Amazon Tremolo as good as a Duesenberg Les Trem II?
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UPDATE - I have removed this vibrato. Even after using a roller bridge, tuning stability was not good enough. The Duesenberg Les Trem II is a much better unit. All I can say to those on here who said it's not good? You were correct.
can it be just because of the spring unit's quality?
Maybe. Does not seem to return to the same tension. I have a bigsby spring somewhere. When I find it, I'll try this on a cheap Sammick I have.@@ymelfilm
How’s it supposed to stay in tune without a roller bridge?
@@JasonGutierrez I tried 2 roller bridges. The high e goes way out of tune, like it's not returning to its former tension. I'm going to try a different spring, but on a different guitar.
the tuning depends of the head tuners, not the tremolo or bridge, dah.
I put one of these on my Rickenbacker 325 clone that I built. I found that you can put a thin piece of wood (about 1/16th of an inch thick) between the base and the rocking part, so that it acts like a stop.This turns the trem into a down only, and it never goes out of tune. This is a well built tremolo.
Just fitted this to my telecaster. Absolutely brilliant. I will post a video soon on it. Mine stays in tune perfectly. I have to state mine is the cheaper Guyker from Amazon. Looks like a slide build.
I think you shouldn't call it "amazon", call it what it is, its a guyker trem, and tbh guyker make great budget hardware, i git their locking tuners on my baritone and they are awesome, best 20€ i ever spent
I agree. I put a set of Guyker locking tuners in my Ibanez AS73, some are a bit stiff but nothing a bit of lubricant can't fix, and they hold tune pretty well. Actually, my idea from the start was to one of these trems on that guitar. Might finally pull the trigger after watching this video!
I put the full name in the description. I'm not too proud to engage in some click-inducing titles. Thanks for watching. I also did a review of the Guyker tuners a couple of weeks back.
After having the deucenberg on 5 of my guitars, I decided to try the guitar that I bought on Amazon and I find it to be almost identical to the deucenberg. I have no problem and they always stay in tune again. Lubricate the nut slots and make sure your strings are not binding there.
Guyker's been knocking it out of the park. I'm very happy with their parts, so far
Well funny they can just copy some one elses r and d , Ill support the les trem so they can keep inovating for guitar players
I saw a review where I fellow bought two of these. He likes the first one so much he bought one for another guitar. The second one had a thinner spring it. It wouldn't go sharp every time you used it. So he returned it. He got one good and one bad one. You got a got one. That is what brought me to this video. thanx
If you replace the bridge with a Duesenberg 3 point bridge, you'll get more tuning stability because it rocks back and forth with the trem
I put these on 5 of my guitars the original doosenberg. I love them and if yours does not stay in tune. Lubricate the nut slots and toy with the Spring tension. And it will always stay in tune mine does.
About the end of the bar unscrewing, that allows for shortening the functional length of the bar: Unscrew the tip, pass that end through the arm hole in the unit, and you have the equivalent of a cut down bar on a strat, AKA a Gilmour mod. I have two Guyker trems, I find them very useful!
From Leo: Good demonstration of the Guyker product. Good addition to the Rev Star. I have been using trems for years and mostly used BIGSBY trems that I hand adjust and polish to the best smoothness. A good roller bridge has always made them all smooth and more likely to return to tune. When you think about it, a wound string is a series of notches that prevent sliding smoothly over the saddle
True in fact but funny its generally at the nut that snags … still lube both Bridge and nut is a Must
I've used Guyker stuff in a few of my projects, always seems well machined and have a good weight to them.
Does the trem weigh more than a standard tailpiece ? Would be good for neck dive issues
Roller bridge is really needed for tuning stabilization
I’d think that keeping the all the string contact and pivot points lubricated would be enough.
Had small tuning issues with mine until I put
locking tuners on & a healthy dose of nut lube.
That fixed the problems 👍
Thanks for your video... it was very useful to decide what i want to put on my Gretsch 2210 Streamliner Junior Jet Club as an alternative for a Bigsby. So based on your own update i'll go with the Duesenberg Les Trem II. God bless
GREAT choice! I hope everybody sees my update.
I haven't tried a deusenberg but I did buy the guyker version I put it on my Epiphone studio Les Paul playet it at gig last week and had no issues with tuning I'm very happy with it I will be buying a few more of those in the near future to put on another Les Paul one of my sgs
I wonder if you can flip it, with spring BEHIND the trem. Instead of right up on your little finger, man I will bust my pinky on that spring every time. I wonder of it can be flipped around so spring is in the back?
If you want this swing arm to have a little more attention. If you look at the very top of the Spring between the wine and you'll see a small metric size nut, you can tighten that to increase the tension. You need a very thin metric size flat wrench.
That's good it works. I'll stick to Duesenberg since they invented it. I have a couple, but only using one right now.
Well, I'm not sure I'd say they invented it. After all, the design is obviously inspired by Bigsby vibratos. While the overall design is different the area with the spring that actually makes it work is extremely similar. I will say this style is great if you want a tremolo without the need to modify your guitar. And, it would be quicker to change strings than a Bigsby.
Just my opinion on this obviously.
The Duesenberg is great. This works too. Thanks for watching!
Duesenberg didn't invent this tremolo. They have been around since the 70s.
I put a Duesenberg Les Trem II on an Epiphone Les Paul Prophecy. I like it, but I'm trying to figure out a way to take a little off of the spring so that the arm sits a bit lower. Yes, I know the arm angle is adjustable, but it still sits too high for me when it's adjusted to be level or parallel with the guitar's top, and I don't want to adjust it so that it tilts downward. I've searched and cannot find a spring with the same specs but shorter, so I'm thinking about grinding off a bit of it. I wonder if anyone else has attempted this?
It kinda reminds me of the Bowen handle we would put on our Gibsons back in the 80's. Only your new trem operates alot better.👍👍👍
I had to look that one up. I never saw one before. Thanks Darlene.
Your tailpiece post on the spring side is lifting out of the guitar 1:00 .I’d address that before it starts to enlarge the post hole. Happened on one of my guitars.
Thanks. I saw that watching the video back.
I have a les trem ii, great to know this good cheaper one exists. Might get one for my les paul. ✌🏻😎
Thanks for checking out my little video, Hugh!!
Tuning instability will reduce if you replace the bridge saddles or a full bridge with rollers, also after install use a very very small amount of Gun & Rifle Oil on all the friction parts of the trem and saddles where strings pass over. This worked a treat after I an unstable Bigsby on my Shine Semi. Really just try to lubricate anywhere there is metal to metal friction. Worth a try. ?
I just bought a Guyker locking Tune O Matic Tail and roller bridge in black for my Epiphone SG. I noticed the Trem you got.
Thanks for watching!
I wonder if this thing could be used for Brian May type of stuff that he does
Fenders stay in tune if they are set up right.
Exactly, no point in hating on Strats when you just have to set them up right. Same goes for Bigsby and 2. gen Vibrola.
Yes they do. Thanks for watching.
Absolutely, but a strat style trem is a very different thing though. The duesenberg is much similar to the bigsby but with a few changes. It’s a bit lighter and smaller and easier to change strings on.
@@_-_Michael_-_ Strats are my favorite. I have a few. :)
if you want the arm to be a little "harder" to move side to side, there is a nut under the part of the trem that sits on top of the spring - you can adjust it there. At least the LTII has that nut :)
Thanks!
looks like your bushings are pulling up. I had that happening on one of mine, pulled the bushings out, coated it in a little titebond, put it back in and let it dry and it's staying put. my deusenberg les trem is the most stable vibrato I have.. its really hard to make it go out of tune
Now I got GAS for another Revstar with a tune-o-matic and this bridge. Mine had the wrap around thing.
I love the wrap around things too. They have their own sound.
I wonder if you’d get better tuning stability with a roller bridge in combination with this.
Maybe. I'll experiment. Thanks!
Roller bridgea are LEGALLY REQUIRED for all whammies where the strings need to slide such as this, which is all of them except $TET$BAR$.
Good I've been thinking of trying this Guyker on my old SG
Trem systems usually fail because of improper configurations. Floating, term, roller bridge and locking tuners MINUS a gazillion string wraps on the pegs should fix the issues.
I bought this thing, installed it on a crappy BFG that I had already modded within an inch of its existence. Here are my thoughts: 1. It's NOT Duesenberg quality. You get what you pay for. 2. If your guitar had tuning problems going in, this thing is almost guaranteed to make them worse. 2. I can't seem to get it tightened completely. There's always a bit of wiggle, especially when pulling up. 3. It will change the entire feel of the guitar, in my case for the better. It gave this Les Paul a bit of Strat-like, rubber-y wobbliness that I enjoy. 4. Thank God the mod is reversible. 5. It's a fun project for an instrument you're not super serious about. 6. I'm positive they stole the Duesenberg design. 7. It did not fit the thread on my existing tailpiece bushings. I had to re-use the screws from the original tailpiece, which you can't screw all the way in, because they're built to hold a stop tailpiece. Just looks odd, but doesn't get in the way of playing.
Thanks for that comprehensive comment.
@@RickRomanelli And thanks for your video! I've been wanting a Revstar for a long time. And the white one is sex-ay!
Existe la posibilidad de adaptar ese tremolo magnifico para zurdo? Invertir el puente o la palanca? Alguna ayuda por favor. Gracias
one of those bridge pins is getting pulled out of your Ducemburg guitar... grab a rubber mallet and whack it back in there (and might have to add super glue if it keeps getting pulled out like that!)
Good idea! I did it months ago. :)
I have a black Revstar RSE20. Might give the Guyker a try. Thanks!
Also - love that you include your furry kids in the video!!
The furry ones are my buds. I'm still working through some tuning issues. I think the nut needs a little lubricant. Thanks for watching.
I wonder how much cast zinc is in this compared to the Duesenberg-- Does a magnet stick to the studs or stopbar portion? How about on the Duesy?
I can't find my magnet. I guess we'll never know.
Thanks, sir. So it actually stays in tune really good?
I've been seriously thinking of getting a pair of those for a couple of guitars with stop tails I have. Nice to see that! Did you see other colours?
I only saw that mine is a different color than my stock hardware. I saw they had gold and nickel. It's not bad.
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My bar on the Les Trem II is really loose and keeps swinging around freely. Is there a way to tighten it?
does it (or the deusenberg) ever get in the way of funky strumming? I know on my gretsch with bixby it is well out of the way, but not sure about this
Nothing should ever get in the way of funky strumming. Hahah! I guess it depends, person to person, but I never had an issue funkin' out unless it was me that was the issue. Thanks for the comment!
So the spring needs to be less stiff?, I've seen a method to make it less tiff, from a video of how to setup a guitar with a Bigsby vibrato, it says you need to step on it about 30 sec...
Do the adjacent strings sag when you bend a note?
Just got mine a month ago and it snaps my e and b strings at the ball end. Now the plugs at the body holding it in the right one is lose somehow.
Si instalaras un puente Schaller STM, sería magnífico. Es más estético que el Tune O Matic y dispone de rodillos que permiten deslizar mejor a las cuerdas cuando actúa el trémolo.
Y si además instalas una cejuela Tusq Graph, lo terminas de mejorar. Tus cuerdas lo agradecerán y tus problemas de afinación mejorarán mucho.
Existe una tercera opción, pero no sé si te gustaría... Ya me dices. Saludos
Hola estaba pensando eso. Que quizá un Schaller o un tonespro ayudaría mucho. Crees que vale la pena? Antes de cambiar el nut por uno de grafito?
@@aristidesvillegas7167Si el mueble está a la altura, adelante.
Just found your channel. Awesome playing and great review. Killer tone too. What was your signal chain for this?
Thank you so much! It wasn't my usual signal but just my desk setup. A Line6 M5 (for an overdrive) into a torpedo CAB M+ into my computer interface. Peace!
is it possible to put a trem on a solid body strat, I cant use springs so I need something like a dusenberg or bigsby
Of course it's possible, but you'd have to replace the bridge with some other type.They make such bridges for Teles, which if you were willing to do some mods would probably improve the sound.I have a couple Strat/Tele hybids that are either " ashtray" or shortened 3 barrel bridge style; IMO, these are superior in every way to the standard bent saddle or modern block saddle designs.
Unless it's your only guitar, though, I wouldn't change it to the Guyker ; hardtail strats have their own vibe, and standard tremelo models are easy to come by.
You could just replace the bridge with a shortened Tele brass barrel type; it's also a inexpensive and reversible mod.
Definitely getting one…thanks!
Sure thing!
can they fit a PRS McCarty 594?
Don't know. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Is that arm shorter than the LTII arm? I put a LTII on my SG, and find the arm to be longer than I would prefer. Wondering if I might try buying just an arm for the Guyker.
You can adjust the lenght of LT II trembar
@@tihomir7 I am aware of the ability to slide the arm through, but you can't adjust all that much really.
@@steveliberty I don't know how long is the part of the trembar befire angke on the TBII copy but on Duesenberg you can slide it to make it pretty short, and adjust the heith of the bar
Mine is wonderful. Yeah it will go in and out of tune, like he said. So I spent another 70.00 dollars and put a roller tone pro bridge. Now it stays in tune. Some people insist on hard tails, because it stays in tune easier. But if you play guitar you should learn why trem systems go out of tune. It's all in the setup. Myself, I like the option of having the old wiggle stick. How else can you play Hendrix or Eddie. In my humble opinion every guitar should have a trem system. You don't have to use it. I only have 2 guitars. A P.R.S.
There trem system is excellent.
And a L.P. with the system talked about, it's purely awesome. They both stay in tune for hours. Oh, and put a little lubricant on the nut. Self teach yourself how and why a guitar does what it does. Then you can set that action low, have a wiggle stick and jam till the cows come home.
Have a great day fellow guitarists.
This is correct. And the more you play, the better it stays in tune. These were new strings AND I couldn't find my lubricant so I tried to use graphite from a pencil. This is a really great trem. Thanks for watching.
Hi bro. Wondering if since your last posting You noticed that tonespro roller bridge improved truly your tuning stabilty or not? Also wondering if Schaller brand would also fit and work properly for tuning stabilty ?
@aristidesvillegas7167
Hey man,
I was just playing my guitar with the tone pro roller bridge. It's working beautifully. Schaller is, in my experience, probably the best you can get. Just be careful if you're ordering it. You just have to make sure of the diameter of the posts. There is a difference between American made, which uses imperial measurements. If it's made overseas, then it will most likely be metric. For example, a Gibson E.S.335 wouldn't be the same hole diameter as an Epiphone E.S.335. Most Epiphones are made in China. But they have really stepped up their game. The inspired by Gibson Epiphones are pretty damn good. Also, it actually lowered my action by a 64th of an inch. But Schaller is a great company that makes very quality parts. Just have to make sure you get the right size.
@@robertwillett4122 thanks bro! Much appreciated
I like their locking tunes gyker Chinese company but my favorite locking tuners are ninja
This tremolo is good Only if you've roller bridge. String has to roll over bridge. Then tremolo is fine.💕🕊️🌍👌👍
arm up impossible?
What about to swap to a roller saddle bridge?
I did after I made this video. I am going to make an update to this video. I removed the bridge after a few weeks.
.should be better now with the rollers. @@RickRomanelli today I gigged with my ES339 Epi. I m afraid I wont like it. Heavy, not to convenient, sound was horrible (it has good pups, both are on pull-push), I felt a bit neck heavy, phone jack is wrong place for me, it hit my lap, using L shape jack but it is still a bump , I was wondering to buy the trem for it.
@@ymelfilm I'm seeing both positive and negative comments. My experience has been shaky at best. It's not very expensive. Maybe I got a bum one.
@@RickRomanelli you maybe able to fix it. I also checked reviews on aliexpress: most of the guys like it, some say like you, not holding tune
hey rick, its folks
its a good brand
Sick Revstar!
Thanks!
Very cool
Hey Jeff!
Rolling saddles would help.
Ordered them and waiting. Thanks for watching.
pretty cool.
Thanks Eric!
Better if you add a roller bridge.
I appreciate that you referred to them as “the evil company” but feel like you didn’t need to mention their name in the title. It always looks like free advertising to me when I see their name, or even worse logo in youtubers thumbnail pics and descriptions. Good, honest, no nonsense review nonetheless though 👍
Well, it does help to get more eyes on my video. I'm not too proud to clickbait a little. People can make their own choices. It'll probably upset you more that I have their affiliate links in the description. Thanks for the nice comment.
How is it a good bridge if it doesn't stay in tune 😅😅
I'll get back to you after the strings stretch a little.
its orginal a goldo model
Man, you have really stubby fingers.
Useless I never use one
Thanks for watching the video, then.
It doesn't stay in tune but it's something duesenberg got right is this thing.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Somebody get this guy a super strat with a Floyd Rose.
Dude that trem design was a failure when it was designed newer versions just to make the latest fail. Do yourself a favor and get a real guitar bro.
I had one in the 80s. I have many guitars. Some are real and some I just imagine.
@@RickRomanelli 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@RickRomanelli LOL perfect reply.
@@RickRomanelli yeah I got a few imaginary ones as well. Does it matter of fact I have a question of their guitars dating back to the 50s😂😂😂😂😂😂