Yes and please use the 50mm or 85mm f/1.2, if possible, for some of the shots. Some low-light as well if that's not too much to ask - love your videos!!!
Even with the vignetting at maximum wide, it is usable. This camera is becoming a real animal. Fits RF, EF and EFS, now with a crop that is manageable. Fixed EyeAF with update, only two bugs are 120FPS and subject out of screen, doesn’t focus when brought back in screen. My problem is just forking out for the body :(
Would have bought this when I was crazy for 4k but I am solidly in the 1080p camp now. Too much overhead for details no one really cares about. I own 3 ILC cameras that can shoot 4K including the 5D4 and the GH5. They both shoot amazing 1080p. Today I saw amazing video quality and I looked to see what she was using....and it was 720p 60. She just had amazing lighting, makeup, and a clean background. 🤣
The 1080p crop mode uses the same portion of the sensor used for the 4k crop area and it looks much better than the full frame 1080p mode. This makes the speedbooster useful even in 1080p imo
So the adapter allows for EF lenses to have a 1.24x crop instead of a 1.75x @ 4k. But this wouldn't work with an RF lens because it's EF adapter and not an RF, correct?
I hate that I have to spend another $500 thru a 3rd party to almost get the camera I want from Canon...but this IS almost the camera I wanted from Canon now lol. This is doable, now it's just missing 1080p 120fps FF with AF, IBIS, and better low light from a new sensor if possible. This may be the ticket to hold me over till their next iteration tho, this 4k looks sexy AF now, and an extra stop to boot:)
At 2:04 you show the comparison using a 50mm 1.2 @ ISO 100 Isn't this the RF lens from canon? in that case can you use the speed booster with an actual RF lens too and fix the 4k video crop as well?
So near the end of the video is that a Canon 17-55mm EF-S lens you have on there? If it is this serious peaks my interest becuase officially I thought metabones didn't support EF-S lenses on this adaptor.
Agree Tyrone. Here is what I read, unless I'm misunderstanding it: Note : 1. EF-S lenses do not fit on Speed Booster®. Some EF-S lenses may be modified to fit, but do so at your own risk. 2. EF-S lenses and third-party lenses designed for APS-C format DO NOT WORK AT ALL when used in conjunction with Speed Booster® due to the limitation of image coverage.
3rd party APS-C lenses should work. Unlike EF-S, they’re just EF mount so there’s nothing physically preventing you from attaching the lens to the adapter. DSI Pictures even uses the Sigma 18-35 in his video test.
Jordie Cee yeah the sigma is EF fit not EFS, so it fits the metabones EF mount natively without modding. But Dave has clearly mounted Canon lenses (modding is straightforward - there are loads of how-to vids). I think it’s just a question of whether a particular lens can be mounted (or modded) and how much of its imaging circle covers the cropped portion of the sensor. I think metabones just have to cover themselves - they don’t want to be liable when someone tries modding their canon glass and is upset by the inevitable vignette; after all, these APSC fixes are workable hacks, not perfect designs that pass quality control :)
David Law as much as I’m looking forward to upgrading to the eos r for my Full frame cameras I really enjoy shooting non pro stuff on the m50. If they make an EF - EF M adaptor with a filter inside like they have for the eos R imma go HAM on that. Hoping since the 90D is full sensor FF the EOS R will be upgraded eventually. Leggo canon.
David Law true APSC but they also had a crop at 4K til recent firmware so it’s full APS C 4K Hoping the same will apply for the full frame line. It’s just a matter of time. If they make a grip for the EOS RP that utilizes the LPE6 batteries that would make that a serious contender at $1000. I think that adaptor would be amazing. Maybe third party company will make. I’m glad it’s come out now I’m finally upgrading from my 5DM3s I bought at release 4/2012 for 4K each haha. I almost went 5DM4 but so much is going on right now with mirrorless. Great time for photographers.
Wow with the Speedbooster my RP would have less of a crop than the R?! And thanks again to you Dave, you were the one that broke the news about the Speedbooster for the M Series! 🙏🏽
@@bobdrummondfilms5402 is right. It just really depends on the lens and the additional coverage. I have a feeling most APC lens will vignette towards the wider ends of the focal range
Fun Fact: Most directors choose to shoot film with wide-angle lenses almost all the time. Some of the greats even used wide angles at like 19 mm. (I would be wary of distortion from very short lenses like that; 28 mm is plenty good with modern technology). So we've been working in a Super 35 mm format for almost 100 years.
How is the autofocus performance with the speed booster? seemed promising in your test in the video - but I rely on it quite a lot for my interview work, wondering wether you would feel comfortable with the AF performance, I assume its not as good as a native adapter, but would love to get your opinion
I’d like to try this for APSC too. Assume you used the slice hack on the 10-18? I wonder if that would work on the 18-55 f3.5-4.5 stm kit lens - to get a lightweight 24-70 f2.4-f4 w/silent autofocus! Those things go for 50 bucks!
Great job on the video. I'm surprised they actually made it! Definitely seems to help with the video crop on the R and RP. For anyone that's really really into Canon, it seems like a good solution. Tacking on $450 is a tough one for anyone not already deep into Canon RF/EF. Actually, the RP seems to be a decent combo when considering price for anyone that has EF glass. I think the crop is slightly less too.
quick question: Im trying to decide whether to get the GH5/s now that the firmware update has been released OR this canon EOS R. Im planning on shooting a variety of sets, but mostly mini docs, lectures, and youtube vids. What would you recommend? Thanks again for such good content as well!
@@RodrigoPolo 1. EF-S lenses do not fit on Speed Booster®. Some EF-S lenses may be modified to fit, but do so at your own risk. 2. EF-S lenses and third-party lenses designed for APS-C format DO NOT WORK AT ALL when used in conjunction with Speed Booster® due to the limitation of image coverage.
@@DanieleRuggieri Thanks, I know some EF-S wouldn't fit because the protuberance they have and the glass that occupy the space on the speed booster, that is why I was amazed to see the EF-S 10-18mm being used in this video, I guess they modified it, the question is how. The EF 18-135mm plastic cover at the end can be easily removed and put back, but I don't know about the 10-18mm
Dont sleep on this, I just got this today express shipping and man this literally just made all my 1.8 ef lenses 1.2 aperture for video and for photos with the sigma 18-35 1.8 no vignetting from 24-35mm but 20mm is usable if you crop to 21:9 aspect ratio 😉👍
I got mine yesterday. I went to shoot a punk band at a studio the same night. 4K + SpeedBoost is insane!!! But i can't shoot 1080p 60fps :( Does yours do that too???
I got a reply from Daniel at their support team and he seemed to think that it supposed to work. I uploaded images of my shooting modes menu. The 1080p 60fps options are greyed out
@@pckmusic Its because the EOS R doesn't let you use 60p in the crop mode. When the R first released, the Sigma 18-35 was read as a full frame EF lens by the camera so you'd be able to get the 1080p60 but with some vignetting at the wide end. The only way to fix it would be to roll the firmware of your 18-35 back to pre-EOS R update and the camera will read it as an EF lens and not EF-S again.
@@TheMikeCrispy Ok wow. I totally forgot about the crop mode. I think I remember Kai Wong mentioning that in his review. And I just brushed it off.... Thanks for clearing that up
This looks awesome, but I'm still kinda new to this camera. Can I use this with my RF lens or is this only ment to be used with EF lenses? I would love to get rid of that damn crop! Thanks for this awesome review!
Lots of warnings on the metabones website about using EF-S lenses with that speed booster. What did you do to the Canon EF-S 10-18mm to make it work, if anything?
BMPCC 6k already has an EF-mount, not possible to make an adapter with a speedbooster. However you can preorder a speedbooster that fits into the lens mount from LucAdapters, that will sit inside the camera.
@@clintcompose Because if the BMPCC 6K had the RF mount instead of an EF mount, then you'd be able to use this Speedbooster to make it closer to full frame.
nice video ,thanks for all those info while i am about to buy FF camera.. you didn't mention that booster costs almost another 500 usd ,how ever it is an amazing option for canon r, i just wish the just had 4k 10b out of a FF a not crop , !
Kinotika - Hosted By Dave Maze btw forgot to ask is there any slot for drop in filters at all or any other adapters for the eos-r from them in the works with it ?
Hey Dave, Thanks for making this video. Couple questions for you. When using EF-S lenses, were your tests in 4K or 1080p? And Canon EF-S have rubber on the rear lens mount. Did this interfere when attaching to the Metabones? I've seen videos of people taking off the rubber to use on Sony cameras and it made me not want to try that. Keep up the great content Bro. It's always interesting watching your videos and learning something new. Cheers! - Paul
Paul, EF-S lenses would not work with this hack. You can use EF-S lenses with the standard adapter on the EOS-R, which will work in 4K recording without any special adapters. Attaching a APS-C lens and then a speedbooster would get you that same fisheye, vignetted look that you got when using the Speedbooster in full frame mode.
WWwwwweeeeeelllllll *yes*, you do get an extra stop of light....... But that's a bit confusing to say, without acknowledging that you already lost quite a bit of your f-stop when the image was cropped. So, your 16-35mm f/4 is effectively about 28-60mm f/6.9. You then apply the reverse, boosted effect at a x0.71 multiplier, which then gets you to about a 20-42mm f/4.9. So, you almost get your lens back. But it does NOT become a 16-35mm f2.8 FF equivalent lens!
actually not true. when the camera is cropped, you do not lose the light because the light is still fully thrown onto the full length sensor and evenly distributed. 2.8 is still 2.8 because regardless if you are in the middle of the sensor in crop, or at the full frame of the sensor - the light is distributed from the aperture evenely regardless. the speedbooster however, focus the light onto a smaller portion of the lens which brightens the specific portion of the sensor being using. So in one case, you are changing the optics of the lens which changes the brightness. However in the other case, you are not optically focusing the light differently, and therefore there is no change. I had this same concern but did my own tests to confirm its correct.
Great video and news. But what about the EF-S statement? Here is what the speed booster website says: Quote "Note : 1. EF-S lenses do not fit on Speed Booster®. Some EF-S lenses may be modified to fit, but do so at your own risk. 2. EF-S lenses and third-party lenses designed for APS-C format DO NOT WORK AT ALL when used in conjunction with Speed Booster® due to the limitation of image coverage". Did you get an EF-S lens to work? Thanks for the video.
You have to modify some of the lenses to mount. The 17-55 has a plastic ring you can just pop out and my 10-18mm I shaved the back off with a hacksaw. Totally works fine.
They are just talking about the vignette you may see and stuff. It’s no big deal. Just know your limitations. Lenses like the tokina 11-16 and the sigma 18-35 don’t even have an EF-S Mount.
It's bizzare that this thing actually exists. When Canon releases a Full Frame 4K uncropped R body it immediately renders this obsolete. I'm surprised Metabones was willing to invest in it. Though, it probably borrowed a lot from their other speedbooster technology. Seems like a good bandaid in the meantime. It's too bad that resale value will be next to nothing down the road though! 🤔
Hello friend, your video is very nice. Can you tell me if it works well for photography? Can you tell me if the metabones maintains the 0.71x factor for any lens? For example taking a picture with an EF 35mm camera, will the adapter show more field of view? I already thank you Thank you very much
6:56 you should have said that to do that you have to modify them, removing the rubber protection and it might be a risk; just buy the Meike alternative, and you don't have that problem.
Yeah I was wondering about them photography part I figured that much. Last year when I first got in the photography I was using a Canon M50 with a speed booster. That thing was a little beast. My nifty fifty went from F 1.8 down the F 1.2!!! A year later that came was gone I've graduated to the Canon EOS r a bunch of L lenses as well as a couple RF lenses and about $20,000 worth of debt for a small Photography Studio later... I was kind of hoping that this would put the EF lenses into beast mode like my little M50 used to have.
You will notice that using the speed booster reduces the bokeh (depth-of-field) effect. So I plan to shoot with a wide-angle lens where I might otherwise use a normal. I have a 28 mm pancake lens waiting for when my EOS R comes in a couple days.
Kinotika [Dave Maze] yeah I’ve been using it for 4k - it’s for when I want to switch over to stills without having to change out the adapter for a quick picture. I can confirm the 24-70 2.8 ii and 24-105 f4 work in stills without a vignette as well
@@ClassicalTechnology Are you sure in still full frame mode? I read somewhere else that when you in still, it automatic switch to 1.6 crop as eos r switch to APS-C mode. If is possible would like to hear your result. I watched your video as well but just want a little more info on this adapter. Thanks!
Zhiliang Cai I am, for some reason it properly recognizes some lens like the 24-105 F4, but doesn’t recognize others and causes a vignette. Maybe it needs a further update
@@ClassicalTechnology Do you mean you can get 24*0.71=17 on 24-105 without vignette at all? That kinda screw my mind because I feel like the 24-105 is design with a 43 diameter image circle, beyond that should be in dark. If this lens has no crop at that entire focal length it will be a viable option for Medium format 44*33 sensor to just taking pictures.
@@michaelosburn1324 7:58 "I found on this 10-18 with the speed booster, I was able to zoom out to about 12mm without any vignetting", "This is with the 10 to 18 on the EOS R, with the speed booster, and have electronic stabilization turned on"... Yes, I have read the Metaboones website: "1. EF-S lenses do not fit on Speed Booster®. Some EF-S lenses may be modified to fit, but do so at your own risk." Problem is, this video didn't said a thing about a modified EF-S 10-18mm and it should, the issue is with the inherent protuberance of EF-S lenses, the 18-135mm 80D kit lens is easier to adapt because of the plastic end, the 10-18mm have a plastic end that has to be modified, this video didn't said a thing about that.
Yes but the EOS r will mount the EF-S sigma. It actually works fine in 4k due to the crop factor. My question is does the meta bones reduce the vignette enough to use the lens in 1080p
Does it actually unlock the full sensor though? Or is it just zoomed back on the crop while still only using 18 out of the 30 megapixels? Also I read it only reduces crop to 1.24 so it doesnt fix anything
This device is only for video. 4k video is only 12MP so the megapixel mention there doesn't matter. Correct... it's not "full" full-frame. It's about 1.2x which is dramatically better and more manageable than 1.8x. However... in 2022 I don't think using this camera and metabones thing is worth it anymore. SO many other options now that provide full-frame 4k. Sony a7IV and the Canon R6 are great options.
You look like you might be a little slimmer, Dave, unless it's my eyes or the 12mm lens. I wanted to see if there were any noticeable softening or image degradation with the speedbooster in the 4K mode but I couldn't see any via TH-cam.
How about using the speedbooster with EF-S lenses on crop mode? Wouldn't it give a fical range si ilar to wht the ef-s lense says? I mean: tha 10 mm on crop mode gives an aprox of 16 mm view. with the speedbooster I should become something close to 11, or am I wrong?
1:47 Dear God look at the difference between the middle two images, 1080P NO BOOSTER VS 4K WITH BOOSTER, Almost the same FOV but the extra detail with the 4k definitely seems to show off here.
Sad you dont understand the tech. An a7r3 has a 1.5x crop on 4k high quality mode and looks decidedly soft in 4k full frame mode. Will you notice much difference between 1.5x and 1.8x crop ? Not likely. Pixel matching without scaling is the correct path to highest quality image, and the 1.8x crop was the right thing for Canon engineers to do.
Let me tell you something my friend I have both cameras, Sony is way sharper in 4k, more than the Canon, stop promoting what do you don't know, maybe you hear that from Matti hapoya. I think this is insane why you trying to argue this. Need to stop being a Fanboy.
Just dealing with any extra attachments it's a deal breaker for me. I like simplicity. So if you want to go from stills to video. Is going to be a hassle every time.
Damn, I really wanted to switch from the 80D to the EOS-R, but I ended up switching systems to Panasonic GH5s this year with Metabones Speedbooster. I might have to switch back now that there's an option to use crop lenses on it! Have you tried this setup with the Sigma 18-35 1.8 yet?
Canon EOS R Speedbooster Vs C500 Mark II Full Frame? 🤔
Yup. Do it!
Yes and please use the 50mm or 85mm f/1.2, if possible, for some of the shots. Some low-light as well if that's not too much to ask - love your videos!!!
Drop that bomb !!!!
Oh go on then!
Dude the difference it makes is crazy. I didn't even know speedboosters where made for full frame in general. This is the break the EOS R needed
It's not made for full frame, it's made for the 4K crop as witnessed in this video (i.e. the vignetting in full frame)
Lover Of Tech they shouldn’t have to be made for full frame. This is stupid canon is ripping people off.
But at this point wouldn't you be better off buying an APSC camera without a 4K crop such as the 90D?
@@akivabernstein4723 why do you keep writing such garbage ? Do you not understand the tech ?
I’ll wait til viltrox makes one 🙃
EOS R + METABONES SPEEDBOOSTER + NINJA V = MAD 4K QUALITY.
Exactly !!! Ninja V with the EOS R is why we need a video like this 🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼
@@ThorSkin69 well that combination will cost more than the eos R6... and eos r 6 can do 8k+4k 10bit and also slowmo 4k at 60fps...
@@JohnAmaro_Official I agree, if you’ve built up the gear then might as well use it 🤙🏼 but at the time this was an option for people!
Even with the vignetting at maximum wide, it is usable. This camera is becoming a real animal. Fits RF, EF and EFS, now with a crop that is manageable. Fixed EyeAF with update, only two bugs are 120FPS and subject out of screen, doesn’t focus when brought back in screen.
My problem is just forking out for the body :(
Would have bought this when I was crazy for 4k but I am solidly in the 1080p camp now. Too much overhead for details no one really cares about. I own 3 ILC cameras that can shoot 4K including the 5D4 and the GH5. They both shoot amazing 1080p. Today I saw amazing video quality and I looked to see what she was using....and it was 720p 60. She just had amazing lighting, makeup, and a clean background. 🤣
Michael Ma exactly what you said.
Me too!
The 1080p crop mode uses the same portion of the sensor used for the 4k crop area and it looks much better than the full frame 1080p mode. This makes the speedbooster useful even in 1080p imo
This metabones with the 18-35 f1.8 sigma test plssssssssss
Heavy vignette from 18-23/24 then fine from there. Just received mine yesterday
The Aesthetic Professional thank you very much for this info! I really appreciate it! Any effects in the autofocus?
FYI - Heavy vignette on Sigma 18-35 from 18-23/24 on EOS R w/ speedbooster. No issues from 24-35
How about using the speedbooster with sigma 24mm 1.4?
Does that mean it can give 24 to 35mm FF equiv with this speedboster?
@@briandecasa5444 multiply it by 1.2
It works with a sigma 18-35 1.8 crop lens (had EF mount not EF-S but the lens work as EF-S lens) with on a full frame canon camera like Canon RP,R6?
So the adapter allows for EF lenses to have a 1.24x crop instead of a 1.75x @ 4k. But this wouldn't work with an RF lens because it's EF adapter and not an RF, correct?
Correct
You got it!
😆 I'm waiting for someone to do a 120fps hack.
May be, Magic Lantern will fix this
Use your phone and get 960 fps 😉
Or at least use the 240 fps hack
Oh man that is so cool that they made that!!
I hate that I have to spend another $500 thru a 3rd party to almost get the camera I want from Canon...but this IS almost the camera I wanted from Canon now lol. This is doable, now it's just missing 1080p 120fps FF with AF, IBIS, and better low light from a new sensor if possible. This may be the ticket to hold me over till their next iteration tho, this 4k looks sexy AF now, and an extra stop to boot:)
At 2:04 you show the comparison using a 50mm 1.2 @ ISO 100
Isn't this the RF lens from canon? in that case can you use the speed booster with an actual RF lens too and fix the 4k video crop as well?
So near the end of the video is that a Canon 17-55mm EF-S lens you have on there? If it is this serious peaks my interest becuase officially I thought metabones didn't support EF-S lenses on this adaptor.
Agree Tyrone. Here is what I read, unless I'm misunderstanding it:
Note :
1. EF-S lenses do not fit on Speed Booster®. Some EF-S lenses may be modified to fit, but do so at your own risk.
2. EF-S lenses and third-party lenses designed for APS-C format DO NOT WORK AT ALL when used in conjunction with Speed Booster® due to the limitation of image coverage.
@@microbroadcast yes this is what I read which is why I was surprised the video seems to indicate that the two EF-S lenses he had on the camera work.
Think there’s a hack where you literally slice off the back of the lens mount or something... Dave, help us!
3rd party APS-C lenses should work. Unlike EF-S, they’re just EF mount so there’s nothing physically preventing you from attaching the lens to the adapter. DSI Pictures even uses the Sigma 18-35 in his video test.
Jordie Cee yeah the sigma is EF fit not EFS, so it fits the metabones EF mount natively without modding. But Dave has clearly mounted Canon lenses (modding is straightforward - there are loads of how-to vids). I think it’s just a question of whether a particular lens can be mounted (or modded) and how much of its imaging circle covers the cropped portion of the sensor. I think metabones just have to cover themselves - they don’t want to be liable when someone tries modding their canon glass and is upset by the inevitable vignette; after all, these APSC fixes are workable hacks, not perfect designs that pass quality control :)
Just announced
Firmware update puts full frame 4K in eos r.
Where is this update?
@@gavinleighton I think he's joking
David Law as much as I’m looking forward to upgrading to the eos r for my
Full frame cameras
I really enjoy shooting non pro stuff on the m50. If they make an EF - EF M adaptor with a filter inside like they have for the eos R imma go HAM on that.
Hoping since the 90D is full sensor FF the EOS R will be upgraded eventually. Leggo canon.
@@RafaelUnplugged The 90D is an APSC sensor, not full frame. For close to 1000$ its worthwhile upgrading to the R which you can buy new for 1400$
David Law true APSC but they also had a crop at 4K til recent firmware so it’s full APS C 4K
Hoping the same will apply for the full frame line. It’s just a matter of time.
If they make a grip for the EOS RP that utilizes the LPE6 batteries that would make that a serious contender at $1000. I think that adaptor would be amazing. Maybe third party company will make.
I’m glad it’s come out now I’m finally upgrading from my 5DM3s I bought at release 4/2012 for 4K each haha. I almost went 5DM4 but so much is going on right now with mirrorless. Great time for photographers.
Does it work with Sigma 18-35mm 1.8?
The continuous AF looks really good!
Great video thanks for the information. Might have to pick one of these up.
I knew they'd come with something mannn im so freaking happy they did i was gonna buy the A73 bcuz i wanted 4k full frame thanks for this video bro!!
Wow with the Speedbooster my RP would have less of a crop than the R?!
And thanks again to you Dave, you were the one that broke the news about the Speedbooster for the M Series! 🙏🏽
Someone should go check the Sigma 18-35 with the Speedbooster on RF whether its image circle covers it!
Jerome Chiu do it and let us know
So if theres No vignetteing on the 10-18mm at 12mm with the speedbooster, that means the sigma 18-35mm is usable with the speedbooster!!
Myhouseproductions I'd like to see that test!
Not necessarily. You'd need to test.
@@bobdrummondfilms5402 is right. It just really depends on the lens and the additional coverage. I have a feeling most APC lens will vignette towards the wider ends of the focal range
What’s cooking Dave! Do you recall how much that 17-55 vignettes on the R with the speedbooster? Thanks for sharing :)
I was waiting for this video! Thank you!! :)
Heck ya! Thank you for waiting : )
www.metabones.com/products/details/MB_SPEF-EFR-BT1
Fun Fact: Most directors choose to shoot film with wide-angle lenses almost all the time. Some of the greats even used wide angles at like 19 mm. (I would be wary of distortion from very short lenses like that; 28 mm is plenty good with modern technology). So we've been working in a Super 35 mm format for almost 100 years.
The speed booster is available on Metabones website: www.metabones.com/products/details/MB_SPEF-EFR-BT1
How is the autofocus performance with the speed booster? seemed promising in your test in the video - but I rely on it quite a lot for my interview work, wondering wether you would feel comfortable with the AF performance, I assume its not as good as a native adapter, but would love to get your opinion
I’d like to try this for APSC too. Assume you used the slice hack on the 10-18? I wonder if that would work on the 18-55 f3.5-4.5 stm kit lens - to get a lightweight 24-70 f2.4-f4 w/silent autofocus! Those things go for 50 bucks!
Great job on the video. I'm surprised they actually made it! Definitely seems to help with the video crop on the R and RP. For anyone that's really really into Canon, it seems like a good solution. Tacking on $450 is a tough one for anyone not already deep into Canon RF/EF. Actually, the RP seems to be a decent combo when considering price for anyone that has EF glass. I think the crop is slightly less too.
4:03 just use it on one of the crop sensor models now available.
What about trying out a Canon M6 Mark ii With a speedbooster and Clean HDMI out?? this should give better results that the Eos R
@@dayspoiler4608 what awful codec? - with the clean HDMI out, it will be Prores HQ
@@holdmedear uh no
@@MeAndMyOpinions_OverYours i tried it today. it sends out a clean HDMI to the ninja V producing a workable proresHQ file.
@@holdmedear 1.6x apc vs 1.7 4k crop. You can still get the same with the EOS R using an external recorder.
Nah, you can get 10-bit out of the EOS R. Much superior!
Very tempting. Great video.
quick question: Im trying to decide whether to get the GH5/s now that the firmware update has been released OR this canon EOS R. Im planning on shooting a variety of sets, but mostly mini docs, lectures, and youtube vids. What would you recommend? Thanks again for such good content as well!
BiGGMiCC gh5s still has no viable autofocus despite the upgrade. Look for canon r or fuji x-t3.
Just bought the adapter and cant put my 10-18mm EF-S on it a liitle disapointing.... How did you get that lens on there?!?!?
Have the very same question, having the exactly same issue.
@@RodrigoPolo
1. EF-S lenses do not fit on Speed Booster®. Some EF-S lenses may be modified to fit, but do so at your own risk.
2. EF-S lenses and third-party lenses designed for APS-C format DO NOT WORK AT ALL when used in conjunction with Speed Booster® due to the limitation of image coverage.
@@DanieleRuggieri Thanks, I know some EF-S wouldn't fit because the protuberance they have and the glass that occupy the space on the speed booster, that is why I was amazed to see the EF-S 10-18mm being used in this video, I guess they modified it, the question is how. The EF 18-135mm plastic cover at the end can be easily removed and put back, but I don't know about the 10-18mm
@@DanieleRuggieri I guess this is the answer th-cam.com/video/lSxT-R0T29o/w-d-xo.html
Dont sleep on this, I just got this today express shipping and man this literally just made all my 1.8 ef lenses 1.2 aperture for video and for photos with the sigma 18-35 1.8 no vignetting from 24-35mm but 20mm is usable if you crop to 21:9 aspect ratio 😉👍
I got mine yesterday. I went to shoot a punk band at a studio the same night. 4K + SpeedBoost is insane!!! But i can't shoot 1080p 60fps :( Does yours do that too???
I got a reply from Daniel at their support team and he seemed to think that it supposed to work. I uploaded images of my shooting modes menu. The 1080p 60fps options are greyed out
@@pckmusic Its because the EOS R doesn't let you use 60p in the crop mode. When the R first released, the Sigma 18-35 was read as a full frame EF lens by the camera so you'd be able to get the 1080p60 but with some vignetting at the wide end. The only way to fix it would be to roll the firmware of your 18-35 back to pre-EOS R update and the camera will read it as an EF lens and not EF-S again.
@@TheMikeCrispy Ok wow. I totally forgot about the crop mode. I think I remember Kai Wong mentioning that in his review. And I just brushed it off.... Thanks for clearing that up
@@pckmusic yes mine too
This looks awesome, but I'm still kinda new to this camera. Can I use this with my RF lens or is this only ment to be used with EF lenses? I would love to get rid of that damn crop! Thanks for this awesome review!
Lots of warnings on the metabones website about using EF-S lenses with that speed booster. What did you do to the Canon EF-S 10-18mm to make it work, if anything?
I had to slice the back off with a hacksaw :)
*Need RF for the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6k*
BMPCC 6k already has an EF-mount, not possible to make an adapter with a speedbooster. However you can preorder a speedbooster that fits into the lens mount from LucAdapters, that will sit inside the camera.
why?
@@clintcompose Because if the BMPCC 6K had the RF mount instead of an EF mount, then you'd be able to use this Speedbooster to make it closer to full frame.
@@aaronhinton92 facts
gonna check it out
nice video ,thanks for all those info while i am about to buy FF camera.. you didn't mention that booster costs almost another 500 usd ,how ever it is an amazing option for canon r, i just wish the just had 4k 10b out of a FF a not crop , !
Infamous 16-35mm ef? Are you sure that is the correct term cause I am going to get this lens
Can you still use 1080p/60 with a 'modified' EF-S lens, such as the 10-18 ? Possibly also using 1080 crop mode? Good video. Thanks.
Nope. Canon crippled this camera and disabled 60p in 1080p crop mode. 60p is only available in full frame.
OMG!! When is this out! I mean I want this like yesterday already!! 😱 , btw did u have the 1.4 firmware while testing it?
Qippy's Channel check the link in the bio! It’s out now!
Its out now! Link in bio!
www.metabones.com/products/details/MB_SPEF-EFR-BT1
Kinotika - Hosted By Dave Maze btw forgot to ask is there any slot for drop in filters at all or any other adapters for the eos-r from them in the works with it ?
Hey Dave,
Thanks for making this video. Couple questions for you. When using EF-S lenses, were your tests in 4K or 1080p? And Canon EF-S have rubber on the rear lens mount. Did this interfere when attaching to the Metabones? I've seen videos of people taking off the rubber to use on Sony cameras and it made me not want to try that. Keep up the great content Bro. It's always interesting watching your videos and learning something new. Cheers!
- Paul
Paul, EF-S lenses would not work with this hack. You can use EF-S lenses with the standard adapter on the EOS-R, which will work in 4K recording without any special adapters. Attaching a APS-C lens and then a speedbooster would get you that same fisheye, vignetted look that you got when using the Speedbooster in full frame mode.
Dear Dave Claus I've been good al year :D
WWwwwweeeeeelllllll *yes*, you do get an extra stop of light....... But that's a bit confusing to say, without acknowledging that you already lost quite a bit of your f-stop when the image was cropped. So, your 16-35mm f/4 is effectively about 28-60mm f/6.9. You then apply the reverse, boosted effect at a x0.71 multiplier, which then gets you to about a 20-42mm f/4.9. So, you almost get your lens back. But it does NOT become a 16-35mm f2.8 FF equivalent lens!
actually not true. when the camera is cropped, you do not lose the light because the light is still fully thrown onto the full length sensor and evenly distributed. 2.8 is still 2.8 because regardless if you are in the middle of the sensor in crop, or at the full frame of the sensor - the light is distributed from the aperture evenely regardless. the speedbooster however, focus the light onto a smaller portion of the lens which brightens the specific portion of the sensor being using. So in one case, you are changing the optics of the lens which changes the brightness. However in the other case, you are not optically focusing the light differently, and therefore there is no change.
I had this same concern but did my own tests to confirm its correct.
Great video and news. But what about the EF-S statement? Here is what the speed booster website says: Quote
"Note :
1. EF-S lenses do not fit on Speed Booster®. Some EF-S lenses may be modified to fit, but do so at your own risk.
2. EF-S lenses and third-party lenses designed for APS-C format DO NOT WORK AT ALL when used in conjunction with Speed Booster® due to the limitation of image coverage".
Did you get an EF-S lens to work?
Thanks for the video.
microBROADCAST yea exactly i was gonna ask the same ?
You have to modify some of the lenses to mount. The 17-55 has a plastic ring you can just pop out and my 10-18mm I shaved the back off with a hacksaw. Totally works fine.
They are just talking about the vignette you may see and stuff. It’s no big deal. Just know your limitations. Lenses like the tokina 11-16 and the sigma 18-35 don’t even have an EF-S Mount.
Thanks for sharing
I was thinking of getting this to mount the sigma 50-100 but you said it’s not good for photographers?
Could you then use Medium Format lenses for photography with a dummy adapter?
Potentially yes! And Lipton actually makes a medium format speed booster for that exact effect.
It's bizzare that this thing actually exists. When Canon releases a Full Frame 4K uncropped R body it immediately renders this obsolete. I'm surprised Metabones was willing to invest in it. Though, it probably borrowed a lot from their other speedbooster technology. Seems like a good bandaid in the meantime. It's too bad that resale value will be next to nothing down the road though! 🤔
How were you able to attach the 10-18 efs lens to the metabones?
Hello friend, your video is very nice. Can you tell me if it works well for photography? Can you tell me if the metabones maintains the 0.71x factor for any lens?
For example taking a picture with an EF 35mm camera, will the adapter show more field of view?
I already thank you
Thank you very much
6:56 you should have said that to do that you have to modify them, removing the rubber protection and it might be a risk; just buy the Meike alternative, and you don't have that problem.
What if to use medium format lens with adapter in order to beat vignetting? I mean camera>metabones>ef to medium format adapter> medium format lens.
where can I buy this thing? sold out on their site.
B&H has them
Wonder how this would work with the Tokina 11-16 or 11-20mm?
Yeah I was wondering about them photography part I figured that much. Last year when I first got in the photography I was using a Canon M50 with a speed booster. That thing was a little beast. My nifty fifty went from F 1.8 down the F 1.2!!! A year later that came was gone I've graduated to the Canon EOS r a bunch of L lenses as well as a couple RF lenses and about $20,000 worth of debt for a small Photography Studio later... I was kind of hoping that this would put the EF lenses into beast mode like my little M50 used to have.
You will notice that using the speed booster reduces the bokeh (depth-of-field) effect. So I plan to shoot with a wide-angle lens where I might otherwise use a normal. I have a 28 mm pancake lens waiting for when my EOS R comes in a couple days.
With this speed booster, my 24-105 F4 doesn’t vignette in stills mode. Any other lens that this is true of? My 16-35 ii 2.8 does vignette
in stills mode there is no reason to get this adapter... the adapter is really only for people who want to shoot 4k and use full frame glass.
Kinotika [Dave Maze] yeah I’ve been using it for 4k - it’s for when I want to switch over to stills without having to change out the adapter for a quick picture. I can confirm the 24-70 2.8 ii and 24-105 f4 work in stills without a vignette as well
@@ClassicalTechnology Are you sure in still full frame mode? I read somewhere else that when you in still, it automatic switch to 1.6 crop as eos r switch to APS-C mode. If is possible would like to hear your result. I watched your video as well but just want a little more info on this adapter. Thanks!
Zhiliang Cai I am, for some reason it properly recognizes some lens like the 24-105 F4, but doesn’t recognize others and causes a vignette. Maybe it needs a further update
@@ClassicalTechnology Do you mean you can get 24*0.71=17 on 24-105 without vignette at all? That kinda screw my mind because I feel like the 24-105 is design with a 43 diameter image circle, beyond that should be in dark. If this lens has no crop at that entire focal length it will be a viable option for Medium format 44*33 sensor to just taking pictures.
My EF-S 10-18mm didn't fit the Metabones EF to RF adapter, I'm I doing something wrong or do I forget something?
Rodrigo Polo pretty sure it says very clearly it's not compatible with EF-S lenses on the metabones website
@@michaelosburn1324 7:58 "I found on this 10-18 with the speed booster, I was able to zoom out to about 12mm without any vignetting", "This is with the 10 to 18 on the EOS R, with the speed booster, and have electronic stabilization turned on"...
Yes, I have read the Metaboones website: "1. EF-S lenses do not fit on Speed Booster®. Some EF-S lenses may be modified to fit, but do so at your own risk."
Problem is, this video didn't said a thing about a modified EF-S 10-18mm and it should, the issue is with the inherent protuberance of EF-S lenses, the 18-135mm 80D kit lens is easier to adapt because of the plastic end, the 10-18mm have a plastic end that has to be modified, this video didn't said a thing about that.
Rodrigo Polo good to know! Kinda wack that that is the case
@@michaelosburn1324 Here is where he show how hi modified the lens: th-cam.com/video/kFd_YvCugOk/w-d-xo.html
Will the Canon EFS 10-18mm lens connect to the Metabones Speed Booster on the EOS R?
I must admit I thought the original ”cropped” video looked better. Maybe just use a wide angle lens if the crop isn't to your liking.
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Do it! www.metabones.com/products/details/MB_SPEF-EFR-BT1
Oooh yeah, looks to show more detail to
work to take photos?
How much of the sensor does the 17-5mm cover? Does it cover at 17?
Would this let you use my favorite lens of all time the sigma 18-35 ART 1.8 in 1080p mode or is it still a no go?
That doesnt fit on full frame, it's for crop sensor cameras like EF-S lenes
Yes but the EOS r will mount the EF-S sigma. It actually works fine in 4k due to the crop factor. My question is does the meta bones reduce the vignette enough to use the lens in 1080p
Does it actually unlock the full sensor though? Or is it just zoomed back on the crop while still only using 18 out of the 30 megapixels?
Also I read it only reduces crop to 1.24 so it doesnt fix anything
This device is only for video. 4k video is only 12MP so the megapixel mention there doesn't matter. Correct... it's not "full" full-frame. It's about 1.2x which is dramatically better and more manageable than 1.8x. However... in 2022 I don't think using this camera and metabones thing is worth it anymore. SO many other options now that provide full-frame 4k. Sony a7IV and the Canon R6 are great options.
Wow EOS R now has a Speedbooster !
Is there any way to get 50p/60p to work with this speed booster? Correct me if I'm wrong--60p only works in full frame 1080p?
You look like you might be a little slimmer, Dave, unless it's my eyes or the 12mm lens. I wanted to see if there were any noticeable softening or image degradation with the speedbooster in the 4K mode but I couldn't see any via TH-cam.
I bought my R with RF24-105 f/4-7.1 IS STM lenses. I cant use this converter right? 😢
It works with a sigma 18-35 1.8 crop lens (had EF mount not EF-S but the lens work as EF-S lens) with on a full frame canon camera like Canon RP,R6?
Will this work better than or similar to the uncropped 4K on 90D? EOS R has better codec and specs, but...
This would be sick to have
Well whaddya know
Question, what happenings if you use the speed booster in 1080p ? Will my lens be to wide ?
Is it only for 4K ?
The lenses won't cover s large enough image circle. They would be too wide and have heavy vignette
How about using the speedbooster with EF-S lenses on crop mode? Wouldn't it give a fical range si ilar to wht the ef-s lense says? I mean: tha 10 mm on crop mode gives an aprox of 16 mm view. with the speedbooster I should become something close to 11, or am I wrong?
why do I get the feeling like I've seen you at Acting auditions in Hollywood?
Dang. I just bought an EOS R ($1299 from B&H) and this speed booster makes me want to steal my daughter's EF-S 10-18 IS. :)
You cant put efs lenses . Only EF. Unless you wack off the mount on the back.
Good video.
Best speedboster for canon 90d?
EOS R is cool, but Komodo, I'm intrigued.
Didn't you meant to say rf to ef? Or is there a ef to rf adapter? 🤔
Just wish the adapter didn’t cost half the price of the camera. For that price, might as well buy the eos-r
1:47 Dear God look at the difference between the middle two images, 1080P NO BOOSTER VS 4K WITH BOOSTER, Almost the same FOV but the extra detail with the 4k definitely seems to show off here.
I can't believe i wasnt Subscribed to you already. Solved that.
Как работает автофокус в фотографии с использованием speed booster?
Yes this is good but it’s sad that you need to do this with a full frame camera.
so true, I have canon but sony much better
Sad you dont understand the tech. An a7r3 has a 1.5x crop on 4k high quality mode and looks decidedly soft in 4k full frame mode. Will you notice much difference between 1.5x and 1.8x crop ? Not likely. Pixel matching without scaling is the correct path to highest quality image, and the 1.8x crop was the right thing for Canon engineers to do.
Let me tell you something my friend I have both cameras, Sony is way sharper in 4k, more than the Canon, stop promoting what do you don't know, maybe you hear that from Matti hapoya. I think this is insane why you trying to argue this. Need to stop being a Fanboy.
is it me are is the color since different on the no boost looks different color not sure if that's better are worst
It's dramatic difference in color am I the only one that noticed
Just dealing with any extra attachments it's a deal breaker for me. I like simplicity. So if you want to go from stills to video. Is going to be a hassle every time.
When I saw the wheel on the Speed Booster, I hoped it was a variable ND filter...😩
Lol where would the nd fit?
Finally!!!!
Waiting For The Viltrox Version
Pras Setio Amen
Yes!!!!!Viltrox!!!!!!
Damn, I really wanted to switch from the 80D to the EOS-R, but I ended up switching systems to Panasonic GH5s this year with Metabones Speedbooster. I might have to switch back now that there's an option to use crop lenses on it! Have you tried this setup with the Sigma 18-35 1.8 yet?
It's interesting, but kinda ridiculous when you think about it ha ha. I mean, it's a full frame camera!
You looks like a movie character, but I forgot who he is
Must have it! 😦
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7:35 1.6.
It's almost like a life hack, except it is!