We Need To Talk About Richarlison's Keepie-Uppies
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- Brazilian international Richarlison caused a bit of a stir in the Premier League at Nottingham Forest last weekend, when he showboated with Tottenham winning 2-0, by juggling the ball a few times in the 85th minute.
The ensuing furore from certain sections of the English media, pundits, and fans has been overwhelming, with some claiming that Richarlison should have been carded, not Brennan Johnson, or even that he deserved to get seriously injured.
In this video, HITC Sevens analyses that visceral reaction, what it says about British football culture, and the British / English psyche in general.
Pundits: footballers don't have character anymore, they're all robots, we need them to express themselves
Richarlison: does three keepy ups
Pundits: Richarlison is disrespectful
Yep, the internal dialogue of pundits seems to be along the lines of...
"Give us some spectacle!"
*something happens*
"No! Not like that! Do it the way I want it!"
Not just pundits. The vast majority of fans as well. Pundits just get much more traction and have a bigger influence.
Hypocrisy summed up.
That's what Martin Tyler was doing his opinions are dross
For each action there is an equal and opposite reaction
He did some keepy uppies so some keepy downies are required
As a Forest fan I wasn't bothered by any of it. From some people's reactions you'd think he'd either committed a terrible crime or displayed some amazing skill. He did neither. Meh. Well played Spurs, it's a steep learning curve for Forest obviously but hopefully we'll learn and prosper.
Am also a Forest fan and agree
Best of luck this season, I’ve really enjoyed watching forest I’m hoping they stay up for a long time
Spurs fan and you guys looked great. You really didn't deserve to lose.
Spurs fan here. Thank you Forest for that entertaining match!
Spot on, football’s entertainment at the end of the day
I hope Richarlison does more showboating, he already clapped back on twitter with Neymar backing him. And it's with the latter that I first came across that nonesense where it's 'punishable' to showboat. Anyone remember when Neymar got booked for doing tricks?
I do not remember that but that was extremely so ridiculous for Neymar boss getting booked for doing his tricks,good friend Songoku YT!!!
Yes I thought of Neymars during all this and I cant really visualise it but he was still at least doing tricks to beat players right? Not that Richarlison did anything wrong, but Neymars was even more ridiculous because he was still playing the game in an effective manner, but it was too flashy or something, insane.
reminds me of the unwritten rules in baseball
@@SalmanAli-hn2kt as someone who has only heard about them (and never lived them because I'm not a fan)
JEEEEEEZZZZZZUS, these unwritten rules in Baseball are the biggest accumulation of bullshit I've ever heard
Those rules were made by crybabies that couldn't accept defeat lol
And, by the looks of it, as we can see here with three keeps uppies, those crybabies also set up unwritten rules in football
He did a rainbow flick and got a yellow cause it's illegal to do them in league 1
I'm amazed that three keepy-ups is even being viewed as "showboating" - even I can knock out three keepy-ups.
If he'd done fifty-three keepy-ups using every part of his body that'd be disrespectful... unsportsmanlike, but three - is that really taking the piss out of your opponents?
When you are sensitive and have a weak ego: Yes, three keepy uppies feels like he's taking the piss.
I wish I could do three
It is. Keepy-ups are a fairly useless piece of skill without much of a pratical use in an actual match.
You have to take into account the adrenaline and the fatigue as well. When you are 2 goals down with less than 10 minutes go many players will get easily rattled by the most minor of things. It's only natural. Richarlison knew that and used it to his advantage.
Nothing wrong that, of course. It's perfectly within the laws of the game and the fans love to see it.
@@shipu302 if it was just the players on the pitch that took offence it would be understandable but the reaction from some fans and pundits is just pathetic, it was 3 kick ups and what makes it even more pathetic is that richarlison is a well known wind up merchant, idk how people don't expect this from him
I think it's that it doesn't seem in any way necessary or helpful to his team for him to do it in the clip that most have seen of it and so it came across as taking the piss to a lot of people.
I'm not making any judgment whatsoever on that, just BTW, just theorising as to why it upset people so much.
Honestly I'd rprefer showboating over what many teams do nowadays when their in the lead, wasting time with set piece and backwards passing
This. At least we get to see something interesting.
I seriously dislike time wasting in general, no matter how you do it.
As a youth coach I always forbid it because I don't want my team to win that way. We need to play football for 60-90 minutes (depending on the age of the kids) no for 45 minutes and some glory runs around the field. We were doing it for fun, and respecting your opponent goes a long way in the youth leagues.
But the difference is: I was a youth coach for a 8th league team, if we lose we are sad for a day or two.
When Tottenham (all professional Clubs) loses there are contracts, advertising and a boatload of money involved. Not really what you want to lose out on. They are doing it. because it's their job where their performance + result matters, alot.
He was wasting time, though. He also dives and feigns injuries regularly.
@@kevinb9830 he wasn’t really wasting time tho, as long as the ball is playable there’s nothing stopping the opponents from taking the ball and scoring a goal. time wasting is delaying the act of putting the ball back in play
@@David-qq9bk It's still time wasting even if you want to call it 'good clock management' or some other euphemism.
Or compare it to Man City and Liverpool beating lower table teams 5-0, 6-0, 9-0 every week, I think a few juggles on a football pitch would be way less egregious
If the media reacted the way they did, I want to see Richarlison do more kick ups and maybe an around the world to annoy them even more 😂
Yes plz 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Double down on the haters
I never thought I’d see a 25 minute video on three keepy-ups but nonetheless this is incredibly entertaining
He is right, it goes to something wrong with peoples psyche, if they think showboating warrants injury. Same logic: If a r ape victim was out late at night, or dressed provocatively, she brought it on herself. Some people really think this, and they are just sick in the brain.
Seriously, I usually enjoy this channel but this video is about 20 mins too long
Lies again? Ramenten Rakuten
This could be my favourite HITC Sevens video of all time. Incisive and earnest deep dive philosophical analyses (of things seemingly as trivial as a keepie-uppie) are what make this channel so great.
Best point is they are entertainers and that is what fills the seats and doing stuff like that is what sells the jerseys. Only reason not to showboat is if you are losing.
Exactly
Is wathcing someone do 3 keepy uppies really entertaining? Anyone can do that.
@@kevinb9830 why are you commenting everywhere?
@@kevinb9830 More entertaining than 5 short range passes between the centre backs, that's for sure.
Because that's what 99.9% of teams use to waste time without locking the ball.
I take the keepie uppies, thanks.
@@kevinb9830 Yes. That alone has already put him in my top 5 Spurs players
Personally, I'd love to see more showboating and piss taking on the pitch. But I'm equally happy to see a bit of what goes around comes around in that showboat = a bit of an "'av that" (no I don't mean two footing his ankles and ruining his career, just a knock or two). I think it all just adds up to louder and crazier atmospheres and a bit more emotion in the sport. I'd rather be wound up by a team than sit there emotionally void as the game wraps up in a defeat for my team
I'm brazilian and totally agree.
As a Spurs fan, I obviously loved it. The overreaction is too much. Every child spends years practicing skills. Why does football have to be so serious all the time. I bet these pundits would label a player as unprofessional just for smiling more than usual. They’re all so bitter that their careers are over.
As an Everton fan, I'd get used to this if Carragher is on commentary. He's made a point of having a go at Richie every game since he scored at Anfield in a game we won for once 🤣
Because it's a professional game where every player is getting huge cheques. It is initially a job first and foremost.
Basically put it, what he did was taunt the opponent, and universally in any given sport, that is viewed as disrespectful and would easily make the opponent hostile
@@shadetdark dismantling someone's legs is part of the sport but juggling the ball isn't.
Why would they be bitter their career. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@shadetdark Exactly. There's a difference between this and using a roulette or a Cruyff turn to beat a man. The latter are genuine examples of flair and skill, what Richarlison did was just an attempt at mockery.
I don't get these people drooling over it. A 7-year-old can do 3 keepie-uppies and, to make things worse, Richarlison misplaced his pass afterwards as well. So, it's hardly an impressive piece of individual brilliance worth marvelling at and he didn't even execute it to a satisfactory standard.
That fact that this is a topic is so ridiculous. Thank you for presenting it as such Alf. They gave him time and space with the ball while his team was ahead and they needed to run the clock down. If you don't want him to do this, then like mark him? Press him? Win the ball back, you know, football stuff. Fouling him was playing into his hands, and was the least intelligent thing to do. Time was wasted as he wanted, and as a bonus one of the top Forest players was booked. Do they not understand how football works? Are there reasons to aim for someone's shins during a game? Certainly, keepy uppies are not that reason
The way pundits like carragher and souness reacted to this- you’d think richarlison had committed a horrid crime on the pitch 😂
His hair style is a crime
@EuroStacks
Note that neither of them, despite being decent players, (though Souness was a thug) were particularly creative players.
Racist scousers hating someone more skilled than they ever were, count me shocked
The blame lies with Paul Pogba for inventing showboating in 2012.
@@lolumo it’s pretty obvious that liverpool fans hate him for his diving and his borderline assault of thiago but sure, it’s racial. moron.
Honestly need more stuff like this in the English game. Its just fun and like you say no different from a winger running to the corner flag doing stepovers. If I was a Forest fan I would be more upset he had the time and space to do that in the first place!
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This guy invented it. Ajax dominating the greatest European team at their own stadium. Under van Gaal Richard Witsche did the same (again in the Bernabeu).
@Ghostface That's what you want. Riles them up and gets them a yellow. Richarlison would've been delighted after Johnson clattered him
Martin Tyler is a modern day Brian Moore who used to hate footballers strutting after scoring a goal back in the early nineties. If you wonder why Brazil are not the samba team they used to be, it’s because their top players play in Europe.
That has nothing to do with them playing in Europe loooool.
The winning team of 2002 was Samba pure and all the important people played in Europe. Like they do for at least 35 years.
@@gandalf_thegrey that’s categorically false. The 1982 team was the last true samba team. They changed their style somewhat following the brutality of their opponents in that competition.
Thank for for brexit them, allowing Richardson to express himself whilst free from their tyrannical yolk
@@UncledadBFD if you think Brazil 2002 didn't play samba football, you didn't watch that world Cup. Football progressed in the 20 years since 1982 and 2002. The speed and strength of players increased. Regardless, the 3 Rs kept joga bonito alive in 2002
@@RedCloudGawdian I did watch that World Cup, Brazil were excellent and played some beautiful football. My point still stands
I grew up watching mostly Premier League and Serie A. In the 90s, I much preferred the Italian brand of football. Had the tough defenders but also the slick forwards who had a bit of flair about how they played. In the Premier League, I loved players like Eric Cantona, Benito Carbone, Jay Jay Okocha who played with flair. Without it, the game is dull as dishwater.
agreed. Feel the same.
I'm sorry but not everyone's interested in showboating. Flair players aren't everything and there's more to football than just being flashy, I'm sorry but this video seems rather odd to me.
Jay jay what an underrated player loved watching him at Bolton I’m sure he crossed paths with a young Ronaldinho at psg another ridiculous talent
@@EgoHead710 not everyone but majority of fans doesnt care about showboating at all lmao
@MyGaming Den i guess ronaldinho was disrespectful then. what a joke.
I had the thought while watch the ESPN aftershow ........ if you are more offended by someone mocking rather than someone assaulting the said person, I think you have a serious problem. He could've torn his knee ligaments easily, and the fact that he's just playing the sport while the other is deliberately trying to hurt a person. If you think he deserved it, just answer this : would one not be in jail, if someone mocked you and you hit them on the street?
He straight disrespected not forest he strsight juc said u not on our level so instead of playing football i will start showboating maybe u dont understand coz u not a pro player but someone juggling in a football match can be considered disrespect
Great comment 👍
@@nyasha_ish doesn’t mean you can just assault someone though.
sorry to hear that you had to watc hthe ESPN aftershow. I watched it once and it was a traumatic experience.
@@kiriakoz 😂😂
You actually made a video on Richarlison's juggling and talked about how it relates to Margaret Thatcher's influence on changing English culture. That is genuinely amazing. Never change Alfie, never change.
On a serious note, I completely understand where Johnson was coming from. He was frustrated and took it out on an opponent who showboated. I did it when I was a kid as a defender, it was dumb, and I regret it. I don't think his act is necessarily even uncommon. But I do think it shouldn't be celebrated. He should be told he needs to keep his head straight and play with professionalism and pride.
The thing that really infuriates me is that this is the exact opposite response everyone had a couple weeks ago when Darwin Nunez put his head through Joachim Andersen. Essentially the same thing happened: A young and inexperienced player got riled up by teasing or purposeful aggravation by an opposing player, and he lashed out in a stupid way. One saw red, the other yellow. Everyone was condemning and criticizing Nunez for his actions, but now everyone wants to defend Johnson for his. All because Richarlison did a few keepy-uppies. There is a serious brain-rot problem in this world.
This is an excellent point.
He definitely should change, Alfie is massively uninformed on politics and culture. Classic silly small minded middle class English mentality.
He did actually attempt to get the ball though, unlike Nunez.
Football need more "disrespectful" moments. Football needs more "showboating".
The players who do it are still going to get cluttered.
@@thespanishinquisition2200 and then those players are going to be called divers.
And every opposition player should get no more than a warning for delivering a mid air 2 foot diving tackle to the ankles.
It’s actually pretty smart from Richarlison really: see out a 2-0 lead by winding up opponents.
Anyone whose played any sport at, really, any level understands how important mentality is.
It’s true he risks someone lashing out on him with a stray boot, but that’s a professional risk, it’s part of the game.
I highly doubt he's anywhere near that intelligent
@@MrSkippingpig your comment shows exactly what’s wrong with this country’s football
@@MrSkippingpig And why do you think that?
@@andrewharing2637 ever met a smart Brazilian? I havent
@@wussup12345 nah, we're all dumb. In fact, I'm writing this in Portuguese and you can understand it because you're a giga chad
much more entertaining to see someone waste time with their skills then just falling on the floor and calling the medical team to magically cure them
1. Richarlison juggled the ball on his head against Man Utd last season, it was praised.
2. Most Nottingham Forest fans didn’t even care, they saw one of their own clatter him so were happy. Tottenham fans loved seeing the cheek, so both sets of fans are fine.
3. If it was Brennan Johnson doing keepy ups after being 2-0 up against Tottenham, guarantee the commentators would be praising him, and again Forest fans would be happy seeing it, Tottenham fans would be happy seeing him clattered.
I think the media just don’t like Richarlison tbh.
To be fair Richarlison is just an unlikable person
I think the thing is though, it gets swung back
I agree that both sets of fans are fine with it and should be, but you get one group saying 'if he broke his leg he would have had it coming' so the other group pulls their extreme 'johnson tried to murder him for being expressive'
The reality is, it wasn't a dangerous challenge, just a tough one
One that I think mirrored in spirit, if not in skill, the 'showboating' of Richarlison
So for me, the reality is the situation is fine and I don't think neither need to be critiqued, but strangely it seems to be most people insist we pick one side and one must be a villain
@@NephilimHunter1959 actually he is not, he is heavily engaged in charity causes and has an overall very nice personality. Idk where you are from, but maybe that is more of a thing that the British don't like him at all for the way he is. Heck, I'd say the likes of Vinnie Jones was 10x more unlikable back in the day, for example.
@@brushark9090 as a palace supporter, a lot of the talking points people use to hate Richarlison remind me a lot of the discourse on Zaha. Both are really good at winding other players up on the pitch, and both are difficult to play against. Yet both also devote much of their free time to charity and family and seem like all around nice guys when u see them in training and the like. People just love to spin narratives and make up bad guys where they don’t exist.
Yeah I totally agree it's more just because people hate Richarlison, if it was Firmino or Gabriel Jesus who did the keepie uppies, nobody would give a crap lol 😅
One of my friends has a similar outlook to Richarlison’s keepy uppies and told me it is disrespectful. I showed him Liverpool’s score line against Bournemouth. By the same logic, Liverpool should be banned from playing football altogether
Apples and oranges comparison.
What were you even trying to prove?
exactly...
I've got nothing against what Richarlison did but that's not a like for like comparison. Liverpool scoring nine rather than four could in theory change where they finish in the league. Richarlison's only objective was to take the piss (fair enough though).
A comparison would be when Allan Saint-Maximin stopped dribbling, dances and moved his body side to side without touching the ball, and saying that's disrespectful. Fits the criteria. It's pointless showboating that doesn't add to his game. He could've just dribbled the ball and avoided the player.
I don't understand how that's bad enough to deserve a yellow card like some people talk about. Which is pretty ridiculous, really.
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Also I don't remember people condemning Saint-Maximin when he did this. It's falls under showboating too.
m I am trying to prove is that if a couple of kippy uppies can disrespect you, what will that score line do?
Excellent content as always Alfie. It's good to know that there are still people like you out there, who at the very least can think for themselves and are not devoid of reasoning and objectivity
Apart from the fact he does exactly what he complains about, regarding politics. He wasn't even born in the 80's.
Seen it before with Nathan Oduwa at Rangers he did a rainbow flick on a player and you'd think he broke someone's leg the way the commentary team went on. Later in the game he took a bad tackle and they insinuated he deserved it for doing flicks and step overs. Next day the print media were calling him disrespectful to his opponents.
You're absolutely spot on. Much as I can't stand Richarlison, I don't want to see the lad get injured. Maybe custard-pied in the face every now and then, like as if he was on a Saturday morning kids tv show, but not kicked up and down the place.
Henry done it while running with the ball! It was magnificent! Keep it up with the flair, it makes the game more entertaining.
The guy done 3 kick ups and then laid the ball off to his team mate. There was nobody tackling him at the time. Get a grip.
Also, who remembers when nutmegging was considered to be taking the piss?
And even then his pass was inaccurate and bounced back to him off an opponent
Henry did it to try and get past an opponent, Richarlison did it with no intention of going anywhere to disrespect, huge difference between the 2.
@@jamespicksley5781 also henry actually got somewhere with it, richarlison made the wrong decision to pass to a player under pressure for the ball back and got clattered. Embarrassing.
I once had my life threatened at an U17 Football match in South Africa for simply winning a foot race towards the ball and clearing it before the attacker. The problem of violent idiocy in football fans is a worldwide problem
I agree.
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If you cannot stop a player within the rules of the game from dribbling, then its your fault. You are not a good enough player, and your team isnt good enough. To then create a false narrative that in a competitive sports match that using learned skills like dribbling is disrespectful....just beyond the pale. The fact is, if a player waste time dribbling because they have a lead, its because the opposition are getting beaten by a superior opponent or tactic. If they need to break rules, fouling players that do that, then they just show how crap they are as a player and how poor the team spirit it. No fight to win, just petulant personal animus because "you are making me look bad cry cry cry".
If they don't want to get "DiSrEsPeCtEd" I advise them to be better defenders.
They should ask VVD how to intercept dribblings or something, but don't cry that the others are bad people for being better than you. That's incredibly childish and extremely sensitive.
They were fighting, the whole game. And they still were up until the final whistle. The only person who stopped caring about the game in that moment was the guy who took the time to taunt a far weaker opponent. That's why they were pissed off.
@@todd1928 Being outclassed sucks, man.
@@gandalf_thegrey this has nothing to do with being outclassed. Keepie-uppies are a schoolyard drill that every player on the field can do in their sleep. They weren't angry about the loss, they were angry about Richarlison being a dick.
@@todd1928 and they took the bait, proving how inferior they actually were
American here: this video also reminds me of the discourse around the unwritten rules of baseball. People forget that these are games meant for entertainment.
Doing keepy uppies is disrespectful but keeping the ball on the corner flag at the 90th minute resulting in a 4-man pile up and fists being thrown isn't?
One is a viable tactic, the other is blatant disrespect towards a fellow professional.
@@backtothefifa1059 please go touch grass
@@backtothefifa1059 how is it disrespectful? It's just as pointless as stepovers that go nowhere and bobbing the ball with headers.
@@backtothefifa1059 it entertainment the other one is a dirty tactic
@@backtothefifa1059 also keepy uppies can also be used to waste time just as much as idling with the ball and baiting players to press.
Alfie this is exceptional. You made every point perfectly and every insult I’ll back til the grave. Well done
Foden:*delibretly wasting time by faking an injury* Pundits:what a smart player playing with Atletico nevers
Richarlison: *does kick ups while his team leads* Pundits:we don't do that in our nation
Atletico get destroyed by the media every time they play an English team
Apparently wasting time rolling around on the ground is tactical while wasting time doing keepy uppies is not. Faking injuries doesn't deserve retaliation while doing a trick that doesn't stop play does?
i think i just started crying with laughter from about 18 minutes or so onwards lol.
this is a great video alphy
Of all the HITC uploads I see right before bed, this is the one I felt I had to watch.
As a Spurs fan, I have no problem with neither the keepie uppies or the tackle. Had someone in Nottingham done the same I probably would've cheered if Richarlison fouled him, but I wouldn't want to punish the Nottingham player either.
It's not a perfect comparison but it brings to mind when a basketball player scores in the dying seconds when up by a fair few points. The other team starts pushing and shoving, whining about the 'code' or some crap. Basically, if you don't like it, you should have played better
That wasn't just scoring though. That was doing a windmill dunk up by 15. It's an attempt to humiliate your opponent when you're going to win.
@@todd1928 for every windmill dunk though, there's a lance Stephenson simply laying it in. In any case, if you don't like it, don't be losing and definitely don't take it out on them physically. Next time, remember what happened and win the game and then rub it in his face
@@todd1928 You should defend better when your game results in your opponent not even trying anymore within normal game time.
It's their fault they got so many goals a club like Tottenham (aka serial bottlers) doesn't even need to put effort in.
Maybe the wrong league? Maybe ask VVD how to defend a dribbling properly?
Maybe pull yourself out of that self-pity and accept that your bad performance, not the keepy uppies are what's disrespectful.... Towards the fans? YOUR fans.
So many questions, but at the end of the day, Richarlison has done nothing bad, some people just have a 20 inch wooden stick up their arse.
@@Reynolds69er you say that like these are two evenly matched teams and all Nottingham have to do is try a little harder. This a newly promoted side being humiliated by a premier league powerhouse. "Just win next time" is a pretty weak response.
@@todd1928 Being offended by being outclassed is also a pretty weak response.
Well done Alfie: sadly the reaction mirrors how this country has become a xenophobic cesspit, particularly post 2016 which seemed to normalise racism and all that comes with it.
How did you get racism out of that video?
This 25 mins keepie uppies of HITC Sevens is absolute GOLD. By the way, can you do the sucess current years of Vietnam football?
Outstanding analysis. Quality, depth, and great bits of humor as always. Alfie is the best football journalist on the internet, change my mind
Can’t disagree mate. I watch Alfie’s videos even when the subject doesn’t really interest me as I know the depth of research will be outstanding.
@@pjsmith2744 same
He's Brazilian, they show a bit of flare and live for football. Not like English players, kane, maguire etc, lumping the ball about
Kane 'lumping the ball about' is a bit of a harsh assessment hahaha
Although I agree with the sentiment of your statement, describing Kane like that is just retarded.
Ah yes, so much flair involved in doing 3 keepie-uppies and misplacing a pass. Not like most of us had mastered that 'skill' at 7, is it? I bet Ronaldinho is crying himself to sleep with jealousy this week.
Of course showboating should be encouraged. It makes the game more entertaining.
While doing those keepie-uppies, the ball was still in open play so any forest player could have attempted a fair tackle to try and take the ball from him so I don't see the problem.
As for it being disrespectful, it simply just isn't. People probably considered the Cryuff turn "showboating" and "disrespect" when Cryuff started doing it. Now it's a core skill taught to every academy prospect 🤷♂️
An XI of if Scandinavia banded together and how well they'd do in major tournaments
They'd win them all so easily it wouldn't even be funny. Denmark is number 10 in the FIFA rankings without having a striker worth their salt for over a decade while Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Iceland have fostered some brilliant or at least decent strikers but without having a reliable world class central defense or midfield like Denmark. So just take the Danish team, sprinkle in a dash of Haaland and Isak on top, and you got yourself an unstoppable tournament winning team.
No
A German channel made a video about that if you can understand it
@@SaturnusDK No way. They would improve but not to those levels.
… while I wouldn’t say they would win this World Cup… a United Nordic team would have won at a minimum one World Cup in the years since the 2nd world war …definitely …… I also would be facilitated to see if in 1950 when the 4 British teams came back into fifa if they only entered the world cups as a single untied British team how many World Cup wins that team would have had by now …… as we know England on its own won once on home soil … but a United team could have been another Italy or Germany on 3 plus wins easily?! ?
I thought Richarlison's keepie-uppies was more a flippant reaction to being stuck on the bench and coming on in the 85th minute than any sort of showboating on his part.
You're correct about Len Shackleton, there's no greater showboater to come out of the British game than him.
Keep-Ups aren't the same as a step-over or Rabona, not in this case anyway. Rabona's and step-overs are done to gain some sort of an advantage within the game, Richarlison's keep-ups were simply just done to do them. If he was attacking
Forest and the opportunity came to do keep-ups over and around players Ronaldinho-esque, then everyone would be saying "Wow he's playing like Ronaldinho" and would be on his side if he got clattered.
100% agree. He was taunting the opposition. Flair moves in the context of gaining an attacking advantage are completely different
If Richalison was Ronaldinho or Neymar that move would have been praised 😑
Just dinho. People hate on neymar for “showboating” too
Who knows with these EPL pundits. Someday they would say skilfully dribbling and nutmegs are a disgrace to the sport.
@@realchriswrld3149 I think Neymar's diving made him unpopular...that in turn made his showboating just as hated as well.
this is a slippery slope, I'm also a baseball fan and the "Unwritten rules" of baseball are literally the worst part of the game
Great take on this and I love your stuff. You are 100 percent right and this shouldn't be so frowned upon. Let them express themselves.
The Queen's meme aged poorly...
hot take: physically assaulting people is bad actually
stunning and brave
Flair and technique are assets and tools footballers possess and must be permitted to employ in the game, showboating or not. Anyone who uses violence in retaliation should be subject to VAR, red carding and banning depending on the gravity of the altercation. Yes, showboating is silly, but often dribblers are assaulted with impunity and if that’s the route you seek, I recommend Rugby or Hockey instead.
Why is showboating silly? It's an expression of creativity and love for the game. Nothing silly about that. Taking offense at such an act is silly, not showboating itself.
@@Jonathanizer because it is arrogant and prideful. I’m Brazilian, I don’t mind a trick or two to get past an opponent which is NOT what he did. Hence it’s silly.
@@athosgomesfonseca Well, i'm not Brazilian, i'm German, not sure why that matters though. Not only do i not mind "a trick or two", i enjoy it. Players like Rene Higuita are true entertainers. And that's the whole purpose of watching football: to be entertained. Not everything needs to be directly going towards the final score on the board. When Mario Balotelli kicked Germany out of the Euros a few years back, i did not mind his meme celebration, in fact i took it as consolation, that at least something funny came from that loss. People need to get that stick out of their ass, football is supposed to be fun.
So it is not only not silly, it is actually better than not making a "trick or two". Of course football can be tremendously entertaining without any tricks or showboating or something alike, but i would argue it doesn't hurt anyone, and certainly doesn't lower the entertainment value for the viewers. I can't imagine anybody saying "i was less entertained by this football match, because there was too many tricks, dribbles, back heels, rabonas and bicycle kicks." Can you?
Strongly agree with your general point but the video was perhaps a little too long :)
Watching the old school players vent their toxic views around this has been nauseating to say the least.
Glad someone has come out to represent those of us with a different view on this.
Which part should be edited out?
@@peteraleksandrovich5923 The parts that IMO don't add much. The whole thing could have been more condensed IMO
I was literally so excited when I heard ray hudsons voice on the psg game today. Was like finally we get a break from all these mad moaning former player turn pundits
This video should be taught in your schools. you blended the culutre, the class and the history beautifully.
I agree with Alfie on this, but I disagree with his way of describing the incident referring to Richarlison's showboating as 'doing keepy-uppies' and to Johnson's tackle as 'kicking someone down'.
Both of those actions need to be seen in the context of a football match. While Johnson was technically 'kicking someone down' it was still just a tackle, one of the most common occurances in football, whilst juggling the ball in the middle of a game is very much not a common occurrance, and is pretty much objectively seen as a way of humiliating your opponent.
Still, I don't think Richarlison did anything wrong, and I agree that 'showboating' is a natural part of the game and adds to entertainment value. I also don't think Johnson did anything particularly wrong by performing what I would describe as a 'hard challenge' on Richarlison.
johnson didnt just foul him in fairness he clattered into him with no regard for the ball
@@lamp2391 It was needlessly hard, sure, but it's the kind of tackle you've seen a thousand times before
I dont get it. So when teams are ahead they should pass the ball to the opponents instead of doing things to try to hold up play and wind down time?
There's a difference between showboating by doing something useful such as a skill move around an opponent and doing something useless like juggling with no purpose. I for example didn't mind when Neymar did a rainbow flick to get by an opponent because it was useful to the game. Richarlison had no end goal besides to disrespect the Forrest players. It was like he was just spitting in their faces for no reason. I would have been fine if a yellow was given to richarlison in this case
No.
mentality, he got in their heads and it benefited his team in the end
Alfie, wow, hats off Man! Your objective point of view is sooo priceless. It, unfortunately , becomes a real rarity these days. I do not agree with you on all issues that you talk about in your videos, but here - you're more than spot on. You're quality bloke. Respect!
As a Forest fan I had no real problem with the keepy uppies nor Johnsons reaction. If you are good enough to do it fair play, but it is as all the other cases of showboating he mentioned it is also about sending a message that "you aren't good enough to stop me" so therefore it is asking for a response. He got one. The end.
Yes, Johnson proved Richarlison's point. He was, in fact, not good enough. That's an L in my books ✍
0:28 didn’t age well
There is, or was a similar thing in (ice)hockey, over the last couple of years. Because it used to be a super rough sport, and fans and pundits were proud of that. So any form of expression was oftentimes criticized as bad for the game, and people (rightly) claimed that it wouldn’t have happened before. But the skill took over, and now people welcome it. So I guess it will just take a bit longer for football, but you’ll get there
A lot of people haven't enjoyed ice hockey going soft. A lot of the appeal of hockey was players like Neeley and lucic. In the past few years hockey has become a more boring version of football. The thing that made ice hockey unique was violence and aggression.
Nobody watches ice hockey
@@lordofwar338 hits in ice hockey have increased in the past few years and are comparable to "the good old days" so many players were injured at the start of the last season. I don't condom it or say it's good or anything but at least there's integrity in ice hockey. No embellishment or "winning" of penalties or in footballs case "fouls". I do agree though that its good to see personalities shine on the ice to an extent. Ovi's hot stick celebration in a blow out although isnt showing good sportsmanship and for me personally you shouldn't be celebrating when your team is winning 7:2 in the third period I do think there's a place for it.
While I agree with the take on the situation, your attributing the reaction to a British mentality I do not (although the proporionality might be telling).
This is a conflict that has been going on for a long time and in many if not most footballing regions, Brazil being no exception.
Seriously, didn't they see what happened to Kerlon?
Yeah, we've seen it happen in international football many times, even at World Cups but I don't think it's really about show boating per se. It's more that players don't like time wasting.
@@n.d.miller1543 And that was despite his thing most definately being done for gamplay purposes (and porpoises).
I remember listening to a documetary about Ronaldinho and he was repeatedly warned (in Brazil) not to dribble the way he did because if someone injured him "he'd only have himself to blame".
@@jubei7259 I don't think that's all there is to it. I see the reactions (on and off the pitch) to something like this and to "normal" time wasting as differing, but that might just be confiramtion bias on my part.
@@dhaenir Can confirm, in Brazil it's no different. Look up the Corinthians vs Palmeiras brawl here th-cam.com/video/pdWjOBJUS_Y/w-d-xo.html During all the brawl the commenters are justifying the agressions throught it all
What keeps it alive is how football is played as a kid's game without rules and referees outside of the professional setting, where showboating is in the spirit of the game being played.
As a brazilian, I'm here to congratulate you on a absurdly reasonable and well thought out response.
It may seem absurd, but pundits here are not much different from England about showboating and defend the aggressors way more than the ones actually playing the sport as it's intended, in fact, what keeps the flair and creativity alive is the fact football is played a lot as a kid game, without much rules nor coaches and referees on absurd fields and "balls" (like playing with a smashed up can of soda during school break).
People condoning the foul for "showboating" make a clear lack of adult-level reasoning apparent.
I agree I see nothing wrong with it, similarly with arsenal whenever they celebrate they get instantly shut down for over celebrating, for me this stuff makes the game exciting and differs from the robotic respect all the time. While I believe everyone needs respect, this adds to the game.
It’s the same thing in baseball in the USA honestly. About 5-7ish years ago there was this whole debate about how if a batter hits a home run, should he be allowed by the unwritten rules to flip his bat and pound his chest and showboat while he rounds the bases? The answer used to be no, and the pitcher would be well within his unwritten rights to throw a baseball 90+ miles per hour straight at that batter the next time around. Thank god this behavior remains only in a few crusty old heads who everyone hates. But the general sentiment still remains to an extent and it’s sad.
Honestly in baseball if a pitcher deliberately beans a batter I’d like to see the batter go up to the mound with their bat and see how the pitcher likes it.
0:28 aged well
Anyone notice at 0:28 he said being "DEADly serious" then showed a picture of the queen...
Jamie Carragher is a goon. His only skill on a football pitch was booting the ball into the stands
Great defender though
Alfie, you really are one of the most sane not just football channel, but just as a football fan out there. I've watched your vids for about 2-3 years and I've never been bored because of your content. Your way of keeping the humanity in football feels like a dying breed as people would rather watch someone try and break someone's leg than watch actual football.
I'm all in for a hard challenge, I really am. But just don't do it with the intention of breaking someone else's legs.
If you have a problem with his keepy uppies I question your love of football
I disagree but opinion based game , using skill get past a player is fine , when you are standing still attempting take the piss and only able do 3 kicks ups is why he needed be kicked .
Hes a pro my daughter can do 15 and she's 9 ,
So he should of kept it up an tried run keeping the ball up using skill . The fact he did it and it wasn't very eye catching a brazilian he needed be kicked .
Maybe he will use more flair now not jist try do kick ups and yes try as 3 is pathetic
sensational video, alfie. imagine not liking football but still watching it every single week
Is he (potentially) hurting anyone? Nope
Does he get any unfair advantage? I don't think so
Then it shouldn't be a problem
Every major sport has sportsmanship rules. Sportsman like behavior frequently is tot hurting anyone and no unfair advantage. Your logic doesn't really work here imo. Im not saying showboating should be illegal either.
@@oisinquinn9469 so he’s better then most players on the pitch and shouldn’t be allowed to show it?
Let’s not forget Hoddle and Spurs’ reaction after a preseason game in South Africa, against Orlando Pirates 🏴☠️
I don’t like Spurs or Richarlison at all but completely agree with everything said in this video - the overreaction to this has been INSANE.
If you look at the footage Richarlison was expecting a challenge when he was doing his poor keepy uppies, when no challenge came he had a concentration lapse and actually gave the ball away.
In his desperation to recover the ball, it was then and only then he was tackled by Brennan Johnson, in fact, he could of done the tackle himself and got more than a yellow card as has happened before. For instance, If that had led to a goal for Nottingham Forest no one would be praising him
What's the big deal about this it's a skill within football perfectly legal the things people get upset with these days never ceases to amaze me.
Thank you Alfie for addressing this absolute cockwobble. You’re a saintly supporter of the beautiful game.
Great video!
But as a brazilian I have to come in here to tell you that going after players showboating isn't even an English only thing, over here in Brazil there's lots of examples of fights breaking out from players showboating, one famous example I remember from way back and you can find it if u search, "Edilson Corinthians v Palmeiras" where Edilson after scoring a championship winner, starts showboating and starts a huge fight, because both teams are big rivals and doing it in a final...well you can see the problem.
If we didn't allow showboating, we'd never have gotten to see Ronaldinho play. Who wants to live in that world? Not me.
0:27 Well that aged well
" the festering swamp of idiocy, otherwise know as talksport" - That sir is spot on description, with the brutality that it thoroughly deserves. Thank you!
This kind of socio-political analysis is exactly why this channel is so good 😂
I learned more about British culture on your channel than in school, even.
I mean. I’m from Germany and we actually don’t learn stuff about Britain here. But my point stands.
Make a top 7 about legends of a club they played for one season, like Kanté at Leicester, Vieri at Atleti or Papin at Club Brugge.
Thank you.
Papin didn't no he played for Brugge.
Dorkjeff Bolton
0:26 HITC Sevens predicting the queens death. This better be number one in next years 22/23 predictions review list
and yet so many of the people who said it was fine for Richarlison to showboat had a go at Arsenal for *celebrating winning a game*
Breathe of fresh air. Brilliant content as always. Beautifully delivered as well.
Glad that referees finally give cards for such things. The English game in general is known for being quite hard overseas and that this didn't happen in the past. If you think footballer "should be hard" when they got obviously fouled watch a different game.
Nonsense, why turn football into a sterile game full of stoppages & players who go down on a single knock??
Yeah, I‘d say very few people think Richarlison should have had his leg broken for show boating either, but I’m really glad you’re here to put them in their place...
I hope that Richarlison keeps it up! He’s going to be a great signing for us!
I also thought it's because Richarlison did it that made such huge debate, since he's not very likeable character, imagine if it were other players did it, it would be less talked about.
Anyway I actually like Richarlison's game, the bad boy character is something we need in every teams
I agree, and I actually think that if Jack grealish did this the media would’ve praised him for his brilliant skills or whatever
It's a taunt, he didn't deserve it but it's not surprising when someone takes the bait.
Takes the bait and HUGELY overreacts because of it.
Professional footballers seem to have very fragile egos.
Linking three keppie-uppies to Margaret Thatcher is brilliant, you’re a man of my own heart ❤️
Even as an Arsenal supporter, I hope every game will have a one minute keepy uppies in support of Richarlison. I hope every team does keep uppies at Nottingham's grounds.
A very level headed response.
Football people (fans, pundits etc) are always talking about respect, but only when it suits them.
As an Everton fan I miss Richarlison 😢
I think the solution of this issue is to remove fans in the stadium and cancel all TV rights and media jobs in Premier League match in the future. So there will be no wasting time for player to play football and they can be more focus to play football. As people say, just kick the ball!
I agree, Carragher does seem balanced and reasonable. Particularly when spitting at children.....
Personally I didn’t even think “hero” Brennan Johnson fouled Richarlison for showboating. Johnson just lost the ball and kicked out at Richy bc he (Johnson) was annoyed with himself for giving it away