Thanks for watching! If you enjoyed the episode please consider subscribing to help support my channel. If you're feeling extra supportive you can also support me over on Ko-Fi: ko-fi.com/gamediscourses
This is the only part in FF7 that still disturb me till this day. And its been 2 decades. Lucrecia made out with this dude over Vincent. The level of dirty he did to Vincent... impregnate his first love, shoots him, then warps his body so he could suffer for the rest of eternity.
Only thing is he didn't care at all about Vincent, only about his experimentations so that wasn't meant to hurt Vincent as Hojo is simply a crazy scientist scumbag that follows his plans
He's definitely one of the biggest scumbags of the game but as for me he was also tricked by Jenova thinking it was a Cetra while he actually was spreading her will and allowing her to slowly resurrect by putting her genes into Sephiroth, Cloud and others. He wasn't aware of that until pr. Gast report was in his hands... Then he became even more of a scumbag 😛
I don’t think he’s the “real” villain of ff7, sure he may be responsible for almost everything that’s happened but that doesn’t mean he’s the “real” villain of the story that would be Sephiroth.
I have to agree he is the main villain of the saga. Look at the amount of life's he has ruined. Cloud's, Aerith's Sephiroth's, Zack's, Gast's (quite literally), Vincent's and Lucrecia's. Even Red XIII's. Almost everything awful that transpires is a result or knock-on-effect of his scientific meddling and curiosity. His desire for science and 'just wanting to find out what will happen' is so great it destroys any and all sense of morality a normal person would have possessed.
He's basically FF VII "Bigger Bad" next to Jenova! The two are the largest reasons for Sephiroth's fall into villiany as well as being his biggest aids to his end goal! But at the end of the day! Sephiroth is the big bad because Godhood became "his" endgoal! As I remember him siccing Jenova Absolute on you was to show it no longer was in control of his actions (it was instead the reverse) and Hojo honestly only wanted Sephiroth to succeed out of his "scientific curiosity!" (Every bad thing that has happened that has his hand in it was ALL FOR THAT FUCKING CURIOSITY!) so it didn't matter to him how things ended for him as long as "he is proven right!" by his greatest creation! His son succeeds in becoming a god! Don't know if there was any change in their relationship! But I'm sure there was no love lost between the father-son! They were using each other and they both were aware of it.
I don’t think he’s the “real” villain of ff7 but he is a sociopathic scientist. I hope that in the final fantasy 7 remake shows that after his boss fight his soul will be unable to return to the lifestream due his experiments, lack of humanity and desire for Gaia’s knowledge, but his soul will be punished by the goddess of the planet Gaia, hojo will be sent to a place similar to hell where he will be punished for arrogance and for making the people he met suffer so he can suffer for all eternity.
@@rileyduncan3927 Would love that outcome for him! Hojo and Jenova are considered Seven's "Bigger Bad" for a reason! Sephiroth would never have been nor reach the level of threat he became, much less been set on the path he took if not for their actions! Hojo more then Jenova as Jenova was only using what she/it got access to in Sephy! The foundation in which was Hojo! And the worse things is when you think on it! How much was deliberate and how much was "Let's go with it!" (As I doubt Hojo predicted "everything" This is the guy who would commit crimes against humanity simply because he was "curious and wanted to see the results of a thought he had in his head at the time! Team Fourstar and CloudStrife8 There abridged versions of the man, no matter which painted him quite well! Whatever it's uping his creep factor in the case of Fourstar or making him similar to Aqua teen Hunger force's "Dr Weird" with an equal mix of comedy....and horror with the whole "For Science!" mind set and love of experimenting on living TEST SUBJECTS! Seven Remake felt like a mix of both! WITHOUT THE COMEDY FACTOR!) It would be funny if Dirge of Cerburus is still canon! It would mean that "digital upload of himself" is (or was) the "last remnant of that monster!" (Since if what you described happened! It means nothing of him remained but that...up till Vincient destroyed him for good! I mean Sephiroth fucking still exists within the Lifestream after all after everything he did in the main story! Even President Shinra who was purposely killing the planet in the name of profit and power! was still brought into the lifestream! Worse hell he got was being stuck in limbo not accepting the fact Sephiroth killed him already! And who knows how long between his death and Aerith's he's been stuck in that situation! And likely still was while Aerith was doing her own thing in the Lifestream between her death and the final battle!) If so then good!
@@rileyduncan3927 Figured as much! That End along with the "final fate" of every Jojo Big Bad (other then 6, 7, and 8! But will get there eventually) are considered very memorable to me in my top "deaths/bad ends" for Anime Big Bad's!
Hojo tried to make Aeris breed with Red XII, and thought this process might produce a viable offspring, I think we've gone past mildly irritated, past merely irate, and well into mad science.
it's sad that many people dont know that hojo is the real mvp of the FF7 story ... he and jenova are the core of the crisis (pun intendet) ~ but i'am so lucky that the remake will do him justice ! ✔♥️
Actually, I think both Sephiroth and Hojo were just used by Jenova :) Here's my take, hope you take a look and tell me your thought hehe docs.google.com/document/d/1nuiBWtfiWqY_gCJ8tpEvIglktb0uKMea8LTJWBNjeYA/edit?usp=sharing
I think the reason Hojo set up most of the events of the game is because he wants to extend his knowledge of the planet, destroy the planet and achieve perfection but the truth is Hojo doesn’t realize that nothing is perfect in this world or other world’s. And he may think Sephiroth was his pawn but I think Hojo was being by sephiroth as well, in other words both Sephiroth and Hojo were using each other and both were well aware of it.
Don't really think....Sephiroth,clearly,doesn't want to interact with him,hates him deeply and look at him as a failed miserable "walking mass of complexis"..........After the accident of Nibelheim,Sephiroth falls in the madness and under the control of Jenova,and in such condition follow the will of Jenova,so cannot use nothing and noone,unless Jenova wants this for her goals.....
Your analysis is always incredibly thoughtful. Excellent video! So I bring this up all the time, but one of the biggest reasons I simply adore FFVII is how it integrates a lot more horror into its plot than it ever gets credit for - especially in relation to Hojo who seems to be just ripe for picking apart in terms of genre influences. I always thought of him as sort a JRPG Herbert West or something.
Ha, yeah there's definitely some Re-animator vibes to Hojo's characterisation. I think you're right about the horror tropes too... the most striking to me was when Jenova escapes the Shinra building and we're walking around blood-smeared corridors. The music and atmosphere was pretty freaky in that sequence.
I wonder if Sephiroth knew that Hojo was his father. According to Hojo he didn't know but during the Kalm-Flashback Sephiroth was laughing while thinking about his father. So I'm not sure. But would Sephiroth care anyway? Jenova seems to be the only parant he accepts.
I always wondered about that too, particularly because of the part you mention where he laughs. The fact he doesn't elaborate makes that quite a cool scene though.
Before you fight Hojo he claims that Sephiroth doesn’t know that he is his father and wonder how he’d react if he found out as Sephiroth apparently always looked down on Hojo. As for Sephiroth’s behaviour in Clouds hometown...I believe he was raised in Shinra and around both Hojo and Gast. (Until Gast left.)
@@ZeldaLover6 you gotta consider that this is before he goes into the Lifestream which is in a place that filled with wisdom and knowledge of the planet sooooo it's not off the table
@@spadesandshades-pc9tx Wisdom that is only obtained from dead people in said lifestream who would have to have known that kind of info, which wasn’t a lot of people.
Seen an absolutely interesting theory on the ff7 remake sub on reddit that claims Hojo was responsible for the events of the Nibelheim incident. Honestly I believe the theory because it's so fucking believable it's crazy. It argues that why the fuck would Shinra send Sephiroth to Nibelheim to investigate a reactor Malfunction knowing all to well that Jenova, Sephiroth's "Mother" was currently held their. The official records are that Sephiroth's mother died giving birth. This coupled with the fact that extremely sensitive information on project J were so easily accessible in Shinra manor leading to Sephiroth finding this information. The theory states that Hojo orchestrated the events of the Nibelheim incident in order to research the reunion theory. Hojo was literally the first Shinra official on the scene after the incident to take Cloud and Zack away to experiment on with Jenova cells. Hojo was the reason all of this happened
I'm wondering if he's going to show up in Costa Del Sol (at least on the beach) in the new games. You have to admit its a little silly him being on the beach in his labcoat - and I definitely don't want to see him in a speedo.
Well, this comment has certainly aged. While they did keep the part about Hojo going to Costa Del Sol, I kind of like how they expanded on it into another one of his insane experiments. It also gave a great opportunity for Yuffie to prove her worth to Cloud and co.
Excellent analysis of Hojo! His character is one that scared me as a kid, but I didn’t really get what part he played in the story of FF7 until coming back to the game as an adult. Love your channel! Hope you start getting more attention. Your content is so unique. I would love to see you do a collab with 4-8 productions, cosmo canyon observatory, or soldier 1st class.
Thanks man, and yeah I'm familiar with two of those channels and they're pretty cool - haven't ever spoken with them directly though about a collab or anything else.
Sephiroth is a nihilist, a tyrant, a narcissist and a murderer, but he does display complex human emotions at times. I can’t help feeling that Hojo is somehow worse. Everything that he says and does seems to come from a completely ruthless, twisted, perverted and heinous place - particularly with wanting to breed Nanaki’s species with Aerith, the Vincent and Lucrecia stuff, and what he does to Sephiroth as a foetus. He is/was a truly evil, unambiguous, and inhumane person, who was the catalyst for many of the negative events which then play out. A real villain, who deserved a painful and miserable death.
In the Remake Hojo did not want Red XIII to breed with Aerith but with S and or G Class Soldiers. Still doesn't make it better but makes a tiny bit more sense. Still I wonder how he would perceive the whispers
Well, when he was carried away by them, he called it a fascinating phenomenon. So he'd probably try to see what he could do to lure them out and study them, considering that he can't contain them.
I found Hojo to be a reprehensible, irredeemable, monster who gave up his humanity for the sake of his own scientific research. He is one of the more extreme characters in the compilation of FF7 because of the way he values his own research over the sanctity of life. It is because of this that I found your comparison to Hojo and Josef Mengele to be very accurate.
if they ever did a final fantasy 7 remake live action movie .I can only think of 2 famous people/musicians who might fit the bill for the role of professor hojo.that being,ozzy Osbourne,or getty lee from rush.
I chose ozzy and getty lee because they closely resemble hojo's physical appearance in some way.all they need is glasses ,a white lab coat and a hellish ,scary attitude to go with it,and there you got hojo
I like the fact about Hojo that he is lowkey the real villain of FF7 but I also think he is a disappointing character. His personnality is never really developed beyond the "mad scientist" trope and the opposition you rightfully highlight between him and Pr. Gast can really be summed up as good vs evil. He's quite disappointing for a FF villain because he seems to be evil just for the sake of it. And as another commentator pointed out, his relationship with Lucretia appears totally unbelievable as a result.
I was also jarred by the Hojo/Lucrecia thing. Regarding his reductive personality and stereotypically 'evil' agenda... I can forgive it mainly because he's simply one of many villains in FF7; Sephiroth, Jenova, Rufus, the Turks etc, and the focus was mainly given to the Sephiroth arc, but you're right, understanding why he does what he does, or at least hinting at it, would have been much more interesting.
James Gravil I hear you but, like you said, at least Kefka’s madness can be somewhat explained. And he has other traits that make him interesting unlike Hojo who is very unidimensional.
@@trufreedom That was more President Shinra's end goal! (Spoilers the "Promised Land" was always the afterlife! It was in a way a "metaphor" nothing more! Everyone who told him he was a fool for pursing such a goal at the determent of everything he had already were completely right that it was doomed for failure! Hell even in the afterlife as a side story showing what Aerith was doing in the Lifestream after Sephiroth killed her up to the final battle with him had her come across his soul which still held on to the belief that he would find the damn place! Not realizing he was "there already and it wasn't what he believed it to be!" Point was to show that like the Emperor from FF6! He and Shrina Company were not that huge a threat compared to Sephiroth! Yeah Shinra ruined the environment and were opressive! But Sephiroth's end goal would end all life on the planet just so he can pretty much cruise existance as a god!). Everything Hojo does is to satisfy his "morbid" unethical scientific curiosity! Doesn't matter who he has to hurt or destroy to reach that goal! Even aiding his son and aiding the release of a "dangerous civilization destroying monster" like Jenova was all simply for that goal (lets not forget in the end Hojo is evil in that he doesn't have a morel compass what so ever! He's a different flavor of "did it because he could and he wanted to see the results!" similar yet different then similar thinking villains like Kefka and the Joker! Three of the scariest types of evil in my opinion is "Just want to watch the world burn", "Cannot and REFUSE to acknowledge their evil when it's plain as day!" and "Because they wanted to see what would happen"........the last one scary when you look at how many lives Hojo ended and ruined because of that thought pattern in the entire FF VII lore. Both OG & Remake!)
" NOT ACTIVELY TRYING TO HARM PEOPLE " Hmmm I guess Hojo can be lumped with manson since manson really wasn't ACTIVELY trying to HARM people either............
I agree! Mostly every bad thing that's happened (especially meteorfall) and to most of the characters has all been that sick mad scientist freak HOJO! Aerith's parents Professor Gast and Ifalna, Vincent, Lucrecia, Sephiroth, Zack, Cloud and Red Xlll. See Hojo's always had his own sick mad scientist agendas for his research on the Certa and Jenova. First he and Lucrecia used their son for the Jenova project and she never even got to hold him once. She wasn't even sure she wanted to do that and when Vincent asked she just pushed him away. Then I guess it was Hojo who named their son Sephiroth and all he told him about his mother was that her name was Jenova that's all and that was a LIE! It was also the reason he went mad in the first place cause before that he was a hero of the Wutai war until all that research he did on Jenova thinking she was his mother in the basement of Nibelheim's shinra manor. Then for Hojo's Cetra research he first had Professor Gast killed and took his wife Ifalna and daughter Aerith away to Midgar so they could be experimented on and so they could help Shinra to find the so called promised land which wasn't even real. Then they somehow escaped but Ifalna was either weak or injured when they reached the sector 5 train station and just before she died Ifalna told a lady named Elmyra to take Aerith somewhere safe. Then after the Nibelheim incident Hojo took Zack and Cloud for his reunion theory experiment and attempted to make Cloud a Sephiroth clone by injecting Jenova cells into him he but saw Cloud and Zack as failures so he just sealed both of them away in pods in the basement of shinra manor for 5 years. Then when they finally woke up Zack seemed okay but Cloud was exposed to mako for so long he was in a vegetable state for a while Zsck had to carry him all the way to Midgar but was then killed by shinra troops and Cloud finally came around but his memories were all mixed up, having a dickhead attitude and he was having PTSD about Sephiroth. Little did he know he had become a puppet of Jenova and his whole journey to pursue Sephiroth was a sham cause really he was being summoned by him to the nothern crater and to give him the black materia so he could summon meteor and that put the whole planet in danger. Then back in Midgar Hojo was attempting to help Sephiroth by giving him more energy with the mako cannon not even caring what happens to Midgar or the planet and that was just CRAZY!!! Then in FF7 Dirge of Cerberus Hojo was dead but he somehow got into Weiss's body ans attempted to use him to come back to life but Vincent stopped him and Omega. See as you said it's always been HOJO who's been the main villain of FF7!
Zzz I’ve always hated him! Anyway, he’s certainly one of the more realistic thematic villains to ever come out of Square Soft. Before disasters like Crisis Core it was conveyed that the whole SOLDIER/ Shinra business was basically imperialism on steroids, and what a better way to drive the point home when the man responsible for Sephiroth could be argued to be even more of a monster than he is.
Hojo is what happens when scientific curiosity isn't tempered by ethics. Was there ever an explanation as to why he never tried to make another Sephiroth? Because it was kind of a successful experiment. He was wrong about Jenova being a Cetra, so Seph couldn't lead them to the promised land, but he was successful as a super soldier. He could have created whole legions of super soldiers, better than the best SOLDIERs.
Hojo and President Shinra are probably the two most evil ppl in the game. Sephiroth is just insane and powerful. Although I suppose Genova could be the main villain. Hojo tried to make a saber tooth rape an innocent girl....yikes
Wait. In og ff7 he totally shoots Vincent, Professor Ghast, infused his own son with jenova, tried to have aeris raped by red xiii.... Yeah I'd say he was pretty evil of a villain.
School against school 🏫 nation against nation like I said the world 🗺 and Earth 🌎 if we all just were intelligent 🤓 and worked together would be a great 👍🏾 fantastic place but now you Racist you got facist you Races you got mythology you got a lot right see these doctors 🥼 check what their prescripting the side effects people whom I grew up with went too school with hopefully we are excelling and prospering people whom I’ve known and met hopefully we are good and on a good healthy friendships partnership bias again Canada 🇨🇦 right don’t feel fortunate sometimes for anything especially in a Capitalism and capitalist... next too impossible too get the full story right cause on psp solider was different cloud strife right anyway great game I don’t think 🤔 I could do it anymore I have beat a lot of these games but again the young mind is better and more intellectual then the older mind and 🧠 again wish too be kept in tact understand what we live in society and civilization...noticed odd things Akeem just wants Currencies amen 🙏🏾
Thanks for watching! If you enjoyed the episode please consider subscribing to help support my channel. If you're feeling extra supportive you can also support me over on Ko-Fi: ko-fi.com/gamediscourses
This is the only part in FF7 that still disturb me till this day. And its been 2 decades.
Lucrecia made out with this dude over Vincent.
The level of dirty he did to Vincent... impregnate his first love, shoots him, then warps his body so he could suffer for the rest of eternity.
Only thing is he didn't care at all about Vincent, only about his experimentations so that wasn't meant to hurt Vincent as Hojo is simply a crazy scientist scumbag that follows his plans
@@alexeiharp7676 I don't think he cared much for Lucrecia either
As others have said, he really is the 'real' villain of FFVII and is responsible for so much of the goings on. Great vid!
Thanks man. And yeah I agree he's the architect of most bad things in this story.
He's definitely one of the biggest scumbags of the game but as for me he was also tricked by Jenova thinking it was a Cetra while he actually was spreading her will and allowing her to slowly resurrect by putting her genes into Sephiroth, Cloud and others. He wasn't aware of that until pr. Gast report was in his hands... Then he became even more of a scumbag 😛
I don’t think he’s the “real” villain of ff7, sure he may be responsible for almost everything that’s happened but that doesn’t mean he’s the “real” villain of the story that would be Sephiroth.
He's more of a catalyst than a villain in my opinion. He's just a piece in Jenova's plans.
I have to agree he is the main villain of the saga. Look at the amount of life's he has ruined. Cloud's, Aerith's Sephiroth's, Zack's, Gast's (quite literally), Vincent's and Lucrecia's. Even Red XIII's. Almost everything awful that transpires is a result or knock-on-effect of his scientific meddling and curiosity. His desire for science and 'just wanting to find out what will happen' is so great it destroys any and all sense of morality a normal person would have possessed.
He is kind of the real villain. He is the cause of most of the bad things that happen throughout the plot.
He's basically FF VII "Bigger Bad" next to Jenova! The two are the largest reasons for Sephiroth's fall into villiany as well as being his biggest aids to his end goal! But at the end of the day! Sephiroth is the big bad because Godhood became "his" endgoal! As I remember him siccing Jenova Absolute on you was to show it no longer was in control of his actions (it was instead the reverse) and Hojo honestly only wanted Sephiroth to succeed out of his "scientific curiosity!" (Every bad thing that has happened that has his hand in it was ALL FOR THAT FUCKING CURIOSITY!) so it didn't matter to him how things ended for him as long as "he is proven right!" by his greatest creation! His son succeeds in becoming a god!
Don't know if there was any change in their relationship! But I'm sure there was no love lost between the father-son! They were using each other and they both were aware of it.
I don’t think he’s the “real” villain of ff7 but he is a sociopathic scientist. I hope that in the final fantasy 7 remake shows that after his boss fight his soul will be unable to return to the lifestream due his experiments, lack of humanity and desire for Gaia’s knowledge, but his soul will be punished by the goddess of the planet Gaia, hojo will be sent to a place similar to hell where he will be punished for arrogance and for making the people he met suffer so he can suffer for all eternity.
@@rileyduncan3927 Would love that outcome for him!
Hojo and Jenova are considered Seven's "Bigger Bad" for a reason! Sephiroth would never have been nor reach the level of threat he became, much less been set on the path he took if not for their actions! Hojo more then Jenova as Jenova was only using what she/it got access to in Sephy! The foundation in which was Hojo! And the worse things is when you think on it! How much was deliberate and how much was "Let's go with it!" (As I doubt Hojo predicted "everything" This is the guy who would commit crimes against humanity simply because he was "curious and wanted to see the results of a thought he had in his head at the time! Team Fourstar and CloudStrife8 There abridged versions of the man, no matter which painted him quite well! Whatever it's uping his creep factor in the case of Fourstar or making him similar to Aqua teen Hunger force's "Dr Weird" with an equal mix of comedy....and horror with the whole "For Science!" mind set and love of experimenting on living TEST SUBJECTS! Seven Remake felt like a mix of both! WITHOUT THE COMEDY FACTOR!)
It would be funny if Dirge of Cerburus is still canon! It would mean that "digital upload of himself" is (or was) the "last remnant of that monster!" (Since if what you described happened! It means nothing of him remained but that...up till Vincient destroyed him for good! I mean Sephiroth fucking still exists within the Lifestream after all after everything he did in the main story! Even President Shinra who was purposely killing the planet in the name of profit and power! was still brought into the lifestream! Worse hell he got was being stuck in limbo not accepting the fact Sephiroth killed him already! And who knows how long between his death and Aerith's he's been stuck in that situation! And likely still was while Aerith was doing her own thing in the Lifestream between her death and the final battle!) If so then good!
paulman34340 I agree, what I said earlier was inspired from the scene in fma brotherhood where Truth punishes father and forces him return to nothing.
@@rileyduncan3927 Figured as much! That End along with the "final fate" of every Jojo Big Bad (other then 6, 7, and 8! But will get there eventually) are considered very memorable to me in my top "deaths/bad ends" for Anime Big Bad's!
Hojo tried to make Aeris breed with Red XII, and thought this process might produce a viable offspring, I think we've gone past mildly irritated, past merely irate, and well into mad science.
Switch that mad with bad and we got a match
it's sad that many people dont know that hojo is the real mvp of the FF7 story ... he and jenova are the core of the crisis
(pun intendet)
~ but i'am so lucky that the remake will do him justice ! ✔♥️
Actually, I think both Sephiroth and Hojo were just used by Jenova :)
Here's my take, hope you take a look and tell me your thought hehe
docs.google.com/document/d/1nuiBWtfiWqY_gCJ8tpEvIglktb0uKMea8LTJWBNjeYA/edit?usp=sharing
I think the reason Hojo set up most of the events of the game is because he wants to extend his knowledge of the planet, destroy the planet and achieve perfection but the truth is Hojo doesn’t realize that nothing is perfect in this world or other world’s. And he may think Sephiroth was his pawn but I think Hojo was being by sephiroth as well, in other words both Sephiroth and Hojo were using each other and both were well aware of it.
Don't really think....Sephiroth,clearly,doesn't want to interact with him,hates him deeply and look at him as a failed miserable "walking mass of complexis"..........After the accident of Nibelheim,Sephiroth falls in the madness and under the control of Jenova,and in such condition follow the will of Jenova,so cannot use nothing and noone,unless Jenova wants this for her goals.....
@@federicamacchia1656 Sephiroth was the one controlling Jenova actually.
Your analysis is always incredibly thoughtful. Excellent video! So I bring this up all the time, but one of the biggest reasons I simply adore FFVII is how it integrates a lot more horror into its plot than it ever gets credit for - especially in relation to Hojo who seems to be just ripe for picking apart in terms of genre influences. I always thought of him as sort a JRPG Herbert West or something.
Ha, yeah there's definitely some Re-animator vibes to Hojo's characterisation. I think you're right about the horror tropes too... the most striking to me was when Jenova escapes the Shinra building and we're walking around blood-smeared corridors. The music and atmosphere was pretty freaky in that sequence.
I wonder if Sephiroth knew that Hojo was his father. According to Hojo he didn't know but during the Kalm-Flashback Sephiroth was laughing while thinking about his father. So I'm not sure. But would Sephiroth care anyway? Jenova seems to be the only parant he accepts.
I always wondered about that too, particularly because of the part you mention where he laughs. The fact he doesn't elaborate makes that quite a cool scene though.
Before you fight Hojo he claims that Sephiroth doesn’t know that he is his father and wonder how he’d react if he found out as Sephiroth apparently always looked down on Hojo.
As for Sephiroth’s behaviour in Clouds hometown...I believe he was raised in Shinra and around both Hojo and Gast. (Until Gast left.)
@@ZeldaLover6 you gotta consider that this is before he goes into the Lifestream which is in a place that filled with wisdom and knowledge of the planet sooooo it's not off the table
@@spadesandshades-pc9tx Wisdom that is only obtained from dead people in said lifestream who would have to have known that kind of info, which wasn’t a lot of people.
@@ZeldaLover6 yeah but here's another thing I never did say when in the story he claims to enter I'm referring to hojo lol
Seen an absolutely interesting theory on the ff7 remake sub on reddit that claims Hojo was responsible for the events of the Nibelheim incident.
Honestly I believe the theory because it's so fucking believable it's crazy. It argues that why the fuck would Shinra send Sephiroth to Nibelheim to investigate a reactor Malfunction knowing all to well that Jenova, Sephiroth's "Mother" was currently held their. The official records are that Sephiroth's mother died giving birth.
This coupled with the fact that extremely sensitive information on project J were so easily accessible in Shinra manor leading to Sephiroth finding this information.
The theory states that Hojo orchestrated the events of the Nibelheim incident in order to research the reunion theory. Hojo was literally the first Shinra official on the scene after the incident to take Cloud and Zack away to experiment on with Jenova cells.
Hojo was the reason all of this happened
darn... that makes a bunch of sense!
Yeah that makes sense. Hojo is basically an agent of organized chaos.
I'm wondering if he's going to show up in Costa Del Sol (at least on the beach) in the new games. You have to admit its a little silly him being on the beach in his labcoat - and I definitely don't want to see him in a speedo.
I have also been wondering this lol
I guess even evil scientists need some r and r once in a while
Well, this comment has certainly aged. While they did keep the part about Hojo going to Costa Del Sol, I kind of like how they expanded on it into another one of his insane experiments. It also gave a great opportunity for Yuffie to prove her worth to Cloud and co.
Hojo is the instigator of the story.
Excellent analysis of Hojo! His character is one that scared me as a kid, but I didn’t really get what part he played in the story of FF7 until coming back to the game as an adult. Love your channel! Hope you start getting more attention. Your content is so unique. I would love to see you do a collab with 4-8 productions, cosmo canyon observatory, or soldier 1st class.
Thanks man, and yeah I'm familiar with two of those channels and they're pretty cool - haven't ever spoken with them directly though about a collab or anything else.
Sephiroth is a nihilist, a tyrant, a narcissist and a murderer, but he does display complex human emotions at times. I can’t help feeling that Hojo is somehow worse. Everything that he says and does seems to come from a completely ruthless, twisted, perverted and heinous place - particularly with wanting to breed Nanaki’s species with Aerith, the Vincent and Lucrecia stuff, and what he does to Sephiroth as a foetus. He is/was a truly evil, unambiguous, and inhumane person, who was the catalyst for many of the negative events which then play out. A real villain, who deserved a painful and miserable death.
Sephiroth Is Just under the control of a Monster.....Remember Who he truly was before that...
In the Remake Hojo did not want Red XIII to breed with Aerith but with S and or G Class Soldiers. Still doesn't make it better but makes a tiny bit more sense. Still I wonder how he would perceive the whispers
Well, when he was carried away by them, he called it a fascinating phenomenon. So he'd probably try to see what he could do to lure them out and study them, considering that he can't contain them.
FF7 lore: *big book* - FF7 lore if Hojo wasn't a monster *tiny book*
I found Hojo to be a reprehensible, irredeemable, monster who gave up his humanity for the sake of his own scientific research. He is one of the more extreme characters in the compilation of FF7 because of the way he values his own research over the sanctity of life. It is because of this that I found your comparison to Hojo and Josef Mengele to be very accurate.
Please do Lucrecia Crescent analysis and Gast
Can I gotta ask is Hojo crazer than Kefka
HOJO:HOLLER AT A PLAYA WHEN YOU SEE ME AT A STREET TRICK
YEAAAHH!!
if they ever did a final fantasy 7 remake live action movie .I can only think of 2 famous people/musicians who might fit the bill for the role of professor hojo.that being,ozzy Osbourne,or getty lee from rush.
I chose ozzy and getty lee because they closely resemble hojo's physical appearance in some way.all they need is glasses ,a white lab coat and a hellish ,scary attitude to go with it,and there you got hojo
@@brianblessing8369 Ozzy Osbourne does look the part, but it's hard to imagine Professor Hojo dropping F-bombs every five seconds...
I like the fact about Hojo that he is lowkey the real villain of FF7 but I also think he is a disappointing character. His personnality is never really developed beyond the "mad scientist" trope and the opposition you rightfully highlight between him and Pr. Gast can really be summed up as good vs evil. He's quite disappointing for a FF villain because he seems to be evil just for the sake of it. And as another commentator pointed out, his relationship with Lucretia appears totally unbelievable as a result.
I was also jarred by the Hojo/Lucrecia thing. Regarding his reductive personality and stereotypically 'evil' agenda... I can forgive it mainly because he's simply one of many villains in FF7; Sephiroth, Jenova, Rufus, the Turks etc, and the focus was mainly given to the Sephiroth arc, but you're right, understanding why he does what he does, or at least hinting at it, would have been much more interesting.
James Gravil I hear you but, like you said, at least Kefka’s madness can be somewhat explained. And he has other traits that make him interesting unlike Hojo who is very unidimensional.
I always assumed his end goal was to reach the "promised land", no matter the cost of his twisted actions.
So you're just another idiot who thinks a villain needs to have some complex backstory or motive to be a good villain.
@@trufreedom That was more President Shinra's end goal! (Spoilers the "Promised Land" was always the afterlife! It was in a way a "metaphor" nothing more! Everyone who told him he was a fool for pursing such a goal at the determent of everything he had already were completely right that it was doomed for failure! Hell even in the afterlife as a side story showing what Aerith was doing in the Lifestream after Sephiroth killed her up to the final battle with him had her come across his soul which still held on to the belief that he would find the damn place! Not realizing he was "there already and it wasn't what he believed it to be!" Point was to show that like the Emperor from FF6! He and Shrina Company were not that huge a threat compared to Sephiroth! Yeah Shinra ruined the environment and were opressive! But Sephiroth's end goal would end all life on the planet just so he can pretty much cruise existance as a god!).
Everything Hojo does is to satisfy his "morbid" unethical scientific curiosity! Doesn't matter who he has to hurt or destroy to reach that goal! Even aiding his son and aiding the release of a "dangerous civilization destroying monster" like Jenova was all simply for that goal (lets not forget in the end Hojo is evil in that he doesn't have a morel compass what so ever! He's a different flavor of "did it because he could and he wanted to see the results!" similar yet different then similar thinking villains like Kefka and the Joker! Three of the scariest types of evil in my opinion is "Just want to watch the world burn", "Cannot and REFUSE to acknowledge their evil when it's plain as day!" and "Because they wanted to see what would happen"........the last one scary when you look at how many lives Hojo ended and ruined because of that thought pattern in the entire FF VII lore. Both OG & Remake!)
" NOT ACTIVELY TRYING TO HARM PEOPLE " Hmmm I guess Hojo can be lumped with manson since manson really wasn't ACTIVELY trying to HARM people either............
Fun Twist: Hojo is Sephiroth's biological father
8:54 Mako is pronounced Mahko
How do yall feel that Final Fantasy Union is straight up ripping off your content these days :/
I agree! Mostly every bad thing that's happened (especially meteorfall) and to most of the characters has all been that sick mad scientist freak HOJO! Aerith's parents Professor Gast and Ifalna, Vincent, Lucrecia, Sephiroth, Zack, Cloud and Red Xlll.
See Hojo's always had his own sick mad scientist agendas for his research on the Certa and Jenova. First he and Lucrecia used their son for the Jenova project and she never even got to hold him once. She wasn't even sure she wanted to do that and when Vincent asked she just pushed him away. Then I guess it was Hojo who named their son Sephiroth and all he told him about his mother was that her name was Jenova that's all and that was a LIE! It was also the reason he went mad in the first place cause before that he was a hero of the Wutai war until all that research he did on Jenova thinking she was his mother in the basement of Nibelheim's shinra manor.
Then for Hojo's Cetra research he first had Professor Gast killed and took his wife Ifalna and daughter Aerith away to Midgar so they could be experimented on and so they could help Shinra to find the so called promised land which wasn't even real. Then they somehow escaped but Ifalna was either weak or injured when they reached the sector 5 train station and just before she died Ifalna told a lady named Elmyra to take Aerith somewhere safe.
Then after the Nibelheim incident Hojo took Zack and Cloud for his reunion theory experiment and attempted to make Cloud a Sephiroth clone by injecting Jenova cells into him he but saw Cloud and Zack as failures so he just sealed both of them away in pods in the basement of shinra manor for 5 years. Then when they finally woke up Zack seemed okay but Cloud was exposed to mako for so long he was in a vegetable state for a while Zsck had to carry him all the way to Midgar but was then killed by shinra troops and Cloud finally came around but his memories were all mixed up, having a dickhead attitude and he was having PTSD about Sephiroth. Little did he know he had become a puppet of Jenova and his whole journey to pursue Sephiroth was a sham cause really he was being summoned by him to the nothern crater and to give him the black materia so he could summon meteor and that put the whole planet in danger.
Then back in Midgar Hojo was attempting to help Sephiroth by giving him more energy with the mako cannon not even caring what happens to Midgar or the planet and that was just CRAZY!!!
Then in FF7 Dirge of Cerberus Hojo was dead but he somehow got into Weiss's body ans attempted to use him to come back to life but Vincent stopped him and Omega.
See as you said it's always been HOJO who's been the main villain of FF7!
I’m going to beat the crap out of Hojo so badly in the Remake
Hojo tried to make a Mi'qote
Zzz I’ve always hated him! Anyway, he’s certainly one of the more realistic thematic villains to ever come out of Square Soft. Before disasters like Crisis Core it was conveyed that the whole SOLDIER/ Shinra business was basically imperialism on steroids, and what a better way to drive the point home when the man responsible for Sephiroth could be argued to be even more of a monster than he is.
Hojo is what happens when scientific curiosity isn't tempered by ethics.
Was there ever an explanation as to why he never tried to make another Sephiroth? Because it was kind of a successful experiment. He was wrong about Jenova being a Cetra, so Seph couldn't lead them to the promised land, but he was successful as a super soldier. He could have created whole legions of super soldiers, better than the best SOLDIERs.
Hojo and President Shinra are probably the two most evil ppl in the game. Sephiroth is just insane and powerful.
Although I suppose Genova could be the main villain.
Hojo tried to make a saber tooth rape an innocent girl....yikes
You Sephiroth fanboys are beyond help.
@@karthimaranman5433 right? Thx lol
Morally wrong not questionable acts
👍
Wait. In og ff7 he totally shoots Vincent, Professor Ghast, infused his own son with jenova, tried to have aeris raped by red xiii.... Yeah I'd say he was pretty evil of a villain.
i cannot staaand hojo
School against school 🏫 nation against nation like I said the world 🗺 and Earth 🌎 if we all just were intelligent 🤓 and worked together would be a great 👍🏾 fantastic place but now you Racist you got facist you Races you got mythology you got a lot right see these doctors 🥼 check what their prescripting the side effects people whom I grew up with went too school with hopefully we are excelling and prospering people whom I’ve known and met hopefully we are good and on a good healthy friendships partnership bias again Canada 🇨🇦 right don’t feel fortunate sometimes for anything especially in a Capitalism and capitalist... next too impossible too get the full story right cause on psp solider was different cloud strife right anyway great game I don’t think 🤔 I could do it anymore I have beat a lot of these games but again the young mind is better and more intellectual then the older mind and 🧠 again wish too be kept in tact understand what we live in society and civilization...noticed odd things Akeem just wants Currencies amen 🙏🏾