Every Song On Earth Should Use This Vocal Mixing Trick

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  • @milanmar4218
    @milanmar4218 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1973

    A before/after comparison would have been really cool

    • @JoshuaTMagee
      @JoshuaTMagee 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      Agreed

    • @RONNIESAWLIN
      @RONNIESAWLIN 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      Wanted to write the same. thx.

    • @Hive5ive
      @Hive5ive 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

      Literally at the 16 second mark is the before.

    • @JoshuaTMagee
      @JoshuaTMagee 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +100

      @@Hive5ive, I think you already know what everyone here is asking. If you can critically listen while hopping back and forth between precise timestamps, more power to you, but a simple A/B comparison at the end of the video would have made this great video even more helpful. Have a good day.

    • @Hive5ive
      @Hive5ive 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

      @@JoshuaTMagee The easiest thing to do is fire up your daw, implement the trick as he described, hear if it works, then come back here and thank the man for giving you literally pro level techniques for free. But sure, lets gather round and complain about an a/b comparison he didn't provide.

  • @kiingjk7705
    @kiingjk7705 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    I LOVE THAT YOU KEEP IT SHORT AND SIMPLE. IM TIRED OF CLICKING ON VIDEOS AND WAITING 10 MINUTES FOR SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN SIMPLE THINGS LIKE THIS!! THANK YOU

  • @NickLynar
    @NickLynar 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

    I’ve been mixing and producing for 15 years and this just blew my mind !

    • @ptkk21
      @ptkk21 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      You've been mixing for 15 years without knowing sidechain compression?

    • @billyjohnson1086
      @billyjohnson1086 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ptkk21 soothe is a dynamic eq, not compressor.

    • @ptkk21
      @ptkk21 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@billyjohnson1086 Every dynamic eq is a automated sidechain compressor.

  • @guthriejenkins
    @guthriejenkins 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

    The mixing part of this is as excellent as always but the video production is also crazy good. The way you overlaid the frequency spectra was just so perfect! Sound effects, close-ups, zoom-ins,... awesome!!!

    • @ThiagoBezerraSantos
      @ThiagoBezerraSantos 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      great eyes!

    • @sskmusic4971
      @sskmusic4971 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same that stood out to me more than the effect like"how he did thatttt"

  • @SteveBakerProducerMusician
    @SteveBakerProducerMusician 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +260

    Very useful info to share for people learning to mix or producing their own Pop style tracks with loads of synths etc. Soothe is great but also so is Trackspacer for around £50. A thought I had which might be useful to share here: techniques like this are most relevant for 'modern Pop, EDM, Dance Pop' and genres that are super slick, sonically dense and full of layers of synths. BUT if you actually work on arrangements that minimise masking (the problem being solved by the technique in this vid), then side-chain EQ, dynamic EQ / multi-band compression etc don't really need to be used as much. The most experienced of the Pro mixers (and probably those close to dinosaur age) will always talk about the fact the mixing starts with the arrangement. Well-arranged tracks mix themselves - it's a principle that goes back to older times, but still holds true. Listen to the tone of the singer's voice and the other main focal points and choose other sounds (synths, guitars etc) the complement them and don't mask them. Also, if you leave space in your arrangement for the vocal to breath, the music is much easier to mix. But again, most modern Dance Pop isn't made like that - some is though. Just listen to Billie Eilish production. So clean!

    • @blursedd
      @blursedd 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      i just cracked both lmao

    • @PrinceRayMusic
      @PrinceRayMusic 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      When it comes to rap vocals it can be tricky at times

    • @shanonkiyoshi4784
      @shanonkiyoshi4784 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      TRACKSPACER works with ANY genre (regardless of arrangement) because sound is sound and frequencies CLASH -- just the nature of the beast. It's an infinitely adjustable spectral effect that basically makes a traveling matte for AUDIO instead of images. I use it in every way imaginable, especially when setting up INTERACTIVE Sonic Hierarchies (i.e. Instruments BELOW Bass, Bass BELOW Drums, & Drums BELOW Vocals 😉). You can AUTOMATE it for more punch in the choruses & more impact in the Drops. I'm a film composer so I've used it seamlessly in jazz, Orchestral, Hybrid, Country & Electronic. I am not affiliated with the company @ all but absolutely swear by it. Of course Arrangement & Sound Design/Choice are CRUCIAL for Sonic Clarity & Emotional Impact, but TRACKSPACER is literally a Spectral Cheat Code for FAST & DECISIVE mixing. Definitely check it out -- it is completely UNDERRATED for it's Utility, Speed, & Flexibility 🔥😎👍🔥

    • @Joe_Pass
      @Joe_Pass 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@shanonkiyoshi4784 Totally agree, good Sir.

    • @Katya.s
      @Katya.s 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@shanonkiyoshi4784 amazing info, thank you! Do you happen to know if Logic’s new Mastering Assistant doubles on any Trackspacer abilities?

  • @JakeAdkinsOfficial
    @JakeAdkinsOfficial 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +127

    This is like the most important mixing tip ever. I feel like everyone should learn this right off the bat but almost no one does. Thanks for this.

    • @Skrenja
      @Skrenja 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Nah, this technique uses a 3rd party plugin and "yOu dOn'T nEeD tO bUy plUgInS. YoUr DaW dOeS eVeRyThInG." 😂

    • @sologemeni
      @sologemeni 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Skrenja laughed

    • @Louisis
      @Louisis 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Skrenja it just uses a 3rd part EQ, every DAW has an EQ that can sidechain like this no?

    • @JohanBuurma
      @JohanBuurma 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It's a huge trick I use, but I 100% think that if you're gonna be a mixing engineer, you should learn all of the basics first. If you just do this between every track, then things may fit, but it'll constantly be changing and lopsided in how, what, and when things fit where. Gotta get the mix going a good bit before using this to a great effect

    • @jameswhitaker4357
      @jameswhitaker4357 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JohanBuurmathis trick is also reallr great when used on a reverb bus

  • @tamashalo
    @tamashalo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +303

    Super good content man your videos are getting super pro as well....
    Worth mentioning that if you use soothe 2 in 'mid side mode' instead of left/right for vocal carving, you could have your instruments 'wrap around the vocal' better. Just adjust the balance to be 20-30% side the rest mainly mid where your vocal sits 🧡🧡

    • @deceptionfighters
      @deceptionfighters 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      This is amazing.....It does sound like the instruments are wrapped around! THANK YOU BOTH

    • @souravsaikia2995
      @souravsaikia2995 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Hey @tamashalo and @deceptionfighters , you guys use logic ? Or you guys used this trick in another daw?

    • @tamashalo
      @tamashalo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@souravsaikia2995 I use Cubase 12 but you can use it with any DAW

    • @deceptionfighters
      @deceptionfighters 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@souravsaikia2995 FL Studio here 😎😎

    • @JoelFreck
      @JoelFreck 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Gotta try this haha

  • @necroticpoison
    @necroticpoison 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    For those that don't own soothe but want to try out a free form of this (and simple), check out TDR Nova. You can sidechain with it, and use the dynamic eq bands to affect whichever areas you would like, with whichever q.

    • @KOSMIKFEADRECORDS
      @KOSMIKFEADRECORDS 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      F soothe. Kills sonority

    • @Noshu4me
      @Noshu4me 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you for this...trying to figure this out

    • @lNowHerel
      @lNowHerel หลายเดือนก่อน

      Got a video on how for newbies?

    • @MrDJSTRATEGY
      @MrDJSTRATEGY 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Or trackspacer

  • @kydiamusic
    @kydiamusic 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    Thanks for this! It took me awhile but I figured out how to do this in Ableton:
    Set up a Return Track, toggle the Post/Pre button to Pre
    Turn down the Return track to -inf
    Route your vocal track to the Return Track; all the way up to zero
    Put Soothe2 on your Instrument Group
    Sidechain it to the Return track, Post FX (this is in the Audio Effects bar at the bottom, not in the Plug-in window itself)
    In the Plug-in view of Soothe2, turn on the Sidechain button
    From there, you should be able to toggle the Delta button on and off to hear the vocals--this is easier to hear if you solo the Instrument group AND the Return track

    • @wllywllywlly
      @wllywllywlly 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      nice find, thank you for sharing! Ableton gang 💪

    • @lurkwave
      @lurkwave 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Gangggggg

    • @ak5
      @ak5 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Easier way, duplicate vocal track and disable it, group instrument tracks and select side chain from the Soothe2 device at bottom - cheers!

    • @FlowFormMobileMusic
      @FlowFormMobileMusic 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Big thanks!

    • @lilneillowercase
      @lilneillowercase 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      you literally just sidechain to soothe2, no return track or duplicate track nonsense necessary

  • @iamOnenO
    @iamOnenO 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +116

    I would suggest turning the “quality” from 1x to 4x when doing this technique. I have noticed some artifacts in my instrumental channel while at 1x, but switching to 4x preserves my mix. Great video man! Keep it up!

    • @LokiBeckonswow
      @LokiBeckonswow 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      nice, this is turning up oversampling? great point here

    • @jcmapula1544
      @jcmapula1544 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      where can i do this? dAW or PLUGIN?

    • @nolanfontaine7973
      @nolanfontaine7973 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What do you mean by turning up the quality

    • @iamOnenO
      @iamOnenO 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nolanfontaine7973 In the plug-in there is a parameter called “quality”. It’s in the middle just to the left of the graphic eq

    • @JackieStacyBakerMusic
      @JackieStacyBakerMusic 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Super good tip. I just did this and it helped the reverb tails come through better. Thanks!

  • @ultralion5251
    @ultralion5251 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    havent seen your videos in a while and oh my god the production values and editing you've implemented are insane. the hard work is showing man! keep it up!

  • @michaelmennies1685
    @michaelmennies1685 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    I use trackspacer. It's great. Send the vocal through a send to the backing music. Move the high and low pass towards the kids so you don't lose the sheen on top or the bottom, but carve out the kids you need for vocal clarity.

    • @omnipop4936
      @omnipop4936 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Please explain to a newbie what "kids" refers to here.

    • @Mineiro426
      @Mineiro426 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@omnipop4936 haha I was asking myself the same.

    • @michaelmennies1685
      @michaelmennies1685 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      I meant "mids" (damn auto correct)

    • @AdMBandLeader
      @AdMBandLeader 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      ​@@michaelmennies1685😂😂😂kids

    • @GTSongwriter
      @GTSongwriter 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      He's a MAP in disguise.

  • @kadenjames
    @kadenjames 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +110

    His editing to make the complex things seem so simple is underrated 🔥

    • @LizaLavolta
      @LizaLavolta 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      truth

    • @LifeOfnuruDeen
      @LifeOfnuruDeen หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's really simple in FL studio 😂😂😂 just using the FL studio fruity limiter to sidechain the instruments

  • @freqhandy
    @freqhandy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Excellent explanation of one of my favourite techniques! More dynamic version of bus splitting and phase inversion of the copied vocal, or master bus compression/creating instrumental duck side-chained to vocal.

  • @starrmixstudios
    @starrmixstudios 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    This is fire. It makes so much more sense to use soothe instead of a dynamic eq! Excellent tip!

    • @freddymercury2259
      @freddymercury2259 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Can't you just use side chain on another plugin?

    • @danzirvine
      @danzirvine 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@freddymercury2259 it has to be a plugin that can spectral track the freqs

  • @TheAJKid
    @TheAJKid 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    this is the best use of Soothe 2 I've ever seen and I'm going to try this. Hats off to this man. I've rarely used Soothe 2 since I bought Pro Q 3.

    • @kenmula4624
      @kenmula4624 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Can PRO Q 3 be used for the same effect as Soothe? any idea

    • @TheAJKid
      @TheAJKid 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@kenmula4624 Kind of. Depends on what you’re using it for. Soothe is essentially just a dynamic EQ reacting to thresholds but it’s more automated and algorithmic. PRO Q is just a really diverse EQ. It has dynamic bands as well if you want to use them.

    • @kenmula4624
      @kenmula4624 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheAJKid i was hoping to do this trick from this video, but i don't have soothe2. i was hoping to use PRO Q3 or something else that is less expensive or that i already own.

  • @Esthy
    @Esthy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    :DDDD I am crying, what a great transition: "but if I were to do an AD...."
    Love this trick, kinda forgot about it so thanks for the reminder! You are the most straightforward and informative mixing channel out there! 💕

  • @paulmisty8998
    @paulmisty8998 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'll add that:
    1. Soothe reduces the frequency unaware of potential frequency maskings. This means that the instrumental will be reduced in volume as soon as there is a vocal coming in.
    2. There are other plugins that are specialised for unmasking duties that analyse the s/c input and then only lower the volume if there is any frequency masking happening.
    → in short words: Soothe doesn't care what's going on in the instrumental. It's reducing the incoming s/c signal away from the instrumental - even if there was no real problem with clashing frequencies (masking). On the other hand, there are plugins that analyse masking problems and only reduce if there IS a problem.
    Ducking plugins: Soothe, Trackspacer, Multiband Compressors.
    Unmasking plugins: SmartComp 1 and 2, SmartEQ4.

  • @hporemixhub
    @hporemixhub 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    Your content is one of the best and precise. No long videos just to the point content that is easy to understand thanks for helping out the community ❤

  • @tarastmichel
    @tarastmichel 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    This is basically similar to what I do with TDR Nova. I send the vocal bus to unused channels in Reaper and use those as the sidechain reference in Nova. This will work with pretty much any dynamic EQ or multi-band compressor and it’s great for mixing to premade beats when you can’t adjust anything to carve out the space manually even if you wanted to. You only really need to do it on any frequencies that are actively obscuring the vocal too much and not every single space the vocal exists. I usually do somewhere in the mids and around 5khz since those are usually spots that clash with vocal clarity and depth.

    • @davelowry123
      @davelowry123 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm slowly figuring out how to do this in Reaper too. Do you recommend doing it on every project like BigZ said?

    • @tarastmichel
      @tarastmichel 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@davelowry123 I usually find myself doing this on every project even if it’s just to kinda tuck the vocal into the instrumental a bit more. Not all projects will necessarily need it though. If you start to hear the vocal getting hard to hear or understand and raising the vocals makes it sound like the vocal is sitting on top rather than as a part of the whole piece, then you definitely want to use this. Otherwise use your discretion. Some genres or styles may naturally make room for a vocal pretty well in the instrumental mix and you may not need this.

    • @SAPhoenixat
      @SAPhoenixat 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do you know how to sidechain it like he does here but in reaper ?@@tarastmichel

    • @tarastmichel
      @tarastmichel 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SAPhoenixat The main thing is Reaper works a little differently than other DAWs in that you don’t really have specific bus tracks or sends. What you’d want to do is group all your vocals in a folder track (which I like to think of as a bus) and send that track to the instrumental track or folder (depending on whether you have stems grouped in a folder or a pre-rendered track) on channels 3/4. This effectively makes a copy of the stereo vocal audio on channels 3 and 4 which are not used in a stereo mix and thus aren’t heard on the master track. Then you add your plugin to the instrumental track or folder and tell it to reference those channels (which may also show up as EXT, External, or Auxiliary in some plugins). This should work the same as what he does in the video but working around Reaper’s odd layout. There’s a ton of videos outlining how to side chain in reaper if you get stuck cause it’s not quite the same as a DAW where you have set busses and sends… instead your tracks become what you make them based on layout and usage.

    • @SAPhoenixat
      @SAPhoenixat 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks I did exactly that and it works wonderfully @@tarastmichel

  • @remydupon9965
    @remydupon9965 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Great tip!!! Works the same as trackspacer but with much more precision on the frequencies.
    Thanks

  • @ryanladd6667
    @ryanladd6667 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Love this trick! Would you mind explaining the reason for creating a vocal bus with no output and why you wouldn’t just sidechain to the vocal track directly?

    • @Jimburai
      @Jimburai 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      I was thinking the same thing too! But I came to the conclusion that this duplicate has all the regular processing without the effects (delay, reverb, ect), so it would be helpful in carving out the track only when actual words are spoken for intelligibility and then immediately going back to normal. If you side chained to the vocal bus directly, I feel like you would end up needlessly killing your instruments by messing up the EQ when the space isn't needed or adding a pulsing effect where this effect is being activated with the delay. That's the only answer that makes sense to me, but I do find it a bit weird that he doesn't directly explain why.

    • @pixlmyst
      @pixlmyst 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      My guess is that creating the bus is more relevant when processing layered vocals, so he's just showing a 'best practice', even if a bus isn't required for a solo vocal.

    • @jdrukman
      @jdrukman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      He wanted to access the vocals after all the insert plugins are applied. In logic at least if you just use the track as the sidechain, it’s tapped before all the inserts.

    • @ssmbl
      @ssmbl 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      can anyone explain how to do this in ableton, please?

    • @DEANCROSS615
      @DEANCROSS615 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@jdrukmanThis is incorrect.

  • @kidknik
    @kidknik 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You have opened my mind to so much with your courses and training methods, thank you so much for the value you bring to the community. You are creating artists! It’s people like you that make the world a better place with better music. Nobody should have to struggle when it comes to learning music production. Thank you again!

  • @yahyeet6163
    @yahyeet6163 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    I'm boutta bus 😫

    • @sausboi9677
      @sausboi9677 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      HAHA.

    • @kingbobo3865
      @kingbobo3865 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      😂😂😂

    • @jamalcole1985
      @jamalcole1985 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hahahahahaha 😂😂😂

  • @andrijucken844
    @andrijucken844 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    You can do the exact same thing with "Trackspacer" just by adding a Sidechain Input from the Vocal to the Instrumental Group. No "Ghost Group" needed. But Soothe is such a crazy Plugin.

    • @macsiggi
      @macsiggi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      and trackspacer is way cheaper + actually goes on sale from time to time

    • @alananthony7762
      @alananthony7762 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I just use the stock sidechain plugin on Ableton, it's totally underrated for how good it is, especially if you layer it well ;)

    • @milomaurermusic
      @milomaurermusic 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      How do you mean by this? Would the Soothe2 plugin go onto the VOX BUS and receive sidechain from INST BUS? Explain it out for me please

    • @d-boyzeighteenhundred
      @d-boyzeighteenhundred 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@milomaurermusic Curious as well

    • @trond-oien
      @trond-oien 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Soothe2 goes on the Instrumental bus and receive sidechain from the vox "ghost" bus thus carving out space for the vocal. The point of the ghost vocal bus as I understand it is that you'll want to include the full spectrum of the processed vocal in the sidechain signal for a more precise result. Great trick. @@milomaurermusic​

  • @marinowong
    @marinowong 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This was awesome, thank you so much Big Z!

  • @PrincipalAudio
    @PrincipalAudio 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hard ratios are key to making this work. In Rock music with heavy guitars, I tend to duck the high mids the most, but with a very high ratio so it pretty much dips -1.5dB with every part of the vocal rather than just the loudest parts. I like how you do this in Soothe quite hard then limit to 2-3dB reduction via the main knob. Same kinda effect but much more precise than dynamic EQ or multiband comp. I might have to get it!

  • @SouvikSinhaOfficial
    @SouvikSinhaOfficial 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ufff!!! It's a masterpiece!!! Chokh bondho kore just visual korchhilam gaan ta!!! E gaaner bhobiswate jeno sob bangalir kachhe pouchhoi ei prarthona kori!!! Khub khub bhalo hoyechhe dada!!!! ❤

  • @prowarren517
    @prowarren517 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Seriously thank you so much for these guides, tremendously helpful and right to the point

  • @jamesmcrayjohnsoniii2889
    @jamesmcrayjohnsoniii2889 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a powerful, elegant ducking technique. And so easy. Cleaned up one of my mixes in 5 minutes.

  • @bostin3535
    @bostin3535 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    nice! I also like to use soothe to sidechain any reverb/delay i have on the vocal, really convenient way of carving out space for the vox especially in a wet mix.

  • @Processor609
    @Processor609 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    >My trick has always been FL Studio's "Multiband compression" use a multiband compressor for the beat and also the vocals individually. One on each track. Then one in the master track but you really have to fine tune and choose lows, mids and highs, and the compression rate for them individually.

    • @amirv1422
      @amirv1422 หลายเดือนก่อน

      fl is so powerful. it can do everything with the stock plugins if you know how to

  • @osmark86
    @osmark86 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    I do this with trackspacer for the same effect. Just really nice to have a tool in one's arsenal that can sidechain EQ duck one channel from another. Absolutely essential imo.
    Btw you don't have to do the send bit in Ableton, if you're in that DAW, since you have an option of sending sidechains pre or post fx.

    • @RemmyMusic1
      @RemmyMusic1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      literally 😂

    • @ScottThePisces
      @ScottThePisces 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      you don't need to do the send bit in Logic either idk why he did that lol

    • @tobiaslofi
      @tobiaslofi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ScottThePisces he probably learned to do that in ProTools years ago and transitioned this "bad habit" to Logic? I guess?

    • @AutPen38
      @AutPen38 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I think he did it in this convoluted way because his vocal bus also contains backing vocals. He only wanted the lead vocals to be sent to Soothe's sidechain input, so he sent the lead vox to a separate channel first. You could have much simpler routing if the busses in your mixing template are set up differently.

    • @BALTAOFC
      @BALTAOFC 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      true 100

  • @digdigdigdigdig1749
    @digdigdigdigdig1749 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Literally fucking game changing, usually mixing tutorials are hit or miss, but you fucking killed it my g

  • @happyshadow
    @happyshadow 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    You can go further by using mid side unlinking OR Stereo unlinking to focus the effect

    • @Rocky2Up
      @Rocky2Up 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What? How

    • @happyshadow
      @happyshadow 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Rocky2Up at the bottom right there is a left and right or mid side button and a link percentage you can turn down

    • @jameswhitaker4357
      @jameswhitaker4357 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@happyshadoware u focusing your effects on mid processing I’m guessing

  • @ronkayofficial
    @ronkayofficial 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This has been one of the best and most useful things I've learned so far, and I thought it was such an important topic. I really appreciate you taking the effort to teach it for free. I'm truly a big fan now, thank you so much for your help, and I will definitely purchase your course. You're the man!! ❤👑🚀

  • @martinthe3rd664
    @martinthe3rd664 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I've been doing this for years but this is the best explained video of it I've ever seen. I also use TrackSpacer for this instead of Soothe. Soothe only lowers resonant parts of the audio (as heard in your example) whereas TrackSpacer doesn't make that distinction. Any reason why you'd want only the resonant frequencies to duck?
    Also, I'm always surprised as how hard I can push the trackspacer in this sidechain mode, if I mute the vocals the instrumental sound very wobbly and strange but with the vocals on it's perfectly natural :) One just needs to remember to disable this stuff when bouncing out instrumentals...

    • @soundsliketree
      @soundsliketree 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m also curious about this.

    • @casualintrovert207
      @casualintrovert207 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's more precise this way, I normally use trackspacer too but you can't have it on too strongly or else it will just start to really do some wide EQ carving of your instrumental. With Soothe you can mess with the sharpness and selectivity knobs to really fine tune exactly how much it's cutting out. You can make it carve out the sharper resonances only, or if you turn both knobs lower you can have it do a wider carve like trackspacer would do. With soothe you can dial it as precise carving as you want before you start to hear artifacts which is nice. Every day I find more uses for that plugin. And it has oversampling which can help reduce aliasing distortion on the high end if you start to carve out a lot there.

    • @ScottThePisces
      @ScottThePisces 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well actually soothe can do exactly what trackspacer does if you reduce the sharpness

  • @shakeelmusicofficial520
    @shakeelmusicofficial520 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    that is some next level content, the visuals are amazing ,,,, looks like a lot of investment.
    this was amazing tutorial, thanks

  • @pjbosman4191
    @pjbosman4191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Top notch content, as always. I always learn so much from you. Thanks Big Z! Much love from South Africa! 🎧

  • @cj7steps421
    @cj7steps421 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you too bro and peace!

  • @brandongabel
    @brandongabel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I like this approach. I'm more interested in using it strictly with instrumental music processing the guitars, bass, drums, or synths (etc.) in place of the vocals.
    Could be a wash but experimentation will be done for sure.
    Thanks for the tutorial fam.

  • @hvnkai
    @hvnkai 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The way that ad slid in after saying this isn’t a Soothe ad was smooth lol. Also I don’t know how well Surfer EQ works with vocals but it’s literally built for this producing trick when trying to get instruments to pop in a mix.

  • @LexAladar
    @LexAladar 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This one is def a bit advanced but the result sounds amazing. I think I figured out how to do this a bit using Izotope plugins that let you unmask a track in the same manner. The plugin is chained throughout, so they can speak to each other in the same manner. Not familiar with the side chain process or what it does too well though, but I think I just gotta watch the video a few more times.

  • @kardewvalley
    @kardewvalley 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    the "but if i WERE to do an ad..." made me laugh hahaha
    thank u sm for this video it was super helpful!! just subscribed 🤙

  • @CarloDanger
    @CarloDanger 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I like doing this with just vocals sc the chords and leads. Don’t want my bass getting any sidechain compression from the vocal.

  • @10commvndments
    @10commvndments 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Shesssh! This plugin is a game changer. I’m used to just side chaining with a multi-band comp.

  • @robertsteinberger
    @robertsteinberger 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Trackspacer.

    • @thehiddenchannel636
      @thehiddenchannel636 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha

    • @djthope9710
      @djthope9710 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I guess this method gives better results than trackspacer

    • @maruserumangaka
      @maruserumangaka 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@djthope9710ofc. Because you can control the bandwidth and other parameters 🤓 🔥

    • @robertsteinberger
      @robertsteinberger 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@djthope9710 why though?

    • @djthope9710
      @djthope9710 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robertsteinberger cause its cutting/filling precise frequencies instead of a band,
      But I’d still stick with trackspacer, as it kinda literally feels like creating space and have some breathing room according to my need. And then fill it. (Resonances can however be controlled later by Soothe, creating a glued feeling)
      until and unless there is a specific scenario where even minute differences matter(maybe bass or lower mids) then prolly I’ll use his method.

  • @soundscapeswithswarit
    @soundscapeswithswarit 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Beautiful trick buddy. thanks .. you are genius. Somebody give him a grammy.

  • @rightwinger-de1xv
    @rightwinger-de1xv 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm curious about how this would be done in fl studio. Someone shine a light upon me please?

  • @OneBiteBeats
    @OneBiteBeats 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is prob one of the smartest and useful tricks for fitting a vocal in the mix i ever seen

  • @Username_Invalid
    @Username_Invalid 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Love your videos but not sure about this one especially with Rock or Pop. We should mix to make things sound like they belong together and not necessarily for separation. To me the before sounded more glued together. Sometimes dirty and clashing sounds better than separated. Love your content again and your course line was sleek as hell lol

    • @BigZMusic
      @BigZMusic  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Thanks for watching my vids man 👍🏼

    • @elreyabeja4539
      @elreyabeja4539 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I get ya. The modern desire to hear the vocals so far forward from the mix is a little irritating to me. I do like the vocals tucked in and enveloped by the track more than sitting right out on top. However, a lot of my clients want their vocals sooo far forward so that's what I give them.

    • @Username_Invalid
      @Username_Invalid 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BigZMusicThanks for the content and ideas 👍

    • @paulhelsby
      @paulhelsby 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@elreyabeja4539 agreed, stands out like a sure thumb, but its hidden in the poor sound quality of what the majority people use to listen to music on like their cell phones and Amazon Alecia etc, even their flat screen huge tv. when was the last time you went to someones house and they played some music on a quality home system?? for me it was the 90s...

    • @paulhelsby
      @paulhelsby 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      and these kind of techniques are needed on such tiny poor quality music systems (if you can even call them that)

  • @AndySalinger33
    @AndySalinger33 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bloody hell! Game changer. Thanks so much!

  • @TorchArts
    @TorchArts 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    i knew what this was going to be but actually that soothe Delta Vocoder sound is really sick i'm definitely going to try that as a vocal effect with different backing sounds LOL

    • @aper6014
      @aper6014 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      i was gonna say lol i didn’t realize the delta would sound so cool i’ve never seen anyone use soothe like a voocoder but that’s def something i wanna try now 😅

    • @codybeachchair
      @codybeachchair 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, that was crazy

  • @daviddelpinoherrera2672
    @daviddelpinoherrera2672 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m still not sure if this is what I was looking for, but I need to try this.

  • @NateVanDeusen
    @NateVanDeusen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    why do you even create a send for the lead vocal at @1:29? Why not just add soothe2 onto your instrumental bus and sidechain it right to to the lead vocal audio channel "vox"?

    • @Mopsie
      @Mopsie 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Right, was wondering this too. Seems convoluted. But maybe I’m missing something?

    • @NateVanDeusen
      @NateVanDeusen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Mopsie right? curious if you have a specific reason for this, or if its just how you have always done it @big z ?

    • @jochembroersen
      @jochembroersen 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      More control...you can control how much volume you sent in and automate this if "needed" and you could make choices on which return tracks you'll include in the signal. For instance, you might not want a room, that you also use for the instruments to be included in the side chain.

  • @pfft5275
    @pfft5275 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Note for people taking this as a perfect solution: the problem with making a perfect inversion of the dynamics means that the backing track gets cut most when a loud sound comes in, and cut the least for quietest sounds-- in other words, the opposite of what we need to make room. The loudest parts were already loud enough to cut through and now they've got even more space, and the quietest parts that needed the most room get the least attention.
    It's still a useful tool for your arsenal, just don't get confused about what it's doing. Keep in mind what's actually happening, so that you'll know if it's right for your mix or if you need to compensate for it.

  • @RaphyJmusic
    @RaphyJmusic 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I believe that if you use Soothe for this, it would result in only the problematic resonant frequencies of the vocal being cut into the instrumental. Rather than the full vocal. Whereas something like trackspacer would make a space for the full vocal.
    Anyone else have any thoughts on this? Maybe it was the goal to only cut the resonances?

    • @steppabanton9753
      @steppabanton9753 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Why would you want to "believe" anything when mixing?

    • @payetadisquette492
      @payetadisquette492 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      what you said have sense unfortunely...

    • @AckzellMusic
      @AckzellMusic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is what I was thinking. I've tried this out in 2 projects myself this morning, and I am hearing 'improvements' in the overall sound of the vocals with the instrumental. It genuinely feels like it is tricking me into liking the result more.
      But my brain is saying that I use this plugin to cut frequencies I don't want in something. Aren't I just highlighting the unpleasant vocal frequencies by making room for them on the instrument bus? It doesn't 'sound' like that's what it is doing, but how could it be doing anything else?
      I'm gonna keep it one of the projects I visit often atm for the next couple days and then turn it off and see if I hear an 'improvement' again. Then I'll know my brain/ears are genuinely playing tricks or not as they so often do!

    • @steppabanton9753
      @steppabanton9753 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AckzellMusic it's in sidechain mode. It doesn't "care" about any of what you're talking about. It's simply ducking the frequencies it's receiving from the sidechain (vocal) out of the instrumental. Stop over thinking guys.

    • @AckzellMusic
      @AckzellMusic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@steppabanton9753 With plenty of experimentation done today myself I am agreeing with you that this is not something to worry about in the end. I already had other methods of doing something similar, so I wanted to be sure. I've settled on Soothe 2 for this as it really does seem to make the music 'wrap around' the vocals in a pleasant way!
      I overthink everything, cheers for your input :)

  • @westthampton
    @westthampton 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Usually I learn something from videos, this taught me absolutely nothing, but I get it he charges for real teaching

  • @prodby430
    @prodby430 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    If you ask me trackspacer is an better solution but both ways will work. For me personally trackspacer sounds better on such stuff.

    • @Reggi_Sample
      @Reggi_Sample 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Poormans neutron unmask

  • @kashbandi7461
    @kashbandi7461 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow I just came across this video and I’m at a loss for words lmao. I’ve been doing this since 2013/2014. Thanks for confirming that what I was doing was ahead of it’s time and also showing me that if I would’ve made videos of my ideas when it came to mixing I would’ve blown up. Wow.

  • @duguy182
    @duguy182 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Just like trackspacer lol

    • @traezaX1
      @traezaX1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just thought about that

  • @zsombigregor
    @zsombigregor 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And that's what you can do with the multiband sidechain preset of the patcher in fl studio. I love that sooo much.

  • @musicbydenchik
    @musicbydenchik 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    how to do on fl?

  • @anubhavverma9528
    @anubhavverma9528 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    0:17 [BEFORE]
    3:20 [AFTER]

  • @prowler2783
    @prowler2783 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Trackspacer is a $60 plug-in that is specifically made to do this

    • @tawixdu64
      @tawixdu64 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not that precise but basically yes

    • @BigZMusic
      @BigZMusic  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yeah it’s not nearly as precise

    • @B2svn465
      @B2svn465 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@BigZMusicgood for instruments not so much for vocals

    • @joeclarmusic
      @joeclarmusic 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      One would argue that using a resonance suppressor (soothe) on all the instruments is too many notches.

    • @JonKunis
      @JonKunis 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s almost always on sale for $25-30.

  • @charliekey2979
    @charliekey2979 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's a cleaver trick! I have to try it. Thank you for sharing.

  • @heleaven_music
    @heleaven_music 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How do you do this is FL Studio? I can't sidechain the plugin (soothe 2) to the vocals
    any help would mean a lot, thanks!

    • @Riv679
      @Riv679 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did you find out? I'm curious about this, would love to hear an answer!

    • @heleaven_music
      @heleaven_music 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Riv679 No, I didn't. I ran out of trail version before I could figure anything else lol

    • @Riv679
      @Riv679 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@heleaven_music Ayyy, i see. Ty for answering though dude!

    • @heleaven_music
      @heleaven_music 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Riv679 no problem! please let me know if you figure it out, if possible.

    • @Riv679
      @Riv679 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@heleaven_music Sure thing!

  • @NormanTiner
    @NormanTiner 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I NEVER would have thought to use sooth2 for this. I'm really impressed. Thank you

  • @meungawa
    @meungawa 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Dude, you have to stop the upspeak. It's unbearable. DON'T trail your voice upward at the end of each sentence like you're asking a question. There are great videos on TH-cam on how to stop upspeak. Your videos will be much better received and you'll sound like an adult versus a child's inflection asking for permission with your voice trailing upward like you're asking a question instead of confidently speaking a statement as all good speakers do. You can do it and you'll never go back once you realize this. Thanks for the good video.

    • @jackkerry4137
      @jackkerry4137 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @meungawa you should try therapy

  • @zenithapollostar487
    @zenithapollostar487 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Quite a difference from start to finish. Well done😊

  • @DumboSanchez
    @DumboSanchez 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Trackspacer does exactly this and makes it a piece of cake to dial in the depth

  • @neonlove1289
    @neonlove1289 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was so to the point with no fluff, im lucky i subscribed at the start of the video cuz i wouldve smashed that f***ing button

  • @labavemusihg
    @labavemusihg 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the way you slid that ad in there. Iconic.

  • @devopsdevops-yp2ig
    @devopsdevops-yp2ig หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing tutorial!!
    Subscribed!

  • @facubausset7345
    @facubausset7345 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tremendo video! Gracias

  • @TheLockdawg
    @TheLockdawg 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    man its crazy when you find videos like this added this to my new song I'm working on, deff sounds better, you are a saint.

  • @bsv7525
    @bsv7525 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is literally the best thing I've seen. Hella helpful, now I'm also excited for my music😂😂. Thank you🙏

  • @sleonse
    @sleonse 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Big Z you really are Great man! Thanks!

  • @niklasneumannmusic
    @niklasneumannmusic 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it sounds really professional, i think big producers use the same effect

  • @DarkMuzishn
    @DarkMuzishn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is god like!!! ive come to this video by suggestion, i think this is the best suggestion youtube gave me! this is amazing! i didnt nkow i needed this till now, now i cant live without it XD epic job dude!

  • @JordanDAD
    @JordanDAD 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    OH MY GOD, I really appreciate the way you teach ❤️

  • @darkvilleproductions6485
    @darkvilleproductions6485 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bro, I just watched this video and when I saw what you did, my mind went crazy! Thank you so much for this tip. I’ll be taking a peep at your course my dude. Again, thank you!

  • @BenjaminWidawski
    @BenjaminWidawski หลายเดือนก่อน

    Smoothest ad ever

  • @999GNG
    @999GNG 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    GOLD TIP! Soothe2 is better than other methods for doing this type of side chain vox/instrumental! Amazing work, sounds beautiful on my job too

    • @musiceverheard
      @musiceverheard 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Try trackspacer

  • @Epp638
    @Epp638 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    found this method to be quite superior to trackspacer thanks to soothes fine adjustability - thank you for that! perfect for giving already good mixed vocals the last touch to sit well in the beat

  • @infuschia2229
    @infuschia2229 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the delta actually sounds sick, sounds like a very smooth vocoder, gotta try that

  • @evanh75
    @evanh75 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Side chain is a good trick to make some spaces for the elements. For producers, play with the notes of instruments first rather than fixing it with eq. instruments fill the space of human hearing spectrum. That’s why you don’t necessarily play the same notes as the vocal all the time. Also, if some instruments are clashing each other with notes that are too close to each other harmonically like major/minor 2nd, it leaves no space for the vocal.

  • @WilliamAshleyOnline
    @WilliamAshleyOnline 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes the vocal sidechain is something I've been playing with recently.. really helps to provide space for it to show but that is not to say that equing and secondary compression mixing still won't elevate things even more or even presidechain compression to blend with the track more.

  • @1masterfader
    @1masterfader 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fabfilter Pro q 3 EQ match does the same thing. I use it on my mixes.

  • @zan6585
    @zan6585 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks so much! Really subtle but almost perfectly carves the vocals out without having to worry too much about compromising the instrumental. Think it may have been helpful to share what you're looking for in sharpness and sens but I kinda felt it out, by the end I could really hear the separation a lot better.

  • @OnkelMisha
    @OnkelMisha 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Triple Thumbs up Thanks, this gives my purchase of Soothe2 a new live 🥰

  • @cleesely
    @cleesely 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    DUDE YOU ARE SO AWESOME THIS IS NEXT LEVEL - TRULY AMAZING DUDE!!

  • @rufussthubbins8891
    @rufussthubbins8891 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m getting back into home studio mixing after over 10 year hiatus, so I’m a bit behind on the times..but this right here is absolutely amazing. I can’t believe this wasn’t clickbait. Can’t waIt to try it. Thanks 🙌

  • @ProducedByChristo
    @ProducedByChristo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you please to a tutorial on this for Studio One?

  • @xTigerx777
    @xTigerx777 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i went from DSEQ to trackspacer but im in love the Sooth2 UI. its looks soothing.....

  • @ProdBy2wav
    @ProdBy2wav 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “This isn’t an ad but if I were to do an ad” bro 😂

  • @pablochavez7481
    @pablochavez7481 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cool i use this same trick with soothe and also with another plugin called track spacer which is made specifically for that.

  • @marcusdevantofficial6728
    @marcusdevantofficial6728 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just bought Soothe 2 yesterday and I love it! 🔥

  • @maz_amor
    @maz_amor หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great man, thanks

  • @Anshul.Quantum
    @Anshul.Quantum 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well .. this information is very important… thank you for sharing it ❤