Yamaha HS8 HS7 HS5 monitor cabinet modification for better mid and low definition.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ม.ค. 2021
- Disclaimer: Doing this modification will likely void your warranty on your speakers and is done at your own risk. It is also possible to damage the wires or connecters if you are not careful.
The end result of this modification is a much more articulate mid range and low end.
It will slightly change the low frequency response curve of your monitor, so your ears will need to recalibrate to the different sound.
In my case I found the low-end extension to subjectively be slightly deeper, though less warm/woofy and the overall clarity in the low end to be significantly improved.
This is a short description of my process of modifying a Yamaha studio monitor by changing the acoustic damping material inside the speaker box.
The acoustic damping material was purchased from Amazon for a cost of about $30 Canadian and then a bottle of spray adhesive which is about $10 Canadian.
I chose material that was 0.4” thick and roughly 0.95 NRC rating. - เพลง
I tried this!!! Used the same panels from amazon and all. I am very surprised the difference it made, the mid range definitely feels a bit tighter. But also, the top-end is much less harsh on the ear and my mixes are translating a lot better in other systems. The stereo field also feels a bit wider.
Thank you for an awesome video!
Nice! I found similarly that my mixes translate better as well. Fewer revisions. Cheers
What is the name of the material on Amazon
a project for the future for me.
thanks for the simple and informative video.
im moving to a larger home soon and my hs7s are going in my living room so i may need to improve the bass a tad.
Funny, I just opened my HS5. I use them with ROON and EQ but I got some serious ground loop noise, so I lift the ground inside the HS5. Yes the damping is pretty sloppy in mine too. I want to upgrading the inside as much as I can too. Thanks for the tips!
No before after frequency curve calibration????
The purpose of this mod is to control the resonances within the cab, primarily in the midrange. It’s very similar to treating the acoustics of your mix room.
The louder you turn up the speakers, the more issues you’ll have with those resonances.
EQ flatness is typically measured at 1w 1m, which is not very loud and only about a sine wave sweep. It speaks nothing to the dynamic response of a speaker at each frequency, nor distortion from various factors including resonances.
For me, I can get used to an eq curve, but want it to be clear and distortion free. This mod really helps in that regard, especially in the midrange.
A before and after would be great!! As far as frequency response! Thanks thoufh
The purpose of this mod is to control the resonances within the cab, primarily in the midrange. It’s very similar to treating the acoustics of your mix room.
The louder you turn up the speakers, the more issues you’ll have with those resonances.
EQ flatness is typically measured at 1w 1m, which is not very loud and only about a sine wave sweep. It speaks nothing to the dynamic response of a speaker at each frequency, nor distortion from various factors including resonances.
For me, I can get used to an eq curve, but want it to be clear and distortion free. This mod really helps in that regard, especially in the midrange.
Wow this is Awesome thanks for sharing!!!
Dear Sir, can you please make a Follow Up Video about how the sound changed. Is it better or worse ? Or is it worth it or not? Please it will be a huge help and worth the knowledge. Love this video and your accurate cutting skills
Hey Soundfield Studio, it's 100% worth it. Makes a HUGE positive difference across the spectrum. Because there's less buildup and resonance in everything coming out of the woofer, not just the low end and mid range is better, but everything is more accurate and clearer. My mixes are going far faster and are translating much better - I can trust what's coming out. Tonally, they are different from stock subjectively speaking, but it won't take long to get used to and I'm not sure whether they're any less flat on a frequency sweep.
I did this mod for my good buddy on his HS8's and he has found exactly the same thing - so much clearer and accurate, both across the frequency spectrum and dynamically.
I'll see if I can borrow a set of stock HS7's to compare sometime.
Were you ever able to compare those stock hs7?
Nice tip, TY
Recommend the recycled denim stuff? I have a bunch and give it a try.
Any sound comparison “before” and “after” modification?
Not audio clips, no. One day I’ll try to get my hands on a stock pair to so a side by side.
The purpose of this mod is to control the resonances within the cab, primarily in the midrange. It’s very similar to treating the acoustics of your mix room.
The louder you turn up the speakers, the more issues you’ll have with those resonances.
EQ flatness is typically measured at 1w 1m, which is not very loud and only about a sine wave sweep. It speaks nothing to the dynamic response of a speaker at each frequency, nor distortion from various factors including resonances.
For me, I can get used to an eq curve, but want it to be clear and distortion free. This mod really helps in that regard, especially in the midrange.
Could you share the measures of HS5 that you cut your acoustic panels, please? Thanks!
That won’t help you much. Each panel needs to be cut by hand in order to accommodate bracing in the cabinet. It’s a bit of trial and error with each individual speaker.
I have HS8, will do the same thing, but sir, what is the name of the material you are using? How tick?
It’s a material that’s 1cm thick - basically compressed fabric. Lots of options on Amazon and they’re mostly the same product basically. Don’t get the foam stuff though.
There’s a link in one of the above comments with the exact stuff I used.
There not suppose to have "Better mid and low definition", there suppose to be flat.
The purpose of this mod is to control the resonances within the cab, primarily in the midrange. It’s very similar to treating the acoustics of your mix room.
The louder you turn up the speakers, the more issues you’ll have with those resonances.
EQ flatness is typically measured at 1w 1m, which is not very loud and only about a sine wave sweep. It speaks nothing to the dynamic response of a speaker at each frequency, nor distortion from various factors including resonances.
For me, I can get used to an eq curve, but want it to be clear and distortion free. This mod really helps in that regard, especially in the midrange.
Yewh and hs7s arent flat
what is the name - model- brand of the "acoustic damping material "?
Ditto
amazon link?
test sound?
Are 6 panels (12"x12") enough for a pair of HS8's? 'Rhino Acoustic Absorption Panel' from Amazon seem like a good pick but a bit expensive if ordering 12 panels.
I’d say you win either way: save the money OR use the extra panels to treat your mix space :-) Hunt around on Amazon too - pretty big range of prices on these compressed fabric panels and they’re all basically the same 1cm thick stuff. I don’t at all recommend the foam ones.
@@adamrobertthomas1007It's for my living room. 🙂 I already have all the walls covered in acoustic panels (regular 2", 4" rockwool and BCA absorbers) but perhaps i can find a use for the leftovers. ;-) I ordered replacement op amps for them (LME49860) and plan on disabling the limiter as well. Just trying to keep the budget reasonably or else i could just have bought better and more expensive speakers you know. 😀 They're great just need a little bit of spice.
@@ZombieAben ha ha I hear you!!
I don’t think I can upload a picture here. But I suspended some of the hexagon shaped panels like this as clouds above my mix desk. They work remarkably well to chill out the early reflections in my listening spot. Maybe you should make a listening hat out of the extras? 😂
@@adamrobertthomas1007 Haha good idea Adam perhaps i should. 😂😊 I used to have one years ago when i had my B&W home theater there but i downscaled it just became a bit to much. 😐 Now im more into music then movie watching, so having just the front stage covered suits me fine. 😇 Thanks for the help Adam. 🥸
@@adamrobertthomas1007 I only asked about the panel amount because you mention in earlier comments that you did this mod on a buddy of yours HS8's. Anyway it's 11 months ago now and you could have forgotten all about it. 🙂✌ Have a great weekend from Denmark. 👋
Stick lead sheet inside as lead carries no sound at any freq. I did this to mine.
can you give the link of the acoustic panel? I'd like to buy the exact material as yours, thank you!
Acoustic Panel, AGPtEK 12 Packs Acoustic Absorption Panels（Gray） 12 * 12 * 0.4 Inches Sound Insulation Panels Beveled Edge Tiles, High D www.amazon.ca/dp/B08K8T4GS3/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_caTzgK9liyseE
@@adamrobertthomas1007 Thank you, sir
What was the link? Great video. 👍🏾
Material name Please
This is a good update but I did that and it is okay but for me not big differences. What I did also was disabling the limiter on my hs8 and it turn my sound into more open and more dynamic sound!
Brilliant! Do you have an instruction link / video of that?
@@mickelachlan Hey Mate, I followed this other video. th-cam.com/video/Z53t2OFgO44/w-d-xo.html
Just to let you know. Only do It If you know how to proper soldier back! In my case I deleted all the exact same components on the video and It works for me. Also, this works only on the Yamahas hs 80 models, not the the hs 8.
@@YerayIbarria Thanks! :)
Sorry to bother you, but I’m very interested in disabling the limiter on my HS8’s. Do you know where the simple directions are to accomplish that?
@@bdunn315 hey man, what I did was is exactly what the guy on the video on the link above says, bit complicated if you don't know how to use a soldier, good luck man
are familiar with removing the built in limiter on the amp of these monitors? supposedly it really really opens them up
I just did mine this evening, would say it really does open them up, I a/b against a non modded and really liked the difference. Its definately worth doing if you have the skills to solder 5 tiny resistors off the pcb.
1. Unscrew 10 screws around the edges of first monitor
2. Detach speaker wires from the speakers, they have Left/right sized jumpers to help not mismatch connections which is nice. Unhook led.
3. Then its placing internal board somewhere solid to work with plenty light
4. Heat soldering iron up to temp and check your diagram and make sure which board you working on and which bits you going to be de-soldering.
5. You have to unscrew the board you going to be working on in order to get good angles to be accurate when you need to desolver, Easiest way is to seperate the board (which no video goes into detail to tell you, is 8 black screws in heatsinc in the back. (the black screws that screw into heat sinc). once you remove these the board can be maneuvered out to work on while still keeping wire harnesses etc attached.
5. Go precisely and touch each solder point until you can remove each tab. You unfortunately got to move quickly to get them off before the solder drys. I used small tweezers here in one hand to help remove components.
(R417 has two soldering points, the other four has three. The components are glued to the board so you have to wiggle a little with the soldering iron. The soldering iron has to have a narrow tip.)
6. One everything removed and you checked all the points where you did work, resemble unit and you should be able to test after against your non modded speaker. (put them both in mono and listen to the lows and mids and how punchy/more presence the speaker is with transients. What he already mentions in the video definately translated to me and what he described in the listening experience.
@@Jediroller I guess I'm not following you on what exactly to heat up with the soldering iron? you don't have pics of it by any chance? really interested in this. Also can you just snip them? I don't have a soldering iron.
@@Jediroller also would you mind elaborating a little bit on what exactly the difference you heard between the modded and unmodified speaker?
I'm assuming you have the HS80s? or the HS8?
@@Jediroller I have the older HS80m
@@levijessegonzalez3629 No the components you removing are so tiny they dont have leg ends to just snip out. You need to desolder each component. R417 has two soldering points, the other four has three. The components are glued to the board so you have to wiggle a little with the soldering iron. The soldering iron has to have a narrow tip.
Do you think there's room for a panel at the bottom of the cabinet? You didn't mention it. 🙂
Yup there is room for it. The only surface I didn’t put treatment on actually was the amp panel. I probably just didn’t get a good shot of the bottom.
@@adamrobertthomas1007 Good to know Adam. Thanks 👌👍 My best friend were supposed to have meet me this evening and finally help me do the bybass mod and opamp change (LME49860) but is still weak from the corona virus. So i started doing this mod to one of the speakers already disassembled. It took a bit of time getting the notches right for the braces since the hs8 is bigger and has more of these. 🙂 I used the first panel i made as a template. One side of the cabinet uses up almost one whole panel.. The height of the panel fits almost perfectly haha. 😄
@@ZombieAben I’m not the same as js sound channel, no
@@adamrobertthomas1007 Sorry deleted that last comment as I didn't want to pester you. 😋Now I know for certain, Thank you. 😊
A test before and after will be great.But i don't think will change much...almost nothing..in my opinion.
It's an astonishing difference, at least subjectively to my ears. I've been modding mics and audio gear for years casually and this is by far and away the most impactful mod I've ever done - conveniently also one of the cheapest and requires minimal skill. Definitely this mod is more noticeable and beneficial than any electronic changes I've ever done to anything. Most surprising and positive outcome is that my mixing speed, translation and consistency increased significantly after a brief period of getting used to the change.
Conveniently, if you are moderately gentle, hold on to the stock insulation when you remove it, and aren't too heavy handed with adhesive when you put in the new acoustic lining, the mod is reversible back to stock - but I suspect you won't wanna go back ; ) ha ha ha
The purpose of this mod is to control the resonances within the cab, primarily in the midrange. It’s very similar to treating the acoustics of your mix room.
The louder you turn up the speakers, the more issues you’ll have with those resonances.
EQ flatness is typically measured at 1w 1m, which is not very loud and only about a sine wave sweep. It speaks nothing to the dynamic response of a speaker at each frequency, nor distortion from various factors including resonances.
For me, I can get used to an eq curve, but want it to be clear and distortion free. This mod really helps in that regard, especially in the midrange.
Flat is flat so what you expect to get as output
The purpose of this mod is to control the resonances within the cab, primarily in the midrange. It’s very similar to treating the acoustics of your mix room.
The louder you turn up the speakers, the more issues you’ll have with those resonances.
EQ flatness is typically measured at 1w 1m, which is not very loud and only about a sine wave sweep. It speaks nothing to the dynamic response of a speaker at each frequency, nor distortion from various factors including resonances.
For me, I can get used to an eq curve, but want it to be clear and distortion free. This mod really helps in that regard, especially in the midrange.
@@adamrobertthomas1007 Yeah, you keep posting that. But why are you turning your REFERENCE MONITORS to levels that are causing that much distortion? Why are EQ curve changes acceptable for you with a.. REFERENCE MONITOR?? Buy different speakers people. Are you really claiming that these monitors, at normal operating sound levels, are noisy and full of distortion? Do you really not think that doing this mod effects the overall box frequency, the relation to every other frequency, and a hell of a lot more variables that are relative to each other? Some of which have been tested by engineers and purposely designed for the way the box is made. I highly, HIGHLY, doubt this mod is contributing to a better reference monitor than what was already engineered. It really just sounds like you have a colored sound you want and this isn't it. Buy different monitors/speakers.
@@bm3410 all I can say I suppose is as mentioned, my mixes translate better & I get them done faster. I suggest trying it for yourself.
People will be annoyed even more in the future than they are now but that lipsucking noise you periodically make. I would strongly advise you to get it under control - it can be difficult, but well worth it.
ha ha ha should have eaten a green apple before I recorded this
Not everyone will notice it, I surely didn’t
Dude Yamaha foesnt need modifications youre messing up the purpose of the speakers. Wow.... unbelievable