Also German here. Exactly what I was thinking the first two seconds I saw this sword. I instantly said out loud that it is a Haudegen. Makes literally absolutely no sense to guess if it is called a rapier, broadsword or sidesword when it is clearly a German sword of it's own type with it's own name.
Interesting, does that word or its elements have an English translation, or is it just one of those very specific words without a good way to translate?
@InSanic13 well a wrong translation is mortuary sword but if we translated it directly is slashing/chopping sword/sidesword...........Degen best translated more like side sword from 17th century onward....Haudegen is also a term for swashbuckler whose are associated for this type of sword
yeah, I was all "Oh, I'd LOVE to own.... a reproduction of that, because I'd want to swing it around and that's probably not the best thing to do with an antique."
Swords last pretty much indefinitely (at least for human society standards) if you take care of them properly. Japan has more than a few 700 years old blades that still look mint because they've been cared for for that long.
IMHO, Rapier is really just a vibes-based designation; what we now called a small-sword they usually just called a rapier back then. Why? Because its appearance and use is close enough!
Seitenwehr which translates as either sidearm or more precisely as sidesword is very much used in the period in German texts. It is quite common in military documents and manuals and can be found in texts written by persons connected to the Dutch military reforms where for example Johann von Nassau-Siegen wrote predominantly in German.
Kinda agree Seitenwehr describes all kind of swords but could also mean axes, sabers, daggers etc. So Sidearm is more precise than sidesword since sidesword would exclude the other weapons.
Of all the swords I’ve purchased to fence with, the best preserved is the one I like least, on account of my never using it. I wonder if it’s so well preserved because it’s purchaser picked up this 1650 gram beast and thought “……nevermind”, put it away to never be worn, and now it’s in perfect condition.
A basket hilted broadsword with a rapier hilt. I love it. It looks super practical, like a saber, not a status symbol like a rapier. Incidentally, this is basically exactly what I've been wanting. Now I have reference for having some industrious smith do a custom.
I don't see the point (no pun intended) of making such a long sword with a blunt tip. It seems like it just reduces your options in a fight. I think the point would be more useful than a sharp backside.
@@j3i2i2yl7 Well there are a few (logically speak, I assume):: First, unless you are fighting someone in armor, the human body is frail ... it doesn't take much to puncture us (Just decent force applied to a localized point, really) Secondly, you have to sharpen it ... all blades naturally round (tips most of all) ... the thinner the bladesmith makes it, the easier it is for the customer to ruin it. But most of all (again, in my opinion ... and I am no expert) the thinner a blade is at any point, the more prone it is to folding over, notching, breaking... the problems compound. Lastly (Again, no expert) they made 'flexible steel' by layering 'soft steel' inside 'higher carbon (more folded, harder)' steel ... and then beating it together, like a layered cake (that's what the lines in the center of the blade are for ... distributing/stretching the interior steel during forging ... i think) ... the outer, harder steel is more brittle.
It *feels* a certain way when you pick it up: this is such a neat insight from embodied expertise! The sword itself, once held, conveys to the wielder what it is by its affordances, much like a coffee-cup coveys that the user can pick it up by the handle.
The town guard sword is my favorite type, I have the Windlass one. Sturdy and versatile and still wearable. A rapier or a longsword would prbably be a little too long to carrya around frequently.
To this I answer something I learned on this channel: Our modern classifications are way too rigid to be able to give justice to the variety there is in historical sword design. And most of them are artificial anyway. Therefore I call this a one handed long sword!
Agree and add. Swords sometimes were made to order for a particular person this is what they wanted or maybe for a taller individual which preferred that style of handel.
Thank you! I was trying to come up with my own classification for this sword, but I'll support yours instead simply because a heavy one-handed long sword is exactly the type of weapon preferred by one of my favourite anime characters, and I need more real swords to fit that definition 😋
Personally, I argue that defining it as the physical object itself is a faulty premise. A sword is an abstraction of a function, not a physical object; the object is used _as_ a sword rather than being a sword in itself. It is a rapier insofar as it is used as a rapier and a broadsword insofar as it is used as a broadsword.
@ In the end, aren't we all here, just for finding out about the perfect historical counterpart to the swords of our favourite characters from our favourite sagas? Just like our ancestors were obsessed with magical blades like tyrfingr and excalibur. For me that would be a long sword sized claymore with a strongly forward swept guard and an animal head pommel.
@@NevisYsbryd Hmm. Interesting thought, but wouldn't that lead us to distinct sword classes for every fencing system? For every master? Possibly every single sword wielder? Even if the swords themselves are not really distinguishable by looks? Cause yes a specific sword leads it's wielder to a certain baseline for use, but the more versatile the sword, the more possibilities for use and therefore the more fencing systems there are for a sword. But it's the object itself that leads the user to it's way of use. This means, the said baseline of use is object bound and therefore object bound classification seems rather logical at first glance. In extreme words: If I use a Carolingian sword as a stabbing weapon, does it become a rapier, or is it still a Carolingian sword? So yes, we could define swords by their individual functionality, but we would need to specifically address a sword's intended function and use in order to avoid confusions. Otherwise, anything could be called any name depending on how you use it. Intended function is directly linked to its physical shape. Since the shape of the sword is a manifestation of the intended functionality that it's designer had, we are more or less talking about the same thing and end up with the same classifications weather we use function or shape as basis for our classification. Which again, we should not use these classifications too strictly. As I see it, it's just the rigidity of these classes we need to be concerned about. As much as we like classes to sort things into, we need to acknowledge that is not really how our ancestors did things. They seem to have liked to experiment with different things regarding their swords, way more than we give them credit for. My Conclusion: "It is a rapier insofar as it is used as a rapier and a broadsword insofar as it is used as a broadsword." is one way we could put it. But we end up in basically the same place if we say:"It is a rapier and it is a broad sword". Simply because shape is directly derived from intended use. What we need to acknowledge is that certain swords have intended uses that fit multiple standard classifications and therefore are in fact multiple things, if we take classifications as rigid and immovable, OR we acknowledge that classification itself is arbitrary and it doesn't really matter what we classify a certain sword as.
Good points. I like the way you describe a sword by the way it "feels" in the hand. In my (limited) experience of handling swords, they will tell you how they want to be used. (Funnily enough, the repro Gladius "hispaniensis" I handled once at a reenactment felt more like a cutter, probably the waisted blade , like a chonky ziphos), Anyway, what would I call that beautiful sword? A long sword, high-quality, but built for the battlefield.
Sounds a tad like a Mainz pattern gladius; they were slightly wasp waisted, to give them a bit more cutting power; I think the Mainz pattern came after the "hispaniensis." I have a Mainz pattern repro blade.
Since you asked, I think this may be a bladed weapon, possibly a sword. Honestly, I have little expertise on swords in general, and much less so on anything post-medieval (my area of "expertise" if you want to call it that is 5th to 8th Century central Europe): But it looks pretty and very well preserved, and I hope it found a nice home where it's treasured and treated well. I wonder though - do people who buy such swords (especially when they're in such a good shape) sometimes, you know: try them? Do some cutting tests or something? Perhaps even do a comparison with a reproduction version to see how close they get to the original in handling and performance? I mean, I'd be happy to just have it displayed and keep it nice and looked after, but I'd also be tempted to find out...
Looks like a calvary sword that was used by a soldier on horseback of the 1500's. I see a video of a sword making company that made a reproduction of a sword that was in a castle in England. The reproduction was made to the specs of the original that looked identical to that one. Very intricate detailing. Absolutely lovely as well. 😁👍
There are quite a few of these swords in museums and in auctions, and they are always in the 1400-1600g weight interval. German "rapier" fencing treatises (Heinrich von Gunterrodt in 1579; Jakob Sutor von Baden in 1612) show broader blades with rounder tips and the tendency to place the thumb on the blade. I suspect the thumb ring to be an adaptation of that style, especially since before that we see Meyer and Mair showing using sideswords without fingering the guard in the Italian way. So, thrusts from offline? Maybe. While I would disagree with the use of narrow-broadswords (feels like the two descriptors would cancel out), I would agree that these are not rapiers (in the Italian or Spanish sense). Since we have riding-sword (and I know their meaning is more to ride out with the sword by your side), and as I suspect this is more for horseback use (as hinted by the forward weight distribution), we can use riding-rapier. Otherwise, this is just a pallash in function, in use during the Thirty Years' War in Germany (same function as a Venetian Schiavona; flexible long blade for cutting and a thumb-ring hilt). You chop and stab with it from atop a horse.
I believe it's a basket hilted broadsword. The weight of the sword ⚔️ alone makes it something else besides a rapier. Also the cut or cutting dynamics make the weapon feel more general purpose than one use type of weapon like a rapier. Much of the same in terms of debate what is a Sabre? It really just depends on feel and use. So that is my opinion.
Besides plays, bear baiting and such, swordmanship contests and demonstrations were popular in Tutor England. just the thing to put on a good show? Its a bit too big to carry around, but if you have servant, why not have it.
Except for some discoloration on the blade, visible on closer shots, that blade almost looks like it is freshly forged. I don't think I want to know what it fetched at the auction! Looking at the hilt alone I was thinking rapier, then looking at the sword as a whole I was thinking more of a long/broad sword. Then you pointed out how the tip isn't particularly well suited for the thrust it tossed the rapier.
>1580-1590 For reference, that sword is about as old as the song Greensleeves, and is 5-10 years older than the earliest surviving works of Shakespeare
I grew up reading that Broad-Swords were about 2 inches in width (well from 2" to 1 1/2 inches width) and that sword is about 1 inch in width. It's not a Broad-Sword. And with the various metal guard-loops around the hilt I'd would say it's a Rapier. I'd call it a Military Side-Rapier. Whoever owned it probably wanted a sword that they can both wear both in a civilian and field-military environments.
Whatever it is, it looks amazing. Would the sword still be functional if you gave it a hand and a half sized grip so it could be used in one or two hands? I hope you are able to find one for yourself to show off more, because it has such a unique and mishmashed design.
Its almost like marketed for ppl who love and are proficient with hewing swords backsword/broadswords etc. but want to have a fashionable Rapier hilt to go with their outfit :D
To me, this looks a lot like a more complicated version of the idea behind the Swedish M1685 military sword. Which in Swedish is named a "Värja" (a phrase generally used for a thrusting sword), but very obviously designed for the cut.
In the much younger book "der geöffnete Fechtboden" from 1706, a very similar sword is called Rapier. The only difference is, that the swords depicted are protected with a bell.
Hey there. German here. Actually, it is neither of the sword types you mention. It is clearly a "Haudegen" which is an own German sword type. Hope that helps you.
And chances are it‘s made for export so people can give it any random 19th century artificial name they want to or just call it sword, Schwert, Spada, whatever.
Unfortunately we don’t know if Rapier, Degen, Schwert was also used for the exact same thing. But please proof me wrong, I am curious about your sources.
I swear I saw this sword just the other day... *Checks TH-cam history* Hmmmm...interesting, Arms & Armor has a reproduction of a sword that, at quick glance, appears somewhat similar to this, that they call the Cavalier Rapier (posted a couple of days ago). The main differences are: the quillons are bent up/down, as opposed to left/right; there's no fuller as it has a diamond cross section; and the entire blade tapers from the guard to the point.
TBH, kinda curious if the first rings weren't for hand protection cus the first finger ring is pretty damn small, but extra leverage to handle longer and longer blades in one hand. I imagine without fingering the guard or thumbing it, the blade with be very hard to move around.
The only thing I see that is ‘rapier like’ is the length of the blade (which is why I was not particularly surprised when you mentioned the weight). Overall, I’d probably classify it as a long broadsword (cavalry broadsword, perhaps?)
With not much knowledge on blade type, It look like a type XIX blade. With the cutty feel you describe, it would fall into that modern broadsword category IMO.
I'm not nearly strong enough to comfortably or quickly manage a 1680g sword in one hand. The original owner must have been a beast or a fool (or both). Various historical treatises warn against & complain about excessively heavy weapons. That was one of Silver's problems with long rapiers.
I'm no expert, but as soon as I saw the thumbnail and the question, said to my self "1590's heavy military style rapier for fans of George Silver's "Cut & Thrust fencing doctrine".
This is the blade type that I would imagine Meyer and Mair called rapier, with a simpler guard. How wide is that blade? Is there any catalog or detail info available for it?
Wow. Its incredible to think that sword was forged in the 1500s! Its in such good condition! How much would a sword like that go for at auction? Or more specifically, what would the bidding be likely to start at? Does anyone know, or have an idea?
As others have stated, the problem is that we insist on fixed clasifications, and 'if A=B, then A≠C'. It just doesn't work. That considered, and since it is linguistically correct, I opt to call it,.. a katana.
@FelixstoweFoamForge [serious] Well, you run into the same context dependent language issue then. Tachi originally also meant Á sword. If anything of a distinction could be made, then it would be on the position of the smith's signature on the tang and/or the mountings, both giving an indication of whether the sword was intended to be worn edge up or down. If these two criteria are conflicting (signature for edge down, mountings for edge up), convention would probably have it described as a "sword in uchigatana style mountings". In case of the opposite (signature for edge up, mountings for edge down), you got something weird; conversion from edge down to edge up was common, but the other way around not so much. In any case blade length says very little. It might be true for nambokucho tachi, but that's more of a general period trend. Tachi from other periods can be quite short, and definitely shorter than e.g. some bakumatsu swords in uchigatana style mountings. [/serious]
As a spearman or axeman I'd call it a puny sword. But calling it anything other than a weapon is getting into territory for more learned men than I. And considering 3yrs ago I started watching you, and others here, to figure out how swords should be classified and named, for RPG reasons, and am now even more confused; I don't really think that I would be wrong!!
We have owners of slow economy cars slapping on large wings, big wide wheels with large ultra-low profile tires, and racing stripes. Why can't someone with a mitary sword want a fancy hilt and guard?
Hey, Matt, I've seen reproduction and sparring cup hilt rapiers that don't have a knuckle bow, but I've never seen this in an original. Was this ever done historically back in the day?
Arms & Armor markets a broad-bladed sword they call a “Cavalier Rapier,” but that name actually seems more suited to what you’re showing us here: THAT’S what I’d call it.
There is no contradiction at all. Whatever the range of width for "broadsword" is, there will be those that are at the narrow end of that range, which would be narrow broadswords.
2:47 "Obviously it can thrust, it's a pointy peice of metal" - classic Easton.
I don't know what it is, but I know it's beautiful!
Sword perfection. I like el Cid's swords too.
Could have been for a really tall dude, makes sense. We may never know? 😢
My thoughts exactly!
In german we call this a Haudegen......very common in germany and italy at that time
Also German here. Exactly what I was thinking the first two seconds I saw this sword. I instantly said out loud that it is a Haudegen.
Makes literally absolutely no sense to guess if it is called a rapier, broadsword or sidesword when it is clearly a German sword of it's own type with it's own name.
Interesting, does that word or its elements have an English translation, or is it just one of those very specific words without a good way to translate?
@InSanic13 well a wrong translation is mortuary sword but if we translated it directly is slashing/chopping sword/sidesword...........Degen best translated more like side sword from 17th century onward....Haudegen is also a term for swashbuckler whose are associated for this type of sword
I want one ... with about two more inches of handle ... "so you can really put two hands behind it" ... 170-200 grams.
Full On "Bastard Sword" ... ...
@ you can ask todd workshop if you can order one with that specification
Kind of impressed that a ~500 year old iron/steel item is such a good condition.
yeah, I was all "Oh, I'd LOVE to own.... a reproduction of that, because I'd want to swing it around and that's probably not the best thing to do with an antique."
Swords last pretty much indefinitely (at least for human society standards) if you take care of them properly. Japan has more than a few 700 years old blades that still look mint because they've been cared for for that long.
The more time passes, the more I want to give into the anarchy of just calling everything a rapier
IMHO, Rapier is really just a vibes-based designation; what we now called a small-sword they usually just called a rapier back then. Why? Because its appearance and use is close enough!
Seitenwehr which translates as either sidearm or more precisely as sidesword is very much used in the period in German texts. It is quite common in military documents and manuals and can be found in texts written by persons connected to the Dutch military reforms where for example Johann von Nassau-Siegen wrote predominantly in German.
Kinda agree Seitenwehr describes all kind of swords but could also mean axes, sabers, daggers etc. So Sidearm is more precise than sidesword since sidesword would exclude the other weapons.
I would have classified it, based on looks as a big sidesword. Even more so now after your explanation on that beautiful sword.
Imagine how proud the swordsmith would be to know we were still gushing about their work almost half a milennium later
Of all the swords I’ve purchased to fence with, the best preserved is the one I like least, on account of my never using it.
I wonder if it’s so well preserved because it’s purchaser picked up this 1650 gram beast and thought “……nevermind”, put it away to never be worn, and now it’s in perfect condition.
Don't forget the very long blade, that thing couldn't have been comfortable to wear in every day life.
A basket hilted broadsword with a rapier hilt. I love it. It looks super practical, like a saber, not a status symbol like a rapier.
Incidentally, this is basically exactly what I've been wanting. Now I have reference for having some industrious smith do a custom.
IOW, a rapier-hilted broadsword
(In My Opinion)
It needs about two more inches of handle 1630-1900 grams (anything under 1400 would be too flimsy ... 2000 would be too bulky)
(Hand and a half, bastard sword) ... balanced nimble "long fencing sword" ... or the quickest Claymore in history ... ... just saying!! 😂😂
I don't see the point (no pun intended) of making such a long sword with a blunt tip. It seems like it just reduces your options in a fight. I think the point would be more useful than a sharp backside.
@@j3i2i2yl7 Well there are a few (logically speak, I assume)::
First, unless you are fighting someone in armor, the human body is frail ... it doesn't take much to puncture us (Just decent force applied to a localized point, really)
Secondly, you have to sharpen it ... all blades naturally round (tips most of all) ... the thinner the bladesmith makes it, the easier it is for the customer to ruin it.
But most of all (again, in my opinion ... and I am no expert) the thinner a blade is at any point, the more prone it is to folding over, notching, breaking... the problems compound.
Lastly (Again, no expert) they made 'flexible steel' by layering 'soft steel' inside 'higher carbon (more folded, harder)' steel ... and then beating it together, like a layered cake (that's what the lines in the center of the blade are for ... distributing/stretching the interior steel during forging ... i think) ... the outer, harder steel is more brittle.
It *feels* a certain way when you pick it up: this is such a neat insight from embodied expertise!
The sword itself, once held, conveys to the wielder what it is by its affordances, much like a coffee-cup coveys that the user can pick it up by the handle.
If swords were acceptable today, I’d go for a side sword or a town guard sword. Gorgeous.
The town guard sword is my favorite type, I have the Windlass one. Sturdy and versatile and still wearable. A rapier or a longsword would prbably be a little too long to carrya around frequently.
Arent they acceptable?
Bring back swords. 🗡️
To this I answer something I learned on this channel: Our modern classifications are way too rigid to be able to give justice to the variety there is in historical sword design. And most of them are artificial anyway.
Therefore I call this a one handed long sword!
Agree and add. Swords sometimes were made to order for a particular person this is what they wanted or maybe for a taller individual which preferred that style of handel.
Thank you! I was trying to come up with my own classification for this sword, but I'll support yours instead simply because a heavy one-handed long sword is exactly the type of weapon preferred by one of my favourite anime characters, and I need more real swords to fit that definition 😋
Personally, I argue that defining it as the physical object itself is a faulty premise. A sword is an abstraction of a function, not a physical object; the object is used _as_ a sword rather than being a sword in itself. It is a rapier insofar as it is used as a rapier and a broadsword insofar as it is used as a broadsword.
@ In the end, aren't we all here, just for finding out about the perfect historical counterpart to the swords of our favourite characters from our favourite sagas? Just like our ancestors were obsessed with magical blades like tyrfingr and excalibur.
For me that would be a long sword sized claymore with a strongly forward swept guard and an animal head pommel.
@@NevisYsbryd Hmm. Interesting thought, but wouldn't that lead us to distinct sword classes for every fencing system? For every master? Possibly every single sword wielder? Even if the swords themselves are not really distinguishable by looks? Cause yes a specific sword leads it's wielder to a certain baseline for use, but the more versatile the sword, the more possibilities for use and therefore the more fencing systems there are for a sword. But it's the object itself that leads the user to it's way of use. This means, the said baseline of use is object bound and therefore object bound classification seems rather logical at first glance.
In extreme words: If I use a Carolingian sword as a stabbing weapon, does it become a rapier, or is it still a Carolingian sword?
So yes, we could define swords by their individual functionality, but we would need to specifically address a sword's intended function and use in order to avoid confusions. Otherwise, anything could be called any name depending on how you use it. Intended function is directly linked to its physical shape. Since the shape of the sword is a manifestation of the intended functionality that it's designer had, we are more or less talking about the same thing and end up with the same classifications weather we use function or shape as basis for our classification. Which again, we should not use these classifications too strictly.
As I see it, it's just the rigidity of these classes we need to be concerned about. As much as we like classes to sort things into, we need to acknowledge that is not really how our ancestors did things. They seem to have liked to experiment with different things regarding their swords, way more than we give them credit for.
My Conclusion: "It is a rapier insofar as it is used as a rapier and a broadsword insofar as it is used as a broadsword." is one way we could put it. But we end up in basically the same place if we say:"It is a rapier and it is a broad sword". Simply because shape is directly derived from intended use. What we need to acknowledge is that certain swords have intended uses that fit multiple standard classifications and therefore are in fact multiple things, if we take classifications as rigid and immovable, OR we acknowledge that classification itself is arbitrary and it doesn't really matter what we classify a certain sword as.
Good points. I like the way you describe a sword by the way it "feels" in the hand. In my (limited) experience of handling swords, they will tell you how they want to be used. (Funnily enough, the repro Gladius "hispaniensis" I handled once at a reenactment felt more like a cutter, probably the waisted blade , like a chonky ziphos),
Anyway, what would I call that beautiful sword? A long sword, high-quality, but built for the battlefield.
Sounds a tad like a Mainz pattern gladius; they were slightly wasp waisted, to give them a bit more cutting power; I think the Mainz pattern came after the "hispaniensis." I have a Mainz pattern repro blade.
Given the length, I would consider it a cavalry sword, for reaching things from horseback.
Since you asked, I think this may be a bladed weapon, possibly a sword.
Honestly, I have little expertise on swords in general, and much less so on anything post-medieval (my area of "expertise" if you want to call it that is 5th to 8th Century central Europe):
But it looks pretty and very well preserved, and I hope it found a nice home where it's treasured and treated well.
I wonder though - do people who buy such swords (especially when they're in such a good shape) sometimes, you know: try them? Do some cutting tests or something? Perhaps even do a comparison with a reproduction version to see how close they get to the original in handling and performance?
I mean, I'd be happy to just have it displayed and keep it nice and looked after, but I'd also be tempted to find out...
If I have to name a weapon I always go by how I'd use it so I completely agree, that's a very long swept hilted Broadsword. Beautiful 🙂
Looks like a calvary sword that was used by a soldier on horseback of the 1500's. I see a video of a sword making company that made a reproduction of a sword that was in a castle in England. The reproduction was made to the specs of the original that looked identical to that one. Very intricate detailing. Absolutely lovely as well. 😁👍
There are quite a few of these swords in museums and in auctions, and they are always in the 1400-1600g weight interval.
German "rapier" fencing treatises (Heinrich von Gunterrodt in 1579; Jakob Sutor von Baden in 1612) show broader blades with rounder tips and the tendency to place the thumb on the blade. I suspect the thumb ring to be an adaptation of that style, especially since before that we see Meyer and Mair showing using sideswords without fingering the guard in the Italian way. So, thrusts from offline? Maybe.
While I would disagree with the use of narrow-broadswords (feels like the two descriptors would cancel out), I would agree that these are not rapiers (in the Italian or Spanish sense). Since we have riding-sword (and I know their meaning is more to ride out with the sword by your side), and as I suspect this is more for horseback use (as hinted by the forward weight distribution), we can use riding-rapier. Otherwise, this is just a pallash in function, in use during the Thirty Years' War in Germany (same function as a Venetian Schiavona; flexible long blade for cutting and a thumb-ring hilt). You chop and stab with it from atop a horse.
Those swords are absolutely perfect!
I believe it's a basket hilted broadsword. The weight of the sword ⚔️ alone makes it something else besides a rapier. Also the cut or cutting dynamics make the weapon feel more general purpose than one use type of weapon like a rapier. Much of the same in terms of debate what is a Sabre? It really just depends on feel and use. So that is my opinion.
I have not seen a single broad who has that sword
Besides plays, bear baiting and such, swordmanship contests and demonstrations were popular in Tutor England. just the thing to put on a good show? Its a bit too big to carry around, but if you have servant, why not have it.
what a beauty! very hard to put a classification on it, id have said a skinny longsword ( even though the handle is clearly meant for one handed use )
As a Spanish schools swordsman, I reject your separation of Rapier, Sidesword, and Broadsword.
Espada Ropera is any sword I wear while I'm not naked.
Si toda espada se vuelve una ropera cuando se usa ropa.
Cómo llamamos a una espada que se usa desnudo?
Encuerada?
AntiRopera?
@@VALDOVINOSAMEZCUAJOSEEDUARDO Creo que la respuesta evidente es Cojonera
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CONTRAROPERA
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CONTRAROPERA
Except for some discoloration on the blade, visible on closer shots, that blade almost looks like it is freshly forged. I don't think I want to know what it fetched at the auction! Looking at the hilt alone I was thinking rapier, then looking at the sword as a whole I was thinking more of a long/broad sword. Then you pointed out how the tip isn't particularly well suited for the thrust it tossed the rapier.
Would love a matt easton demo of HEMA techniques
>1580-1590
For reference, that sword is about as old as the song Greensleeves, and is 5-10 years older than the earliest surviving works of Shakespeare
I grew up reading that Broad-Swords were about 2 inches in width (well from 2" to 1 1/2 inches width) and that sword is about 1 inch in width. It's not a Broad-Sword. And with the various metal guard-loops around the hilt I'd would say it's a Rapier. I'd call it a Military Side-Rapier. Whoever owned it probably wanted a sword that they can both wear both in a civilian and field-military environments.
I would say that this is an early rapier. Or something shorter and wider would be a military rapier.
Whatever it is, it looks amazing. Would the sword still be functional if you gave it a hand and a half sized grip so it could be used in one or two hands?
I hope you are able to find one for yourself to show off more, because it has such a unique and mishmashed design.
"What is this?..You decide!"
Looks like a sword to me.
What a lovely Reitschwert, at least that what it looks to me and to be used from horse-back.
Great video, as always. What type of sword would George Silver have used? Thanks, keep up the great work!!!
This Haudegen is really one you should reproduce with Windlass. It's gorgeous.
First of all this is extremely beautiful piece of metal 😊
Its almost like marketed for ppl who love and are proficient with hewing swords backsword/broadswords etc. but want to have a fashionable Rapier hilt to go with their outfit :D
To me, this looks a lot like a more complicated version of the idea behind the Swedish M1685 military sword. Which in Swedish is named a "Värja" (a phrase generally used for a thrusting sword), but very obviously designed for the cut.
In the much younger book "der geöffnete Fechtboden" from 1706, a very similar sword is called Rapier. The only difference is, that the swords depicted are protected with a bell.
Hey there. German here. Actually, it is neither of the sword types you mention. It is clearly a "Haudegen" which is an own German sword type. Hope that helps you.
And chances are it‘s made for export so people can give it any random 19th century artificial name they want to or just call it sword, Schwert, Spada, whatever.
@@henninghesse9910 The word "Haudegen" for this kind of sword was used in Germany since the 17th century.
Unfortunately we don’t know if Rapier, Degen, Schwert was also used for the exact same thing. But please proof me wrong, I am curious about your sources.
Die Del Tin Replik Nr. 5166 (Rapier, Germany, early 16th century) sieht dem Teil sehr ähnlich.
Matt do you know anything about cutting with finger movement? its described in Waites Treatise.
I wonder if the long cross guards on these inhibit the wrist or movement etc etc
I swear I saw this sword just the other day...
*Checks TH-cam history*
Hmmmm...interesting, Arms & Armor has a reproduction of a sword that, at quick glance, appears somewhat similar to this, that they call the Cavalier Rapier (posted a couple of days ago).
The main differences are: the quillons are bent up/down, as opposed to left/right; there's no fuller as it has a diamond cross section; and the entire blade tapers from the guard to the point.
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That's a lovely blade. Is there perhaps a simple explanation: that this is a longsword retrofitted with a rapier hilt?
TBH, kinda curious if the first rings weren't for hand protection cus the first finger ring is pretty damn small, but extra leverage to handle longer and longer blades in one hand. I imagine without fingering the guard or thumbing it, the blade with be very hard to move around.
Thats a sword I believe
The only thing I see that is ‘rapier like’ is the length of the blade (which is why I was not particularly surprised when you mentioned the weight). Overall, I’d probably classify it as a long broadsword (cavalry broadsword, perhaps?)
With not much knowledge on blade type, It look like a type XIX blade. With the cutty feel you describe, it would fall into that modern broadsword category IMO.
I would classify it as a broadsword. How people get confused is they're combining different elements of different types of swords
I think it is a double-headed morning star with an underbarrel blunderbuss.
I wonder if it was custom-made for a particularly large and strong person, and that's the reason for the size and weight
I'm not nearly strong enough to comfortably or quickly manage a 1680g sword in one hand. The original owner must have been a beast or a fool (or both). Various historical treatises warn against & complain about excessively heavy weapons. That was one of Silver's problems with long rapiers.
Given it's length and cutting blade I think it is a reitschwert. Literally riding sword or translation would best be cavalry sword.
If I decide, then it is a rutabaga! A particularly nice one mind you.
It's a cut and thrust sword. Have you read "The Sea Hawk" by Sabatini? Circa 1930s.
I'm no expert, but as soon as I saw the thumbnail and the question, said to my self "1590's heavy military style rapier for fans of George Silver's "Cut & Thrust fencing doctrine".
This is the blade type that I would imagine Meyer and Mair called rapier, with a simpler guard.
How wide is that blade? Is there any catalog or detail info available for it?
Wow. Its incredible to think that sword was forged in the 1500s! Its in such good condition! How much would a sword like that go for at auction? Or more specifically, what would the bidding be likely to start at? Does anyone know, or have an idea?
I think I can say with 95% certainty that this is a sword.
As others have stated, the problem is that we insist on fixed clasifications, and 'if A=B, then A≠C'. It just doesn't work. That considered, and since it is linguistically correct, I opt to call it,.. a katana.
Nice one", But wiht that blade length, maybee a Tachi instead?
@FelixstoweFoamForge [serious] Well, you run into the same context dependent language issue then. Tachi originally also meant Á sword. If anything of a distinction could be made, then it would be on the position of the smith's signature on the tang and/or the mountings, both giving an indication of whether the sword was intended to be worn edge up or down. If these two criteria are conflicting (signature for edge down, mountings for edge up), convention would probably have it described as a "sword in uchigatana style mountings". In case of the opposite (signature for edge up, mountings for edge down), you got something weird; conversion from edge down to edge up was common, but the other way around not so much. In any case blade length says very little. It might be true for nambokucho tachi, but that's more of a general period trend. Tachi from other periods can be quite short, and definitely shorter than e.g. some bakumatsu swords in uchigatana style mountings. [/serious]
How would one go about finding a fencing replica for this type of sword?
6:49 What is that long pointy sword on your right next to the space?
Looks like a Polish koncerz
Could be an Estoc? But I‘m by no means an expert.
side sword with a complex hilt I guess.
As a spearman or axeman I'd call it a puny sword. But calling it anything other than a weapon is getting into territory for more learned men than I. And considering 3yrs ago I started watching you, and others here, to figure out how swords should be classified and named, for RPG reasons, and am now even more confused; I don't really think that I would be wrong!!
I think it's a sword.
And it's a beauty.
Looks like a complex hilted Meyer “rapier” to me.
I would call it a "Reitschwert".
What an awesome sword
We have owners of slow economy cars slapping on large wings, big wide wheels with large ultra-low profile tires, and racing stripes. Why can't someone with a mitary sword want a fancy hilt and guard?
Reminds me of LKChens Saxony Rapier.
For when you want the prestige of a rapier but are a brawler
Hey, Matt, I've seen reproduction and sparring cup hilt rapiers that don't have a knuckle bow, but I've never seen this in an original. Was this ever done historically back in the day?
Just to my own 'yes a beutiful sword' .
This is the sort of weapon I expect for a practitioner of Bolognese or Early LVD.
I imagine it will sell better if it is designated as a rapier.
I feel like this is the most German way possible to make a rapier
I would personally call it a long sword and not a broad sword or rapier and leave it at that. But that's just me.
Arms & Armor markets a broad-bladed sword they call a “Cavalier Rapier,” but that name actually seems more suited to what you’re showing us here: THAT’S what I’d call it.
If I had the money, I'd call it mine.
With great confidence, I can provide a definitive answer. It is a sword.
I am curious, what amount was on the price tag ?
It's a Sword 😇
A long sword probably, not broad, yes a duelist blade, but not a rapier.
Still looks like a beefy rapier to me 😂
“Johnathan?”
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I like it.
Who's right?
Who's wrong?
You decide!
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“A narrow broadsword” seems self contradictory
There is no contradiction at all. Whatever the range of width for "broadsword" is, there will be those that are at the narrow end of that range, which would be narrow broadswords.
this was probably used on horseback as well functioning like a Pallasch in later history
It's a broad rapier!
It's a broad rapier. A chad sword.
What do i think..... well, when you asked what sword would i pick if i was in the age of pirates, there it is mate! That's exactly what i would chose.
Spadroon?
I say it’s not wide enough to be a broad blade
Well if you buy it you can call it a long butter knife.
clearly thats a fancy butter knife.
It's a sword!