@@Mysucculentchinesemeal Bullshido IS in every country no doubt, for example I consider Mihkail Ryabko a George Dillman of the Slavic world. But I doubt that Systema, when it began in the 70s was a Bullshido, since the Soviet Army had no place for that. Owning businesses was not allowed, so creating Bullshido schools to make money was not an option. I am still researching into that.
@@Mysucculentchinesemeal Not all Systema is bullshido, I discovered this channel recently, but it looks like mainly the schools associated with that fat guy and his friends are the ones that are full of bullshite.
My first Systema instructor was also a practitioner of Yin Baguazhang. I have also been practicing Baguazhang for several years and find a few parallels. For example we have 'Kong Jin' or 'empty force strikes' that are used to penetrate to the organs, similar to a Systema ballistic strike. Baguazhang is all about circling and spiraling around your opponent/s and striking from awkward angles, similar to Systema short striking work. Watching Sonny Puzikas videos, you can see that some of his footwork is reminiscent of 'Higher Basin' circle walking - fluid, natural, and makes you disappear. Breathing, structure, relaxation and continuous movement are also fundamental to Baguazhang. We develop this with Circle Walking qigong, partner sets, and transitioning guas (forms) similar to when we walk towards each other in Systema class and avoid touching while keeping structure, then transitioning into striking as we walk, then transitioning into running and changing between evasion and striking.
Wow, a pleasure to meet a fellow baguazhang and Systema practitioner! I practice Cheng Baguazhang, and I am a bit familiar with the Yin style. We are like opposites, since I heard Yin style is mostly about stricking right? In Cheng style we concentrate more on footwork, tripping, and throws at close range, but the core is still good ol' Bagua of course :)
@@mikitadou From what I understand yes, Yin is about striking, their Yin Palm is a Snake form, like a Karate Spear Hand. It was my Systema instructor that was Yin, my main style is Wang Shujin's Baguazhang and my former backround with focus on Eight Animals. My first Sifu and latest instructor actually emphasized the importance on grappling and striking for a fuller style. That's what I love about Bagua, it's made for what the practitioner needs.
I think a big diff between systema I learned and the Taiji I learned is that TCMA has certain cultural baggage that systema does not - specifically around ground fighting. In systema it's not considered a big deal to roll out of a throw or do a sutemi but in TCMA culture that's a big loss of face. This in turn affects body mechanics a little. Less reliance on a wide stance for traction, more reliance on whips and lateral rotation, complimented by core strengthening exercises coupled with breathing exercises closer IME to yoga than chikung. ROSS used to have a presence in the USA, under the direction of a certain Scott Sonnon. Unfortunately there was some kind of falling out, and Sonnon started this thing called RMAX, and then Maximology (I think that was different) and ROSS in the USA was no more. I did meet a couple of former students, they seemed to fit in within the skill spectrum you'd encounter in Vasiliev's class - not newbies, not top dogs, but not a lot ROSS of training around outside of tapes.
I completely agree with your observation. Chinese martial arts, and all Asian martial arts have grown very in tune with their culture and norms, so there is definitely some baggage there, but when the question is about survival, all such baggage and "honor system" nonsense should be thrown out the window, if you can roll to escape from your opponent, you clearly should do it. I see! I didn't know that ROSS Systema has presence in USA before, its a shame that it couldn't last, since they are pretty complete and would definitely help to fix Systema's public image. Do you still practice Taiji or Systema?
@@mikitadou Scott Sonnon became the first licensed ROSS instructor in '96, and would become the North American director of Russian Martial Art Federation. He had interaction with Vasiliev's side of things.
No. That's BS and maybe a marketing strategy from whomever. VV have had only 2 Teachers, Michael and .. 'Unkle ..Pete' i think. A WW2 Vet, who 'trained' knife combat, but not for training in that way. He is working very hard, very fast, no playin', didn't take care of the wellbeing of the student, it was only about survive on battleground. He comes from a kind of Samurai-Style. VV always honored Michael as the Source and Perfection of all knowledge, so why should he skip the line and go to another teacher? In his own words he combat MR one times, and failed in such a way he would never try this.. And also he neverever take other teacher down. He simple didn't care. VV is a honorable guy, so i have faith in His stories, not of someone who tells something somewhere. Maybe it was the opposite. After the big success of Ryabko Systema, some people think a) this isn't what i learned b) my viewpoint is different c) i won't be a student of MR and d) i will also teach students; so ROSS and Kadochnikov pops up. And all others then many ys later.
@@mikitadou the whole debacle with VV, ROSS, Sonnon, and Reystunski is a result of Russia not having copyright laws in the 90's/00's VV was sent some material from Russia, which he sold as documentary footage to showcase different Russian styles, saving MR for last. Sonnon had copyrighted the ROSS portions and sued VV. They settled out of court. It should be clear though that VV never claimed the ROSS footage as his stuff - it was more of a survey of styles. Sonnon also used the copyright to rebrand to Maximology etc.
This is Amazing. This was the only style of Systema that I got a chance to study & it's very Strong on fiscal exercise & ground engagement that I understand. Unfortunately I have no other comparison to work with but I do practice Temple style Taijiquan. Thank You for all this information.
Its a pleasure to meet another Systema and internal martial arts enthusiast! I agree that ROSS looks very cool, unfortunatly I never had a chance to try it, but I hope someday I will be able to experience a class or two, to make a fair judgement. Do you still practice?
@@mikitadou I am a student & this art is endless & I am still learning. Ironically we never called it Systema only ROSS. Regardless of the similarity I was always wondering if ROSS was connected to Systema. I didn't like what I have see from Systema because it, to my limited view was not "concrete" or thoroughly sequenced for me. Now thanks to You, I see the connection more & find that I value ROSS even more, if that makes any sense.
@@MrEdium Its really nice to meet a fellow practitioner and enthusiast of these arts! Regarding Systema and ROSS connection, ROSS basically is translated as : ( Росси́йская Оте́чественная Систе́ма Самозащи́ты ) So one of the "S"' from ROSS stands for Systema ;) I am glad that my information could be of help! More Systema vids are coming, as there is still a lot to tell.
Interesting, I never heard about this Systema. This one does look to share similar concepts to fajin, and Taiji power absorption. I want to research about it more deeply. BTW, make a vid about that Ukrainian war dancing thing! it impressed me!
Yeah, fajin is a fascinating topic, I have practiced it for many years but I am still not satisfied with my restuls, so more training is due! Fajin is also differently generated in the external and internal styles, and then there is also hidden fajin...its a whole can of worms. Regarding Systema ROSS, they seem to practice similar concepts, but without static positions to develop the sense of "sinking" mass. Did you train in something similar? Yes! I will explore Hopak in later videos :)
@@mikitadou Yes I did, but I never been able to reach a good level with instant power release. Are you still working on it? would be interesting to share experience.
"... specific pose and body alignment which are almost impossible to pull off in a real fight." - I have never heard of this criticism before. Maybe this is a confusion between how Taijiquan does fighting and how Taijiquan practices Taolu (Forms)? A lot of the applications are actually the movements and transitionings between the 'poses'. I think there's a side to Taijiquan that many are not aware of. If we look at the forms in Chen Style Taijiquan (where all the other Taijiquan originates from): Yi Lu (Yin Set) - focuses on techniques of yielding, attaching, and changing in relation to opponent’s movement, higher percentage of applications focused on manipulation, breaking structure, and trapping methods. So these are stuff addressed in the video. Er Lu (Yang Set) - focuses on expressing developed internal energy, offensive striking, non-attachment, and hardness in relation to opponents’ force and movement, higher percentage of impact/striking actions, jumping, lunging, and more athletic movements. I think Er Lu is a side to Taijiquan many aren't too aware such as this short clip here: th-cam.com/video/xNHwlJ66z0o/w-d-xo.html
Wow, to be honest I never seen Er Lu being performed this way! His body motion looks almost like a full unit, will the whole body moving to deliver every single motion! Awesome stuff, thanks for sharing! I practice baguazhang, and in there we generate fajin usually from the San-Ti-Shi position ( also happens to be the main stance in Bagua). Do you practice Chen Style?
@@mikitadou Yes, I practice Chen Style. My teacher is an early disciple of Chen Yu (the guy in the video I just shared); he can move just like Chen Yu as well. For this line, Fajin is mapped all over the place in both forms, and the method to deliver varies. Some are more obvious than others. Each one has to be trained and practiced separately on its own. The stances, the legs, the root of this line is so sophisticated and miserable to practice that I consider this lineage to be the world's most painful "Tai Chi" to practice. There's a lot of "Eater Bitter" and suffering. I have to be masochistic enough to continue practicing and sadistic enough to enjoy watching fellow students suffer. There's a saying like: "Practice Circle; Use Straight" which means a lot of moves have a circle. When you get more refined, the circles become harder to notice. The movements get straighter as more of the circle happens in the body instead (that's probably what you saw when you notice the unity of Chen Yu's movements). Circles often contain multiple applications whereas if you just practice straight, that's like only 1 application. I notice in arts like Aikido or Judo, they practice technique by technique. And while there are concrete individual applications in Taijiquan that must be shown and taught, I find it interesting how the form allows you to practice multiple applications at the same time without negating any one of them.
@@ShadowParalyzer That's really intesteresting, it is actaully very difficult to find somebody who is really proficinet in fajin and baofali, there are many examples of people teaching it on youtube, but the first comments of those vidoes always say "that's not a true fajin". So I am grateful that you shared that vid with me. I will research more into Chen style Taiji. Do you also practice zhan zhuang? Since its one of the best ways to feel and bulild the "sinking power" to deliver more power from the "dantian".
@@mikitadou In the old days of Taijiquan, every stance in Taolu is our Zhan Zhuang. However, modern commercialized Chen Style might advertize one standard Zhan Zhuang that is often found in seminars with large groups of people. That type of Zhang Zhuang is more of a recent creation - very likely invented to make it easier to teach a very large crowd of people. So traditionally, we don’t have one standard Zhan Zhuang that we practice. Every time we finish shifting in Taolu, we can hold it there and let our leg burn in agonizing pain. Once we cannot take it anymore, we can shift to next leg to burn that one instead. In Chen Yu’s lineage in particular, our “Zhan Zhuang” is so much more physically demanding than other lineages and styles that an untrained person won’t last longer than a few seconds. A trained practitioner won’t last longer than half a minute if done correctly; half a minute would be considered an accomplishment. My point is that our Zhan Zhuang is so miserable and painful that it’s not like one of those Shaolin monks or Hung Gar practitioners who can stay in a horse stance for 1 hour long. Just 30 seconds of correct practice in Chen Yu’s lineage will burn the hell out of the weighted leg. I should also note that this is uniquely the case in this lineage. This is not the case for most Chen Style or Taijiquan as a whole. The reason for this is because Chen Yu’s foundation is very different than other lineages. The line has rules, details, nuances, alignments, and mechanics that are not found in other lines. I know of two Chen Taijiquan instructors from different lineages (with 10+ years of experience) who came to my teacher to try it out. They couldn’t last even the first few postures of Taolu. One of them even quit his lineage to start from scratch and learn from my teacher - meaning he abandoned decades’ worth of commitment just to start from scratch. So long story short, yes! We practice Zhan Zhuang and “sinking” - much to our great misery. This is why Taijiquan traditionally practices slowly because it HURTS! We would love to go fast to alleviate ourselves of our misery, but that would be easy! Going slow = Harder = Bitter = building connection and refining our movements. It also builds what we call 'Gong Li' which means structural strength that’s trained into existence.
Hi, I'm a teacher from chinese Martial art also systema, l agree with you, internal training have the same principles...in fact l found systema After 30 years of chinese practice, at this time l have learn that exist only One Martial art, with differents style...thanks
ROSS Systema? Never heard of it before but it looks interesting. I always was interested in internal material arts too, and that dancing looks amazing! What exercises do you perform for the whip -like power generation?
I think ROSS Systema has a lot to offer, its rather a shame that it left unnoticed while many crappy schools are taking all the spotlight. I will explore more about Hopak dancing and its combat variation in the future! For whip-like power generation, its best to start with standing rooting position, sinking your center of mass, and to let go off your arms. There are many exercises, I would make an instructional video sometime later.
One way is to get an actual whip and practice with it. Then perform the action without the whip to understand what's happening. Then try whipping a target (politely), then punching without the whip. It's not the end technique, but it's a nice learning method to help detach unnecessary tension through the body that would prevent the little "snap" at the end of the whip, and would mess up an effective punch in that style.
I love Systema. I took Greco Roman Wrestling, Tangsoodo Sambo & Systema. Bryant Perrella he's the man in Boxing 🥊🥊 Professional & I like Dan the Wolfman Theodore MMA fighter he does Systema Combatives. God bless 🙏🥋🥊🥊👍
I am very glad that you enjoyed it! Yes more Systema related videos are coming! As there are many interesting styles and sub-divisions in Systema it is a very wide topic! I want to cover DK Yoo's Systema first, and then I will go into Izvor :)
you said the magic words: biomechanics and torque. focus and practice of these is what separates legit from bullshido. even if its hard to hold onto when youre seeing red like you said
You know a lot! Yeah, by cleverly using the biomechanics and torque, you can create situations which would look staged or unrealistic to certain people, but the experienced individuals or the ones with sharp eyes can see the inner workings of these techniques.
Back in the 90's, ROSS was my first exposure to Systema as it was the only Systema that I could find that had an instructor who spoke English, somewhat. I still do the morning exercises as they are life changing.
I have been interested in fajin lately, I want to learn real thing but not many martial arts teach it in a legit way. I will check this systema if I can! What exercises do you recommend??
What martial arts do you practice? or practiced? That would help me understand your background, since maybe you already know the concepts :) The best exercises to begin with is rooting while sinking your center of gravity to get attuned to the gravitation. The next step is the full body relaxation in that position, which goes along with proper breathing and concentration techniques. I will make a detailed instructional video sometime later!
I always thought Systema lends itself well to Chinese internal martial arts. Particularly related to what's done in Tai Chi Pushing Hands (Tui Shou). So it was great to see someone else draw the conclusion. That and seeing a good comparison of the two shown in the video.
interesting how close that stuff is to chinese internal martial arts. Like the excercise at 4:10 looks like Yiquan practice (its kind of a relative of xing yi quan).
From what I have discovered from it so far, I must agree. I am actually very surprised that Aleksander Retuinskih does not mind that, and is not thinking about commercially expanding ROSS Systema abroad, Probably it keeps it pure. Better to have a few good quality schools rather than over 200 Systema Ryabko schools with most of them teaching an incomplete or flat-out wrong knowledge.
i think it has similarity with chinese martial arts like tai chi but also with aikido or tae kwon do and of course judo boxing . the characteristics of systema like martial arts is the relaxing part in striking or throwing which is interesting based in biomechanics. it should practised in live fights like ufc to become more alive
It seems you have quite a bit of experience, since your observation is on point! That's right! the parodoxical reality is that the more relaxed you are, the more "heavy" and penetrative your strikes get! Most people, even professionals, are too tense during striking, and by that they are robbing themselves of a lot of power and stamina. Its very hard to reach that level of relaxation in an actual fight though, but we should try!
@@mikitadou hehe yes! The systema pov is an advanced pov in combat sports even that is already known that relaxation is an advantage systema made it Popular. It is difficult to achieve it in reality but yea why not?!
Interesting! Do you have a video on Skobar? Curious if any of that made its way into Systema. I have heard it claimed that Systema is largely a blend of Sambo and Taijiquan. No idea if that’s true or not.
I am glad that you are interested in real systema, I didn't do a video on skobar yet, but I am planning on it. Yes there is a lot of unconfirmed information ever since 1970s that Kadochnikov got at least 50% of ideas and techniques from deep scientific studies of internal Chinese martial arts.
I was in Shaolin Kempo Karate for 6 months to a year and might have gotten my yellow belt if I hadn't been I Jared in a punching drill. I was training to be a powerlifter and couldn't bench press too well or squat well either. My back was fouled up. I would try mixing some WC and Systema and other arts to fit your personal needs. I can't defend nor can I criticize this style of Systema. I don't really know enough about.
Systema is a lifestyle if you practice long enough. Similar to most martial arts, you start off focusing on the physical aspects and evolve into the spiritual ones. Systema is 100% effective in self-defense for any age, sex, or level of fitness.
Yes, but not all Systema styles are efficient. There are plenty of fake Systema styles out there. its like almost every few years a new "Systema" pops up. From my experience. I would stick to Systema ROSS and the original Systema Kadochnikova.
There are no ROSS schools in Ukraine to my knowledge. I practiced Systema Kadochnikova In Kiev though. Its very related, but some say that ROSS conserved the original Systema legacy more so than modern Systema Kadochnikova itself.
Do you think that the ROSS Systema takes the most influence form the Internal Chinese martial arts?
Led me know in the comments below!
I am well acquainted with bullshido I just find it really interesting that they are in every country.
@@Mysucculentchinesemeal Bullshido IS in every country no doubt, for example I consider Mihkail Ryabko a George Dillman of the Slavic world. But I doubt that Systema, when it began in the 70s was a Bullshido, since the Soviet Army had no place for that. Owning businesses was not allowed, so creating Bullshido schools to make money was not an option. I am still researching into that.
@@Mysucculentchinesemeal But seriously, please consider researching about systema and what is all about.
@@Mysucculentchinesemeal Not all Systema is bullshido, I discovered this channel recently, but it looks like mainly the schools associated with that fat guy and his friends are the ones that are full of bullshite.
Look up Martin wheeler and Paul Genge.
My first Systema instructor was also a practitioner of Yin Baguazhang. I have also been practicing Baguazhang for several years and find a few parallels. For example we have 'Kong Jin' or 'empty force strikes' that are used to penetrate to the organs, similar to a Systema ballistic strike. Baguazhang is all about circling and spiraling around your opponent/s and striking from awkward angles, similar to Systema short striking work. Watching Sonny Puzikas videos, you can see that some of his footwork is reminiscent of 'Higher Basin' circle walking - fluid, natural, and makes you disappear. Breathing, structure, relaxation and continuous movement are also fundamental to Baguazhang. We develop this with Circle Walking qigong, partner sets, and transitioning guas (forms) similar to when we walk towards each other in Systema class and avoid touching while keeping structure, then transitioning into striking as we walk, then transitioning into running and changing between evasion and striking.
Wow, a pleasure to meet a fellow baguazhang and Systema practitioner!
I practice Cheng Baguazhang, and I am a bit familiar with the Yin style. We are like opposites, since I heard Yin style is mostly about stricking right? In Cheng style we concentrate more on footwork, tripping, and throws at close range, but the core is still good ol' Bagua of course :)
@@mikitadou From what I understand yes, Yin is about striking, their Yin Palm is a Snake form, like a Karate Spear Hand. It was my Systema instructor that was Yin, my main style is Wang Shujin's Baguazhang and my former backround with focus on Eight Animals. My first Sifu and latest instructor actually emphasized the importance on grappling and striking for a fuller style. That's what I love about Bagua, it's made for what the practitioner needs.
Now, this is something that I would not mind trying out! Good vid man
I think a big diff between systema I learned and the Taiji I learned is that TCMA has certain cultural baggage that systema does not - specifically around ground fighting. In systema it's not considered a big deal to roll out of a throw or do a sutemi but in TCMA culture that's a big loss of face. This in turn affects body mechanics a little. Less reliance on a wide stance for traction, more reliance on whips and lateral rotation, complimented by core strengthening exercises coupled with breathing exercises closer IME to yoga than chikung.
ROSS used to have a presence in the USA, under the direction of a certain Scott Sonnon. Unfortunately there was some kind of falling out, and Sonnon started this thing called RMAX, and then Maximology (I think that was different) and ROSS in the USA was no more. I did meet a couple of former students, they seemed to fit in within the skill spectrum you'd encounter in Vasiliev's class - not newbies, not top dogs, but not a lot ROSS of training around outside of tapes.
I completely agree with your observation. Chinese martial arts, and all Asian martial arts have grown very in tune with their culture and norms, so there is definitely some baggage there, but when the question is about survival, all such baggage and "honor system" nonsense should be thrown out the window, if you can roll to escape from your opponent, you clearly should do it.
I see! I didn't know that ROSS Systema has presence in USA before, its a shame that it couldn't last, since they are pretty complete and would definitely help to fix Systema's public image.
Do you still practice Taiji or Systema?
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Scott Sonnon became the first licensed ROSS instructor in '96, and would become the North American director of Russian Martial Art Federation.
He had interaction with Vasiliev's side of things.
@@SyeedAli I heard that Vasiliev copied some of the ROSS teachings, is that true?
No.
That's BS and maybe a marketing strategy from whomever.
VV have had only 2 Teachers, Michael and .. 'Unkle ..Pete' i think.
A WW2 Vet, who 'trained' knife combat, but not for training in that way. He is working very hard, very fast, no playin', didn't take care of the wellbeing of the student, it was only about survive on battleground. He comes from a kind of Samurai-Style.
VV always honored Michael as the Source and Perfection of all knowledge, so why should he skip the line and go to another teacher?
In his own words he combat MR one times, and failed in such a way he would never try this..
And also he neverever take other teacher down. He simple didn't care. VV is a honorable guy, so i have faith in His stories, not of someone who tells something somewhere.
Maybe it was the opposite. After the big success of Ryabko Systema, some people think a) this isn't what i learned b) my viewpoint is different c) i won't be a student of MR and d) i will also teach students; so ROSS and Kadochnikov pops up.
And all others then many ys later.
@@mikitadou the whole debacle with VV, ROSS, Sonnon, and Reystunski is a result of Russia not having copyright laws in the 90's/00's
VV was sent some material from Russia, which he sold as documentary footage to showcase different Russian styles, saving MR for last. Sonnon had copyrighted the ROSS portions and sued VV. They settled out of court. It should be clear though that VV never claimed the ROSS footage as his stuff - it was more of a survey of styles.
Sonnon also used the copyright to rebrand to Maximology etc.
This is Amazing. This was the only style of Systema that I got a chance to study & it's very Strong on fiscal exercise & ground engagement that I understand. Unfortunately I have no other comparison to work with but I do practice Temple style Taijiquan. Thank You for all this information.
Its a pleasure to meet another Systema and internal martial arts enthusiast! I agree that ROSS looks very cool, unfortunatly I never had a chance to try it, but I hope someday I will be able to experience a class or two, to make a fair judgement.
Do you still practice?
@@mikitadou I am a student & this art is endless & I am still learning. Ironically we never called it Systema only ROSS. Regardless of the similarity I was always wondering if ROSS was connected to Systema. I didn't like what I have see from Systema because it, to my limited view was not "concrete" or thoroughly sequenced for me. Now thanks to You, I see the connection more & find that I value ROSS even more, if that makes any sense.
@@MrEdium Its really nice to meet a fellow practitioner and enthusiast of these arts!
Regarding Systema and ROSS connection, ROSS basically is translated as :
( Росси́йская Оте́чественная Систе́ма Самозащи́ты ) So one of the "S"' from ROSS stands for Systema ;)
I am glad that my information could be of help! More Systema vids are coming, as there is still a lot to tell.
Interesting, I never heard about this Systema.
This one does look to share similar concepts to fajin, and Taiji power absorption. I want to research about it more deeply.
BTW, make a vid about that Ukrainian war dancing thing! it impressed me!
Yeah, fajin is a fascinating topic, I have practiced it for many years but I am still not satisfied with my restuls, so more training is due! Fajin is also differently generated in the external and internal styles, and then there is also hidden fajin...its a whole can of worms.
Regarding Systema ROSS, they seem to practice similar concepts, but without static positions to develop the sense of "sinking" mass. Did you train in something similar?
Yes! I will explore Hopak in later videos :)
@@mikitadou Yes I did, but I never been able to reach a good level with instant power release. Are you still working on it? would be interesting to share experience.
"... specific pose and body alignment which are almost impossible to pull off in a real fight." - I have never heard of this criticism before. Maybe this is a confusion between how Taijiquan does fighting and how Taijiquan practices Taolu (Forms)?
A lot of the applications are actually the movements and transitionings between the 'poses'.
I think there's a side to Taijiquan that many are not aware of. If we look at the forms in Chen Style Taijiquan (where all the other Taijiquan originates from):
Yi Lu (Yin Set) - focuses on techniques of yielding, attaching, and changing in relation to opponent’s movement, higher percentage of applications focused on manipulation, breaking structure, and trapping methods. So these are stuff addressed in the video.
Er Lu (Yang Set) - focuses on expressing developed internal energy, offensive striking, non-attachment, and hardness in relation to opponents’ force and movement, higher percentage of impact/striking actions, jumping, lunging, and more athletic movements.
I think Er Lu is a side to Taijiquan many aren't too aware such as this short clip here: th-cam.com/video/xNHwlJ66z0o/w-d-xo.html
Wow, to be honest I never seen Er Lu being performed this way! His body motion looks almost like a full unit, will the whole body moving to deliver every single motion! Awesome stuff, thanks for sharing!
I practice baguazhang, and in there we generate fajin usually from the San-Ti-Shi position ( also happens to be the main stance in Bagua).
Do you practice Chen Style?
@@mikitadou Yes, I practice Chen Style. My teacher is an early disciple of Chen Yu (the guy in the video I just shared); he can move just like Chen Yu as well.
For this line, Fajin is mapped all over the place in both forms, and the method to deliver varies. Some are more obvious than others. Each one has to be trained and practiced separately on its own. The stances, the legs, the root of this line is so sophisticated and miserable to practice that I consider this lineage to be the world's most painful "Tai Chi" to practice. There's a lot of "Eater Bitter" and suffering. I have to be masochistic enough to continue practicing and sadistic enough to enjoy watching fellow students suffer.
There's a saying like: "Practice Circle; Use Straight" which means a lot of moves have a circle. When you get more refined, the circles become harder to notice. The movements get straighter as more of the circle happens in the body instead (that's probably what you saw when you notice the unity of Chen Yu's movements). Circles often contain multiple applications whereas if you just practice straight, that's like only 1 application.
I notice in arts like Aikido or Judo, they practice technique by technique. And while there are concrete individual applications in Taijiquan that must be shown and taught, I find it interesting how the form allows you to practice multiple applications at the same time without negating any one of them.
@@ShadowParalyzer That's really intesteresting, it is actaully very difficult to find somebody who is really proficinet in fajin and baofali, there are many examples of people teaching it on youtube, but the first comments of those vidoes always say "that's not a true fajin".
So I am grateful that you shared that vid with me. I will research more into Chen style Taiji.
Do you also practice zhan zhuang?
Since its one of the best ways to feel and bulild the "sinking power" to deliver more power from the "dantian".
@@mikitadou In the old days of Taijiquan, every stance in Taolu is our Zhan Zhuang.
However, modern commercialized Chen Style might advertize one standard Zhan Zhuang that is often found in seminars with large groups of people. That type of Zhang Zhuang is more of a recent creation - very likely invented to make it easier to teach a very large crowd of people.
So traditionally, we don’t have one standard Zhan Zhuang that we practice. Every time we finish shifting in Taolu, we can hold it there and let our leg burn in agonizing pain. Once we cannot take it anymore, we can shift to next leg to burn that one instead.
In Chen Yu’s lineage in particular, our “Zhan Zhuang” is so much more physically demanding than other lineages and styles that an untrained person won’t last longer than a few seconds. A trained practitioner won’t last longer than half a minute if done correctly; half a minute would be considered an accomplishment. My point is that our Zhan Zhuang is so miserable and painful that it’s not like one of those Shaolin monks or Hung Gar practitioners who can stay in a horse stance for 1 hour long. Just 30 seconds of correct practice in Chen Yu’s lineage will burn the hell out of the weighted leg.
I should also note that this is uniquely the case in this lineage. This is not the case for most Chen Style or Taijiquan as a whole. The reason for this is because Chen Yu’s foundation is very different than other lineages. The line has rules, details, nuances, alignments, and mechanics that are not found in other lines. I know of two Chen Taijiquan instructors from different lineages (with 10+ years of experience) who came to my teacher to try it out. They couldn’t last even the first few postures of Taolu. One of them even quit his lineage to start from scratch and learn from my teacher - meaning he abandoned decades’ worth of commitment just to start from scratch.
So long story short, yes! We practice Zhan Zhuang and “sinking” - much to our great misery.
This is why Taijiquan traditionally practices slowly because it HURTS! We would love to go fast to alleviate ourselves of our misery, but that would be easy! Going slow = Harder = Bitter = building connection and refining our movements. It also builds what we call 'Gong Li' which means structural strength that’s trained into existence.
Hi, I'm a teacher from chinese Martial art also systema, l agree with you, internal training have the same principles...in fact l found systema After 30 years of chinese practice, at this time l have learn that exist only One Martial art, with differents style...thanks
so gald to hear that, i am from china and practising systema for abour 12 years, and recently i found the XINGYI quan style more link with systema
ROSS Systema? Never heard of it before but it looks interesting. I always was interested in internal material arts too, and that dancing looks amazing! What exercises do you perform for the whip -like power generation?
I think ROSS Systema has a lot to offer, its rather a shame that it left unnoticed while many crappy schools are taking all the spotlight. I will explore more about Hopak dancing and its combat variation in the future!
For whip-like power generation, its best to start with standing rooting position, sinking your center of mass, and to let go off your arms. There are many exercises, I would make an instructional video sometime later.
One way is to get an actual whip and practice with it. Then perform the action without the whip to understand what's happening. Then try whipping a target (politely), then punching without the whip.
It's not the end technique, but it's a nice learning method to help detach unnecessary tension through the body that would prevent the little "snap" at the end of the whip, and would mess up an effective punch in that style.
@@SyeedAli That's actually an interesting way, I never thought of it. Should definitely give it ago,
did you test it that way yourself?
I love Systema. I took Greco Roman Wrestling, Tangsoodo Sambo & Systema. Bryant Perrella he's the man in Boxing 🥊🥊 Professional & I like Dan the Wolfman Theodore MMA fighter he does Systema Combatives. God bless 🙏🥋🥊🥊👍
Thanks for the great video! I noticed lots of yiquan training in some of these clips. Also, I am hoping that you'll eventually cover Izvor Systema.
I am very glad that you enjoyed it! Yes more Systema related videos are coming! As there are many interesting styles and sub-divisions in Systema it is a very wide topic!
I want to cover DK Yoo's Systema first, and then I will go into Izvor :)
@@mikitadou thanks a bunch! I very much enjoy your content Torvarisch
So inspiring go ahead with your efforts 👏you are great mykytagnosis
Thanks for the compliment!
Do you practice any martial arts?
No it's so sad i like Russia martial arts but unfortunately not in my country 😢
@@محمدالكناني-ق6ب?Where are you from
I'm from Iraq and I wish to visit Russia 🇷🇺I like Russian people thay are kind and friendly and brave
@@محمدالكناني-ق6ب Definetly! you should give it a go someday! and regarding martial arts, are you are interested in Sambo? or Systema?
ダンスとミックス？！？この組み合わせは知らなかった！！面白かったです。この組み合わせは珍しいですよね？！？ウクライナのダンスですか？？私はウクライナのダンスについても興味があるので、詳しいビデオリクエストします♪いつも面白いビデオ作ってくれてありがとうございます！
褒めてくれてをありがとうございます！うん、システマとホパークは面白いセットだね！
後でホパークについてビデオを撮るつもりですよ！
This is giving me a good time.
Glad to hear that! Are you a fan of Systema?
you said the magic words: biomechanics and torque. focus and practice of these is what separates legit from bullshido. even if its hard to hold onto when youre seeing red like you said
You know a lot! Yeah, by cleverly using the biomechanics and torque, you can create situations which would look staged or unrealistic to certain people, but the experienced individuals or the ones with sharp eyes can see the inner workings of these techniques.
Back in the 90's, ROSS was my first exposure to Systema as it was the only Systema that I could find that had an instructor who spoke English, somewhat. I still do the morning exercises as they are life changing.
Great video! Can you do a video on Boyovyi Hopak and Volodymyr Pylat?
Thanks mate! Yes! I will do a video about Pylat and his recreation of the traditional Zaporizhian Cossack Martial arts very soon :)
I have been interested in fajin lately, I want to learn real thing but not many martial arts teach it in a legit way. I will check this systema if I can!
What exercises do you recommend??
What martial arts do you practice? or practiced? That would help me understand your background, since maybe you already know the concepts :)
The best exercises to begin with is rooting while sinking your center of gravity to get attuned to the gravitation. The next step is the full body relaxation in that position, which goes along with proper breathing and concentration techniques. I will make a detailed instructional video sometime later!
I always thought Systema lends itself well to Chinese internal martial arts. Particularly related to what's done in Tai Chi Pushing Hands (Tui Shou). So it was great to see someone else draw the conclusion. That and seeing a good comparison of the two shown in the video.
interesting how close that stuff is to chinese internal martial arts. Like the excercise at 4:10 looks like Yiquan practice (its kind of a relative of xing yi quan).
In my opinion РОСС Система is the best style of systema and the most realistic.
From what I have discovered from it so far, I must agree. I am actually very surprised that Aleksander Retuinskih does not mind that, and is not thinking about commercially expanding ROSS Systema abroad, Probably it keeps it pure. Better to have a few good quality schools rather than over 200 Systema Ryabko schools with most of them teaching an incomplete or flat-out wrong knowledge.
@@mikitadou I agree, Systema ryabko is the Russian version of karate with colored gi
@@zeosbourne8707 He is the George Dillman of the Slavic World.
i think it has similarity with chinese martial arts like tai chi but also with aikido or tae kwon do and of course judo boxing . the characteristics of systema like martial arts is the relaxing part in striking or throwing which is interesting based in biomechanics. it should practised in live fights like ufc to become more alive
It seems you have quite a bit of experience, since your observation is on point!
That's right! the parodoxical reality is that the more relaxed you are, the more "heavy" and penetrative your strikes get! Most people, even professionals, are too tense during striking, and by that they are robbing themselves of a lot of power and stamina. Its very hard to reach that level of relaxation in an actual fight though, but we should try!
@@mikitadou hehe yes! The systema pov is an advanced pov in combat sports even that is already known that relaxation is an advantage systema made it Popular. It is difficult to achieve it in reality but yea why not?!
Been lucky enough to train with Retuinskih, Grudev and Kolganov. Got a lot from it. Keep an open mind..
You are lucky :D
I would like to try training with Retunskih and Grudev someday, hopefully after the pandemic.
Interesting! Do you have a video on Skobar? Curious if any of that made its way into Systema. I have heard it claimed that Systema is largely a blend of Sambo and Taijiquan. No idea if that’s true or not.
I am glad that you are interested in real systema, I didn't do a video on skobar yet, but I am planning on it.
Yes there is a lot of unconfirmed information ever since 1970s that Kadochnikov got at least 50% of ideas and techniques from deep scientific studies of internal Chinese martial arts.
Apparently Kadochnikov and Retuinskih initially worked together and then went in their own directions..
Yes! And it really shows! I would say that ROSS has conserved the original Systema legacy better than the actual modern Systema Kadochnikova itself.
I was in Shaolin Kempo Karate for 6 months to a year and might have gotten my yellow belt if I hadn't been I Jared in a punching drill. I was training to be a powerlifter and couldn't bench press too well or squat well either. My back was fouled up. I would try mixing some WC and Systema and other arts to fit your personal needs. I can't defend nor can I criticize this style of Systema. I don't really know enough about.
Systema is a lifestyle if you practice long enough. Similar to most martial arts, you start off focusing on the physical aspects and evolve into the spiritual ones. Systema is 100% effective in self-defense for any age, sex, or level of fitness.
Yes, but not all Systema styles are efficient. There are plenty of fake Systema styles out there. its like almost every few years a new "Systema" pops up. From my experience. I would stick to Systema ROSS and the original Systema Kadochnikova.
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Thanks :)
Where is the school in Ukraine?
There are no ROSS schools in Ukraine to my knowledge. I practiced Systema Kadochnikova In Kiev though. Its very related, but some say that ROSS conserved the original Systema legacy more so than modern Systema Kadochnikova itself.
20年ほど前にROSSやkadchinikovなどのシステマ動画がみた日本人武術家たちはこう言いました。
まるで太極拳のような武術だなと
その通り！元々のカドチニコフのシステマって、中国の内家拳と関係があるって話だよね。でも、ROSSのシステマは、それをさらに太極拳とかの武術に近づけたんだよね
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これは私の昔の空手の先生がTH-camrに関節技や投げ技をかけている動画です。
th-cam.com/video/dZilNAhP07Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bHSSBendsjDH0mK4
@ よく中国武術っぽい空手だなと言われたものです。
Очередной булшит, сложно, может и работает. Но, крав мага проще и эффективнее. 😅