtual Console versions
This video is fantastic! I randomly got video this in my recommended and I'm not disappointed in the slightest. Keep this up and remember me when you become famous lol
I will always remember you Weird
i remember masterpieces, made me sad
It made me sad too
I was convinced that masterpieces was a weird dream i had as a kid
LOL if only
I think they should have had "Here's the first world of Super Mario Bros." or "Here's Ocarina of time up until the first boss but you don't reach the forest."
Something where it's still a demo but now it's just early game and it's expected!
"Get off the internet you eight year old"
IM TURNING 19 IN 2 DAYS WHAT THE FUCK
These should have been 30mins (daily) daily for the masterpieces
Yes! I love this suggestion. A daily fixated time limit would allow you to play the game in its entirety (eventually lol) while also drawing you back to the actual Smash game on the daily. The advertising of the virtual console would still be somewhat intact, since if you’re really into a certain game and want to by pass the daily limit, well just head on down to the eshop to buy it. Perhaps 30 mins would be too much for games like Donkey Kong or Super Mario Bros, so much like it is now maybe have different time limits for different games? I’m not sure
11:25 Fire Emblem Mystery of the Pity clap only on the Pityclapom (Famicom).
0:14 LMAO the sfx makes it hilarious
Given how much brawl we played, even doing tournament mode and stuff its a wonder we DIDNT find it
HOW DOES THIS GUY NOT HAVE MORE SUBSCRIBERS
9:15 The European demo of Gran Turismo on PS1 would like to have a word.
The roms for all of the masterpieces are on the disc and you can rip them from the iso using "methods". it's ultimately a hassle but it is technically a legal way to get to get roms of these games if you rip them from your own copy.
I used to play brawl a lot, i really need to get back to replay stages in subspace though