My biggest frustration with the whole “modernizing” Snow White is that there IS room to do that. The original Snow White is ultimately about staying positive and kind through years of abuse. And there IS room to expand on that in a more meaningful way that would be super interesting to watch. But NOOO, it has to be about girlbossing
That would be a wonderful way to modernize Snow White by exploring more of her family situation with her stepmother and how she persevered through that. It also wouldn’t demonize any characters that weren’t already evil in the original. No characters would even have to change; all they need to do is show more of their relationship.
The only thing you said that I would add to is that you mention making new stories with diverse characters instead of race swapping, I would argue that a better answer to so many European folklore would be to include more folklore and myths and folklore from historically diverse parts of the world. There are incredible stories from the Caribbean, South America, Africa, Australia and Asia. Middle eastern folklore is ancient and fascinating. Making Ariel black feels like giving black people our leftovers when they could have still cast Hallie Bailey in an incredible piece of folklore from a historically black area. It is very sad that many of these stories are being lost to time and I would love to see more of them to help preserve the cultures they come from.
You know what, that's an amazing point! I literally never even considered it but that's actually so much more important for what could be done in so many modern productions!
@@Just_JudahThere is a WEALTH of mythology and folklore that could be adapted from all over the world, but Disney won't touch it because it doesn't have a pre-existing (domestic) audience. To these corporations, taking a gamble on something that isn't widely known, that doesn't have an audience already in place, is too much of a risk. Never mind that people are STARVING for original content. Never mind that mythology and folklore outside of Europe would be interesting to people of European decent because IT'S NEW and interesting. Never mind that this would be an effective way to achieve "representation" while also giving people who aren't of European decent something that is connected to their heritage. Never mind that all those things would likely draw in a massive audience. No, no, the well-paid consultants all say that it will be too difficult to market something that isn't already part of pop culture, so Big Entertainment won't take the chance, despite the potential for making big bucks if they make a hit.
@@patrickleighpresents749 The thing that's a slap in the face is that Disney CAN still do original stories, like Moana and Encanto. But they still insist on readapting their past movies to capitalize on the audiences these movies already have.
At this point I can't tell if race swapping is meant to piss off people, mock them or a parody of established white characters. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to do that with Chinese mythology gods or Tarzan.
@@Just_Judah oh lord, I don't wanna see Ronald McDonald and Wendy like that just because some twitter freaks demand fast food chains to blackwash their icons for " representation".
@@Just_Judah : She is disgustingly rude, disrespectful, and narcissistic/egocentric. But she did not have a problem with true love/romance when she did the 2021 remake of "WEST SIDE STORY." She behaved well for Spielberg because it was a smart career move. She has now revealed her true self as a spoiled brat.
@@Just_Judah Not just her, but anyone who comes off like this - who was it that told you you were so important and high and mighty, etc. I don't even know why I ask, even rhetorically. I'm never going to find out.
As far as general audiences are concerned, Rachel Z just spawned in like, yesterday in the grander scheme of Tinseltown's century of existence. She showed not only flagrant disrespect for a coworker, but also disrespect for the opportunity literally millions of little girls and young women would practically die for, and the legacy of the whole Snow White brand, as it were.
I watched another video talking about Snow White, and I personally agree with their thought on what "the fairest of them all" really applied to story-wise. The basic idea was that the queen was asking the question out of vanity, however the mirror always said it was Snow White, not only because she outwardly pretty, but because she was also beautiful inside as well, because she was kind and caring, that was what made her fairest, while the queen wasn't due to her being inwardly ugly, jealous and cruel. it's a nicer way to think about it instead of it being about her skin tone.
And honestly, that's the best way to look at it. It gives so much more merit to Snow White as a person. More than just her skin tone, or even her outward appearance, but the beauty of her heart.
I recently rewatched the Original and I'm so confused why she is saying the prince stalked her... we see him once in the beginning to which Snow white likes his company and then at the very end when he thinks she is dead and just saying goodbye. Like I completely forgot he was even in the movie until the end. the prince doesn't even have a purpose in the movie besides being her true love and that's it, like the dude Accidently saved her. the whole plot of the movie is actually about toxic Jealous women with a hint of romance.
LMAO "like the dude accidentally saved her" that's exactly my point and it's hilarious they're trying to claim that he's super relevant and even worse, a stalker.
@@Just_Judah I once had a Disneyland Record of Snow White, an audiobook on vinyl, if you will - we had the queen and the huntsman, etc., and the dwarves singing Heigh-Ho...now there's a prince, where did he come from? 😅 You're right, I don't remember him being around except for th crucial moment. Maybe people are confusing him with the prince in Cinderella.
The reason Snow White is named as such is that she is the fulfilled desire of a wish propitiated by blood magic (Disney left this out in his 1937 animated film). This type of wish is a standard European fairy tale trope, where blood splatters against a white surface, someone witnesses this and finds it beautiful, and it prompts them to wish for either a child or a wife that is white as ( e.g. snow, marble, cheese) and as red as blood. If there is something black nearby, that can be incorporated in the wish, but that is not always the case. In the original fairy tale it is snowing, a queen is doing embroidery and she pricks her finger. Three drops of blood fall on the snow, she finds this pretty and wishes for a child that is white as snow, red as blood, and black as the ebony window frame. She gets her wish and Snow White is born. Originally this queen is the evil queen, but by 1819 the Brothers Grimm changed the tale so that Snow White's mother dies. The European beauty standard of fair skin goes back to at least the middle ages, and is classist as opposed to racist in origin. High born women did not have to work in the fields so that they could keep their fair complexions, as opposed to women who had to work outside. When they liked white skin, they really meant it because white lead was sometimes used as a cosmetic.
@@Just_JudahThat blood magic wish is depicted in the movie Snow White and the Huntsman, the opening scene shows the Queen (future mother of Snow White) walking through her snowy garden landscape and sees a red rose. When she touches it, she pricks her finger and 3 drops of blood fall on the ground. She then wished for a child born as white as snow, lips as red as blood, hair as black as a raven’s and as strong as the rose surviving in winter. I liked this movie and Kristen Stewart’s performance as Snow White because she was strong but also kind considerate and vulnerable. Her mourning the loss of one of the dwarfs who dies was genuine and sincere. She does put on knight’s armor and physically fights and defeats the evil Queen in the end but she remains feminine, not girl bossy at all. I thought the movie was pretty good and Chris Hemsworth was good as the Huntsman who helps Snow White through her trials. The movie doesn’t follow the original 1930s Snow White film but the story as it was rewritten still respected Snow White’s original character feminine qualities while still showing her inner strength getting through her life’s difficulties and winning the battle against the evil Queen.
Remember when Disney once believed that true love conquers all. Now they think love is wrong, weak, and demeaning for women. Well, as long as it's love between a man and a woman.
Remember when basically all Disney movies literally had some sort of romantic plot? Why take that out if that's like a core theme of the franchise? lol
Oh Disney believes in true love. True love for money and self-indulgence. They can't depict simple and pure love because they themselves in modern entertainment are so jaded and overexposed to the grimdark, gritty, and "realistic"/inclusive, which ironically makes them even more fantastical, but in a bad way. I thought the Men V. Women wars had ended for the most part by the 2010s but here is modern Hollywood to blow on the embers and reignite the flames.
In the original, Grumpy is the only one with a character arc and it’s a good one! It makes me sad that we will lose that. I love your take on this situation. Very well said. As a woman with 2 brothers it breaks my heart to see how men are portrayed these days.
I'm also bothered by their "Woman, don't pursue relationships or a family, ew, that's so outdated! BECOME THE LEADER YOU WANT TO BE!!!" Like bro, if you as a woman want to focus on your carrier in your life because that's what makes you happy and don't need/want a relationship, then go for it. If you want a partner and seek happiness in having a family? Go for it. Disney just doesn't get this, they think romance is an outdated concept and want everyone to be a caricature of their "strong independant woman" irl 💀
@@helion_ut Agreed! I don't think there's anything wrong with anyone, male or female pursuing leadership or a career if they want to. But telling everyone else to forsake love, relationships and family for utter independence is just wrong. Everyone should have the option to choose what they want out of life.
Ok I probably shouldn't say the things I'm about tto say, but I'm opinionated sometimes sooo 1The whole whiteness of Snow White's skin is not about racism. It's a historical thing. Snow White was created at a time when being a lady meant staying out of the sun. If you had tanned skin, it was because you were outside working the land, doing manual labour. If your skin was white it was because you were rich enough that you didn't have to do that. So having white or pale skin was something to be proud of. I think this was the case for other cultures too, not just german (where the original story was set) or western. I think having pale skin is craved by many asian cultures too such as Korea or Japan. 2. What I love about the original show white, and what I wish we could promote is that she was a kind and gentle person. She stayed strong, even through the hardship in her life. She didn't need to be physically strong, because there was nobody that she envisioned fighting. Even the huntsman didn't attack her, not because he couldn't fight her, but because she was a kind person. Perhaps being a kind person is better than being strong? I guess I would just love if modern films taught us to be kind, mentally strong and tolerant and inclusive of others and how to be optimistic during hard times. (not toxicly positive, just how to be grateful for what you have) Ok I hope I didn't offend anyone. This was a great video. Thanks.
Okay seriously, thank you for both 1. and 2. I love bringing any sort of discussion and critical thinking to these sorts of topics because it doesn't happen often. I actually totally understand the subtle nuances of those cultural significances when it came to the manual labor vs having enough wealth to not get more tan thing. It's just that when applied to a western narrative, considering how much influence the west can have in the world at times, it CAN come off kinda racial. And I think some people, NOT ALL, do view it that way. And it can be kinda harmful when applied in that fashion. As for 2. Kindness is so underrated just in general. Especially in the modern day. It absolutely should be seen as a type of strength considering how easy it is to be negative and spiteful to others. Thank you for watching either way, truly appreciate it!
@@Just_Judah Such a great reply! Thanks for replying and for giving me something to think about. I understand what you meant, about the west having a big voice and that it should have a positive message with that voice. As I said, I enjoyed your video and look forward to watching more.
@@JixieDyeAuthor As always, I love a great discussion! It makes all the difference for us to put our minds together with various perspectives to understand everything as a whole so much better. Really appreciate it!
I think people thinking of Snow White in a „racial manner“ are mostly Americans because every stupid tiny little thing there is about race. Isn’t it obvious that in a country where you even have to fill out your „race“ on everyday forms like bank account applications, that people WILL MAKE EVERYTHING ABOUT RACE??? By the way in Germany we can’t even translate that word properly because the concept that is behind that us not a thing here. Sure we also have migration issues but if you would hear someone asking what „race“ you are we probably would stare at you because it simply doesn’t matter in everyday life. At most you will have to give nationality on very official applications. „Race“ translates to „Rasse“ which we only use for animal breeds. The last time Germans used the word „Rasse“ when referring to humans was in the third Reich and we now know that such a thing as a „race“ does not exist. Let that sink in what that implies for the current state of America.
I hope you don’t find me rude or offensive but I found this actress, absolutely intolerable and insufferable and I’m sorry she doesn’t look like Snow White, and she needs to look the part, but more than that to me just have the personality of Snow White and we’ve seen time and time again that she doesn’t and it’s not racist to point out that she doesn’t look like her. I’m sorry but it’s not.
Snow White found refuge with the dwarfs She was being stalked by her step mother who wanted snow have her heart cut out. What Snow White wanted was to be loved She was orphaned as and later abused by her stepmom. No wonder she sang of love. Vulnerable people deserve their story
You know that's a good point. The prince wasn't a stalker, the evil step mother was! And true, anyone who's having such a hard time would be dreaming of a more pleasant reality.
Exactly the story is about how a 14 year old girl was not just abused by her step mom. But despite both that AND learning her own step mom wants to KILL her. Snow white keeps her hope, love and compassion that we see through her interactions with the dwarves. Not many people would still be as loving, trusting, and kind as her, if they were in the same situation. That's freaking STRENGTH of a emotional and psychological level. And the fact that Disney and Rachel don't see that, says A LOT about them.
Ironically, Song of the South, the one movie Disney refuses to release, is also their only story based on African American folklore. Think about that. The white guy who wrote it down and published had collected their stories. Bless him, and especially bless all of the original storytellers.
they should cancel this remake I don't care if people want to see how bad this remake is but every-time online I search up movies like BATB, little mermaid, Aladdin etc, these remakes keep showing up and I have to search for the year the original animated movies came out, I honestly want to forget about the remakes at this point 😅😭
I usually only have a race swap problem when the interviews by the cast and creators make it clear it wasn’t an artistic decision but a political one. Like most of the recent race swaps. Or when it doesn’t make sense. You try and race swap Mulan or Pocahontas, or some of the others I’d be annoyed too. Because it doesn’t make sense.
One of my favorite strong female characters is Jody Mills from Supernatural. She's not only kicking ass, being a sheriff, fighting monsters and demons but is also taking care of 3 troubled teenage girls after loosing her husband and son in a horrible way. She also becomes a mother figure for Sam and Dean, a great friend for Donna and Bobby, and still occasionally tries to find romance. She's a hero
I love everything you just explained about the character because it shows how much depth there is to them and how multifaceted they are. They aren't just strong, emotionless people with no intimate relationships with anyone, they care about people and it helps give them strength to do the amazing things they do.
I love your perspective! My favorite badass lady is Leela from Futurama. She wants to be loved so badly and is so sensitive and emotional, but such a fighter and a strong leader and so intelligent. She truly rocks 🎉
Leela's been through so much to be as strong as she is. She's definitely flawed and not too perfect, but also extremely competent while being hilarous too.
Fantastic video! I’m a writer and an artist and I don’t want to boil someone’s character down to their gender. Because, one, it’s an extremely restrictive plot device that takes away from someone character by obnoxiously inserting politics that are not need, and two, it actually a very harmful message to spread to your audience, especially if you’re a company like Disney that panders mostly to younger children. If a show has good writing and great characterization, then people will find a way to like it. It’s not that I have a problem with woke writing. I have a problem with bad writing.
Thank you! Appreciate you for watching. Agreed, there just doesn't have to be so much negativity involved or animosity between genders. Good writing makes a good story, not forcing one group of people to be bad while elevating another.
@@guystudios The same way people knew that the original Sonic character design for the live action movie was bad before it actually was released. Causing them to redesign the character for the whole movie and course correct.
This was an amazing video, I'm really glad the algorithm showed it to me! Your points were really well put! Regarding the Snow White casting, I believe any woman could play her regardless of their skin color. I've seen amazing cosplays of the character portrayed by so many different persons and it works! I always thought they could justify the ''Snow White'' part from the brightness of her smile instead of her skin color. It's really just too bad that the actress they casted doesn't seem to like either the character or the movie/fairytale I'm a woman and also a comic artist who loves writing strong female characters, but I am sad that we're getting ''girl boss characters who doesn't need any man'' instead of strong women who have emotions Sailor Moon (especially in the manga) is a strong and powerful magical girl who often rescues her man, but he also helps her fight. Her love for him makes her stronger, not weaker. She often wins her fights with empathy and kindness, not just power. In Sailor Moon, women are allowed to like girly things, it's seen as a part of their identities. I wish more media would portray women that way instead I don't think that having a discussion about gender inequalities is bad in media, but it is terribly handled right now. Portraying all men as either idiots or evil is not the way to go. You want a vile man as a villain? Then, why not have a good man as one of the main character to show a good example? Overall I'm just tired of the live action remakes though and I wish we would stick to the animated movies Anyway, thank you for your video. I subbed right away!
Okay seriously, the brightness of the smile would be an amazing way to actually work that into the naming convention. I also love seeing people cosplay whoever they want to because at the end of the day, these are fictional characters and showing your admiration for them says a lot. Sailor Moon is an AMAZING portrayal of so many strong female characters who hold their own as well as experience love and romance. Mars was always my personal favorite. But seriously, thank you for watching. Seriously appreciate it! Also would love to see your comics!
Sometimes the people making these remakes and replacing popular established characters are doing this for revenge against the people whose ethnicity the main leads originated from. Mindy Kaling for example has a weird love and hate fetish for white and Indian people so she projects all her negative traits onto Velma and Fred. I don't want this to be for every future artist and writer, however it seems as though writers now are "taking back favorites" so you can't love them anymore. Am I going crazy?
@@ravenloh6677 Oh you're 100% right on that one. She definitely has some kinda hang up between those two groups and it's super evident in her work. But it's just like, who's allowing you to write these stories and get them out to the masses when it's clearly so weird? When I'm willing to bet there's writers out there who make balanced, amazing stories who's works aren't being chosen.
@@Just_Judah I don't know if this is true but a lot of black independent artists and writers are ignored by western media because their projects aren't preaching social justice messages enough and Disney/Hollywood don't have faith in original black and brown characters who just want to be their own people.
@@ravenloh6677 I have definitely heard that before. I can't confirm it for sure but it's definitely believable. You can give a great message and craft great characters without filtering it through the lens of social justice or wokism but these media companies just don't believe that
love your commentary bro, films are meant for entertainment, enjoyment, escapism, unless based on a true story, they then need to be factual, snow white is a fantasy story every child has grown up with, zegler in her own 5 minutes of fame has hopefully destroyed her pathetic career
Appreciate you! Thanks for watching. Man I really miss just being able to put on a movie and know for a fact I'm going to get a good story and have a good time. Now I gotta do research to find out if it's gonna be whack lol
While films indeed offer an escape, they also reflect and shape societal norms. Rachel Zegler’s remarks might have stirred the pot, but it's essential to have conversations about gender roles, even in fantasy stories. Every version of a tale brings a fresh perspective, and Rachel's Snow White seems to challenge traditional portrayals, which is a step toward evolving storytelling. It's less about dismissing the original and more about adapting narratives to resonate with contemporary audiences. Plus, Rachel was phenomenal in West Side Story, which showcases her talent and her star is definitely on a meteoric rise, so let's not rush to judgment on her Snow White portrayal.
I love Snow White. Why is she crapping on a fairy tale? Yikes. 😅 My favorite fairy tale is Betty Boop's Cinderella. The pumpkin singing always gets stuck in my head. In case anyone wants to watch something FUN lol Edit The Terminator movies are some of my absolute favorite films. I grew up watching sci-fi but never related to anyone more than Sara Connor. And I love Genkai from YuYu Hakusho. She makes me not afraid to get old. I'll just get more powerful lol.
Genkai is literally one of my favorite strong women in all of media. A tiny grandma who's tougher than anyone you know and outstanding personality. Her choice to continue to age instead of inhibit it shows how much she honors the nature of life cycles, while still keeping herself sharp. She didn't just age and let herself wither away. Such a wonderful example to set!
Belle is my favorite of the princesses. She was a smart bookworm who fell in love with beast, looking past his appearance and anger issues to see who he really was inside.
Wonder Woman, The Bride (Beatrix Kiddo), Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor are perfect examples of exemplary "strong female" characters. They're strong when they need to be but never lose their femininity or softer side. Being strong doesn't mean having physical strength equal to a man. Sometimes it means ingenuity and perseverance and empathy. And you're right. Dopey was always the cutest and most adorable. As to the race swapping. I know it was blatantly used in the past like having John Wayne play Genghis Khan. His worst movie imo. It wasn't right then and it isn't right today in the other direction. I would love to see original characters and stories created for other ethnicities. There have been some successes (hopefully Blue Beetle picks up more) like The Princess & The Frog, Moana, Encanto, Mulan and Lilo & Stitch as well as Spiderman. Not the live action Mulan btw. I'm dreading what they do to other Disney live remakes because, as we've seen, they totally change the characters from the originals. I love Tiana and Moana..and I'm not really a princessy type. I liked the animated movie princesses but I was more into The Aristocats, Robin Hood, 101 Dalmatians and The Sword In The Stone. In real life I was a huge Nancy Drew, Perry Mason, Wonder Woman, Charlie's Angels and Superman fan as a kid. Kind of still am. LOL. Add Blade and Foxy Brown to that list too after I had time to decide to add in roles from when I was older.
This might be a nitpic, but Princess and the frog is originally set in europe and the princess was white af. How ever, I also feel like it's a good example of when the skin colour is arbitary element in the story. Much like in the little mermaid, she could be of any level of melanin in the skin, since it's not important to the plot. I wish they'd eventually make a more fateful adaptation of little mermaid, since the original is brutally tragic. As I understand the origins of the story; H.C. Anderson was at the time heart broken due to his love marrying and thus blatantly rejecting him. So the story of little mermaid is a story of heartbreak, pain and death in vain. About Disneys Princess and the frog: I too really like Tiana, but I do think that they botched her story somewhat. The pacing was totally off and the story was a little lackluster. It had great elements but fell flat on critical moments.
Thanks for watching, appreciate you! Yeah I totally agree on all fronts! I just wish Hollywood would take a lesson from prior creations that people love and study to figure out why.
Honestly i’m so tired of low effort modern hollywood films 🥲 some content creators here on yt put more effort and love on their vids than the billion dollar movies on Hollywood nowadays xD Btw great commentary bro!
Thank you! Appreciate you for watching. And I didn't even get a chance to get to that but it's so true! There are literally so many content creators out there that are more dedicated to their craft to make better productions than these super expensive, high budget films Hollywood keeps flopping with.
I’m just going to say it as someone who is a biracial Latina. I think casting a Latina woman as Snow White could work, so long as they have, well… hair as black as ebony, skin as white as snow, and lips as red as the red red rose. I mean look at my Abuelita. The photos of her younger self fits that description. And not all Latinos are dark skinned. Some are RUBIO (blonde) and were born in Puerto Rico. Now with the right lighting and effects, Miss Ziegler can look the part perfectly. But she really doesn’t fit the part of Snow White, because Snow White wasn’t the “fairest” because of her outward beauty. It was her heart that made her beautiful. And Miss Ziegler, so far from the interviews, seems to lack in that.
Love this perspective, especially from a biracial Latina speaking from experience and personal expertise. I totally agree on that, I've met so many different types of Latinos in my life with varying features so it definitely could happen depending on the particular casting. But most importantly like you said, Miss Ziegler is seeming to lack the inner beauty for the character.
I love Yona of the dawn. it's a great show in which the main character is the leader of a gang of badasses. She is the embodiment of a realistic powerful woman. the story is how she got that way.
You read my mind! If it's not broke, don't "fix it". If you change the core of the story, you don't have that story anymore. These remakes seem like, instead of giving we, the audience, a great story, these remakes are just checking boxes. You are right, none of these remakes will stand the test of time. People will always come back to the classics for a reason, that reason is that those classics are timeless. This "anything you can do, I can do better, I can do anything, better than you" mindset is not progress. If you have to prop up, you're lead, by sacrificing everybody else in the cast, to make her more prominent, then you're doing the story you're adapting a disservice. Lead female characters, like their male counterparts, need to strive, and train, and work for their successes. Modern "strong, independent women" in modern media need to rediscover feminine qualities. Love, gentleness, compassion, generosity, vulnerability can still be good things to be. Instead, it seems that being a stoic, unemotional, good at everything, know it all, is the order of the day in most female lead action films today. But vulnerability is not to mean weakness. It seems that if the writers, write these female characters without flaws, they are better somehow. The flaws are what makes these characters human.
Exactly! To make a character feel real, we have to be able to identify with them. And if they're perfect with no flaws, then it's unrelatable and boring. But seriously, I just feel like we need fresh material!
Moana and Tiana are one of my favorite because they show how strong feminine traits are, Moana being a future chief of her island and in the end sailing off with some of her people as voyagers but she doesn't come off as someone brash and emotionless, she's honestly full of it and has so much personality. Especially with her dynamic with Maui is really fun, she's determined and funny as well. The same goes with Tiana as she's very hardworking and was able to change a man with his ways, the woman has goals and ambitions and is very determined to make her dream come true and also happened to fall in love in the process of the movie. Love and romance, the very same thing people in modern movies are trying to remove, was able to change a person, a man. And on an unrelated topic here but I know a bunch of media is trying to market itself by having an all women team/cast, but like Turning Red literally had an all women lead but they never advertised it that way and instead marketed the movie through it's story and themes
I love this breakdown of both of those characters and I totally agree with you. I really enjoyed Moana's quirkiness while I also enjoyed Tiana's ambitiousness. They're not the exact same and both have different aspects of lifestyle to offer!
One of my favorite characters from my childhood will always be Mrs. Brisby from The Secret of NIMH. Her husband disappeared, and she's all that her children have left. She's not strong or brave by nature, she's very kind and respectful to others, she has to keep reminding herself when she's scared that everything she's doing is for her family so she can stay strong and do what she needs to, and the world she lives in is both terrifying and magical in its own ways, and a big part of her journey in the film is her looking for help to do what she can't do on her own. She's such a wonderful character, and the complete opposite of all of these raging Girl Bosses who insist you can't have feelings if you want to get anything done
That's a perfect example of a well written character that feels real. Like you can actually identify with those sorts of feelings and actions that have to be taken so you actually like the character being portrayed!
I just started watching Golden Kamuy and i was taken aback that it had a strong female character with an equally strong male character with their own strengths/weaknesses like i can’t remember the last time i saw that without the man being called dumb every 10 seconds
@@Just_Judah lmao I was in 3rd grade when Pokémon popped off. It was everywhere, and we had religious Jamaican grandparents so I had to listen to the whole “Pokémon are evil“ lectures too. 🙄
@@prettykit4 LMAO looking back at it now, those days of "Pokémon are evil" lectures are so funny because it's literally one of the most successful franchises in the world now and while being the one of the most wholesome.
Wait, no, that series has actually concluded. Ash is retired, we got a new cast for the new pokemon series. He can now enjoy his retirement, being 10 years old.
So glad you covered this one my man! Very related to a lot of what we talked about in our last interview. So tired of this shit. There are Well done and loved it!
It’s such a common trend in film and culture that women make jokes about men being useless etc. it’s always been about but it was balanced because men said things back. However the feminism movement made criticism of females socially illegal.
I loved this video. Thank you for making it and articulating all of these great points so well. I was just constantly repeating "Yes! Exactly!", because I feel like most people miss the mark on why these points are so important or why certain things just don't work, but you definitely hit the bulls eye each time. I'd love to hear your take on strong female characters and how to write them. You're awesome, keep up the good work. ❤
Thank you, this is really inspiring to hear! I'm glad I actually took the time to make this one, it was a tough one to articulate lol appreciate you for watching!
My favorite SFL-done-right is Danielle from Ever After. She fell in love and married a Prince, got to wear pretty dresses, and cry when her heart was broken, but she DID do some more active/girlbossy things too, like being ahead of her time socially, saving herself from the perv she was sold to, and saving the Prince from the thieves by literally carrying him off on her back. She was smart and skilled but she also had a temper she didn't always know how to control and it got her into legit trouble sometimes. She's so balanced and even that she's a great role model for anyone. How did 1998 do it better than 2023?
I mean honestly, there's so many things from 1998 that I like better than 2023 so I'm not surprised lol but seriously, that's such a more compelling character than one who's ridiculously perfect!
s @Just_Judah Even the Live-Action remake Cinderella did it better than what this trash Snow White is going to be, or what the trash Belle from 2017 was, and you can argue that Lily James' Cinderella DID go to the ball to meet a guy. Didn't make her any less of a role model on how to be a good person
@@Just_Judah Right? otherwise romance novels wouldn't literally be the bestselling genre on earth lol wanting a partner never meant wanting to lose your independence and autonomy. It just means to you dont want to be alone.
@@gingergoddess8953 and in a world experiencing peak levels of loneliness, we're gonna pretend like taking love and romance out of something originally romantic is progressive lol
"A man kissing an unconscious princess? _WEIRD_ _WEIRD_ I hate Snow White" Also Zegler: Taking the role of a 3000 year old Greek Goddess who crushes on a like 16 year old kid..
In the beginning, the prince was courting her, not stalking. In the end, it was narrated that the prince searched far and wide. Why would the prince search for her? When I was a child, I thought the reason was because the kingdom doesn't have a quern anymore, so need to look for the heiress. Now that I am an adult, I believe, the implication of what was shown was that the power vacuum might have created chaos, so somebody needed to search for the heiress to take charge after the death of the previous monarch. You need to change the story, but you can expand on it.
Positive Feedback Pal here again👋 - I wholeheartedly agree with this statement! I think our generation of corporations just want to seem current and also bring a blast from the past back by remaking it, and it just doesn’t work! The originals are always going to be the best, because they came first and they are what set the standard. I also very highly agree with you saying most of the young actors who are remaking these films, don’t even do their research or LIKE the individual they are playing in a 1-2 hour long movie. Anyway, as you can tell from this long comment, I really enjoyed this video and your perspective. Much love as always❤🙏
If you're gonna play someone in a film, you should not only do your research but at least like the person or character you're going to portray. And remaking things is just so played out now!
It's so nice to see a young man like yourself speaking about poisonous gender politics in film. It seems like most media today looks for ways to divide us humans, rather than exploring qualities we all share. 'Other-ism' weakens us, and turns people against each other. If writing and character development can carry a project, it doesn't need to pander to identity politics.
You hit the nail directly on the head. All of these gender politics are dividing us and turning us against each other when we need each other. We don't have to hate each other or be so hostile to one another.
I'm a bit late to the party, but I just wanna say that in the OG fairytale, the prince only showed up at the last past. He saw Snow White, kissed her and took her away. Fans speculated the prince may be a representation of Death. Giving her the kiss of death and taking her to heaven away from the pain inflicted on her by her evil queen stepmother
This is probably going to sound stupid but I don't want a story about women saving themselves and being the hero and all of that other stuff. I live that every day. And a lot of other women do too and I know they have it worse than I do. I love these original movies because it's a story that you can get lost in and fantasize about finding love 1 day of your own which I have but that doesn't make me any less of a fighter. Just because you love somebody does not mean you are weak.
Hell, loving someone makes you stronger honestly. And they keep trying to suck all the love out of these films for whatever reason. Why can't we have nice things?
Yeah! To be honest, I don’t see anything wrong or out of the ordinary with a young girl like Snow White dreaming to find true love. Shoot, it’s relatable as hell. When I was a hopeless romantic teenager I know I was dreaming about that kind of thing more than anything else! If anything, it’s insulting that they see that very ordinary behavior as not compatible with being a strong woman. Being someone who likes romance does not take away from their other important qualities! And yeah, taking the romance out of a fairytale with extremely romantic undertones changes the entire thing…
It's like even if she wanted to be a leader and powerful, she's not also thinking about love? Why does she have to be some sort of warlord lol It's okay to desire love or enjoy the thought of romance!
I think many Disney fans just call him florin so it isn't confusing but yeah he's the most boring Disney prince and that is saying something because their are some very boring ones, specially from the older movies. Literally snow white escaped death from her abusive step mother, convinced a bunch of strangers to here as a house keeper to shelter herself from her crazy stepmom, used her skills and personality to build a friendship with the dwarfs, and even though her life was horrible she still stayed positive, have and always thought the better of people and trusted an old lady which is stupid but she's 14 so I don't blame her. If that not a better more fleshed out character that most girl boss female character then I don't know. Florin is a weird man, he approaches a young girl while her back way faces and tired to serenade her and was suprised when she got scared then in the end get kissed her when she was in a coma but he isn't a stoker just a creep
The fact that you just summed up what happened in the actual film and how it already depicts her as a strong female lead without all the extra stuff from the girl boss films is such good proof that it's so forced with the modern writing. Thanks for watching!
@@Just_JudahIn the film they are supposed to be around the same age. In the original? No telling considering that in the times it was created it wasn't unusual for a noble young woman of 12 to have a marriage to a man 30 or even 40 years older than her arranged by her family. This applied especially if they were royalty. Sometimes the girl never even saw her groom until the day they got married.
@@toodlescae makese sense for the original Brother's Grimm version if that's how they wrote it back then. Doesn't make it a good thing, but just contextually what would have been going on during that time.
Halle Bailey at least loved the Little Mermaid as a kid and she was passionate about playing Ariel. Rachel Zegler can go fly a kite. As for my favorite strong female leads: Kida and Audrey from Atlantis the Lost Empire Mulan Moana Leia from Star Wars Cynder from the Legend of Spyro The Mane 6 from My Little Pony G4 Nausicaa from Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind San and Eboshi from Princess Mononoke Sheeta and Dola from Castle in the Sky Chihiro and Lin from Spirited Away Akane Yashiro, Miki Saegusa, and Mothra from the Godzilla franchise Katara, Toph, Mai, Ty Lee, Korra, Asami, and Lin from the Avatar series (Not the blue lemur people movies) You know why? Because they have something these girl bosses DON'T have: CHARACTER ARCS AND ACTUAL CHARISMATIC PERSONALITIES.
This list is *chef's kiss*! Seriously, there's so many well written female characters to choose from that represent a strong female lead correctly that it makes me mad how some people truly think the girl boss characters are revolutionary.
LILO & Stitch had the right balance and pulled the diversity non sense in spades not only that they got rid their top billing ride (Japan being the exception of course) all because they don’t want to be culturally insensitive as if they aren’t over represented by just about every corner of their business these days. Lilo and Stitch have some tone issues but that doesn’t matter because the heart was there and a sest of alien action to sprinkle in with it not only that but apparently they were shockingly accurate with the representation even back then.
Omg. I thought youre a 100k sub plus channel (cause im just listening). Its like youre professional. Keep it up, Sir! I hope you can reach high subs very soon. God bless you and take care.
THANK YOU!!!!! 😭comments like this is what keeps me going. I try my bestest, I promise! I just wanna share the thoughts in my head like the way the sound to me.
the part that gets me about snow white "being the strong leader she was destined to be" is that she was a good leader. She convinces the dwarves to listen to her by being kind, appretiating them, cleaning up their burrow and offering to bake them treats. the people saying she was just a damsel in distress didnt watch the film. their mind are so poisoned with femenist propaganda that they cannot identify kindness and homemakeing as positive traits. and if we look at the evil queen she rules with an iron fist going as far to using magic and poison to get rid of people. She isnt hideous but her actions make her truly ugly. To lead through fear and deception or to lead through kindness and charisma. also the prince isnt a stalker, Snow knows about him and wants to see him, but runs away because she isnt presentable wearing rags.
You got a point there, that sounds like a hell of a leader to me. +1 to the evil queen's ugly actions making her an ugly person leading through negative means vs. Snow White's benevolent actions leading others. And yeah, stalker is just a wild term for Rachel to throw out there.
According to a leak, the movie is going to have Snow White defeating the Queen herself (she never falls asleep) and it's going to end with her and the _bandits_ singing a hip hop song that's worse than _The Scuttlebutt_ in The Little Mermaid live-action remake. So, in addition to completely ruining the story, they're also going to be subjecting us to more ear r*pe. Walt Disney must be turning in his grave so fast he could be used as a centrifuge to power Disneyworld.
Is it really so bad to let little girls have one love story like a nice they live happily ever after? Lately its been if a girl asks for help shes weak and if she doesnt shes a total well not so nice word it feels like a double standard why is it so hard to give kids something nice in a world thats already hard enough currently...just let kids enjoy their childhood let them enjoy the softness of the original disney tales because kindness is strength. ...thank you for putting this video out there kudos to you
Seriously, that's who's really suffering through all of this, THE KIDS! They're being robbed of the magic and wonder and fun that was presented to so many children before with all of this opinionated media. They should just be able to enjoy a nice story before they get older and have to face how harsh reality can be. These happy stories used to inspire hope for children.
I would love to see new stories instead of swapping characters from existing stories with POC just foe the sake of representation because it doesn't do any justice to the story or to POC. I think that if we can put Black people in Black stories, Latino people as Latino characters, Asian people as Asian characters, we should do the same with European stories like the old fairytales because even if they don't mention the characters color or race, it's still a part of European folklore and stories. I would love to see more stories from different cultures
It would just be a wonderful experience to see something fresh and new while keeping it authentic with POC characters instead of continuing to give POC sloppy seconds with old characters. Giving them a fresh coat of paint by raceswapping, it's just bad conceptually.
Great observations and 100% spot on. Poor writing is the problem, and writing strong women who are "strong" because they emulate the worst examples of male behavior is a slap in the face to the real feminism.
Exactly! It's just flipping the gender of those bad writings of male characters and calling it a day. It doesn't make it better just cuz a woman is doing it.
@@Just_Judah I'm in my sixties, and this problem is ancient. Go back to shows in the 1970s and 1980s and you'll find these characters posing as liberated women in one show after another. Idiot swagger? check. Inappropriate language? check. Abrasive demeanor? check. Aggression in situations that don't call for aggression? check. Dumb and stubborn? check. Domineering? check. Over confident? check. Sloppy? check. The perfect modern woman as portrayed in TV and film. It's 2023 and writers are still doing the same thing. It is sad.
@@NathanTarantlawriter And that's the other part that I feel like is crazy about it all. Some of the characters that are portrayed display behavior that would be considered unacceptable and abhorrent if men did it but we're supposed to cheer when women do it? No! Bad behavior is bad behavior, period. We gotta call it out!
I love a variety of movies. They don’t all have to have a love story. But some of my favorites cover most genres in one. Action, comedy, mystery, thriller, romance. Put it all together and it’s some dang good times.
Agreed. A movie that can touch base in all those proper regions is a banger through and through. But it can be hard to get it all in one while still being balanced and entertaining.
Everytime I hear the interviews it sounds like an insecure tween trying to be cool in front of the high schoolers. I don’t say that to put her down. It’s just sad is all. I’m sad for her.
Snow White came that a time that the population was failing to aspire for better times after the american economic crash in the 30s. The movie was a reflection of the desire for a simpler life, when people didn't have to stress about markets crashing and taxes to pay. It was a rescue of the romantic medieval writing. Understanding this, I can completely see why it changed so much the general publics perception about animation, they realized that there was a space for them to materialized their fantasies in a time people couldn't dream. Like you said, we need to understand the context that a piece of art was produced, so we can better understand how it affects us today and learn from it. When the main actress says that "The prince was a stalker" and "We cant aspire for a man to save us anymore" she is putting her "modern" view of society to a piece of art, and in that, devaluing the argument she was trying to make in of itself.
Exactly! And that adds so much context as to why it was written the way it was. Such a thing would be sweet and whimsical during a time period of so much hardship. When you try to morph a story of an older time into our modern lens of basically all topics, there's gonna be things you can view as strange. But if you're looking at something older and expecting it to fit into the point of view of modern day, you're gonna automatically be disappointed. Society is SO extremely different now and new standards for what's supposed to be politically correct are updating like daily lol
Once Upon A Time (tv series) does an excellent job of showing us that Snow and the Prince knew each other before she was cursed. It’s really complex and shows why the Queen hated Snow so much. You get to see Snow as a child and as an adult. As a kid she is very naïve. As an adult, she learns to be more street smart. She actually met the prince by robbing him. Lol. By the time of the kiss, you knew Snow and the Prince really cared for each other. A lot of this happens in the first season. Definitely worth a watch. Anyways, It’s possible to make Snow a strong female character with a love interest. Plus, show the Queen has a real reason to hate Snow. I really have no faith in this “remake”.
@@Just_Judah haha, it actually is entertaining. The premise is The Evil Queen curses all fairy tale characters and brings them to “The Real World” into a town called Storybrooke. No one realizes they are fairytale characters. However, Snow and Charming were able to send their newborn daughter to the Real World without being cursed. Their daughter grew up in an orphanage. It’s not until years later a little boy named Henry shows up and tells her he is the baby she gave up when she was young. He needs her help to break the curse and free the people. The show does a lot of flashbacks to show what happened before the curse. It’s pretty good.
4:02 FUCKING YES Exactly. I do not know if it was the same case for Mulan but I almost feel like it was because they completely took out Shang. Mulan herself was already such a strong, independent character who had such a creative way of thinking. And that's why she was able to do what she did, but they just completely got rid of that. They took out the funny aspects, They took out the heart warming aspects and the complete impact of the entire movie and I'm tired of it. They just play off nostalgia and the fact that we recognize these characters because we grew up with them, and we have grown to like them or know them.
That is actually incredibly sad considering just how much impact Shang literally has to the entire story of Mulan. Like even if you took out the hint of romance, Shang is just important altogether, his role is essential for the film. Shang's tough love on Mulan as a soldier made her realize how she needed to improve and caused for her to actually work through to new levels of strength and mental fortitude. So much so that Shang began to respect "Ping". It's quite amazing honestly because he truly was just treating her as an equal, like he would with any of the other soldiers (because he's unaware of the disguise), and because of that she actually pulls through and becomes who she needs to. It's beautiful storytelling!
@@Just_Judah exactly Thank you! Mulan was a good soldier because she had a good way of thinking and it's established early in the movie that Mulan has a very creative way of thinking but you know what they did in the remake? They made her gifted from the beginning, she was just this gifted super boss girl who could do it all. And then they introduced magic and chi into the whole thing and it's just a mess... Let me tell you I'm eternally scared for them to do any other remakes like princess and the frog or God forbid brave because those girls are already independent but I just know that someone's going to see Tiana as someone who needed to be saved by a man too.
@@UsagiMay And it's just so reductive and insulting to the characters to skip their defining character arcs to just make them powerful from birth. Seeing the characters struggle and overcome it is what makes the viewers believe in that for themselves, especially female characters targeted for women. If you're saying they were the "It Girl" from birth, anyone who doesn't feel that way is just gonna look at themselves and be like "...well I'm fucked." LOL
@@Just_Judahokay okay I know this comment is kind of old I'm so sorry but I wanted to say something that has been hunting my mind for a while and I need to tell someone about it. Everything that Mulan did, going to war and you know deciding to be a soldier and everything like that never had anything to do with the fact that she was a woman and people thought she was weak because of that. Like Mulan didn't decide to go to war because oh she wanted to challenge ideas and what people thought of women no, she went to war because she wanted to protect the people she cared about she only did it because she wanted to do something selfless and she knew it will take some sacrifices and very hard work. It never had anything to do with the fact she was a woman, yes her being a woman and being objectified and looked down upon was something she went through but it was never her reasoning for doing the stuff she did. This also happened for the movie Brave with Merida, Merida didn't reject the idea of marriage because she's an independent woman yada yada she did it because she wanted to find love in her own time and wanted the freedom to choose. the message was delivered so much better than a lot of these remakes.. also it kind of bugs me that a lot of these remakes think that as women we can't have love and a career / power let's take Princess Tiana into account like Tiana was a hard-working character throughout the entire movie and her meeting Naveen did not change that. At the end of the movie she was still a hard worker that worked for every penny she spent on her restaurant she got her man and she got her dream
@@UsagiMay THIS! She wasn't going to war to try to prove something or because she had a chip on her shoulder. She literally wanted to protect her family and bring them honor. I absolutely agree that there's a weird modern sentiment that women can't both have love and romance while also balancing a career or being powerful. They aren't mutually exclusive! They have autonomy and can choose both!
The race swap argument doesn't HAVE to be nuanced, that's the problem. It has nothing to do with race, it's just people getting accurate portrayals of their characters and the people who argue for it are disingenuous as all get-out. Like, Ariel for example; Disney is not making a new interpretation of the character, this isn't Guillermo Del Toro making his own unique artistic interpretation of Pinnochio. No, this is Disney remaking THEIR VERSION OF LITTLE MERMAID. They WANT you to have the original in mind and are using the same songs, general scenes and characters. That's the problem; they raceswapped a character that did not need to be raceswapped and they've done this so many times at this point that it can't be ignored. And I won't even entertain the notion that it's not woke, Disney THEMSELVES said it was an agenda they were pushing and wanted diversity and inclusion out into all of their content regardless of the audience. This is 100% their own fault, especially considering they are USING these black actresses as a shield to deflect criticism; letting them soak up the backlash while they sit back and decry anyone who doesn't like the change as a "racist". It's woke. There isn't any arguing that, Disney are just being scumbags about it. That all out of the way, the bigger issue is really just the writing and directorial quality which is very lacking. While character presentation/accuracy matters, the real reason this is setting people off is because it immediately registers as a red flag; when Disney PROMOTES THEIR MOVIES LIKE THIS, people ALREADY know what the film's problems are going to be. They already know this stupid agenda is going to once again show up to a party it wasn't supposed to be invited to. They're that one super obnoxious kid who thinks everyone loves them when their ego just grates on everyone's patience, the kid who thinks "Hey girl, I like how black your skin be" is a pickup line. It's the EXACT same energy. How about we just portray characters correctly; let Blade be black, let Ariel be white, let Mulan be asian. I don't want a caucasian Static Shock anymore than I want a black Batman.
I think this is a good analysis, considering the actual agenda pushing of forced diversity in these modern films. It's just lazy and inherently going to cause controversy!
I bet there are so many great fairy tales/legends from African or Latin American countries or any other countries with people of color that could have been adapted into AWESOME cartoons and/or live action movies. When I was 6-7 I remember watching Kiriko (I forgot the rest of the title) as a child about some African legend about a boy that could run really fast (? if I rememeber correctly its very hard to find a copy of it in my country and I'd really like to watch it again!) and that was truly the first cartoon that I ever saw that included a different culture and had all black people in it. Now I know that that movie is actually french but the setting and the characters and the clothes and the scary creatures seemed to me to be all taken from an African legend. As a white european kid I was thrilled and fascinated, watching that cartoon as it was something totally different from what I was used to. The creepy characters DID scaredme and the plot DID enthrilled me. It got me curious about "what other cultures could be out there!" Unfortunately whenever Disney or other big corporations take a white-based european (or other white based nations)'s fairy tale and simply do a remake and turn the main character black it means the creators are just being lazy. It makes it seem like people of color is not IMPORTANT ENOUGH/not worthy the time to have their own legends/fairy tales turned into movies. Like they don't matter enough for that, so they race swap instead just to do anything they can to NOT "go through the hazzle" (and I am typing that bit VERY sarcastically!!) of making great, original storylines taken from what must be a whole ton of great original fairy tales/legends from colored people's cultures. For example; I have read about the legend of the water deity/goddess Mami Wata and instead of seeing a black Ariel taken from a danish fairy tale I would rather watch an entire cartoon/live action movie based on Mami Wata! There could have been SO MUCH they could have done with that legend!! But no! They are choosing the lazy and very racist way out ("People of color? having their OWN stories on film?? Nah! Nah! Here! have a white fairy tale but with a race swap instead!(: Don't you like that?? Don't you feel REPRESENTED NOW!?") again I am saying this as a WHITE person; People of color DESERVES to have their nation's legends and fairy tales being shown to the rest of the world! I really hope that will happen more because honestly I would feel insulted AND frustrated if I were a person of color knowing how big film corporations would just kept on race swapping 98% of the time instead of giving me more original stories based on cultures from people of color/other races than just whites!! Other cultures than white cultures deserves to have their stories/legends shown on the big screen by big film corporations!
Finally, a video that actually gives constructive and nuanced analysis about the Snow White remake debacle instead of immediately screaming woke. Thank you for breaking it down wonderfully. A strong female character I can think of is Ayaka Kamisato from Genshin Impact. Her short trailer "Tsubaki in Thawing Snow" is such a heartfelt showcase of her gentleness and strength, never fails to make me emotional. Definitely check out Hell's Paradise if you haven't! Sagiri is such an inspiration and a breath of fresh air for a female main cast character. I'm happy I stumbled onto your channel!
@@LilithMoonSisterofDark I'm saying that a lot of reactionary/conservative videos just slap that term on everything. It's lazy and doesn't offer insightful analysis. That's what I'm referring to. I'm aware the term's original meaning has diluted in recent years. English is hard okay 😅
I think they wanted to do a lion king movie cause that's the one that comes to mind when u say that the main character becomes the leader their father wanted them to become
Good video I pretty much agree with most of what was said. Love the nuanced take on modern movies and remakes. Also the comparison between Rachel and Halle is night and day.
Thanks for watching, appreciate it! Seriously though, from the actual tone of voice to even the body language, they represented themselves completely differently.
it would be better if re-makes were simply bringing the same exact story back, but crafted in modern day technology. imagine we got to see 4k atlantis and movies alike. that would be insane.
Raceswap: Nah, I didnt complain about "Red" of Shawshanks Redemption, or "Nick Fury" of the Avengers, or Miles Moralis in Spiderman ((Allthough they ruined Peter in the process!). I complain about displaying such a political agends though. Same goes for gender/sexuality or if it was the other way around. And about Arielle or Schneewittchen (Snowwhite) this is part of MY culture. Fairy tales from MY people. But I am not allowed to be offended, right? Culutral appropriation, right? I am just done with movies and games nowadays...it´s propaganda, or a cult at least.
To be fair, I really don't mind these sequels, prequels, midquels, remakes, reboots, adaptations etc. as long as they're written well, have good acting, and decent effects/animation, the problem is that I'm not getting that from a majority of them, which is where things get troubling, it's not the fact that they exist, it's the fact that they are being badly executed by people who just don't give a crap, or are trying to push an agenda, That is the part that needs to Stop, we need people who actually care about these franchises to be in charge of them, but I doubt That will happen anytime soon.
Agreed! If they're done well, it's a total treat! But when people are making them just to make them without any actual care being put into it, it's just disastrous.
😅 I hate how people put snow down for wanting to have a prince or just love in her life because I love the simple Love story even though the prince isn't in it very much actually is anyone else curious what they were going to add more to the prince because it's recently been discovered that they were going to do more with the prince but never did in the original Snow White I'm really curious what they had planned 🤔
That's a great question. I do feel like there could have been more to his character. But either way, a simple love story is just as amazing as anything else. Nothing wrong with a little romance!
Did Disney forget that there already is a Latina princess? Elena of Avalor who’s arc was to become the leader that she was meant to be. That would be so cool in live action, why change Snow White when there’s already a princess that fits?
WOAH, I totally missed this one. It actually looks pretty cool! I gotta check it out. Thanks for letting us know. It would have made way more sense for Rachel to do that one. But maybe she would have still been bad from a PR standpoint based on her personality.
*WE don't keep remaking! Creatively bankrupt Disney money-grubbers inflict this scourge. 💥Gakk, 3 posts in all! but your every sentence hits home to this WASP 🇨🇦 Canadian man.
@@Just_Judah I think I was saying that in response to the Dopey comment 😂 I just finished the whole video and subscribed, very insightful and interesting! Loved it ❤️
The Queen had a name in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs has a germen name " Grimhilde" it was spoken in the film but her name sounds like your getting yelled at by drunken germen sailors ,
I remember a version of Snow White where the evil Queen tried to kill Snow White 3 times. First time with a belt she put so hard around Snow Whites waist that she passed out. But the dwarfs rescued her in time and cut the belt off of Snow White when the Queen (who was disguised as a merchant lady) leaves after she thought she killed Snow White Second time she tried to kill Snow White with a poisonous hair comb but Snow White got rescued by the dwarfs again who removed the poisonous hair comb from her hair. The third and final time was the poisonous apple but when the evil Queen (in disguise as an kind old lady) gave her the apple Snow white was sceptical and asked the Queen to eat from the apple. The apple was half red (poisonous side) half white (non poisonous side) and the disguised Queen cut the apple in half and gave Snow White the red poisonous side of ate the white non poisonous part herself. And after that it's like in the Disney version where the prince comes,kisses her, waking her up and takes her to his castle with him. 🏰
The mistake pushed by feminism and some actual bad guys is that women aren’t also leaders in their home. In a good healthy home, mom and dad lead together even if one steps forth as spokesperson for the family and the partnership. They each lead in their areas of strength and support the other in theirs.
Absolutely! I totally agree with this. Women don't have to be leading an army to be strong or have leadership qualities. It's not to say they can't lead an army, it's to say leading a home is invalid.
One of the best commentaries I've heard so far! I completely agree with you! I am myself pretty bored with all the remakes, prequels and sequels that are made just because they have run out of original ideas for movies....
You bring up a great point, I totally forgot about prequels and sequels lol They gotta stop randomly pulling those out of thin air as well. It's so unoriginal!
There's a lot of other things going on as well. Firstly, the reason why the character is called Snow White in the story is because her skin is literally white as snow. It's a case of racial appropriation. She doesn't fit the mold of Snow White in the same way that someone like Martin Klebba wouldn't fit the mold of Paul Bunyan. And speaking of people like Martin Klebba, this brings us to the second problem with this remake, the lack of little people in the supposedly "seven dwarfs". Here is something where they could really bring in some actual diversity to the main cast and it not be cringe, while still having seven "dwarfs". I could have cast it better blindfolded starting with Tony Cox, I like the casting of Martin Klebba and although Peter Dinklage is a little person I don't like his casting for the role because he is so toxic with regards to other little people getting roles. I like Kiruna Stamell (the Australian actress who played "La Petite Princesse" in Moulin Rouge), Meredith Eaton, Sofiya Cheyenne, Deep Roy, and of course Danny Woodburn who famously played Kramer's little person friend Mickey Abbott in Seinfeld. As you can see, the cast I have selected has diversity of gender and ethnicity while sticking to the "Seven Dwarfs" definition of the characters. And that's the issue, there's nothing wrong with diversity as long as it stays true to the definition of the character.
That's a fantastic point about casting little people and sticking to the original while still technically enforcing diversity. Awesome fantasy cast by the way!
Basically, all these modern films are doing. Is taking a male role switching it to a female, but don't change any of the characteristics of the character. So you end up with a very masculine female character.
Honestly, these remakes or new generation changes are starting to feel like just excuses to remove aspects about a story or character for the sake of todays standards even though they might not even be offensive in the first place.
Seriously, it's just taking the namesake of something and changing it completely so you get leeway on people giving the new adaptation a chance based on that namesake.
It’s not like remakes and new adaptations can’t improve upon the source material. Some do expand upon and even improve upon the original in various ways. My problem with a lot of Disney remakes are they either miss the point of the original or remade something that was already fine to begin with. If they’re gonna remake movies, they should remake their more criticised works and create an interesting story that makes us think about those stories in a new light. Pocahontas would actually make for an incredible time-period drama if it were historically accurate or even remake The Black Cauldron and adapt more faithfully from the books. It’s not like it’s impossible to re-adapt Snow White. We already have more faithful Grimms adaptations before and after 1937. The changes here just feel so cynical. It’s not even the fairy tale or the Disney movie anymore. Taking out the dwarfs was taking away jobs for people with dwarfism which is just not right. Regardless of people’s opinions on remakes and adaptations, the one thing they needed to do was flesh out and expand upon the Disney film, giving the Prince far more agency and just making the kingdom feel like a real kingdom filled with commoners. Instead, it feels like it’ll be a shitshow. A failure to even try to understand the Disney movie and it’s alienating everyone.
I totally agree on all the paintpoints that you reached here. There are definitely ways that a remake could be an improvement or just additional development upon the original. However, the modern remakes fail to do anything valuable and choose to alienate their audience as a whole.
I really like your idea for a platonic relationship between the prince and Snow White. Like imagine the prince actually falls for Snow White, and wants to pursue a romantic relationship with Snow White. But Snow White says that she only sees him as a friend. And the prince could come to respect Snow White's decision, but still support her and care for her, because she is his friend. Like this would be a great way to show the positive qualities that a man (or actually any person) should have. That is respecting the decision of someone else, but still supporting them as a friend, because you still care and love them as a friend. This is a good way to paint men as being good people, instead of constantly bashing on men and saying how they are not good due to being incompetent or being evil.
It would just be a million times better than painting him out as an evil stalker! I feel like they're pushing this gender war rhetoric and perpetuating the rivalry for no reason. It's so messed up!
@@Just_Judah Yeah I agree. Like a lot of modern cinema and/or TV shows just seem to have some disdain for men, and are also hyper focused on having a strong leading female character, that they forsake many things required for a good piece of work. Like storytelling, logic, and other things are practically ignored, just to push out these agendas.
@@bensonabernathy4664 And good storytelling should be the focus of the media! Someone doesn't need to be oppressed or seen as someone harmful in order to write a good story.
The reason why the studios have this tendency to do reboots, remakes, sequels, prequels is because they know people are stupid enough to open their wallets they also know people love nostalgia so why would they waste that opportunity.
My biggest frustration with the whole “modernizing” Snow White is that there IS room to do that. The original Snow White is ultimately about staying positive and kind through years of abuse. And there IS room to expand on that in a more meaningful way that would be super interesting to watch. But NOOO, it has to be about girlbossing
"Let's add competition and explosions and stalkers. Yeah, that's the way to show how you stay positive!" LOL
At this point, the Snow White remake isn't a remake at all, but a satire of Disney's live action remakes.
And that's going to hurt the corporate side where it really hurts....in their wallets.
@@xgray2012 Where it hurts most lol
That would be a wonderful way to modernize Snow White by exploring more of her family situation with her stepmother and how she persevered through that. It also wouldn’t demonize any characters that weren’t already evil in the original. No characters would even have to change; all they need to do is show more of their relationship.
The only thing you said that I would add to is that you mention making new stories with diverse characters instead of race swapping, I would argue that a better answer to so many European folklore would be to include more folklore and myths and folklore from historically diverse parts of the world. There are incredible stories from the Caribbean, South America, Africa, Australia and Asia. Middle eastern folklore is ancient and fascinating. Making Ariel black feels like giving black people our leftovers when they could have still cast Hallie Bailey in an incredible piece of folklore from a historically black area. It is very sad that many of these stories are being lost to time and I would love to see more of them to help preserve the cultures they come from.
You know what, that's an amazing point! I literally never even considered it but that's actually so much more important for what could be done in so many modern productions!
@@Just_JudahThere is a WEALTH of mythology and folklore that could be adapted from all over the world, but Disney won't touch it because it doesn't have a pre-existing (domestic) audience. To these corporations, taking a gamble on something that isn't widely known, that doesn't have an audience already in place, is too much of a risk.
Never mind that people are STARVING for original content.
Never mind that mythology and folklore outside of Europe would be interesting to people of European decent because IT'S NEW and interesting.
Never mind that this would be an effective way to achieve "representation" while also giving people who aren't of European decent something that is connected to their heritage.
Never mind that all those things would likely draw in a massive audience.
No, no, the well-paid consultants all say that it will be too difficult to market something that isn't already part of pop culture, so Big Entertainment won't take the chance, despite the potential for making big bucks if they make a hit.
@@patrickleighpresents749 ^ THIS THIS THIS. AGREED ON EVERYTHING!
@@patrickleighpresents749 The thing that's a slap in the face is that Disney CAN still do original stories, like Moana and Encanto. But they still insist on readapting their past movies to capitalize on the audiences these movies already have.
@@78jujubs Exactly. That's the main issue with the entire industry: If it doesn't have a pre-existing audience, they don't want to touch it.
Modern Hollywood: We hate the original content but we love its brand recognition. _Yoink!_
LOL literally what they keep doing
At this point I can't tell if race swapping is meant to piss off people, mock them or a parody of established white characters. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to do that with Chinese mythology gods or Tarzan.
@@ravenloh6677 Probably a mix of all three to be honest.
@@Just_Judah oh lord, I don't wanna see Ronald McDonald and Wendy like that just because some twitter freaks demand fast food chains to blackwash their icons for " representation".
Shows you how they just wanna change status quo and old traditions, its scary when you think about it
I just rewatched snow white and Dopey is in fact the cutest.
Isn't he though!?
Dopey was on the good zaza
@@platinumaether8198 Was Dopey on dope or selling dope? The world may never know.
So adorable
Bring dopey back 🥺
I wish we could put duct tape over Rachel's mouth! She even suggested the Prince be removed from the film because, she said, "That's Hollywood baby!!"
I have never heard an actress say that about someone she's working with. It's just so rude!
@@Just_Judah : She is disgustingly rude, disrespectful, and narcissistic/egocentric. But she did not have a problem with true love/romance when she did the 2021 remake of "WEST SIDE STORY." She behaved well for Spielberg because it was a smart career move. She has now revealed her true self as a spoiled brat.
@@Just_Judah Not just her, but anyone who comes off like this - who was it that told you you were so important and high and mighty, etc. I don't even know why I ask, even rhetorically. I'm never going to find out.
As far as general audiences are concerned, Rachel Z just spawned in like, yesterday in the grander scheme of Tinseltown's century of existence. She showed not only flagrant disrespect for a coworker, but also disrespect for the opportunity literally millions of little girls and young women would practically die for, and the legacy of the whole Snow White brand, as it were.
@@viscountrainbows2857 Agreed, there would be a lot of young women that would be so much more honored and humble about such an oppotunity.
I watched another video talking about Snow White, and I personally agree with their thought on what "the fairest of them all" really applied to story-wise. The basic idea was that the queen was asking the question out of vanity, however the mirror always said it was Snow White, not only because she outwardly pretty, but because she was also beautiful inside as well, because she was kind and caring, that was what made her fairest, while the queen wasn't due to her being inwardly ugly, jealous and cruel. it's a nicer way to think about it instead of it being about her skin tone.
And honestly, that's the best way to look at it. It gives so much more merit to Snow White as a person. More than just her skin tone, or even her outward appearance, but the beauty of her heart.
We already got a badass Snow White! Look at Shrek’s take where she summons an army of animals set to immigration song. Now if we got that as a movie……
Bruhhhh, that would actually be pretty dope hahaha
Seriously
Uh wasn't there already an action movie called Snow White and the Huntsman?
@@RettMikhalYeah...... there's a reason why it's not really spoken about 😅 it's wasn't all awful but it wasn't great either......
Snow White and the huntsman woukd still be better then this
I recently rewatched the Original and I'm so confused why she is saying the prince stalked her... we see him once in the beginning to which Snow white likes his company and then at the very end when he thinks she is dead and just saying goodbye. Like I completely forgot he was even in the movie until the end.
the prince doesn't even have a purpose in the movie besides being her true love and that's it, like the dude Accidently saved her.
the whole plot of the movie is actually about toxic Jealous women with a hint of romance.
LMAO "like the dude accidentally saved her" that's exactly my point and it's hilarious they're trying to claim that he's super relevant and even worse, a stalker.
@@Just_Judah I once had a Disneyland Record of Snow White, an audiobook on vinyl, if you will - we had the queen and the huntsman, etc., and the dwarves singing Heigh-Ho...now there's a prince, where did he come from? 😅 You're right, I don't remember him being around except for th crucial moment. Maybe people are confusing him with the prince in Cinderella.
@@farrellmcnulty909 LOL what if they replaced the prince with Dopey?
@@Just_Judah 🤣😂Which is what Hollyweird-weeeeird loves to do, show men as bumbling, moronic, and...well...Dopey.
The reason Snow White is named as such is that she is the fulfilled desire of a wish propitiated by blood magic (Disney left this out in his 1937 animated film). This type of wish is a standard European fairy tale trope, where blood splatters against a white surface, someone witnesses this and finds it beautiful, and it prompts them to wish for either a child or a wife that is white as ( e.g. snow, marble, cheese) and as red as blood. If there is something black nearby, that can be incorporated in the wish, but that is not always the case. In the original fairy tale it is snowing, a queen is doing embroidery and she pricks her finger. Three drops of blood fall on the snow, she finds this pretty and wishes for a child that is white as snow, red as blood, and black as the ebony window frame. She gets her wish and Snow White is born. Originally this queen is the evil queen, but by 1819 the Brothers Grimm changed the tale so that Snow White's mother dies.
The European beauty standard of fair skin goes back to at least the middle ages, and is classist as opposed to racist in origin. High born women did not have to work in the fields so that they could keep their fair complexions, as opposed to women who had to work outside. When they liked white skin, they really meant it because white lead was sometimes used as a cosmetic.
This whole wish aspect that was left out actually sounds fire! I wish I could see that in a film. Thanks for the input!
@@Just_JudahThat blood magic wish is depicted in the movie Snow White and the Huntsman, the opening scene shows the Queen (future mother of Snow White) walking through her snowy garden landscape and sees a red rose. When she touches it, she pricks her finger and 3 drops of blood fall on the ground. She then wished for a child born as white as snow, lips as red as blood, hair as black as a raven’s and as strong as the rose surviving in winter. I liked this movie and Kristen Stewart’s performance as Snow White because she was strong but also kind considerate and vulnerable. Her mourning the loss of one of the dwarfs who dies was genuine and sincere. She does put on knight’s armor and physically fights and defeats the evil Queen in the end but she remains feminine, not girl bossy at all. I thought the movie was pretty good and Chris Hemsworth was good as the Huntsman who helps Snow White through her trials. The movie doesn’t follow the original 1930s Snow White film but the story as it was rewritten still respected Snow White’s original character feminine qualities while still showing her inner strength getting through her life’s difficulties and winning the battle against the evil Queen.
@@trident2020 I'm totally being convinced to check this film out lol this sounds like a hell of a opening scene
@@Just_Judah there are quite a few fairytale adaptations that have been made into movies. a deep dive/comparison video would be interesting.
@@user-lq5br2ni6o I'll table it for sure, it could be an interesting discussion.
Remember when Disney once believed that true love conquers all. Now they think love is wrong, weak, and demeaning for women. Well, as long as it's love between a man and a woman.
Remember when basically all Disney movies literally had some sort of romantic plot? Why take that out if that's like a core theme of the franchise? lol
They also say love between men and women is evil and should be stopped because men will " abuse" their wives.
Oh Disney believes in true love. True love for money and self-indulgence. They can't depict simple and pure love because they themselves in modern entertainment are so jaded and overexposed to the grimdark, gritty, and "realistic"/inclusive, which ironically makes them even more fantastical, but in a bad way. I thought the Men V. Women wars had ended for the most part by the 2010s but here is modern Hollywood to blow on the embers and reignite the flames.
@@viscountrainbows2857 Nah the gender wars are alive and well for whatever reason. It's so unfortunate and silly.
In the original, Grumpy is the only one with a character arc and it’s a good one! It makes me sad that we will lose that. I love your take on this situation. Very well said. As a woman with 2 brothers it breaks my heart to see how men are portrayed these days.
And as a man with 3 sisters, it makes me sad to see their stories getting romance taken out!
Funny how grumpy said “ women are Pyzen they’re full of wickedy wiles. I don’t know what they are but I’m agin em “
5:12 Thank you for pointing out these idiotic "Women good, men bad" patterns! They freak me out since years.
It's just such a bad message and it's totally unnecessary!
I'm also bothered by their "Woman, don't pursue relationships or a family, ew, that's so outdated! BECOME THE LEADER YOU WANT TO BE!!!"
Like bro, if you as a woman want to focus on your carrier in your life because that's what makes you happy and don't need/want a relationship, then go for it. If you want a partner and seek happiness in having a family? Go for it.
Disney just doesn't get this, they think romance is an outdated concept and want everyone to be a caricature of their "strong independant woman" irl 💀
@@helion_ut Agreed! I don't think there's anything wrong with anyone, male or female pursuing leadership or a career if they want to. But telling everyone else to forsake love, relationships and family for utter independence is just wrong. Everyone should have the option to choose what they want out of life.
Don't worry about the evil queen. She's going to get a solo origin movie so we can learn how she wasn't really evil, but misunderstood.
LOL you called it. Now we'll wait for it to come in 2026
Just watch the show Once Upon a Time is been done 😂😂 no but seriously watch it, it’s so good
Oh, you mean 'Maleficent'??
@@maryhowland3558 Maleficent? I thought her name was Cruela.
@@maryhowland3558 LOL Maleficent Remix
Ok I probably shouldn't say the things I'm about tto say, but I'm opinionated sometimes sooo
1The whole whiteness of Snow White's skin is not about racism. It's a historical thing. Snow White was created at a time when being a lady meant staying out of the sun. If you had tanned skin, it was because you were outside working the land, doing manual labour. If your skin was white it was because you were rich enough that you didn't have to do that. So having white or pale skin was something to be proud of. I think this was the case for other cultures too, not just german (where the original story was set) or western. I think having pale skin is craved by many asian cultures too such as Korea or Japan.
2. What I love about the original show white, and what I wish we could promote is that she was a kind and gentle person. She stayed strong, even through the hardship in her life. She didn't need to be physically strong, because there was nobody that she envisioned fighting. Even the huntsman didn't attack her, not because he couldn't fight her, but because she was a kind person. Perhaps being a kind person is better than being strong? I guess I would just love if modern films taught us to be kind, mentally strong and tolerant and inclusive of others and how to be optimistic during hard times. (not toxicly positive, just how to be grateful for what you have)
Ok I hope I didn't offend anyone.
This was a great video. Thanks.
Okay seriously, thank you for both 1. and 2. I love bringing any sort of discussion and critical thinking to these sorts of topics because it doesn't happen often. I actually totally understand the subtle nuances of those cultural significances when it came to the manual labor vs having enough wealth to not get more tan thing. It's just that when applied to a western narrative, considering how much influence the west can have in the world at times, it CAN come off kinda racial. And I think some people, NOT ALL, do view it that way. And it can be kinda harmful when applied in that fashion.
As for 2. Kindness is so underrated just in general. Especially in the modern day. It absolutely should be seen as a type of strength considering how easy it is to be negative and spiteful to others. Thank you for watching either way, truly appreciate it!
@@Just_Judah Such a great reply! Thanks for replying and for giving me something to think about. I understand what you meant, about the west having a big voice and that it should have a positive message with that voice.
As I said, I enjoyed your video and look forward to watching more.
@@JixieDyeAuthor As always, I love a great discussion! It makes all the difference for us to put our minds together with various perspectives to understand everything as a whole so much better. Really appreciate it!
I think people thinking of Snow White in a „racial manner“ are mostly Americans because every stupid tiny little thing there is about race.
Isn’t it obvious that in a country where you even have to fill out your „race“ on everyday forms like bank account applications, that people WILL MAKE EVERYTHING ABOUT RACE???
By the way in Germany we can’t even translate that word properly because the concept that is behind that us not a thing here. Sure we also have migration issues but if you would hear someone asking what „race“ you are we probably would stare at you because it simply doesn’t matter in everyday life. At most you will have to give nationality on very official applications.
„Race“ translates to „Rasse“ which we only use for animal breeds. The last time Germans used the word „Rasse“ when referring to humans was in the third Reich and we now know that such a thing as a „race“ does not exist.
Let that sink in what that implies for the current state of America.
I hope you don’t find me rude or offensive but I found this actress, absolutely intolerable and insufferable and I’m sorry she doesn’t look like Snow White, and she needs to look the part, but more than that to me just have the personality of Snow White and we’ve seen time and time again that she doesn’t and it’s not racist to point out that she doesn’t look like her. I’m sorry but it’s not.
Snow White found refuge with the dwarfs She was being stalked by her step mother who wanted snow have her heart cut out. What Snow White wanted was to be loved She was orphaned as and later abused by her stepmom. No wonder she sang of love. Vulnerable people deserve their story
You know that's a good point. The prince wasn't a stalker, the evil step mother was! And true, anyone who's having such a hard time would be dreaming of a more pleasant reality.
Exactly the story is about how a 14 year old girl was not just abused by her step mom. But despite both that AND learning her own step mom wants to KILL her.
Snow white keeps her hope, love and compassion that we see through her interactions with the dwarves.
Not many people would still be as loving, trusting, and kind as her, if they were in the same situation.
That's freaking STRENGTH of a emotional and psychological level.
And the fact that Disney and Rachel don't see that, says A LOT about them.
I would love to see mythologies from Africa, Asia being brought to the big screen ❤
That should be the new goal for all of these studios. Find folklore from other parts of the world and bring them to light!
Ironically, Song of the South, the one movie Disney refuses to release, is also their only story based on African American folklore. Think about that.
The white guy who wrote it down and published had collected their stories. Bless him, and especially bless all of the original storytellers.
@@SarahDuke01 That's really interesting!
I'm still waiting for the new Shaka Zulu and Static Shock live action movie, why is nobody using them?
@@ravenloh6677 I'm just scared they'd mess it up in some way :(
they should cancel this remake I don't care if people want to see how bad this remake is but every-time online I search up movies like BATB, little mermaid, Aladdin etc, these remakes keep showing up and I have to search for the year the original animated movies came out, I honestly want to forget about the remakes at this point 😅😭
Lol remakes are SOOO played out at this point. We just need fresh ideas and to let the classics stay classics.
I usually only have a race swap problem when the interviews by the cast and creators make it clear it wasn’t an artistic decision but a political one. Like most of the recent race swaps. Or when it doesn’t make sense. You try and race swap Mulan or Pocahontas, or some of the others I’d be annoyed too. Because it doesn’t make sense.
Exactly, sometimes its inconsequential but sometimes it literally won't make any sense at all!
One of my favorite strong female characters is Jody Mills from Supernatural.
She's not only kicking ass, being a sheriff, fighting monsters and demons but is also taking care of 3 troubled teenage girls after loosing her husband and son in a horrible way.
She also becomes a mother figure for Sam and Dean, a great friend for Donna and Bobby, and still occasionally tries to find romance.
She's a hero
I love everything you just explained about the character because it shows how much depth there is to them and how multifaceted they are. They aren't just strong, emotionless people with no intimate relationships with anyone, they care about people and it helps give them strength to do the amazing things they do.
I love your perspective! My favorite badass lady is Leela from Futurama. She wants to be loved so badly and is so sensitive and emotional, but such a fighter and a strong leader and so intelligent. She truly rocks 🎉
Leela's been through so much to be as strong as she is. She's definitely flawed and not too perfect, but also extremely competent while being hilarous too.
Fantastic video! I’m a writer and an artist and I don’t want to boil someone’s character down to their gender. Because, one, it’s an extremely restrictive plot device that takes away from someone character by obnoxiously inserting politics that are not need, and two, it actually a very harmful message to spread to your audience, especially if you’re a company like Disney that panders mostly to younger children. If a show has good writing and great characterization, then people will find a way to like it. It’s not that I have a problem with woke writing. I have a problem with bad writing.
Thank you! Appreciate you for watching. Agreed, there just doesn't have to be so much negativity involved or animosity between genders. Good writing makes a good story, not forcing one group of people to be bad while elevating another.
How can you talk about a film having “bad writing” when it hasn’t even come out yet? 😂
@@guystudios The same way people knew that the original Sonic character design for the live action movie was bad before it actually was released. Causing them to redesign the character for the whole movie and course correct.
Dopey is in fact in the new version of Snow White,and is being played by Rachel Ziegler.
LMAO that was actually hilarious!
That’s funny.
This was an amazing video, I'm really glad the algorithm showed it to me! Your points were really well put!
Regarding the Snow White casting, I believe any woman could play her regardless of their skin color. I've seen amazing cosplays of the character portrayed by so many different persons and it works! I always thought they could justify the ''Snow White'' part from the brightness of her smile instead of her skin color. It's really just too bad that the actress they casted doesn't seem to like either the character or the movie/fairytale
I'm a woman and also a comic artist who loves writing strong female characters, but I am sad that we're getting ''girl boss characters who doesn't need any man'' instead of strong women who have emotions
Sailor Moon (especially in the manga) is a strong and powerful magical girl who often rescues her man, but he also helps her fight. Her love for him makes her stronger, not weaker. She often wins her fights with empathy and kindness, not just power. In Sailor Moon, women are allowed to like girly things, it's seen as a part of their identities. I wish more media would portray women that way instead
I don't think that having a discussion about gender inequalities is bad in media, but it is terribly handled right now. Portraying all men as either idiots or evil is not the way to go. You want a vile man as a villain? Then, why not have a good man as one of the main character to show a good example?
Overall I'm just tired of the live action remakes though and I wish we would stick to the animated movies
Anyway, thank you for your video. I subbed right away!
Okay seriously, the brightness of the smile would be an amazing way to actually work that into the naming convention. I also love seeing people cosplay whoever they want to because at the end of the day, these are fictional characters and showing your admiration for them says a lot.
Sailor Moon is an AMAZING portrayal of so many strong female characters who hold their own as well as experience love and romance. Mars was always my personal favorite. But seriously, thank you for watching. Seriously appreciate it! Also would love to see your comics!
Sometimes the people making these remakes and replacing popular established characters are doing this for revenge against the people whose ethnicity the main leads originated from. Mindy Kaling for example has a weird love and hate fetish for white and Indian people so she projects all her negative traits onto Velma and Fred. I don't want this to be for every future artist and writer, however it seems as though writers now are "taking back favorites" so you can't love them anymore.
Am I going crazy?
@@ravenloh6677 Oh you're 100% right on that one. She definitely has some kinda hang up between those two groups and it's super evident in her work. But it's just like, who's allowing you to write these stories and get them out to the masses when it's clearly so weird? When I'm willing to bet there's writers out there who make balanced, amazing stories who's works aren't being chosen.
@@Just_Judah I don't know if this is true but a lot of black independent artists and writers are ignored by western media because their projects aren't preaching social justice messages enough and Disney/Hollywood don't have faith in original black and brown characters who just want to be their own people.
@@ravenloh6677 I have definitely heard that before. I can't confirm it for sure but it's definitely believable. You can give a great message and craft great characters without filtering it through the lens of social justice or wokism but these media companies just don't believe that
love your commentary bro, films are meant for entertainment, enjoyment, escapism, unless based on a true story, they then need to be factual, snow white is a fantasy story every child has grown up with, zegler in her own 5 minutes of fame has hopefully destroyed her pathetic career
Appreciate you! Thanks for watching. Man I really miss just being able to put on a movie and know for a fact I'm going to get a good story and have a good time. Now I gotta do research to find out if it's gonna be whack lol
While films indeed offer an escape, they also reflect and shape societal norms. Rachel Zegler’s remarks might have stirred the pot, but it's essential to have conversations about gender roles, even in fantasy stories. Every version of a tale brings a fresh perspective, and Rachel's Snow White seems to challenge traditional portrayals, which is a step toward evolving storytelling. It's less about dismissing the original and more about adapting narratives to resonate with contemporary audiences. Plus, Rachel was phenomenal in West Side Story, which showcases her talent and her star is definitely on a meteoric rise, so let's not rush to judgment on her Snow White portrayal.
this man in one single video pointed out 99% of what's wrong with society
I tried my best lol
@@Just_Judah loved what you said about being sick of remakes altogether, although you forgot about Proud Family: Louder and Prouder
I love Snow White. Why is she crapping on a fairy tale? Yikes. 😅 My favorite fairy tale is Betty Boop's Cinderella. The pumpkin singing always gets stuck in my head. In case anyone wants to watch something FUN lol
Edit The Terminator movies are some of my absolute favorite films. I grew up watching sci-fi but never related to anyone more than Sara Connor. And I love Genkai from YuYu Hakusho. She makes me not afraid to get old. I'll just get more powerful lol.
Genkai is literally one of my favorite strong women in all of media. A tiny grandma who's tougher than anyone you know and outstanding personality. Her choice to continue to age instead of inhibit it shows how much she honors the nature of life cycles, while still keeping herself sharp. She didn't just age and let herself wither away. Such a wonderful example to set!
Belle is my favorite of the princesses. She was a smart bookworm who fell in love with beast, looking past his appearance and anger issues to see who he really was inside.
@@_Mamimi And also so caring that she took her father's place as the beast's prisoner!
Wonder Woman, The Bride (Beatrix Kiddo), Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor are perfect examples of exemplary "strong female" characters. They're strong when they need to be but never lose their femininity or softer side. Being strong doesn't mean having physical strength equal to a man. Sometimes it means ingenuity and perseverance and empathy.
And you're right. Dopey was always the cutest and most adorable.
As to the race swapping. I know it was blatantly used in the past like having John Wayne play Genghis Khan. His worst movie imo. It wasn't right then and it isn't right today in the other direction. I would love to see original characters and stories created for other ethnicities. There have been some successes (hopefully Blue Beetle picks up more) like The Princess & The Frog, Moana, Encanto, Mulan and Lilo & Stitch as well as Spiderman. Not the live action Mulan btw. I'm dreading what they do to other Disney live remakes because, as we've seen, they totally change the characters from the originals. I love Tiana and Moana..and I'm not really a princessy type. I liked the animated movie princesses but I was more into The Aristocats, Robin Hood, 101 Dalmatians and The Sword In The Stone. In real life I was a huge Nancy Drew, Perry Mason, Wonder Woman, Charlie's Angels and Superman fan as a kid. Kind of still am. LOL. Add Blade and Foxy Brown to that list too after I had time to decide to add in roles from when I was older.
This might be a nitpic, but Princess and the frog is originally set in europe and the princess was white af.
How ever, I also feel like it's a good example of when the skin colour is arbitary element in the story. Much like in the little mermaid, she could be of any level of melanin in the skin, since it's not important to the plot. I wish they'd eventually make a more fateful adaptation of little mermaid, since the original is brutally tragic. As I understand the origins of the story; H.C. Anderson was at the time heart broken due to his love marrying and thus blatantly rejecting him. So the story of little mermaid is a story of heartbreak, pain and death in vain.
About Disneys Princess and the frog: I too really like Tiana, but I do think that they botched her story somewhat. The pacing was totally off and the story was a little lackluster. It had great elements but fell flat on critical moments.
Thanks for watching, appreciate you! Yeah I totally agree on all fronts! I just wish Hollywood would take a lesson from prior creations that people love and study to figure out why.
Even picturing John Wayne as Ghengis Khan makes my head hurt.
@@furiousstyles08 Lol that's a crazy one
Honestly i’m so tired of low effort modern hollywood films 🥲 some content creators here on yt put more effort and love on their vids than the billion dollar movies on Hollywood nowadays xD Btw great commentary bro!
Thank you! Appreciate you for watching. And I didn't even get a chance to get to that but it's so true! There are literally so many content creators out there that are more dedicated to their craft to make better productions than these super expensive, high budget films Hollywood keeps flopping with.
I’m just going to say it as someone who is a biracial Latina. I think casting a Latina woman as Snow White could work, so long as they have, well… hair as black as ebony, skin as white as snow, and lips as red as the red red rose. I mean look at my Abuelita. The photos of her younger self fits that description. And not all Latinos are dark skinned. Some are RUBIO (blonde) and were born in Puerto Rico. Now with the right lighting and effects, Miss Ziegler can look the part perfectly. But she really doesn’t fit the part of Snow White, because Snow White wasn’t the “fairest” because of her outward beauty. It was her heart that made her beautiful. And Miss Ziegler, so far from the interviews, seems to lack in that.
Love this perspective, especially from a biracial Latina speaking from experience and personal expertise. I totally agree on that, I've met so many different types of Latinos in my life with varying features so it definitely could happen depending on the particular casting. But most importantly like you said, Miss Ziegler is seeming to lack the inner beauty for the character.
I love Yona of the dawn. it's a great show in which the main character is the leader of a gang of badasses. She is the embodiment of a realistic powerful woman. the story is how she got that way.
I actually haven't heard of this one before. I just googled it and it looks badass! Gotta give it a shot!
YONA!!!!!!! UGH I WISH MORE PPL TALKED ABOUT THIS
You read my mind! If it's not broke, don't "fix it". If you change the core of the story, you don't have that story anymore. These remakes seem like, instead of giving we, the audience, a great story, these remakes are just checking boxes. You are right, none of these remakes will stand the test of time. People will always come back to the classics for a reason, that reason is that those classics are timeless. This "anything you can do, I can do better, I can do anything, better than you" mindset is not progress. If you have to prop up, you're lead, by sacrificing everybody else in the cast, to make her more prominent, then you're doing the story you're adapting a disservice. Lead female characters, like their male counterparts, need to strive, and train, and work for their successes. Modern "strong, independent women" in modern media need to rediscover feminine qualities. Love, gentleness, compassion, generosity, vulnerability can still be good things to be. Instead, it seems that being a stoic, unemotional, good at everything, know it all, is the order of the day in most female lead action films today. But vulnerability is not to mean weakness. It seems that if the writers, write these female characters without flaws, they are better somehow. The flaws are what makes these characters human.
Exactly! To make a character feel real, we have to be able to identify with them. And if they're perfect with no flaws, then it's unrelatable and boring. But seriously, I just feel like we need fresh material!
Moana and Tiana are one of my favorite because they show how strong feminine traits are, Moana being a future chief of her island and in the end sailing off with some of her people as voyagers but she doesn't come off as someone brash and emotionless, she's honestly full of it and has so much personality. Especially with her dynamic with Maui is really fun, she's determined and funny as well.
The same goes with Tiana as she's very hardworking and was able to change a man with his ways, the woman has goals and ambitions and is very determined to make her dream come true and also happened to fall in love in the process of the movie.
Love and romance, the very same thing people in modern movies are trying to remove, was able to change a person, a man.
And on an unrelated topic here but I know a bunch of media is trying to market itself by having an all women team/cast, but like Turning Red literally had an all women lead but they never advertised it that way and instead marketed the movie through it's story and themes
I love this breakdown of both of those characters and I totally agree with you. I really enjoyed Moana's quirkiness while I also enjoyed Tiana's ambitiousness. They're not the exact same and both have different aspects of lifestyle to offer!
One of my favorite characters from my childhood will always be Mrs. Brisby from The Secret of NIMH. Her husband disappeared, and she's all that her children have left. She's not strong or brave by nature, she's very kind and respectful to others, she has to keep reminding herself when she's scared that everything she's doing is for her family so she can stay strong and do what she needs to, and the world she lives in is both terrifying and magical in its own ways, and a big part of her journey in the film is her looking for help to do what she can't do on her own. She's such a wonderful character, and the complete opposite of all of these raging Girl Bosses who insist you can't have feelings if you want to get anything done
That's a perfect example of a well written character that feels real. Like you can actually identify with those sorts of feelings and actions that have to be taken so you actually like the character being portrayed!
Excellent editing. Yes, do Badass Ladies, I think its a great idea. Your videos get better every time. 🎉
Thank you, this was a hard one to finish but I'm glad I got it done. Appreciate you!
I just started watching Golden Kamuy and i was taken aback that it had a strong female character with an equally strong male character with their own strengths/weaknesses like i can’t remember the last time i saw that without the man being called dumb every 10 seconds
Thank for reminding me, I've had that on my list to check out for quite some time now! I hear it's actually quite touching.
All this division is so exhausting and it's impossible to get away from. Subbed
Agreed, it's literally so chaotic all the time for no reason! Thank you!
“Ash is gonna be a 10 year old forever”💀💀💀
He's literally been a 10 year old for 26 years lol
@@Just_Judah lmao I was in 3rd grade when Pokémon popped off. It was everywhere, and we had religious Jamaican grandparents so I had to listen to the whole “Pokémon are evil“ lectures too. 🙄
@@prettykit4 LMAO looking back at it now, those days of "Pokémon are evil" lectures are so funny because it's literally one of the most successful franchises in the world now and while being the one of the most wholesome.
Wait, no, that series has actually concluded. Ash is retired, we got a new cast for the new pokemon series. He can now enjoy his retirement, being 10 years old.
@@borjaslamic did he actually become a Pokémon Master!? I'm dying to know.
So glad you covered this one my man! Very related to a lot of what we talked about in our last interview. So tired of this shit. There are Well done and loved it!
Appreciate you as always bro. Dude it gets crazy annoying the way these characters can be made these days. It never has to be that way!
It’s such a common trend in film and culture that women make jokes about men being useless etc. it’s always been about but it was balanced because men said things back. However the feminism movement made criticism of females socially illegal.
There's such a lack of balance altogether when it comes to modern media!
I loved this video. Thank you for making it and articulating all of these great points so well. I was just constantly repeating "Yes! Exactly!", because I feel like most people miss the mark on why these points are so important or why certain things just don't work, but you definitely hit the bulls eye each time.
I'd love to hear your take on strong female characters and how to write them. You're awesome, keep up the good work. ❤
Thank you, this is really inspiring to hear! I'm glad I actually took the time to make this one, it was a tough one to articulate lol appreciate you for watching!
My favorite SFL-done-right is Danielle from Ever After. She fell in love and married a Prince, got to wear pretty dresses, and cry when her heart was broken, but she DID do some more active/girlbossy things too, like being ahead of her time socially, saving herself from the perv she was sold to, and saving the Prince from the thieves by literally carrying him off on her back. She was smart and skilled but she also had a temper she didn't always know how to control and it got her into legit trouble sometimes. She's so balanced and even that she's a great role model for anyone. How did 1998 do it better than 2023?
I mean honestly, there's so many things from 1998 that I like better than 2023 so I'm not surprised lol but seriously, that's such a more compelling character than one who's ridiculously perfect!
s @Just_Judah Even the Live-Action remake Cinderella did it better than what this trash Snow White is going to be, or what the trash Belle from 2017 was, and you can argue that Lily James' Cinderella DID go to the ball to meet a guy. Didn't make her any less of a role model on how to be a good person
@@gingergoddess8953 Especially because there's literally nothing wrong with romance. Most people want to meet someone lol
@@Just_Judah Right? otherwise romance novels wouldn't literally be the bestselling genre on earth lol wanting a partner never meant wanting to lose your independence and autonomy. It just means to you dont want to be alone.
@@gingergoddess8953 and in a world experiencing peak levels of loneliness, we're gonna pretend like taking love and romance out of something originally romantic is progressive lol
"A man kissing an unconscious princess? _WEIRD_ _WEIRD_ I hate Snow White"
Also Zegler: Taking the role of a 3000 year old Greek Goddess who crushes on a like 16 year old kid..
In the beginning, the prince was courting her, not stalking. In the end, it was narrated that the prince searched far and wide. Why would the prince search for her? When I was a child, I thought the reason was because the kingdom doesn't have a quern anymore, so need to look for the heiress. Now that I am an adult, I believe, the implication of what was shown was that the power vacuum might have created chaos, so somebody needed to search for the heiress to take charge after the death of the previous monarch. You need to change the story, but you can expand on it.
That's actually a very interesting way of looking at the story! Agreed, things can definitely be expanded upon.
Positive Feedback Pal here again👋 - I wholeheartedly agree with this statement! I think our generation of corporations just want to seem current and also bring a blast from the past back by remaking it, and it just doesn’t work! The originals are always going to be the best, because they came first and they are what set the standard. I also very highly agree with you saying most of the young actors who are remaking these films, don’t even do their research or LIKE the individual they are playing in a 1-2 hour long movie. Anyway, as you can tell from this long comment, I really enjoyed this video and your perspective. Much love as always❤🙏
If you're gonna play someone in a film, you should not only do your research but at least like the person or character you're going to portray. And remaking things is just so played out now!
It's so nice to see a young man like yourself speaking about poisonous gender politics in film. It seems like most media today looks for ways to divide us humans, rather than exploring qualities we all share. 'Other-ism' weakens us, and turns people against each other. If writing and character development can carry a project, it doesn't need to pander to identity politics.
You hit the nail directly on the head. All of these gender politics are dividing us and turning us against each other when we need each other. We don't have to hate each other or be so hostile to one another.
I'm a bit late to the party, but I just wanna say that in the OG fairytale, the prince only showed up at the last past. He saw Snow White, kissed her and took her away. Fans speculated the prince may be a representation of Death. Giving her the kiss of death and taking her to heaven away from the pain inflicted on her by her evil queen stepmother
That's actually a really cool interpretation!
This is probably going to sound stupid but I don't want a story about women saving themselves and being the hero and all of that other stuff. I live that every day. And a lot of other women do too and I know they have it worse than I do. I love these original movies because it's a story that you can get lost in and fantasize about finding love 1 day of your own which I have but that doesn't make me any less of a fighter. Just because you love somebody does not mean you are weak.
Hell, loving someone makes you stronger honestly. And they keep trying to suck all the love out of these films for whatever reason. Why can't we have nice things?
I saw she was in the Hunger Games prequel and I immediately said, "I'm not seeing that."
Lol I don't think she understood how being so smug can affect her overall career and perception to the public.
Yeah! To be honest, I don’t see anything wrong or out of the ordinary with a young girl like Snow White dreaming to find true love. Shoot, it’s relatable as hell. When I was a hopeless romantic teenager I know I was dreaming about that kind of thing more than anything else! If anything, it’s insulting that they see that very ordinary behavior as not compatible with being a strong woman. Being someone who likes romance does not take away from their other important qualities! And yeah, taking the romance out of a fairytale with extremely romantic undertones changes the entire thing…
It's like even if she wanted to be a leader and powerful, she's not also thinking about love? Why does she have to be some sort of warlord lol It's okay to desire love or enjoy the thought of romance!
I think many Disney fans just call him florin so it isn't confusing but yeah he's the most boring Disney prince and that is saying something because their are some very boring ones, specially from the older movies. Literally snow white escaped death from her abusive step mother, convinced a bunch of strangers to here as a house keeper to shelter herself from her crazy stepmom, used her skills and personality to build a friendship with the dwarfs, and even though her life was horrible she still stayed positive, have and always thought the better of people and trusted an old lady which is stupid but she's 14 so I don't blame her. If that not a better more fleshed out character that most girl boss female character then I don't know. Florin is a weird man, he approaches a young girl while her back way faces and tired to serenade her and was suprised when she got scared then in the end get kissed her when she was in a coma but he isn't a stoker just a creep
The fact that you just summed up what happened in the actual film and how it already depicts her as a strong female lead without all the extra stuff from the girl boss films is such good proof that it's so forced with the modern writing. Thanks for watching!
we don't even know how old the prince is though unless I am miss remembering, he very well could be around the same age.
@@katielee7364 I mean when I watch it, I just assume they're both the same age.
@@Just_JudahIn the film they are supposed to be around the same age. In the original? No telling considering that in the times it was created it wasn't unusual for a noble young woman of 12 to have a marriage to a man 30 or even 40 years older than her arranged by her family. This applied especially if they were royalty. Sometimes the girl never even saw her groom until the day they got married.
@@toodlescae makese sense for the original Brother's Grimm version if that's how they wrote it back then. Doesn't make it a good thing, but just contextually what would have been going on during that time.
They HAD TO change the content from "the fairest of them all". How should Zegler ever compete in that?
Considering how unfair she was being to those strikers lol
EVER
Halle Bailey at least loved the Little Mermaid as a kid and she was passionate about playing Ariel.
Rachel Zegler can go fly a kite.
As for my favorite strong female leads:
Kida and Audrey from Atlantis the Lost Empire
Mulan
Moana
Leia from Star Wars
Cynder from the Legend of Spyro
The Mane 6 from My Little Pony G4
Nausicaa from Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
San and Eboshi from Princess Mononoke
Sheeta and Dola from Castle in the Sky
Chihiro and Lin from Spirited Away
Akane Yashiro, Miki Saegusa, and Mothra from the Godzilla franchise
Katara, Toph, Mai, Ty Lee, Korra, Asami, and Lin from the Avatar series (Not the blue lemur people movies)
You know why?
Because they have something these girl bosses DON'T have: CHARACTER ARCS AND ACTUAL CHARISMATIC PERSONALITIES.
This list is *chef's kiss*! Seriously, there's so many well written female characters to choose from that represent a strong female lead correctly that it makes me mad how some people truly think the girl boss characters are revolutionary.
LILO & Stitch had the right balance and pulled the diversity non sense in spades not only that they got rid their top billing ride (Japan being the exception of course) all because they don’t want to be culturally insensitive as if they aren’t over represented by just about every corner of their business these days. Lilo and Stitch have some tone issues but that doesn’t matter because the heart was there and a sest of alien action to sprinkle in with it not only that but apparently they were shockingly accurate with the representation even back then.
@@Just_Judah Thanks. In fact, I want people to actually watch a Ghibli film marathon or binge watch the Avatar cartoon series and WRITE. DOWN. NOTES.
@@Godzillakingofkaiju1 PHEW, don't get me started on the abundance of strong females written in a variety of ways from Avatar. Kiyoshi!? Azula!?
@@Just_Judah Don't forget Yangchen, Jinora, Ikki, and Rangi.
At this point, the Snow White remake isn't a remake at all, but a satire of Disney's live action remakes.
LOL that's a great way to look at it honestly.
Omg. I thought youre a 100k sub plus channel (cause im just listening). Its like youre professional. Keep it up, Sir! I hope you can reach high subs very soon. God bless you and take care.
THANK YOU!!!!! 😭comments like this is what keeps me going. I try my bestest, I promise! I just wanna share the thoughts in my head like the way the sound to me.
You guys have really warped comments
"It's like you're professional"
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Will NEVER understand how "high sub count makes a good video"
the part that gets me about snow white "being the strong leader she was destined to be" is that she was a good leader. She convinces the dwarves to listen to her by being kind, appretiating them, cleaning up their burrow and offering to bake them treats. the people saying she was just a damsel in distress didnt watch the film. their mind are so poisoned with femenist propaganda that they cannot identify kindness and homemakeing as positive traits.
and if we look at the evil queen she rules with an iron fist going as far to using magic and poison to get rid of people. She isnt hideous but her actions make her truly ugly. To lead through fear and deception or to lead through kindness and charisma.
also the prince isnt a stalker, Snow knows about him and wants to see him, but runs away because she isnt presentable wearing rags.
You got a point there, that sounds like a hell of a leader to me. +1 to the evil queen's ugly actions making her an ugly person leading through negative means vs. Snow White's benevolent actions leading others. And yeah, stalker is just a wild term for Rachel to throw out there.
Snow White and the seven dwarves ❌ Girl and the people ✅
LMAO this ^
lol why are they making a new Snow White movie when we already have “Snow White and The Huntsmen.” It’s live action and there’s epic lore.
I keep hearing that one was actually really awesome.
According to a leak, the movie is going to have Snow White defeating the Queen herself (she never falls asleep) and it's going to end with her and the _bandits_ singing a hip hop song that's worse than _The Scuttlebutt_ in The Little Mermaid live-action remake. So, in addition to completely ruining the story, they're also going to be subjecting us to more ear r*pe.
Walt Disney must be turning in his grave so fast he could be used as a centrifuge to power Disneyworld.
Lol this just sounds ridiculously corny. I don't understand why they would even put the movie through the grinder like this to come up with that!
3:35 I... I very confidently said "Philip" but then I realized that it was Sleeping Beauty's prince
LMAO! That's what I first thought as well.
I said "Harry".
Cos I'm English and she's a mini Meghan Markle!!!
Is it really so bad to let little girls have one love story like a nice they live happily ever after? Lately its been if a girl asks for help shes weak and if she doesnt shes a total well not so nice word it feels like a double standard why is it so hard to give kids something nice in a world thats already hard enough currently...just let kids enjoy their childhood let them enjoy the softness of the original disney tales because kindness is strength. ...thank you for putting this video out there kudos to you
Seriously, that's who's really suffering through all of this, THE KIDS! They're being robbed of the magic and wonder and fun that was presented to so many children before with all of this opinionated media. They should just be able to enjoy a nice story before they get older and have to face how harsh reality can be. These happy stories used to inspire hope for children.
And it also takes strength to love someone
@@tasmeenbaker9912 it sure as hell does. One of the hardest things in the world if you're doing it forreal.
I would love to see new stories instead of swapping characters from existing stories with POC just foe the sake of representation because it doesn't do any justice to the story or to POC. I think that if we can put Black people in Black stories, Latino people as Latino characters, Asian people as Asian characters, we should do the same with European stories like the old fairytales because even if they don't mention the characters color or race, it's still a part of European folklore and stories. I would love to see more stories from different cultures
It would just be a wonderful experience to see something fresh and new while keeping it authentic with POC characters instead of continuing to give POC sloppy seconds with old characters. Giving them a fresh coat of paint by raceswapping, it's just bad conceptually.
Great observations and 100% spot on. Poor writing is the problem, and writing strong women who are "strong" because they emulate the worst examples of male behavior is a slap in the face to the real feminism.
Exactly! It's just flipping the gender of those bad writings of male characters and calling it a day. It doesn't make it better just cuz a woman is doing it.
@@Just_Judah I'm in my sixties, and this problem is ancient. Go back to shows in the 1970s and 1980s and you'll find these characters posing as liberated women in one show after another. Idiot swagger? check. Inappropriate language? check. Abrasive demeanor? check. Aggression in situations that don't call for aggression? check. Dumb and stubborn? check. Domineering? check. Over confident? check. Sloppy? check. The perfect modern woman as portrayed in TV and film. It's 2023 and writers are still doing the same thing. It is sad.
@@NathanTarantlawriter And that's the other part that I feel like is crazy about it all. Some of the characters that are portrayed display behavior that would be considered unacceptable and abhorrent if men did it but we're supposed to cheer when women do it? No! Bad behavior is bad behavior, period. We gotta call it out!
The movie hasn’t even come out yet 😂
I love a variety of movies. They don’t all have to have a love story. But some of my favorites cover most genres in one. Action, comedy, mystery, thriller, romance. Put it all together and it’s some dang good times.
Agreed. A movie that can touch base in all those proper regions is a banger through and through. But it can be hard to get it all in one while still being balanced and entertaining.
Everytime I hear the interviews it sounds like an insecure tween trying to be cool in front of the high schoolers. I don’t say that to put her down. It’s just sad is all. I’m sad for her.
I know what you mean. When you try to sound too cool, it comes off corny.
Snow White came that a time that the population was failing to aspire for better times after the american economic crash in the 30s. The movie was a reflection of the desire for a simpler life, when people didn't have to stress about markets crashing and taxes to pay. It was a rescue of the romantic medieval writing. Understanding this, I can completely see why it changed so much the general publics perception about animation, they realized that there was a space for them to materialized their fantasies in a time people couldn't dream.
Like you said, we need to understand the context that a piece of art was produced, so we can better understand how it affects us today and learn from it. When the main actress says that "The prince was a stalker" and "We cant aspire for a man to save us anymore" she is putting her "modern" view of society to a piece of art, and in that, devaluing the argument she was trying to make in of itself.
Exactly! And that adds so much context as to why it was written the way it was. Such a thing would be sweet and whimsical during a time period of so much hardship. When you try to morph a story of an older time into our modern lens of basically all topics, there's gonna be things you can view as strange. But if you're looking at something older and expecting it to fit into the point of view of modern day, you're gonna automatically be disappointed. Society is SO extremely different now and new standards for what's supposed to be politically correct are updating like daily lol
@@Just_Judah ABSOLUTELY!!
It's not 1937 anymore.
Apparently...
Bro your content is a hidden gem! Not enough people know about it
Appreciate you as always bro! Thanks for the support!
Once Upon A Time (tv series) does an excellent job of showing us that Snow and the Prince knew each other before she was cursed. It’s really complex and shows why the Queen hated Snow so much. You get to see Snow as a child and as an adult. As a kid she is very naïve. As an adult, she learns to be more street smart. She actually met the prince by robbing him. Lol. By the time of the kiss, you knew Snow and the Prince really cared for each other. A lot of this happens in the first season. Definitely worth a watch. Anyways, It’s possible to make Snow a strong female character with a love interest. Plus, show the Queen has a real reason to hate Snow. I really have no faith in this “remake”.
Now I have to go and watch this show because it actually sounds really entertaining!
@@Just_Judah haha, it actually is entertaining. The premise is The Evil Queen curses all fairy tale characters and brings them to “The Real World” into a town called Storybrooke. No one realizes they are fairytale characters. However, Snow and Charming were able to send their newborn daughter to the Real World without being cursed. Their daughter grew up in an orphanage. It’s not until years later a little boy named Henry shows up and tells her he is the baby she gave up when she was young. He needs her help to break the curse and free the people. The show does a lot of flashbacks to show what happened before the curse. It’s pretty good.
@@MrErik052005 SOLD, this definitely sounds up my alley! Looks like I got something to check out this weekend.
@@Just_Judahhaha love it. I won’t spoil how season 1 ends. But it makes you want to watch season 2.
4:02 FUCKING YES Exactly. I do not know if it was the same case for Mulan but I almost feel like it was because they completely took out Shang. Mulan herself was already such a strong, independent character who had such a creative way of thinking. And that's why she was able to do what she did, but they just completely got rid of that. They took out the funny aspects, They took out the heart warming aspects and the complete impact of the entire movie and I'm tired of it. They just play off nostalgia and the fact that we recognize these characters because we grew up with them, and we have grown to like them or know them.
That is actually incredibly sad considering just how much impact Shang literally has to the entire story of Mulan. Like even if you took out the hint of romance, Shang is just important altogether, his role is essential for the film. Shang's tough love on Mulan as a soldier made her realize how she needed to improve and caused for her to actually work through to new levels of strength and mental fortitude. So much so that Shang began to respect "Ping". It's quite amazing honestly because he truly was just treating her as an equal, like he would with any of the other soldiers (because he's unaware of the disguise), and because of that she actually pulls through and becomes who she needs to. It's beautiful storytelling!
@@Just_Judah exactly Thank you! Mulan was a good soldier because she had a good way of thinking and it's established early in the movie that Mulan has a very creative way of thinking but you know what they did in the remake? They made her gifted from the beginning, she was just this gifted super boss girl who could do it all. And then they introduced magic and chi into the whole thing and it's just a mess... Let me tell you I'm eternally scared for them to do any other remakes like princess and the frog or God forbid brave because those girls are already independent but I just know that someone's going to see Tiana as someone who needed to be saved by a man too.
@@UsagiMay And it's just so reductive and insulting to the characters to skip their defining character arcs to just make them powerful from birth. Seeing the characters struggle and overcome it is what makes the viewers believe in that for themselves, especially female characters targeted for women. If you're saying they were the "It Girl" from birth, anyone who doesn't feel that way is just gonna look at themselves and be like "...well I'm fucked." LOL
@@Just_Judahokay okay I know this comment is kind of old I'm so sorry but I wanted to say something that has been hunting my mind for a while and I need to tell someone about it. Everything that Mulan did, going to war and you know deciding to be a soldier and everything like that never had anything to do with the fact that she was a woman and people thought she was weak because of that. Like Mulan didn't decide to go to war because oh she wanted to challenge ideas and what people thought of women no, she went to war because she wanted to protect the people she cared about she only did it because she wanted to do something selfless and she knew it will take some sacrifices and very hard work. It never had anything to do with the fact she was a woman, yes her being a woman and being objectified and looked down upon was something she went through but it was never her reasoning for doing the stuff she did. This also happened for the movie Brave with Merida, Merida didn't reject the idea of marriage because she's an independent woman yada yada she did it because she wanted to find love in her own time and wanted the freedom to choose. the message was delivered so much better than a lot of these remakes.. also it kind of bugs me that a lot of these remakes think that as women we can't have love and a career / power let's take Princess Tiana into account like Tiana was a hard-working character throughout the entire movie and her meeting Naveen did not change that. At the end of the movie she was still a hard worker that worked for every penny she spent on her restaurant she got her man and she got her dream
@@UsagiMay THIS! She wasn't going to war to try to prove something or because she had a chip on her shoulder. She literally wanted to protect her family and bring them honor. I absolutely agree that there's a weird modern sentiment that women can't both have love and romance while also balancing a career or being powerful. They aren't mutually exclusive! They have autonomy and can choose both!
Man, you're words are so true! I WISH I could verbalize my thoughts like this.
The race swap argument doesn't HAVE to be nuanced, that's the problem.
It has nothing to do with race, it's just people getting accurate portrayals of their characters and the people who argue for it are disingenuous as all get-out.
Like, Ariel for example; Disney is not making a new interpretation of the character, this isn't Guillermo Del Toro making his own unique artistic interpretation of Pinnochio.
No, this is Disney remaking THEIR VERSION OF LITTLE MERMAID. They WANT you to have the original in mind and are using the same songs, general scenes and characters. That's the problem; they raceswapped a character that did not need to be raceswapped and they've done this so many times at this point that it can't be ignored.
And I won't even entertain the notion that it's not woke, Disney THEMSELVES said it was an agenda they were pushing and wanted diversity and inclusion out into all of their content regardless of the audience. This is 100% their own fault, especially considering they are USING these black actresses as a shield to deflect criticism; letting them soak up the backlash while they sit back and decry anyone who doesn't like the change as a "racist". It's woke. There isn't any arguing that, Disney are just being scumbags about it.
That all out of the way, the bigger issue is really just the writing and directorial quality which is very lacking. While character presentation/accuracy matters, the real reason this is setting people off is because it immediately registers as a red flag; when Disney PROMOTES THEIR MOVIES LIKE THIS, people ALREADY know what the film's problems are going to be. They already know this stupid agenda is going to once again show up to a party it wasn't supposed to be invited to. They're that one super obnoxious kid who thinks everyone loves them when their ego just grates on everyone's patience, the kid who thinks "Hey girl, I like how black your skin be" is a pickup line. It's the EXACT same energy.
How about we just portray characters correctly; let Blade be black, let Ariel be white, let Mulan be asian. I don't want a caucasian Static Shock anymore than I want a black Batman.
I think this is a good analysis, considering the actual agenda pushing of forced diversity in these modern films. It's just lazy and inherently going to cause controversy!
Everyone seems to forget Star Wars was an original idea that no one in Hollywood believed in. Almost poetic how it died.
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of a lot of their modern developments within the story and universe. A lot of it seems forced, no pun intended lol
I love your analysis, I agreed with everything you said. You put my thoughts into words!
Appreciate you for watching! Thank you! It's giving me the inspiration to write another one!
I bet there are so many great fairy tales/legends from African or Latin American countries or any other countries with people of color that could have been adapted into AWESOME cartoons and/or live action movies. When I was 6-7 I remember watching Kiriko (I forgot the rest of the title) as a child about some African legend about a boy that could run really fast (? if I rememeber correctly its very hard to find a copy of it in my country and I'd really like to watch it again!) and that was truly the first cartoon that I ever saw that included a different culture and had all black people in it. Now I know that that movie is actually french but the setting and the characters and the clothes and the scary creatures seemed to me to be all taken from an African legend. As a white european kid I was thrilled and fascinated, watching that cartoon as it was something totally different from what I was used to. The creepy characters DID scaredme and the plot DID enthrilled me. It got me curious about "what other cultures could be out there!"
Unfortunately whenever Disney or other big corporations take a white-based european (or other white based nations)'s fairy tale and simply do a remake and turn the main character black it means the creators are just being lazy. It makes it seem like people of color is not IMPORTANT ENOUGH/not worthy the time to have their own legends/fairy tales turned into movies. Like they don't matter enough for that, so they race swap instead just to do anything they can to NOT "go through the hazzle" (and I am typing that bit VERY sarcastically!!) of making great, original storylines taken from what must be a whole ton of great original fairy tales/legends from colored people's cultures. For example; I have read about the legend of the water deity/goddess Mami Wata and instead of seeing a black Ariel taken from a danish fairy tale I would rather watch an entire cartoon/live action movie based on Mami Wata! There could have been SO MUCH they could have done with that legend!! But no! They are choosing the lazy and very racist way out ("People of color? having their OWN stories on film?? Nah! Nah! Here! have a white fairy tale but with a race swap instead!(: Don't you like that?? Don't you feel REPRESENTED NOW!?") again I am saying this as a WHITE person; People of color DESERVES to have their nation's legends and fairy tales being shown to the rest of the world! I really hope that will happen more because honestly I would feel insulted AND frustrated if I were a person of color knowing how big film corporations would just kept on race swapping 98% of the time instead of giving me more original stories based on cultures from people of color/other races than just whites!! Other cultures than white cultures deserves to have their stories/legends shown on the big screen by big film corporations!
Absolutely agree. You're really putting it all into words here. I need to look into Mami Wata, it sounds like a great legend!
Finally, a video that actually gives constructive and nuanced analysis about the Snow White remake debacle instead of immediately screaming woke. Thank you for breaking it down wonderfully. A strong female character I can think of is Ayaka Kamisato from Genshin Impact. Her short trailer "Tsubaki in Thawing Snow" is such a heartfelt showcase of her gentleness and strength, never fails to make me emotional.
Definitely check out Hell's Paradise if you haven't! Sagiri is such an inspiration and a breath of fresh air for a female main cast character.
I'm happy I stumbled onto your channel!
Thank you, appreciate the feedback! I actually have to check out both. Hell's Paradise has been on my list for a while now.
Not even what woke means.
@@LilithMoonSisterofDark I'm saying that a lot of reactionary/conservative videos just slap that term on everything. It's lazy and doesn't offer insightful analysis. That's what I'm referring to. I'm aware the term's original meaning has diluted in recent years. English is hard okay 😅
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I think they wanted to do a lion king movie cause that's the one that comes to mind when u say that the main character becomes the leader their father wanted them to become
You know what, you're totally right lol that IS Lion King
Good video I pretty much agree with most of what was said. Love the nuanced take on modern movies and remakes. Also the comparison between Rachel and Halle is night and day.
Thanks for watching, appreciate it! Seriously though, from the actual tone of voice to even the body language, they represented themselves completely differently.
it would be better if re-makes were simply bringing the same exact story back, but crafted in modern day technology. imagine we got to see 4k atlantis and movies alike. that would be insane.
It would actually be pretty amazing if they did it correctly lol
Raceswap:
Nah, I didnt complain about "Red" of Shawshanks Redemption, or "Nick Fury" of the Avengers, or Miles Moralis in Spiderman ((Allthough they ruined Peter in the process!).
I complain about displaying such a political agends though. Same goes for gender/sexuality or if it was the other way around.
And about Arielle or Schneewittchen (Snowwhite) this is part of MY culture. Fairy tales from MY people.
But I am not allowed to be offended, right? Culutral appropriation, right?
I am just done with movies and games nowadays...it´s propaganda, or a cult at least.
There's just way too many politics involved with all of these mediums these days. It's all becoming so complicated.
To be fair, I really don't mind these sequels, prequels, midquels, remakes, reboots, adaptations etc. as long as they're written well, have good acting, and decent effects/animation, the problem is that I'm not getting that from a majority of them, which is where things get troubling, it's not the fact that they exist, it's the fact that they are being badly executed by people who just don't give a crap, or are trying to push an agenda, That is the part that needs to Stop, we need people who actually care about these franchises to be in charge of them, but I doubt That will happen anytime soon.
Agreed! If they're done well, it's a total treat! But when people are making them just to make them without any actual care being put into it, it's just disastrous.
😅 I hate how people put snow down for wanting to have a prince or just love in her life because I love the simple Love story even though the prince isn't in it very much actually is anyone else curious what they were going to add more to the prince because it's recently been discovered that they were going to do more with the prince but never did in the original Snow White I'm really curious what they had planned 🤔
That's a great question. I do feel like there could have been more to his character. But either way, a simple love story is just as amazing as anything else. Nothing wrong with a little romance!
@@Just_Judah 😊 I totally agree I love a simple romance it's nice every once in awhile because it doesn't always have to be complicated
Did Disney forget that there already is a Latina princess? Elena of Avalor who’s arc was to become the leader that she was meant to be. That would be so cool in live action, why change Snow White when there’s already a princess that fits?
WOAH, I totally missed this one. It actually looks pretty cool! I gotta check it out. Thanks for letting us know. It would have made way more sense for Rachel to do that one. But maybe she would have still been bad from a PR standpoint based on her personality.
not to mention Wish is on its way
*WE don't keep remaking! Creatively bankrupt Disney money-grubbers inflict this scourge. 💥Gakk, 3 posts in all! but your every sentence hits home to this WASP 🇨🇦 Canadian man.
TRUE! These companies are trying to force feed us things no one asked for. Appreciate you for watching!
Dopey is also the one to make appearances with Snow White at Epcot - at least when I worked there a long time ago
Interesting haha
@@Just_Judah I think I was saying that in response to the Dopey comment 😂 I just finished the whole video and subscribed, very insightful and interesting! Loved it ❤️
@@andin916 Thank you, much appreciated! Glad you enjoyed it!
The Queen had a name in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs has a germen name " Grimhilde" it was spoken in the film
but her name sounds like your getting yelled at by drunken germen sailors ,
LOL
*chef's kiss* THANK You!
I agree with pretty much every point you made here, the film industry needs to re-evaluate things.
Zeigler just oozes condescension she's so snarky
Seriously, I feel like I would hate having a conversation with her.
I remember a version of Snow White where the evil Queen tried to kill Snow White 3 times. First time with a belt she put so hard around Snow Whites waist that she passed out. But the dwarfs rescued her in time and cut the belt off of Snow White when the Queen (who was disguised as a merchant lady) leaves after she thought she killed Snow White
Second time she tried to kill Snow White with a poisonous hair comb but Snow White got rescued by the dwarfs again who removed the poisonous hair comb from her hair. The third and final time was the poisonous apple but when the evil Queen (in disguise as an kind old lady) gave her the apple Snow white was sceptical and asked the Queen to eat from the apple. The apple was half red (poisonous side) half white (non poisonous side) and the disguised Queen cut the apple in half and gave Snow White the red poisonous side of ate the white non poisonous part herself. And after that it's like in the Disney version where the prince comes,kisses her, waking her up and takes her to his castle with him. 🏰
You are so intelligent and well-spoken, I'm going to subscribe.
Thank you! Greatly appreciate it!
@@Just_Judah: Subscribed, Bro!
The mistake pushed by feminism and some actual bad guys is that women aren’t also leaders in their home. In a good healthy home, mom and dad lead together even if one steps forth as spokesperson for the family and the partnership. They each lead in their areas of strength and support the other in theirs.
Absolutely! I totally agree with this. Women don't have to be leading an army to be strong or have leadership qualities. It's not to say they can't lead an army, it's to say leading a home is invalid.
I hate the snow white remake mainly because of how the actress acted, she's bratty and rotten selfish.
Yeah, she definitely could use an attitude adjustment.
One of the best commentaries I've heard so far! I completely agree with you! I am myself pretty bored with all the remakes, prequels and sequels that are made just because they have run out of original ideas for movies....
You bring up a great point, I totally forgot about prequels and sequels lol They gotta stop randomly pulling those out of thin air as well. It's so unoriginal!
I’ll watch The Brothers Grimm version of Snow White
I am curious as to how that version goes!
The only Disney remake that I love and respect is Cinderella. The actor, visual, and storyline all perfectly executed
That's what I keep hearing. I'm gonna have to give it a shot!
There's a lot of other things going on as well. Firstly, the reason why the character is called Snow White in the story is because her skin is literally white as snow. It's a case of racial appropriation. She doesn't fit the mold of Snow White in the same way that someone like Martin Klebba wouldn't fit the mold of Paul Bunyan. And speaking of people like Martin Klebba, this brings us to the second problem with this remake, the lack of little people in the supposedly "seven dwarfs". Here is something where they could really bring in some actual diversity to the main cast and it not be cringe, while still having seven "dwarfs". I could have cast it better blindfolded starting with Tony Cox, I like the casting of Martin Klebba and although Peter Dinklage is a little person I don't like his casting for the role because he is so toxic with regards to other little people getting roles. I like Kiruna Stamell (the Australian actress who played "La Petite Princesse" in Moulin Rouge), Meredith Eaton, Sofiya Cheyenne, Deep Roy, and of course Danny Woodburn who famously played Kramer's little person friend Mickey Abbott in Seinfeld. As you can see, the cast I have selected has diversity of gender and ethnicity while sticking to the "Seven Dwarfs" definition of the characters.
And that's the issue, there's nothing wrong with diversity as long as it stays true to the definition of the character.
That's a fantastic point about casting little people and sticking to the original while still technically enforcing diversity. Awesome fantasy cast by the way!
Basically, all these modern films are doing. Is taking a male role switching it to a female, but don't change any of the characteristics of the character. So you end up with a very masculine female character.
Exactly. And that's a really lazy, shallow way or trying to design a female character that you'd want to portray as strong!
Honestly, these remakes or new generation changes are starting to feel like just excuses to remove aspects about a story or character for the sake of todays standards even though they might not even be offensive in the first place.
Seriously, it's just taking the namesake of something and changing it completely so you get leeway on people giving the new adaptation a chance based on that namesake.
It’s not like remakes and new adaptations can’t improve upon the source material. Some do expand upon and even improve upon the original in various ways.
My problem with a lot of Disney remakes are they either miss the point of the original or remade something that was already fine to begin with.
If they’re gonna remake movies, they should remake their more criticised works and create an interesting story that makes us think about those stories in a new light. Pocahontas would actually make for an incredible time-period drama if it were historically accurate or even remake The Black Cauldron and adapt more faithfully from the books.
It’s not like it’s impossible to re-adapt Snow White. We already have more faithful Grimms adaptations before and after 1937. The changes here just feel so cynical. It’s not even the fairy tale or the Disney movie anymore. Taking out the dwarfs was taking away jobs for people with dwarfism which is just not right.
Regardless of people’s opinions on remakes and adaptations, the one thing they needed to do was flesh out and expand upon the Disney film, giving the Prince far more agency and just making the kingdom feel like a real kingdom filled with commoners.
Instead, it feels like it’ll be a shitshow. A failure to even try to understand the Disney movie and it’s alienating everyone.
I totally agree on all the paintpoints that you reached here. There are definitely ways that a remake could be an improvement or just additional development upon the original. However, the modern remakes fail to do anything valuable and choose to alienate their audience as a whole.
I really like your idea for a platonic relationship between the prince and Snow White. Like imagine the prince actually falls for Snow White, and wants to pursue a romantic relationship with Snow White. But Snow White says that she only sees him as a friend. And the prince could come to respect Snow White's decision, but still support her and care for her, because she is his friend.
Like this would be a great way to show the positive qualities that a man (or actually any person) should have. That is respecting the decision of someone else, but still supporting them as a friend, because you still care and love them as a friend. This is a good way to paint men as being good people, instead of constantly bashing on men and saying how they are not good due to being incompetent or being evil.
It would just be a million times better than painting him out as an evil stalker! I feel like they're pushing this gender war rhetoric and perpetuating the rivalry for no reason. It's so messed up!
@@Just_Judah Yeah I agree. Like a lot of modern cinema and/or TV shows just seem to have some disdain for men, and are also hyper focused on having a strong leading female character, that they forsake many things required for a good piece of work. Like storytelling, logic, and other things are practically ignored, just to push out these agendas.
@@bensonabernathy4664 And good storytelling should be the focus of the media! Someone doesn't need to be oppressed or seen as someone harmful in order to write a good story.
Agreed@@Just_Judah
The reason why the studios have this tendency to do reboots, remakes, sequels, prequels is because they know people are stupid enough to open their wallets they also know people love nostalgia so why would they waste that opportunity.
True that. People do LOVE nostalgia, even if it isn't handled correctly when they do the remakes!
Your discretion was basically Barbie too a tee
Yeah there was a lot of controversy caused by that film and I'm not surprised!