It's still interesting to guess though (like Banelings), I'd like to see Widow Mines in stuff. I've done tests with Widow Mines before, sometimes the wins and loses with them can be surprising. Also, landed Vikings.
You REALLY think something the size of a fucking building would lose to SCVs armed with nothing but a weapon similar to a blowtorch, if the game allowed it the Ultra would just step on SCVs and Marines alike because they would be so small compared to the Ultra.
Lorewise, Ultraliks are supposed to be like living battering rams, swarms ultimate linebreaker unit. They not exatly work like that in game, as their dumb size makes them prone to pathfindig issues.
Reminds me of both the HotS opening cinematic and the short story about the Ultralisk (I think it's called Great One). They cleave through human-sized things like nobody's business, and just stomp on the Siege Tank.
@@cray2362 ah definitely. Thor's are supposed to be quite large as well. And their cannons could probably hurt an ultralisk. I remember talking with someone in direct strike how realistic it would be that a ghost snipe an ultra. As in imagine a small bullet on a giant beast like that. Yeah.. realistically nova spec ops ghosts would probably just get crushed under the ultras feets. Not triple tap them.
I mean seriously. Most other games that have an artillery unit you can fuck up with an equal sized army of ground units. Siege tanks just dont give a fuck.
like for effectiveness? Or coolness? I think BC even though they aren't built much. Only like 4 units can trade favorably with them, and in games you can just jump away behind turrets after yamatoing so you still do better.
Ultras should have at least 2 range. And yes, they hit with melee attacks, but being melee with 10m blades always looked weird to me. But again... the reason (lorewise) to do splash damage is because they have 2 extra pair of blades, not because those blades are huge. Cheers!
Massed siege tanks are absolutely brutal against any ground forces. High damage, long range, and getting the opening couple rounds of attack before most can respond means everything gets pounded before it can even fight back. I especially love them in ranks so its this endless wave of explosions for every foot they move closer.
The channel really improved the handling of Siege Tanks. These videos used to have the tanks run in and only siege up when the enemy is in their sight range. Do this versus fight a couple of months ago and the tanks would lose because they're not pre-sieged.
@@amplesstratleholm7609 Nah, tanks have far higher single dps in non-siege mode and while the range is nice, it probably would have been roughly similar or an even harder win for the tanks.
@@artemis_fowl44hd92 The problem is, the tanks wouldnt generally fight unsieged. They would run into range, then go into siege mode, costing them their entire range advantage because mecha shifting takes a couple seconds easy.. It was about as effective as hydralisks running into melee range before they start launching spikes.
The main problem is that the Ghosts had no buffer, so once the Ultralisks closed the distance, the Ghosts were toast. Steady Targetting requires the Ghost not receive any damage while they're channeling, and then they do 170 damage if they are successful (so 3 shots will kill an Ultralisk). If it's interrupted or cancelled, the 50 casting energy is refunded.
@@WaterCrane And I'm pretty sure that there were snipe restrictions placed on the ghosts, that would have meant more overkill, but also a more guaranteed shot amount.
Well to be fair, the siege tanks should have time to siege before a slow unit like an Ultralisk would arrive anyway. Forcing them to siege when they are in weapons range make no sense, or run it twice with both ways.
@@dfyz1407 Yeah I think a lot of them died without using all their snipe energy. After the first volley of snipes they would use the next snipe at random.
@@JohnMasterCheif Ok I looked it up. It has a 1.43 second cool down but when you use the skill it takes 1.43 seconds to shot but they have to not take damage during that time which is probably why it felt a bit more random when they would use snipe. With ultras aoe a lot of them couldn't use snipe.
Damn, the ghosts nearly made it. If they just had the triple tap upgrade they woulda been good. Also, that Cyclone comment makes me want to see Cyclones vs Diamondbacks.
@@gimmethegepgun Yeah I watched it, but it was pretty unsatisfying. It's one of the match ups which really doesn't work with just hordes attack moving at each other. I wanna see small numbers of them racing around tracks. I mean, the whole point is that Diamondbacks and Cyclones can move while shooting but that didn't come into play in the video at all.
8/9, just got ghosts wrong. I thought their snipes would come in handy, but the sheer number of ghosts that died mid-snipe was something I didn't consider
@@Gnefitisis There's also generally something in between the ghosts and the ultras, or the ghosts are split better. Heck, one line of ghosts with the rest 3 paces behind would have won this fight.
Ultras counter ghosts, got it. Also, did no expect the hellbats to do so well! Even though their damage isn't so high, they're much more durable than you'd expect.
Honestly I think Ultras need a buff or something to make them more useful in games. They're so expensive. They're like ground based battlecruisers or carriers but they don't work nearly as well.
I find they work best as an unexpected tech switch. It's especially brutal against Protoss if their ground force doesn't have many Immortals, and it's a surprisingly good counter against Carriers because the capital ships can't kill them fast enough and there often aren't enough ground forces to stop them from rampaging through the enemy base. There's also a nice Ultralisk rush against Terran where they run along a creep highway backed up by Queens transfusing them. (It was used against Ketroc once and he only defended it because a lucky scan revealed an Ultralisk Cavern at 6 minutes)
very surprised that ghosts lost and cyclones won. figured that cyclones would be way too squishy to last without kiting, and that ghosts would get off more snipes
7.8/10 nova didn't get wrecked. More seriously, though, that's a good video, sticks to it's theme. Could've used a bonus round of 20 Ultras against 1 or 2 of each unit though, just to see what would happen..
So this basically came down to unit density (unsurprisingly). If the ultras could hit ~4 or more units/swing, they won. Otherwise, they got trashed, even against units that normally lose everything, like the cyclone. I didn't realize this going in however, so my score is a fat ol' 3/8
Only one I missed was cyclones, which I damn near abstained on since i have no idea what their stats are. I don't use them, and I only really see them in Co-op. I know they die to nova's snipe or Kerrigan's kinetic blast. Much past that...? Dunno
@@HellecticMojo do cyclones show up anywhere in coop? I know for Nova in particular if I'm gonna micro it's usually either Nova herself or her Ravens, since those are insanely good.
6/8, not bad i quess... Ghosts were really disappointing tho... Also I've thought that 600 reapers will be enough to just overwhelm ultrals by the numbers, yet, it happens to become just an huge onslaught)
Why did 20 Thors beat 20 Ultralisks so easily. Since they are basically the same unit, but just in a difference faction and the Thro can also shoot in the air, but Ultralisks not. So aren;t the Thros way to overpwored then?
Note to self: Thors counter Ultras. Ultras are primarily good at chewing through hordes of small (more units fit into splash range), light (very bad match to an Ultra's quick attacks) units that attack quickly (maximizing the number of times the Ultra's insane armor value is calculated). Thors are none of these things: they are huge, heavy and each hit punches straight through the armor. The fact that they outrange the Ultras is just a bonus.
8/8 Marine VS Ultra tends to be in Ultras favor most of the time, but my hopes sank for a bit in the middle. Marauders, unlike Marines, are anti-armor. This can only end one way for me. Reapers get eaten alive my Ultras, having 500 doesn't make a difference, but damn if watching that massacre isn't satisfying. At first I thought Ghosts because Snipe spam, but then I saw they didn't have the OG Snipe and switched my vote. Hellbats are anti-light, but I didn't expect them to nearly win against the Ultras. I've seen the first LOTV unit showcase involving the Cyclone, I knew it can crush an Ultra. Without kiting, my doubts were raised though. Massed Siege Tanks paste anything on the ground when sieged, no contest. Thor VS Ultra, Thors have range and I think anti-armor ground weapon. They win this no problem.
To be fair Ultras already have great splash damage even without the noxious strain. If we are talking about HotS upgrades then Monarch Blades (the upgrade that gives +20 splash damage) would also allow Ultras to tear through infantry. If you had Torrasque Ultralisks, then the Ultras probably could win every battle here
7/8 Holy shit, I expected the cyclones to simply just fold, but no, they wiped the Ultras, and that Hellbat round was too close for comfort, I said “Pfft, Hellbats are going to lose, they’re anti-light and anti-small.” Guess I was wrong.
Not really, in real play Thor is only useful as anti air. They are too slow and low range to use in any matchups for anti ground. Good players just pick them off or abuse their immobility.
I know widow mines are ground units, but they either win outright or lose outright, it's really difficult to fit them into this format.
It's still interesting to guess though (like Banelings), I'd like to see Widow Mines in stuff. I've done tests with Widow Mines before, sometimes the wins and loses with them can be surprising.
Also, landed Vikings.
You didn't do landed Vikings either.
goliaths?
We need the same against protoss and zerg ground units
I'd like to see them more
I always love when 600 reapers stand still, dying to ultralisks and one screams "HIT AND RUN"
HIT AND STAND
even better when he yells it part of the group strait up charged the ultras... doing the exact opposite.
@@erickuo2786 STAND AND DIEEEEEE
Did they throw mines?
@@SilvitewolfI mean they did run just the wrong way
Did not think the Hellbats would do that much damage.
arent they technically anti-armor?
@@rigen97 nope anti light unit though
@@enciorandomvlogs9694 ah, hmm, I was thinking of something else then
@@rigen97 perhaps you're thinking about landed Viking? Their machine guns is anti-armor.
@@spearsage anti-mechanical, not anti-armoured
Can't believe you don't think SCVs are ground units. They deserve respect!
SCVs actually float a couple inches above the ground, hence making them technically air units.
@@bmpixy Don't forget SCF is the only melee Terran unit
I dont think even a NASA computer could keep up with the amount of scv's needed to make it worth while
Or Goliaths.
You REALLY think something the size of a fucking building would lose to SCVs armed with nothing but a weapon similar to a blowtorch, if the game allowed it the Ultra would just step on SCVs and Marines alike because they would be so small compared to the Ultra.
Lorewise, Ultraliks are supposed to be like living battering rams, swarms ultimate linebreaker unit. They not exatly work like that in game, as their dumb size makes them prone to pathfindig issues.
I think lorewise 20 ultralisk would just trample over most terran ground units without much damage at all.
Reminds me of both the HotS opening cinematic and the short story about the Ultralisk (I think it's called Great One). They cleave through human-sized things like nobody's business, and just stomp on the Siege Tank.
@@XenoEagle I feel like a Thor would have some decent capacity vs an Ultra though
Coop kinda fixed with the underground charge, but vanilla ultra is just a hot mess
@@cray2362 ah definitely. Thor's are supposed to be quite large as well. And their cannons could probably hurt an ultralisk.
I remember talking with someone in direct strike how realistic it would be that a ghost snipe an ultra. As in imagine a small bullet on a giant beast like that. Yeah.. realistically nova spec ops ghosts would probably just get crushed under the ultras feets. Not triple tap them.
I swear siege tanks are the best unit ever made in any game
I mean seriously. Most other games that have an artillery unit you can fuck up with an equal sized army of ground units. Siege tanks just dont give a fuck.
@@wolfwarrior1176 WoL Immortal would beg to differ.
Agreed, the quotes are amazing, the idea is cool and the model looks great
Halo marines said it best. Tank beats everything!
like for effectiveness? Or coolness? I think BC even though they aren't built much. Only like 4 units can trade favorably with them, and in games you can just jump away behind turrets after yamatoing so you still do better.
After the first couple of times, the fact that a few Ultra's always spend the beginning of the fight just running around the back starts to hurt...
Ultras should have at least 2 range. And yes, they hit with melee attacks, but being melee with 10m blades always looked weird to me.
But again... the reason (lorewise) to do splash damage is because they have 2 extra pair of blades, not because those blades are huge.
Cheers!
Massed siege tanks are absolutely brutal against any ground forces. High damage, long range, and getting the opening couple rounds of attack before most can respond means everything gets pounded before it can even fight back. I especially love them in ranks so its this endless wave of explosions for every foot they move closer.
The channel really improved the handling of Siege Tanks. These videos used to have the tanks run in and only siege up when the enemy is in their sight range. Do this versus fight a couple of months ago and the tanks would lose because they're not pre-sieged.
@@amplesstratleholm7609 Nah, tanks have far higher single dps in non-siege mode and while the range is nice, it probably would have been roughly similar or an even harder win for the tanks.
@@artemis_fowl44hd92 The problem is, the tanks wouldnt generally fight unsieged. They would run into range, then go into siege mode, costing them their entire range advantage because mecha shifting takes a couple seconds easy.. It was about as effective as hydralisks running into melee range before they start launching spikes.
@@chrishubbard64 Oh, you meant them sieging during the battle. Yeah, they would have obviously lost that
or ultras are just pretty bad against anything with more than 10 damage
What about Vikings in Land Mode?
Didn't you watch the Heart of the Swarm intro movie lmao
@@beaf8411 Viking does a cool transformation and goes BRRRRT but Ultralisk just shoves it to the side lol
7/8 I'm not sure if it was the ai being dumb or if I just don't know how snipe works but I didn't expect ghosts to lose.
The main problem is that the Ghosts had no buffer, so once the Ultralisks closed the distance, the Ghosts were toast. Steady Targetting requires the Ghost not receive any damage while they're channeling, and then they do 170 damage if they are successful (so 3 shots will kill an Ultralisk). If it's interrupted or cancelled, the 50 casting energy is refunded.
@@WaterCrane And I'm pretty sure that there were snipe restrictions placed on the ghosts, that would have meant more overkill, but also a more guaranteed shot amount.
@@artemis_fowl44hd92 I think the cancel/refund still applies if the target they're aiming at is killed in the interim (by anothet Snipe in this case).
Once the ultras are in melee range the splash means only the very back line can do more snipes.
@@WaterCrane So there were enough ghosts to snipe all the ultras in one volley.
“Whole lotta pain!” (Gets sliced in half)
Also, this new Starship Troopers movie looks really good!
Love how the siege tanks are pre sieged.
Thank everyone who complained. :)
Well to be fair, the siege tanks should have time to siege before a slow unit like an Ultralisk would arrive anyway. Forcing them to siege when they are in weapons range make no sense, or run it twice with both ways.
Perfect for me. The marauders were the most surprising though! Thought it would be closer!
Love this kind of practical series
A lot of people are going to lose the perfect because of ghosts. You'd really expect them to do better.
I think, ghost could win, even if u don't change anything, just rnd
@@dfyz1407 Yeah I think a lot of them died without using all their snipe energy. After the first volley of snipes they would use the next snipe at random.
yeah...you'd think they'd just use their snipe ability until they have no more energy. unless there's a cooldown I don't remember them having?
@@JohnMasterCheif Ok I looked it up. It has a 1.43 second cool down but when you use the skill it takes 1.43 seconds to shot but they have to not take damage during that time which is probably why it felt a bit more random when they would use snipe. With ultras aoe a lot of them couldn't use snipe.
The magic of area damage
Damn, the ghosts nearly made it. If they just had the triple tap upgrade they woulda been good.
Also, that Cyclone comment makes me want to see Cyclones vs Diamondbacks.
There was Cyclone vs Diamondback in one episode.
It went really badly for the Cyclone if I remember correctly.
@@gimmethegepgun Yeah I watched it, but it was pretty unsatisfying. It's one of the match ups which really doesn't work with just hordes attack moving at each other. I wanna see small numbers of them racing around tracks. I mean, the whole point is that Diamondbacks and Cyclones can move while shooting but that didn't come into play in the video at all.
8/9, just got ghosts wrong. I thought their snipes would come in handy, but the sheer number of ghosts that died mid-snipe was something I didn't consider
They take an eternity to cast. I had expected more auto-attacks, which kinda screws them since ghosts are better vs light
Usually it's s hard counter, but there usually aren't 20 ultras.
@@Gnefitisis There's also generally something in between the ghosts and the ultras, or the ghosts are split better. Heck, one line of ghosts with the rest 3 paces behind would have won this fight.
HoTS music is a great touch. It may appear insignificant but music sets the vibe.
Ultras counter ghosts, got it. Also, did no expect the hellbats to do so well! Even though their damage isn't so high, they're much more durable than you'd expect.
Well they have quite nice AoE on top of not necessarily bad dmg.
You forgot landed vikings, aka heart of the swarm intro.
*A perfect 9/9*
The timing of the Cyclone was just perfect and the Hellbat match was clutch.
There were only 8 battles
@@Lrripper ether way I got them all correct.
Man, ghost chose the wrong day to forget cloaking tech
So, is this all made using the editor, or a specific thing in the arcade/melee?
Honestly I think Ultras need a buff or something to make them more useful in games. They're so expensive. They're like ground based battlecruisers or carriers but they don't work nearly as well.
I find they work best as an unexpected tech switch. It's especially brutal against Protoss if their ground force doesn't have many Immortals, and it's a surprisingly good counter against Carriers because the capital ships can't kill them fast enough and there often aren't enough ground forces to stop them from rampaging through the enemy base.
There's also a nice Ultralisk rush against Terran where they run along a creep highway backed up by Queens transfusing them. (It was used against Ketroc once and he only defended it because a lucky scan revealed an Ultralisk Cavern at 6 minutes)
8/8
Bet on anti armor with range, otherwise the Ultra.
7/8 i did what felt like the correct thing and assumed that cyclones would just die but was pleasently supprised at their win
very surprised that ghosts lost and cyclones won.
figured that cyclones would be way too squishy to last without kiting, and that ghosts would get off more snipes
What about Warhound, diamondbacks, or heroes?
Are they not Terran or ground or units?
7.8/10 nova didn't get wrecked. More seriously, though, that's a good video, sticks to it's theme. Could've used a bonus round of 20 Ultras against 1 or 2 of each unit though, just to see what would happen..
0:28 looks like that ultralisk likes to play football with corpses c:
you should do firebats vs scourge
This video is living proof that ultralisks have been unfairly hard done by
So this basically came down to unit density (unsurprisingly). If the ultras could hit ~4 or more units/swing, they won. Otherwise, they got trashed, even against units that normally lose everything, like the cyclone.
I didn't realize this going in however, so my score is a fat ol' 3/8
Some other factors too of course, the Marauser is certainly smaller than the Hellbat.
Why did the ghosts not use all their energy on snipes?
If they get damaged it cancels the snipe. So the splash was cancelling a lot of shots.
I guess, I'm blind and I missed parts, where diamondbacks and firebats were fighting ultralisks, for they are terran ground units too.
I guess they don't count singleplayer units.
All went the way I expected them too, except for Marauders
How do unupgraded ultras fare against fully upgraded marines
Vikings? I wanted the budget HoTS intro cinematic cosplay
7/8 thought the Ghost snips would be enough
I don't think I have ever seen an ultra and a reaper at the same time before.
I wonder would siege tanks in tank mode better vs Ultras?
next do vs every air unit, thx.
How about Void Rays vs various units?
I didn't think the Reapers would get rekt _quite_ this badly.
8/8 i did not expect the fire bat to almost win lol
Those ultras had a buffet!
What’s the value at the bottom stand for?
Those Ultralisk are mowing grass with those marines
The epic battle of vikings vs ultralisks was missing
the hellbats were closer than i thought
I prefer this kind of versus
Your videos began appearing an hour later. Did your country change time?
There was a daylight savings change for the countries that have it
Only one I missed was cyclones, which I damn near abstained on since i have no idea what their stats are. I don't use them, and I only really see them in Co-op. I know they die to nova's snipe or Kerrigan's kinetic blast. Much past that...? Dunno
Cyclones are so fun to micro though...
@@HellecticMojo most of what i play is co-op, and nova doesn't get cyclones. as far as micro, i feel like there are just other units i'd rather micro
@@edschramm6757 okay, fair. I'm kind of surprised Nova doesn't get Cyclones since special forces is an available skin for the ladder.
@@HellecticMojo do cyclones show up anywhere in coop? I know for Nova in particular if I'm gonna micro it's usually either Nova herself or her Ravens, since those are insanely good.
@@edschramm6757 Swann gets them because he's all factories all the time
65 Marauder?!? 85 Ghosts?? Whats the logic behind selecting these odd numbers?
I love hearing ghosts death cry
The one ultra that survived the hellbats... he's my hero.
Man I love thor one of the coolest units in the game.
Very surprised when Thors and STanks won the battle...
6/8, not bad i quess...
Ghosts were really disappointing tho...
Also I've thought that 600 reapers will be enough to just overwhelm ultrals by the numbers, yet, it happens to become just an huge onslaught)
Why did 20 Thors beat 20 Ultralisks so easily. Since they are basically the same unit, but just in a difference faction and the Thro can also shoot in the air, but Ultralisks not. So aren;t the Thros way to overpwored then?
Note to self: Thors counter Ultras. Ultras are primarily good at chewing through hordes of small (more units fit into splash range), light (very bad match to an Ultra's quick attacks) units that attack quickly (maximizing the number of times the Ultra's insane armor value is calculated). Thors are none of these things: they are huge, heavy and each hit punches straight through the armor. The fact that they outrange the Ultras is just a bonus.
8/8
Marine VS Ultra tends to be in Ultras favor most of the time, but my hopes sank for a bit in the middle.
Marauders, unlike Marines, are anti-armor. This can only end one way for me.
Reapers get eaten alive my Ultras, having 500 doesn't make a difference, but damn if watching that massacre isn't satisfying.
At first I thought Ghosts because Snipe spam, but then I saw they didn't have the OG Snipe and switched my vote.
Hellbats are anti-light, but I didn't expect them to nearly win against the Ultras.
I've seen the first LOTV unit showcase involving the Cyclone, I knew it can crush an Ultra. Without kiting, my doubts were raised though.
Massed Siege Tanks paste anything on the ground when sieged, no contest.
Thor VS Ultra, Thors have range and I think anti-armor ground weapon. They win this no problem.
What about SCVs?! Kidding lol but wow I really thought Ghost sniping would be better against Ultras...
Now imagine if those infantry faced Noxious Ultras.
To be fair Ultras already have great splash damage even without the noxious strain. If we are talking about HotS upgrades then Monarch Blades (the upgrade that gives +20 splash damage) would also allow Ultras to tear through infantry.
If you had Torrasque Ultralisks, then the Ultras probably could win every battle here
Don't mind me I'm just here to enjoy the ragdolls
30 seige tanks vs 20 ultralisks?
how did you think of that
Balance team: Oh see, 20 ultras can take 400 marines. Clearly they're in a good place, hell, we might even need to nerf them
Same balance team that thinks Thors should win from Ultras LOL
7/8 Holy shit, I expected the cyclones to simply just fold, but no, they wiped the Ultras, and that Hellbat round was too close for comfort, I said “Pfft, Hellbats are going to lose, they’re anti-light and anti-small.” Guess I was wrong.
what about diamondbacks?
Always thought Ghosts were the hard counter to Ultras 😳
7/8 this time, cyclones really surprised me.
But what about Ultralisks versus every Terran Air unit?
Those are some big dogs
I did not expect Thor to win brove also can you imagine one those Ultralist coming straight for you. 😅😅😅 I'll be swearing up the whaoozoo
The Ghosts did surprisingly bad but everything else went just as anticipated. Ultras are pretty bad against mech. Been that way since BW :P
I wanna know if Siege Tank normal mode who will win
Marines did way better than I expected
imagine if the microed - same with ghosts and reapers
They would have even win if they used a proper strategy
It was 400 supply marines vs 120 supply of ultras though and they still lost. Still about the hardest ground counter as can exist.
TWENTY ULTRALISKS! - LagTv
The cyclones got so much more resources than the others, how unfair.
7/8 I overestimated Ghosts's snipe
200 mengsk maraders vs dehaka and 1000 marines, what about this?
Wheres the scv fight
8/8 after a very long time
you forgot a scv, widow mine, and viking
Something must be wrong with ghost, since 3 ghost = 3 snip = 1 kill.
So 85 ghosts loose to 20 Ultra is wrong
See? Ghosts aren't overpowered; they're countered by....Ultralisks.
Now do air units
Firebat, Hellion, Viking (ground) ... no?
I never comment unless i got all of them right but dammit vs ghost was close enough geez. 7/8
6/8 Figured the gjost could do it, and underestimated 'rauders
where SCV?
8/8. Got scared with the hellbats
it makes me laugh that the thor sounds like Arnold
what about medics : /
7/8. The only one I got wrong was the Marauders.
Surprised by how bad the ghosts were.
5/8
Always goes for Ultralisk, except for Thors
Unit comps matter a visualization
So Thor is a Terran Ultralisk, right?
Basically. It’s also got a couple of very good anti air attacks, which is often it’s main role.
if ultralisk could hard counter any air unit yes xD
@@Hieronic well, it balances the weakness of marines
No, it's actually a good unit.
Not really, in real play Thor is only useful as anti air. They are too slow and low range to use in any matchups for anti ground. Good players just pick them off or abuse their immobility.