So let me come into your house and check if all is in order then. What silly reasoning. In that case the police could just search your phone, enter your house, etc becasue "Truth does not fear investigation"
@@ErykKrzeminski well questioning someone and accusing someone is different , he accused hikaru but he is questioning danya separate matters view separately
@@prashantthakur9329 Not really different than what he said about Hikaru. Vlad enjoys hiding under the cover of "investigating" or finding "interesting statistics" or a number of other things. What he's really doing is casting doubt upon the legitimacy of one of the top online blitz and bullet players for years. Is cheating a problem? Yes. Is accusing a bunch of obviously innocent players a solution? Absolutely not. On the contrary it makes kramnik and anti cheat seem like a joke which is not ideal at all
It's a big problem. As soon as you get above/near 2000 you feel it. I had an opponent rated 2100 up 5 points of material with 2 minutes left (3minute game) and I defended very well, but it felt OFF. So I was putting him in time trouble. Once he got near 1minute, he would totally miss ways to push his advantage. Eventually, I flagged him.... But it was so obviously anyone at that level up +5.0 wins wins that easily in 20-30 seconds against me. He couldn't even finish the game with 2minutes.
if he plays well its suspicious . if he plays badly its for drama. poor Danya cannot win and he is not allowed to move his eyes either. he must look straight ahead at all times!
Man it's just sad how the main stream chess content creators are framing kramnik as the villain, I too was brainwashed before this, because all you see is their side of the story and they have got a larger audience, but once I made an effort to come here and see for my self I gotta say the investigation is pretty convincing at the very least, all his suspicions are genuine, moreover he isn't even directly accusing anyone all he is asking for is an explanation, which I feel like should be a responsibly of the streamer to their audience And respect for kramnik who dispite of getting all the hate and backlash from the chess community plants himself like a tree and dosent back off A quality only seen in champions An absolute legend of the game
At this point im skeptical about all these top online players unless they have similar results OTB or play in online events that have procters in the room with them.
As an amateur i was always wondering at the 96 and 97 accuracy of these players in the blitz matches,which takes a lot of effort even by Magnus to achieve same in a classical game. I've also played games at 92+ accuracies but mose of them ended within 10-15 moves with the opponent blundering.Hikaru and Danya playing every game like a world championship match ..thats very weird. You're doing a great job and your videos mean a lot to me,it does acts as a source of entertainment as to how deep these people can go down the rabbit hole.
accuracy is a poor indicator of performance, especially in blitz. You can have very few inaccuracies in a low level game. If you make no advantage losing moves when your opponent hangs pieces then it's practically certain
@@VBKramnik No, but in Blitz, you can count on at least one eval. change of at least 2.00 on a move by move basis, as well as missed opportunities in even the highest level blitz games (admittedly far less than in my own games). To the computer, this is "hanging peaces". I'm sorry you felt the need to strawman my position, saying that accuracy is perhaps to be nuanced in its role of god-arbiter of chess performance, but hanging pieces every move is not required to weight the accuracy scale. Once or twice a game will do just fine. The point remains: that accuracy is a fine metric if your opponent makes 0 mistakes, which I'm sure you will agree is not a reasonable expectation for any human even on a good day, much less in blitz. Take care, I hope standing up for what you believe in is not taking a toll. To many I'm sure you appear somewhat quixotic in your approach, but I trust you will remain level headed as always.
Mr Kramnik thank for your videos. I like your idea to setup multiple cameras during the online game. I think the example should go from the top and so if you and other players will introduce this setup with multiple cameras during your play, then playing in this way in online tournaments will become soon standard for each player.
Забавно, модераторы Реддит, не только Яна Непомнящего считают не авторитетным и недостоверным источником, но и Владимира Крамника, типа он не является специалистом в области шахмат, по мнению модератора))))
Bc8 is really almost a dead giveaway. As long as I didnt miss anything he didnt even elaborate on why its interesting, right? He just puts it out there as if its the most natural move in this position. Very sus to say the least
Why would a streamer with a large, anonymous audience possibly suggest a blatantly bad move for their online opponent? It seems clear Danya was concerned he was playing a streamsniper during this game in review with Bc8 move mentioned. Had opponent pre moved Bc8, thus losing the exchange, I’m certain Danya would have reported that opponent for cheating. A behavior (suggesting a bad move for an opponent as a verbal trap on stream) he has exhibited before.
@@Dynamic_Pupil What do you mean? Bc8 was Daniels move, not his opponents. He spotted it as a move for himself, and it wasnt a bad move at all, it was the top engine line.
@@Dynamic_Pupil Would you care to elaborate? :D I dont get how u can leave a comment like that and not further explain what u mean. Because to me it sounds like u didnt even spend a full minute on researching this ^^
Naroditsky can accuse anyone of cheating - and he does so regularly on his streams. However, when someone starts questioning his own results, he clearly doesn’t like getting a taste of his own medicine.
Whom has he accused of cheating? Do you watch his streams? I do somewhat regularly and I haven't seen him accuse known players with no evidence. Only rarely anonymous untitled players and he doesn't accuse just says it's suspicious and he'd rather play someone else
"I wanted to trap his bishop, for that I must control the e5 square. How do I control the e5 square? I must retreat the bishop" - recent explanation of Bc8 move from Naroditsky (roughly) However, the move has been said to be interesting ~ 3 seconds after he said his guess is bishop can't be trapped
Online proctoring freezes your test if you dont make eye contact with the screen during exams. Also in personal interviews we ask the candidate to show all the surrounding before starting and also look for time delays, lip syncs, other odd behaviour like answering after delays in an almost book like manner etc.
I was very surprised about the reactions to WC Kramniks suggestions. Some people rejected them immediately. This bothered me because frankly if a total legend of the game makes suggestions how dare anyone reject them so quickly?! Danya was one of them. A nobody in real chess frankly. Why would he do that? Is it a defense mechanism?
Because he accuses almost everyone and shows a fundamental lack of statistical understanding? That being said Danya calling Bc8 "very interesting" is very suspiscious.
@@konstantinkaryaev5381his English is better than those whose mother tongue are English and frankly I'm jealous that I don't know Russian language,I'd be learning it when I get inside college.
I agree that suspicious activity should be investigated. To see so many people jump to conclusions on both sides is just sad. This to me is obviously not enough to convict someone of cheating, confusing how many people are jumping to thay conclusion. At the same time people who mindlessly disregard everything Kramnik says just because of his reputation I also dont understand.
Mr. Kramnik, I mean this with the most upmost respect. You are a world renowned and respected chess player. Your accusations are causing a lot of pain to players that do not cheat, even though the circumstances might look suspicious. You are still relevant.. stay relevant in a good way! We all have a lot to learn from you. This is not it.
I am sharing your videos on my twitter. This is very important and the more people try to hush you and claim you are "crazy" makes me more suspicious that you are correct. It is like they want to shut you down without hearing what you have to say but its time the cheaters get exposed and chess is cleaned up as much as it can be.
Bc8 no human thinks about such move doesnt matter stronger or weaker chess player and doesnt matter he has 1h to think or 1 minute .Its just ridiculous move from human perspective
even if you do consider it, why would you call it interesting? surely it's a wait, because white has no useful moves, you're going to play h6 next anyway if Ne2 and the lines are similar, or if white plays Bf4 then Nxf4 as in the game. I'm missing something, but it's not interesting, it's just 'my position is so good I don't need to rush, I can put the bishop safely back and still have h6'.
ask 100 chess players make a move in that position. If even 3 of them from 100 would make Bc8 i would be super suprised.If not h6 there is atleast other 5 more useful moves before even looking at Bc8. For me is clear he was seeing engine lines in that moment and said Bc8 its "interesting"
Владимир Борисович, спасибо за Ваш труд в очередной раз! Я немного расстроился, потому что у Даниэля хороший канал, как казалось мне, с которого я многому научился. Очень неприятны эти новости и даже мне, как любителю, здесь более чем очевидно все :( Очень плохо, что такие известные (минимум в Америке) игроки, дают такой пример любителям и профессионалам :(
Outstanding investigation. The video of Daniel looks very suspicious. Very thorough investigation indeed. At least, for this hard work, we want chess world cleaned up of cheaters.
Usually people have habits, how to act under such a level of focus and stress, but Daniel during presented games looking at different sides , but its difficult to change habits build by our brain. after years under stress conditions. Probably even if you try to behave different way it's really difficult to play.
I remember seeing him playing the US championship online during the pandemic lock down, a game against Christopher Yu. He was stress out, and not impressiv at all. He got outplayed badly in this game, showing a very poor level. You should take a look at those games.
Dear Vladimir: what you are doing is extremely important for chess integrity. Please don't stop. Please rest assured that, indeed, all your haters are failing to see how massive the threat of cheating is, and how much damage it has already done to our game. Love.
Sometimes Kramnik is crazy. But seems like a broken clock is right once in a while. Quite unfortunate that theres another big scandal in the chess world currently that overshadows this.
Don’t they have security system like most poker rooms have, the system that can see what is running on your computer and take screenshots to see what you’re doing?
@@Hecklerrthey don't. Online chess has some of the weakest anti-cheating controls in all of competitive online gaming. Most esports have much stricter anti-cheating measures.
Kramnik is 100% Right. I had the same thought. If they wanted to they could just install a camera behind each player that shows his hands and what he see. Minimal cost and time effort. But they don’t want so this is beyond fishy. Solve all the problems once and forever.
He has been already caught, so maybe it would be too late? If I remember right he won the Titled Tuesday recently so it might be interesting to observe it but I'm not sure.
Prime Kramnik was intense player. Kramnik knows about chess and AI a lot since he works with High Profile people who create AI. Ofcours he understand in details how Humans and AI thinks and the diferences . This pancer player is very weak GM and what i have seen of him very selfish and egoistic personality. As for Hikaru the same goes for him, he just knows Chess a lot more than this kid but Hikaru compare to Prime Kramnik is nothing. Kramnik has dared to unmask the chesscom and show to the public the money machine sceme these people are doing using chess name(game) .
That ''Bc8 is interesting" really shocked me. In all honesty, I doubt any GM or relatively strong player can explain the idea that hides behind that move.
Actually, after all the cheating in OTB now, i'm starting to believe Kramnik, maybe you are right after all, interesting... KEEP TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE CAUSE SLOWLY EVERYTHING IS MAKING SENSE....
Online chess is full of cheaters on every level, 900 rated players, 1500 rated players, 2500 rated players…every rated level of players there are cheaters.
Agree. Why does he always looking to other places during a very important and tough game in a very complicated position. Definitely very suspicious. What is the point of Bc8? Doesn't make sense...why is this interesting if for a human that makes zero sense.
Its hilarious I was playing very fair they close my account for stalling ! :D thats so funny. I was backing up kramick a lot on the furum I am sure its one of the reason!
Couldn't agree more with ur final statement about victimhood. The problem is, playing the victim was never more efficient and popular. That's why we have such political division in the world. Everyone pretends to be the victim instead of showing ANY accountability
Quite obvious cheating. He even does so in his training/opening theme live videos (e.g. Jobava). Always looking up above main screen, then fakes with concentration face after.
this is the worst argument and the only one used. can a player not look away to think? hikaru always looks at the ceiling are you guys gonna dogpile him next? bros comparing anish and himself like everyone is the same person
Hi Vladimir, could you comment on the recent situation with Shevchenko? From what I heard, you had questions about him some time ago, and it turns out that you were correct.
Не удивлюсь, если окажется, что в топах больше 50% игроков окажутся в итоге читерами. Если большая доля олимпийских спортсменов готова вкалывать в себя химию, то для того чтобы подсмотреть варианты движка даже кожу себе прокалывать не нужно. Шахматы, покойтесь с миром.
Alternative Explanation: The only way to win that position is to get your pawns rolling. Bc8 prepares h6, g5, so your Bishop on e5 is defended. The plan is obviously bad because you give up control of d6 after the Bishop exchange (white can plop a rook on d6 and annoy). But you wait out for white's move, goading them into a blunder. PS: I can totally see Danya finding it because he likes to play these tricky AF moves, and Big Vlad, with all due respect, your chess style went obsolete 10 years ago
there's also the plan to go h6 Bf4 g5, and then Nf6 back - with the point of going Ne8 after Bxe5 Rxe5. i am not even using an engine, and i would perhaps even see this in a blitz game. this feels like your sensationalizing triviality
"Big Vlad, with all due respect, your chess style went obsolete 10 years ago" But only 3 years ago, Kramnik was still ranked #7 in the world at blitz by FIDE. Kramnik retired from classical but never stopped playing blitz. A recent Top 10 in the world ranking is hardly "obsolete" and Danya never came close to top 10 OTB in his entire life at any time control. Online, though, Danya has been ranked #1 on lichess. Interesting.
To prove Kramnik wrong could be very easy for Daniel. As GM Martinez Alcantara did during some time, he should play with three cameras from different angles recording him as he competes in online tournaments such Title Tuesday. That was clear for me on confirming Kramnik was wrong. I think the two matches they played also demonstrated he is not cheating at all. The arguments Kramnik provides in these videos about Daniel, are, at least, quite convincing. Something is weird in his behavior. I don’t like also the way he is farming ELO against weak players (1st video of the series). At least it looks unethical to me.
@@IQvillagerwhat do you mean whites pawn will always be on e3, even after h6 Bf4 Nxf4 there is always gxf4, not exf4. So what do you mean clear the e file to push e3?
Naroditsky always looking somewhere else than the board and thinking about unnatural moves. Unfortunately his zealots will always defend him without critical thinking. Regardless, very thorough investigation as always.
I would never use a parallel running app on the same pc. For cheating I would definitely use another pc with another screen in the backround. That is not to difficult to arrange at all.
Thank you. Also u can review that Spain incident. I know it doesn't require your expertise and anyone can make a video about it, but to grow your channe such simple videos may be useful
do you expect him to answer this questions 2 years later :D ? why was a move you played online 2 years ago interesting in your mind... i mean even if he remembers 90 % of the games he played this is kinda awkward to ask ?
Yo, your course got me to 2000 on rapid. Hope to keep going up. Everyone who hates you with absolutely no evidence or reasoning is a 5’6 800 rated player who watches gothamchess and looks like a nerd emoji, dont listen to them.
Mmmmh i have so mixed emotions and i remember also when Danya defended Hans saying he didnt find anything shocking in the sinquefield game ...after this vid im getting very suspicious of danya thought he was an honest dude but..maybe not....?its not at all my type but im starting thinking it can be so easy to fall on the temptation of cheating if youre a secret narcissist/egocenter and already good at chess
Надеюсь Даня перевернет историю и включится в нормальный взрослый диалог. Очень хочу чтобы Даня доказал все моменты и мы были сто процентов уверены в его честности так как он является одним из любимых контент мейкеров по шахматам. Благодаря его обучающим роликам я спрогрессировал очень быстро и сильно. В своих обучалках на уровне 1800 и выше он очень хорошо и подробно объяснял всю логику своей игры. Короче, я фан Дани, но вопросы Владимира Борисовича адекватны, уместны. Не вижу ничего обидного в них.
Danya played more than 3000 online games with Magnus, with very decent results. Would Magnus keep playing with a cheater game after game for many years?
@@ivantolkachev4808 simple solution to this is, Danya accept Kramnik's offer of 50k and play in controlled test conditions. I lost respect for Danya when he didn't respond to that offer. Kramnik even suggest no money but a game challenge. Danya is highly suspicious. Sorry that is what I see from the videos and his lack of acceptance. If Danya has integrity, then play OTB and produce same results against strong opposition. Chesscom is an American monopoly and it wants its to be shielded and promoted. End of story.
@@ivantolkachev4808then you go ahead and do that. Nobody is stopping you. I've seen a lot of chess streamers, and most of them have normal eye movements and body language and online performance matching OTB performance, but a small but significant percentage have suspicious eye movements and body language AND amazing overperformance results online.
Looking away from the screen during the game so many times is more than suspicious. It's clear evidence that the guy is doing something he shouldn't be doing.
@@doji-san looking at chat while playing games is just admitting to cheating, you're not supposed to even look at chats while playing, anyone can suggest computer lines or moves Check some hikaru streams whenever he is playing he turns on "emotes only mode" so people can only spam emotes after the game ends he resumes chat. On top of that danya is just looking at the opposite direction of where his chat monitor is
Mr. Kramnik, do you not see the effect you're having on these chess players you're investigating and insinuating may be cheating? Probably all of them idolize you and consider you to be amongst the best chess players of all time, and then you come out and say they may not be as good as they appear, they may be cheating. Could you imagine when you were a young man a top chess player you held in high esteem came out and did the same thing to you? Insinuated you weren't as good as you appeared and may be cheating. How do you think that would make you feel? All these concerns you have are reasonable, but having a public witch hunt is not the right way to handle it. Please reconsider what you're doing.
Доброго времени суток, Володь. Зачекал на себе как я осмысляю сложные позиции и посмотрел Яна и Хикару в этом ключе, все примерно одинаково. На сложной позиции ты отводишь голову от доски (экрана) и пытаешься решить эту задач. Это не полсантиметра вверх взгляд каждые пять секунд. Хз, что происходит. Владимир Борисыч, что-то вас хейтят постоянно, этот чезкомовец соринку нашел в интервью у Левитова про увольнения читерского отдела, а бревна не видет. Володь, если даже Левитов не понимает зачем вы все это делаете (судя из интервью).О чем мы можем тут вообще говорить?
Я не могу понять одного,почему он очень сильный только в интернете,где реальные турниры,он же молод и почему на него многие молятся?Накамура всем всё доказал в реале,а это вообще кто?и почему он так сильно играет в интернете?По ходу вопрос без ответа или потому что читер.
@@СерёгаКадинов ни о какой постоянки 3200 и речи нету , тебе показывают партии , которые хотят показать . ты скорее даже не смотрел титульные вторники у Матвея . А то , что он чемпион России по блицу - факт
@@denten1412 В смысле?У него 3200 на чес ком и третье место после Накамуры и Карлсена,какие мне партии показывают?О чём речь?Я вижу,он постоянно или выигрывает призовые турниры или в топ3-5,не суть,вот это я вижу и мне непонятен уровень данного спортсмена,который в молодом возрасте променял титулы реальные на виртуальные.Я понял бы,если бы он играл средне,ничего не видать,типо умалешённого Сычёва,но он же громит всех в интернете,почему бы это не делать в реале???Я лишь это хочу понять.)))Как пример ,Ниманн -красавчик,стал показывать результат в инете,перебрался в реал и доказывает всем своей игрой какую-никакаю силу,я об этом короче.
@@СерёгаКадинов ты же совсем в вопросе не разобрался. Рейтинг у него 2900-3000 в блиц , есть достаточно игроков с 3000+ эло . в титульнике он ни разу не выигрывал , рекорд его это топ 7 если не ошибаюсь. просто стрим его ради интереса посмотри ( по вторникам)
"Glance , glance, where? why? Glance Glance, again and again and again, where? where are you looking" ... on his monitor ofcourse. Have you never been close to a 32" monitor ever in your life? He may as well be skipping through his playlist. There is absolutely no reason a GM shouldnt play best move in the position because he is afraid 3 years after some out of touch boomers are going to get mad. You are in every way accusing him of cheating and to conclude with "Im not accusing" is such bullshit.
I dont believe that any of the commentors in this channel are humans, either brainwashed or kramnik is using bots
That's so funny from a guy with an anime profile picture😂😂😂
Truth does not fear investigation.
So let me come into your house and check if all is in order then. What silly reasoning. In that case the police could just search your phone, enter your house, etc becasue "Truth does not fear investigation"
@@gilgamesh8334 How's your eighth booster going?
Mabey big Vlad is right after all😮
He's always been right. Truth-tellers have been persecuted throughout history.
That bc8 being the second engine move is really sus. I am slowly coming around to Kramnik's view. Esp after Shevchenko.
Bc8 or Bf8 is actually so often such a good move in chess, but his body language is really amazing;).
If you accuse everyone you're bound to be right sometimes, yes
@@ErykKrzeminskiYT keeps deleting my replies.
@@ErykKrzeminski well questioning someone and accusing someone is different , he accused hikaru but he is questioning danya separate matters view separately
@@prashantthakur9329 Not really different than what he said about Hikaru. Vlad enjoys hiding under the cover of "investigating" or finding "interesting statistics" or a number of other things. What he's really doing is casting doubt upon the legitimacy of one of the top online blitz and bullet players for years. Is cheating a problem? Yes. Is accusing a bunch of obviously innocent players a solution? Absolutely not. On the contrary it makes kramnik and anti cheat seem like a joke which is not ideal at all
It's a big problem. As soon as you get above/near 2000 you feel it. I had an opponent rated 2100 up 5 points of material with 2 minutes left (3minute game) and I defended very well, but it felt OFF. So I was putting him in time trouble. Once he got near 1minute, he would totally miss ways to push his advantage. Eventually, I flagged him.... But it was so obviously anyone at that level up +5.0 wins wins that easily in 20-30 seconds against me. He couldn't even finish the game with 2minutes.
if he plays well its suspicious . if he plays badly its for drama. poor Danya cannot win and he is not allowed to move his eyes either. he must look straight ahead at all times!
Man it's just sad how the main stream chess content creators are framing kramnik as the villain, I too was brainwashed before this, because all you see is their side of the story and they have got a larger audience, but once I made an effort to come here and see for my self I gotta say the investigation is pretty convincing at the very least, all his suspicions are genuine, moreover he isn't even directly accusing anyone all he is asking for is an explanation, which I feel like should be a responsibly of the streamer to their audience
And respect for kramnik who dispite of getting all the hate and backlash from the chess community plants himself like a tree and dosent back off
A quality only seen in champions
An absolute legend of the game
At this point im skeptical about all these top online players unless they have similar results OTB or play in online events that have procters in the room with them.
I completely agree with big Vlad. Sorry for doubting you in the very beginning when you started raising questions against cheating in chess.
As an amateur i was always wondering at the 96 and 97 accuracy of these players in the blitz matches,which takes a lot of effort even by Magnus to achieve same in a classical game. I've also played games at 92+ accuracies but mose of them ended within 10-15 moves with the opponent blundering.Hikaru and Danya playing every game like a world championship match ..thats very weird. You're doing a great job and your videos mean a lot to me,it does acts as a source of entertainment as to how deep these people can go down the rabbit hole.
accuracy is a poor indicator of performance, especially in blitz. You can have very few inaccuracies in a low level game. If you make no advantage losing moves when your opponent hangs pieces then it's practically certain
@@Jamaramlolz on top level people do not hang peaces on every move, to your knowledge 😊
@@VBKramnik No, but in Blitz, you can count on at least one eval. change of at least 2.00 on a move by move basis, as well as missed opportunities in even the highest level blitz games (admittedly far less than in my own games). To the computer, this is "hanging peaces".
I'm sorry you felt the need to strawman my position, saying that accuracy is perhaps to be nuanced in its role of god-arbiter of chess performance, but hanging pieces every move is not required to weight the accuracy scale. Once or twice a game will do just fine. The point remains: that accuracy is a fine metric if your opponent makes 0 mistakes, which I'm sure you will agree is not a reasonable expectation for any human even on a good day, much less in blitz.
Take care, I hope standing up for what you believe in is not taking a toll. To many I'm sure you appear somewhat quixotic in your approach, but I trust you will remain level headed as always.
@@Jamaramlolz You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
@@sleepyjoe9267 okay paranoid imbecile
Mr Kramnik thank for your videos. I like your idea to setup multiple cameras during the online game. I think the example should go from the top and so if you and other players will introduce this setup with multiple cameras during your play, then playing in this way in online tournaments will become soon standard for each player.
Vlad is helping clean up the game. You better believe well known chess players will think twice about cheating after these investigations.
Next time with coffee pls for the memes. Kramnik with a cup of coffee is my new conan the detective. :)
Забавно, модераторы Реддит, не только Яна Непомнящего считают не авторитетным и недостоверным источником, но и Владимира Крамника, типа он не является специалистом в области шахмат, по мнению модератора))))
Bc8 is really almost a dead giveaway. As long as I didnt miss anything he didnt even elaborate on why its interesting, right? He just puts it out there as if its the most natural move in this position. Very sus to say the least
Why would a streamer with a large, anonymous audience possibly suggest a blatantly bad move for their online opponent? It seems clear Danya was concerned he was playing a streamsniper during this game in review with Bc8 move mentioned. Had opponent pre moved Bc8, thus losing the exchange, I’m certain Danya would have reported that opponent for cheating. A behavior (suggesting a bad move for an opponent as a verbal trap on stream) he has exhibited before.
@@Dynamic_Pupil What do you mean? Bc8 was Daniels move, not his opponents. He spotted it as a move for himself, and it wasnt a bad move at all, it was the top engine line.
@@Dynamic_Pupil Thats some bullshit, man. It was a top engine move. His opponent could do nothing with Bc8 also.
@@Dynamic_Pupil Would you care to elaborate? :D I dont get how u can leave a comment like that and not further explain what u mean. Because to me it sounds like u didnt even spend a full minute on researching this ^^
Why is it a dead giveaway? You know how insane that statement is?
If you watch magnus playing online he always glances also to the left and right constantly. Is he cheating?
I like kramink and his videos
I want to play kramink a rapid game
I am 1800
"I'm not accusing" - so what are you doing exactly Vladimir if not that?
Asking legitimate questions and promoting free discussion (so the opposite of what you're doing).
that's normal think to say after Nieman's lawsuit, now you always must add "allegedly" and "im not accusing anyone"
Naroditsky can accuse anyone of cheating - and he does so regularly on his streams. However, when someone starts questioning his own results, he clearly doesn’t like getting a taste of his own medicine.
and the only reason he knows they're cheating is because he's literally looking at the engine xD
Whom has he accused of cheating? Do you watch his streams? I do somewhat regularly and I haven't seen him accuse known players with no evidence. Only rarely anonymous untitled players and he doesn't accuse just says it's suspicious and he'd rather play someone else
You clearly don't know Danya. Stupid
@@ivantolkachev4808you mustn't watch him... he has lots of videos titled "playing a cheater"
@@juliusjackson9198 th-cam.com/video/Ust1WJO7KQ0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=65AqDC0V9IJ_jjX4
Danya is a miserable cheater.
По вопросу почему Даня смотрит вверх и делает сверхчеловеческие ходы, это уже известно - у него там икона Святой Богородицы, она ему шепчет.
вот это ты конечно ультанул
"I wanted to trap his bishop, for that I must control the e5 square. How do I control the e5 square? I must retreat the bishop" - recent explanation of Bc8 move from Naroditsky (roughly) However, the move has been said to be interesting ~ 3 seconds after he said his guess is bishop can't be trapped
Online proctoring freezes your test if you dont make eye contact with the screen during exams. Also in personal interviews we ask the candidate to show all the surrounding before starting and also look for time delays, lip syncs, other odd behaviour like answering after delays in an almost book like manner etc.
Obvious cheating.
I was very surprised about the reactions to WC Kramniks suggestions. Some people rejected them immediately. This bothered me because frankly if a total legend of the game makes suggestions how dare anyone reject them so quickly?! Danya was one of them. A nobody in real chess frankly. Why would he do that? Is it a defense mechanism?
Because he accuses almost everyone and shows a fundamental lack of statistical understanding? That being said Danya calling Bc8 "very interesting" is very suspiscious.
pls expose this fool levy rosemann too, i think his rating is fake
He has the Nakamura talent of immediately knowing if he is better or worse
Oh, what a rabbit hole...)
@@h.c.2108 you mean skill?
kramnik do kramnik things. i love it
Kramnik once again provong with 0 effort he's the goat of chess
Kramnik does Kramnik things Kramnik way, and that is brilliant and stylish (despite his awful English skills)!
@@konstantinkaryaev5381his English is better than those whose mother tongue are English and frankly I'm jealous that I don't know Russian language,I'd be learning it when I get inside college.
I agree that suspicious activity should be investigated. To see so many people jump to conclusions on both sides is just sad. This to me is obviously not enough to convict someone of cheating, confusing how many people are jumping to thay conclusion. At the same time people who mindlessly disregard everything Kramnik says just because of his reputation I also dont understand.
Mr. Kramnik, I mean this with the most upmost respect. You are a world renowned and respected chess player.
Your accusations are causing a lot of pain to players that do not cheat, even though the circumstances might look suspicious. You are still relevant.. stay relevant in a good way! We all have a lot to learn from you. This is not it.
What about many more players pain and being robbed by those whose feeling are precious to you?
I am sharing your videos on my twitter. This is very important and the more people try to hush you and claim you are "crazy" makes me more suspicious that you are correct. It is like they want to shut you down without hearing what you have to say but its time the cheaters get exposed and chess is cleaned up as much as it can be.
Dear Vlad, It seems that the online chess is dead. should the online money event be totally stopped? Please share your opinion.
Mr kramnik is like a German Shepard, he sniffs out every detail
but in the end has the intellectual capacity of a dog
Thank you for saving the chess community from abuse!
Bc8 no human thinks about such move doesnt matter stronger or weaker chess player and doesnt matter he has 1h to think or 1 minute .Its just ridiculous move from human perspective
even if you do consider it, why would you call it interesting? surely it's a wait, because white has no useful moves, you're going to play h6 next anyway if Ne2 and the lines are similar, or if white plays Bf4 then Nxf4 as in the game. I'm missing something, but it's not interesting, it's just 'my position is so good I don't need to rush, I can put the bishop safely back and still have h6'.
ask 100 chess players make a move in that position. If even 3 of them from 100 would make Bc8 i would be super suprised.If not h6 there is atleast other 5 more useful moves before even looking at Bc8. For me is clear he was seeing engine lines in that moment and said Bc8 its "interesting"
Very idiotic explanation... no real chess player will buy that especially in just few seconds thought...
@@sportvideofootage Ask 100 players rated under 800 and i bet many of them will say Bc8 :)
@@doji-san Nope.
Владимир Борисович, спасибо за Ваш труд в очередной раз! Я немного расстроился, потому что у Даниэля хороший канал, как казалось мне, с которого я многому научился. Очень неприятны эти новости и даже мне, как любителю, здесь более чем очевидно все :( Очень плохо, что такие известные (минимум в Америке) игроки, дают такой пример любителям и профессионалам :(
No doubt here, next!
Does anyone else think that vlad is unintenionally hilarious? "my opinions are based" is definitely the line of the video.
Outstanding investigation. The video of Daniel looks very suspicious. Very thorough investigation indeed. At least, for this hard work, we want chess world cleaned up of cheaters.
Usually people have habits, how to act under such a level of focus and stress, but Daniel during presented games looking at different sides , but its difficult to change habits build by our brain. after years under stress conditions. Probably even if you try to behave different way it's really difficult to play.
I remember seeing him playing the US championship online during the pandemic lock down, a game against Christopher Yu. He was stress out, and not impressiv at all. He got outplayed badly in this game, showing a very poor level. You should take a look at those games.
god forbid someone has a bad day/game
Dear Vladimir: what you are doing is extremely important for chess integrity. Please don't stop. Please rest assured that, indeed, all your haters are failing to see how massive the threat of cheating is, and how much damage it has already done to our game.
Love.
great, just encourage the ridiculous stuff Kramnik pushes these days
@@sliceserve234 Catching thieves red-handed is ridiculous? Are you one of them?
@@stanshchepotiev3046 stupid troll
Sometimes Kramnik is crazy. But seems like a broken clock is right once in a while.
Quite unfortunate that theres another big scandal in the chess world currently that overshadows this.
He is playing 3+0, he has 1 min and you expect him to explain variations?? You are biased
Danya is the only guy who adopted Magnus in bullet, a format in Which cheating is impossible. I doubt he cheates. He's an instinctive bullet player.
th-cam.com/video/_Jg47Gt5CsE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=S0B9N_f3Zx_ov7H9
Don’t they have security system like most poker rooms have, the system that can see what is running on your computer and take screenshots to see what you’re doing?
@@Hecklerrthey don't. Online chess has some of the weakest anti-cheating controls in all of competitive online gaming. Most esports have much stricter anti-cheating measures.
@@Hecklerr continue to think like that if you prefer 😊
@@VBKramnik it’s very risky to use plug-ins, you get caught, it’s over for you, I’d prefer other ways to cheat=)
Kramnik is 100% Right. I had the same thought. If they wanted to they could just install a camera behind each player that shows his hands and what he see. Minimal cost and time effort. But they don’t want so this is beyond fishy. Solve all the problems once and forever.
if you have a cam behind the player you will not see what is overed by his body meaning what lies in front of the keyboard right in front of him.
@@mariotschl wow I feel Kramnik now when he has to deal with this kind of nonsense. Ridiculous
@@mariotschlwatch hikaru doing it , and begging everyone to play like that in TT
Wow incredible that h6 and Bc8 are both equally strong according to Leela
Please make a video on Kiril Shevchenko cheating in the 2024 spain chess tournament , phone hidden in the toilet
He has been already caught, so maybe it would be too late? If I remember right he won the Titled Tuesday recently so it might be interesting to observe it but I'm not sure.
@@happyrabbit7944 It certainly is late but it would be insightful and interesting to see Kramnik's analysis on his games
@@simpboigaming that's true for sure, absolutely agree
Chakra Test LMAO
Russian dry humour is so funny 😂. I wonder how russian standup comedy scene is like .can someone tell ?
Prime Kramnik was intense player. Kramnik knows about chess and AI a lot since he works with High Profile people who create AI. Ofcours he understand in details how Humans and AI thinks and the diferences . This pancer player is very weak GM and what i have seen of him very selfish and egoistic personality. As for Hikaru the same goes for him, he just knows Chess a lot more than this kid but Hikaru compare to Prime Kramnik is nothing. Kramnik has dared to unmask the chesscom and show to the public the money machine sceme these people are doing using chess name(game) .
"Let's stop being a victim, stop playing a victim" and "Ok, 2nd line - starting the procedure and blocking like everyone on Twitter lol
That ''Bc8 is interesting" really shocked me. In all honesty, I doubt any GM or relatively strong player can explain the idea that hides behind that move.
Hi do you have a timestamp for this move?
It's an engine waiting move. There's no human plan there. No human sees that in a few seconds anyway.
@@ethan4253 the whole thing starts around 25:00
@@ethan4253after 28:00 in.
Maybe to protect the pawn if the rook comes down.
Мне нравится интро студии Владимир Крамник представляет на первой секунде роликов. Чувствую стиль автора
и 32:18
Движок Личесса показывает Cс8 первой линией, притом на небольшой глубине. Компьютеры что-то знают, видимо, в отличие от нас
My instinct agrees with Kramnik, but unfortunately PROOF is very hard to come by.
Actually, after all the cheating in OTB now, i'm starting to believe Kramnik, maybe you are right after all, interesting... KEEP TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE CAUSE SLOWLY EVERYTHING IS MAKING SENSE....
Online chess is full of cheaters on every level, 900 rated players, 1500 rated players, 2500 rated players…every rated level of players there are cheaters.
@@barunhalder1231 so? pointless and shallow comment. DO BETTER.
Agree. Why does he always looking to other places during a very important and tough game in a very complicated position. Definitely very suspicious. What is the point of Bc8? Doesn't make sense...why is this interesting if for a human that makes zero sense.
I cheated against the title players I can show you the games my account has not been banned
Its hilarious I was playing very fair they close my account for stalling ! :D thats so funny. I was backing up kramick a lot on the furum I am sure its one of the reason!
Новая трилогия от легендарного режиссёра!
From believing Kramnik is just an old dude mad at young player to now actually believing kramnik got decent points! Keep the good work up Kramnik!
it is grossly dishonest to say "clearly engine is here" and also say "I am not accusing". . . just own what you are doing sir
Couldn't agree more with ur final statement about victimhood. The problem is, playing the victim was never more efficient and popular. That's why we have such political division in the world. Everyone pretends to be the victim instead of showing ANY accountability
Do you think that a some sort of help has affected the finals of speed chess championship too, favoring nakamura /carlse against you know who?
🤷♂️
Quite obvious cheating. He even does so in his training/opening theme live videos (e.g. Jobava). Always looking up above main screen, then fakes with concentration face after.
you people are braindead
this is the worst argument and the only one used. can a player not look away to think? hikaru always looks at the ceiling are you guys gonna dogpile him next? bros comparing anish and himself like everyone is the same person
Судя по загрузкам Крамника, Гальченко приготовиться!
К чему приготовиться? Этого читерка ВБ уж полгода как разоблачил
@@TopUser2022 Нюанс, что на днях читерок Гальченко выиграл офлайн чемпионат России по блицу, в котором играли Матлаков, Лазавик, Паравян и тд.
@@dirtydonkeymode
Да, так спалиться надо постараться 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@TopUser2022 С чем спалиться?
@@dirtydonkeymode
В одном турнире сливать второразрядникам и набирать перф 2000, а потом выигрывать ЧМ России по блицу, вынося гроссов 😂😂😂
Great job Vladimir online chess is a cesspit for cheating unfortunately
Hi Vladimir, could you comment on the recent situation with Shevchenko? From what I heard, you had questions about him some time ago, and it turns out that you were correct.
Vlad I love you ❤. I drew against you once in a simul without cheating, believe me!
I do 🙂
Не удивлюсь, если окажется, что в топах больше 50% игроков окажутся в итоге читерами.
Если большая доля олимпийских спортсменов готова вкалывать в себя химию, то для того чтобы подсмотреть варианты движка даже кожу себе прокалывать не нужно.
Шахматы, покойтесь с миром.
even headphones....
Alternative Explanation: The only way to win that position is to get your pawns rolling. Bc8 prepares h6, g5, so your Bishop on e5 is defended. The plan is obviously bad because you give up control of d6 after the Bishop exchange (white can plop a rook on d6 and annoy). But you wait out for white's move, goading them into a blunder.
PS: I can totally see Danya finding it because he likes to play these tricky AF moves, and Big Vlad, with all due respect, your chess style went obsolete 10 years ago
there's also the plan to go h6 Bf4 g5, and then Nf6 back - with the point of going Ne8 after Bxe5 Rxe5. i am not even using an engine, and i would perhaps even see this in a blitz game. this feels like your sensationalizing triviality
this is nonsense. Ne8 fails to Rd8, but you get my point!
"Big Vlad, with all due respect, your chess style went obsolete 10 years ago"
But only 3 years ago, Kramnik was still ranked #7 in the world at blitz by FIDE. Kramnik retired from classical but never stopped playing blitz.
A recent Top 10 in the world ranking is hardly "obsolete" and Danya never came close to top 10 OTB in his entire life at any time control. Online, though, Danya has been ranked #1 on lichess. Interesting.
To prove Kramnik wrong could be very easy for Daniel. As GM Martinez Alcantara did during some time, he should play with three cameras from different angles recording him as he competes in online tournaments such Title Tuesday. That was clear for me on confirming Kramnik was wrong. I think the two matches they played also demonstrated he is not cheating at all.
The arguments Kramnik provides in these videos about Daniel, are, at least, quite convincing. Something is weird in his behavior. I don’t like also the way he is farming ELO against weak players (1st video of the series). At least it looks unethical to me.
What the hell is bishop c8 hahah
@@IQvillagerwhat do you mean whites pawn will always be on e3, even after h6 Bf4 Nxf4 there is always gxf4, not exf4. So what do you mean clear the e file to push e3?
Naroditsky always looking somewhere else than the board and thinking about unnatural moves. Unfortunately his zealots will always defend him without critical thinking. Regardless, very thorough investigation as always.
I've been very skeptical about some of Kramnik's accusations in the past, but I have to say this is extremely suspicious...
I would never use a parallel running app on the same pc. For cheating I would definitely use another pc with another screen in the backround. That is not to difficult to arrange at all.
Danya also has this tick of always looking away irl, idk if that needs to be taken in account
Thank you. Also u can review that Spain incident. I know it doesn't require your expertise and anyone can make a video about it, but to grow your channe such simple videos may be useful
do you expect him to answer this questions 2 years later :D ? why was a move you played online 2 years ago interesting in your mind... i mean even if he remembers 90 % of the games he played this is kinda awkward to ask ?
Because it's a obvious computer move.
Yo, your course got me to 2000 on rapid. Hope to keep going up. Everyone who hates you with absolutely no evidence or reasoning is a 5’6 800 rated player who watches gothamchess and looks like a nerd emoji, dont listen to them.
heheheheheh good one
Wow. I thought you have gone crazy like Bobby Fischer. But after seeing this it changed my perspective
did we move on from jose since you couldnt prove it whos next on your hate list?
Владимир Борисович, так держать, с интересом слежу за вашими видео. Так их, этих "interesting" онлайн-игроков.
bc8 he noticed in the engine but decided not to play. CHEATER
Mmmmh i have so mixed emotions and i remember also when Danya defended Hans saying he didnt find anything shocking in the sinquefield game ...after this vid im getting very suspicious of danya thought he was an honest dude but..maybe not....?its not at all my type but im starting thinking it can be so easy to fall on the temptation of cheating if youre a secret narcissist/egocenter and already good at chess
Naaaah bro is blitzing hardcore move and says naively "it may be not working but i have to try " 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Надеюсь Даня перевернет историю и включится в нормальный взрослый диалог. Очень хочу чтобы Даня доказал все моменты и мы были сто процентов уверены в его честности так как он является одним из любимых контент мейкеров по шахматам. Благодаря его обучающим роликам я спрогрессировал очень быстро и сильно. В своих обучалках на уровне 1800 и выше он очень хорошо и подробно объяснял всю логику своей игры.
Короче, я фан Дани, но вопросы Владимира Борисовича адекватны, уместны. Не вижу ничего обидного в них.
Я тоже надеюсь 👍
Danya played more than 3000 online games with Magnus, with very decent results. Would Magnus keep playing with a cheater game after game for many years?
You never know which game he cheated.
@@ivantolkachev4808 Danya has suspicious behavior and he hasn't played over the board. Looks dodgy... Kramnik has done good investigation.
@@ivantolkachev4808 simple solution to this is, Danya accept Kramnik's offer of 50k and play in controlled test conditions.
I lost respect for Danya when he didn't respond to that offer. Kramnik even suggest no money but a game challenge.
Danya is highly suspicious. Sorry that is what I see from the videos and his lack of acceptance. If Danya has integrity, then play OTB and produce same results against strong opposition.
Chesscom is an American monopoly and it wants its to be shielded and promoted. End of story.
@@ivantolkachev4808then you go ahead and do that. Nobody is stopping you. I've seen a lot of chess streamers, and most of them have normal eye movements and body language and online performance matching OTB performance, but a small but significant percentage have suspicious eye movements and body language AND amazing overperformance results online.
Bc8?
Looking away from the screen during the game so many times is more than suspicious. It's clear evidence that the guy is doing something he shouldn't be doing.
He's looking at chat while streaming..
@@doji-san looking at chat while playing games is just admitting to cheating, you're not supposed to even look at chats while playing, anyone can suggest computer lines or moves
Check some hikaru streams whenever he is playing he turns on "emotes only mode" so people can only spam emotes after the game ends he resumes chat.
On top of that danya is just looking at the opposite direction of where his chat monitor is
Please Mr Kramnik do a Video on Shevchenko and the latest cheating scandal
as a solid 1200 player I agree bc8 is bs, doesn't make any sense to me either.
No surprise bro, you would need +2k more to start to understand the logic behind it, maybe even a little more :DDD
Im 2000 player and would consider it as a blunder of an amateur. completely usless move that does shit. :D
Very very interesting
Mr. Kramnik, do you not see the effect you're having on these chess players you're investigating and insinuating may be cheating? Probably all of them idolize you and consider you to be amongst the best chess players of all time, and then you come out and say they may not be as good as they appear, they may be cheating. Could you imagine when you were a young man a top chess player you held in high esteem came out and did the same thing to you? Insinuated you weren't as good as you appeared and may be cheating. How do you think that would make you feel? All these concerns you have are reasonable, but having a public witch hunt is not the right way to handle it. Please reconsider what you're doing.
Доброго времени суток, Володь. Зачекал на себе как я осмысляю сложные позиции и посмотрел Яна и Хикару в этом ключе, все примерно одинаково. На сложной позиции ты отводишь голову от доски (экрана) и пытаешься решить эту задач. Это не полсантиметра вверх взгляд каждые пять секунд. Хз, что происходит. Владимир Борисыч, что-то вас хейтят постоянно, этот чезкомовец соринку нашел в интервью у Левитова про увольнения читерского отдела, а бревна не видет. Володь, если даже Левитов не понимает зачем вы все это делаете (судя из интервью).О чем мы можем тут вообще говорить?
Я не могу понять одного,почему он очень сильный только в интернете,где реальные турниры,он же молод и почему на него многие молятся?Накамура всем всё доказал в реале,а это вообще кто?и почему он так сильно играет в интернете?По ходу вопрос без ответа или потому что читер.
чемпионат России по блицу выиграл)
@@denten1412 это не 3200 на постоянке на чес коме.Чувак,тупо топ 3 мира на сайте.Так не бывает.
@@СерёгаКадинов ни о какой постоянки 3200 и речи нету , тебе показывают партии , которые хотят показать . ты скорее даже не смотрел титульные вторники у Матвея . А то , что он чемпион России по блицу - факт
@@denten1412 В смысле?У него 3200 на чес ком и третье место после Накамуры и Карлсена,какие мне партии показывают?О чём речь?Я вижу,он постоянно или выигрывает призовые турниры или в топ3-5,не суть,вот это я вижу и мне непонятен уровень данного спортсмена,который в молодом возрасте променял титулы реальные на виртуальные.Я понял бы,если бы он играл средне,ничего не видать,типо умалешённого Сычёва,но он же громит всех в интернете,почему бы это не делать в реале???Я лишь это хочу понять.)))Как пример ,Ниманн -красавчик,стал показывать результат в инете,перебрался в реал и доказывает всем своей игрой какую-никакаю силу,я об этом короче.
@@СерёгаКадинов ты же совсем в вопросе не разобрался. Рейтинг у него 2900-3000 в блиц , есть достаточно игроков с 3000+ эло . в титульнике он ни разу не выигрывал , рекорд его это топ 7 если не ошибаюсь. просто стрим его ради интереса посмотри ( по вторникам)
Extremely good job done by both Naroditsky and Kramnik. 😏
what is your opinion on grischuk's comments on gukesh and arjun cheating OTB
What the hell is bishop c8 hahaah
Whaa?where did he say that?
"Glance , glance, where? why? Glance Glance, again and again and again, where? where are you looking" ... on his monitor ofcourse. Have you never been close to a 32" monitor ever in your life? He may as well be skipping through his playlist. There is absolutely no reason a GM shouldnt play best move in the position because he is afraid 3 years after some out of touch boomers are going to get mad. You are in every way accusing him of cheating and to conclude with "Im not accusing" is such bullshit.
Legend
44:08 Vlad indeed is based