Thanks for the tip, Glenn, I am right now trying to save up for three of this type device, coming out of an active crossover for yet another one of my inane experiments. This shit is getting so weird I feel like I must get a camera to show TH-cam how to "Do It Wrong".
I cant believe they charge 250 for this thing now. The most expensive thing in that box is the 70 dollar audio grade transformer. Not only that but there are zero bells and whistles. It's literally the simplest diy build you could do.
I thought it was really interesting how during the vocal test the signal art actually passed the transients of those plosives. I didn't even realize they were missing until you switched to the signal art and the"be" and"flight" tickled my ears 😄
Also, you probably will reduce noise by placing your revamp box off your guitar amp. Use a longer cable to get the transformer in that box away from the amp.
So the new tramp box has more gain. The blue radial is half the price though, and seems to sound pretty okay. Can you just gain up in the DAW? What's the difference in doing it in software vs hardware?
I have the PRO-RMP and always noticed the lack of gain, I have to push the output level in the interface to get more gain, and it inreases noise a lot. What shounld be the optimal output level for the DAW + the interface?
I'm a super picky, critical, highly opinionated guitarist. That being said, I don't mind the differences here. I think the blue box is fine. At a $100 delta, the other two aren't worth it to me. The gain drop is a bother sometimes, but you can manage.
@Creative Sound Lab, He's listening with guitarist ears, not producer/engineer ears. I hear major tonal differences between the $100 one, which I own and hate, and the other two. Now, to me, the tonal difference between the other two is pretty negligible, but the boutique pedal has lower noise and way more gain. I'd say that makes it a winner..and less knobs to have to fiddle with...? I've been planning on buying a new re-amper as my next buy, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to get the Signal Art. Thanks for the video.
Yeah very true about our perspectives. For me I remember feeling a little spooked that someone was in the room with me that was playing through the amp. It just felt more real, and that’s from an engineer that does not (yet) play the instrument. So perhaps guitarists would feel that more? The biggest issue is that it’s hard to hear stuff when it’s not at your own environment. I have a hard time with mic shootouts online myself...and with mics that I already own! Ha. Great discussion.
Creative Sound Lab, yeah, more real is a good way to put it. The baby blue one sounds lifeless to me. I have first hand experience with it. I’ve never liked anything I’ve ever re-amped through it. Now I know why.
I have been using some tools from Little Labs, and intend to save a few shekels on my next three re-ampers, at least, by using these. I didn't get the same tone from the Radial device I had, but they have a bunch to choose from and are probably a legitimate solution as well. ymmv
Late to the reamp game. This box is no longer available. What alternative would anyone recommend? Seeing lots about the Walrus, but unsure of that's targeted advertising lol. Thanks.
I'd love to see you do a video on Ambisonic recording and if it might have any uses in a studio. Any chance you could get hold of one of those special mics?
I'm mainly playing with a clean tone coming out of a Vox amp but I want to experiment with pushing the signal for more drama in my tone without going full metal. Would the Signal Art Reamp box hurt my Vox AC10C1 100 watt amp?
It kinda look like a cinemag transformer with wires hooked to xlr input and 1/4 input, and wires laying just where ever. I like to hear it, because i quit trying to do reamping after messing with the radial stuff sounded awful to me.
I’m very confused here - isn’t the whole point of a reamp box to convert the raw DI recording from your interface’s line level / low impedance output back down to a guitar’s high impedance / instrument level? This sounds like it’s about smashing the front end of an amp with an unrealistically high output signal, no?
Hello fellow Studio One user! I think what I've learned most from this video is how badly I need new monitors. You don't think you're losing a lot by applying Sonarworks to old KRK Rokits... until you realize clear differences aren't clear to your ears.
Well a difference is always going to be clearer when you’ve been using something for a long time and then switch. For online stuff it is hard. So I try to use longer examples to combat that.
Creative Sound Lab I’m glad you included the null test. That’s proof something is different enough to help lead the listener. I’m interested what I’m not hearing through the video; can you hear the differences in the original audio?
Why cannot you add a boost pedal for example tube screamer in between the reamp box and the amplifier and just boost the signal as you would do most of the time when you play heavy guitars?
I did that before I got a signal art. Tube screamers usually get fed hot signals aswell. A quieter signal will not get you the same results. You‘d need yet another source of gain between the reamp box and the tube screamer like a clean boost pedal or line driver. The signal art basically is that but with less cables and a unit less.
I haven't got any means of testing, recording, &c. Not really what I do. I have been using a Little Labs Redeye, or sometimes my P.I.P., for reamping guitar after using my UA Solo 610 for a sweet, sweet pre-amp for my clean guitar tone. I was doing a kick drum mic thing but my drummer friend died and kind of derailed that project. Just idly tried the Solo with my guitar, then immediately shipped my unopened BAE DMP and a Redeye to a real guitar player that I know so he could try it. (Presumably the BAE works about as well, totally different cicuits.) I need to call him up and see how that works for him, before I lose my phone again. I put that Signal Arts box right up top of my list, currently need another one (but its missing) and it's lower cost than the Little Labs units. (I also misplaced my IVOG, sorta spendy stuff to lose, but that's why I need spares.)
For some reason all guitar DI's I record have overblown flubby bass compared to the same guitar signal straight into the amp, but the Signal Art box has enough gain to actually reamp without a boost pedal (and add more noise). I can always cut or boost bass.
Nice video my friend! Please, as Studio One user, help me with reamping, I am newbe one! I am a new owner of the MOTU M4, 4 outputs - 4 inputs. Outputs 1 and 2 goes to my studio monitors. This is the chain I use: DAW guitar DI track from output 3 of MOTU (balanced cable) to reamp box, then to pedals, preamplifier or microphone for amplifier, then return to input 2 of my MOTU M4. I make a new mono track in Studio One, I choose input 2 and then ... nothing !!! I only listen the DI track, the second track does not receive a signal for recording. The problem is in the Studio One's I/O, I do not know what to adjust ... sometimes, teasing some settings, I managed to record but with a bad sound and with a short delay. What am I doing wrong;... Sory from my bad English! Thank you very much you or any other friend who wants to help.
OK, here's a dumb question, isn't the whole point of a reamp box to attenuate signal? Because a line level signal is too strong? Is the benefit of the Signal Art box simply that it offers a choice to not attenuate as much, at higher gain settings? It's still attenuating, right?
OK, I am now going to (maybe) answer my own dumb question: the whole point of a DI box is to convert a high-impedance signal to low-impedance signal... so the loss of gain is a (potential) undesirable byproduct of this process?
wow that looks so easy to make. I might just try and make one. I already have all the parts minus the transformer. Any chance anyone could point to me which model they use?
I like it a lot. I need to make a video on it. Most things that I’m getting used to being different are actually a better way of working. And some things are like “yes thank you about time”.
The best reamp box I’ve found so far is the Palmer Dacappo... it’s better than all the radials I’ve tried as the sound is just as good and it does not attenuate the levels like the radials do. Very hot output and it’s cheap!! Have a look at that one if you can :)
@@creativesoundlab +4 as all the rest of my gear is that. Doesn't lose headroom or punch, and from my observations sound is on par with anything else and the noise is low. I also use their Pan-02 active DI and it's great as well.
Hello thx for all this test, after view your vids i have passe a lot of test on my gear and i'm pretty impressed of my result. i have a motu m2 and genelec 8010 + 7040 and i use the Two jack monitor out for my monitor, the only out for the reamp are RCA or Headphone amp (the volume of RCA are linked to monitor out but the headphone have a signal gain dedicated) i have try the radial pro RMP with the ground left active and desactive on the monitor jack and headphone out and after that direct jack of headphone out direct on the guitare and bass amp end after set the level of headphone amp at middle i have the best result of all test in noise level and tone drift after inverted phase test. its pretty good result for nothing investment can you try this in a quick compare with the volume set around middle. sorry for my bad english i'm french. thanx a lot and have a nice day
Rule no.1: don't use high gain pickups. They never do anything good to your sound and you can always add any kind of saturation/distortion to your sound. Rule no.2: don't take advice about sound from metalheads. My point: ...a reamp box that boosts? I guess someone skipped their physics lessons..... It all becomes apparent with a/b/c tests when the lowest in volume (biggest headroom) sounds the brightest and the least dynamic. Not to mention that above everything the Signal Art distorts quite a lot. Who wants and/or needs a distorting reamp box?! Please, don't get distracted by this BS, paying 200€ for this is appauling. You loose your dynamics and ruin everything that is desirable in reamping in the first place.
@@althewicked from the top of my head, I really like the Orchid Electronic reamp boxes for guitars. I also like their DI boxes (although they are not completely clean). For synths, I use ART Dual RDB, because they are stereo, but are also ok for guitars. ...allthough, I have to say, after my tilted comment upstairs, that the ART boxes do sound quieter than most, for some reason. Which is ok for synths, because they tend to produce sounds inside a broader frequency spectrum, but when using those for guitars, I needed to crank my amps a bit higher to get them clipping properly.
@@mod3l Thanks for your suggestions! Actually the only reason for me for a reamping box is because of reamping Fuzz pedals. For all other guitar pedals (or Amps) I just go line out of the RME UCX 2 in to the pedals and then back to the Hi-Z input of the RME (I just have to reduce the input gain of -4db for gain level match) and its sounding exactly like the original pedal tones. With the Fuzz pedals its different. I think they are reacting very sensitive of the impedance and I thought maybe a reamping box would fix that but what I read in some forums its almost impossible to reamping Fuzz pedals (also with expensive reamping boxes) without changing the tone very noticeable. Have you tried to reamping Fuzz with the Orchid Electronic reamp boxes? Or maybe you have a better solution for reamping Fuzz pedals?
@@althewicked tbf, i used to go straight in as well, but I changed to reamp boxes just so I don't have to worry and eliminate the human factor (eg. Me), so less mistakes happen when I have to engineer a certain sound. Orchid works fine with fuzz pedals i've tried it with (z.vex, old Schaller, Big Muff reissue). Some fuzzes are tricky even with some volume pedals in front of them if i remember correctly. There's also a trick with fuzz pedals, especially the old ones, where if you power them with batteries (old, not alkaline) they sound way better and cleaner. Maybe try that as well.
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Best damn reamp box I've ever used.
Thanks for the tip, Glenn, I am right now trying to save up for three of this type device, coming out of an active crossover for yet another one of my inane experiments. This shit is getting so weird I feel like I must get a camera to show TH-cam how to "Do It Wrong".
I cant believe they charge 250 for this thing now. The most expensive thing in that box is the 70 dollar audio grade transformer. Not only that but there are zero bells and whistles. It's literally the simplest diy build you could do.
Well said Sir I built mine for €80!
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Very happy to see you on the Studio One team! Hopefully we'll see some Studio One videos soon!
Thought all the sounds coming from the Signal Art box sounded "soft". That can be good or bad depending on what you want.
Wow! What a great comparison video. I know which re-amp boxes I'm buying next. Thanks! - chaz
I thought it was really interesting how during the vocal test the signal art actually passed the transients of those plosives. I didn't even realize they were missing until you switched to the signal art and the"be" and"flight" tickled my ears 😄
Interesting. I hadn’t noticed that.
I'm happy I have the ProRMP, it sounds amazing
Could you please make a video with the IK multimedia AXE/IO reamp feature? It would be awesome!!!
Excellent video. Much to think about ....
the 414 has such a lovely response
Chad does amazing work! I have an early prototype of this Signal Art Reamp that box he sent me a few years ago, and i love it!
Wow nice!
Also, you probably will reduce noise by placing your revamp box off your guitar amp. Use a longer cable to get the transformer in that box away from the amp.
So the new tramp box has more gain. The blue radial is half the price though, and seems to sound pretty okay. Can you just gain up in the DAW? What's the difference in doing it in software vs hardware?
I have the PRO-RMP and always noticed the lack of gain, I have to push the output level in the interface to get more gain, and it inreases noise a lot. What shounld be the optimal output level for the DAW + the interface?
Good stuff. Thank you.
I'm a super picky, critical, highly opinionated guitarist. That being said, I don't mind the differences here. I think the blue box is fine. At a $100 delta, the other two aren't worth it to me. The gain drop is a bother sometimes, but you can manage.
Yeah I didn’t think they sounded that different in the video. But in person I noticed it right away standing next to the amp.
@Creative Sound Lab, He's listening with guitarist ears, not producer/engineer ears. I hear major tonal differences between the $100 one, which I own and hate, and the other two. Now, to me, the tonal difference between the other two is pretty negligible, but the boutique pedal has lower noise and way more gain. I'd say that makes it a winner..and less knobs to have to fiddle with...? I've been planning on buying a new re-amper as my next buy, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to get the Signal Art. Thanks for the video.
Yeah very true about our perspectives. For me I remember feeling a little spooked that someone was in the room with me that was playing through the amp. It just felt more real, and that’s from an engineer that does not (yet) play the instrument. So perhaps guitarists would feel that more? The biggest issue is that it’s hard to hear stuff when it’s not at your own environment. I have a hard time with mic shootouts online myself...and with mics that I already own! Ha. Great discussion.
Creative Sound Lab, yeah, more real is a good way to put it. The baby blue one sounds lifeless to me. I have first hand experience with it. I’ve never liked anything I’ve ever re-amped through it. Now I know why.
I have been using some tools from Little Labs, and intend to save a few shekels on my next three re-ampers, at least, by using these. I didn't get the same tone from the Radial device I had, but they have a bunch to choose from and are probably a legitimate solution as well. ymmv
Great comparison, thanks!
Late to the reamp game. This box is no longer available. What alternative would anyone recommend? Seeing lots about the Walrus, but unsure of that's targeted advertising lol. Thanks.
I'd love to see you do a video on Ambisonic recording and if it might have any uses in a studio. Any chance you could get hold of one of those special mics?
Yeah I pry could. I’ve considered it and should cover it.
I'm mainly playing with a clean tone coming out of a Vox amp but I want to experiment with pushing the signal for more drama in my tone without going full metal. Would the Signal Art Reamp box hurt my Vox AC10C1 100 watt amp?
It kinda look like a cinemag transformer with wires hooked to xlr input and 1/4 input, and wires laying just where ever. I like to hear it, because i quit trying to do reamping after messing with the radial stuff sounded awful to me.
I’m very confused here - isn’t the whole point of a reamp box to convert the raw DI recording from your interface’s line level / low impedance output back down to a guitar’s high impedance / instrument level? This sounds like it’s about smashing the front end of an amp with an unrealistically high output signal, no?
Nice comparison !
Hello fellow Studio One user! I think what I've learned most from this video is how badly I need new monitors. You don't think you're losing a lot by applying Sonarworks to old KRK Rokits... until you realize clear differences aren't clear to your ears.
Well a difference is always going to be clearer when you’ve been using something for a long time and then switch. For online stuff it is hard. So I try to use longer examples to combat that.
Creative Sound Lab I’m glad you included the null test. That’s proof something is different enough to help lead the listener. I’m interested what I’m not hearing through the video; can you hear the differences in the original audio?
So basically, open your pro rmp, change the potentiometer for a lower value and you'll get hotter guitar signals?
Why cannot you add a boost pedal for example tube screamer in between the reamp box and the amplifier and just boost the signal as you would do most of the time when you play heavy guitars?
I did that before I got a signal art. Tube screamers usually get fed hot signals aswell. A quieter signal will not get you the same results. You‘d need yet another source of gain between the reamp box and the tube screamer like a clean boost pedal or line driver. The signal art basically is that but with less cables and a unit less.
I haven't got any means of testing, recording, &c. Not really what I do. I have been using a Little Labs Redeye, or sometimes my P.I.P., for reamping guitar after using my UA Solo 610 for a sweet, sweet pre-amp for my clean guitar tone. I was doing a kick drum mic thing but my drummer friend died and kind of derailed that project. Just idly tried the Solo with my guitar, then immediately shipped my unopened BAE DMP and a Redeye to a real guitar player that I know so he could try it. (Presumably the BAE works about as well, totally different cicuits.) I need to call him up and see how that works for him, before I lose my phone again.
I put that Signal Arts box right up top of my list, currently need another one (but its missing) and it's lower cost than the Little Labs units. (I also misplaced my IVOG, sorta spendy stuff to lose, but that's why I need spares.)
Pretty awesome
Does someone know which transformer they are using, how much ohm and ratio?
I thought the Signal Art box lacked the low end of the other boxes and sounded a bit thinner
For some reason all guitar DI's I record have overblown flubby bass compared to the same guitar signal straight into the amp, but the Signal Art box has enough gain to actually reamp without a boost pedal (and add more noise). I can always cut or boost bass.
Any chance someone can tell us what transformer they use?
Nice video my friend! Please, as Studio One user, help me with reamping, I am newbe one!
I am a new owner of the MOTU M4, 4 outputs - 4 inputs.
Outputs 1 and 2 goes to my studio monitors. This is the chain I use: DAW guitar DI track from output 3 of MOTU (balanced cable) to reamp box, then to pedals, preamplifier or microphone for amplifier, then return to input 2 of my MOTU M4.
I make a new mono track in Studio One, I choose input 2 and then ... nothing !!! I only listen the DI track, the second track does not receive a signal for recording. The problem is in the Studio One's I/O, I do not know what to adjust ... sometimes, teasing some settings, I managed to record but with a bad sound and with a short delay. What am I doing wrong;...
Sory from my bad English!
Thank you very much you or any other friend who wants to help.
I don't understand, if signal is too quiet why don't you turn up the volume? instead of -10 dB can't you just output your signal at -6 dB or more?
OK, here's a dumb question, isn't the whole point of a reamp box to attenuate signal? Because a line level signal is too strong? Is the benefit of the Signal Art box simply that it offers a choice to not attenuate as much, at higher gain settings? It's still attenuating, right?
OK, I am now going to (maybe) answer my own dumb question: the whole point of a DI box is to convert a high-impedance signal to low-impedance signal... so the loss of gain is a (potential) undesirable byproduct of this process?
wow that looks so easy to make. I might just try and make one. I already have all the parts minus the transformer. Any chance anyone could point to me which model they use?
It’s a custom one that he had cinemag build.
Hey, I see you're using Studio One now instead of Logic! How are you liking that so far?
I like it a lot. I need to make a video on it. Most things that I’m getting used to being different are actually a better way of working. And some things are like “yes thank you about time”.
The best reamp box I’ve found so far is the Palmer Dacappo... it’s better than all the radials I’ve tried as the sound is just as good and it does not attenuate the levels like the radials do. Very hot output and it’s cheap!! Have a look at that one if you can :)
Interesting. I haven’t heard of that one.
Do you run it at -10 or +4? If at -10 to get loud signal, does it loose headroom and punch?
@@creativesoundlab not at al, the palmer is great in quality and budget!
@@creativesoundlab www.palmer-germany.com/en/products/di-boxes/5093/daccapo
@@creativesoundlab +4 as all the rest of my gear is that. Doesn't lose headroom or punch, and from my observations sound is on par with anything else and the noise is low. I also use their Pan-02 active DI and it's great as well.
to my ears it lacked clarity of the other two tbh. i was coming to this video thinking of buying one btw so no confirmation bias evident!
Hello thx for all this test, after view your vids i have passe a lot of test on my gear and i'm pretty impressed of my result. i have a motu m2 and genelec 8010 + 7040 and i use the Two jack monitor out for my monitor, the only out for the reamp are RCA or Headphone amp (the volume of RCA are linked to monitor out but the headphone have a signal gain dedicated) i have try the radial pro RMP with the ground left active and desactive on the monitor jack and headphone out and after that direct jack of headphone out direct on the guitare and bass amp end after set the level of headphone amp at middle i have the best result of all test in noise level and tone drift after inverted phase test. its pretty good result for nothing investment can you try this in a quick compare with the volume set around middle. sorry for my bad english i'm french. thanx a lot and have a nice day
Which transformer does this reamp box use?
Looks like a cinnemag.
JCR sound best
I don't like harsh (colour) on Signal Art
Just got my Signal Art ReAmp Box, but somehow it's really really noisy comparing with my Radial X-Amp Reamp Box....
Interesting, I was just trying to decide between those two reamps. Which one do you like best ?
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Rule no.1: don't use high gain pickups. They never do anything good to your sound and you can always add any kind of saturation/distortion to your sound.
Rule no.2: don't take advice about sound from metalheads.
My point: ...a reamp box that boosts? I guess someone skipped their physics lessons..... It all becomes apparent with a/b/c tests when the lowest in volume (biggest headroom) sounds the brightest and the least dynamic. Not to mention that above everything the Signal Art distorts quite a lot. Who wants and/or needs a distorting reamp box?!
Please, don't get distracted by this BS, paying 200€ for this is appauling. You loose your dynamics and ruin everything that is desirable in reamping in the first place.
Any advice for a good sounding reamp box?
@@althewicked from the top of my head, I really like the Orchid Electronic reamp boxes for guitars. I also like their DI boxes (although they are not completely clean). For synths, I use ART Dual RDB, because they are stereo, but are also ok for guitars.
...allthough, I have to say, after my tilted comment upstairs, that the ART boxes do sound quieter than most, for some reason. Which is ok for synths, because they tend to produce sounds inside a broader frequency spectrum, but when using those for guitars, I needed to crank my amps a bit higher to get them clipping properly.
@@mod3l Thanks for your suggestions! Actually the only reason for me for a reamping box is because of reamping Fuzz pedals. For all other guitar pedals (or Amps) I just go line out of the RME UCX 2 in to the pedals and then back to the Hi-Z input of the RME (I just have to reduce the input gain of -4db for gain level match) and its sounding exactly like the original pedal tones. With the Fuzz pedals its different. I think they are reacting very sensitive of the impedance and I thought maybe a reamping box would fix that but what I read in some forums its almost impossible to reamping Fuzz pedals (also with expensive reamping boxes) without changing the tone very noticeable.
Have you tried to reamping Fuzz with the Orchid Electronic reamp boxes? Or maybe you have a better solution for reamping Fuzz pedals?
@@althewicked tbf, i used to go straight in as well, but I changed to reamp boxes just so I don't have to worry and eliminate the human factor (eg. Me), so less mistakes happen when I have to engineer a certain sound.
Orchid works fine with fuzz pedals i've tried it with (z.vex, old Schaller, Big Muff reissue). Some fuzzes are tricky even with some volume pedals in front of them if i remember correctly. There's also a trick with fuzz pedals, especially the old ones, where if you power them with batteries (old, not alkaline) they sound way better and cleaner. Maybe try that as well.
@@mod3l You've convinced me :) ...I try the Orchid Box and hope it will fix that Fuzz reamping problem. Thanks man! Cheers
Amazing comparison ! Thanks