It was great seeing an Asics athlete taking the race. Every running blogger has praised the Metaspeed this year and I asked myself why this praise is not showing up in the elites
Well, he won in next years Metaspeed. Not this years. The new Metaspeeds a great. It’s more the big name athletes. Korir is definitely one of their top athletes.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you Sagasu...Always informative. This just confirms what you ha said a while ago regarding the direction of shoes and how we gonna have top tier pairs for elites and a different pair for us :)
@@TheTownshipRunner simple, because Nike & Adidas have the most & best athletes! Yes great to see ASICS winning a major. Pacers wore MS Paris too. And I’m seeing more people around me wear ASICS now. Novablast, Superblast, Metaspeeds they have strengthened the brand, Yowana even put up a video “I found my Superblast” talking about a Puma can you imagine!
I will say as someone who was at Chicago, I was surprised by the lack of Adidas overall. They had probably the smallest booth at the expo, with only having the supernova and ultraboost (even puma brought more, including the fast-RB). Where I was in the pack, there were still Bostons, AP3 and Prime X 2s, but not nearly as many as I saw Asics or Nike products. I think combined (obviously just from the small sample I saw around me), I saw more Superblasts than I did all adidas combined. Didn't see a single Adios Pro 4, but did see a few Evo 1s
Ya, it was odd form the coverage I saw as well (I wasn't on the ground obviously). Not just the elites. I also saw very few Adidas anything in the pack, much less than I've seen in recent years. It does tell you something about the size of Adidas's market in the US. While it's a popular brand for American runners, it's not as large as you would think. Not surprised about no AP4s as the shoe actually has not been on sale yet. Only elites, selected influencers and some friends/family have them at the moment. I believe there will be a very limited drop later this year but the official release date ins Jan 2025 but I'd not expect mass releases until at least March 2025.
@SagasuRunning I would also say it has something to say about the average consumer, which I realize comes off as haughty but is not meant to be so In the hallowed halls of the shoe social media space, the Adios Pro 3 is still held up as a pinnacle racing shoe (which I agree with but that's not the point). Same thing with shoes like the Deviate Elite (which I know you have feelings on but still), which I think I only saw 4-5 of including mine. Most consumers are going out and buying what came out last and rolling with it. At least from what I saw, it was a sea of Metaspeeds and Alphafly 3s. Which goes to show, at least from this anecdotal experience, things we worry about (picking the right metaspeed for the runner for example) aren't that big of a thing in the grand scheme. It was just eye opening, which it shouldn't have been but was anyway
@michaelcaricoo Agree here. The AP3 is a great shoe…but it’s over 2 years old. No matter how many colorways Adidas tries to “keep it fresh” with…it’s still an OLD shoe (great, but old). Attention definitely moves to the new shiny thing, AF3s and MSPs. It will be interesting later next spring, once the shoe is on sale for a bit, to see how many AP4s are out there in the pack.
I was in the D corral at Chicago and I saw a pair of either EVO 1 or AP V4 on a person nearby, they were all white and I didn't take the time to determine which it was. But it definitely surprised me. Beyond that it pretty much played out how you described it. There were a few people running in more daily trainer'esque models. But I saw a ton of VF VX, AF VX, Asics Metaspeeds, and a surprising number of HOKA Ceilo X1's.
If I had to guess I bet you saw Evo 1s, unless it was an influencer that was also in berlin. Not surprised by the Ceilo X1. It's been promoted as the ultimate "racing" shoe hevily in Hoka feeds. I hope you had a great race! 💪🏻
@@SagasuRunning definitely, hope this is a trend from Adidas pros so they can consolidate their lineup. Nike needs to take notes with people racing in every gen of both Vaporfly and Alphafly. Luckily AF3 is so good most are starting to prefer it but the Vaporfly still is stuck in previous gens.
I’m curious if it is. We will see more Adidas elites in NYC. We won’t know for sure until the spring. Yes, Nike likely needs to take notes here. It’s going to be an interesting story to cover when the VF4 releases. Good thing they have the AF3 now.
i absolutely love your videos and commentary! it would be super nice if you could add mor visuals (eg pictures or footage of the race as you comment on it) - do you not do this because of copyright issues or because it's not your interest?
I get this every video I do after a marathon…. I don’t include it due to copyright and rights issues. Since this content is monetized and I’m not setup as press it’s a slippery slope for me. They being said, this video has the most images I’ve ever had in one of these due to using brands social media, since they post athlete stuff there…. But they is spotty. I’d love to include more visuals…. But it might not ever happen. Something I’m working on though.
Hey man. Awesome insights as usual, thank you. I was in the Asics’ flagship store on the Gold Coast last week, and the manager was saying he’d received the photos of the MS4s - they look drastically differently to the MS/EPs, saying how they have a very “flat back”, and are much lighter. So I wonder whether the ones that Korir was wearing are actually that close in design, anyway. Confirmed also that unsurprisingly, Tokyo in early March will be the big launch…
Ya, that is totally the shoe he was wearing. You can see the "flat back" in the photo of what he is holding. Imagine a AF3 heel, but if it was straight and not curved in. There is another Metaspeed as well, something that looks like a Prime X type shoe that was in the leak drop, so there could be as many as 4 Metaspeeds next year...
I thought the Pro 4's would be widely available to the general public in October but now it says it will not be available until January 2025 at least in my region. Great discussion by the way. Heard you are in Taiwan right now?
I don't remember hearing that. The AP4 is a 2025 shoe and will have a limited availability in Jan 2025 (likely just the white colorway in limited regions) with full availability in March 2025 (slowly rolling out to all regions my April, likely). They just did a big press event at Berlin, because... it's Berlin and Adidas's "home" race. I don't even think they sold them at the expo. The Evo SL is meant to have a limited release in Oct 2024, then full availability sometime in early 2025. Here in Taiwan I'm not planning on seeing them until spring. Yes, I'm primarily based in Taiwan.
Interesting, thanks! Would be good to know what pace you have to run to hit the sweet spot for the different carbon racers (I mentioned this before but the more I think about it, the more I think this would be great to know otherwise it’s pick one and hope it works at the pace you are going to race at..)
Was this comment on the right video? Regardless… paces are relative. What works for me likely won’t work for you or be the same. I can give a reference for me… but it only applies to me.
@@SagasuRunning yes thanks, just though would write it here since talking different supershoes. If given as pace per distance (mile,km) rather than “5k pace”, “10k pace” etc then that should work? The trouble is a lot of videos talk about distance pace rather than actual time/distance pace which, as you say, is pretty much meaningless!
@@SagasuRunning thanks, yep, no criticism of your vids! Just an observation generally when I watch shoe reviews after my experience of keeping 4:05/km in a recent HM and found that I wasn’t getting the best out of my Sky Paris (compared to say 3:35/km pace) and thought another shoe where this pace is in the sweet spot might be better (your suggestion of VF3 might work, although could be a costly mistake as I just don’t get on with the VF2 (don’t like how they make me land although I think this pace would be in the sweet spot area with them). Enjoy the content and detailed analyses, hope your channel continues to grow!
@Mr80Miles I don’t take it as criticism at all. I see the point. But again, pace is so personal. Not sure how much my pace (or anyone else) would be fully relevant. It’s one of those things you need to workout for yourself in the shoe. This is why (at least for me) I often ballpark paces as “5k” or “10k” because while our pace may differ the use case of the type of running does not. Make sense?
We shall see...but I wouldn't hold my breath. Asics race shoes have always been true race fits and VERY narrow, for many years. Even a bit before the Metaspeeds. Though their new Prime X looking Metaspeed looks as if it could be a different, wider, last. We will know more at TRE and in the spring.
@@SagasuRunning Asics have always fit me. I have the original Edge, and they fit fine. The Paris models were narrower in the midfoot than prior versions. Look at you're own measurements. Otherwise, I'm OK with snug.
@adamfeerst2575 Oh, I know… but that is also what made them so nimble and gave some of the performance they have. However it also made them very unstable. We shall see what they do next year. From the photos the heels look wider…. Which means the midfoot is likely wider… but again, Asics seems to do what they do. 🤞🏻
Impressive! How you can see who’s wearing what in Adidas Adios level is beyond me. Anyway my thoughts: Kudos for discovery of ASICS Metaspeed 4. And just I was happy for Paris make the top podium 😢 MS4 Prototype looks ugly on the heel I hope they change it. Also disappointing if ASICS comes with another super shoe next year. Paris is good enough for a 2 year cycle, why replacing something as good?
My thought is becuse ASICS company seems do more a 1/2 model change for the next year before going more modified to warrant an actual slight model change in name or in number, the brand will do this for the next model.
It does seem they are coming with new models next year... maybe up to 4 Metaspeeds. Again, the Asics Metaspeed naming convention makes zero sense to me. I believe they see the Paris series as a minor update to the Plus and again, not an actual update. 2025s models WILL be a proper update though. I actually think the MS4s look better, more natural lines. The Prime X looking one doesn't, but thats not the type of shoe I'd ever really (seriously) consider running in anyway.
@@SagasuRunning The first MS they were called Tokyo. Then plus, then Paris. What if they keep this pattern with Olympic Games with pluses in the interim?
I was looking for some li-nings or the xtep 160x 6.0 Pro with its pi inforced carbon plate, getting the weight down to 190g. But noooope couldnt see anything, sad
@@SagasuRunning Yeah but what about contracts... I remember Kelvin Kiptum dropped Nike shortly before he died to run for Qiaodan. I was expecting to see some pro runners with these brands
@Chungdol take this for what’s it’s worth… but I know a person who is connected in circles of elite level coaching. He told me over the summer that a few big name elites have been approached by Chinese brands…. Offering big checks, when sample sheos are provided for tryout the athletes are generally saying “I don’t care how much they pay me, I can’t run in those.” A few do make the jump, hoping to be able to develop a shoe to their liking but find that will never happen and basically fade away as they burned other bridges to jump into the big contract. I’m hearing elites are very untrusting of the Chinese brands at the moment.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you 🤗 I sadly dont know Western elite runners and the Chinese runners I know would run in the worst shoes ever because they are overly proud of their brands and country. I dont mind but its hard to get another perspective. But the qiaodan plaid 1.5 seems to be liked many Western people so far.
I see the Qiaodan Plaid 1.5 in EU reviews and comments…but nothing from the US. A big issue in the US right now is a lot of these brands sell through AliExpress, which has a massive stigma in the US right now, especially with all the news coming out about Temu and SHEIN…it’s an uphill battle that these brands are not helping themselves with. It’s either that or resellers. I know there are many like me but I flat out won’t buy through a reseller on principle alone. I don’t support that business, period. It’s why it took me forever to get a pair of AF3s. I will only buy directly through the brand or a small mom/pop running store, not chain running stores either.
@@john-tomlinson I feel like it would be a bit of a mess on the marketing and legal side of things. Really hope they release it though, it looks promising
Amos Kipruto was third in adios Pro 4 , one japanese runner ran in the pro evo 1 in sixth place and Reed Fischer was eleven in th Pro 4 in the womens the fourth place was in the adios pro 4
I’m really curious how the midsole foam holds up. The upper and outsole should do fine…. But that midsole…. If it can withstand 20mile loops it will be able to do any road marathon easily….
Yeah. It’s also interesting because he told me that Adidas was trying to get him a pair so he will not have a lot of miles on them. He was otherwise going to use the Adios Pro 3. He set the Leadville record in the Speed Ultra Trail which has some similar technology and midsole but dubious stability. I’m having trouble with them and I think I will end up choosing the Kjerag for my very technical mountain ultra in Zimbabwe in December.
@@SagasuRunning The ASU is hard to wrap my arms around. It's got a great outsole and grip on various terrain. It's clearly fast for going straight ahead. However It is also a bit wobbly even in the forefoot and I have rolled over several times on just jogging downhill on not that technical terrain. I'm not sure how people are running UTMB with them. Maybe it's experience and time on feet with them? David has a whole routine of ankle taping for use with the ASU. On the other hand the Kjerag is much lighter and very stable with also a great outsole and in aggregate maybe a little less fast on the most favorable terrain but much better at unfavorable terrain.
I’ve been testing a higher/wider trail shoe lately that is in the same category with the ASU. I don’t have the terrain to really put it into its sweet spot…I only have technical terrain and it’s a chore in that. I definitely prefer lower shoes with less reactive foams for my trail conditions and options here in Taiwan.
@@SagasuRunning Just now, I searched some of the pics on the internet, socks indeed were Nike but were not the same used by the pacers. Ruth’s had the name Nike and the Swoosh. From afar, it looked different. 👍
would be nice to show photos of these athletes and some info or at least pronounce full name. As subtitles pronounce Karir as career and Im guessing most of daily runners doesnt follow marathon runners carreers, they just want to know the best shoes to run in :)
Two things…I cover shoes on this channel so thats my main focus with these videos. Obviously athletes are the star, which is why I mention the outstanding performances, but talking about shoe spotting is my purpose here. Secondly, due to copyright and monetization issues it’s risky for me to include photos here, unless the brand releases them on their feeds. But the press photos and video I can’t access as I’m not press and do monetize these videos. Noted on subtitles though.
As I'm a slow heavier runner I took notice of the shoes that I saw at my pace on my marathon and it was almost 0 super shoes. More daily trainers. I wonder what the science says about 5 hour marathons and what shoes is slower runners benefit from.
It says carbon plates add significant stiffness to the sole of the shoe and slower runners may be paying a penalty for using them in the form of a higher metabolic cost than if they used a softer soled shoe (Juliet Hochman & Coach Jeff Sankoff, M.D.). The science of max cushion & carbon shoes is very different than the marketing. Most of what are called "supershoes" are designed for runners with a 18-20 bmi (elite men, slightly more for women) that can toe/ball strike the distance. That's a tiny segment of runners. For non-elite runners in most every case the best shoe is going to be the least fatiguing shoe for you, regardless of it's weight, material, etc. For a great many people that's going to be a standard & sensible neutral or stability shoe.
There you go... One niggle, I disagree that a "stability" shoe will be good for "many people"...but a sensible neutral shoe that IS stable will be. Shoes like the Asics Novablast 4, Superblast 2, Nike Pegasus 41, Saucony Ride 17 and Endorphin Speed 4, Adidas Supernova series...all come to mind.
Looking through photos I noticed far less super shoes in the masses of runners than I normally do. The press photos i was looking at, I have no idea of the pace, but I would guess well over 5 hours finishing times given the proximity of crowds still around the course. I noticed some supershoes, mostly Alphafly 2s and Vaporflys, a random Adios Pro 3....but then not much else. Lots of Saucony Triumphs, Rides, Endorphins, Brooks models I don't recognize, some Asics and Hokas (but not as many as I expected).
@@SagasuRunning my time was 5:22 but not Chicago and I went with the superblast 1. I saw a lot of brooks ghost, a few gel nimbus, a few novablasts, some I did not recognize some of those may have been Pegasus as I can not eye the Pegasus vs other Nike shoes. I did see one couple who both had on vaporflys but that was the only super shoe I saw around my pace group. For half's I always use the endorphin pro 3 and my half times are around 2:20 but for the full I felt something more comfortable would be better.
@@SagasuRunning You're arguing with numbers? In June '24 Runner's World said 50% of runners overpronate. Asics on their website say that metric is 60%. Even if it's just a tiny fraction of what RW & Asics says....it's 'many people'. "The Impact of Excessive Body Weight and Foot Pronation on Running Kinetics: A Cross-Sectional Study", check it out and be mindful 'excessive body weight' starts at a bmi of 25. Couple the stats with the studys and it explains the wild success of Brooks GTS technology, Kayano, GT-2000.
Again this rule that the shoes are available for sale at retail is not enforced in any meaningful way. It was always an anti-Nike rule because of athletes white shoe sponsors that were asleep on tech developments. The lack of enforcement is fine but the rule is inscrutable.
It was great seeing an Asics athlete taking the race. Every running blogger has praised the Metaspeed this year and I asked myself why this praise is not showing up in the elites
Well, he won in next years Metaspeed. Not this years. The new Metaspeeds a great. It’s more the big name athletes. Korir is definitely one of their top athletes.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you Sagasu...Always informative. This just confirms what you ha said a while ago regarding the direction of shoes and how we gonna have top tier pairs for elites and a different pair for us :)
@@TheTownshipRunner simple, because Nike & Adidas have the most & best athletes! Yes great to see ASICS winning a major. Pacers wore MS Paris too. And I’m seeing more people around me wear ASICS now. Novablast, Superblast, Metaspeeds they have strengthened the brand, Yowana even put up a video “I found my Superblast” talking about a Puma can you imagine!
It has nothing to do with shoes.
Nike and Adidas have just the best athletes (money).
Yes they do…but the best product is what draws the athletes to begin with AND keeps them…
Love this level of observation. My go to for prototype shoe intel.. 🤙🏻
💪🏻 🤙🏻
My favorite Chris discussions: marathon shoe observations
One more to go this fall season…
@@SagasuRunning Yes indeed: the iconic NYC.
I like this insight
@@andrewstorm8240 Chris is a master story teller
I try…
I will say as someone who was at Chicago, I was surprised by the lack of Adidas overall. They had probably the smallest booth at the expo, with only having the supernova and ultraboost (even puma brought more, including the fast-RB). Where I was in the pack, there were still Bostons, AP3 and Prime X 2s, but not nearly as many as I saw Asics or Nike products. I think combined (obviously just from the small sample I saw around me), I saw more Superblasts than I did all adidas combined. Didn't see a single Adios Pro 4, but did see a few Evo 1s
Ya, it was odd form the coverage I saw as well (I wasn't on the ground obviously). Not just the elites. I also saw very few Adidas anything in the pack, much less than I've seen in recent years. It does tell you something about the size of Adidas's market in the US. While it's a popular brand for American runners, it's not as large as you would think.
Not surprised about no AP4s as the shoe actually has not been on sale yet. Only elites, selected influencers and some friends/family have them at the moment. I believe there will be a very limited drop later this year but the official release date ins Jan 2025 but I'd not expect mass releases until at least March 2025.
@SagasuRunning I would also say it has something to say about the average consumer, which I realize comes off as haughty but is not meant to be so
In the hallowed halls of the shoe social media space, the Adios Pro 3 is still held up as a pinnacle racing shoe (which I agree with but that's not the point). Same thing with shoes like the Deviate Elite (which I know you have feelings on but still), which I think I only saw 4-5 of including mine. Most consumers are going out and buying what came out last and rolling with it. At least from what I saw, it was a sea of Metaspeeds and Alphafly 3s. Which goes to show, at least from this anecdotal experience, things we worry about (picking the right metaspeed for the runner for example) aren't that big of a thing in the grand scheme.
It was just eye opening, which it shouldn't have been but was anyway
@michaelcaricoo Agree here. The AP3 is a great shoe…but it’s over 2 years old. No matter how many colorways Adidas tries to “keep it fresh” with…it’s still an OLD shoe (great, but old). Attention definitely moves to the new shiny thing, AF3s and MSPs. It will be interesting later next spring, once the shoe is on sale for a bit, to see how many AP4s are out there in the pack.
I was in the D corral at Chicago and I saw a pair of either EVO 1 or AP V4 on a person nearby, they were all white and I didn't take the time to determine which it was. But it definitely surprised me. Beyond that it pretty much played out how you described it. There were a few people running in more daily trainer'esque models. But I saw a ton of VF VX, AF VX, Asics Metaspeeds, and a surprising number of HOKA Ceilo X1's.
If I had to guess I bet you saw Evo 1s, unless it was an influencer that was also in berlin.
Not surprised by the Ceilo X1. It's been promoted as the ultimate "racing" shoe hevily in Hoka feeds.
I hope you had a great race! 💪🏻
Surprising to see A. Kipruto already in the AAP4 instead of the Pro Evos
Agree. It also means he likely did his build in them too.
@@SagasuRunning definitely, hope this is a trend from Adidas pros so they can consolidate their lineup. Nike needs to take notes with people racing in every gen of both Vaporfly and Alphafly. Luckily AF3 is so good most are starting to prefer it but the Vaporfly still is stuck in previous gens.
I’m curious if it is. We will see more Adidas elites in NYC. We won’t know for sure until the spring. Yes, Nike likely needs to take notes here. It’s going to be an interesting story to cover when the VF4 releases. Good thing they have the AF3 now.
@@SagasuRunningAdidas Announcement That Tamirah Tola, Albert Korir and Evans Chebet will run in New York with Adidas
@cesarzoghbi4695 I’ll be curious what they line up in…I’ll expect the AP4.
i absolutely love your videos and commentary! it would be super nice if you could add mor visuals (eg pictures or footage of the race as you comment on it) - do you not do this because of copyright issues or because it's not your interest?
I get this every video I do after a marathon…. I don’t include it due to copyright and rights issues. Since this content is monetized and I’m not setup as press it’s a slippery slope for me.
They being said, this video has the most images I’ve ever had in one of these due to using brands social media, since they post athlete stuff there…. But they is spotty.
I’d love to include more visuals…. But it might not ever happen. Something I’m working on though.
@@SagasuRunning that makes sense! sorry for asking a repeated question
No worries. It’s a logical questions to ask here. I’d wonder too.
Hey man. Awesome insights as usual, thank you. I was in the Asics’ flagship store on the Gold Coast last week, and the manager was saying he’d received the photos of the MS4s - they look drastically differently to the MS/EPs, saying how they have a very “flat back”, and are much lighter. So I wonder whether the ones that Korir was wearing are actually that close in design, anyway. Confirmed also that unsurprisingly, Tokyo in early March will be the big launch…
Ya, that is totally the shoe he was wearing. You can see the "flat back" in the photo of what he is holding. Imagine a AF3 heel, but if it was straight and not curved in. There is another Metaspeed as well, something that looks like a Prime X type shoe that was in the leak drop, so there could be as many as 4 Metaspeeds next year...
I thought the Pro 4's would be widely available to the general public in October but now it says it will not be available until January 2025 at least in my region. Great discussion by the way. Heard you are in Taiwan right now?
I don't remember hearing that. The AP4 is a 2025 shoe and will have a limited availability in Jan 2025 (likely just the white colorway in limited regions) with full availability in March 2025 (slowly rolling out to all regions my April, likely). They just did a big press event at Berlin, because... it's Berlin and Adidas's "home" race. I don't even think they sold them at the expo.
The Evo SL is meant to have a limited release in Oct 2024, then full availability sometime in early 2025. Here in Taiwan I'm not planning on seeing them until spring.
Yes, I'm primarily based in Taiwan.
Interesting, thanks! Would be good to know what pace you have to run to hit the sweet spot for the different carbon racers (I mentioned this before but the more I think about it, the more I think this would be great to know otherwise it’s pick one and hope it works at the pace you are going to race at..)
Was this comment on the right video?
Regardless… paces are relative. What works for me likely won’t work for you or be the same. I can give a reference for me… but it only applies to me.
@@SagasuRunning yes thanks, just though would write it here since talking different supershoes. If given as pace per distance (mile,km) rather than “5k pace”, “10k pace” etc then that should work? The trouble is a lot of videos talk about distance pace rather than actual time/distance pace which, as you say, is pretty much meaningless!
For speed and race shoes I have been trying to reference paces (in /km) lately… but again it’s all only relative to me.
@@SagasuRunning thanks, yep, no criticism of your vids! Just an observation generally when I watch shoe reviews after my experience of keeping 4:05/km in a recent HM and found that I wasn’t getting the best out of my Sky Paris (compared to say 3:35/km pace) and thought another shoe where this pace is in the sweet spot might be better (your suggestion of VF3 might work, although could be a costly mistake as I just don’t get on with the VF2 (don’t like how they make me land although I think this pace would be in the sweet spot area with them). Enjoy the content and detailed analyses, hope your channel continues to grow!
@Mr80Miles I don’t take it as criticism at all. I see the point. But again, pace is so personal. Not sure how much my pace (or anyone else) would be fully relevant. It’s one of those things you need to workout for yourself in the shoe. This is why (at least for me) I often ballpark paces as “5k” or “10k” because while our pace may differ the use case of the type of running does not. Make sense?
I hope the new Metaspeeds have a wider midfoot, similar to their previous versions. The Paris models hurt my arches.
We shall see...but I wouldn't hold my breath. Asics race shoes have always been true race fits and VERY narrow, for many years. Even a bit before the Metaspeeds. Though their new Prime X looking Metaspeed looks as if it could be a different, wider, last. We will know more at TRE and in the spring.
@@SagasuRunning Asics have always fit me. I have the original Edge, and they fit fine. The Paris models were narrower in the midfoot than prior versions. Look at you're own measurements. Otherwise, I'm OK with snug.
@adamfeerst2575 Oh, I know… but that is also what made them so nimble and gave some of the performance they have. However it also made them very unstable. We shall see what they do next year. From the photos the heels look wider…. Which means the midfoot is likely wider… but again, Asics seems to do what they do. 🤞🏻
Impressive! How you can see who’s wearing what in Adidas Adios level is beyond me. Anyway my thoughts: Kudos for discovery of ASICS Metaspeed 4. And just I was happy for Paris make the top podium 😢
MS4 Prototype looks ugly on the heel I hope they change it. Also disappointing if ASICS comes with another super shoe next year. Paris is good enough for a 2 year cycle, why replacing something as good?
My thought is becuse ASICS company seems do more a 1/2 model change for the next year before going more modified to warrant an actual slight model change in name or in number, the brand will do this for the next model.
It does seem they are coming with new models next year... maybe up to 4 Metaspeeds. Again, the Asics Metaspeed naming convention makes zero sense to me. I believe they see the Paris series as a minor update to the Plus and again, not an actual update. 2025s models WILL be a proper update though.
I actually think the MS4s look better, more natural lines. The Prime X looking one doesn't, but thats not the type of shoe I'd ever really (seriously) consider running in anyway.
Ya, they have their own approach to updates in the Metaspeed series. Only they understand it.
@@SagasuRunning The first MS they were called Tokyo. Then plus, then Paris. What if they keep this pattern with Olympic Games with pluses in the interim?
Metaspeed Super Max Sky/Edge Tokyo ++++++++ ? 🤔
I was looking for some li-nings or the xtep 160x 6.0 Pro with its pi inforced carbon plate, getting the weight down to 190g.
But noooope couldnt see anything, sad
It's highly unlikely you'll see those shoes in the US, ever. Not just on elites but for sale.
@@SagasuRunning Yeah but what about contracts... I remember Kelvin Kiptum dropped Nike shortly before he died to run for Qiaodan.
I was expecting to see some pro runners with these brands
@Chungdol take this for what’s it’s worth… but I know a person who is connected in circles of elite level coaching. He told me over the summer that a few big name elites have been approached by Chinese brands…. Offering big checks, when sample sheos are provided for tryout the athletes are generally saying “I don’t care how much they pay me, I can’t run in those.” A few do make the jump, hoping to be able to develop a shoe to their liking but find that will never happen and basically fade away as they burned other bridges to jump into the big contract.
I’m hearing elites are very untrusting of the Chinese brands at the moment.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you 🤗
I sadly dont know Western elite runners and the Chinese runners I know would run in the worst shoes ever because they are overly proud of their brands and country. I dont mind but its hard to get another perspective.
But the qiaodan plaid 1.5 seems to be liked many Western people so far.
I see the Qiaodan Plaid 1.5 in EU reviews and comments…but nothing from the US. A big issue in the US right now is a lot of these brands sell through AliExpress, which has a massive stigma in the US right now, especially with all the news coming out about Temu and SHEIN…it’s an uphill battle that these brands are not helping themselves with. It’s either that or resellers. I know there are many like me but I flat out won’t buy through a reseller on principle alone. I don’t support that business, period. It’s why it took me forever to get a pair of AF3s. I will only buy directly through the brand or a small mom/pop running store, not chain running stores either.
Very curious about the Brooks shoes on Susanna Sullivan and perhaps others.
Their new PEBA Hyperion Elite. Though I know they are now testing some other foam compounds too. So unclear what she was in.
@@SagasuRunningdo you know if Brooks will release the peba Hyperion Elite 4 before they release the elite 5 ?
@@alexdc4386 I'm curious about that two. Or really if the PEBA 4 will be released at all.
@@john-tomlinson I feel like it would be a bit of a mess on the marketing and legal side of things. Really hope they release it though, it looks promising
It will likely be the E5 with the new foam(s). The E4 is for development.
Amos Kipruto was third in adios Pro 4 , one japanese runner ran in the pro evo 1 in sixth place and Reed Fischer was eleven in th Pro 4 in the womens the fourth place was in the adios pro 4
More AP4s than anything…I did see this. Still very small Adidas footprint at the race. One of the smallest I’ve ever seen, even at Chicago.
David Roche is probably going to go for a course record at Javalina Jundred in Adios Pro 4.
I’m really curious how the midsole foam holds up. The upper and outsole should do fine…. But that midsole…. If it can withstand 20mile loops it will be able to do any road marathon easily….
Yeah. It’s also interesting because he told me that Adidas was trying to get him a pair so he will not have a lot of miles on them. He was otherwise going to use the Adios Pro 3.
He set the Leadville record in the Speed Ultra Trail which has some similar technology and midsole but dubious stability. I’m having trouble with them and I think I will end up choosing the Kjerag for my very technical mountain ultra in Zimbabwe in December.
@brianreiter5572 Id have no issue expecting the AP3 to survive Javelina.
You can never go wrong with the Kjerag… seriously. It’s so so good.
@@SagasuRunning The ASU is hard to wrap my arms around. It's got a great outsole and grip on various terrain. It's clearly fast for going straight ahead. However It is also a bit wobbly even in the forefoot and I have rolled over several times on just jogging downhill on not that technical terrain. I'm not sure how people are running UTMB with them. Maybe it's experience and time on feet with them? David has a whole routine of ankle taping for use with the ASU.
On the other hand the Kjerag is much lighter and very stable with also a great outsole and in aggregate maybe a little less fast on the most favorable terrain but much better at unfavorable terrain.
I’ve been testing a higher/wider trail shoe lately that is in the same category with the ASU. I don’t have the terrain to really put it into its sweet spot…I only have technical terrain and it’s a chore in that. I definitely prefer lower shoes with less reactive foams for my trail conditions and options here in Taiwan.
I didn’t see it clearly but did Ruth wear Brooks socks?
Nope, oddly they look like standard Nike cotton ankle height socks? Not what I'd expect.
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Just now, I searched some of the pics on the internet, socks indeed were Nike but were not the same used by the pacers.
Ruth’s had the name Nike and the Swoosh. From afar, it looked different.
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@Amtcboy Pacers looked like they had on Nike Spark socks….Ruth just had on the cotton classics…odd choice that.
would be nice to show photos of these athletes and some info or at least pronounce full name. As subtitles pronounce Karir as career and Im guessing most of daily runners doesnt follow marathon runners carreers, they just want to know the best shoes to run in :)
Two things…I cover shoes on this channel so thats my main focus with these videos. Obviously athletes are the star, which is why I mention the outstanding performances, but talking about shoe spotting is my purpose here.
Secondly, due to copyright and monetization issues it’s risky for me to include photos here, unless the brand releases them on their feeds. But the press photos and video I can’t access as I’m not press and do monetize these videos.
Noted on subtitles though.
Best shoes for marathon for me Diadora gara carbon. fast, comfortable
Interesting choice. Glad they work so well for you. 👍🏻
As I'm a slow heavier runner I took notice of the shoes that I saw at my pace on my marathon and it was almost 0 super shoes. More daily trainers. I wonder what the science says about 5 hour marathons and what shoes is slower runners benefit from.
It says carbon plates add significant stiffness to the sole of the shoe and slower runners may be paying a penalty for using them in the form of a higher metabolic cost than if they used a softer soled shoe (Juliet Hochman & Coach Jeff Sankoff, M.D.). The science of max cushion & carbon shoes is very different than the marketing. Most of what are called "supershoes" are designed for runners with a 18-20 bmi (elite men, slightly more for women) that can toe/ball strike the distance. That's a tiny segment of runners. For non-elite runners in most every case the best shoe is going to be the least fatiguing shoe for you, regardless of it's weight, material, etc. For a great many people that's going to be a standard & sensible neutral or stability shoe.
There you go... One niggle, I disagree that a "stability" shoe will be good for "many people"...but a sensible neutral shoe that IS stable will be. Shoes like the Asics Novablast 4, Superblast 2, Nike Pegasus 41, Saucony Ride 17 and Endorphin Speed 4, Adidas Supernova series...all come to mind.
Looking through photos I noticed far less super shoes in the masses of runners than I normally do. The press photos i was looking at, I have no idea of the pace, but I would guess well over 5 hours finishing times given the proximity of crowds still around the course. I noticed some supershoes, mostly Alphafly 2s and Vaporflys, a random Adios Pro 3....but then not much else. Lots of Saucony Triumphs, Rides, Endorphins, Brooks models I don't recognize, some Asics and Hokas (but not as many as I expected).
@@SagasuRunning my time was 5:22 but not Chicago and I went with the superblast 1. I saw a lot of brooks ghost, a few gel nimbus, a few novablasts, some I did not recognize some of those may have been Pegasus as I can not eye the Pegasus vs other Nike shoes. I did see one couple who both had on vaporflys but that was the only super shoe I saw around my pace group. For half's I always use the endorphin pro 3 and my half times are around 2:20 but for the full I felt something more comfortable would be better.
@@SagasuRunning You're arguing with numbers? In June '24 Runner's World said 50% of runners overpronate. Asics on their website say that metric is 60%. Even if it's just a tiny fraction of what RW & Asics says....it's 'many people'. "The Impact of Excessive Body Weight and Foot Pronation on Running Kinetics: A Cross-Sectional Study", check it out and be mindful 'excessive body weight' starts at a bmi of 25. Couple the stats with the studys and it explains the wild success of Brooks GTS technology, Kayano, GT-2000.
Using pacers should be stopped.
It has it's place, but I much prefer to see racers with race craft work through a race on their own. Far more interesting.
adidas goes home devasted! Both WR in AF3 now.
Evo 2 inbound for spring…. Mark my words. 👍🏻
I think that Cheptengetich is a super responder to the alphafly 3! Is bery harda improve 4 minutes from one year ro another!
She must be...🤔
Again this rule that the shoes are available for sale at retail is not enforced in any meaningful way. It was always an anti-Nike rule because of athletes white shoe sponsors that were asleep on tech developments.
The lack of enforcement is fine but the rule is inscrutable.
In Asics’s case here I have to agree. No effort, at all, was made to sell these. Granted I think they are early in the prototyping phase…. But still.
let's goooo
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