Have you heard of traditional Russian fist fighting traditions? Do you think they are actually connected to the modern Systema? Let me know in the comments below!
@@rolandsteffen5136 Lyubki...well, Lyubki as we know it today is actually an off-shot of Systema. It was around the early 1990 when Lyubki schools started appearing in Mass. They were teaching mostly a poorly taught and second-rate Systema with the emphasis on the folklore and claims of the Ancient Slavic origins. I have made several videos about their "grand elders" and their followers.
Another great video Mykytagnosis. I asked my systema coach about Mikhail Ryabko and he said he’s a master hypnotist and, when combined with feints, and his student’s fear of getting punched by him, he can use no touch techniques. I’v never experienced it, but I know many very talented and dangerous Martial Artists and Systema Masters hold him in the highest respect, and for that reason alone I don’t think he can be discounted.
Thank you very much Issac. Your input about hypnosis is very interesting, I never thought about it. Yeah, Ryabko has created an image of "patriarch" of Systema around the world, even among other Styles of Systema to which he has no direct relation to. I would like to experience one of his seminars in person someday, to make a completely unbias opinion.
MYKYTAGNOSIS You are a very distinguished teacher and have a distinguished view of martial arts. Thank you for all this distinguished and valuable information. You are considered one of the few who possess such experiences and skills.
Fascinating as always, I have never even considered eye or hearing training, that was mind-opening. Kulagina?? really? I haven't heard that name in ages! Can't wait to see what you will dig up! Glad to see you are back.
Had some hardware issues, so this one took a while to make. Yes! training your eyes and hearing 2-3 times a week can really change and improve your perception. I really recommend it. The video about Kulagina will be a bit difficult, as I will have to research and dig quite deep. Coming soon :)
Thank you for your nuanced videos. It's not as easy as saying ALL Systema is BS.. As well as saying ALL Systema is completely valid. It's extremely intricate & complex. There are authentic, legit GEMS of wisdom and technique to be gained, as well as rabbit holes that lead nowhere but delusion. So indeed, it is tricky for a student to make an accurate choice as to where to dedicate their time.
Thank you for the kind words bro. I agree, its very easy to go binary, and just say that something is complete crap, or something is godly. Most of people seem to love this binary approach though, for example I have seen so many calisthenics people claiming that bodybuilding is crap, and vice versa. Why not just do both? Regarding Systema, in my opinion its biggest problem is the lack of quality control regarding the coaches and teaching methods.
I've been trying to think of a name for this phenomena. There are some masters out there who legitimately have high level skill and understanding, but they go a little out there in their belief in no touch. It's tricky because they do have real skill, you can learn a lot from them, but then the no touch stuff gets a little weird. It's really just a form of hypnosis, and that's the thing, learning to play people's trance states and creating mental confusion is all a real skill that can be practiced. It would just be wiser to say upfront that it's playing with hypnosis like a skilled magician, but it's not something esoteric like Ki or Slavic energy work. I like to call this kind of stuff "martial arts magic tricks" because that communicates that it looks almost magical, but it's not really. Then people understand that there is skill involved, but this is not what you'd use for fighting. The main danger, I think, is when a martial artist starts thinking that their training can make them almost invincible or other-worldly. Instead it is wiser to always see ourselves for what we are: just human beings. No matter how much skill we have we are still very vulnerable to the hardships of life. Martial arts is very beneficial to our lives, but we all can only be human -- and that's a good thing.
th-cam.com/video/lJPBZtmaANI/w-d-xo.html - Derrek Brown (a magician) demonstrate this well. The difference is he openly shares in interviews how he exudes a different persona for his tricks. It's a real skill he's practiced, but it's not really magic.
The issue I have is... don't these people believe in Jesus? Ryabko is an Orthodox Christian right? They suggest involvement in hesychasm don't they? Ok, so. They just have these beliefs as do people all around the world. Fighting traditions have always had some element of mysticism in them. Ryabko has never suggested his no touch techniques are self defense, but explorations of the psyche. He is pretty consistent. What I think is people have an emotional response and their own beliefs are offended and that is why the harp on the no touch stuff in Ryabko's case where it's clear there is a ton of other stuff. I feel like a balanced response would just be like alright. I dont like this part, but let's talk about all the rest...
Beautiful comment Sir, Indeed the most important thing in martial arts, or in anything in life, is to remember your humanity and keep the EGO restrained. It sounds easy yet its amazingly difficult, especially when everything is going well and you are not pressure tested.
You are right Paul, I believe that such techniques could be possible, but in that case they should work on almost anyone. Somehow every time when they try to showcase them on volunteers, they don't work. Both, in case of Dillman and Ryabko. I believe Kadochnikov said that its possible, but very hard and very taxing on your own psyche, so he showed it only 1 time, but Ryabko does it only with his most trusted students and at any time he wants, without even feeling tired.
Unfortunately I am not aware of the existence of the English versions of Skogorev's books. I will check and let you know. If you are interested in Systema in general you can also take a look into Vladimir Vasiliev's and Kevin Secour's books. They are pretty good:)
I only know some rumor on the older roots. John explained things well below. I did additionally hear that there was something of a rediscovery of both Orthodox Christian and earlier slavik stuff, but I have no details. I heard a little from a trusted source and I knew of a man who went personally to investigate / go on a spiritual journey of sorts, but unfortunately he never followed up with any findings. It is therefore quite reasonable for you to take the position you have on the historicity of it all.
Thanks for sharing Syeed. This is a very interesting topic, but unfortunately nowadays with marketing its getting increasingly hard to tell if something has real roots, or is just made prettier in order to sell. I am still researching about the old Slavic history and culture to this day.
@6:00 that's not correct, no touch is complimentary. As for psychology, if that's not part of your core training in some way, then your practice is incomplete
Russia and other Slavic nations do have a rich martial arts tradition, historically speaking, But all the crap regarding godly ancient Slavic martial arts is a complete nonsense that was ironically born from the mysticism of Asian martial arts.
Serious? Didn't he say that Stalin's bodyguard taught him? Either way it makes no sense, since it would mean that his Systema is older than the original one.
@@joewillson3454 yes, said bodyguard being in his family. If you take Ryabko being in the MVD and his bio that he joined military cadets as a young teen and saw action in Afghanistan in the soviet era at face value, (and there is a video of the Minister of Defence saying he is MVD to Discovery Channel) then it is entirely conceivable he grew up on the soviet party line fed to him by his instructors, schools and environment - sambo is ancient russian, systema is ancient russian , elephants are ancient russian. now, as to the truth of the first two (I mean there were Mammoths in ancient Russia) there are for sure native wrestling styles in eastern europe and accounts of wall fighting and prize fighting traditions exist from outside russia contemporaneously, so to my mind, likely a mixed bag.
@@johnelliott9823 you bring out some good points, war happened all around the world across all civilizations, so having martial arts system (even primitive) ones was still an essential thing, but I didn't know about the Soviet policy of Russifying everything. Did they really say that Sambo was an ancient Russian Marital art? Ryabko seen some military action during his life for sure, but if he was educated in military circles, then why does only he possesses knowledge of such an Art?
@@joewillson3454 I really wish the old russian websites were up, but this is what I read and was generally what you used to hear on MMA sites back in the 90s - Oschpekov went to japan, became the first euro black belt in judo, and later invented Sambo along with Spiridonov. Oschpekov refused to say that SAMBO had no judo influence, so he was killed (I read on the old sites by NKVD men trained by Spiridonov, but who knows really). Kharlampiev became the face of SAMBO, and he obeyed the party line. This is what I read. When I flew back from Moscow in 2000 I met a russian on the plane who swore up and down Kharlampiev was the father of all martial arts. Anecdotal evidence, yes, but evidence. Where did he get that idea? A movie, he said. "then why does only he possesses knowledge of such an Art" Does only he though? They've released archival training footage of him as a youth, losing to others his age. Some of them must be alive. Discovery Channel doco Go Warrior points to some guys they say were cossacks, who they said also knew systema Mind you, Ryabko does have a sort of personal flavour all his own, especially with the invisible strikes, but I couldn't tell you if it's his personal thing he added or was taught himself.
There are so many Systema styles out there these days, it is really easy to get confused in all this political mess. Yet Ryabko's Systema is an interesting phenomena. There are some old videos of him where is is practicing something akin to Karate or Kungfu, but then in early 1990s he starts to make appearances at Kadochnikov's seminars, and with time completely recreates his style and training approach. It's really hard to say if its his own interpretation of Original Systema, or something unique to him entirely, but the history and legends that he made around his style have no historical proof.
Its Vodka mate, I have heard people saying that Irish people also have a funny accent, AND they are also known to drink a lot,,,I wonder if it is connected :P
Have you heard of traditional Russian fist fighting traditions? Do you think they are actually connected to the modern Systema?
Let me know in the comments below!
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What about Lubki? I have visited some Seminars. Many of the training skills remind me to Systema. My Trainers was from Minsk and Moscow.
@@rolandsteffen5136 Lyubki...well, Lyubki as we know it today is actually an off-shot of Systema. It was around the early 1990 when Lyubki schools started appearing in Mass. They were teaching mostly a poorly taught and second-rate Systema with the emphasis on the folklore and claims of the Ancient Slavic origins. I have made several videos about their "grand elders" and their followers.
If you have chance look into Skobar from st Petersburg. Cheers...
Another great video Mykytagnosis. I asked my systema coach about Mikhail Ryabko and he said he’s a master hypnotist and, when combined with feints, and his student’s fear of getting punched by him, he can use no touch techniques. I’v never experienced it, but I know many very talented and dangerous Martial Artists and Systema Masters hold him in the highest respect, and for that reason alone I don’t think he can be discounted.
Thank you very much Issac. Your input about hypnosis is very interesting, I never thought about it. Yeah, Ryabko has created an image of "patriarch" of Systema around the world, even among other Styles of Systema to which he has no direct relation to. I would like to experience one of his seminars in person someday, to make a completely unbias opinion.
MYKYTAGNOSIS You are a very distinguished teacher and have a distinguished view of martial arts. Thank you for all this distinguished and valuable information. You are considered one of the few who possess such experiences and skills.
Thanks a lot man! I am not a teacher though, I just share my passion for Systema and other Internal Martial arts.
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Fascinating as always, I have never even considered eye or hearing training, that was mind-opening.
Kulagina?? really? I haven't heard that name in ages! Can't wait to see what you will dig up! Glad to see you are back.
Had some hardware issues, so this one took a while to make.
Yes! training your eyes and hearing 2-3 times a week can really change and improve your perception. I really recommend it. The video about Kulagina will be a bit difficult, as I will have to research and dig quite deep. Coming soon :)
@@mikitadou Kulagina seemed to have supernatural powers? or was it a hoax?
to be honest no one really knows@@joewillson3454
Thank you for your nuanced videos. It's not as easy as saying ALL Systema is BS.. As well as saying ALL Systema is completely valid. It's extremely intricate & complex. There are authentic, legit GEMS of wisdom and technique to be gained, as well as rabbit holes that lead nowhere but delusion. So indeed, it is tricky for a student to make an accurate choice as to where to dedicate their time.
Thank you for the kind words bro. I agree, its very easy to go binary, and just say that something is complete crap, or something is godly. Most of people seem to love this binary approach though, for example I have seen so many calisthenics people claiming that bodybuilding is crap, and vice versa. Why not just do both?
Regarding Systema, in my opinion its biggest problem is the lack of quality control regarding the coaches and teaching methods.
Very interesting points, thanks for this, Subbed.
I've been trying to think of a name for this phenomena. There are some masters out there who legitimately have high level skill and understanding, but they go a little out there in their belief in no touch. It's tricky because they do have real skill, you can learn a lot from them, but then the no touch stuff gets a little weird. It's really just a form of hypnosis, and that's the thing, learning to play people's trance states and creating mental confusion is all a real skill that can be practiced.
It would just be wiser to say upfront that it's playing with hypnosis like a skilled magician, but it's not something esoteric like Ki or Slavic energy work. I like to call this kind of stuff "martial arts magic tricks" because that communicates that it looks almost magical, but it's not really. Then people understand that there is skill involved, but this is not what you'd use for fighting.
The main danger, I think, is when a martial artist starts thinking that their training can make them almost invincible or other-worldly. Instead it is wiser to always see ourselves for what we are: just human beings. No matter how much skill we have we are still very vulnerable to the hardships of life. Martial arts is very beneficial to our lives, but we all can only be human -- and that's a good thing.
th-cam.com/video/lJPBZtmaANI/w-d-xo.html - Derrek Brown (a magician) demonstrate this well. The difference is he openly shares in interviews how he exudes a different persona for his tricks. It's a real skill he's practiced, but it's not really magic.
The issue I have is... don't these people believe in Jesus? Ryabko is an Orthodox Christian right? They suggest involvement in hesychasm don't they? Ok, so. They just have these beliefs as do people all around the world. Fighting traditions have always had some element of mysticism in them.
Ryabko has never suggested his no touch techniques are self defense, but explorations of the psyche. He is pretty consistent. What I think is people have an emotional response and their own beliefs are offended and that is why the harp on the no touch stuff in Ryabko's case where it's clear there is a ton of other stuff. I feel like a balanced response would just be like alright. I dont like this part, but let's talk about all the rest...
Beautiful comment Sir, Indeed the most important thing in martial arts, or in anything in life, is to remember your humanity and keep the EGO restrained. It sounds easy yet its amazingly difficult, especially when everything is going well and you are not pressure tested.
You are right Paul, I believe that such techniques could be possible, but in that case they should work on almost anyone. Somehow every time when they try to showcase them on volunteers, they don't work. Both, in case of Dillman and Ryabko.
I believe Kadochnikov said that its possible, but very hard and very taxing on your own psyche, so he showed it only 1 time, but Ryabko does it only with his most trusted students and at any time he wants, without even feeling tired.
Thanks for sharing! Just wondering if his book is available in English? Interested to take a look!
Unfortunately I am not aware of the existence of the English versions of Skogorev's books. I will check and let you know.
If you are interested in Systema in general you can also take a look into Vladimir Vasiliev's and Kevin Secour's books. They are pretty good:)
@@mikitadou yup, taken a look at those! was curious at those diagrams in the book, so I thought it'll make for a good reference!
I only know some rumor on the older roots. John explained things well below. I did additionally hear that there was something of a rediscovery of both Orthodox Christian and earlier slavik stuff, but I have no details.
I heard a little from a trusted source and I knew of a man who went personally to investigate / go on a spiritual journey of sorts, but unfortunately he never followed up with any findings.
It is therefore quite reasonable for you to take the position you have on the historicity of it all.
Thanks for sharing Syeed. This is a very interesting topic, but unfortunately nowadays with marketing its getting increasingly hard to tell if something has real roots, or is just made prettier in order to sell.
I am still researching about the old Slavic history and culture to this day.
@4:50, Russia fought many wars with hand combat... they knew how to fight
This was a very good one! I would like to know more about training our senses rather than concentrating only on muscles and techniques.
Thanks! Yes training our senses is very important, not only for fighting, but it can also improve the quality of life quite a bit!
@@mikitadou I am looking into eye training thanks to you.
Y porqué no muestran el Sistema ruso de combate Shou Tao Kung Fú. Creado por Alexander Medvédev.
@6:00 that's not correct, no touch is complimentary. As for psychology, if that's not part of your core training in some way, then your practice is incomplete
I'm coming to understand that Russia has richer Martial arts traditions than even China and Japan!
Russia and other Slavic nations do have a rich martial arts tradition, historically speaking, But all the crap regarding godly ancient Slavic martial arts is a complete nonsense that was ironically born from the mysticism of Asian martial arts.
he just says his uncle told him
Serious? Didn't he say that Stalin's bodyguard taught him? Either way it makes no sense, since it would mean that his Systema is older than the original one.
@@joewillson3454 yes, said bodyguard being in his family. If you take Ryabko being in the MVD and his bio that he joined military cadets as a young teen and saw action in Afghanistan in the soviet era at face value, (and there is a video of the Minister of Defence saying he is MVD to Discovery Channel) then it is entirely conceivable he grew up on the soviet party line fed to him by his instructors, schools and environment - sambo is ancient russian, systema is ancient russian , elephants are ancient russian.
now, as to the truth of the first two (I mean there were Mammoths in ancient Russia) there are for sure native wrestling styles in eastern europe and accounts of wall fighting and prize fighting traditions exist from outside russia contemporaneously, so to my mind, likely a mixed bag.
@@johnelliott9823 you bring out some good points, war happened all around the world across all civilizations, so having martial arts system (even primitive) ones was still an essential thing, but I didn't know about the Soviet policy of Russifying everything. Did they really say that Sambo was an ancient Russian Marital art?
Ryabko seen some military action during his life for sure, but if he was educated in military circles, then why does only he possesses knowledge of such an Art?
@@joewillson3454 I really wish the old russian websites were up, but this is what I read and was generally what you used to hear on MMA sites back in the 90s - Oschpekov went to japan, became the first euro black belt in judo, and later invented Sambo along with Spiridonov.
Oschpekov refused to say that SAMBO had no judo influence, so he was killed (I read on the old sites by NKVD men trained by Spiridonov, but who knows really). Kharlampiev became the face of SAMBO, and he obeyed the party line. This is what I read. When I flew back from Moscow in 2000 I met a russian on the plane who swore up and down Kharlampiev was the father of all martial arts. Anecdotal evidence, yes, but evidence. Where did he get that idea? A movie, he said.
"then why does only he possesses knowledge of such an Art"
Does only he though? They've released archival training footage of him as a youth, losing to others his age. Some of them must be alive. Discovery Channel doco Go Warrior points to some guys they say were cossacks, who they said also knew systema
Mind you, Ryabko does have a sort of personal flavour all his own, especially with the invisible strikes, but I couldn't tell you if it's his personal thing he added or was taught himself.
There are so many Systema styles out there these days, it is really easy to get confused in all this political mess. Yet Ryabko's Systema is an interesting phenomena. There are some old videos of him where is is practicing something akin to Karate or Kungfu, but then in early 1990s he starts to make appearances at Kadochnikov's seminars, and with time completely recreates his style and training approach. It's really hard to say if its his own interpretation of Original Systema, or something unique to him entirely, but the history and legends that he made around his style have no historical proof.
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Why All Russians has such a funny accent.
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Its Vodka mate, I have heard people saying that Irish people also have a funny accent, AND they are also known to drink a lot,,,I wonder if it is connected :P
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