I love the addition of the Cleonic dynasty in the show. Makes it more compelling than a strict book adaption. But the whole season 2 arc fundamentally goes against the idea that Seldon had. He set into motion events that are based on the actions of trillions of people over hundreds/thousands of years. But here he is specifically relying on the actions of just a handful of people (Hober Mallow, Brother Day, Demerzel) to ensure the Foundations survival. That is not what the math of psychohistory is!
Alive Seldon said that foundation seldon could never know about the outliers and 2nd foundation. When he had his conversation with Salvor inside the vault is when she set the plan off course, in my opinion.
It actually fits really well into it, their is a theory about time travel that you cannot change major events not because of destiny but just because the players of those events were created by the time and environment they happen in kill Hitler somone eles will rise to creat and lead the nazi party playing off the German people’s anger want of isolation and military mindset for a example. So by useing the math and psychology he’s identifying people who have the potential to be those lunch pin and prepping them for his plan
He's not a hypocrite: he's intentionally provoking Cleon into making unwise and impulsive decisions with the intended result of driving galactic events down predictable pathways that his plan can control. Had Cleon truly been trying to think differently and was less arrogant, he'd have at least grasped the ruse and tried to negotiate... but even well after his death he knew that the Cleons were too arrogant and self-assured of the Empire to ever deviate from predictable patterns.
He did that on purpose so that Cleon in his arrogance would mobilise his entire fleet to Terminus to get them destroyed and thus accelerating the fall of Empire.
@ I signed up for Apple tv for the first season. I was really excited. And then I watched it. Now I occasionally comment on it because they essentially rewrote Asimov. So no need to be so proud of yourself.
@ I’m not sure why you’re so triggered about this. Rewriting Foundation is a bad idea on the face of it. Then to use hacks to do it. Wow. Bad decision after bad decision. Asimov’s Foundation is a classic of the genre. You’re probably in favor of a third grader painting over the Mona Lisa.
@ “I don’t like this.” Doesn’t equate to bad writing decisions. Just means you don’t like it. Believe it or not, there is a difference. And triggered? Lol nice projection. It’s the way your type feels the need to condescend with your opinion when it’s just that, an opinion.
@@FTLNewsFeed I do. Asimov would be considered "woke" in his day as well, and he would love this series. You think an immigrant Atheist jew would be conservative? Not to mention he was a socialist fighting fascists in spain in 1930.
I love the addition of the Cleonic dynasty in the show. Makes it more compelling than a strict book adaption. But the whole season 2 arc fundamentally goes against the idea that Seldon had. He set into motion events that are based on the actions of trillions of people over hundreds/thousands of years. But here he is specifically relying on the actions of just a handful of people (Hober Mallow, Brother Day, Demerzel) to ensure the Foundations survival. That is not what the math of psychohistory is!
Alive Seldon said that foundation seldon could never know about the outliers and 2nd foundation. When he had his conversation with Salvor inside the vault is when she set the plan off course, in my opinion.
It actually fits really well into it, their is a theory about time travel that you cannot change major events not because of destiny but just because the players of those events were created by the time and environment they happen in kill Hitler somone eles will rise to creat and lead the nazi party playing off the German people’s anger want of isolation and military mindset for a example. So by useing the math and psychology he’s identifying people who have the potential to be those lunch pin and prepping them for his plan
@@josephwilson1537how when the plan was veering off course before then?
I read the books back in the day, found them to be very interesting. But also very dry and not terribly exciting. That just wouldn't work for TV.
Wait. Someone explain this to me. How can he have a detailed conversation when the whole point was that his plan only predicted macro-scale movements?
It's like a snippet of his consciousness, so while his predictions are on a large scale, his copy so to say can think and talk shit
Cleon makes good points, Harri is a hypocrite and cheats his own math multiple times.
He's not a hypocrite: he's intentionally provoking Cleon into making unwise and impulsive decisions with the intended result of driving galactic events down predictable pathways that his plan can control.
Had Cleon truly been trying to think differently and was less arrogant, he'd have at least grasped the ruse and tried to negotiate... but even well after his death he knew that the Cleons were too arrogant and self-assured of the Empire to ever deviate from predictable patterns.
He did that on purpose so that Cleon in his arrogance would mobilise his entire fleet to Terminus to get them destroyed and thus accelerating the fall of Empire.
Exactly harri has ego problems and he's no better than the emperors
I love the writing here: "You love him, you'll forgive him, but still... a violation."
This adaptation is garbage.
And yet you’re on youtube watching clips of it 😂
@ I signed up for Apple tv for the first season. I was really excited. And then I watched it. Now I occasionally comment on it because they essentially rewrote Asimov. So no need to be so proud of yourself.
@@avatar-1346 sure buddy. cope a little harder, maybe Apple will decide to cater to you.
@ I’m not sure why you’re so triggered about this. Rewriting Foundation is a bad idea on the face of it. Then to use hacks to do it. Wow. Bad decision after bad decision. Asimov’s Foundation is a classic of the genre. You’re probably in favor of a third grader painting over the Mona Lisa.
@ “I don’t like this.” Doesn’t equate to bad writing decisions. Just means you don’t like it. Believe it or not, there is a difference. And triggered? Lol nice projection. It’s the way your type feels the need to condescend with your opinion when it’s just that, an opinion.
Book was good series was woke garbage.
Delusional
You really don't understand Asimov, do you?
@@FTLNewsFeed I do. Asimov would be considered "woke" in his day as well, and he would love this series. You think an immigrant Atheist jew would be conservative? Not to mention he was a socialist fighting fascists in spain in 1930.
cope and seethe
Truth. And now we will never get an adaption of the books.