Amazing interview.. Just like to add: Natalie Portman (while at Harvard) was a researcher or contributor to Dershowtiz's book Case for Israel. Dershowitz even thanked her along with other researchers in that book. But look at where Portman and Dershowitz now... One still defends libertarian values and fights for what he believes, but the other has lost her soul in the Hollyweird world. Sad.
Thats completely true. But it is also the downside of Dershowitz take on what it is to trully teach free thinking abilities to his students: as opposed to liberal neo marxist sjw professors, he doesnt want you to become a copy of his thinking...not his fault Natalie Portman is an idiot with dancing skills
As a radical libertarian I can say that Alan Dershowitz is supremely important to the protection of liberty and jurisprudence in the United States. We could do with lots more of him!
This is how ppl on the left used to be before they went insane I disagree on policy with him but I respect him bc he has principals he obviously loves the country along with the rule of law
This guy's mind is as sharp as a razor blade. My grandpa spent his last 10 years trying to open a cookie jar. Im not saying Dershowitz is better than you grandpa, I love you wherever you are. Im just saying, damn he's smart you know
@@jeremysmith9694 No, i wasnt. And I hope he lives more than that. We need fairminded people like him to counterbalance this madness coming from both sides of our political leadership
Brilliant dialogue, Ben. You could have been on for another 2 hours. Dershowitz is probably the most honest public person I've ever seen. His admission that Obama brazenly betrayed his vow to protect Israel is eye-opening.
Well done Mr. Shapiro. Here is a man I knew little about, mainly just headline info. Now I want to dig deeper on him. Thank you for doing these wonderful and highly interesting interviews!
@@sarahgent1809 Oh, he "thoroughly debunked" the allegations that he was involved with Epstein for years, took multiple trips to his island and was involved in sexual relations with minors? Well if he, as a completely objective and neutral party, "debunked" the statements of the multiple witnesses and victims outlined in the recently released Maxwell reports, then I guess there's nothing to see here.
@@JAlexandrG you aren't very objective if you think allegations mean shit lol He was on the island only once when it was first bought. May mean nothing. His accuser is a liar and accused al gore too hahahahaa so I honestly dont care what she says. There's no proof but the statement of a liar. He was Epstein defenceman attorney and he did a pretty damn good job.
@@sarahgent1809 Dershowitz' defense of Trump was commendable, even if you ignore that it was in no way an act based on principle but rather one based on very specific geopolitical reciprocity. I voted for Trump. I'll vote for him again. Dershowitz defended OJ Simpson for the same reason he defended Trump: he wanted something.
While I would love to wholly attribute to malice the media's false characterization of Alan Dershowitz's argument before the senate; I honestly think stupidity played a significant role. To understand his arguments required more intelligence than they possess.
I lost all respect for Dershowitz when he was trying to change public opinion on Twitter about lowering the age of consent while representing Epstein. It was Sickening.
I for one, really enjoyed this interview. I greatly admire Mr. Dershowitz and his intellect. I disagree with him on his social issues but he is honest and a man of integrity. It's nice hearing someone who is so eloquent.
Despite disagreeing with Alan Dershowitz on most social issues, I have so much respect for him and they way he seeks to live a principled life regardless of the consequences.
Amen to Peter Hitchens. He's one of the sharpest minds out there right now. I'd be surprised though if Ben knows of him. I think Peter is an unknown quantity to many Americans.
I have tremendous respect for Mr. Dershowitz speaking out and defending President Trump. It takes a lot of courage to step up because it is the right thing to do.
Great question by Ben Shapiro to Dershowitz regarding the moral dilemma of defending a known guilty person, especially one of a heinous crime. However Dershowitz comparison to a priest taking a confession of a killer or a doctor treating a killer does not hold up. In both cases you have no option to provide your service otherwise you are negligent and can even be jailed in the case of doctor. However an attorney has full freedom to choose or reject their clients. Also whereas a priest or doctor may spend a few hours on one day with the person they serve, an attorney's service going to trial will take weeks, months and maybe even years. Also Dershowitz has no control if a freed killer will go on and perform another evil act. The bottom line is that Dershowitz defends his clients out of ego and money. The intrinsic/ethical considerations that everyone deserves fair legal representation is simply a good excuse to hopefully shield you from public scorn.
If you can not conclude on your own with a high degree of certainty that he did it but require the opinion of others, than you are never gonna be in the market for a mattress or VPN or gold
I first heard and read about Professor Dershowitz when I was in high school 50 years ago. He has had a distinguished law career and still makes news and writes books.
GOOD FREAKING GOD - Every 10 min TH-cam puts in an ad - and I wait the 5 seconds, listen to Ben and Allen, and ... It's BEN's advertisement 1 min later. I get that there are ads, but the tandem nature of it was honking annoying.
As a life long Libertarian, I have always regarded myself as a _radical for moderation,_ as in the obviously moderate position, to me, is that you, and you alone, get to make your own decisions concerning your mind, body, and property,... with the soul proviso that you must make restitution for the harm you do to others. That still seems moderate to me. *_Liberty is always dangerous, but it is the safest thing we have._* ~ Harry Emerson Fosdick *_The love of liberty is the love of others; the love of power is the love of ourselves._* ~ William Hazlitt *_Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you are willing to give it to others._* ~ William Allen White *_The most basic question is not what is best, but who shall decide what is best._* ~ Thomas Sowell *_It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance._* ~ Thomas Sowell *_As long as human beings are imperfect, there will always be arguments for extending the power of government to deal with these imperfections. The only logical stopping place is totalitarianism -- unless we realize that tolerating imperfections is the price of freedom._* ~ Thomas Sowell *_I wish men to be free, as much from mobs as kings, from you as me._* ~ Lord Byron, 1788-1824 *_Liberty is always unfinished business._* ~ American Civil Liberties Union *_The inescapable price of liberty is an ability to preserve it from destruction._* ~ Douglas MacArthur *_If you want government to intervene domestically, you're a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you're a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you're a moderate. If you don't want government to intervene anywhere, you're an extremist._* ~ Joseph Sobran *_People who create things nowadays can expect to be prosecuted by highly moralistic people who are incapable of creating anything. There is no way to measure the chilling effect on innovation that results from the threats of taxation, regulation and prosecution against anything that succeeds. We'll never know how many ideas our government has aborted in the name protecting us._* ~ Joseph Sobran *_Politicians never accuse you of 'greed' for wanting other people's money - only for wanting to keep your own money._* ~ Joseph Sobran *_The prospect of a government that treats all its citizens as criminal suspects is more terrifying than any terrorist. And even more frightening is a citizenry that can accept the surrender of its freedoms as the price of 'freedom'._* ~ Joseph Sobran *_The dearest ambition of a slave is not liberty, but to have a slave of his own._* ~ Sir Richard Burton
Once again Ben, you show excellence in your work and use of God-given gifts of intellect to help us understand complex circumstances in our society through your Sunday interview programs. Thank you!
This was a very good conversation. You can think what you want about the guy one way or another, it doesn’t change that this particular conversation was very good.
Insightful and outstanding interview. These long form, thorough discussions, dare I say Joe Roganesque , are essential and phenomenal. Thank you both to Mr. Dershowitz and Mr. Shapiro. (Patrick in Chicago)
If you want impeachment to be bi-partisan then put those powers into law in the following process: 1. Congress must vote 75% or 80% for a national vote 2. A national vote must occur by which the people must vote 50%+1 and over 50% of the electorate must participate. 3. Then and only then should it go to the senate who should also vote 75%. If a president is still impeached then definitely you have national consensus.
Alan owes American Jews an APOLOGY for recommending Jews vote for Obama for president for his second term. By then he knew better. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
@@mlevy2429 "why should he apologize" Something to do with the Obama Administration fueling the Tehran Jihad and the Palestinian Jihad with billions of dollars, but that's just a best guess. I think Trump's approval rating in Israel is around 80%.
So according to ancient sages in the Torah, Eve, and Adam, (humanity) ate from the tree of knowing (deciding) good and bad, metaphorical for deciding for yourself, without wisdom, what is good or bad. This is perfectly displayed by identity politics those who make false accusations.
Dave Rubin and Larry King: Meh. This is boring, and King seems kinda disrespectful and one-sided. Ben Shapiro and Alan Dershowitz: Holy cow! This is awesome! Dershowitz is amazing! More please! But seriously, Ben, I really think it'd be amazing if you did an appearance on Dave Rubin's show to debate Larry King.
Great interview Ben, I would ask that you stop calling the democrat party the democratic party, if they are to be called anything, it should be called the fascist party.
Also a lawyer, like the two of you. I too have supported the use of enhanced interrogation when attempting to prevent terrorism and mass murder but the information received prior to and during the torture and information generated directly from the torture cannot be used against the person tortured.
Just wanna say, the man is 81 and he's still as sharp as ever. Good on him.
Vega Nona proof? Or are you just talking lmao
Jake Krent He’s a devious old git
@Brian Mino you've never done anything involving sodomy?
@Brian Mino sure have. When you say supports sodomy, are you then implying that sodomy should be illegal?
@@victoriagodley5277 TDS much?
Please, please, please take CNN to court. Smash them like hulk.
Amazing interview.. Just like to add: Natalie Portman (while at Harvard) was a researcher or contributor to Dershowtiz's book Case for Israel. Dershowitz even thanked her along with other researchers in that book. But look at where Portman and Dershowitz now... One still defends libertarian values and fights for what he believes, but the other has lost her soul in the Hollyweird world. Sad.
Yea but at least portman got marry darth vader lol
Thats completely true. But it is also the downside of Dershowitz take on what it is to trully teach free thinking abilities to his students: as opposed to liberal neo marxist sjw professors, he doesnt want you to become a copy of his thinking...not his fault Natalie Portman is an idiot with dancing skills
I'd smash Portman. Got a nice dumper on'r
Time to move on from Portman. There are many more beautiful Israeli women.
@@cheddar2648 She's average at best. She sucks, and she's a homewrecker.
As a radical libertarian I can say that Alan Dershowitz is supremely important to the protection of liberty and jurisprudence in the United States.
We could do with lots more of him!
Libertarian squad let's go
@@supermeow540 👍👍👍
@Matthew E - Science 👍👍👍
Look at all these old guy though, we need young leaders who arent insane
This is how ppl on the left used to be before they went insane I disagree on policy with him but I respect him bc he has principals he obviously loves the country along with the rule of law
This guy's mind is as sharp as a razor blade. My grandpa spent his last 10 years trying to open a cookie jar. Im not saying Dershowitz is better than you grandpa, I love you wherever you are. Im just saying, damn he's smart you know
Something to aspire to: a sharp mind as one ages.
Hahaha
Are you saying Dershowitz is in his last 10 years?
@@jeremysmith9694 No, i wasnt. And I hope he lives more than that. We need fairminded people like him to counterbalance this madness coming from both sides of our political leadership
@@jeremysmith9694 That's a twisting of words worthy of CNN.
Glad to see the Sunday show back. Congratulations to you and the Doctor on your new little girl.
Ben’s wife is a doctor?
Say that again? Bens wife is doctor? And Dershowitz is a civil libertarian?
Hear, hear. Health & Happiness.
One of the most honest men, in regards to Constitutionality, on the planet.
I love that Alan is wearing a tie with tiny statues of Liberty on it.
One of the smartest legal minds out there. One of my favorite Sunday Specials. Good job Ben!
Ben's wife's husband is a lawyer?
PaleoVirus doctor
At least [Insert # of likes in OP] understood this joke
@@Margaret709 you didn't get it
Ben's wife's husband's wife is a doctor
Ben's wife's boyfriend is also a doctor.
Trumps impeachment trial was a complete joke and the left is completely sick
C P Democrats: We can impeach Trump without a good case!
Dershowitz: Ima bout to end the Dems whole careers.
I've become a pro at skipping these ads.
Install Brave browser. Never see an ad again.
@@boxingstuff5703 Wouldn't work with these.
@@juancpgo Have you tried it? It stops these ads on mobile and PC. I never see ads on youtube.
Brilliant dialogue, Ben. You could have been on for another 2 hours.
Dershowitz is probably the most honest public person I've ever seen. His admission that Obama brazenly betrayed his vow to protect Israel is eye-opening.
Well done Mr. Shapiro. Here is a man I knew little about, mainly just headline info. Now I want to dig deeper on him. Thank you for doing these wonderful and highly interesting interviews!
The best Shapiro interview ever!
We should all pray that there are more lawyers like him.
Might not be the best thing to pray for given the recent revelations re: Epstein
@@JAlexandrG has he been convicted of a crime or are you just talking about an allegation he has thoroughly debunked lol
@@sarahgent1809 Oh, he "thoroughly debunked" the allegations that he was involved with Epstein for years, took multiple trips to his island and was involved in sexual relations with minors? Well if he, as a completely objective and neutral party, "debunked" the statements of the multiple witnesses and victims outlined in the recently released Maxwell reports, then I guess there's nothing to see here.
@@JAlexandrG you aren't very objective if you think allegations mean shit lol
He was on the island only once when it was first bought. May mean nothing. His accuser is a liar and accused al gore too hahahahaa so I honestly dont care what she says. There's no proof but the statement of a liar. He was Epstein defenceman attorney and he did a pretty damn good job.
@@sarahgent1809 Dershowitz' defense of Trump was commendable, even if you ignore that it was in no way an act based on principle but rather one based on very specific geopolitical reciprocity. I voted for Trump. I'll vote for him again. Dershowitz defended OJ Simpson for the same reason he defended Trump: he wanted something.
While I would love to wholly attribute to malice the media's false characterization of Alan Dershowitz's argument before the senate; I honestly think stupidity played a significant role. To understand his arguments required more intelligence than they possess.
Exactly. Low intelligence.
I lost all respect for Dershowitz when he was trying to change public opinion on Twitter about lowering the age of consent while representing Epstein. It was Sickening.
One of my favorite Sunday specials!
Honestly the most amazing sunday special I have seen
Dershowitz should be the next supreme court justice.
his new book he's working on, in which he makes a case for centrism, seems interesting. wouldn't mind reading that.
I for one, really enjoyed this interview. I greatly admire Mr. Dershowitz and his intellect. I disagree with him on his social issues but he is honest and a man of integrity. It's nice hearing someone who is so eloquent.
I've always respected this mans mind. He brilliant.
Me too. I love Ben
Jeremy Smith
Not Ben at all.
Excellent example of having a conversation between two different minds, from two different political parties...the way it should be! Thank you
Despite disagreeing with Alan Dershowitz on most social issues, I have so much respect for him and they way he seeks to live a principled life regardless of the consequences.
You guys always bring on the most interesting guests! Well done I love this one, the Dave Ramsey one was fantastic as well
Get Peter Hitchens on.
Britians conservative!
Amen to Peter Hitchens. He's one of the sharpest minds out there right now. I'd be surprised though if Ben knows of him. I think Peter is an unknown quantity to many Americans.
Peter Stewart lolll
Danny bhoy Britain, but I feel ya.
I have tremendous respect for Mr. Dershowitz speaking out and defending President Trump. It takes a lot of courage to step up because it is the right thing to do.
I sure wish I think as quickly as Dershowitz when I am 81...I sure don't at 51.
Great question by Ben Shapiro to Dershowitz regarding the moral dilemma of defending a known guilty person, especially one of a heinous crime. However Dershowitz comparison to a priest taking a confession of a killer or a doctor treating a killer does not hold up. In both cases you have no option to provide your service otherwise you are negligent and can even be jailed in the case of doctor. However an attorney has full freedom to choose or reject their clients. Also whereas a priest or doctor may spend a few hours on one day with the person they serve, an attorney's service going to trial will take weeks, months and maybe even years.
Also Dershowitz has no control if a freed killer will go on and perform another evil act. The bottom line is that Dershowitz defends his clients out of ego and money. The intrinsic/ethical considerations that everyone deserves fair legal representation is simply a good excuse to hopefully shield you from public scorn.
One of your best interviews. A truly intellectual conversation. Dershowitz is one of the few independent thinker scholars left.
Love hearing the intro in this set of the Sunday Special for Mr. Dershowitz. Keep crushing, Mr. Shapiro
Please have Victor Davis Hanson on the Sunday special. Thanks.
Yeah! That would be extremely interesting.
One of your best,, if not your best, interviews!!! Thank you!
I'm not buying a new mattress, changing my VPN company, or are diversifying gold unless I know if OJ did it sorry🤣
If you can not conclude on your own with a high degree of certainty that he did it but require the opinion of others, than you are never gonna be in the market for a mattress or VPN or gold
@@bcshu2 checking for a sense of humor here.... 🧠🔦
I first heard and read about Professor Dershowitz when I was in high school 50 years ago. He has had a distinguished law career and still makes news and writes books.
Always like Dershowitz, I'm on the right and not necessarily agree with his politics but always liked his reasoning and POV
The intro music makes me want a cup of coffee
This man is my spirit animal. A true warrior for the good and the true if I've ever seen one.
This was a great conversation.
Thank you Ben for this great interview and thank you professor Dershowitz. Everyone should subscribe to the daily wire.
"I raised my hand in your class and asked you this question". Absolutely loved it.
GOOD FREAKING GOD - Every 10 min TH-cam puts in an ad - and I wait the 5 seconds, listen to Ben and Allen, and ... It's BEN's advertisement 1 min later.
I get that there are ads, but the tandem nature of it was honking annoying.
Install Brave browser. Never see an ad again.
As a life long Libertarian, I have always regarded myself as a _radical for moderation,_ as in the obviously moderate position, to me, is that you, and you alone, get to make your own decisions concerning your mind, body, and property,... with the soul proviso that you must make restitution for the harm you do to others. That still seems moderate to me.
*_Liberty is always dangerous, but it is the safest thing we have._*
~ Harry Emerson Fosdick
*_The love of liberty is the love of others; the love of power is the love of ourselves._*
~ William Hazlitt
*_Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you are willing to give it to others._*
~ William Allen White
*_The most basic question is not what is best, but who shall decide what is best._*
~ Thomas Sowell
*_It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance._*
~ Thomas Sowell
*_As long as human beings are imperfect, there will always be arguments for extending the power of government to deal with these imperfections. The only logical stopping place is totalitarianism -- unless we realize that tolerating imperfections is the price of freedom._*
~ Thomas Sowell
*_I wish men to be free, as much from mobs as kings, from you as me._*
~ Lord Byron, 1788-1824
*_Liberty is always unfinished business._*
~ American Civil Liberties Union
*_The inescapable price of liberty is an ability to preserve it from destruction._*
~ Douglas MacArthur
*_If you want government to intervene domestically, you're a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you're a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you're a moderate. If you don't want government to intervene anywhere, you're an extremist._*
~ Joseph Sobran
*_People who create things nowadays can expect to be prosecuted by highly moralistic people who are incapable of creating anything. There is no way to measure the chilling effect on innovation that results from the threats of taxation, regulation and prosecution against anything that succeeds. We'll never know how many ideas our government has aborted in the name protecting us._*
~ Joseph Sobran
*_Politicians never accuse you of 'greed' for wanting other people's money - only for wanting to keep your own money._*
~ Joseph Sobran
*_The prospect of a government that treats all its citizens as criminal suspects is more terrifying than any terrorist. And even more frightening is a citizenry that can accept the surrender of its freedoms as the price of 'freedom'._*
~ Joseph Sobran
*_The dearest ambition of a slave is not liberty, but to have a slave of his own._*
~ Sir Richard Burton
I am also a passionate libertarian. What a great collection of quotes from the greats!
Great show. I really enjoy it.
Dershowitz is a billion lawyer always fair to his clients. He is a great man.👍🏽
Great interview. Love Ben's questions. Please sue CNN that would be epic
Once again Ben, you show excellence in your work and use of God-given gifts of intellect to help us understand complex circumstances in our society through your Sunday interview programs. Thank you!
Wow, America needs more people like Alan Dershowitz.
Love this interview!
This was a very good conversation. You can think what you want about the guy one way or another, it doesn’t change that this particular conversation was very good.
Imagine both these guys brain power going on in this discussion.
Please Interview Peter Schiff next! He offers a unique perspective to your listeners about economics that I believe will really help the channel.
would love to see this
That was very refreshing!! 😀
Oj did it 😉
*Dershowitz is a HERO*
Insightful and outstanding interview. These long form, thorough discussions, dare I say Joe Roganesque , are essential and phenomenal. Thank you both to Mr. Dershowitz and Mr. Shapiro. (Patrick in Chicago)
He should definitely sue CNN. If they don't start being held accountable they'll never stop doing it.
One of the best interviews I've ever seen! Well done!
An enjoyable interview. Watched the whole thing. Thanks for doing this!
I would like to see Alan Dershowitz as the Secretary of Education.
There shouldn't be a Dept of Education, but ya, if we have to have one, he'd be a good pick.
Attorney General would be more suitable
S.D. Snell, I couldn’t agree more.
This is a great interview!
Alan Dershowitz is a very honorable man.
Brilliant and fascinating discussion.
Bruce Goren I preferred the adverts😂
I admire the legal career of Dershowitz, including defending the bs impeachment, but why was EPSTEIN not brought up?
Eugene Imbang Y Orteza He did mention him.
Atty> Dershowitz gave I think one of the best legal presentations during the Impeachment trial that I've ever heard. Terrific interview.
2 very brilliant minds...opposite sides of the aisle but definitely admire both. Great interview!
Great interview. Shapiro is just as smart as Dershowitz.
Let's not go that far.
From Charlie kirk to Alan Dershowitz.... wow what a spectrum of schmucks and heroes.
What a great guest and a great interview! Thank you both.
If you want impeachment to be bi-partisan then put those powers into law in the following process:
1. Congress must vote 75% or 80% for a national vote
2. A national vote must occur by which the people must vote 50%+1 and over 50% of the electorate must participate.
3. Then and only then should it go to the senate who should also vote 75%. If a president is still impeached then definitely you have national consensus.
Alan owes American Jews an APOLOGY for recommending Jews vote for Obama for president for his second term. By then he knew better.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
San Jose Mike why should he apologize? Are you butthurt? Fucking idiot
No longer in CA, and hopefully not voting for the DEMOCRATS, wherever you are.
@@mlevy2429 "why should he apologize" Something to do with the Obama Administration fueling the Tehran Jihad and the Palestinian Jihad with billions of dollars, but that's just a best guess. I think Trump's approval rating in Israel is around 80%.
42:40 Dersh admits he was duped by Obama.
@@anonosaurus4517 Dan, we have not voted for ANY Democrats in over 40 years. Our votes in CA counted for nothing.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
You both ought to do these kinds of conversations on a regular basis.
Excellent show today!
I love this guy- he defended some of my favourite people like Jeffrey Epstein, Oj, and some bitch that tortured old people
Love this
Amazing episode, great job Ben! Alan is a legal giant!!
An excellent discussion, thank you.
Boy Alan is genius. I watched him on BBC's Hard Talk the other day and applauded. Guy knows how to deal with those twats! lol
Great conversation. Well done.
Love Alan Dershowitz
Love the 2 Bernie commercials during the show! Bernie is paying Ben Shapiro!
I will never, ever, understand how such a brilliant man could vote for Hillary.
Excellent interview 👍.
Great stuff on Israel.
Alan "Deep Throat" Dershowitz what a stud
I wonder what it must feel like for both Ben and Alan, once teacher and student, now guest and host on a show syndicated to an international audience.
Alan and Ben connecting over their virginity til marriage is a mood
I have been waiting for this one. Well done!
So according to ancient sages in the Torah, Eve, and Adam, (humanity) ate from the tree of knowing (deciding) good and bad, metaphorical for deciding for yourself, without wisdom, what is good or bad.
This is perfectly displayed by identity politics those who make false accusations.
What a GREAT man!
Great law professor and patriot
Dave Rubin and Larry King: Meh. This is boring, and King seems kinda disrespectful and one-sided.
Ben Shapiro and Alan Dershowitz: Holy cow! This is awesome! Dershowitz is amazing! More please!
But seriously, Ben, I really think it'd be amazing if you did an appearance on Dave Rubin's show to debate Larry King.
Damn! The Helix mattress sounds great
sam grant 🤣
36:41 That was the funniest thing I have ever heard haha. I literally laughed out loud for a minute straight
The answer is yes.
I both cases
Great interview Ben, I would ask that you stop calling the democrat party the democratic party, if they are to be called anything, it should be called the fascist party.
Two Jewish lawyers sit down and have a civil conversation, ones a conservative the other a liberal. Conservatives rejoice, the left gets triggered.
What the fuck happened to the original intro. Loved It 😭
Also a lawyer, like the two of you. I too have supported the use of enhanced interrogation when attempting to prevent terrorism and mass murder but the information received prior to and during the torture and information generated directly from the torture cannot be used against the person tortured.