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Good summary Wes, the Daemonifuge series also covered a corrupted convent on Parnis corrupted by a Slaneshi Daemon byt cannot remember if any of them turned willingly.
I did a dark heresy genstealer cult "campaign", it was fun but I lacked creativity at the time also hard as I wanted them to feel like of they got caught they would be dead
Also IIRC Arks of Omen has Angron corrupt Sisters of Battle to Khorne. This is canon. (He also corrupted some Primaris Marines, and those are the first corrupted Primarises)
Primaris means released recently, which means a handful of ideologically focused writers, meaning can be dismissed Like the pacific rim movie, community ultimately decides what exists and what doesn't
It's part of their lore. They go to great lengths to erase sisters who fall to chaos from record and sometimes even have new sisters assume the identity of the fallen ones.
@@tomleary508 I'm new (reading the infinite and Devine now to start), is this the "Nothing is canon, and everything is canon " situation ? like "No sister can be corrupted... becasue once they got corrupted they didnt count as sisters anymore."
@@user-yf4gx4rf8h As an old lore head I'm not sure if I'm jealous or concerned for the work ahead of you haha. But yeah, you have a good perspective on the rumor/viewpoint/fact situation, as it's anyone's guess or choice of what they believe is accurate. Is The Emperor a god? A man? Etc. Enjoy the universe, In His Name.
More have in other stories. Often not in a fantastic and over the top way like with many other examples. One I recall has a sister falling to Slaanesh because she sought perfection in her service to The Emperor, and had too much pride in the effort.
@@tomleary508I mean all factions of the imperium do. We as the audience of course know that most people in the imperium are susceptible to chaos corruption but most people in the imperium aren’t. Hell I’m fairly certain that when a Astartes turns traitor only the existing members of that chapter will know because well they knew him. The next generations of said chapters Astartes probably would never know so the chapter can erase its shame.
In my opinion, a sister falling to chaos should be treated as an absurdly rare exception that proves the rule of how generally devout the sororitas are. If chaos sisters were to be implemented into the table-top (which I hope they do some day), it should be in the form of named character units. Like, imagine how sick it would be to have a Mirael Sabathel figure as the head of a Slaanesh cult army.
Funny how channel creator not talking about the issue costing GW millions of dollars by loyal fans oh wait i forgot this dude sold out at least others had the you know what to speak up this dude gave me and still gives me weird vibes
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As a sisters fan, I do you actually like the concept of sisters being able to fall to chaos, but I like it being a very rare event. So like at most it being a single squad in a chaos army however, the reason I like it is because I like the looming rare threat of turning to chaos. I like that it is a possibility. I like that threat being there it gives character and it gives motivation to remain resolved. I think the iconoclast story is very indicative of that and is a great showcase as to how a corrupted sister confused as a great antagonist but still allow for there to be great faith amongst the sisters, and if it’s rare, then I feel like it doesn’t deter their faith
The Words Bears in the book apocalypse said they would be many times stronger than any other Chaos warband if they just have a handful of SoB on their sides. And the book storm of iron further demonstrated that. It wasn't even a sister, just a guardsman getting captured by the Iron Warriors and a warsmith turned her into his personal slave to taunt her for daring to stand up against him, guess the warsmith was marinating her anger too much because she eventually turned into an avatar of Khorn and killed him.
From what little we've gotten, It sounds like it happens regularly. the sisterhood just covers it up and knowing them probably kills everyone who knows.
It always feels lame when any faction hard-counters another faction(s) "because lore reasons", and that's what the Sisters/Grey Knights always felt like when it came to their uncorruptability, tbh. The capacity for some chaos corruption to occur is necessary to make these factions feel grounded/not protected by plot armor, and from a meta-contextual standpoint to make them feel less "OP", too. The Chaos Space Marines already can't catch a break enough as it is, they're the reskinned punching bags of the galaxy. They could use some specialized reinforcements imo to help counter the post-Guillemann Imperium. Dark Mechanicum need a refresh too.
@@Supercohboy What makes me interested in chaos Sisters and chaos corrupted imperial loyalists in general is because they are like a switch that's flipped like in many cases it when from them being the most loyal servants of the emperor to becoming one of the strongest follower of Chaos. It fits the Word Bearers understanding of Chaos perfectly, they don't like the imperial church but they can feel the strength of the Faith and would see the value of having similar fanatics on their side. And for that reason the idea that Sisters are incorruptible is a missing potential because if worshipping gives strength then it should give all sides equal opportunity to gain strength but for some reason it seems like only the imperial getting all the benefits without any drawback.
@@SupercohboyI'm not a fan of chaos, they always feel like so cartoonishy evil, like "We blow up the universe!!" Dark Mechanicum though, that needs to be a thing more so like chaos got a lot of Ws, but they do need an updated line and content. I feel like overall, GW kind of wrote themselves into a hole with chaos. They're now the really big bad evil guy, and always seen as the "Do you hear the voices to!" Level of insanity. While the Imperium is just as insane, you have that sense "Well, guess compared to chaos this is fine." Plus just much deeper lore and stuff with the Imperium over chaos. In Imperium stuff you get fragments of cool things, new worlds discovered, cool technology being mentioned, while chaos it's like "Well, Kharn the betrayer did this."
Isn't the Sororitas _founded_ on corruption? That one guy basically took advantage of their unwavering faith to manipulate them. If a mortal can do that, so can Chaos.
Yes! Chaos god can corrupt those sisters as well as inquisistors But it were harder than corrupting warriors (mostly fell to Khorne), nobles (mostly fell to Slaneesh), spychers (mostly fell to Tzeech), wretches (mostly fell to Nurgle).
I remember a story about a squad of sisters being arressted and tortured due to suspicion of one of them being chaos corrupted. You are always reminded of a constant scratching sound while they are in their seperate cells. At the end it turns out yes one of them was corrupted by slaanesh. So the torture with her lasted the longest and the other sisters thought she was being strong and pious when I fact she was enjoying it. And the scratching noise? That was her scratching the walls of her cell so they were perfectly smooth. I have no idea what it is called sadly.
I know that story .I've heard it on Baldermort's guide to Warhammer , he narrates a few cool Sister's stories , I think some of them he's written himself
Legit, a Sororitas order of chaos would be nightmarish. Think of their insane inhuman levels of devotion and faith for any of the Chaos gods. Nurgle, Tzeentch, Khorne, Malice, and ofc Slaanesh.
@@periwinkle6676 Slaanesh is the easy one to design for... Some of the Sisters are already on the path to Drukhari-levels of extremes (torturing people to hear their screams, degloving their own hands, etc.) so going for a god of excess isn't hard, and neither is a god of combat like Khorne. The ones that would interest me the most would be sisters falling to Nurgle (as previously stated) and Tzeentch. I mean; imagine a Sister of Tzeentch would turned her "faith" powers into non-psyker (potentially non-warp) sorcery? The implications and theorycrafting are so good! And of course, Sisters of Malice would just be hypothetically amazing...
Sisters falling to chaos, for me at least, makes sense. If the Tau with their tiny and imperceptible souls are able to be corrupted, major examples being Farsight fighting the influence of Khorne and another being a water caste Tau falling to Tzeentch after being exposed to an unprotected warp drive, then it should be possible for the Sisters to be corrupted as well. I love these videos and your discussions Wes, keep on keeping on :)
I am honestly convinced alot of Warhammers troubles were mainly caused by Warp Travel itself, like Event Horizon on a mass scale that unsurprisingly is backfiring.
the tau don't know enough about chaos to protect against it, while the SoB have been aware of it since probably before their inception. considering that they actively dedicate time and training to opposing it's influence i would think that it would be a strong point for them. i'd sooner rather see a corrupted grey knight tbh.
I like the idea that you can only get Chaos Sisters by turning them against their will and that they will never willingly choose chaos, Like how Khorne turned sisters into Kornate worshippers. Similar kind of thing to how you can get “CHAOS” Custodes where you will never get a Custodes turning to the ruinous powers of their own freewill but they can be turned via possession or overwhelming force.
Miriel Sabathiel is older than Abnett's story. She dates back to the 1st 40k CCG, which was released in 2001. Though her card was in one of the expansions, so I think she debuted in 2002. Abnett's story is from 2006. There's also the Chaos sister from Daemonifuge, who (I think) is the first canon instance of a Chaos Sister, dating back to 1999. She lasts about 2 pages though before Ephrael Stern rips the Chaos parasite/daemon/thing out of her chest. Also, Artel W do some nice Chaos Sisters in their Forces of the Abyss range.
Hard to say, shes only in a couple pages. The Iconoclast exhibited similar internal warp parasites though. And a big part of Daemonifuge was the debate over whether or not Ephrael had been corrupted. Glad sombody else recalls that old piece
@@TemperingFaber3 As David said, it never really specifies. So kind or hard to know where control ends and corruption begins. But there is a parasite in her and she has the mark of Slannesh carved into her skull (under the skin).
Came here to mention that exact SoB in Daemonifuge. Sisters being incorruptible is new lore to me. I think in the first book of the Grey Knights series there's a conversation between a SoB and a GK where it's stated that both know that some sisters have fallen while no GK had.
I think the idea of corruptible sisters is not only acceptable but even important in the lore. It should be very uncommon and it should be treated as unthinkable and unforgivable by the order, obviously, but the idea of the sisters being invincible to corruption makes them unrelatable and unappealing, because it is obvious that their order demands superhuman levels of discipline, devotion and sacrifice. It follows that a sister, being only human, would fall from time to time, and that the order would suppress that knowledge for the sake of their ideals. But it is the fragile nature of their humanity, coupled with the strength of their faith, resolve, and the obvious power of those that never falter, manifesting the emperor's will in the form of incredible feats of combat and actual miracles on the battlefield, that will always make them a beacon of hope for the imperium, despite the fact that some may occasionally lose their battle against the horrors they willingly face.
@@coreytaylor5386 Well, it would hard to be openly atheist in the Imperium of Man in the 40th Milennium, considering it's illegal not to worship the Emperor as a literal god.
I don't see Chaos Sisters of Battle becoming their own faction any time soon, but I could see ones like the three you listed being leader units that can lead an army with them being chaos champions or demon princes and that generic chaos sisters could be used as auxiliary units for Chaos factions
In my own head canon, I actually have my own Sisters of Chaos I call the Plague Maidens. Sisters of Battle who've pledged themselves to the Chaos God Nurgle. They're incredibly jovial and love playing with Nurglings in their free time.
Considering how rare fallen sisters seem to be, I think it's silly to hope for an army of them, but having them as a special unit within an army seems perfectly reasonable to me. I love fallen sisters, and I'd love to see more about them in the future. Love your content, Wes
They could probably work similarly to how Inquisitors and Assassins work for the Imperium, I.E. named character units, or character-level units, that can be added to any [Chaos] Keyword army, rather than their own individual army with their own codex. So you could say, have your Chaos Daemons lead by a small handful of named Chaos Sister units instead of Belakor or some Greater Daemons. Or have a named Chaos Sister as the head of your Chaos Space Marine army. If they where done that way, I'd drop one of my two big Birbs in my Tzeentch Daemons for a Chaos sister in a heartbeat!
I like to think that for every Fallen Sister, only 1 out of thousands actually manages to live long enough to join or be joined by chaotic forces. So definitly named characters or high-end elite strike force within an army. Because nothing is more devastating to moral that seeing a single corrupted Sister of Battle, let alone 3 or even 5 of them. The Iconoclast story mention multiple corrupted Sisters in the ranks, most likely taken and corrupted on the battlefield itself where Khorne's influence is easiest felt, or through excess of **something** for Slaaneshi influence. An excess of devotion without the zeal to back it up for example, or a doubt giving raise to newfound convictions for any of the corruptive forces.
I think if we get Heretical Sisters, we are going to see Chaos Daemons and Knights become "Forces of Chaos Undivided" where it becomes a Soup-book. Chaos Space Marines can soup in 250pts per 1000pts being played. It would have Chaos Guards and Chaos Sisters, Daemons, Vashtorr and his creations, the Chaos Knight lineup, and Dark Mechanicum. Counting it up, it has eight detachments already. Chaos Infantry (Sisters and Guardsman/Battleline Daemon horde soup), Daemon Engine Vashtorr, Knights and Vehicle slant (Vashtorr optional), Dark Mechanicum (Vashtorr recommended), Daemons (Undivided), Khorne (Kill Enemy Models = Good), Nurgle (Increased Bulk), Tzaangors (Magic), and Slaanesh (Tons of Hits)
You don't need to fall to corruption to become a repentia or be placed in a mortifier though. Even Saint Celestine was a sister repentia at one time before she became a living Saint. The only thing needed to become a sister repentia is to fail in your duty. This does not even need to be objective failure. If you fought a battle which could not be won but somehow survived it, you could consider yourself 'failing' as you did not die for your cause. With mortifiers it is practically be the same although just one step worse. But yeah, sisters not being able to be corrupted is clearly only propaganda as so many things in 40K lore.
Those are not corrupted Sisters though. There's a difference between being seen to fall short in their duties (or actually falling short) and actually being corrupted.
If anything, repentia might be even More resistant to chaos, since their convictions in their faith would reach hyper-fanatical levels. Best example I can think of would be that one formerly-tainted repentia that appeared in Gav & Bob.
@@desitri2956 Yeah but for the sake of decorum, we just pretended it's so rare it's a one off thing that proves the rule, or the other sisters "take care of it" internally. Decorum is out the window so tentacles, bondage, and freeing the nipple it is. The Impenitent Engines are going to be wild.
I think no one is really immune to corruption or temptation. But I think the fact that it is possible, no matter how remote of a chance it is, makes the SoB that don't fall to Chaos all the more impressive. Just being immune to chaos corruption means that they don't really have to fear it or fight against it. But when we see that it is possible for them to fall, it means the faith and willpower of those that resist that temptation are just that much stronger. It's like the astartes and not being able to feel fear. You can't truly say a space marine is brave because bravery is not the lack of fear, its the ability to overcome that fear and do what needs to be done. Yes, whether or not astartes feeling the actual emotion of fear has been removed, retconned, and changed so often it's hard to say for sure exactly what "know no fear" actually means, but it's a given that astartes do not break from fear or let it influence their actions, most of the time. TLDR immunity to chaos corruption is boring, but feeling it and overcoming it is much more impressive.
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 They probably don't even know of the grey knights existence. Even the most powerful and elite forces in the imperium are subjected to the secrecy surrounding the grey knights so it's not surprising that they have absolutely no knowledge of them at all
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 I'm unsure at the moment, I haven't read up on the grey knights in too much detail, but I'm assuming that if they did those that do (or did) would probably have been exterminated
@hillimer I could see that, call them sisters of the shadows. Wrote a quote for them but feels a little too wordy " if our sisters are beacons sharing the light of the emperor through their words to the masses, then we are the shadows of the masses, following each of them, ever vigilante against the threat of heresy "
It’s not that the sisters themselves are incorruptible, it’s their blood. This is why any self-respecting Grey Knight should kill any Sister of Battle they see and use their blood to draw chaos-warding symbols on their armour to give themselves extra protection against Chaos.
@@davidboatwright8688 The uncorruptible marines needing a mortal to win, I see this as an absolute win for Sisters xD. It's very rare for them to oneup the space marines, or any other factions. That's why removing their uncorruptability is a great loss for them. And it's only difficult for them to willingly fall to Chaos, it's not like they are immune to Chaos'mind-control and stuff.
I agree with your sentiment I think it’s cool to see them in a new light but I love that they were so steadfast that it was pointless trying to corrupt them
Ha! The likelihood of the God-Emperor’s Sororitas falling to Chaos is just as improbable as the likelihood of the God-Emperor’s Astartes betraying the Imperium! Oh, wait….
If they never get their own army I think getting the equivalent to living saints/demon princes would be cool. Like imagine a Celestine level character chosen as a champion of Nurgle, with like skeletal angel wings and melting flesh. and they can be added in along side either your chaos space marines or your demons, working together.
Personally I like the idea that they CAN be corrupted but it should be rare. I'd also really kinda like it if their corruption is unstable so that while they may be corrupted they are likely to become Chaos Spawn or just die from it after a while. It would make them different.
I would actually love to see an entire order of chaos sisters that have a deep hatred for the Word Bearers. They recognise them as the ones who lead humanity to the dark gods, but they resent 10,000 years of failure. They have thier own rituals where they hunt the possessed and rip the daemons out of them to give them more worthy hosts. Maybe a ritual where they consume the word Bearers geneseed to empower themselves and weaken the failure legion
REALLY ? I get it, knowing that 90% of GWS base is male, but Khorne just seemed like the go to. "Blood for the Emperor, skulls for the golden throne." Khorne just sitting on the throne like "Yeah i guess it looks golden with all the fire. " . . . . . Second thought , isnt Slaanesh the "opposite" of Khorne? like the one that least vibes with him? So it kind of makes sense that crazy murder sister, who are already feeding Korn would be her target as a "F you" to Khorne.
@@jhetttiernan2623 I actually dont see the Khorne connection. On the one hand, sure, everyone in 40k is prone to violent indulgence, but nothing about the sister's order seems to make them particularly vulnerable to Khorne's influence. Likewise Nurgle would not seem likely either. Extreme repression and living under the strict rules and authority of the Ecclesiarchy make hedonism (slaanesh) and ambition/independence/rule breaking ( Tzeentch) the two likely domains of chaos that they would find enticing.
Interesting, I’d think that “more heretic blood & skulls!” would be more likely than ambition/betrayal, as Sisters are famously loyal to their beliefs & fellow battle sisters, and said beliefs tend to call for heavy amounts of bloodshed. Slaanesh makes sense bc of repression leading to harder falls, and Nurgle could also occur due to the faithlessness caused by extreme despair.
Personally, I LOVE the concept of there being "sisters of chaos" out there. However, I feel like it should be more of an uncommon occurrence, like one or a handful out of a thousand sisters or something of the like. I do agree that the image of the Sister of Battle being incorruptible is a big chunk of their image and part of their allure as a faction, the idea of these relatively normal mortal women being able to resist corruption where even the Astartes falter. But as we all should know by now, there are very few absolutes in this setting. Still, I think it'd be cool for "Sisters of Chaos" to become a thing on the table-top.
I figure, generally, that it is possible to defy corruption by sheer force of will, IF you can keep your faith strong enough. And while most Sisters' faith is strong enough, some do fall short - because nobody is perfect, especially in 40k. A lot of things can happen to them in this case, from failing in battle to attempted desertion. But occasionally, circumstances align so that they fall to Chaos instead. This doesn't happen often, but probably more often than we think, because there is no WAY the Ecclesiarchy doesn't clap a lid over that shit. This is just how I prefer to think of it. Because like you, I admire the Sisters, and I find their uncorruptible faith utterly badass. But another thing I really like in this setting is how many cracks are in it, how close the whole mess is to falling completely. The hypocrisy, the sheer weight of lies the Imperium is crumbling under. And it makes sense to me that some of those cracks contain fallen Sisters. It makes sense that there would be SOME, because a system this bad can't help but produce side effects.
I like the idea of chaos sisters but not army worthy. I feel like they shoulder be an extremely rare things. So an add on to a chaos army. It's still crazy that dispite being "normal" humans they can resist chaos as well if not better then a grey knight. Oh and if you want army of chaos sister then it's made of people who failed to become sister. Like an army of sister rejects
while i'd love to have canon chaos sisters, i feel like the whole "are they real? are they canon? are they retconned out?" discussion is more valuable to the community
We have chaos sisters already. You buy sisters. You file and cut off imperial insignia. You add chaos insignia. You homebrew some rules to reflavour sisters special rules. Job done. Chaos sisters
Immunity from corruption by SoB would have been more interesting with the theory of the emperor becoming a warp entity corrupting them. Also interesting to see there are stories of Chaos cults fighting genestealer cult, although the more interesting ones would be either Tzeench, but mostly Nurgle. A cult of either of those chaos gods finding a way to mutate or infect a genestealer cult could open so much avenues for interesting stories about the tyranids.
Frankly I like more and more the idea of Chaos having its own stuff. So I like the fact that Chaos is becoming more than just marines with spikes. So to me I wouldn’t need it to be Chaos SOB, I’d be all more for it to just be an expansion of Chaos Cultists, and capabilities
I was thinking lately about of "Order of Leviathan" with white and purple armors and adding some claws, skulls and pieces of armor from Tyranids (just like one of the marines from Leviathan box - I dont remember the name)
If the Word Bearers turned to chaos, so can the Sisters. The Chaos Gods are historically good at turning zealotry for the emperor into zealotry for themselves. The Zealot in Darktide is a good example of this ("Blood for the Emperor, Skulls for the Golden Throne!"). I think one of the key ingredients for a Convent turning traitor is prolonged isolation from the rest of the Imperium. Without external correction from the Ecclesiarchy they could quite easily drift into chaos worship over a few generations, particularly if the world they are on already has a tainted presence, all the while genuinely believing that they are still righteous servants of the Emperor and that everyone else is wrong. With the galaxy split in half and a lot of worlds cut off it is quite feasible that we could see more traitor sisters, i think it can make for good stories.
I think they could work fine as individual character models for a Chaos warband or leaders of a cult, but for a whole army of corrupted sisters, chaos rarely shows the discipline and order to form the needed organisational structures. Bloodpact would be the only example coming to my mind.
As someone who was raised in a strict religious household I love the idea of corruption in this context. I NEED more stories like this. Bring me a legion of sisters from each chaos god. At least one for each!
If you really interested I would recommend the unification mod for dawn of war. There’s a sub faction for emperors children that’s just fallen sisters, it’s super dope!
Honestly, I see Khorne as the likeliest one, followed by Slaanesh, then Nurgle, then Tzeentch. Khorne has the classic battle lust while Slaanesh could go use a similar approach to Fulgrim in terms of perfectionism and pain/pleasure vibes. Nurgle is well, basically happy nihilism so I imagine any Sister of Battle who suffers enough self-esteem issues will be approached by the squishy green one. Tzeentch is least likely because he seems to have the least things to offer to the Sisters of Battle, at least those ordained for combat. Probably a couple of the lesser smaller ones, but I don't see Tzeentch having appeal for the main Sisters. Maybe treachery, but that is a stretch.
I don't think entire armies of Chaos Sisters make sense, but having a few named characters that you can run alongside various Chaos factions would be fine. Something like the various named Chaos champions-Lucius , Kharn , Abbadon , etc
Great video as always, Wes. Since you asked, I’d like to see you cover (if you haven’t already) the rogue A.I. ship(s) from the dark night / golden age of technology. 🤖🚀
I like it that they are such fundamentalist that corruption is rare. That they are capable of such atrocities in the name of the Emperor. But some named "fallen" would give it some interesting flare.
Chaos sisters make complete sense. All you need is a Lorgar style shaking of faith and they would immediately find a new god. Heck, a bunch of Order of the Bloody Rose members are just a step away from being Khorne worshippers.
I like the idea of Chaos Sisters in lore as rare execptions, granted i would like to see a few for each Chaos God and a few for undivided and then use them as heores of commanders for the table top and atory characters.
Bro, your singlehandedly responsible for my love of 40k I've watched your content for over a year now and you always make the insane and convoluted lore into bite sized or sometimes meal sized masterworks, love the content dude. Your eyes fucking freak me out tho.
We might get Chaos Sister Characters or maybe even a squad. The only way they could pull out entire armies is if they pull a Votann and go "This covenant has been corrupted the whole time and is now just appearing!"
Ironically, I'm in the process of converting Sisters over to Chaos after a friend made this suggestion during a gaming session. Despite what the sources (the Codex and also other media) portray the Sisters, it does need to be known that this is on the Imperial viewpoint and wanting to make the Sisters akin to the Templars of our time. Basically, infailable nuns that can do no wrong. If word does get out that these Sisters can fall, it would be disastrous just like Knights Templar where one slight to a King meant the destruction of the order easily. The Age of Apostasy note that the Ecclesiarchy must have no men at arms which a lot of people will want that to stay that way. In addition, these battle reports with corrupted Sisters could arrive at the Administratum with inaccuracy or even cover-ups from the top. It could be conveniently lumped into Chaos Space Marines instead. After, transmission back to Earth would take hundreds of light years and with the warp being so inaccurate, this transmission could easily be mistranslated. After all, people are willing to listen to a lie rather than the truth. And finally, Sisters are still humans. Even the most ardent followers could easily sway down a path of damnation just by what Wes said.
Peter Fehervary is the greatest writer who writes about the Warhammer universe. The author apparently did not read his book “Infernal Requiem”, which also contains a corrupted sister. However, her path to fall is a separate incredible topic in comparison with which the story of sister Etelka is simply a trifle. In addition, the action of Infernal Requiem takes place 300 years earlier on the same planet where the Scorched Creed fights the Gene Cult
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Working on a Chaos Sister army. My internal debate was weather to focus on one chaos god or diversify...i think your video has convinced me of the later. Genestealer Cults are my favorite lore wise...the 3rd story is so wild! I can imagine folks making a homebrew killteam of chaos cultists usung GSC bits.
I actually like the idea because like you said they’re just human and if primarchs and space marines can fall then they’re fall is all but guaranteed at some point if they live long enough
Chaos Sisters of Battle would be absolutely epic, and it makes sense. On one hand, I really want them to be a thing. On the other, I play Imperial Knights, and would like to have my Codex sooner than later.
"To doubt is to be human." - Some dead guy While I hold no doubt fallen sisters exists in a sizeable number, I think if they come to tabletop they should be not as a faction or army but as a special unit you can add to your already existing army in kind to how the assassins can be added as single units. A case of the individual has fallen and you can add that acknowledgement to the army. From the lore perspective however, I like the concept that there fallen are only mentioned through hushed conversations or quips and challenges from chaos. "You think I'm evil? Well look over there and answer me her!"
An entire convent of sisters fell to Varan the invinsible in Cain's last stand. Chaos corrupted psycher mind controls them. They do off themselves after exposure to a blank, but they were serving chaos for a while.
I've always felt in the lore. At least with daemonfuge. Sisters of Battle generally have a direct adversarial relationship with Slaanesh. Since the whole thing with the sisters is that often suffer or martyr themselves for the God-Emperor. So their existance tends to be relentless and zealous suffering to save humanity. Which isn't a very far off step to fall into temptation towards Slaanesh for various reasons. (but to clarify no. Sisters do not have vows of chastity. Plenty of them later marry or give birth to children.)
I imagine it's kind of a 'no true Scotsman' situation. If a Sister of Battle is defined by her faith in the Emperor then a Sister that falls and has lost that faith is just another (if very powerful) cultist and no longer a Sister.
Miriael Sabbathiel did not turn to Chaos on her own accord. Rather, she was captured in battle by the Emperor's Children. Who turned her over to a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh, Balzaropht to corrupt. Sabbathiel only fell after a long period of torment and temptation.
I like the idea of the sororitas having protection in their minds and souls, like as seen in the pariah nexus against the stifling. But I also like how they too are fallible, and that the lie that the sororitas cannot fall is just more imperial propaganda. I know that this video was more on the decision to leave the emperor's light, but there's also the black templars, guard and sororitas of the crusade fleet quartus who fell due to angron's murder curse. And afaik the only custodes to be affected by chaos/horus were some of those who accompanied the emperor in operation anabasis on the vengeful spirit. Not much, but still possible. Good video, and that's coming from a big sororitas fan :D
I think Sororitas aren't immune to Chaos, they can still be controlled (like in arks of omen) or mindbroken. It's only VERY uncommon for them to willingly submit to Chaos
That line about why the last sister betrayed her order simply because she still could hits so good. She may have joined a cult of literal monsters but she escaped another that pretended they were not
Would love to see one of your deep dives into Xeno's corruption because as I understand it it's unbeliavably rare for Tau with Por'Malcaeor being the only one (corrupted by Tzeentch) and Farsight very nearly in Arks of Omen until he banish Khorne from his mind. But I'm curious about Necrons, Eldar and Votann as my understanding of Votann is they can't be corrupted by chaos due to their safety systems giving them the weakest psykers but also the safest
I love how the Lore has it that ANYONE can fall to Chaos. All it needs is that simple crack in faith. That simple doubt in their mind is the perfect opening for its invitation. Loved this video Wes!
My opinion: No one is imune to the seduction of the "right" promise, not even the custodes. Some has just not been desperate enough... yet. But a whole army? 🤨
Considering the second a Sister is corrupted they send endless specialized kill teams to hunt her down, yeah, a whole army seems like an exaggeration. Especially since a Preceptory is 1,000 sisters and it's a big deal when it's just 1 that is corrupted.
People getting "turned" into a deamon is incredibly rare (outside of like Deamon Princes and the like) so the Sister on Redemption wouldn't have been "turned" into a deamoness, she would have been used as a gateway for an actual deamon to enter the real world. It might have worn her flesh, but it wasn't her.
honestly, I am a big fan of the idea of Chaos sisters, as I really hate any lore that says that "these characters are incorruptible out of sheer faith" as well as the lore that states that "no human can see this and not fall" I don't like those absolutes. The idea of the sister being extremely resistant is good, but I don't want them to be immune. Custodes and grey knights are interesting, as I feel like corruption should be technically possible for them, but they can't ever truly "fall" because their body and soul would essentially self-destruct if they were ever about to be fully corrupted.
Absolutes make factions unique. I dont want all space marines clones. And I feel, since every faction do something better than space marines, people should leave incorruptability to the Sisters, cuz, without it, they are just female space marines with the body of a guardsmen
@@TemperingFaber3 not really, Sororitas are distinct with their faith magic and aesthetic, plus I'm all for them being *more* resistant than space marines, just not *immune.*
@@antimarmite Sisters already aren't immune to Chaos: it's incredibly difficult for them to voluntarily fall to Chaos, but they can be controlled by it. If they ever introduce a Chaos sister mini, it should be a named character, as to keep the flavour of the Sororitas intact. If everything has a Chaos counterpart, the universe becomes incredibly bland (look at what's happening to star wars😂)
Nah, Chaos Sisters are Goated! A story revolving around a Sisterhood of Tzneetch worshipers that have infiltrated the depths of the Imperium foreshadowing Abaddons next Black Crusade, would be awesome. & I personally want an Army of Sisters of the Bloodied Skull - which would just be Repentia's but more Blood and Skulls lol
The most devoted of servants make for the most dangerous of heretics. Chaos Sisters should definitely be a thing. But rare, and represent a significant threat when it does occur. As far as tabletop, I wouldn't go full army, but rather add them as specialist units, similar to champions, to the already existing Chaos forces. Like a stand-alone type character to emphasize their rarity and unique threat.
In terms of Immunity, no one is truly Immune. Even the Emperor was corrupted in an alternate reality and this is deemed to be an eventual inevitability in the main 40k reality, with the Emperor becoming another chaos god.
Agreed that a person capable of cross species possession, without dying multiple times is cool, and makes me wonder if they aren't somewhat right that their faith sets them apart. It seemed like layers had to fall in the last lady's conditioning progressively over decades which made her eventual chaos possession such an apparent prize or novelty.
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Good summary Wes, the Daemonifuge series also covered a corrupted convent on Parnis corrupted by a Slaneshi Daemon byt cannot remember if any of them turned willingly.
Weshammer can you explain why my alpha legion have a squad of battle sister? checkmate atheist
I did a dark heresy genstealer cult "campaign", it was fun but I lacked creativity at the time also hard as I wanted them to feel like of they got caught they would be dead
Also IIRC Arks of Omen has Angron corrupt Sisters of Battle to Khorne. This is canon. (He also corrupted some Primaris Marines, and those are the first corrupted Primarises)
Primaris means released recently, which means a handful of ideologically focused writers, meaning can be dismissed
Like the pacific rim movie, community ultimately decides what exists and what doesn't
Wasnt it Khorne himself who corrupted them?
@@PJOZeuswas it the murder curse? it doesnt need to be dismissed its not like they willingly fell or through any fault of their own.
@@PJOZeus😂 You are sad. Good luck trying to ignore the blood curse. o one will take you serious. 😂
Thank you,I was thinking he would talk exactly about this event.
Huh the only sister I knew that fell to chaos was one Miriael Sabathiel, who fell to Slaanesh. Interesting to see there is more.
It's part of their lore. They go to great lengths to erase sisters who fall to chaos from record and sometimes even have new sisters assume the identity of the fallen ones.
@@tomleary508 I'm new (reading the infinite and Devine now to start), is this the "Nothing is canon, and everything is canon " situation ? like "No sister can be corrupted... becasue once they got corrupted they didnt count as sisters anymore."
@@user-yf4gx4rf8h As an old lore head I'm not sure if I'm jealous or concerned for the work ahead of you haha. But yeah, you have a good perspective on the rumor/viewpoint/fact situation, as it's anyone's guess or choice of what they believe is accurate. Is The Emperor a god? A man? Etc. Enjoy the universe, In His Name.
More have in other stories. Often not in a fantastic and over the top way like with many other examples. One I recall has a sister falling to Slaanesh because she sought perfection in her service to The Emperor, and had too much pride in the effort.
@@tomleary508I mean all factions of the imperium do. We as the audience of course know that most people in the imperium are susceptible to chaos corruption but most people in the imperium aren’t. Hell I’m fairly certain that when a Astartes turns traitor only the existing members of that chapter will know because well they knew him. The next generations of said chapters Astartes probably would never know so the chapter can erase its shame.
In my opinion, a sister falling to chaos should be treated as an absurdly rare exception that proves the rule of how generally devout the sororitas are. If chaos sisters were to be implemented into the table-top (which I hope they do some day), it should be in the form of named character units. Like, imagine how sick it would be to have a Mirael Sabathel figure as the head of a Slaanesh cult army.
Funny how channel creator not talking about the issue costing GW millions of dollars by loyal fans oh wait i forgot this dude sold out at least others had the you know what to speak up this dude gave me and still gives me weird vibes
@@SpeedyGonzalez-sd1iuwhat do you mean? What he do?
@JordanI135 what are you even asking me ?
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@@SpeedyGonzalez-sd1iu With all due respect, what the hell are you waffling on about?
@@SpeedyGonzalez-sd1iu dude you just killed Godzilla
As a sisters fan, I do you actually like the concept of sisters being able to fall to chaos, but I like it being a very rare event. So like at most it being a single squad in a chaos army however, the reason I like it is because I like the looming rare threat of turning to chaos. I like that it is a possibility. I like that threat being there it gives character and it gives motivation to remain resolved. I think the iconoclast story is very indicative of that and is a great showcase as to how a corrupted sister confused as a great antagonist but still allow for there to be great faith amongst the sisters, and if it’s rare, then I feel like it doesn’t deter their faith
The Words Bears in the book apocalypse said they would be many times stronger than any other Chaos warband if they just have a handful of SoB on their sides. And the book storm of iron further demonstrated that. It wasn't even a sister, just a guardsman getting captured by the Iron Warriors and a warsmith turned her into his personal slave to taunt her for daring to stand up against him, guess the warsmith was marinating her anger too much because she eventually turned into an avatar of Khorn and killed him.
From what little we've gotten, It sounds like it happens regularly. the sisterhood just covers it up and knowing them probably kills everyone who knows.
It always feels lame when any faction hard-counters another faction(s) "because lore reasons", and that's what the Sisters/Grey Knights always felt like when it came to their uncorruptability, tbh. The capacity for some chaos corruption to occur is necessary to make these factions feel grounded/not protected by plot armor, and from a meta-contextual standpoint to make them feel less "OP", too.
The Chaos Space Marines already can't catch a break enough as it is, they're the reskinned punching bags of the galaxy. They could use some specialized reinforcements imo to help counter the post-Guillemann Imperium. Dark Mechanicum need a refresh too.
@@Supercohboy What makes me interested in chaos Sisters and chaos corrupted imperial loyalists in general is because they are like a switch that's flipped like in many cases it when from them being the most loyal servants of the emperor to becoming one of the strongest follower of Chaos. It fits the Word Bearers understanding of Chaos perfectly, they don't like the imperial church but they can feel the strength of the Faith and would see the value of having similar fanatics on their side. And for that reason the idea that Sisters are incorruptible is a missing potential because if worshipping gives strength then it should give all sides equal opportunity to gain strength but for some reason it seems like only the imperial getting all the benefits without any drawback.
@@SupercohboyI'm not a fan of chaos, they always feel like so cartoonishy evil, like "We blow up the universe!!" Dark Mechanicum though, that needs to be a thing more so like chaos got a lot of Ws, but they do need an updated line and content. I feel like overall, GW kind of wrote themselves into a hole with chaos. They're now the really big bad evil guy, and always seen as the "Do you hear the voices to!" Level of insanity. While the Imperium is just as insane, you have that sense "Well, guess compared to chaos this is fine." Plus just much deeper lore and stuff with the Imperium over chaos. In Imperium stuff you get fragments of cool things, new worlds discovered, cool technology being mentioned, while chaos it's like "Well, Kharn the betrayer did this."
Isn't the Sororitas _founded_ on corruption? That one guy basically took advantage of their unwavering faith to manipulate them. If a mortal can do that, so can Chaos.
Interesting... I mean, they thought his rosarius was the Emperor protecting him. Which got him killed.
But then again they have Penatent Engines..
Political corruption was how they were founded then when they were shown the truth they ended said corruption
Yes! Chaos god can corrupt those sisters as well as inquisistors
But it were harder than corrupting warriors (mostly fell to Khorne), nobles (mostly fell to Slaneesh), spychers (mostly fell to Tzeech), wretches (mostly fell to Nurgle).
I remember a story about a squad of sisters being arressted and tortured due to suspicion of one of them being chaos corrupted. You are always reminded of a constant scratching sound while they are in their seperate cells. At the end it turns out yes one of them was corrupted by slaanesh. So the torture with her lasted the longest and the other sisters thought she was being strong and pious when I fact she was enjoying it. And the scratching noise? That was her scratching the walls of her cell so they were perfectly smooth.
I have no idea what it is called sadly.
I know that story .I've heard it on Baldermort's guide to Warhammer , he narrates a few cool Sister's stories , I think some of them he's written himself
@@TheJocmonger yes! That is it! Granted did not know that he wrote it himself. Thought it was official 40k.
why did she made the walls surface smooth?
@@madeingermany9445 I have no idea. I guess because of the fact slaanesh likes perfection.
Nuns with guns... and spikes! 😂
😂😂😂
Smash. Next question
Nuns with guns having Slaaneshi fun! 😈
@@UGNAvalon I wonder just how offensive I could kit bash that army, and still get away with it because of LGBT++
SPIKES!!
Idea: Chaos Sisters of Battle
Everyone: heh heh _Slaanesh..._ Succubi Sisters... heh heh
Me: *Sisters Repentia meet Nurgle's **_Sisters Repulsia!_*
Khorne's Battle Sister is actually Khorne's legit daughter, the Blood Valkyrie reborn!
Legit, a Sororitas order of chaos would be nightmarish. Think of their insane inhuman levels of devotion and faith for any of the Chaos gods. Nurgle, Tzeentch, Khorne, Malice, and ofc Slaanesh.
@@periwinkle6676 Slaanesh is the easy one to design for... Some of the Sisters are already on the path to Drukhari-levels of extremes (torturing people to hear their screams, degloving their own hands, etc.) so going for a god of excess isn't hard, and neither is a god of combat like Khorne.
The ones that would interest me the most would be sisters falling to Nurgle (as previously stated) and Tzeentch. I mean; imagine a Sister of Tzeentch would turned her "faith" powers into non-psyker (potentially non-warp) sorcery? The implications and theorycrafting are so good!
And of course, Sisters of Malice would just be hypothetically amazing...
@@Thescott16 Slaanesh is of excess they are religious zealots, zealotry is an excess itself. Though for me I prefer the khorne ones
Ehh... A good hole is still a goal.
Sisters falling to chaos, for me at least, makes sense. If the Tau with their tiny and imperceptible souls are able to be corrupted, major examples being Farsight fighting the influence of Khorne and another being a water caste Tau falling to Tzeentch after being exposed to an unprotected warp drive, then it should be possible for the Sisters to be corrupted as well. I love these videos and your discussions Wes, keep on keeping on :)
Edit: I forgot to mention O’kais from Firewarrior and how he almost fell to the influence of Khorne during his story.
@@LordZero350 La'Kais*. O'Kais and La'Kais aren't the same person
Water Spider didn't get corrupted, he got wholesale possessed by a Tzeetch demon!
I am honestly convinced alot of Warhammers troubles were mainly caused by Warp Travel itself, like Event Horizon on a mass scale that unsurprisingly is backfiring.
the tau don't know enough about chaos to protect against it, while the SoB have been aware of it since probably before their inception. considering that they actively dedicate time and training to opposing it's influence i would think that it would be a strong point for them.
i'd sooner rather see a corrupted grey knight tbh.
As someone who loves corn, I can’t help but be amused picturing “Khorn worshipers”.
Farmer : " time to check on the cro - WHAT THE ??!!! JEB, JEB GET MAH SHOTGUN, THEY'RE BACK PRAYING TO THE CORN AGAIN !!! "
Children of the corn?
Children of the Corn; the Steven King book and both the movies make for excellent 40k material!!!
Blood for the Blood God
Corn for the cornflakes.
Children of the Khorne
I like the idea that you can only get Chaos Sisters by turning them against their will and that they will never willingly choose chaos,
Like how Khorne turned sisters into Kornate worshippers.
Similar kind of thing to how you can get “CHAOS” Custodes where you will never get a Custodes turning to the ruinous powers of their own freewill but they can be turned via possession or overwhelming force.
Miriel Sabathiel is older than Abnett's story. She dates back to the 1st 40k CCG, which was released in 2001. Though her card was in one of the expansions, so I think she debuted in 2002. Abnett's story is from 2006.
There's also the Chaos sister from Daemonifuge, who (I think) is the first canon instance of a Chaos Sister, dating back to 1999. She lasts about 2 pages though before Ephrael Stern rips the Chaos parasite/daemon/thing out of her chest.
Also, Artel W do some nice Chaos Sisters in their Forces of the Abyss range.
Isn't the one in Daemonifuge just controlled by Chaos?
The whole convent was corrupted.
Hard to say, shes only in a couple pages. The Iconoclast exhibited similar internal warp parasites though. And a big part of Daemonifuge was the debate over whether or not Ephrael had been corrupted. Glad sombody else recalls that old piece
@@TemperingFaber3 As David said, it never really specifies. So kind or hard to know where control ends and corruption begins. But there is a parasite in her and she has the mark of Slannesh carved into her skull (under the skin).
Came here to mention that exact SoB in Daemonifuge.
Sisters being incorruptible is new lore to me. I think in the first book of the Grey Knights series there's a conversation between a SoB and a GK where it's stated that both know that some sisters have fallen while no GK had.
I think the idea of corruptible sisters is not only acceptable but even important in the lore. It should be very uncommon and it should be treated as unthinkable and unforgivable by the order, obviously, but the idea of the sisters being invincible to corruption makes them unrelatable and unappealing, because it is obvious that their order demands superhuman levels of discipline, devotion and sacrifice. It follows that a sister, being only human, would fall from time to time, and that the order would suppress that knowledge for the sake of their ideals. But it is the fragile nature of their humanity, coupled with the strength of their faith, resolve, and the obvious power of those that never falter, manifesting the emperor's will in the form of incredible feats of combat and actual miracles on the battlefield, that will always make them a beacon of hope for the imperium, despite the fact that some may occasionally lose their battle against the horrors they willingly face.
BATTLE SISTERS AND HERETIC SISTERS! WHAT IS ATHEISM RAHHHHHHHHH
to be fair, Id imagine its hard to be an atheist in a universe where the gods are literally trying to eat your soul at every turn
@@coreytaylor5386 Well, it would hard to be openly atheist in the Imperium of Man in the 40th Milennium, considering it's illegal not to worship the Emperor as a literal god.
Fabulous bill.
@@coreytaylor5386TBF, in a setting with active gods, atheism usually means "not worshipping" rather than "not believing".
@@cyrusserapheth9555so the real world?
The non-transitional transition was frik’n hilarious. Legit made me lol. Thanks sir. Enjoy your vacation.
One of the players in my local group made their entire army of Sisters based around Miriel Sabathiel, with her color scheme and Slaanesh details.
1:59 All transitions should now be like this! Love it!
He is a little cute doggo in the bed.
I don't see Chaos Sisters of Battle becoming their own faction any time soon, but I could see ones like the three you listed being leader units that can lead an army with them being chaos champions or demon princes and that generic chaos sisters could be used as auxiliary units for Chaos factions
In my own head canon, I actually have my own Sisters of Chaos I call the Plague Maidens. Sisters of Battle who've pledged themselves to the Chaos God Nurgle.
They're incredibly jovial and love playing with Nurglings in their free time.
Yeah. Just happy lazy mothers. Giving their loving embrace and feeding little Nurglings with pus.
Considering how rare fallen sisters seem to be, I think it's silly to hope for an army of them, but having them as a special unit within an army seems perfectly reasonable to me. I love fallen sisters, and I'd love to see more about them in the future.
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They could probably work similarly to how Inquisitors and Assassins work for the Imperium, I.E. named character units, or character-level units, that can be added to any [Chaos] Keyword army, rather than their own individual army with their own codex. So you could say, have your Chaos Daemons lead by a small handful of named Chaos Sister units instead of Belakor or some Greater Daemons. Or have a named Chaos Sister as the head of your Chaos Space Marine army. If they where done that way, I'd drop one of my two big Birbs in my Tzeentch Daemons for a Chaos sister in a heartbeat!
I like to think that for every Fallen Sister, only 1 out of thousands actually manages to live long enough to join or be joined by chaotic forces. So definitly named characters or high-end elite strike force within an army. Because nothing is more devastating to moral that seeing a single corrupted Sister of Battle, let alone 3 or even 5 of them.
The Iconoclast story mention multiple corrupted Sisters in the ranks, most likely taken and corrupted on the battlefield itself where Khorne's influence is easiest felt, or through excess of **something** for Slaaneshi influence. An excess of devotion without the zeal to back it up for example, or a doubt giving raise to newfound convictions for any of the corruptive forces.
"I've never seen anything like it in the 40K universe"
You have my attention.
I think if we get Heretical Sisters, we are going to see Chaos Daemons and Knights become "Forces of Chaos Undivided" where it becomes a Soup-book. Chaos Space Marines can soup in 250pts per 1000pts being played. It would have Chaos Guards and Chaos Sisters, Daemons, Vashtorr and his creations, the Chaos Knight lineup, and Dark Mechanicum. Counting it up, it has eight detachments already. Chaos Infantry (Sisters and Guardsman/Battleline Daemon horde soup), Daemon Engine Vashtorr, Knights and Vehicle slant (Vashtorr optional), Dark Mechanicum (Vashtorr recommended), Daemons (Undivided), Khorne (Kill Enemy Models = Good), Nurgle (Increased Bulk), Tzaangors (Magic), and Slaanesh (Tons of Hits)
Best transition ever made man. Cheers 😂
never fallen to corruption...but we have repentia and mortifers
You don't need to fall to corruption to become a repentia or be placed in a mortifier though. Even Saint Celestine was a sister repentia at one time before she became a living Saint. The only thing needed to become a sister repentia is to fail in your duty. This does not even need to be objective failure. If you fought a battle which could not be won but somehow survived it, you could consider yourself 'failing' as you did not die for your cause. With mortifiers it is practically be the same although just one step worse.
But yeah, sisters not being able to be corrupted is clearly only propaganda as so many things in 40K lore.
Those are not corrupted Sisters though. There's a difference between being seen to fall short in their duties (or actually falling short) and actually being corrupted.
@@DT-ce1fb not corrupted sure, i was implying if a sister can flee due to cowardice than she can certainly be tempted by other base thoughts
If anything, repentia might be even More resistant to chaos, since their convictions in their faith would reach hyper-fanatical levels.
Best example I can think of would be that one formerly-tainted repentia that appeared in Gav & Bob.
@@desitri2956 Yeah but for the sake of decorum, we just pretended it's so rare it's a one off thing that proves the rule, or the other sisters "take care of it" internally.
Decorum is out the window so tentacles, bondage, and freeing the nipple it is.
The Impenitent Engines are going to be wild.
I think no one is really immune to corruption or temptation. But I think the fact that it is possible, no matter how remote of a chance it is, makes the SoB that don't fall to Chaos all the more impressive. Just being immune to chaos corruption means that they don't really have to fear it or fight against it. But when we see that it is possible for them to fall, it means the faith and willpower of those that resist that temptation are just that much stronger. It's like the astartes and not being able to feel fear. You can't truly say a space marine is brave because bravery is not the lack of fear, its the ability to overcome that fear and do what needs to be done. Yes, whether or not astartes feeling the actual emotion of fear has been removed, retconned, and changed so often it's hard to say for sure exactly what "know no fear" actually means, but it's a given that astartes do not break from fear or let it influence their actions, most of the time.
TLDR immunity to chaos corruption is boring, but feeling it and overcoming it is much more impressive.
Did we literally had a _" Think Sister! _*_Think!!_*_ "_ moment in 40k? xD
Ive personally never heard anyone ask for chaos sisters of battle, not that i would be against it, ive just never seen that request
The only Astartes chapter the Sisters don't seem to have a problem with is the Black Templars, which makes a lot of sense.
what about the grey knights?
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 ... We don't talk about the Sisters and the Grey Knights...
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 They probably don't even know of the grey knights existence. Even the most powerful and elite forces in the imperium are subjected to the secrecy surrounding the grey knights so it's not surprising that they have absolutely no knowledge of them at all
@@moony5097 yeah, i suppose that's plausible, but do we have anything *confirming* that they know/don't know about the grey knights?
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 I'm unsure at the moment, I haven't read up on the grey knights in too much detail, but I'm assuming that if they did those that do (or did) would probably have been exterminated
Ah yes, peak sisters of battle r34
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Yea normal battle sister is great but what if she’s also an emo?
Imma say heresy but i'm not advising the nearest inquisition officer
@hillimer I could see that, call them sisters of the shadows.
Wrote a quote for them but feels a little too wordy
" if our sisters are beacons sharing the light of the emperor through their words to the masses, then we are the shadows of the masses, following each of them, ever vigilante against the threat of heresy "
@@user-vf3hy9wz6i if its a female inquisitor i dont mind getting some interrogation previously to my unceremonious excecution 🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵
It’s not that the sisters themselves are incorruptible, it’s their blood. This is why any self-respecting Grey Knight should kill any Sister of Battle they see and use their blood to draw chaos-warding symbols on their armour to give themselves extra protection against Chaos.
The Bloodtide Incident is a masterpiece
Still rediculous after all these years...
@@davidboatwright8688 The uncorruptible marines needing a mortal to win, I see this as an absolute win for Sisters xD. It's very rare for them to oneup the space marines, or any other factions. That's why removing their uncorruptability is a great loss for them. And it's only difficult for them to willingly fall to Chaos, it's not like they are immune to Chaos'mind-control and stuff.
When she says, "open your third eye," but means it literally.
Bruh
Becomes a navigator 😂
Instructions unclear, started a Sororitas Navigator Household.
@@UGNAvalon Eh, the Navigators need new blood, considering just how mindnumbingly inbred they are.
Instructions unclear, a "well bestowed" Sister of Silence sodomised my Eye of Terror...
Glad your covering this now
There's been a tooon of amazing fan art of chaos sisters lately
And i ain't talking dirty
I agree with your sentiment I think it’s cool to see them in a new light but I love that they were so steadfast that it was pointless trying to corrupt them
Bricky needs to know more of this ASAP
That was the best ad transition I’ve seen in a bit. Keep up the good work Wes!
Ha! The likelihood of the God-Emperor’s Sororitas falling to Chaos is just as improbable as the likelihood of the God-Emperor’s Astartes betraying the Imperium!
Oh, wait….
If they never get their own army I think getting the equivalent to living saints/demon princes would be cool. Like imagine a Celestine level character chosen as a champion of Nurgle, with like skeletal angel wings and melting flesh. and they can be added in along side either your chaos space marines or your demons, working together.
Personally I like the idea that they CAN be corrupted but it should be rare. I'd also really kinda like it if their corruption is unstable so that while they may be corrupted they are likely to become Chaos Spawn or just die from it after a while. It would make them different.
During the arks of omen angron also basically corrupted and entire indomitus fleet and with it a good number of SOB.
Corrupted as in willingly falling to Chaos, nope. Controlled is the word (the video's rules, not mine)
I would actually love to see an entire order of chaos sisters that have a deep hatred for the Word Bearers. They recognise them as the ones who lead humanity to the dark gods, but they resent 10,000 years of failure. They have thier own rituals where they hunt the possessed and rip the daemons out of them to give them more worthy hosts.
Maybe a ritual where they consume the word Bearers geneseed to empower themselves and weaken the failure legion
That sounds... Awesome.
Interesting fact, sisters of battle corrupted by chaos most often fall to Slaanesh due to their repressive nature.
makes sense. I could also see them going hard for Tzeentch for essentially the same reasons.
@@sum8601 Slaanesh and Khorne are the big two but I also agree that Tzeentch would corrupt them similarly.
REALLY ? I get it, knowing that 90% of GWS base is male, but Khorne just seemed like the go to. "Blood for the Emperor, skulls for the golden throne." Khorne just sitting on the throne like "Yeah i guess it looks golden with all the fire. "
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Second thought , isnt Slaanesh the "opposite" of Khorne? like the one that least vibes with him? So it kind of makes sense that crazy murder sister, who are already feeding Korn would be her target as a "F you" to Khorne.
@@jhetttiernan2623 I actually dont see the Khorne connection. On the one hand, sure, everyone in 40k is prone to violent indulgence, but nothing about the sister's order seems to make them particularly vulnerable to Khorne's influence. Likewise Nurgle would not seem likely either.
Extreme repression and living under the strict rules and authority of the Ecclesiarchy make hedonism (slaanesh) and ambition/independence/rule breaking ( Tzeentch) the two likely domains of chaos that they would find enticing.
Interesting, I’d think that “more heretic blood & skulls!” would be more likely than ambition/betrayal, as Sisters are famously loyal to their beliefs & fellow battle sisters, and said beliefs tend to call for heavy amounts of bloodshed.
Slaanesh makes sense bc of repression leading to harder falls, and Nurgle could also occur due to the faithlessness caused by extreme despair.
Personally, I LOVE the concept of there being "sisters of chaos" out there. However, I feel like it should be more of an uncommon occurrence, like one or a handful out of a thousand sisters or something of the like. I do agree that the image of the Sister of Battle being incorruptible is a big chunk of their image and part of their allure as a faction, the idea of these relatively normal mortal women being able to resist corruption where even the Astartes falter. But as we all should know by now, there are very few absolutes in this setting.
Still, I think it'd be cool for "Sisters of Chaos" to become a thing on the table-top.
I figure, generally, that it is possible to defy corruption by sheer force of will, IF you can keep your faith strong enough. And while most Sisters' faith is strong enough, some do fall short - because nobody is perfect, especially in 40k. A lot of things can happen to them in this case, from failing in battle to attempted desertion. But occasionally, circumstances align so that they fall to Chaos instead. This doesn't happen often, but probably more often than we think, because there is no WAY the Ecclesiarchy doesn't clap a lid over that shit.
This is just how I prefer to think of it. Because like you, I admire the Sisters, and I find their uncorruptible faith utterly badass. But another thing I really like in this setting is how many cracks are in it, how close the whole mess is to falling completely. The hypocrisy, the sheer weight of lies the Imperium is crumbling under. And it makes sense to me that some of those cracks contain fallen Sisters. It makes sense that there would be SOME, because a system this bad can't help but produce side effects.
I like the idea of chaos sisters but not army worthy. I feel like they shoulder be an extremely rare things. So an add on to a chaos army.
It's still crazy that dispite being "normal" humans they can resist chaos as well if not better then a grey knight.
Oh and if you want army of chaos sister then it's made of people who failed to become sister. Like an army of sister rejects
Hm Slaaneesh corrupted Sisters of Battle....*cough*
Oh god!! there are parts of my brain rolling over the idea for obvious reasons...
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Of course you mean the possible color scheme of their armor, right?
Yea man just imagine what their “armor” would look like!
@@mezzerli ...sure...
@@mezzerli Yeah....lets go with that and nothing else.....
while i'd love to have canon chaos sisters, i feel like the whole "are they real? are they canon? are they retconned out?" discussion is more valuable to the community
We have chaos sisters already.
You buy sisters. You file and cut off imperial insignia. You add chaos insignia. You homebrew some rules to reflavour sisters special rules. Job done. Chaos sisters
Immunity from corruption by SoB would have been more interesting with the theory of the emperor becoming a warp entity corrupting them.
Also interesting to see there are stories of Chaos cults fighting genestealer cult, although the more interesting ones would be either Tzeench, but mostly Nurgle. A cult of either of those chaos gods finding a way to mutate or infect a genestealer cult could open so much avenues for interesting stories about the tyranids.
The Cult Tenebrous is a Genestealer Cult that's simultaneously fallen to Nurgle and seeks to spread the influence of both
Frankly I like more and more the idea of Chaos having its own stuff. So I like the fact that Chaos is becoming more than just marines with spikes. So to me I wouldn’t need it to be Chaos SOB, I’d be all more for it to just be an expansion of Chaos Cultists, and capabilities
I was thinking lately about of "Order of Leviathan" with white and purple armors and adding some claws, skulls and pieces of armor from Tyranids (just like one of the marines from Leviathan box - I dont remember the name)
If the Word Bearers turned to chaos, so can the Sisters. The Chaos Gods are historically good at turning zealotry for the emperor into zealotry for themselves. The Zealot in Darktide is a good example of this ("Blood for the Emperor, Skulls for the Golden Throne!"). I think one of the key ingredients for a Convent turning traitor is prolonged isolation from the rest of the Imperium. Without external correction from the Ecclesiarchy they could quite easily drift into chaos worship over a few generations, particularly if the world they are on already has a tainted presence, all the while genuinely believing that they are still righteous servants of the Emperor and that everyone else is wrong. With the galaxy split in half and a lot of worlds cut off it is quite feasible that we could see more traitor sisters, i think it can make for good stories.
I think they could work fine as individual character models for a Chaos warband or leaders of a cult, but for a whole army of corrupted sisters, chaos rarely shows the discipline and order to form the needed organisational structures. Bloodpact would be the only example coming to my mind.
As someone who was raised in a strict religious household I love the idea of corruption in this context.
I NEED more stories like this.
Bring me a legion of sisters from each chaos god.
At least one for each!
If you really interested I would recommend the unification mod for dawn of war. There’s a sub faction for emperors children that’s just fallen sisters, it’s super dope!
Honestly, I see Khorne as the likeliest one, followed by Slaanesh, then Nurgle, then Tzeentch.
Khorne has the classic battle lust while Slaanesh could go use a similar approach to Fulgrim in terms of perfectionism and pain/pleasure vibes. Nurgle is well, basically happy nihilism so I imagine any Sister of Battle who suffers enough self-esteem issues will be approached by the squishy green one. Tzeentch is least likely because he seems to have the least things to offer to the Sisters of Battle, at least those ordained for combat. Probably a couple of the lesser smaller ones, but I don't see Tzeentch having appeal for the main Sisters. Maybe treachery, but that is a stretch.
@@konradsommer6927 Cool!
I don't think entire armies of Chaos Sisters make sense, but having a few named characters that you can run alongside various Chaos factions would be fine.
Something like the various named Chaos champions-Lucius , Kharn , Abbadon , etc
Great video as always, Wes.
Since you asked, I’d like to see you cover (if you haven’t already) the rogue A.I. ship(s) from the dark night / golden age of technology. 🤖🚀
Yes, this! Deep dive to the Abominable Intelligence would be appreciated as well.
@@jufo4 Most definitely 👍🏼
Honestly, chaos sisters would just be like the fallen. A cool side unit for the chaos codex you could put a mark of chaos on and be done with it.
0:59 I would tell you it is heresy and report you to the nearest commissar.
One day I will kitbash together a sororitas as army that has fallen to slanesh. I will call them the order of the moist undergarment.
As someone who has made a kitbash chaos sisters army rules and someone who actually plays them i love it
I like it that they are such fundamentalist that corruption is rare. That they are capable of such atrocities in the name of the Emperor.
But some named "fallen" would give it some interesting flare.
Chaos sisters make complete sense. All you need is a Lorgar style shaking of faith and they would immediately find a new god. Heck, a bunch of Order of the Bloody Rose members are just a step away from being Khorne worshippers.
I like the idea of Chaos Sisters in lore as rare execptions, granted i would like to see a few for each Chaos God and a few for undivided and then use them as heores of commanders for the table top and atory characters.
Nuns with guns vs goth girls with guns
(12:00) that dude was epic with the purple armer. Can we get a video,on his,story
A sister who gave in to chaos is like a fish that can’t swim.
Bro, your singlehandedly responsible for my love of 40k I've watched your content for over a year now and you always make the insane and convoluted lore into bite sized or sometimes meal sized masterworks, love the content dude. Your eyes fucking freak me out tho.
Something about the smile at the add transition seemed more sinister then nurlges
We might get Chaos Sister Characters or maybe even a squad. The only way they could pull out entire armies is if they pull a Votann and go "This covenant has been corrupted the whole time and is now just appearing!"
Ironically, I'm in the process of converting Sisters over to Chaos after a friend made this suggestion during a gaming session. Despite what the sources (the Codex and also other media) portray the Sisters, it does need to be known that this is on the Imperial viewpoint and wanting to make the Sisters akin to the Templars of our time. Basically, infailable nuns that can do no wrong. If word does get out that these Sisters can fall, it would be disastrous just like Knights Templar where one slight to a King meant the destruction of the order easily. The Age of Apostasy note that the Ecclesiarchy must have no men at arms which a lot of people will want that to stay that way.
In addition, these battle reports with corrupted Sisters could arrive at the Administratum with inaccuracy or even cover-ups from the top. It could be conveniently lumped into Chaos Space Marines instead. After, transmission back to Earth would take hundreds of light years and with the warp being so inaccurate, this transmission could easily be mistranslated. After all, people are willing to listen to a lie rather than the truth.
And finally, Sisters are still humans. Even the most ardent followers could easily sway down a path of damnation just by what Wes said.
Peter Fehervary is the greatest writer who writes about the Warhammer universe. The author apparently did not read his book “Infernal Requiem”, which also contains a corrupted sister. However, her path to fall is a separate incredible topic in comparison with which the story of sister Etelka is simply a trifle. In addition, the action of Infernal Requiem takes place 300 years earlier on the same planet where the Scorched Creed fights the Gene Cult
have you listened to heart of rage by James swallow its fucking horrifying we recommend listening it on audible it's part of the adeptus astarters audio collection
Working on a Chaos Sister army. My internal debate was weather to focus on one chaos god or diversify...i think your video has convinced me of the later.
Genestealer Cults are my favorite lore wise...the 3rd story is so wild! I can imagine folks making a homebrew killteam of chaos cultists usung GSC bits.
I actually like the idea because like you said they’re just human and if primarchs and space marines can fall then they’re fall is all but guaranteed at some point if they live long enough
After 200 years of sevice in The Emperors Most Holy Inquisition,i never saw such HERESY. Exterminatus is on is way my friend. 😂
Chaos Sisters of Battle would be absolutely epic, and it makes sense. On one hand, I really want them to be a thing. On the other, I play Imperial Knights, and would like to have my Codex sooner than later.
"To doubt is to be human." - Some dead guy
While I hold no doubt fallen sisters exists in a sizeable number, I think if they come to tabletop they should be not as a faction or army but as a special unit you can add to your already existing army in kind to how the assassins can be added as single units. A case of the individual has fallen and you can add that acknowledgement to the army. From the lore perspective however, I like the concept that there fallen are only mentioned through hushed conversations or quips and challenges from chaos. "You think I'm evil? Well look over there and answer me her!"
People who’re super religiously devout to something can also be far more easily manipulated and fooled than skeptical, critical thinking people.
An entire convent of sisters fell to Varan the invinsible in Cain's last stand. Chaos corrupted psycher mind controls them. They do off themselves after exposure to a blank, but they were serving chaos for a while.
🎉this was really Good, I really like the sisters.
I've always felt in the lore. At least with daemonfuge. Sisters of Battle generally have a direct adversarial relationship with Slaanesh. Since the whole thing with the sisters is that often suffer or martyr themselves for the God-Emperor. So their existance tends to be relentless and zealous suffering to save humanity.
Which isn't a very far off step to fall into temptation towards Slaanesh for various reasons.
(but to clarify no. Sisters do not have vows of chastity. Plenty of them later marry or give birth to children.)
I imagine it's kind of a 'no true Scotsman' situation. If a Sister of Battle is defined by her faith in the Emperor then a Sister that falls and has lost that faith is just another (if very powerful) cultist and no longer a Sister.
Miriael Sabbathiel did not turn to Chaos on her own accord.
Rather, she was captured in battle by the Emperor's Children. Who turned her over to a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh, Balzaropht to corrupt.
Sabbathiel only fell after a long period of torment and temptation.
Best transition ever!!!
I like the idea of the sororitas having protection in their minds and souls, like as seen in the pariah nexus against the stifling. But I also like how they too are fallible, and that the lie that the sororitas cannot fall is just more imperial propaganda. I know that this video was more on the decision to leave the emperor's light, but there's also the black templars, guard and sororitas of the crusade fleet quartus who fell due to angron's murder curse. And afaik the only custodes to be affected by chaos/horus were some of those who accompanied the emperor in operation anabasis on the vengeful spirit. Not much, but still possible. Good video, and that's coming from a big sororitas fan :D
I think Sororitas aren't immune to Chaos, they can still be controlled (like in arks of omen) or mindbroken. It's only VERY uncommon for them to willingly submit to Chaos
That line about why the last sister betrayed her order simply because she still could hits so good. She may have joined a cult of literal monsters but she escaped another that pretended they were not
Would love to see one of your deep dives into Xeno's corruption because as I understand it it's unbeliavably rare for Tau with Por'Malcaeor being the only one (corrupted by Tzeentch) and Farsight very nearly in Arks of Omen until he banish Khorne from his mind. But I'm curious about Necrons, Eldar and Votann as my understanding of Votann is they can't be corrupted by chaos due to their safety systems giving them the weakest psykers but also the safest
Awesome i was just getting ready to kitbash a sisters unit into a jackhal squad for my world eaters.
I love how the Lore has it that ANYONE can fall to Chaos. All it needs is that simple crack in faith. That simple doubt in their mind is the perfect opening for its invitation. Loved this video Wes!
My opinion:
No one is imune to the seduction of the "right" promise, not even the custodes. Some has just not been desperate enough... yet.
But a whole army? 🤨
Considering the second a Sister is corrupted they send endless specialized kill teams to hunt her down, yeah, a whole army seems like an exaggeration. Especially since a Preceptory is 1,000 sisters and it's a big deal when it's just 1 that is corrupted.
There was a corrupted psycher sister in that sisters of battle vr game.
Chaos sisters? I'm going to live for this❤
People getting "turned" into a deamon is incredibly rare (outside of like Deamon Princes and the like) so the Sister on Redemption wouldn't have been "turned" into a deamoness, she would have been used as a gateway for an actual deamon to enter the real world. It might have worn her flesh, but it wasn't her.
honestly, I am a big fan of the idea of Chaos sisters, as I really hate any lore that says that "these characters are incorruptible out of sheer faith" as well as the lore that states that "no human can see this and not fall" I don't like those absolutes.
The idea of the sister being extremely resistant is good, but I don't want them to be immune.
Custodes and grey knights are interesting, as I feel like corruption should be technically possible for them, but they can't ever truly "fall" because their body and soul would essentially self-destruct if they were ever about to be fully corrupted.
Absolutes make factions unique. I dont want all space marines clones. And I feel, since every faction do something better than space marines, people should leave incorruptability to the Sisters, cuz, without it, they are just female space marines with the body of a guardsmen
@@TemperingFaber3 not really, Sororitas are distinct with their faith magic and aesthetic, plus I'm all for them being *more* resistant than space marines, just not *immune.*
@@antimarmite Sisters already aren't immune to Chaos: it's incredibly difficult for them to voluntarily fall to Chaos, but they can be controlled by it. If they ever introduce a Chaos sister mini, it should be a named character, as to keep the flavour of the Sororitas intact. If everything has a Chaos counterpart, the universe becomes incredibly bland (look at what's happening to star wars😂)
I could also see Eidolon seeing the sisters and being like: "Let's just make some of these for ourselves?"
Nah, Chaos Sisters are Goated!
A story revolving around a Sisterhood of Tzneetch worshipers that have infiltrated the depths of the Imperium foreshadowing Abaddons next Black Crusade, would be awesome.
& I personally want an Army of Sisters of the Bloodied Skull - which would just be Repentia's but more Blood and Skulls lol
The most devoted of servants make for the most dangerous of heretics.
Chaos Sisters should definitely be a thing. But rare, and represent a significant threat when it does occur.
As far as tabletop, I wouldn't go full army, but rather add them as specialist units, similar to champions, to the already existing Chaos forces. Like a stand-alone type character to emphasize their rarity and unique threat.
Can you clarify what you mean by that?
In terms of Immunity, no one is truly Immune. Even the Emperor was corrupted in an alternate reality and this is deemed to be an eventual inevitability in the main 40k reality, with the Emperor becoming another chaos god.
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Agreed that a person capable of cross species possession, without dying multiple times is cool, and makes me wonder if they aren't somewhat right that their faith sets them apart. It seemed like layers had to fall in the last lady's conditioning progressively over decades which made her eventual chaos possession such an apparent prize or novelty.
Still waiting for my male sister's of battle
Can’t wait for the “gw is woke!!” Videos when they eventually come out