Climbing harnesses vs beal dynaloops - what breaks first?

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  • @HowNOT2
    @HowNOT2  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

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  • @paufiguerasduch6431
    @paufiguerasduch6431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Loved the "You've got bigger problems when you get to 22kN than your gear breaking". I always have so much fun watching you guys! Keep it up!

    • @HowNOT2
      @HowNOT2  3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It always feels good knowing we spent all day testing stuff that doesn't matter haha. Stay connected anyway you want and you'll be fine haha

    • @probablyinconsistent4756
      @probablyinconsistent4756 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very rough calculations say that if you are experiencing 22kN, you are probably decelerating at around 28Gs. For reference, fighter pilots pull around 9Gs maxed out.

  • @TheSilentStar
    @TheSilentStar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Please please please test the 'Beal Escaper', love the channel, love your work, love the slowmo rewind on those snaps guys, Thank you for keeping this up Ryan, Bobby, and the team, you guys ROCK (subscribed aaaaages ago, will bring more subscribers once the climbing groups and centres re open here in the UK) 'Beal Escaper' please test it out and break test it, keep up the great work :D

    • @HowNOT2
      @HowNOT2  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Ok! You got it

    • @TheSilentStar
      @TheSilentStar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HowNOT2 You've just made me realise that even though I spent a decade working on concerts with and for all the big names, it wasn't that I'm immune to fanboying, it's that I only seem to fanboy over people I respect and admire. That's you guys lol (and Lemmy of course 🤘)

  • @50StichesSteel
    @50StichesSteel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    We can actually use a good sliding X on 2 anchor points now, without tying knots and get the full width that a sliding X gives you..I picked up a few myself

    • @getahanddown
      @getahanddown 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Try normal 6, 8 or 9mm cord (6 only for 3 point pro) you can whip up almost any anchor easy as. The webalette is another thing in the same vein.

    • @SonnyKnutson
      @SonnyKnutson 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why wouldn't you be able to do that with a sling?
      Besides if you make a double sliding x and make knots closer to the bolts you still have a very big auto balancing area for the rope point while also getting the safety of the knots if a strand were to break for some reason.
      Double sliding x with knots still give around 50kn which is SUPER GOOD ENOUGH xD

  • @user-hy9gi4fi2t
    @user-hy9gi4fi2t 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Can you test different grabbing knots (prusik, etc). What kind of load do they hold before slipping?

    • @HowNOT2
      @HowNOT2  3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      That's a good easy one we can do during the next batch of tests

    • @GregSidberry
      @GregSidberry 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Would enjoy this one. Please test the standard 3 wrap prussik, vs 4 and 5 wrap klemhist

    • @somecsguy9824
      @somecsguy9824 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice one! Would like to see this too

    • @dragoscoco2173
      @dragoscoco2173 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I would add Blake's and Gripping sailor's hitch. While not usual climbing knots they do have uses as end of the line gripping knots.

    • @marchingfellow3847
      @marchingfellow3847 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There's an interesting TH-cam video out there that tests mechanicals vs prusiks between trees with much mechanical advantage. (Pulling truck involved) Result: Mechanical failed by shredding rope, prusik failed by SLIPPING ALONG ROPE with no APPARENT damage to rope.(!?)

  • @ChristianOudard
    @ChristianOudard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for everything you're doing; saving lives through good information.

  • @GregSidberry
    @GregSidberry 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Love the beal dynaloops. Metolius also makes dynamic pas, if you feel like testing. Surprised you didn't mention the dynaloops / dynamic slings - pas are rated to take multiple ff2 falls while reducing the impact on the climber?

  • @CasaDelMandar
    @CasaDelMandar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    wait.... you can install bolts on a TREE?? time to start setting routes at the park!

  • @FlatOutFE
    @FlatOutFE 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    "half the price per gram". 😁

    • @HowNOT2
      @HowNOT2  3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I thought about that on the fly. I'm very proud of that joke haha

  • @niske
    @niske 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really fucking like where this channel is going.

  • @jadronx
    @jadronx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love to see more tests of dynamic personal anchors.

  • @Govanification
    @Govanification 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've been reading about cams with extendable slings (specifically the Wild Country New Friends and the Aliens) and what loads cause the thumb loops to start to kink. Black Diamond has a QC lab article saying they saw their thumb loops get majorly kinked at only 3-4kN but other cams claim to fair better than that. I've taken a couple small falls on WC #1 friends with the thinner dyneema slings (can't remember if they were extended, but probably were) and the thumbloop shape got stretched slightly but I'd hardly call it kinked.

  • @NoName-OG1
    @NoName-OG1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I watch your videos all the time, for several years now, and thought that I was subscribed - because TH-cam pushes them to me. Although I thought I had subscribed before - I am now either for the first time, or again?

  • @brandontiev7663
    @brandontiev7663 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly I don’t believe that I haven’t been subbed. I feel like I’ve subbed to this channel multiple times.

  • @akinnon2000
    @akinnon2000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I dont climb yet but i still like this channel, probably for the same reason I like the hydrolic press channel, there is something satisfying watching stuff break. Good job making this interesting.

  • @SometimesClimbing
    @SometimesClimbing หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have one of these. instead of 120cm sling, you need 150cm dynaloop to tie an anchor, because the knot is so bulky ! Heavy, impractical, but I still love it. Have been keeping it in my pack to tie off trees, but it was on my harness when I started multipitch for that extra safety feeling 😂

  • @dragoscoco2173
    @dragoscoco2173 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Intersting. The bigger bend radius of the doubled up might play a big part in equalizing the forces by reducing friction with the shackles. Also the dyneema slings are slippery enough to not be affected by unequal forces.

  • @KevinDC5
    @KevinDC5 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    80% viewers not subs?!?!
    I have yet to ascend my first line and yet I found the energy to sub after my first view of the channel.
    Love to Lodi from Texas🤘🏼🤘🏼

  • @staleyexplores
    @staleyexplores 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like Bobby's advice.

  • @nathankenny7454
    @nathankenny7454 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Would love to see how this goes in a drop tower with repeated factor 2 falls

    • @CreatureOTNight
      @CreatureOTNight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bag full of rocks of a human being?

  • @miguelsalinasespinosa1829
    @miguelsalinasespinosa1829 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    How about a reverso break test? im curious about how pulling a person that lost the strength while climbing actually affects the reverso, specially when you belay 2 people and the load on each rope is different. thanks for the good content!

    • @joshuacilliers2723
      @joshuacilliers2723 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Similarly I'd be interested in how strong the DMM pivot's guide mode ring is.

    • @MattCooperKay
      @MattCooperKay 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joshuacilliers2723 Definitely interested in that. Guide mode has always unnerved me - though I know that's illogical given the forces involved.

    • @joshuacilliers2723
      @joshuacilliers2723 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MattCooperKay if you've got a device that supports it, it's well worth getting used to it, esp. for multipitch. That being said, learn and practice the lowering methods before you get in a situation where you have to lower a second :) learnt that the hard way

    • @HowNOT2
      @HowNOT2  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I believe it breaks the rope before the device so belay devices don't really break... just brake haha. But i can test that to see how much it reduces the rope's strength

    • @joshuacilliers2723
      @joshuacilliers2723 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HowNOT2 in terms of the DMM one, I was more curious about the actual pivot attachment.

  • @asteriskman
    @asteriskman 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think yall are truly awesome.

  • @SK-fo3hk
    @SK-fo3hk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great results. Drop test will be sweet on this stuff.
    Are you going to be building the drop tower with testing over an edge? Or are you considering a roller, anchor system, something else?

  • @martincrash1
    @martincrash1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    it can be interesting to have a "donation" of a crush dummy (from some car crash tester company) for the fall tower , llike mythbusters

    • @CreatureOTNight
      @CreatureOTNight 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mythbusters be like how do we make tv shows. Hownot..makes actual scientific data that people rely on.

  • @sobertillnoon
    @sobertillnoon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Every time I go back to long hair Bobby all I can think is "oh, you sweet summer child." I'm so glad you're okay.

  • @AkumuTaeru
    @AkumuTaeru 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It might be interesting to see if a dynaloop tested with the stitching isolated from the system would be stronger, since the stitching seemed to consistently be the point of failure.

  • @chrisjenkins2540
    @chrisjenkins2540 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks, looking forward to the drop tower.

    • @HowNOT2
      @HowNOT2  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea, I can't wait. It's just a waiting game now with Mr Welder. Nice last name ;)

  • @pauljepson1249
    @pauljepson1249 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you guys pull tested tricams in the wild yet? If not- whyyyyyyyy! Also, a test on some screamers would be great when you get that drop-tower.

  • @onsight2822
    @onsight2822 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant vid guys 👍

  • @Chitario
    @Chitario 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Strength of dyneema/ kevlar cords (5mm).
    For example when used to ascend a rope in emergencies using prusiks

  • @adupontbr
    @adupontbr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice!!! Thanks folks!

  • @CreatureOTNight
    @CreatureOTNight 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Companies be like after ten years dude youve not replace our expencive harness. Your ass is likely to fall to its death.

  • @HrvojeKucic
    @HrvojeKucic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Try to break rope/sling/binners with larger temperature difference, - 20 C to +30 C :)

    • @CreatureOTNight
      @CreatureOTNight 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some parts of Aus Stralia gets into the 40 - 50 oC. Not sure what the syptic tanks call that in 0F.

  • @allezvenga7617
    @allezvenga7617 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for your sharing

  • @AustraliaAikido
    @AustraliaAikido 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Ryan and Bobby, as you have started on the Beal what about doing the other (Petzl) personal anchors CONNECT Adjust and EVOLV Adjust. Although Petzl says the EVOLV is a positioning system not a PAS - what do you say?

  • @flexfeinschmecker3137
    @flexfeinschmecker3137 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video like every time thanks guys. Can you test what old cakes that have been rusted can still withstand? Old normal hooks, etc. Can I still trust them? Many thanks for your help.

  • @schneblymagee400
    @schneblymagee400 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So your channel has made me curious ... I often place a draw biner in my master point knot or a figure 8 knot that I am rope soloing or jugging on to make removing the knot easier. Does this affect the knot strength? And if knot(not)does it matter where in the knot i place the biner?

    • @samuelfindley3490
      @samuelfindley3490 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      huh, that's something I'd like to see as well...

  • @javierandresfajardo6552
    @javierandresfajardo6552 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well kids, this is how a rope guts looks like. Always love the content on this channel jajaja.

  • @felipe2fp
    @felipe2fp 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice test! I have a friend that for anchor he do 2x clover hitches and atach to two carabiners, and one is just for backup so if means that if he falls it will be a fall in just one single part of this loop (half strength). what do you think about it? I think this is the most common scenario for sport roupes because you will be attached to two points of failure;

  • @Daniel-zc7fc
    @Daniel-zc7fc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you test the different tie in knots to the harness? What is the strongest, Bowline, double bowline or the figure 8?

  • @sopaz
    @sopaz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting that the 4x sliding X failed 'low' (or lower than expected...) I use the same sliding X setup on multipitch sport belays with a Kevlar sling threaded through the rap rings (super fast and convenient to set up and take down). I wonder if one of these Dyna things would be a better option than a Kevlar sling for the stretchiness.

  • @pentachronic
    @pentachronic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you do a water knot vs a beer knot in a loop of 2" webbing breaking test ?

  • @trcusa782
    @trcusa782 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where are you guys located ?
    Would you break some stuff for me if I sent it to you ?

  • @Diclofenac_
    @Diclofenac_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd be super keen to see Purcel Prussiks tested with 6 or 7 mm polyamid cords!

  • @rockclimbinghacks9222
    @rockclimbinghacks9222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Not a bad idea for a product, but I'll probably never use one.

    • @HowNOT2
      @HowNOT2  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup. Diddo

  • @drewmaximus2692
    @drewmaximus2692 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any news on GGBY for 2021?

    • @HowNOT2
      @HowNOT2  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Probably happening. Check into their website around July August

    • @drewmaximus2692
      @drewmaximus2692 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HowNOT2 Awesome, thank you!

  • @craigrichards5472
    @craigrichards5472 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why do people not subscribe? I think u guys are great. 😜

  • @icejunki
    @icejunki 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just good stuff

  • @AskTheKid
    @AskTheKid 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol I thought for sure the harness would break higher 😅 😵‍💫

  • @valter.guerreiro
    @valter.guerreiro 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you ever tested wet ropes!?

  • @ivansanchezperez5602
    @ivansanchezperez5602 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, I wolud love to know much kn stress does hte Beal Dynaloop reduce in the anchor compared with an static system such as a dineema quad. I mean... Lets take the firts example of your video (th-cam.com/video/fZIj5HAV8xA/w-d-xo.html) and say with a dineema the anchor is 3.21 KN the belayer 1.08 KN and the climber 1.92 KN. Are the forces recuded by a lot or is it like nothing? Congrats for your amazing videos!

  • @Foderick
    @Foderick 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fine. I'll subscribe.

  • @ivansanchezperez5602
    @ivansanchezperez5602 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, I wolud love to know much kn stress does it reduce in the anchor compared with an static system such as a dineema quad. I mean... Lets take the firts example of your video (th-cam.com/video/fZIj5HAV8xA/w-d-xo.html) and say with a dineema the anchor is 3.21 KN the belayer 1.08 KN and the climber 1.92 KN. Are the forces recuded by a lot or is it like nothing? Congrats for your amazing videos!

  • @russell2952
    @russell2952 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you put 22kN on a harness with a person in it their pelvis would be destroyed.

  • @colincarver893
    @colincarver893 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Goes to show. Ignore the manfacturers expiry dates!! "If it aint worn, dont replace it", rr sumpthin.

  • @tjstephens3813
    @tjstephens3813 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Go bobby

  • @johntuttle9544
    @johntuttle9544 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please send me your twist leg bolts. Kthx! :P

  • @jaredrobinson3019
    @jaredrobinson3019 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’d like to second for a video on Purcell Prussics.

  • @codien-a2217
    @codien-a2217 ปีที่แล้ว

    at least wen yt doesn't cut it you have all that rope..jokes aside huggs

  • @16m49x3
    @16m49x3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    From watching a few of your videos, my impression is that while climbing you will never get more than 2 kn anywhere.
    These high kn values seems very overkill, could you maybe make a video about what situations you would need different kn ratings, and then compare it to the gear that best fit these requirement?
    Using the official ratings, and numbers you've gathered throughout all your testing.

    • @termivan
      @termivan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      you can easily get more than 6-7 kn on an anchor during a lead fall(i dont know where you got the 2kn number from, the beleyer will allmost never see more than 2kn but its still posible to get 3kn while beleying) and a knot in a sling can reduce the strenght by up to 60% or a sharp bend radius on rope can reduce the strenght of a dynamic rope by 50%. the age of slings or rope can also reduse the strenght down to 16 kn or even more if the rope is dirty. so you combine all of that you can experiance a 7kn lead fall on a sling with a knot that is 5+ years old (so 40% of 16 kn is 6.4kn) so you die. this is an extreme example but all the numbers are not made up but are sorced from youtube videos, scientfic articles and profesional literature(im a firefighter so there are a couple of really quality books available)
      edit: and its allways beter to have a safety ratio of at least 2/1 but 5/1 or even 10/1 if preferd

    • @termivan
      @termivan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@16m49x3 im sorry if i sounded condesending that apsolutly wasent my intention, i just wanted to point out that a 22kn rating isnt allways safe and if you bellive that you can never generate more than 2kn you could put yourself in some very dangerous situations. stay safe and knowledge is power where my two points to make.
      p.s. if you could point out what sounds condesending i would apreciate it and i could try and improve for the nex time

    • @16m49x3
      @16m49x3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@termivan
      I'm well aware of safety margins, and I'm well aware that things get worn out...
      Just not relevant to the topic.
      This video showed things breaking at 40kN
      If you want to know where I get 2kN from
      th-cam.com/video/m8z6adEqaOs/w-d-xo.html
      it's videos like these.

    • @joestevenson5568
      @joestevenson5568 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@termivan While you can see 7 on a lead fall I’m not sure I’d call it easily. Thats quite a spectacular fall with a harsh catch.

  • @rikvdmark
    @rikvdmark 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah, don’t think I’d be feeling happy when I experience 22Kn 😅

    • @CreatureOTNight
      @CreatureOTNight 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Depends on if 22kn sees you a Quadriplegic.

  • @CJski
    @CJski 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Joshua McElderly bahahahahahaha!

  • @sebastianloessl7982
    @sebastianloessl7982 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lol do you guys take donations for crappy old gear to break for fun😂

    • @HowNOT2
      @HowNOT2  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      depends. i try to do the most requested stuff to break test instead of the most convenient or free-ist gear. email me what you got and we'll see if it is a popular request ryan@slackline.com

    • @sebastianloessl7982
      @sebastianloessl7982 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HowNOT2 oh wow, didn't expect you to respond😂

  • @colinwatt00
    @colinwatt00 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoy the content of your videos but with your ‘overly-enthusiastic online presenter personality’ I sometimes struggle to understand if you’re being sarcastic or not. For example, do people actually do factor 2 falls onto their anchors all the time?

  • @jamesriddle8986
    @jamesriddle8986 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    im certified by miller honeywell in fall protection safety inspection and yeah you guys are sub par of that

  • @adventureswithfrodo2721
    @adventureswithfrodo2721 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are spoiled we use to tie our slings our od 1 inch tubular webbing.

  • @anthonybasile2560
    @anthonybasile2560 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude don't place hardware in trees to do pull test😬 yikes