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This video is absolutely amazing, not only because of the facts that you state but because this applies to both genders as well! It's not that gender is the problem itself, it's the concept or the constant nurturing idea that media gives that woman = weakness, which of course, is absolutely not the case at all.

I agree with you but the fact you have to go explaining everything from ground up means we have gone so far out of the right way

What Hollywood misses about strong female characters is growth and showing vulnerability. For example in Attack on Titan, Mikasa Ackerman a badass Titan killing machine is madly in love with Erin jaeger in season 1. When her friend Armin discloses that he died due to his cowardice she remains stoic. Later through the episode the pain of losing him gets to her. In her moment of weakness she is ready to be eaten. But a split second before that happens she overcomes her sorrow and fights back even when the odds are against her, later in that episode it’s discovered eren did not die. Mikasa runs to embrace him as she lets a long painful yet cathartic cry. That’s how you make a strong female character. A woman overcoming adversity while realizing and accepting her flaws and weaknesses. Not an untouchable god who can do no wrong (Captain marvel.)

I love how every time this conversation comes up, Riply and Sarah are immediately brought to the table. They are absolutely well written characters, but come on people.....dig a little deeper. They're brought up so often and regularly that they've become cliches. Here's the other thing. Everyone gets the wrong version of them. For Ellen Ripley, we always get the Aliens version of her. No.....its the Alien version. In Alien, she's a himanized character who basically becomes the final surviving character through luck. She is simply fortunate enough to not be in the wrong places. She does have to finally man up at the end when its just her and the alien though. In Aliens, she becomes a comic book super hero. The entire highly trained and equipped marine platoon gets wiped out within a day and a half, yet she becomes efficient with a firearm after a two minute lesson. She's still a good character, but she's more the type of "strong female character" that we are all hating on in modern movies. Same with Sarah Conor. In the original Terminator, she is an average scared girl who gets swept up in something that no one could deal with in that short amount of time, yet she finds the fortitude to just keep surviving to the next moment. In T2, she becomes a comic book super hero. When and where did she learn to confidently handle firearms if she was institutionalized after the first movie? Her character in the second movie is badass, but she's lost all since of her humanity. These are the two go to's as it pertains to strong female characters who are well written, but get the right versions of them when referring to them. And I still believe that if Aliens and Terminator 2 were made today, these two characters would be tossed on the heap of Mary Sues.

How about the weak dude being saved by the hero? Who's he a Daniel in distress?

Let's be completely real : if those movies came out today they would be scrutinized as well. Especially Terminator. Sarah Connor would be complained about by both sides

Like I said before when I write fanfics centered around female characters being the main protagonist, I don't focus on empowering her or molding her into a “strong independent whamen”. Yes, I focus on making her a strong female character with proper growth and good sex appeal because games like Neir, Stellar Blade, and DEAD OR ALIVE are living proof that sex sells and brings in more audiences. I remember getting so much hate towards my fanfic, only because I didn’t make Honoka from DOA a super smart and strong independent women and stuck to the source material of her personality of being sweet, bubbly and easy going, yet naive mixed with being an airhead who loves to fight. Yeah, Honoka is smart due to her knowledge of various types of martial arts, but they also fail to realize that she’s not entire academically smart. Let’s face it, people are tired of the same generic cookie cutter feminist characters, especially when femininity is heavily demonized.

Spiderman, Superman, Hulk, GL all have to deal with their powers as they develop. It was shown the hardships they overcame in dealing with them. Captain Marvel, Shulk, Rey never show that realistically. Unless Shulk's twerking was her dealing with it or captain marvel sneering a lot helped her deal with it. Do you really think Rey could really hurt Ren? Nope.

I disagree that overpowered characters can't be interesting. I consider Momonga from Overlord and Hulk interesting, even if unrelatable

Genuinely, these writers should watch Justice League: The Animated Series to see how well female characters have been done. Wonder Woman is the perfect example of someone trying to do the right thing, but at the same time, has human emotions and makes mistakes that ground her. I can say the same thing about Hawkgirl as well. Also, I'd have them watch Star Wars: The Clone Wars to get a sense of another good female character in the form of Ahsoka Tano, who grew from adolescent Padawan to respected and mature hero throughout the course of the show, and she made several mistakes before becoming the best she ended up being. That is character development. It doesn't make them weak. It makes them human. That, in turn, makes them strong. If they have virtually no flaws, there is no journey to go through, and therefore, that makes them uninteresting.

I am entirely unashamed to admit Michelle Rodriguez as Trudy Chacon and Linda Hamilton as Young Sarah Connor in Judgement Day made me realize I liked women with proverbial guns and actual guns.

I want more loser girls. Girls who are boring and uncool. She sucks at everything. She’s kind of gross. She has no job

I really need you to put a list of Mary Sue characters. comapred to who you are showing. Because holy shit. If you think Scarlet Witch is a Mary Sue you have not been paying attention.

Moana was probably the last greatly written female character that Disney made.

Growing up characters like trinity, eowyn, Sara Connor, rippley, princess mononoke, were always characters to look up to regardless of the fact that they're a different gender than I am, modern writers really have lost the plot

In my opinion, the "strongest" female character I've ever read about has to be Mrs. Frisbee from The Rats of NIHM.

Tbh, the old, well written f3m4le protaginists were actually good because they were written like they were men, but the key resided in the fact that they didn't get rid of their feminity : et voilà.

curious but what show is 2:15? thank you. i would say more, but I agree with all your points said. so. lol.

How to write great characters: Don't write about "strong female, gay, lesbian, trans, black, asian, etc characters." Simply write strong characters. "Who" they are is more essential than "what" they are. "What" they are is the cherry on top, not the ice cream itself.

Maybe I'm old but for me Ellen Ripley the ultimate Strong female Charakter especialy in Alien and Aliens. She fight, she strugles but she never gave up

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This reminds me of a story i wrote taking place in a dark fantasy steampunk modern-ish setting with swords, magic and guns. One character i wrote greatly depicts a strong female character named kalina Kalina is born without magic, despite her setback and lack of magic, she makes uo for it by using guns as a means to fight back, but she still has struggles with guns despite training with them for years and knows she isnt the best with guns, but she still makes it. She wears a elegents dress with a jacket over it and her hair tied in a braided bun with tall brown boots for comfort and movement. Growing up she envyed that her older sister was able to use magic and was regarded at being great with magic, this kinda grow to be a bit of a revivelry, despite the difference between the two, she learns that she isnt perfect, nor is her sister who still has a alot to learn from her actions. Despite failing and lossing, she learns from her mistakes to improve on whats wrong, coming up with new ways to outwit and bybass her enemys in a fight, sinces shes cant use magic and isnt that physically strong, she makes up for it by using speed, flexiblity and aim with her advantage.

Laurie Strode fighting evil itself while just being a teenager trying to babysit the children goes crazy

I'm glad you added scenes from [Claymore]. Those ladies were true "girl bosses". Flawed, angry, and powerful.

This is a definition of why (Almost) every modern films nowadays SUCKS!!!

Another good example of a "strong woman" is in the movie "Jolt" from 2021 In short, the main character, Lindy, has anger issues and with that problems with controlling reflexes, which results in her hurting people often. Thankfully her doctor made a vest that zaps her whenever she feels like she's about to break (except she has to manually zap herself) I wont say more, watch the movie yourselves fellas It may not be peak cinema and may be a bit absurd but its a good movie It can be taken as a Mary Sue tho

woman at media always need to be sex appeal or “men” dont like

Of all the languages this guy could talk, he chose to speak facts

A huge difference between female characters written by men and women. Men write who and what the female characters are meant to be. Women write themselves into female characters 😂

I enjoyed this my guy

The one thing i don't understand is why everyone only hate WOMEN mary sues? Male ones are extremely well liked in pretty much all media they're in?

Looking at Goku and Ryu (from SF) definitely played into my body insecurities growing up as a scrawny teen. But the conversations were always focused on Cammy, and how sexual she is and how her body was too perfect for young girls to achieve. Thank you for adding to the discussion brother 👏🏿👏🏿

Stone Ocean is an excellent example of powerful female characters done right, honestly. Yeah, Jolyne and her friends win most of the fights they're in, but they aren't depicted as invincible. They're beaten black and blue almost every fight.

Death of Ace and how Batman gave her company and peace breaks me every time. Even Amanda Waller felt her lost humanity for a moment and she was one of the most ruthless female powerhouse I have ever seen in comics who doesn't even have any inhuman abilities.

The difference is that a strong, female character is a rounded, good character that just happens to be female. That's it. Strong, female character is flawed and overcomes her obstacles with wit and bravery, she grows and learns from her mistakes. She might even waver and coward in the face of danger, but she pushes through. She's a human being. Mary Sue doesn't learn or grow because she's already perfect. She's boring to watch because she gets nowhere personally, she remains the same insufferable know-it-all, powerful, deux ex machina, plot armored character through all the ordeal.

Demona - great character, which tells, that being minority and harassed doesnt stop you from hecoming racist and xenophobe.

i dont remember who said it but it was along the lines: If u want to make a great female charcters. Make a great character thats just happents to be female.

Korra in TLoK is a good strong character who happens to be female. She was frequently her own worst enemy, extremely cocky but easily crushed by the weight of expectation placed on her and so prone to making hasty and often bad decisions in heated moments. Her strength came from the masters who trained her and the allies who supported her, when she learned to accept their help and adapt their teachings to her own mindset and this made her incredibly powerful in the end. I think the best thing about Korra was the crippling PTSD she got from nearly dying to Zaheer. This didn't disappear between seasons 3 and 4 but persisted canonically for the years that were skipped between them. They ended season 3 with her in a wheelchair and with this awful defeated look on her face. Seeing her able to walk and fight again at the start of season 4 showed her extremely determined side but the trauma was crippling in its own right. As much as season 4 did wrong, it never devalued Korra's trauma.

5:23 who is this?

I can’t count anime as strong female character. All anime characters are essentially feminine anyway with just over done cartoon action.

8:21 and 8:29 Marina and Kagero looked similar especially when they were both in blue.

Female characters were better when they weren't trying. They were just characters.

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I dislike representation sometimes. Sometimes it just isnt done right

I love that people are always talking about how older media is outdated and yet it seems the best female characters are in the older movies and tv shows and the newer stuff can't write good female characters for shit.

Here’s the thing there is so many ways to make a female protagonist, good and independent strong so many good ways to do that but Mary Sue she doesn’t do that. She just makes her characters. Just kind of dumb say women are better and then make every man in the show as dumb as a box of rocks.

Well the truth is these new characters are being written by modern LA residents. They were made by them for them. If you want functional characters, you cant expect to get them from the people who live in Los Angeles in 2024.

finally a non mysogonyst explaining this trope

Weakness ruining movies and TV shows for the people who don't just watch movies and shows as time passes, some groups of people now targeting Japanese anime makers for lack of diversification

If somebody asks me strong women in movies : 1. Adrian (Rocky) 2. Ripley (Alien) 3. Sara Connor (Terminator) 4. Black Widow (MCU) 5. Sydney (Scream)