I've been using the free version for more than a month now, and my experience matches yours. I'm really impressed with the over 10% of songs that seem promising enough to work on further! My biggest concern, though, is whether some of them are plagiarized? This issue seems to be cropping up with AI-generated images. I've checked to see if the lyrics show up anywhere online and so far, they haven't. But I'm still curious about the melodies. Anyway, I've found Suno to be a lot of fun once you figure out how to use it effectively within the free constraints. Trying to produce some of these songs in my own style using Cubase will definitely be challenging, especially since pop music often relies more on sound textures and effects than on musical complexity. I'd love to see you attempt this in a video!
I haven't tried it yet, Maarten. But when you are going to produce this, I would love to help out, if you like that. 🙂 I will surely take a look and listen at the end result. Ow, and maybe I can help you find a singer. 🙂
@@perfectsoundsunleashed let's see how we can make that work, and try it for yourself as well. It's free for 10 song parts a day. Just don't generate anything you really like because then you cannot use it ;).
as a technology and tool, I can appreciate this. As a species, we will experience much more noise in the coming times. However, as the pendulum swings, the result of this will likely be increased demand for human intervention that better relates to humans. ***IMO something about these algorithms seems to produce sterile feeling “art” that greatly benefits from the nuances of human prompting and/or iteration. Almost as if there’s a default human quality control built into the entire framework of Ai. We may reach an apex where humans recognize that while we do want helpful tools and technology, we also possess an innate desire to connect with the experiences of other humans through their human expression.
Yes, I can relate to everything you say and I guess time will tell how much we will be satisfied with what AI produces, and how we can inject more 'human' characteristics in the process.
Back in the mid-80s I remember listening to drum machines for the first time. As a drummer, I quickly realised that I would soon be made redundant - at least in a studio. I now embrace drum programming and use VSTs to emulate guitar, bass, brass, etc. There are numerous AI programs for voice and for creating songs but they will only stifle creativity if we accept the output - the sound of which will become all too apparent IMO. AI is here to stay, just don't let it have the launch codes or we're all screwed!!
Definitely not the launch codes no 😂. But for the rest, I agree that you can’t stop it. Automation has replaced other jobs in the past and will do so in the future as well. But there’s still room for drummers 😉.
@LanewoodStudios try to check it out if you get a chance. Much more realistic than War Games but without the production values or star names. Also known as Colossus:The Forbin Project
NOTE: You will often have to tweak Suno lyrics because it has some common phrases that repeat every so often. Examples: “rise above the ashes”, “breaking free”, “in the city”, etc.
Can you go in after it generates a song and edit the lyrics? Often, I’d like to change the beginning of the songs, even though I like the rhythm and melody because it threw some wacky lines in the front at the very beginning of the songs.
Exploring AI in music with tools like Suno reveals a promising intersection of creativity and technology. While concerns about originality and plagiarism loom, especially with AI's history in visual arts, the proactive verification of content sets a responsible precedent. The consensus on platforms like Hacker News suggests AI's most beneficial role is as a creative ally, enhancing rather than replacing the artist's touch. This synergy is particularly potent in genres where sound texture and effects predominate, demanding a nuanced blend of AI utility and human creativity.
@@LanewoodStudios Fascinating insight into AI's role in music production. It's like having a virtual Mozart in your pocket, minus the wig. It's amazing how creativity is now just a click away. What a time to be alive!
@@LanewoodStudios The evolution of AI in music creation is truly remarkable. Sunno AI's ability to generate entire songs, including lyrics and melodies, opens up new possibilities for artists and creators. It democratizes music production, allowing anyone with an idea to bring it to life, regardless of their musical background. This could be a game-changer for the industry, fostering a new wave of creativity and innovation.
No at the moment you can download only the stereo audio file. So you can then separate it yourself with SpectraLayers for example, buit that is not perfect of course.
Thanks for the video! I feel that AI generated music is mostly just a random mix of generic pop from the last 10 years, with some accidental twists that make it exciting for a brief moment. It is indeed fast, productive, surprising and all other buzzwords, but also kind of sad if you think that it may be just recycling from large database of plagiarism and then spicing it up.
Well the AI is probably trained on existing songs yes and there’s always the question on how really original and unique these creations are. But you kind of have a similar thing with music created by us humans. You also draw upon your own musical influences subconsciously and what you’ve heard before. And there’s even the concern whether what you have created exists already.
Thanks for this video. VERY HELPFUL! It would be great if you could reproduce the song that you created with Suno AI in Cubase. I'm really interested to watch that one! (Side note: I use to live in Zoetermeer 🙂) Nogmaals bedankt!
It seems like a lot of AI to be a very blunt tool, with a lot of hit and miss. Then again song writing is sort of like that too isn't it. I have often put hours and hours of work in to a song that in the end sounds ordinary and even derivative. I love this. I feel at the moment it is a toy but will become a very useful tool when it is perfected more. I would love to see some videos of taking one of these songs and developing it into a 'real' song!
This is good , I have the pro version, I have a question, after the first song you processed was a verse and a chorus. How do I add two more verses with the exact melody as the first song, because my attempts only create different verses.
What I do is that I use the custom mode, let chatGPT generate similar lyrics with the same chorus, like I show in the video, and then let Suno AI generate the second part of the song. The verses will indeed be slightly different as the lyrics of verse 2 need to fit, but it still fits the style. If I would really want the exact same melody, the lyrics for verse 2 need to allow for that and I would just take care of that when I re-produce the song.
Thanks for another informative video. : ) Computer generated music, ay. All very nice, but what are kids in the future going to do? Hang posters of MAC'S on their walls and buy tickets to go and see PC's? There must be more to it than that... Kind regards, Darren (Wales, UK)
You’re welcome. These are interesting new tools. As for your question, I don’t really know how it will develop. But I guess there will still be some human involvement in the process so they may be the new heroes maybe?
do not really know how to react, as iam a songwriter and producer - on the one hand a bit creepy and on the other helpful ... as long as it is that quality, it is ok for us as artists and producers. if it getting studio quality, then it could be........dangerous...? - all the best and thanks for the video!
If it can do a rap that would be interesting to see. Suno is good but i think Within couple of months there will be tons of ai song maker 😂 next time emmy goes to ai
You can specify now that you only want an instrumental before you generate the song. If you want to remove the vocal after you've generated a song you would have to have to do it outside of Suno AI. I.e download it and then use stem separation software.
Yes currently you can only download the stereo file not the individual stems. But you could always get rid of the vocal with stem separation tools like SpectraLayers.
Thanks for your thoughts on this, and I understand your concerns. We've been used to people using drum machines/VSTis to provide (by now) pretty convincing drum parts on tracks for decades though, without all the years of learning to master that instrument. Same for guitar VSTis which I even sometimes use as a guitar player myself to quickly generate a part without needing to setup for recording, or get some ideas/inspiration. Is this really that different?
There is a reason why not everyone can be a pro athlete or a heart surgeon. The same goes for composers. If you rely entirely on AI to create music surely you're in the wrong business or you have the wrong hobby.
The collective human brain is becoming exponentially lazy. AI should have been created to solve problems, not do things that people enjoy making already and took pride in creating from their own organic brain. Humanity is losing its beautiful artistic and romantic essence.
I understand how you feel, unfortunately change is inevitable in all aspects of live and this one is likely no exception. I for one am interested to see what's out there and how we can use it, as part of our endeavors. Because I'm sure there is no stopping these kinds of tools getting better at what they do with every year.
Knowing what it takes to build, train and host an AI, I assure you there is nothing "lazy" in its making. I can already see creative ways of using tools like this, to do more, better work and a better pace. It also opens doors of creativity to more people, at a much lower price. Less overhead, self-publishing, can also mean more $$ to the artist. Here is the thing, also.. talented people will always standout. This AI actually solves a lot of problems, while opening up opportunities for even more people to express themselves. Seriously, we haven't lost anything, we haven't become more lazy, we are finding more and more creative ways of doing things. AI is like youtube. Look how youtube has allowed soooo many more people to express their creativity than ever before. This has been helped along with smarter software, easier to use camera's and led lighting, and computers powerful enough for home editing. Yet we are still getting excellent content from Hollywood and Indie films, Old School Musician's are still on tour, dropping records and making videos, too. When it comes to entertainment, humanity has a voracious appetite, and there is still plenty of room at the table.
The market will be flooded with AI music producers causing less demand. As of right now, I won't have to buy another painting from anyone because of AI. The only people that this will truly benefit are companies like Suno.
I then understand that radio stations will ( tomorrow morning ) produce all the music they need to put between their talking. Why would you keep on presenting videos on how to work our heart out to produce music ? You just proved that it is a dead end.
Drum machines did not end human drummers so I think there will always be room for human music production. But things will change for sure so I think it is good to know about these technologies and how to use them.
@@LanewoodStudiosI use Toontrack for my drums. I don't have a drummer but I write every notes of the drum tracks so I am the full composer of my songs. With Suno, almost nobody will ever touch the notes or the words. Sound engineers may still work but songwriters will then totally disappear. So you are right, give courses on music production, as songwriting courses are now useless. I believe that Suno is for untalented songwriters or lazy good songwriters. That said, I am a faithful listener of your videos. Congratulations and keep up the good work .
This will put music in total irrelevance. Of course we just heard one song, but it sounds like that standard industry crap we get fed on the radio. It sounds artificial because that’s what it is, soulless
I think it will get immensely better in even just a years time. And when humans start playing and recording those songs, there will be that soul injected.
i’m not worried about it because I subscribed to it even though I always have the lyrics I need help with the melody in the background instruments and I don’t like the singers that they use. They are predominantly soul, singers, and black women and it just doesn’t always go with your pop lyrics that you’re writing. It seems like the computer doesn’t have a lot of different voices. I could see this would be useful to put your song together and get a rhythm to it and then take your song and go to Recording Studio and record it yourself.
It is clear where this is going too, realtime orchestration while you are singing. you just hum some notes and bbc orchestra will orchestrate it immediately, or 90 band funk rock or whatever... So then life will be come a musical where people indeed start to sing in regular situations. I think 4 years from now.
What do you think? Is this useful, a threat, let me know how you feel about this!
I've been using the free version for more than a month now, and my experience matches yours. I'm really impressed with the over 10% of songs that seem promising enough to work on further! My biggest concern, though, is whether some of them are plagiarized? This issue seems to be cropping up with AI-generated images. I've checked to see if the lyrics show up anywhere online and so far, they haven't. But I'm still curious about the melodies. Anyway, I've found Suno to be a lot of fun once you figure out how to use it effectively within the free constraints. Trying to produce some of these songs in my own style using Cubase will definitely be challenging, especially since pop music often relies more on sound textures and effects than on musical complexity. I'd love to see you attempt this in a video!
I haven't tried it yet, Maarten. But when you are going to produce this, I would love to help out, if you like that. 🙂 I will surely take a look and listen at the end result. Ow, and maybe I can help you find a singer. 🙂
@@perfectsoundsunleashed let's see how we can make that work, and try it for yourself as well. It's free for 10 song parts a day. Just don't generate anything you really like because then you cannot use it ;).
@@LanewoodStudios I will have a go at this next week. 🙂
@@perfectsoundsunleashed enjoy 😉👍
as a technology and tool, I can appreciate this. As a species, we will experience much more noise in the coming times. However, as the pendulum swings, the result of this will likely be increased demand for human intervention that better relates to humans. ***IMO something about these algorithms seems to produce sterile feeling “art” that greatly benefits from the nuances of human prompting and/or iteration. Almost as if there’s a default human quality control built into the entire framework of Ai. We may reach an apex where humans recognize that while we do want helpful tools and technology, we also possess an innate desire to connect with the experiences of other humans through their human expression.
Yes, I can relate to everything you say and I guess time will tell how much we will be satisfied with what AI produces, and how we can inject more 'human' characteristics in the process.
Great take 👏🏾
Back in the mid-80s I remember listening to drum machines for the first time. As a drummer, I quickly realised that I would soon be made redundant - at least in a studio. I now embrace drum programming and use VSTs to emulate guitar, bass, brass, etc. There are numerous AI programs for voice and for creating songs but they will only stifle creativity if we accept the output - the sound of which will become all too apparent IMO. AI is here to stay, just don't let it have the launch codes or we're all screwed!!
Definitely not the launch codes no 😂. But for the rest, I agree that you can’t stop it. Automation has replaced other jobs in the past and will do so in the future as well. But there’s still room for drummers 😉.
@@LanewoodStudios I have never been able to forget the film The Forbin Project - when computers get too much power
@@alain_de_frothcorn don’t think I’ve seen that one. ‘War Games’ was the one when I was young. Very launch codes related 😉.
@LanewoodStudios try to check it out if you get a chance. Much more realistic than War Games but without the production values or star names. Also known as Colossus:The Forbin Project
@uktvbible thanks 🙏
NOTE: You will often have to tweak Suno lyrics because it has some common phrases that repeat every so often. Examples: “rise above the ashes”, “breaking free”, “in the city”, etc.
Ha ha …. yes I noticed that too.
Can you go in after it generates a song and edit the lyrics? Often, I’d like to change the beginning of the songs, even though I like the rhythm and melody because it threw some wacky lines in the front at the very beginning of the songs.
@@TheJBeck1 i don’t think you can do that in Suno AI itself. My solution so far is to just edit in an audio editor or completely reproduce the song.
And ''Neon lights'' ughhhh
Exploring AI in music with tools like Suno reveals a promising intersection of creativity and technology. While concerns about originality and plagiarism loom, especially with AI's history in visual arts, the proactive verification of content sets a responsible precedent. The consensus on platforms like Hacker News suggests AI's most beneficial role is as a creative ally, enhancing rather than replacing the artist's touch. This synergy is particularly potent in genres where sound texture and effects predominate, demanding a nuanced blend of AI utility and human creativity.
A very nice way of thinking about it and beautifully formulated as well. Any AI input there?😉
@@LanewoodStudios Fascinating insight into AI's role in music production. It's like having a virtual Mozart in your pocket, minus the wig. It's amazing how creativity is now just a click away. What a time to be alive!
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@@LanewoodStudios The evolution of AI in music creation is truly remarkable. Sunno AI's ability to generate entire songs, including lyrics and melodies, opens up new possibilities for artists and creators. It democratizes music production, allowing anyone with an idea to bring it to life, regardless of their musical background. This could be a game-changer for the industry, fostering a new wave of creativity and innovation.
@@I-Dophlerit will definitely change things!
I guess, after 30 years of producing music, i have to find another passion.
I think there’s no stopping AI tools anymore so I’d like to see how we can use them. No reason to give up a passion to me 😇.
@@LanewoodStudios I was a bit sarcastic to be honest. I'd never give ip music production but rather implement AI in my process. 😉
@@auelmusic yes 😎👍
I found the exact same percentage, 10%, as the amount of useable ideas. The more expensive plan might be worth it.
I haven’t run out on the Pro plan yet 😉.
I would have been curious how it would generate orchestral music.
Haven't tried that yet but I've seen some other videos in which they did that. Try it out for yourself on the free plan otherwise.
Can you make a tutorial for the full song? How do you create an Intro, an outro, solo music, and a solo vocal?
I’ll put it on the list.
Is there a way to download the separate stems, not just one mixed audio file?
No at the moment you can download only the stereo audio file. So you can then separate it yourself with SpectraLayers for example, buit that is not perfect of course.
Thanks for the video! I feel that AI generated music is mostly just a random mix of generic pop from the last 10 years, with some accidental twists that make it exciting for a brief moment. It is indeed fast, productive, surprising and all other buzzwords, but also kind of sad if you think that it may be just recycling from large database of plagiarism and then spicing it up.
Well the AI is probably trained on existing songs yes and there’s always the question on how really original and unique these creations are. But you kind of have a similar thing with music created by us humans. You also draw upon your own musical influences subconsciously and what you’ve heard before. And there’s even the concern whether what you have created exists already.
Thanks for this video. VERY HELPFUL!
It would be great if you could reproduce the song that you created with Suno AI in Cubase. I'm really interested to watch that one!
(Side note: I use to live in Zoetermeer 🙂) Nogmaals bedankt!
Already busy with it. Graag gedaan!
It seems like a lot of AI to be a very blunt tool, with a lot of hit and miss. Then again song writing is sort of like that too isn't it. I have often put hours and hours of work in to a song that in the end sounds ordinary and even derivative. I love this. I feel at the moment it is a toy but will become a very useful tool when it is perfected more. I would love to see some videos of taking one of these songs and developing it into a 'real' song!
Thanks, I'll put it on the list!
This is good , I have the pro version, I have a question, after the first song you processed was a verse and a chorus. How do I add two more verses with the exact melody as the first song, because my attempts only create different verses.
What I do is that I use the custom mode, let chatGPT generate similar lyrics with the same chorus, like I show in the video, and then let Suno AI generate the second part of the song. The verses will indeed be slightly different as the lyrics of verse 2 need to fit, but it still fits the style. If I would really want the exact same melody, the lyrics for verse 2 need to allow for that and I would just take care of that when I re-produce the song.
"Technology will free humans from labour, enabling us to become artists, musicians and so on"
AI: LOL
😅
No one saw this coming
Thanks for another informative video. : ) Computer generated music, ay. All very nice, but what are kids in the future going to do? Hang posters of MAC'S on their walls and buy tickets to go and see PC's? There must be more to it than that... Kind regards, Darren (Wales, UK)
You’re welcome. These are interesting new tools. As for your question, I don’t really know how it will develop. But I guess there will still be some human involvement in the process so they may be the new heroes maybe?
May I appoint some specific instrument for my song?
You can mention it in the prompt but it does not always comply.
@@LanewoodStudios I see, thank you!
do not really know how to react, as iam a songwriter and producer - on the one hand a bit creepy and on the other helpful ... as long as it is that quality, it is ok for us as artists and producers. if it getting studio quality, then it could be........dangerous...? - all the best and thanks for the video!
Yes I understand. It could cause a major shift in all we do 😬. Time will tell.
If it gets to studio quality, then youre and EVERY OTHER SONGWRITER AND PRODUCER ON EARTH are out of a job
@@user-xedwsgoh it will impact what we do for sure. Even if it's just a hobby.
its crazy. we living ina crazy time!!!!@@LanewoodStudios
hmm is it possible to run this Local on a computer?
No that's not possible
If it can do a rap that would be interesting to see. Suno is good but i think Within couple of months there will be tons of ai song maker 😂 next time emmy goes to ai
I didn’t really try that but I believe there are plenty examples of pretty decent raps that it comes up with.
Am I able to remove the lead vocals
You can specify now that you only want an instrumental before you generate the song. If you want to remove the vocal after you've generated a song you would have to have to do it outside of Suno AI. I.e download it and then use stem separation software.
Thank you@@LanewoodStudios
Is there a way to shorten the song keeping fragments of lyrics?
Hmm, I would just cut it together in an audio editor then. Don’t think you can do it in Suno.
@@LanewoodStudios Yes, that's what I did, finally. I guess it will be possible really soon.
@@sandrinehetreux8339 I think in the new version 3 you can specify that you want to continue the song from a certain timestamp.
@@LanewoodStudios I don't know where and how you van switch to v3, in free access?
@@sandrinehetreux8339 you need a paid plan to use (test) v3 at this moment. It is still an alpha (early test) version.
sorry about links not deliberately added the turned into links after I pressed return
I didn’t see any links.
@@LanewoodStudios must be my computer
What is the Remix option doing?
It basically just regenerates another song with the same lyrics.
u can change the lyrics or the type of the beat
Instrumental is not posible always that voice.
Yes currently you can only download the stereo file not the individual stems. But you could always get rid of the vocal with stem separation tools like SpectraLayers.
How to kind of enable the musically disabled? I guess mankind deserves what it's got coming.
Thanks for your thoughts on this, and I understand your concerns. We've been used to people using drum machines/VSTis to provide (by now) pretty convincing drum parts on tracks for decades though, without all the years of learning to master that instrument. Same for guitar VSTis which I even sometimes use as a guitar player myself to quickly generate a part without needing to setup for recording, or get some ideas/inspiration. Is this really that different?
There is a reason why not everyone can be a pro athlete or a heart surgeon. The same goes for composers. If you rely entirely on AI to create music surely you're in the wrong business or you have the wrong hobby.
The collective human brain is becoming exponentially lazy. AI should have been created to solve problems, not do things that people enjoy making already and took pride in creating from their own organic brain. Humanity is losing its beautiful artistic and romantic essence.
I understand how you feel, unfortunately change is inevitable in all aspects of live and this one is likely no exception. I for one am interested to see what's out there and how we can use it, as part of our endeavors. Because I'm sure there is no stopping these kinds of tools getting better at what they do with every year.
Knowing what it takes to build, train and host an AI, I assure you there is nothing "lazy" in its making. I can already see creative ways of using tools like this, to do more, better work and a better pace. It also opens doors of creativity to more people, at a much lower price. Less overhead, self-publishing, can also mean more $$ to the artist. Here is the thing, also.. talented people will always standout. This AI actually solves a lot of problems, while opening up opportunities for even more people to express themselves. Seriously, we haven't lost anything, we haven't become more lazy, we are finding more and more creative ways of doing things. AI is like youtube. Look how youtube has allowed soooo many more people to express their creativity than ever before. This has been helped along with smarter software, easier to use camera's and led lighting, and computers powerful enough for home editing. Yet we are still getting excellent content from Hollywood and Indie films, Old School Musician's are still on tour, dropping records and making videos, too. When it comes to entertainment, humanity has a voracious appetite, and there is still plenty of room at the table.
Accept reality for what it is my son...
Something keeps un subbing me from you..
That’s weird. Keep trying 😉
The market will be flooded with AI music producers causing less demand. As of right now, I won't have to buy another painting from anyone because of AI. The only people that this will truly benefit are companies like Suno.
Thanks for your thoughts. I guess we’ll have to see how it turns out.
I then understand that radio stations will ( tomorrow morning ) produce all the music they need to put between their talking. Why would you keep on presenting videos on how to work our heart out to produce music ? You just proved that it is a dead end.
Drum machines did not end human drummers so I think there will always be room for human music production. But things will change for sure so I think it is good to know about these technologies and how to use them.
@@LanewoodStudiosI use Toontrack for my drums. I don't have a drummer but I write every notes of the drum tracks so I am the full composer of my songs. With Suno, almost nobody will ever touch the notes or the words. Sound engineers may still work but songwriters will then totally disappear. So you are right, give courses on music production, as songwriting courses are now useless. I believe that Suno is for untalented songwriters or lazy good songwriters. That said, I am a faithful listener of your videos. Congratulations and keep up the good work
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Thanks for your input, it is a crazy time. Glad to hear you are enjoying the videos!
This will put music in total irrelevance. Of course we just heard one song, but it sounds like that standard industry crap we get fed on the radio. It sounds artificial because that’s what it is, soulless
I think it will get immensely better in even just a years time. And when humans start playing and recording those songs, there will be that soul injected.
this is an early version. Wait for the "PS5" version on this tech.
Horrid way to make music Completely void of soul 🤖
Thanks for your opinion on this 👍
i’m not worried about it because I subscribed to it even though I always have the lyrics I need help with the melody in the background instruments and I don’t like the singers that they use. They are predominantly soul, singers, and black women and it just doesn’t always go with your pop lyrics that you’re writing. It seems like the computer doesn’t have a lot of different voices. I could see this would be useful to put your song together and get a rhythm to it and then take your song and go to Recording Studio and record it yourself.
Yes that’s very much how I’m using it now as well.
@@LanewoodStudios do they have any vocalist that are white women? I keep getting beautiful voices but they’re black women.
Interesting and quite impressive. But extremely boring music to my ears. Will still use my guitar (and brain) to write my own music :)
Sure whatever works for you. I feel these are just interesting developments.
It is clear where this is going too, realtime orchestration while you are singing. you just hum some notes and bbc orchestra will orchestrate it immediately, or 90 band funk rock or whatever...
So then life will be come a musical where people indeed start to sing in regular situations.
I think 4 years from now.
Nobody knows where it’s going to go of course but I’m sure it will change our landscape and probably faster than we think.