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- The Quint hosted a debate on whether it is finally time for India to criminalise marital rape. Author Madhu Kishwar and lawyers Aishwarya Bhati and Reena Singh argued against the move, while young lawyers Soutik Banerjee and Neerja Gurnani were in favour of criminalisation.
Listen in to the heated debate and tell us what you think in the comments below.
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If a man loves a woman he will not rape her ,wife or not. But marriage in India are not based on love. They are based on money. Money is power. And you know the consequences of power.
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
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@@hackerbhau1709
But, the "conviction" is not solely based on the victim's testimony. She would still need to prove that there was a sexual encounter of forceful nature. The Evidence Act also lays down other factors like consistency in victim's statements. And the court would take into consideration, a lot of other circumstantial evidence before assuming "rape"..
Only, absence of consent is assumed, not "rape"..
So, pls do not project it like "if woman claims that there was no consent, man has to prove himself not guilty, otherwise direct conviction of rape". That's how I felt while reading your comment.. that's how many of the readers might've felt too..
That's why I'm clarifying here
Money religion caste and sexual desires became the reasons of marriage and not love
@@hhnandu She doesn't have to prove anything these days. The media will back her up. You just post an online post and see for yourself. A whole lot of women's organizations will come rushing trust me. But no one will even listen to the husband's side of the story once. And that very reason also makes it easier for some people to misuse the law. And under the narrative that false case rarely happens(which is not at all true in a country like India) is what makes it more difficult for a man who is falsely accused to prove his innocence.
More women are victims, yes but does that make it legitimate that men who are innocent should also be punished? Shouldn't men have basic rights too without it being called oppression? If no then fine I get it. But what about women themselves who are victims of such crimes of false allegations?
@@adityasapkotakami3723 leave them they are all Misandrist they will never get married
Some of these ladies are the reason why patriarchy runs large
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
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True!!!
@@hackerbhau1709
But, the "conviction" is not solely based on the victim's testimony. She would still need to prove that there was a sexual encounter of forceful nature. The Evidence Act also lays down other factors like consistency in victim's statements. And the court would take into consideration, a lot of other circumstantial evidence before assuming "rape"..
Only, absence of consent is assumed, not "rape"..
So, pls do not project it like "if woman claims that there was no consent, man has to prove himself not guilty, otherwise direct conviction of rape". That's how I felt while reading your comment.. that's how many of the readers might've felt too..
That's why I'm clarifying here..
@@hhnandu umm no women don't have to prove anything
Asshole rape happens to men too take a look at bratain 65 thousand women are convicted of rape there also supreme court calls for gender neutral rape laws also there is no law to protect a man from domestic voilence and sexual harrasment.
You have to have the right to say 'No' to a sexual act irrespective of who the man is - this guy truly made a point
Great attitude! Note that you mentioned man.
@@alansamuel2454 it's not about men or women , in all languages and for every gender no means no , if the guy ain't interested then he can use it too
@@aritrikasarkar7989 *we know if this law comes it is not going to be gender-neutral.*
@Debanjan Banerjee so you are saying a wife have no right to say 'no' even if she is not at all interested...???
@Debanjan Banerjee what if the marriage itself is without her permission...??? and everyone have the right to say no to anyone... its nothing bad to say that... its their own right because its their own body... no means no... and no one have the right to touch anyone without their permission... understand...??? in your comment you are saying is, giving money for sex...this system is not marriage... it have another name...
The man in the black coat, oh my god.
I actually wish all men were like you, hats off!
And the girl too.
@shrey jauhari nowhere did I, or that man, or the girl mentioned otherwise.
If we are supporting a cause, DOES NOT IN ANY WAY IMPLY THAT WE ARE AGAINST THE OTHER!
@shrey jauhari um? That way, even to track a murder case is tricky? For the matter of fact, again as stated in the video itself, to track and solve any crime , ANY CRIME will cause the same amount of trouble? And that's why we have lawyers, police, CBI and everything?
And again, if it is difficult for a man to prove his innocence, think about the other side as well. :)
Take a red pill this is deep buisness of law.
Things are not that simple in real world.
@@hackerbhau1709 and what is the real world?
@shrey jauhari excuse me? No, I'm not married. The for the latter part, I don't feel like telling you?
And it's not just me, the whole female gender has been hurt, immensely throughout their lives. EVERYONE!
Marriage is not licence to rape.
It's not like that, many men are out there who respect the consent of women, but think this should not be criminalized because we know if this law comes it is not going to be gender-neutral. a mere statement of wife will land you in jail without any evidence.
If this law passed Indian men will think twice before marrying because they don't know how their partner will turn out (as most marriages are arranged marriages in India)
@Debanjan Banerjee Right bro tumi fataya diso🤣🤣😂👌
@Debanjan Banerjee Na bhalo meye hole osubidha nei kintu meye duschoritro holey biyer por khub ja6etai mental state hoy husband er.
@Debanjan Banerjee i got a abusive man. That's why girls should becime independent, people like you are cancer to the society
@Debanjan Banerjee pray to God that no woman ever has the misfortune of ending up with a monster like you.
One of the main menaces of the Indian Society is the Women who are hugely influenced by Patriarchy.
So true, and such women always think that other rebellious women are stupid because they see no wrong in the patriarchy that is embedded in their minds!
It's the classic case where the prisoner clings to the chains binding her and worse does it out of vengeance to imprison others
@Ayan Kumar I don't even need to use far fetched references to your name to indicate your backwardness, you are enough of an insult for yourself
That is one of the main problems, everyone talks about men as perpetuators, but so many times we forget that men and women have always been the perpetuators as well as victims....
@Ayan Kumar wow you just keep proving my point with so much expertise
How ironic.
The only guy in the five member panel for Maritial rape makes sense and comes up with some valid points.
he is just showing that he is a professional lawyer but somewhere deep he also knows that this law will do more damage than helping anyone.
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
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@@hackerbhau1709
But, the "conviction" is not solely based on the victim's testimony. She would still need to prove that there was a sexual encounter of forceful nature. The Evidence Act also lays down other factors like consistency in victim's statements. And the court would take into consideration, a lot of other circumstantial evidence before assuming "rape"..
Only, absence of consent is assumed, not "rape"..
So, pls do not project it like "if woman claims that there was no consent, man has to prove himself not guilty, otherwise direct conviction of rape". That's how I felt while reading your comment.. that's how many of the readers might've felt too..
That's why I'm clarifying here..
excuse me? the young girl there made some points too, she just wasn't legally qualified enough to have it out thoroughly in legal terms
First, consent can't be IMPLIED. That's how people end up committing felonies, by misreading "implied" consent when there was none. Consent has to be active, explicit and enthusiastic. And stop using the word "culture" to justify anything. No where in the world is there a dictionary that has "implied consent for life" against the word marriage.
@Shreyyaa It's just there isn't enough educational content going around on this regard. Look at how other countries define seemingly basic terms like consent and rape. There is a whole world of difference. Instead we have celebs, politicos, mass influencers spouting age-old patriarchal BS which pretends to celebrate women but in a controlling condescending way (Oh women are awesome, but they can't make decisions. Women are awesome but she should be the one upholding sanskari values. I'm like if you like sanskar so much you make rules for YOUR own self not for others.) because spouting armchair back-in-the-days-of-our-moms shit is way more easier than policy change and law enforcement. It's crazy, I know. Also, TH-cam comment sections are vile. I have lost my peace over one such regressive comment. Now I know better.
Safe to imply she is irresponsible and foolish to think so and say so. Consent is everything and cant be implied. Though, what the other woman said got me thinking - how a man will ever be able to prove it was not not-consensual? I guess like any other sexual assault case, emphasis will be more on woman's word. But there can be undeniable scope for misuse - to what extend I do not know. Technically, how can that be mitigated? The other lady is right to say that a similar dilemma exists in proving anything in live-in or random sexual assault cases either way. But in a marriage it may be a bigger challenge to prove anything, it may not even be a physical struggle but a mental subjugation by man or assumed by a woman (like the lady who said its implied and perhaps her nari kartavya shit). That's another thing very concerning, making a law is one thing, women knowing and exercising their rights is another. They too buy into the shit that man's wish has to be unconditionally honored and catered to in the matter.
what if the wife is dumb?
@@hackerbhau1709 😂 Sorry I burst out laughing, I honestly don't know how to answer this.
and again consent of man is also considered to be implied.
The man is sensible of all old women sitting there .
When a man can understand the concept what is the issue with you ladies perhaps you are not willing to accept the fact that at some point of time it happened with you and you let it go because people and your mind said it was "normal".
same with man plz make these laws gender-neutral first
@@hackerbhau1709 u read ur other replies n I didn't exactly get it but anyways
The ultimate take is to make all laws gender neutral (not just for men and women). But we have been oppressed and abused wayyyy more than men fir many many ears
@@nancysrivastava7779 hello opressed women for many years, why are you against gender neutral law?
@@hackerbhau1709 she clearly said that laws should be gender neutral, didn't you see?
@@hackerbhau1709 bro u need help Quick
A rape is a rape. People have to be penalised and punished. No matter which gender does it.
THANK YOU, EXACTLY
Yes exactly
@@lunarose3785 thanks
@@sakura.8138 thank you
@Vivek Ghosh hey hater
This man in black blazer answered questions so aptly and meaningfully without getting upset on the type of questions. Very impressive! Need more men like him.
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
@@hackerbhau1709 how about u make a better video n let us know more then
@@fatemakhanpurwala1473 I don't need to as there is a video on this topic in the ted talk. where there he explained why marital rape law will be disastrous in India where we have 50+ gender biased laws.
@@hackerbhau1709, what part did you think was dumb and why?
@@swathih1 The man in the black coat fooled us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
The notion that a women can cry rape and send anyone to jail forever has been so engraved in our society by ekta kapoor's serials that people have started to fear everything wenevr it comes to women centric laws..
As the lawyer rightly said.. anyone can give a false allegation of theft or murder.. but we are not scared to make laws for them.. but we are scared of making laws which gives rights to women to complain against their husbands.. is it becoz of false allegations or are we actually scared of the patriarchy loosing?
@Debanjan Banerjee i completely agree there.. laws against murders hasnt stopped murders.. laws against rapes hasnt stopped rapes either.. laws dnt change anything.. people do.. but we still have laws.. dnt we?
Even if it help one woman to come out and feel protected..its enough.. its about that sense of protection.. which laws basically provides..
No law can prevent a crime from happening.. but calling a crime a crime is important..then only men will understand consent..
@Debanjan Banerjee so what do you propose?
@Debanjan Banerjee how do we solve this problem?
@Debanjan Banerjee wen you yourself dnt have a better solution.. shouldnt you..idk.. may be shut up.. nd let people who do have a solution speak..
If people had let things go the way they are going.. to abhi bhi angrezo k joote chamka rahe hote.. aur khane ke naam pe panta bhaat aar kacha lonka kha rahe hote bangali babu..
You are here on youtube, writing a comment in english while sitting in a comfortable place instead of working a field under hot sun as bandhua majdoor in bankura or midnapoor is becoz some people before you thought that something can be done about the ongoing wrong things..
@Debanjan Banerjee secondly govt didnt disapprove becoz of false charges.. they disapproved they arent equiped to define marrital rape..
Huge respect for the man in black.He talked sense
That's because you wanted to hear that only.
@deepak ya he is, actually, he is just showing that he is a professional lawyer but somewhere deep he also knows that this law will do more damage than helping anyone.
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
@@hackerbhau1709 then how about we make it the way we want it to be?
@deepak bruh FASLE ACCUSATIONS AND ACTUAL RAPE ARE DIFFERENT...offer support to the rape victim AND the fasley accused dude. ...u don't have to defend abuse to give those men justice
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
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Just don't hide behind Indian 'culture' .😏
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
More than 70 %undertrials livin in indian jails
Most of the laws here are used against the people
@@bean6366 Totally agree! Innocent people are put behind bars and criminals hiding behind the title of 'Politician' are left scott free :(
@ Swathi Raj
This is not true Indian culture
This boomer generation has destroyed Indian culture for their own needs and to justify their heinous atrocities. Nowhere is it justified in any form of religious scripture that violence of any kind against any human being or any other form of living organism is justified.
People made their own laws and sullied the name of our gods and our culture to justify their brutalities.
@@hackerbhau1709 My god, dude! Do you have nothing else to do? You've replied to almost every comment and you keep saying the same thing.
Liking this only bcz of the man who summed it up at the end.The first woman is simply irritating.
And the second "lawyer" woman. Gross.
that man is really fake, he is just showing that he is a professional lawyer but somewhere deep he also knows that this law will do more damage than helping anyone.
@Love yourself I haven't said I have more knowledge of law than him but looking at evidence act in rape cases anyone can say it's going to be misused a lot
as our evidence act says
"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."
Under the Evidence Act, a presumption is vested in favor of the victim on the aspect of consent.
this act may be beneficial in non-marital rape cases but if we apply it to marital rape it's going to be disastrous.
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
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@@hackerbhau1709 oh tum ouch k aye ho usse?
The woman in the grey coat has no idea when she talks about abusive relationships, it is not only that the women(or men) have to stay in the marriage or the relationship due to societal pressure and economical dependency because there are many women out there who are independent, have strong characters, but still find themselves trapped in an abusive relationship. The dynamics of this kind of relationships is based on abuse and then a period where everything calms down, and there is hope for the survivor, that their abuser might have changed their ways. But this cycle keeps on repeating and repeating.....
Big respect for that black coat man 🔥💯
@Shreyyaa 🌝🤮 I don't think he is, he is just professional lawyer nothing else, it's business for him nothing more than that
@Shreyyaa LoL he just ignoring every laws that are there already to protect women and just blabbering , he knows very well the tenchinal loopholes of this law if it is going to come.
@Shreyyaa anyways if this law comes it is not going to benefit any women but it will surely create problems for those men who are going through divorce settlements.
@Shreyyaa what does that mean?
Yah I mean unless and until you are not taking women with malicious and criminal intentions into consideration as a victim then this law's impact will be negligible on real victims.
@Shreyyaa LoL I am learning some new technical things from you 🤦😂😂😂
Only channel owner who uploaded this video can delete anyone's comments
OMG 🤷 Kisse bat karke time waste kar rha tha yar me bhi 🤦
Should marital rape be criminalised?
Me: huh?!! Is that even a question??!
So against or in favour...?
@@navyamankotia3256 againt bruh...
I mean it SHOULD BE CRIMINALISED.
@@venuvs100 sahi hai fir to, baaki iss duniya mei kuchh bewakuf bhi hai baaki tum to smart ho👍👍👏👏
@@navyamankotia3256 ❤️
But it can't be enforced legally
This comment section is the most toxic one I have come across. Everyone justifying this heinous act should be ashamed of themselves.
everyone justifying criminal women who file fake cases in name of marital rape should be ashamed,
If you want marital rape law have the guts to make it gender-neutral.
people are saying like the "fake case to hoga to law na banaye?" , are banao na law par gender equality ki baat karte ho to laws bhi gender neutral banane ka dam rakho.
fake cases ko rokne ke liye kya kar skte hai vo bhi discuss karo
no one is supporting rape in marriages, everyone is saying if you bring marital rape under law it will have consequences. What will stop a woman having an affair to blame it on the man get him locked up and leave happily, with a share in his property too ? This is the same reason why organ donation shouldn't be promoted much because once you do you will create aa market for organs and then you can't stop a child somewhere being kidnapped and killed for his organs. It's never easy to say yes straightaway, you have to think it through which of course most people aren't capable of.
@@hackerbhau1709 obviously justifying a wrong thing is meant to be ashamed bro. But ppl who are against criminalising Marital Rape are either the ppl who see women as objects or the ppl who are truly feminists but a lil bit insecured. I will explain both categories the first one will never see women as a human so her consent is not needed. But the second one believes that her consent is needed and she has a right to say No but cause this can be against them they are insecured which is natural. I feel that Marital Rape should be criminalised and there should be a law against it but for both the genders and not only one gender. Cause obviously even men are also a victim, but that doesn't mean that Marital Rape isn't wrong it is but what ppl need to understand is it is for both the parties
Having a law exist specifically to make marital rape illegal explicitly informs both the wife and the husband that sex without consent is wrong.
You need a law to tell that?
@@DheerajKattula It seems that it occurs a lot because people think they own their spouse until someone tells them otherwise
Yes that would be awesome
@@saloneer.3055 Who thinks they own anyone? Neither spouse nor kids. You only have responsibilties. Of course have conjugal rights. One can't keep refusing all the time, the marriage can break down legally in that case. If a spouse is not a in a mood, who would want to have sex? Just in case one did force, there is the 498A to cover for it. Invoking 375 makes life in marriage weaponizes toxic women to falsely frame husbands in criminal law. Already we know what's happening with 498A.
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
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The women who is saying that the Indian laws are enough to protect a women from her abusive and intoxicated relationship with her husband in India so she is definitely wrong and it is because she does not understood the basic concept of marital rape and consent if a women in India needs to ask her in laws and husband that whether she can go out for shopping or meet someone so a man can ask his wife each and every time that whether she want to do sex or not I don’t think so that it is that much difficult for any person to do so.
no a man can't ask or will not ask keep you third wave feminism with in you nobody cares a women has to stay in our house she has to do whatever we want
Whut up feminazi,498 ka misuse karne wali tum tabh thumare gurde jalte hain gender neutral law lane par,tum feminist neh 2013 main virodh kiya tha
Women who are going through all this rapes, can only understand
These unmarried ladies looking so insensitive
Should India? What do you mean?
Definitely it's a crime!
I don't feel safe as women anymore in my own country after watching this!
Yeah when women are only not agreeing to it
Then only live in relationships can work
But the problem is majority women do not get same amount of education and job opportunities as men in india thats why it is difficult for them to choose whether to live as a slave or independently😔
@Debanjan Banerjee why bro?
It's not like that many men are out there who respects the consent of women, but thinks this should not be criminalized because we know if this law comes it is not going to be gender-neutral. a mere statement of wife will land you in jail(with the tag of the rapist) without any evidence.(as have already seen in 498a cases)
If this law passed Indian men will think twice before marrying because they don't know how their partner will turn out (as most marriages are arranged marriages in India)
Putting such laws in place which are only favouring one gender would not only lead to false accusations also people would eventually lose trust in marriage. They would like to have a contract every time they are having sex because there is no other way to prove it. Already there are laws which puts man behind bars based on one complaint even though it maybe proved false later on due to which men are not ready to get into marriage.
Absolutely shameful to hear the views of this ladies.
jo husband apne biwi ki saath zabardasti karega tab uss husband ko death penalty dena sahi hoga ya nahi according to Law ??
only way is educate the boys right from start of school, by developing them to have a gentle nature & respect towards girls around them and how he should treat the girl who will come into his life
@Debanjan Banerjee the same kind of morals must be taught to the girls as well, I am talking about next generation. The present generation is out of hands.
@Debanjan Banerjee well not all are out of hands , there would be at least few good people left in the world who can teach those morals to the next generation
@Debanjan Banerjee i bet u have been fooled by one why wlse would u be soo baised towards women😂😂😂
When you start with gender specifications.. here exist the root cause of exploitation.
@shrey jauhari bhaiya apko kaise pta ki ladke gold diggers ni hote h? Kya ap duniya k saare ldko se mile ho? Sabka nature pta h apko? Fir to ap ye bhi bologe sari ladkiya gold diggers hoti h.. generalise krna bada acha lgta h na? 😂
The man in black coat is the voice of all the girls . Proud that such person also exist
The man in the black coat fooled us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
He's a fucking masochist
@@hackerbhau1709 you have to have a brain.
@@chitrikart2328 of course and you clearly lack one
@@hackerbhau1709 that doesn't protect the married women bro.
Why the lawyers has to stress on "Hindu culture"??? Baaki cultures ko aag lag gyi kya??? These are the situations faced in all the cultures... Y hide behind the curtain of some culture?
Agr koi b purani pratha ki bat hogi ya new law ki bat hogi specially related to women to culture to pta ni kha s har bat m aa jata h ,chane wo clothes ho ya bahr job krna ho . Or sare culture sirf women k liye . Sirf women n hi theka leke rakha h.
uh yeah? i mean you can’t have a contract that consents sex at all times because it is a very relative thing, i could want to have sex now and not in fifteen minutes. The confidence and trust they speak of should be happening between those two people. What happens in the bedroom shouldn’t be defined by the law and it should be defined by the people within the relationship. Rape is rape whenever and with whoever.
yes but here debate is about whether to criminalize or not to criminalize? if yes then what should be the punishment the same as rape or not?
@@hackerbhau1709 kai log esa bol rahe h ki husband kese prove karega ki vo Nirdosh h. Yaha law me esa h ki jo accused hota h use kuch saabit nahi karna hota saabit Victim ko karna hota h ki Aaropi ne victim k saath ye crime kiya h tab jaake court punishment deti h
@@indexcel5099 Please read Section 114A in The Indian Evidence Act
it says,
where sexual intercourse by the accused is proved and the question is whether it was without the consent of the woman alleged to have been raped and she states in her evidence before the Court that she did not consent, the Court shall presume that she did not consent.
Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him.
If anybody faces marital rape he/she should file a divorce and go separate ways.
I just want to point out the fact that they only talked about rapes from female perspective. I wish they mentioned this in a gender neutral way atleast once.
for all those blaming the older women, I agree. But perhaps they do not want to consider the reality of Marital rape as it is because maybe then they would have to admit to themselves that they too might have been abused in such a way and their generations of women before them were all raped too, they just didn't call it rape. so of course their patriarchal upbringing has made it harder for them to accept it.
But what about the misuse of the law like DV act, how would you frame the act that is the question
@@winstonjoseph6334 my comment is unrelated to the question you pose but i agree that the law needs to be framed very carefully
Can I just say Marraige is an bond made with love, trust, and respect across the world not just in India. The only difference is you choose your partner vs other close members choosing a partner for you. People are human, and humans make mistakes. You don't have to live with the mistake, you can rectify it by either resolving the issues or divorcing as a last choice. My 2 cents.
@Shreyyaa True it is unfortunate
Then you should question the entire justice system and wonder why any crime is punished at all because we can just let it go as a ‘mistake’
This is a very valid argument for people living abroad. Doesn't work like that here.
@@she_wizzdom4410 Marraige nor Divorce is a crime. You are unhappy. You can 't make your partner happy. You should work out your problems or if no other choice divorce them. With crimes, someone's hurting someone's personal rights. The right to property thats owned with their own hard work or through their family's and they have been fortunate enough to own. Or the right to live and breath freely.
@@kaavyaramachandran5486 Yes it is very unfortunate. I do hope someday people all over the world become more accepting of other's choices that doesn't harm them physically or emotionally.
We are never going to reach the finish line if we don't start running in the first place.
what does that mean sir?
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ffff
Everything cannot be solved by law ... These people are fooling themselves if they think so ....
Yes
Right
Yes
It hurts the most that it's other women themselves being against the criminalization.
She as a woman knows all possible way to file a fake case and coz of this she is feared for the future of his sons...
That older lady is what systemic patriarchy can do to you. 😑
we are proud of her she is talking sense in this biased law system.
Proud of her
in the name of women safety plz give all the power to the women and let the man suffer and harassed by the law.... ultimately destroy life.... do they know that there is a word called "divorce".
That's how feminazis are destroying feminism.
Soutik Banerjee, please don't fool us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
I agree, also even if it wasn't applicable, how can a woman also prove? Law bana ke bhi koi use nahi hai....
But one doubt brother......don't you think section 377 ke jane ke baad, atleast some protection must be there for women?
Agr esa hota to sare rape victims ko aaj justice mil gyi hoti pr esa nhi h evidence nhi hone k karn bohot sare cases m victim ko justice nhi milti to jo unhone bola h vo bilkul shi Shi h. Tum words k sath khelna bnd kro or logon ko gumraah krna bhi. Rapist ko bchane k liye Kya Kya krte h log
@@LoveYourself-my9nz fake cases karne wali criminal aurato ko bachana tum band karo
Koi saja kyu nhi hai 100% evidence ke sath fake case sabit ho jane ke bad bhi saja kyu nhi?
@@LoveYourself-my9nz fake cases ka racket chalake paise kamane ke liye tum jaise log aise biased laws ka samarthan krte ho
@@LoveYourself-my9nz rape on false promise of marriage ye kis prakar ka law hai
Matlab ab consensual sex bhi rape ho gaya?
It should be crimilize as soon as possible so the future generations (and also me) will feel safe.
Safety lies not getting married sister... Have advised my cousins (both girls and brothers) to avoid marriages like a plague. Focus on your career and become financially independent.
For the men, the truest path is that of celibacy. Sex should be purely for procreation (if at all).
I scroll down the whole comment section but i couldn't find any satisfactory answer that how a man will prove himself that he is innocent if he is actually inosent???
I developing technology for that as it will be big business by looking at fake cases
Just like how an accused thief or a murderer proves his innocence, what's your genius solution here? To ignore the crime ? Because it's difficult to prove?
@@she_wizzdom4410 Are you comparing theft with rape🙄🙄.
@@lavishsansanwal9375 if you don't /can't understand the context of my statement, then that's really not my problem
@@she_wizzdom4410 I very well understood your context but disproving rape is way more difficult than theft and murder. You can have a look on statistics.
Well done quint. Marital rape for me is worse than rape. But is was enlightening to hear logical arguements for both sides. Discussions are important.
Yes. All forms of rape but first punish the rapists
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
??????????????///////
@@hackerbhau1709 then why did nitbhaya case take 7 years. Nirbhaya told that she was raped
@@jaideepneela2050 that's fault of our slow judiciary system not law. Fake cases also take years and years.
I agreed with the Gentleman in the Black coat until he said that proving rape happened or didn't is equally on a man or woman, LoL he just failed to recall a few moments ago he stated than the statement of a woman is enough jurisprudence to state the act occurred. So much for stating equality. Ntm we need gender neutral laws in this sphere, it's high time to make rape laws gender neutral like POCSO and criminalise 'Marital Rape'.
Edit:- Than->That.
Rape is Rape! No mercy for that!!
Marriage doesn't mean that A man owns his wife as property!!!!
This much Maturity should be in everyone
Same for wome those misuse law, dont give excuse of data.
@@avinashagnihotri5616 True, I agree.
Both the Gender should be punished equally.
@@sampriti6474 But After marriage sex is important . Wife supposed to do it . Sex is a Biologically Naturally or basis needs we can't live without sex . We don't live unsatisfied or unhappy so if wife always say No for sex then Husbands definately being Unsatisfied or unhappy then Husbands have right to fulfill his Sexually needs outside the marriage . Because just get married is nothing wife supposed to keep the his husband Satisfied or happy then Husbands live with his wife . No one Husband can live unsatisfied or unhappy after marriage . Or no one can live without sex . Because sex is a Biologically needs . So if always say No for sex then Husbands definately have right to go outside for sex . Husband is not a property of wife Husband go outside for sex . It's his choice
Tell me one thing : IS THERE ANY LAW FOR HUSBANDS IN INDIA ? or they are not human.?
they left to do suxide no other option
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
?????//////////////////////
But it need to be change my brothers... The law should protect all of us. Otherwise it's just other kind of monopoly.
@@royalbengal4590 yes sister..!! Marital rape needs to STOP. criminalize it.
@@chitrikart2328 thank you sister...
I see people here in the comments section are just talking about the 'consent' part of the matter. I think a very important point which came up in the discussion was of criminal vs civil justice. I mean you get remedies and property etc. in civil case but the lady at the extreme left made a point about poor, economically dependent wives who would lose their dependence when the man goes to jail for marital rape. But I think the young lady beside her cleared the argument that it's possible of criminal actions taken along with the civil financial remedies for sustenance of children and self etc. I think the very important point also is about idea of marriage as an institution in India itself.
you need to give yourself to the husband if he's needy but he can say no if it's the other way around and when the woman says no, he curses at her, calls her a bad wife because apparently, marriage gives the guy to consent to have sex with her anytime. open your eyes, marital rape exists.
u r not married yet hence you know nothing
@@hackerbhau1709 ok qq😂😂
Take the case of mahima Kukereja she refused to register a case cuz she didn't have proof but all of these "feminists" stood behind her and now when she has stated that yes nothing of that sort had happened noone is saying anything to her
Looking at comments feels like All these are forced by their men's😂
😂😂
So until and unless something doesn't happen to you directly, you will sit in your cocoon peacefully while others suffer.
@@she_wizzdom4410 I'm teenage chill
@@yashk4051 if you consider yourself too young to face the consequences of your stupid statements then stay out of discussions or topics which do not fit your childish mind. Stick to cartoons
How is that funny
When Love goes out in relationship, Law comes in.
very true
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
????????????>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That was so true
I know a woman who has falsely accused her husband of marital rape and this women has an extra marital affair. The husbnd is in depression and raising children too coz this women fled away. And she says to him ' tujhe mai jail m sadaungi or tu akela marega..' how do you prove malicious persecution?
Use ur phone to voice record things. Well I did that againts a person who tried to bully and i sent the audio to his parents. He was grounded for many weeks.
@@keiltree2710 this tactic also has been used against me in a wrong way i was provoked and bullied when i responded it wss recorded
Ya it happens in india but everyone thinks only women is victim and man is perpetrator always.
Very important documentary, great work guys... More works and awareness needs to be done on this topic
No, means No. Which part of that is so difficult to understand? It's not about PROVING something in a court of law, it's about RECOGNIZING that the bodily autonomy of a woman, even if she's your wife, is a valid right.
ok then it doesn't need a highly biased law to criminalized sex after marriage
@@hackerbhau1709 It's not "criminalizing sex after marriage", it's an acknowledgement that rape is rape, it is criminal, even if the rapist is your spouse. The problem is ignorant people like you, who seem to think consent is not required if you're married.
It's good to see that finally India is talking about these things...
Yes😌 at least they started discussing👍🏻
@@bhavyjyotisharma3642 yeah...that gives me hope !
@@trishabiswas6529 indeed it's a hope for starting of a feminist world. 😊
still, there is no hope for the humanist world without gender-neutral law.😪😣
@@hackerbhau1709 that is still a huge issue, no gender-neutral laws in India. We cant make rape, cruelty, and domestic violence laws all women-centric. It's embarrassing to say that boys can't go to court for these issues in our country
Why men are alwys criminalised... Why there's a lack of equality ???
Men are not being criminalised its about does a wife have no right to say no. Why she have to go according to the man's mood
@@user-ly1ke1ve2v does men have right to say no ?? Why we think for one only can't we think for both
@@tanyatanya4762 😂😂 what. Are you even in your senses
@@tanyatanya4762 have you ever heard a girl raped a men please atleast talk with some sense.
@@user-ly1ke1ve2v i think you have heard of women who have extra marital affair... I'm not saying that only women do men too do but can't we consider both for everything
The video stopped before he could drop the mic.
Istg😂
these are the men of the 21st century, at least the men this century of awareness and more open discussions deserves. All men should learn from this one.
Best thing..dont marry live happily...coming times are really bad for married couples.. especially man..
@Debanjan Banerjee but i dont think so i would have the petrol to fight a case legally..so better to stay away
Mat karna tu shadi phir
ya men can't complain about domestic violence that's true
@@fatemakhanpurwala1473 same applies to you
@@hackerbhau1709 well i wish o was a sexist becz then i would have been obliviously stupid too sooo much less fustrating
How anyone proof....ki wife ke saat sex marzi se hua ki rape???? And wife ke saat husband rape kaise kar sakta hai???
Uske liye consent shabd ka Arth dono ko pata hona chahiye
@@psk-ck7ux wahi to bol raha hun.... Ex: ek wife ne case kiya ki mere pati ne kal rape kiya....so ye kaise proof honge ke wo concern ke tha ki bina concern???
Many a times it happens for wanting a male child,or because men don't wear condoms,or because the man is addicted to alcohol,or because the woman lacks economic independence to walk away.Please address these issues first.Start promoting liberal sex education at schools,these things will go away without argument.
If this law passed then all the man should keep agreement paper so that they cn prove himself inosent😂😂😂😂
even after that, it will not work because a woman can say he threatens me to sign.
No no, he should keep hidden cameras everywhere in the house so that whenever the wife accuses him of rape, he can show video evidence that he is innocent! 😂😂
Consent papers wont work, as it can alleged that the woman was coerced into signing it. The only seemingly foolproof way is to record (voice) of the entire act and listen to the number of "No.. stop...Get off me" etc... If the man doesn't stop after the first No..its proof that he raped.
Cant help it brother , wish there were no girls , they wont have to suffer all this when a girl child is born its better to abort or kill her ....i may sound rude but its better if they do so than letting her suffer all these....imagine a world with no women...... sounds peaceful ryt.....😌
Iam not telling that only women face this but even men.....but in most of the cases women suffer.....a woman is respected more than men u know why? Because a women is the one through whom we come to this world .......we get shelter in her womb ...shegoes through a terrible pain while delivering a child.....everyone needs to understand this.....when a girl is married she has to leave her house but not men ....i want to knw is this equality.??????
@@sieannarodrigues7041 i know this is not equality when girls leaves her home and go to husband home.but tell me unemployed women get married as compare to unemployed men never get married is this equality?
What this issue is probably highlighting is that our population needs an understanding of consent. This should start at home. Parents and teachers are responsible for showing and teaching the children what consent means, this also will mean parents’ behavior in front of their kids. People learn by seeing and observing. Those fundamentals will carry into their adulthood to the men and women they will become. We will have a society that is decent and respectful.
Bollywood is responsible for this kindof problem more then anything cz it normalizes these actions
*India me 1000s of false case hain against Groom also*
the thing is it's truly not about men or women it's about people who do wrong things , if there's a law, a manipulation comes free with it but that doesn't mean justice should not be served. Equal case opportunities should be given to men to prove their innocence
@@aritrikasarkar7989 correct
@@aritrikasarkar7989 yes
@@aritrikasarkar7989 It's not like that, many men are out there who respects the consent of women, but thinks this should not be criminalized because we know if this law comes it is not going to be gender-neutral. a mere statement of wife will land you in jail without any evidence.
If this law passed Indian men will think twice before marrying because they don't know how their partner will turn out (as most marriages are arranged marriages in India)
@@hackerbhau1709 you do have a point but thats why i mentioned before that there should be no gender bias while investigating the case and thats the job of our judiciary ,not all men are abusers ofcourse likewise not all women are exploiters so not that easily they will have the power to put a person behind the bar for no reason without any investigation.
Doesn't marriage imply that there would be some sexual intimacy involved?
Husband and wife relation is so close...They live under the same roof...how would a wrongly accused husband prove himself innocent?
@Debanjan Banerjee rape aapka culture h oh Tbhi India m rape bdte hi ja rhe h
@Debanjan Banerjee so you just proved that India has a rape culture👏👏 iss duniya ke sabse bhattar culture main se ek
@Debanjan Banerjee Abey chumde, tereko bata hai log apna asli naam nahi dalte. Teri IQ level zameen se bhi niche hai. Aisi ghatiya IQ level maine aaj tak nahi dekhi thi. Wah👏
@Debanjan Banerjee Abey tera iq mere se achha? Mazak toh achha kar lete ho. Aur itna faltu comeback maine meri zindagi main nahi suna tha. Apman karne ko pehle seekh. Do saal ka baccha tere se achha argument daal sakta hai. Rehne de tere se nahi hoga
@Debanjan Banerjee Tu pakka 5th grade ka bachha hai. School main jaa padhai kar. Homework rah gaya hoga bechare bacche ka👶
Trying to understand this. The wife says she is raped and it is assumed 100% of the time she is telling the truth?
@Rahul Gandhi I don't think it will be as straightforward. There will need to be "some" evidence.
There is law for everything in India...but it is difficult to implement, execute and let's not forget corruption in India.
Huge respect for that man, nailed it.
God I'd simp for him
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
>>>>>
Hindustani Bhau Unseen SAb comment ke neeche ye bakwas likh diya 😂
@@pretty948 bkwas toh tum hon
All men and women, marry for love. Anyone (man/woman) hurting their partner clearly don't respect/care/love their spouse.
Getting married to strangers in arrange marriage system is the root problem.
NO LAW CAN MAKE SOMEONE LOVE YOU.
Instead of criminalizing marriage rape, stop arrange marriage. Some arrange marriages are also rape, not all but some... Rape in marriage is tough to prove but not arrange marriage. If you criminalize arrange marriage, it will stop a lot of violence towards women in marriage.
It's not that rapes happen only in arrange marriages, it does happen even in love marriages as well as in live in relationships
@@psk-ck7ux I agree but all forced marriages in India is an arranged marriage and it's basically rape.
Absolutely,there should NOT be a second thought for this!
yes there is a need for second thought
The people who are saying "how will you prove if the sex was rape" can't prove the existence of their god and worship without any evidences. Hypocrites.
@Debanjan Banerjee where did I say any of those stuffs you claim that I m saying? Can you highlight those parts?
@Debanjan Banerjee you're claiming and you want me to read? Lol. Do you even know how to prove a claim? Forgetting about proving someone innocent.
@Debanjan Banerjee you don't have to prove by video or MMS. There are many ways to prove whether it was by consent or not, by analysis of the body of victim, by monitoring the behaviours of the partners, by knowing the information of their past etc. Can you prove whether god exists or not? Coz most of you conservatives people are so much into worshipping fictional characters.
@Rahul Gandhi libarals don't have brain I know
@Neel Javia i don't need a soul all these laws are baseless and even if this law comes no one can stop that a girl have to come in our house only the i will see her
If this law comes it will reduce no. Of marriages as most msrriges in India are arranged and men will avoid thinking how it would turn out if someone falsly alleges him..... As the present track record of men is not good he would suffer for 10-20 years as even a false case will take 20 years to be solved
There must be consent in any sexual relation but there is still not a solid solution to resolve marital rapes man.
Criminalization will make the problem worse.
“There are already laws.” Have these laws been effective at upholding justice for victims of abuse? Have these laws been enough? The fact that India is the fourth most dangerous country for women shows that we need the marital rape law to become effective immediately!
My question if a women beats a man ,abuses and mentally tortures a man..wat will the law do to a man In this case???
The law should encompass both men and women. I agree with you
Yup man should get justice too. Men and women are both humans so laws shouldnt be any different.
You will be laughed out of police station. :)
@@rahuldutt1358 the fact is I'm undergoing verbal abuses and mental torture right now....!!tats why I posted this
@@niranjankumar-hv9hh Go to a good lawyer and plan your way out carefully. I know of a lady lawyer in Delhi, who is extremely experienced and well respected. Don't want to post her contact details here..
It’s not just sexual though… its violence so it’s about being in an overall abusive relationship. Usually in a marriage, where there is marital rape there is also other types of abuse such as physical and psychological abuse. And nowadays it is possible to prove there has been sexual abuse because of the technology we have. Things that can can prove assault would be bruises and marks and possibly recordings and things. IF you can prove abuse, whether you’re married or not, whether it’s sexual or physical or psychological then the perpetrator should be prosecuted. But it must be proved beyond any reasonable doubt. It’s not ok to punish men if it cannot be proven… It is very difficult to prove marital rape but it is possible so it shouldn’t be dismissed as an impossibility
Umm .. yes! Why is that even a debatable topic?!
Exactly
*The mikeman has got excellent skills than these lawyers* 👍
If you don't need sex than simply don't marry
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I don't understand the mind set of all the girls who are commenting here they do care about the girl's who are victim of marital rape that is good thing i also support them but they don't care about those guys who will be falsely allegated. Politician se jyada double faced to mujhe ye ladkiyan lag rhi hai😂😂😂😂😂
yes, bro it's victimhood complex, real victim to men hai ek bhi law nhi hai protection ke liye.
False allegations are definitely a huge issue
Right
once you get married, are you his sex slave for life? well not only women is forced by men to have sex.. man is also forced by women to have sex
change for equality
The real women for whom the case is been talked about will never watch this video nor will they know about it. It would be another law to be abused. What will happen in future is that men will be scared to marry any unknown women and thus marriages fixed by families will be on downfall and people will favour love marriages more.
Right
Men seriously need to get over the notion of getting married. It's an outdated institution with little merit. The only logical reason one can give for getting married is have kids. Men are not biologically driven to father children.
They do it due to societal pressures etc. And about your arguments on love marriages. LOVE turns sour very quickly bro.
These is clash between two different liberal and one which is very integrating culture of society
Marriage means the two can have sex in a legitimate way nd the child born out it would be legitimate that dsnt mean at all that the women has sold herself or a man has full rights on her body whenever he wants in whatever way even if she dsnt want at that time or anything marriage is for souls thats why in every religion its proclaimed by some mantras vows so these vows are taken by body or soul?? If sex is the only moto then why have marriage it can be done in any way rather than marriage go for sex bonds then!! Yearly monthly lifetime
Sad that this is even a debate....
No one answered how the man will prove it was consensual!!
because he can't
Soutik just won it.
The lady on his right doesn't even make sense. My question to her is, Godforbid, but, would you be fine if you had a daughter who had to go through this? Then, would you be thinking how her husband will prove whether he raped your daughter or not?
It's not like that many men are out there who respects the consent of women, but thinks this should not be criminalized because we know if this law comes it is not going to be gender-neutral. a mere statement of wife will land you in jail(with the tag of the rapist) without any evidence. (as we have already seen in 498a cases which is the most misused law of India).
If this law passed Indian men will think twice before marrying because they don't know how their partner will turn out (as most marriages are arranged marriages in India)
first, we should make laws gender-neutral, then we can think of creating more laws. existing laws are not properly implemented making new biased laws will surely invite chaos.
@@hackerbhau1709 Your comment proves that you didn't even care to listen to whatever has been said in the video till the end.
Also people wanting to have gender neutral laws while performing gender biased crimes and having gender based privileges is absolutely ridiculous. The laws can be neutral only when men don't get the privileges of being a male in the society anymore.
@@mochimmy3724 who u r talking to? I am doing gender based crimes?
Anyways if anyone is discriminated in society that doesn't mean we should create such a biased laws to trap innocents, eventually this will create Chaos in society and people will lose trust on our justice system.
Mochimmy you do realise that men get raped right?
Everyone should take note that more than 80% dowry and domestic violence cases are false and many men and their families suffer because of unscrupulous women. Courts and the judges know it.If something like that happens in your family u too will understand the gravity of what i am trying to say. Criminalising marital rape would be a disaster and many innocent men will serve jail n police harassment for nothing.Not only that i am afraid many families will turn away from marriage when they hear such things happening!
Right
Someone had mentioned 'consent papers' - a legal notarised form as a safety shield. but that would not work as signatures can be coerced... The only safe way (and this was told to me by a lawyer) is to record (voice) of the entire act and listen to the number of "No.. stop...Get off me" etc... As a man, you have the responsibility to stop right after the first no.
Soutik banerjee- This is how a gentleman speaks ❤️💯
food for thought. the panelists had good points but none could back it.
The guy in black coat was great!
@@gaurinawathe6856 he is just showing off his professionalism but he is far from reality
Love Marriage and financial independence can decrease this crime ig.....
It's actually quite easy to do this, husband and wife just needs to sign legal document before sex, that's all.
Why would she file a false complaint. If she loves I'm she won't do that and also martial rape because many parents don't listen to their children when it comes to arrange marriage.
@Mr. Melody the husband should have the decency to respect the women's choice and not force her into anything. Is it that hard being a decent human being and respecting a women and asking for consent
@Mr. Melody family forces a daughter to marry
@Mr. Melody I understand ur point. And that's why I think it's a very complicated topic
The first woman's argument was really lame. Even in non-marital rape cases, you cannot instantly tell if the sex was consensual or not but that is why there is investigation of the crime right?
It is very easy to prove in non marital rape because you can take dna test , even if it was consensual if women says it's rape then it's rape that's how our laws work.
Do you know rape on false promise of marriage? Even sex was consensual in that case it's rape just because women says so.
@@hackerbhau1709 then the investigation was not done properly but that does not mean that we give up and allow rape (marital/non marital) because the crime is difficult to prove
@Akash Mishra _MGTOW 🤣🤣 A day to celebrate indeed
@Akash Mishra _MGTOW it is said that when you fight with a pig, you just get dirty and the pig enjoys it.
@@she_wizzdom4410 aah gaya Mgtow tabh tere jaise feminist bheek mangegi
What if the Man for once doesn't want to...will it not be forced? Will it be implied consent as well madam? What nonsense...
N absolutely evidences are always difficult...doesn't mean we can go along with 'implied' consent and that we don't do anything about it...
most unbiased comment I must say
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
...sdhjsddhdbf
So what is the solution ?
No problem has a permanent solution unless the corruption inside the mind of the people dissolve for good...unless people from both ends stop taking advantage of the law n that can not be monitored 100% so it's the people...unless people change there will be no change. Let's not think the burden of changing solely lies on women...because Men too need to...n women need to change the way they bring up their kids...splly boys...n girls too...no real change will come unless we change from the roots...until then one 'Has to' work with the laws...even after that laws need to be intact ...
And also signs of forced s*x are visible...and can be seen...
All that is fine but why are the panelists not addressing the issue of misuse of the proposed law and it’s reprimand
.....then every man now and then will be behind the bars.
ya obviously this law will have a 100% conviction rate just because the husband can't prove his innocence
@Debanjan Banerjee Tuj jese rakshaxo ke wejeh se hi ye duniya barbad ho rahi he
No not every man. Not all men rape their wives. Mine doesn't. He never force him on me neither I force myself on him. There must be respect first.
Mr.Soutik Banerjee is fooling us by playing with words,
Indian evidence act in rape cases clearly says,
*"Once the victim alleges absence of consent, then the onus is on the accused and he must dispel the statutory presumption raised against him. No further burden lies upon the victim to establish the absence of consent."*
so this will be applied to marital rape as well which means the wife doesn't have to prove anything, the burden of proof will be on the husband only.
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@@radhaarya8364 unfortunately every wife is not like you dear, your husband is fortunate
Hmm everyone is enjoying themselves but no one is talking about fake rape cases and woman can accuse a man for rape and everyone around will become justice hero and beat the guy to death.
Thanks India
Fake rape allegation is horrible, agreed. But in my opinion criminalising Fake rape allegation is dangerous. Because then a women who's raped will have a point to worry about if her rapist is a man with power of any kind. In our country where men are still more powerful than women its not right. Having said that, false rape allegations should definitely have some kind of repercussions. And when women in our country are totally empowered, i think the punishment should be similar to the punishment for rape if not the same.
@@shivambiharimusic no criminalizing fake rape allegation is not dangerous, we need to jail women only after having strong evidence against her that proves the rape case was definitely false.
@@shivambiharimusic why would a woman fear if her being raped is real?
@@shivambiharimusic What What What!!!!
You don't even make a single% sense.
You need to arrive at a ripe middle age to understand and accept the true nature of a heterosexual relationship. One person out of the two has the power to decide retrospectively whether a sexual encounter was worth having, how much sex is sufficient, when to turn the relationship completely asexual, determine whether the relationship is a happy one or they should part ways, and so on. That person can turn to spirituality or join yoga groups or anything else that helps increase the distancing. That same person also goes on to make decisions on whether a set of grandparents are a good or bad influence on children, whether they as a couple should maintain any relationship with certain friends and relatives etc. Have you seen people staring like dead, having lost all purpose in life, detached from everything? If you have heard of people suddenly collapsing to death, there is likely an untold story of the events that led to it. Those of you in your teens, twenties and thirties and even early forties, if you disagree with what I have said, I don't blame you.
So you are saying that after arriving at your middle age, you have concluded that only one person's desires matter in a relationship
Obviously u believe that a person should be superior for a fucked reason is totally valid 😂😂😂😂
two people can't be so synchronized to have the same desire at the exact same time so of course, both of them should be mature enough to understand the feelings of each other.
@@hackerbhau1709 thats where art of seduction steps in
@@fatemakhanpurwala1473 a lost art for all supporters of marital rape
We need more red-light areas... 🤔🤔🤔🤔
98% will file a false case
Right