Blackmagic PYXIS 6K - This Is Not It - Rant
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Its here, because we baggered BlackMagic for it. The fact that a major company listened to it's customers... is euphoric.
It's game changer for $3,000. That's why.
First of all, it’s 3200… And second of all you can get the a7s3 which is much much much better in every possible way than this crappy box camera. The read out speed of the Blackmagic camera is so slow. It’ll look like you’re doing a Jell-O commercial.
have you added the cost the screen/EVF you're going to need?
@2424rocket The A7Siii has no control. It's basically a full frame point and shoot. I owned one and left it and went back to Lumix. It's a good camera but overhyped in my opinion.
@@2424rocket Black magic's gyro information in the braw's metadata can completely remove rolling shutter artifacts post capture in davinci.
for 3k you do Not get a lot, you get an expensive starting point.😄
I think what is missing here is that this is cinema camera. comparing to a Sony or a Panasonic misses the point. Sure they have autofocus, but as soon as you stick a cinema lens on them, you're back to manual.
This is most comparable to the Red cameras. Those you have to build out as well. But the Komodo is $6K. The Komodo X is $10K. And rigging them out is crazy expensive. The Red 7" monitor is $2700. The Blackmagic is $800.
This is for someone who wants to get into independent filmmaking. People who are making independent movies and don't have a Red budget.
I get your point, but I think the whole “cinema camera” thing is overblown. If it has the same sensor as any number of non-“cinema” cameras, what’s the difference? Form factor, ports. I’m just trying to keep it on an even keel
@@PhillipRPeck I largely agree with you. I shoot with Panasonic cameras and they have way more video quality then I need. I want a cinema camera. I certainly don't need one
I also understand why someone making independent films on a budget would like this. For those people 12 bit internal Raw and the form factor with those ports matters.
For most of us, it's not a camera we need. For those in that niche, I get why they're excited
@@PhillipRPeck "what’s the difference?" A lot of it is simply a tactile thing. Its hard to explain, but compare it to something like the a7s3 that was brought up in this comments. Sony menus are awful. I know this will sound silly at first but when you are shooting a film, the sun is coming down, you have an entire crew of people waiting on you, you don't want to be wasting brain energy trying to remember where things are saved. A cinema camera is just really well streamlined. And this is just the menus, the form factor really really does make a difference. It may sound pretentious or what ever but it just a feel you develop for after shooting films.
Here is a sensible comment. There is a big misunderstanding about what Blackmagic aims for and what it is meant to address. I think possibly because of the low price they offer.
Until we get your hands on this device, and USE IT, it is hard to tell if it was a hit or miss by Blackmagic. All the "shortcomings" mentioned are there to prevent this model sales to cannibalize the URSA mini current S35 line. Every manufacturer does this. This is a more flexible form factor to pair with the cinema Camera 6K, the second being the run and gun ready tool. If you need AF you should go for Sony, Canon, Panasonic or Fuji. You know, the ones that make ultra compact all-purpose cameras. Blackmagic never did that.
@@PhillipRPeck The build and form factor is the difference. It's a tool that does similar work to your mirrorless camera but is more specified for a film set.
Thank god someone is actually being a realist and not just a marketing employee for Black Magic Design. Thanks Phillip for this!
Yo could be straight, try it
haha, 😂 nope
10bit 422 to 12bit raw is as much or more then 8 to 10bit.
Braw is maybe the best codec out there file size/quality/easy to process.
pro res raw is not working on davinci.
external monitor raw is fiddly as hell for any gimbal, steadycam op.
Grading anything not raw (mind alexa and some sony's in 444) is a pure pain.
I do agree on point of the screen on the side, should be smaller and articulating, or on top like komodo.
FPS is the only thing i have real grudge about, should've have 48/50 in open gate for 24/25 slow down as a lot of us doing music videos.
also interchangeable mounts should be better option.
@@cheguevarabig20 I use NRAW 12 bit, works perfect with davinci
As someone who shoots on the Pocket 4K + Pocket 6K for doc style and corporate the form factor change is extremely welcome.
I get the gripe around the sensor, but I only shoot 25p so that doesn't bother me - could care less about slow mo. However it still looks great coming out of Blackmagic tuned to its colour science, there is a difference with BRaw internal and other brand external even if it's the same 'variation of' sensor.
What makes this perfect for what I do, is that I could quite happily pack 3 of these with batteries and limited accessories and lenses into one suit camera case, have another suitcase for lighting and a bag for tripods / stands - no more unnecessary rigging and bulky accessories, and you really wouldn't need a screen for any of them when put on sticks into a 3 cam interview set up, unless you had 2 on sticks and just one floating cam with a top handle + screen.
Easily can mount this to a superclamp for creative angles too, and just know one BPU battery on each will last up to 3 hours. You simply can't do that on the hybrid's realistically.
You're right it's not a revolutionary camera - but it is an exceptionally useful change, for those that like this system.
It's a first version of the camera, it's going to change with future versions, but they need to start somewhere. Can you imagine the complaints they would have had if they didn't add ANY screen at all? Or placed it on the top and made it smaller? It's an amazing alternative to the 6K Cinema Camera they recently released, and you're still getting the camera and the screen built in for the money without taking anything away. An amazing first step that will be built on in the future.
Is this a recommendation for this camera?
I agree that the hype is pretty full on, not really anything new (people saying selling Komodos etc is quite silly) but the great thing about BM cameras is overall the image quality for the cost is so great. Teaching people how to be train cinematographers instead of videographers (with auto focus/ibis) in universities etc for that price point is something I would have loved 20 years ago. They definitely deserve their place
You are right on several points. But autofocus is unnecessary for these types of cameras.
RED developed phase detect auto focus for its cameras. Sony and Canon have auto focus on cinema cameras. I mean, that's your preference but I don't think everyone would agree
@@PhillipRPeck Those cameras integrated autofocus because they also serve videographers and the solo shooter market. Wedding shooters, medium commercial shoots, documentary, etc. Arri Alexa and previous RED cameras whose entire purpose was filmmaking did not have autofocus, because in those working environments they are unnecessary. So yes, if you are shooting weddings go with with a sony camera that has autofocus, if you are shooting an indie film, probably better off with something like this black magic camera.
Just waiting for the influencers to swear this is the only camera they will ever use and then saying the same thing about another camera in the video after.
Thank you for this refreshing and to-the-point informative video. It's quite remarkable that such honest videos are so rare nowadays in this clickbait-influencer swamp. Even more astonishing, however, is that so many people base their decisions today solely on such superficial and often poorly researched clickbait videos, instead of gathering broad and independent balanced information. Generally speaking, not just regarding the camera field.
It's camera that is very capable for those who want its capabilities. There are other options!
Agreed. I think I say a few times that it's a fine camera and if it suits your needs, then go for it
This camera needed a hinge on the screen so it could pivot out like on the old Canon T3i. I do not understand why they did not give that screen some articulation
People asked for a pocket 6k in a small box form. It’s as simple as that. You know there’ll be a version 2 called Pyxis pro. With ND filters..etc..no camera will give you everything you want in it.
Yup. BM will come out with the PYXIS 2 with internal NDs at a higher price point and people will still complain.
"Feel free to disagree, get angry.. whatever you need to do with yourself!"
Yeah, I had an earlier version where I talked more in depth about buying new cameras versus the actual work you do but I think Moji Wilson already hit the nail on the head with his reaction video.
I understand from a YTer's perspective, making money from adsense and affiliate sales, but we're really just doing free marketing for companies at this point with all the breathless hype and bullshit and our audiences are being hurt with debt, FOMO, etc.
@@PhillipRPeck I saw Moji's video and actually commented on this as well!
I have looked over my own channel and asked myself if I have been contributing to this FOMO and influencing people to go into debt.
I TRY to stick to the very basics of things and keep rehearsing to newcomers that you don't really need much to make good content nowadays.
At the same time, brands send me some cool stuff sometimes and I share those things with others. TH-cam can be a double edged sword as well. I speak against buying unnecessary things but at the same time, I promote gear. 🤷🏽♂
My justification is that one does need gear to make content however, you don't need THE BEST gear to make GREAT content.
It's just nice to see a fellow creator with the same ideas, approach and care for the wellbeing of others!
I wish you the best! 👍🏾
It's a constant battle and a fine line to try to walk, finding the line between promotion and coverage. On some level, even the most even-handed coverage of a product can be viewed as promotion because it's a piece of content about something that is for sale and you may end up influencing people to buy it.
I think TH-cam/Google shoulders the blame for the development of this algorithm and pushing the sales integration into the platform which incentivizes the click bait titles and thumbnails and embedding of product links and promotions into the content.
I think you're doing a great job, BTW. Definitely keeping it real and trying to encourage people to use what they have and improve their skills rather than buy new stuff all the time
I suspect the front USB-C port will give BM the chance to develop a small screen alternative to the EVF. But as someone who does a fair amount of shoulder work still, having the full array of buttons on the side, along with a screen you don’t have to fold you like you do on the Ursa cameras, all adds up to a huge design plus as far as I’m concerned. In fact I will be shedding my last Ursa once the Pyxis becomes available. Mounted to a Tilta Lightweight Shoulder Rig it will work well for light duty run and gun. On sticks? Well I already own a Portkeys Bluetooth monitor which will let me make basic adjustments or I rig my phone to the top handle for monitoring and control. For those with a Pocket camera, the Pyxis line provides a solid step into entry-level cine builds (SDI, dedicated timecode in, dual CFExpress with hot swapping for long format live recordings, a real multi-hour battery, an EVF option worth owning and one that will follow you into the bigger cameras, dedicated Ethernet, a real Lemo style external power connector, etc.). Now does it make any sense in the real world for a Komodo or Sony FX6 user to dump their Red or Sony rig to pick up a Pyxis? Almost never. Those cameras are more expensive for a reason. But I do see the Pyxis as a solid piece of equipment for a lot or users. And the way I’ve been seeing FX3 cameras rigged these days into box format cages with the touch screen framed up *on the side* of the build, the Pyxis fits in with a number of current camera designs.
Nice to finally see some straight talk about how this is nearly the same thing as the full-frame pocket that was already picked through at length (whereas all the blog posts and TH-cam raves just go down the feature list without reference to what's already there), though it's not a 6-year old sensor - the full-frame sensor is one year old and grounds-up different. Yeah, there are improvements that didn't matter to you, but they're huge for some users/use cases like me/mine. The BP-U battery interface accommodates high capacity versions that the BMPCC's NP-F550 slot restricted to less than an hour of use, without slinging an external dock. I'm gonna love the extra pixels in the 3:2 open gate capture: there's no downside to having more image to reframe later, besides storage space which is a nominal concern these days. I'm in the minority who prefers the side monitor location: this is going to be my static master shot camera and whenever I'm setting mine up, I like standing next to the camera, especially when there's no room to stand behind it. I put in my order right away, excited that compared to the full-frame Pocket, this one gives me native EF, leveraging the full-frame EF lenses I got for my BMPCC6K Pro. And let's not forget what asses like Sony would charge for this!
My only critiques are that they ought to have engineered a Wi-Fi remote control/viewing capability in the strategy of Z-CAM's pioneering box cameras, tamping down the criticisms of the side monitor. And, they did a poor job explaining that this will only take the new viewfinder with a USB-C port, for which they haven't yet created a product listing/SKU/pre-order plan.
I've got the fullframe pocket. It's great if you like braw, really nice image the olpf is very solid. The colours are very nice.
I'd rather just buy a second fullframe pocket then the new box camera though, they should've released the apsc 12k in that body.
Hey, like I said, it's a good camera and if it fits your needs, then go for it. I'm more so reacting to the stupid YT hype. I really do think this is the same Sony sensor that's been around the block for 6 years
@@PhillipRPeck Ah, I thought you were saying it's the same sensor Blackmagic has been using for 6 years. I do wonder why so few do teardowns on these things to identify the sensor model, which has got to be incredibly easy to deduce (just takes one user among millions). But bayering has much more impact than the silicon of the sensor, and this is where Blackmagic beats Sony constantly.
I too share the lack of love for this sensor for what I do. It shines for anamorphic shooters for sure but the limitations for frame rates/rolling shutter/autofocus are very real for some workflows. An EF 6K Pro in this body style would have been incredible. For me, where you can do 60fps is the line, and this camera exceeds S35 but doesn't quite make it full frame with the 2.4:1 crop. I am personally very hopeful for a V2.
What's the better alternative for the price?
The a7s3 is an infinitely better camera for the same price .
@@2424rocket Sony's colour science is very video like. They're dishonest with dynamic range, and lied about 16-bit external recording given the sensor doesn't even have a 16-bit ADC. Internally they only offer 10-bit and if internal is the route Sony applies so much noise reduction and sharpening to the raw signal that resolution can look quite clinical.
IMO, I'd go for: Lumix S5IIX, a used S1H or BS1H, Fujifilm X-H2S, used a7SIII (ProRes RAW instead of BRAW is admittedly problematic if that is primary concern)
I'm only 90 seconds into your video and I have a feeling that I fully agree with you. The screen is beyond ridiculous.
Thank you…thank you…thank you! All your points hit on everything I thought when I saw those clickbaity videos. Unless they’ll make a financial profit selling their Komodo X, why would they downgrade to a Pyxis? Plus, most of these cameras do external RAW (some of them even internal RAW)….for a cheaper price on the used market. Thanks for confirming all my thoughts on this release.
FINALLY! An honest, level headed, non ‘fanboy’ review. Thank You!
Choose the best acronym for PYXIS keeping 13 stop dynamic range in mind. Reply in comment
1. Perhaps You'll X-perience Image Sadness.
2. Purely Yet X-traordinarily Ineffective System.
3. Pathetically Yielding X-clusively Illogical Scenes
4. Please Yield - Xtremely Inferior Sight.
5. Pretends to Yield X-cellent Images, Sike!
6. Pointlessly Yielding Xero Image Success.
7. Permanently Yielding X-clusively Insufficient Shots
8. Probably Your X-worst Investment in Sightseeing.
I think #5 is my favorite. You're my hero
I believe the #1 complaint with shooters who left, or who still shoot with BM is form factor. I personally moved from Sony to BM. I absolutely love the BM look I get from my 6K pro.
I believe the issue with BM has never been the sensor or DR or low light capabilities, autofocus etc.. AF & battery life, gimbal use can be all fixed with better FORM FACTOR & rigging.
& the guys going crazy about it are the same peeps that have either used to shoot with BM, Own BM’s or know the BM “look”.
A lot of these guys would’ve loved the exact same camera (from years ago) but just in a cube.
I own the BMPCC 6K pro & I would trade it in for the exact same performance and internals for a cube shape any day ALL DAY..
Hype or no Hype I’d still order the BM PYXIS
I would just do with the BS1H with a VideoAssist,
This would be better in my opinion
What a fantastic common sense review. I was feeling the same and I backed away from the generic TH-cam hype wagon of all the same big channels spewing carbon copy info. Very much appreciate your thoughts on this. Awesome 🔥🔥
Technically you're right. And may be you're right if your are one man band for shooting stock footage, small documentary. However this is a good camera who is doing low budget movie. Usually DP need camera assistant. This new LCD monitor is very handy for input Metadata, such as information of slate. The shape of camera fits for any camera stabilizing gears. The BMPCC is already known as a good Cinema Camera considering its price. Dual ISO, Blackmagic RAW with 13 stops dynamic rage(this is big different from non dual ISO dynamic rage). This is why they put the name "Cinema Camera". I am using many cameras from many other manufactures. And I believe there is no bad camera. Depends on what kind of project you're working and how much budget you have, you can choose Alexa 35 through DJI Pocket3. I hope you can show pro and cons for your next evaluation of new gears, so I can learn and enjoy your chanel. :)
PS: Bt the way I am not gonna buy PYXIS 6K but I love to buy URSA Cine 12K. I already have BMPCC 6K, 4K, FX3, Canon cameras for low budget or my personal project.
I mean I’m fine with the BlackMagic cameras and their limitations and now I can finally get it in a box style after almost 9 years of waiting.
For anyone not happy with it there are many other options out there as you mentioned.
But I agree, people should know what the get and not get it because of the hype and then be disappointed.
Get the new 12k if you're worried about more dynamic range it has 16 stops or the used 4.6k ursa which has 15stops. I think the 13 stops is more than enough quality. Only the technical guys in filmmaking are talking about it. Movie goers don't know the difference. Never hear someone leaving the theater yelling did you see the dynamic range in that movie!!!. It's more than enough and technical guys only try to keep up with new releases of the competition and it's all over kill. We don't need more what are we trying to do see through people LMMFAO!!! Most of the new cameras are great just go out and shoot with what you have or like.
When the Pocket 4K out, people complained about its shape among other things, they wanted full frame sensor. To top it off everyone wanted a flip out screen. Now we finally get a box style camera, with a fixed screen on side. How many independent people have a focus puller on their team? Majority don't. Blackmagic gives people what they want but at the cost of taking features away.
that's why the blackmagic Assist, went on sale..
this box is an expensive starting point...for an old sensor.
@@jmac2050 I'm currently a Sony shooter, but if I really wanted a Pyxis, I would rather get a Lumix s5iix with the reduced price BM assist monitor, which is a way better camera and cheaper and Vlog can match well with sLog3 with a little tweaking.
@@StudioWerkz what do you shoot?
@@bmefilms6879 Mostly law enforcement content, training videos, documentary stuff. Im a 3d animator so I like to film Sci-fi stuff as a hobbyist. Cameras (A7siii, FX30, A7iv, pocket 6k)
We need new sensor tech from BM. 13 stops doesn't cut it anymore. Back to the drawing board they need to go.
It looks like their in-house sensor development is going to the higher end starting with the original Ursa 12K and now the new 12K and 17K sensors. I believe their lower end cameras are all off-the-shelf sensors to keep the price down. Maybe the 12K tech will trickle down to the PYXIS level eventually
Bruh you crushed my dreams of getting this camera 🤣🤣 but you’re actually right about everything you said here. First TH-cam video about this camera that brings it down to earth. And if you’re right about this being the same sensor as the a73 then it makes since as to why it’s priced so low. I’m sure we’ll see the “pro” version next year with internal NDs and an articulated monitor
Crushing people's dreams is my number one goal. Heh, not really... I'm sure it's a great camera that will work for a lot of people, I'm just annoyed by the constant hype cycle
Dude, first rule in life, don't let someone's uninformed view sway your life choices. This guy hasn't ever used this camera (or anything since the OG). Buy it and don't look back.
Just get an URSA 6k. You don't need a full frame.
Great points. I think those that say they prefer the Blackmagic look are probably subconsciously doing so based exclusively on color science now. Everything else quality wise with the image is pretty much the same on other cameras now. Dynamic range, rolling shutter, bit depth, compression(mostly), and read-out speeds are, as you've pointed out, not any better with the Pyxis. Really the only thing they have going for them is the color science and some might argue a superior codec, but that lead is very small and will only diminish going forward. They need to get the form factor right and get price more competitive again. This camera is too big for having the same guts as a BMPCC 6k. If they were able to basically shrink the BMPCC 4k to the size of the Micro Studio Camera 4K G2, then they could have made this one much smaller. Definitely going to require a larger gimbal. I'm guessing the push to keep that size screen is what bloated the entire design. They should have just shipped it with a stripped down video assist that could navigate the menus and skipped the built in screen.
It's a repetition of the same weird design choice with all the Pockets since the 4K, a giant LCD on the back which made those cameras oddly wide. But now they've stuck it on the side where it necessitates using a second monitor... but then why have such a high quality fixed LCD in the first place?
The Komodo has noticeably better DR compared to the Blackmagic FF sensor. It’s SIGNIFICANT.
Well blackmagic did say its the same camera in a box version that its customers have been begging for and sounds like it was designed at the same time. At least they listen to their customer base.
I think this camera makes sense if you're already in their ecosystem and need a 2nd cam, opposed to wasti g time trying to color match different systems.
I’d still take this over the Panasonic or Nikon options for the SDI output alone. That’s always been my gripe with the pocket cameras, along with rolling shutter performance which unfortunately hasn’t improved yet.
Such an eloquent way of describing. Immediate sub. I still think this is a good option. With an external recorder or EVF, there's no reason to get the 6k FF.
BLackmagic should just leave the pocket line as it was.. but make this rectangle cam with their new sensors, dialed down to 8k.. that way we get 16 stops dynamic range so it feels new.
I wanted the 6k full frame... and I hesitated on last year's release, bc I wanted something more gimbal friendly vs my 6kpro.
I just want to finally use full frame with my full frame glass... and I have all EF glass, so I preoderee that one...
On the fence to switch it to L ... that's where I'm torn.
If you know you'll never use L-mount lenses, then go for the EF. You will save the money that you'd have to invest in a good EF to L mount adapter
@@PhillipRPeck put ur point u made is on L is hittin hard with me... there are some cool lenses coming out on L and I'm trying to decide to future proof for newer glass as L can convert to anything...
I have over 10 EF lenses and I did not want to extra cownose of an adapter(those the ef version kinda has one).... and like u said u can find an adapter possibly that has ND...
I'm gonna go to BH and think this over... lol.
But ur right BM makes cameras that are cliffhangers.... that's annoying... I guess that's how they keep the doors open... why give u everything when youtube fan boys will gaslight ppl into neeeeeding the next thing, even if it's refried beans..
I just want to experience full frame, and hoping have easier time with gimbal, which prolly means I too am focused on the wrong thing... smh
U and a few others are voices of reason... focus on ur skill on the art...the comprehensive process of film making..
Thank you!
Cheers.
Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated. I think BMD does the best it can to offer as much for as little as possible. Any camera is full of compromises but if this is the one that has enough of the features you want then go for it!
Great video but you didn't mention the biggest issue in my opinion. What’s with the power button, the card slots and all the IO being on the back? Now there’s almost no way to design a v/g-mount plate that will fit because there’s not enough space. How am I supposed to power external accessories with a BP batterie? Plus its not gonna be balanced for the operator. Doesn't seem like anyone ever though of that at BM lol. imo manufacturers should just go the Arri way with an EVF combined with an LCD like the MVF-2, and if they want they could also build a dedicated camera control monitor like the CCM-1 (i wonder if the BM video assist could have a camera control update via software lol). Instead, they should just make a small calculator-like LCD on the side so we can access the menu but thats it, no need to see the video feed on the camera.
Good point!
$3000
Core snaps batteries could work for ur scenario.
@@pinadrummer84 hmmm nah, it would look stupid and wont work on proper sets. The pricetag being 3000$ isn't a reason for being complacent about the design IMO. Good design doesn't cost more then bad design, so might as well think it through.
Great video. You make a lot of sense. Personally I’ll just stick with rigged out Pocket 4K and 6K. I see no pressing need to upgrade.
Yes, we already know it's not a new camera. The flexible form factor for the price is EXACTLY why everyone is excited... including me. The LCD on the side is just for menu/offline checks. Everyone would automatically be using a 7" 12G HDR. Even if the 4" LCD panel flipped out... I wouldn't use it because it's too small. You already countered your "own argument" about the BM side LCD by saying you wouldn't want to use the top LCD on the Komodo X. Yeah, because the Komodo screen is only 2.9". It's also too small to use. And the Komodo X is three times the price. This is why people are going to be selling their Komodo X and buying the PYXIS 6K. Nice try man, but I don't see any of your gripes as convincing.
The difference, as I explained, between PYXIS and the Komodo X for instance is the side screen is 1080p, 1500NIT, HDR--great quality! Whereas the Komodo screen is not any of that. 4" is plenty big enough to use as a primary display for shooting, IMO. The Ursa Mini Pros/12K all have the same size flip out screen.
@@PhillipRPeck Box camera doesn't mean it's out-of-the-box ready. Every professional the uses a box camera shoots with an external monitor. I'm very excited about the Pyxis, and I'll be pre-ordering the Pyxis as soon as it's available.
@@andynonimuss6298 Great! Glad you're excited for it. I hope you love it
I think it's the same sensor
I've been a BMPCC user for years and have been wanting to step away from the awkward pocket form factor while staying with their BRAW, budget and functionality. This camera was supposed to be for shooters like me, but you are totally right, I'm just not getting it with this design. The community going bananas for this camera is just baffling to me and feels like they just want a box for a box' sake. The lens mount doesn't even seem to be interchangeable which is just insane if the whole idea behind this camera is customisability.
More power to you if this is exactly what you want but I just don't see it. I'll pull the trigger on the Ursa Mini 4.6k G2 now.
Just curious what is such a critical difference between a box design and a pocket with a cage? I have Cinema 6K in the cage, there is no inconvenience at all :)
I don't quite agree with everything you've said. What stands out to me is that the box camera style allows for rigging etc, which is nice and does have a tangible impact on how the footage looks, largely because you can change your style of camera for each shoot. So handheld becomes much more handheld (if you know what I mean) unlike a mirrorless which is never going to be as comfortable as for handheld etc.
I personally use a Sony A7siii and the auto focus with low light performance plus 10 bit 4 log is 85% in the cinema look. But with all the other advantages for everyday use. I wouldn't want to use RAW with it though. Blackmagic is miles better for that along with RED. I would genuinely recommend not bothering with RAW on a Sony camera like that. It's just not the same experience.
The biggest stand out feature for me is the connectivity of this camera and the ecosystem BM is developing. I think that's what you do not get with mirrorless. SDI is significantly better than HDMI for studio use. USB port for a EVF is a really good idea. Hopefully also means monitor for the operator and additional port for streaming. Memory options like SSD storage out is genuinely brilliant and I wish I had that.
But the biggest feature might be the ethernet port for studio use. Imagine just shooting with 4 of these in a studio and the footage is being automatically uploaded to your NAS system?
But I do appreciate what you're saying. You can get good results with other things but it is the useability of this camera. I also completely agree with the screen placement and the fact that they're not offering a screen that can control the menu externally. So to change menu settings you have to go to the side of the camera? Madness.
But everything else is a good idea.
And don't forget, a new body simply needs a new sensor and processor. So next year they might add in a new sensor and sell a $5k model.
Thanks for your comments. I agree that the camera checks a lot of boxes for certain workflows and a rigged out mirrorless camera will still be missing some features like integration into BMD ecosystem, Ethernet, and SDI. But I also think that individuals and businesses who need these features kind of already know that. It's where TH-cam ding dongs are trying to hype up the camera for everyone else, solo content creators or enthusiasts who don't need those features but are susceptible to the hype--that's all I'm trying to push back on
In sticks, this cam side screen is amazing tbh, and the form factor is great. Eye piece is also amazing. This cam is made to be rigged the F out, so add a monitor on top. The side screen is for settings and sticks, don’t over think it. I love everything about it EXCEPT, the rolling shutter readout. This camera kicks the shit out of the burano.
Like I said in the video, it's a fine camera that might suit your needs, I'm just reacting to the stupid hype
If you think this camera kicks the shit out of the Burano you are a budget film maker that isn't really out there working on productions. You're speaking from a low end budget mindset (which there is nothing wrong with that because we all start from somewhere) however I can say the fx30 kicks the shit out of this camera. Any working professional knows why they're paying 25000 for that camera. And let's not act like this camera has half of what the Burano has packed in it. It's a low end camera for people that wanna get into more serious filming. So stop with the copium.
@@yusei151 the fx30 image isnt even remotely close to blackmagic.
@@bmefilms6879 Wait, did you actually watch Top Gun Maverick? That was shot on the Vinice the big bro to the Burano and it looked stellar.
@stephenhigginbotham8523 what does the venice have to do with the fx30?
Agree with everything except Redcode being a better codec than Braw. Have worked extensively with both and I much prefer Braw.
Just curious what you prefer about BRAW? Efficiency? File size? Color science?
I Just Subscribed to your channel. Why? BECAUSE of your HONEST very Specific Review. Your channel will GROW…. ( I AM CONVINCED) PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep it up… WE NEED MORE HONEST REVIEWS ON TH-cam .
Totally on point. Is it an exciting camera for $3K ? Sure. I think so, is it better than a Komodo to sell your Komodo ... ahem ... ummm ... no ? LOL. But to each its own. Thank you for your calm and sensible analysis. I wish other TH-camrs would take the time to think this through before posting crazy thumbnails with silly advice.
I agree with you on so many levels! Why would I pay for this clunky thing (Pyxis) when Nikon offers the z8 & z9, both of which i own and use. They come with an insanely fast readout sensor that practically eliminates rolling shutter up to 8K60 RAW and 4K120 RAW with NO CROP! I feel like Nikon doesn't get the credit they deserve for what those 2 cameras offer! Tons of Codecs and framerates to choose from, AMAZING sensor, etc. The Z8 is only $1000 more
Stop making sense
It definitely should be a good camera... But damn... The dynamic range and no built in nd filter kinda makes me pass. It's the BMCC 6k in a different box. I think the pocket 6k pro gives me more
I feel the same way about the people making those hype videos, they don't even own the camera, they were given a loaner to promote it. From what I understand it's no different image wise to Pocket 6k, uses the same sensor. Picture quality is I'm sure as lovely as the Pocket 6k. My gripe with it is it's really designed only for cinema, as freelancer, I value flexibility and ease of use. This camera isn't really good for sit down interviews because it has only one xlr audio port. It only films in RAW. There are many jobs that are quick turn around or color grading RAW isn't needed, or someone else is doing the editing and they don't use DaVinci. Not having a flip out screen, no ND, no ProRes, or H264... I could go on but you get the picture. I think BM sales are going to suffer because this camera is designed for a small niche. For Pocket 6k users this isn't really an upgrade and you're trading value and flexibility for single purpose camera. I like the idea of a box camera the form factor is nicer than the "pocket" but BM ruined it with odd choices.
Just waiting for the lawsuit over the trademarked Pyxis name, which is a machine that manages and dispenses medications.
I mean any blackmagic camera is a beast, package that in a box format like most people wanted and it will sell like hot cakes 🤷🏽♂️ Creators don't need revolutionary, they need practical.
Like I said, I'm sure it's a fine camera that will work for a lot of people. I'm just reacting to the hype
Agree with you.
Leaving aside the insane choice of the fixed screen.
But why to limit the framerate at 48p for the 6K DCI 17:9 and not extending it to 50p (which has a massive crop)?
Can argue that's because of the choice of an old sensor to cut the cost on a "budget" cinema camera of 3k dollars.
To me, shape aside, the Pocket 6K pro was a much better proposition for its money with same to better performances with its even older super 35 sensor.
Anyway thanks for this video, glad there are still people with their own opinion on YT, out of all the hype of most biased reviewers and fanboys that seek brand loyalty like a religion.
I mean, you can always just use this camera in Super35 to get a fast readout.
@@geoffreybassett6741 Yes right, but then what's the point to have a "New large Fullframe sensor" if I have to consider the heavy crop factor, different FOV and DOF and a hit in resolution, noise performance and overall quality, all shooting at just 50p?
Kinda agree. But in the other hand, it's a great entry level cinema camera.
All the nit-picky, negative push back on the Pyxis just confirms my belief that most shooters are just Type-A, minutiae obsessed folks who are never satisfied, even when given what they asked for. (Note: I hear all the criticisms sitting in front of their TH-cam streaming setups...but never see their footage.)
You're looking at the footage. How do you think we're appearing on your screen?
Except the Lumix cameras are junk and spec cameras. The image quality doesn't hold up and don't care what the specs or sensor are. Lumix cameras besides the S1H cannot process fast enough or handle the data coming from the same sensor. That's why the image doesn't hold up and why AF doesn't work correctly.
Bro I’ve been saying this. LUMIX image is absolutely junk. The only cameras with getting is S1h, and varicams
Lol, You can get a Lumix camera and a video assist if you want B Raw. The Lumix camera image holds up just as much as any other 10 bit image.
you must be a troll. Panasonic colors are way better than some of the others. An the new S5iix is good for AF. So GTFOH😅
@@LumixGang To add to your point, most of these cameras that exist in 2024 all do external RAW. All of these images have stunning high resolution and can be pushed and pulled to a colorists’ delight. Saying these images are junk is wild and silly. I’ve seen S5ii images color graded to look like Wes Anderson films, with no issues.
100% agree with everything you haave said.
Even if the 4" LCD panel flipped out... I wouldn't use it because it's too small.
Dude I can’t tell if you’re just not familiar with higher end cameras… but the Pyxis offers what $10k+ cameras have for 1/3 the price. The design of the body is huge man, not sure why you keep saying it’s not a new camera. The Red Raptor is the same sensor as the helium, but the raptor is a MUCH better camera. All sensors are good, it’s not really about that anymore. This has a 3:2 ff sensor, in raw, internal. The only other camera that does that is Alexa mini LF. Offering all the IO of a production camera with 12 bit raw and a 3:2 sensor, I think you may be missing how huge of a leap this is for the middle tier market. This ain’t a doc camera, for sure, but for commercial, narrative, editorial, etc, it offers more bang for your buck than literally anything else. Making comparisons to hybrid cameras needs to stop. Oh and complaining about it not having a monitor is just silly dude :) if you do filmmaking on any professional level, you’re attaching a monitor. No hate, I think you just may have missed what is so intriguing about this release.
Why can't it be a doc camera?
I've been a cam op on a production that was broadcast on Bally Sports channel ("Set Apart") and I personally didn't rig an external monitor to the camera because I didn't need the camera to be any heavier or unbalanced than it already was; so your contention that "... filmmaking on any professional level, you're attaching a monitor" is untrue. The onboard monitors of Canon EOS cinema cameras we used are perfectly usable with excellent clarity, focus assist tools and a waveform that is easy to toggle on/off.
Hybrid cameras are used in feature films quite frequently. Aside from I/O, there's practically no difference between the Pyxis versus any of the other cameras I mentioned in the video so long as they can output RAW video
Preach 🗣️
The fixed screen is a bit of a head scratcher.
Even if the 4" LCD panel flipped out... I wouldn't use it because it's too small.
God I can't hear another "It's fixed to the side of the camera" bad take. It's a cube camera, it's supposed to be rigged out and the screen is vastly more generous than anything found on a RED, Z-CAM and most other cube style cameras. The camera being bad and the camera being not for you are two different things.
well im gonna get this camera anyways, i do have the ursa and pocket 4k so no problem. i guess im a collector haha
Collect 'em all! Like I said in the video, if it fits in your workflow (sounds like it will) and has features that you need/want, then it's a fine camera. I was just trying to bring a healthy dose of reality/skepticism to the hype parade
@@PhillipRPeck well it will fit my workflow i only do shortfilm in which the producer is me. so no problem, i love braw. i hate prores. dont care about the side monitor because im gonna get a monitor anyways...all the complaints im hearing is nothing me, i honestly have 2.5k and the bmd4k lunchbox until now those shoot only @30fps i only care about the image quality it produces. i have the ursa for the slowmotion and pocket also. so no problem at all. honestly all the complaints of others just wait for 2-3 years then it will addressed hehe.
Sanity. Its the same sensor. Bm keep saying so.
It's similar to the Sony A7S3 to the fx3
Camera reviewers are definitely out of control. That's all I'm going to say.
If it had come with ND then I would disagree with you.
It IS the same sensor as the cinema 6K, he said that in the announcement video... But people keep complaining about things like the monitor, or the audio port, but this camera isn't meant for people for whom those things are an issue. this camera is meant for someone who is, like you said, going to rig it out with a separate monitor, and only use the built in monitor for the menus. this camera has a very specific target customer... it is also, like you said, not new. Zcam has been doing the exact same things for years at the same price point. I compare these things better in my video on it th-cam.com/video/BJ3MWs7ELn4/w-d-xo.html
I said it's the same sensor as the a7III, S1, S1H, Z6, Z6II, Zf, S5, S5II, S5IIX, AND the 6K Full Frame. I also said that the people who this camera is for (professional indie cinematographers like you), should totally get this camera if it makes sense for them; but my beef is with the YT hypesters who want to convince everyone that this camera is the second coming.
Everyone who wants to know how it compares to Z-Cam, go watch th-cam.com/video/BJ3MWs7ELn4/w-d-xo.html
@@PhillipRPeck yeah, I was confirming your statement. you said you think it is the same, I'm saying you're right. that's exactly what he said in the announcement. and yeah, im also annoyed at all the TH-cam videographers either calling this camera a "game changer" even though its not doing anything new, or calling it "flawed" when its not meant for them. that's the impetus for my video on the subject.
Always something to complain about, BM can never catch a break
I think they'll be okay
Unmovable screen... Thought I didn't get it the first time during the presentation and on their renders. How silly could it be to mount a screen on the side?! Turns out that what they're going with. Also the other issues are very true and relevant as well, been popping in my head throughout the presentation. Like surely that body would allow internal NDs, surely there is some basic AF, surely its a newer sensor... why would they offer this product otherwise?! XDDD
Its like BM aims at industry professionals, but only able to make products for video hobbyists... and youtube reviewers.
It is quite amazing how people that have not tested a camera can talk about the image quality. If you think this is hyped up, maybe you shouldn't fall for it and do a review after actually having the camera in your hands? Just saying.
When it comes to not hype up this camera, you're not it.
Quality is a known item, since Blackmagic straight up told us "the sensor is the exact same one as the BM CC 6k, so footage will match."
@@danielshepherd7306 So? What is your definition of image quality? Are you looking at spec sheets or what you actually get when you talk about quality? If you are looking at paper sheets keep im mind that the Alexa/ Alexa Mini LF Alev 3 sensor was launched in 2010, that´s 14 years ago. Fourteen. I don't see anyone complainign about the "quality" coming out of those models. two years after the launch of Alev 4 (Alexa 35). Let's not get into how far back the FX6 sensor goes... The BM Cinema Camera sensor is amazing and the image it produces is second to none. (Or second to Alexa 35...)
Finally, you’re a guy who knows what they’re talking about! I’ve been freaking out with people hyping this crappy box camera. It has crappy rolling shutter, bad dynamic range, and is not good in low light. Why would anybody want it. I’d rather have the older a7s3 which by the way is now the exact same price as the black magic box camera. And so much better. I’m holding out for the. A7s4… or something of that quality level. Thank you for making this video… These people that are selling their Komodo for this box camera are out of their fucking minds!
a7SIII is fantastic
For real. They’re fortunate to have a Komodo X…which is expensive, considering the other options on the market. Now these TH-camrs are going crazy for a new product and DOWNGRADING for it? It’s borderline lunacy.
Am I missing something here? People asked for this camera and Blackmagic gave it to them. Yet this guy is ranting like he doesn't know who this camera is made for. I doubt anybody hyping up this camera a mislead into thinking it's something it's not. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see anybody touting it as so sort of game changer.
A lot of your questions/complaints about the side screen and the ND filters etc were actually addressed by the Blackmagic Rep in interviews on a few other channels. Long story short there will been a Pyxis 2 coming sooner than later. As their firs box style camera at this price point they had to start somewhere.
I for one would love to see them implemented autofocus in these type of cameras and Blackmagic is aware that a lot of people want this as well but they ain't going to put it in unless it's solid. No body wants to have garbage autofocus like the GH series had for years.
I showed a handful of thumbnails and titles from actual videos literally touting it as a game changer and worthy of selling FX6s and Komodo Xs for
@@elliottmoffatporter4572 What do you film? Your channel has nothing on it
@@PhillipRPeck Oh I missed those. That's wild tho. If I was a FX6 user I wouldn't even blink at the PYXIS. Still I do get some of the hype. For better or worse this IS a camera a lot people asked for. At a third of the price of the Komodo X for example they are getting what they paid for. Also one I can grab two PYXIS full rigged out for that price too so I guess it boils down to what you need.
A lot of your complaints I found useless. This camera, and the one I own the Pocket 6k Pro, give me what I value the most: the ability to push and pull the image in post to extreme levels, over 16+ stops in post with Davinci Wide Gamut. I don't care about autofocus, blah blah blah. Yeah, this camera isn't for you so why complain against people who want this? It's just unnecessary
because if a lot of people complain about these features you, the blackmagic camera owner, will maybe have a better camera in the future?
is the fixed screen really a good decision? can you say yes with a straight face?
@@xtazysv Ah, yes that is a good point. No problem with that thinking. My only issue is with the people who tell others not to buy something
Lastly, 99.9999% of every freaking high end cameras on movie or TV series sets / locations across the globe, have a thing called matt box. So, high end Hollywood DPs don't give a shyt about built in ND filters. Only amateurs, TH-cam guys and content creators, whine, sob and bytch about a damn built in ND. 🙄🤦🏾♂️
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My man, I've shot over 8 full length feature films...I can SAFELY assure you, this camera was made strictly for movie DPs. Nothing else. Everything about it screams real cinema camera. If you are not making movies, this camera is definitely not for you. Side display?? On top, they gave you options to mount a monitor or use the damn EVF. I think you just want to whine for no reason. If you are not making movies, stop talking because it's not for you.
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Just don’t buy it then camera looks dope it’s a FF 6K camera for $3k
This camera is perfect, it looks professional, it has a great sensor that is full frame, and is a perfect camera for TV commercials. And for a lot of people that do corporate work too. Of course you’re one of those guys they want to give you everything for $3000. Don’t buy the camera. I have the current full frame version in the old body style. I love the look of the camera and everything about it, but I just hate the body. I hate having to rig it with the stupid battery coming at you in that long annoying rig if you use the mount. This is exactly what I wanted. The truth is unless you do like Sony Venice that has all the combinations pretty much with the neutral density, the three neutral densities that black Magic give you with the 6K pro or just not enough. So you still have to carry filters.
Can't converse or argue with such a dogmatic point of view. Enjoy the camera
This is not the best camera man.
This is a very very very affordable camera with great features. It will be helpful for people with budget or just fresh start.
If you need a more professional system why dont you try something else like Ursa 12k?
Or are you looking for a perfect cinematic camera at the phone price? Seriously?
Are you familiar with the Strawman fallacy?
@@PhillipRPeck exactly what you are doing right now. If the camera is not for you, then you dont have to hate it? right?
Anonymous...now we know who you are!
Creepy...
I am going to buy this camera for sure, because by far it's the ideal form of an entry level BMD cinema camera. I assume BMD had released the 6k Fullframe earlier for some unusual/untellable reason, otherwise it's definitely gonna be a WOW camera if this PYXIS is the first one with the sensor initiating a new product line.
But I agree with you that it is generally exactly the same camera as the BMCC 6K Fullframe, the hype is over exaggerated and most of the TH-camrs are just hyping it for clicks. Talking about the AF or the sensor technology, I think it's quite the prosumer/hybrid videographer oriented perspective, I would rather say it's probably not a direct competition to the hybrid options as the S5iiX etc, as a LUMIX S and BMD user myself, it's more than welcoming that BMD has joined the L alliance and making my L-Mount lens collection serve for more systems. But to be honest, I don't see a better or worse between the PYXIS and LUMIX S, they basically are serving very different shooting scenarios. The core value of the BMD system is as an economic solution for cinematography centers around the BRAW + Davinci Resolve, thus BMD is more likely about film school or indie film production rather than the run and gun one man band style of fast paced jobs IMO.
Based on your review of this camera, I have lost all respect for your reviews. Six years ago, you reviewed the original BMPCC and gave it a favorable review on almost everything. But now you're on a rant, but not really, though, right? I was one of the 1st people in the country to have the original BMPCC, and I also reviewed the camera. You, of all people, should know That when these cameras shipped out, we didn't even have a histogram meter, let alone focus peaking, and please, let's not talk about the screen size. But the incredible image quality and the built-in preamps are basically all we had. If you were an early adopter of one of these cameras, you understood one thing: you could compete with anything on the market for a fraction of the cost, and that concept has yet to be lost on this camera. Reviewing a camera and slamming it before having the physical camera in your hands is dishonest, to say the least, and downright foolish. Yes, I said foolish, and it is a good ole recipe for buffoonery. Had you not given the original BMPCC a good review and owned the camera itself, I would have not commented on this video, but you did, so here we are. Videos for clicks are a real thing, but honesty has honor and, in the long term, builds trust and a loyal following. With that said I no longer trust your reviews.
It's not a review, it's an opinion. I also address why I think BMD cameras used to represent more value and intrigue in the market than they do NOW. Sorry you don't like my content anymore.
@@PhillipRPeck Let's assume you are correct about using this sensor on many other cameras. Why are these other manufacturers offering their cameras at such a high price point if that's the case? The Pyxis 6k comes with Resolves Gen 5 color science and a studio copy of Resolve, so where is the perceived lack of value? You also mentioned the fixed monitor on the camera's left side as a poor choice for a 1st AC. I was a 1st AC for five years and have never used a monitor to pull focus, and I have been in the filmmaking business for almost 30 years. Now, let's talk about rolling shutter. Arri, The King of all digital cameras, also lacks a global shutter. I'm saying this because it isn't an issue if you know how to shoot. I recently shot on the BMPCC 6k with high-speed shots without a single problem onset, and it has the very same sensor. This is the most riggable camera on the market the whole concept of the camera is to make it your own.
Every other camera I mentioned besides the S1H and BS1H are cheaper than the PYXIS. The BMD 6K Full Frame is also cheaper. I wouldn't recommend anyone pay $3500-$4000 for a new S1H or BS1H in 2024 but you can find them used or on sale for cheaper than the PYXIS.
How many productions with the budget for a 1st AC would be using a $3000 PYXIS? Let's be real about who this camera is for.
Resolve Studio is definitely a nice value add. You can still purchase an S5IIX plus a Resolve Studio license for less than a PYXIS.
Not all rolling shutter sensors have the same readout speed. This is silly.
How is this camera the "most riggable" camera on the market? What is the criteria?
@PhillipRPeck I pre ordered one, and once I get ill, I'll show you. And I'll shoot with a full camera crew rolling shutter all. And you have my full permission to pixel peep. Oh, did I mention we won't be using a monitor to pull focus?
Goals
Why are you doing a whole rant on a camera just because people are excited about it? And you actually know nothing about the camera?!
Content, I guess
What? Don't be a turd. This camera is good news for the industry. I don't like that side display screen myself but the rest of the camera is solid. The side screen needs to be on the top of the camera like Komodo.The Komodo doesn't have built in ND's either.
What makes this camera good news for the industry?
@@blackicestudios because its 3 grand and the image blackmagic cameras create are better than most cameras on the market today!
If you don’t like it then don’t buy it! BMD cameras users have been asking for a better form factor camera since the beginning of time and they finally delivered. Stick with the overpriced Sony cameras with horrible color science
3K, 6K, Full frame. That's hype. Monitor on the side, why not. Can't see shit on my tiny Komodo screen. Only gripe, no global shutter. Click bait video.
It's a box camera, for portable operators there no point in having a side screen like that. It's just a pocket 6k in a box with a pointless screen on the side. I actually was excited until realised the screen does not move.
It's targeted at TH-cam content creators, who need to see their own frame. The Sony FX3 is a much better solution for the package it provides, and it has a flip out screen.
@@petersuvara A nice decent screen always beats not having one.
@@petersuvara You really think this is targeting youtube content creators? It's doesn't have good AF for gods sake. This is for short films and filmmakers that shoot corporate work on the side.
For 3000 it's hard to complain
@@geoffreybassett6741 at that price point yes. It’s entry level. Not a bad camera, but missed the mark in my opinion for independent creators that want an all in one package.
A good cheap alternative for small films yes, but not for TH-cam content creators.