@@darthgoetia_n7 true but I thought ragnos was in the netherworld of the force so he wasn’t able to continue to commune w the living? And I thought XoXaan was confined to being the gatekeeper of her holocron only
@@darthgoetia_n7 true as long as no one steals or moves her holocron out of her tomb I guess. Even then, her gatekeeper could teach them through the holocron id imagine
@@thescarlet9620that’s because the chosen one prophecy didn’t exist. It was basically Vader being a random Jedi who betrayed the Jedi. A lot of people don’t know that the Prequels came up with the Chosen One Prophecy and Midi-Clorians.
I really like Darth Krayt as a character, and how he serves a villain that links the prequels OT and new Jedi order/legacy eras. And his one Sith did conquer and rule the galaxy for 7 years. But I did think his rule of one was a step back and encouraged the same problems that Darth bane tried to avoid w the rule of 2
Honestly speaking though his Rule of One performed a lot better. Especially since it encouraged them to stop fucking fighting eachother for power all the time.
@@Nephalem2002 eh I always figured having a big Sith order like the one Sith would encourage the infighting bane tried to get rid of w the rule of two. But I guess most of the one Sith were loyal enough to Darth Krayt that it didn’t happen
In practice, siths organisation of ancient times were best: free competition of a number of lords. Both one and two are too vulnerable, and, if killed, all knowledge of dark side is lost. Yes, multitude creates infighting, but it is lesser problem.
This always bothered me. It only takes one hyperdrive-malfunction or some other event of statistical bad luck, and your lineage is over. Having a rule of 2 is super edgy, but hardly practical.
They were still powerful under Krayt,especially in number, but I agree. Krayts rule of one encouraged the same infighting and issues that Darth bane tried to avoid w the rule of two. It was a step back for the Sith imo
@@aamirrazak3467 The Rule of Two is stupid and impractical. It's a great subversion mechanism, but If falls short after the Sith actually took over, two guys all by themselves cannot rule a galaxy don't matter how powerful. The result is the Galactic Empire, a chaotic and non-meritocratic shithole in which nothing works, everybody is a backstabbing moron and nobody is happy. You cannot project power and authority efficiently without more Sith, and more Sith means infighting. In the end, Vitiate was right - fusing all souls of the galaxy into one seems to be the only effective form of governance in Star Wars. It's either that or fiding a way to turn the force itself into a hivemind (which is at least on paper what Sidious's Dark Empire SHOULD be, despite the fact he never elaborates on how he will acomplish that).
Neither did Pagueis' Master and Sidious. Sidious wanted to keep taking apprentices and killing them for all time, remaining the master forever. Krayt imbued most of his order with too much loyalty to him. they did not know how to function without him
@@bigbangrafa8435 bro sidious is a idiot because even when vader was cooked on mustafar he should've given him a better suit and teach him everything he knew like many sith before because sidiou established the rule of one to achieve immortality and become the finale sith but failed when his own apprentice killed him and turned back to the light, he should've kept the rule of two to ensure the everlasting power of the sith
main reason for fall of both sith and jedi was they never worked together. the jedi keeped on preeching about "balance", but non of them knew what that ment.
This is not a pathetic end. They conquered the jedi, waited for centuries and Luke skywalker prepared for them and they grew, he died decades before the sith, emerged and then his descendants lost. Krayt achieved his goal of “enlightening” cade, just not as a sith. The one sith return to hiding, along with Lord Nihl in command of their remnants.
morale of the story the siths are their true enemy top number one, and the jedis the second while the galaxy are the third enemy on their list. -And this is why the rule of 2 even if lacked in number it ensure the growing power of the siths and keep them in "power everlastting" until their time to rule the Galaxy come when it was the era of Darth Sidious and Darth Vader, making their goal to destroy both the republic and the jedi order of that time. -Sigh... well at least we know the Galaxy will ahve peace without the siths after these events in legends, until pass several millenias to reborn again then....
While I get that people love the whole "Rule of 2" idea. Namely because it leans into our concept that infighting is bad, and that working together is good. The Sith controlled about half of the galaxy for over 10,000 years while having the Sith Council. They hid in the shadows for 1,000 years, under the Rule of 2, and then failed to rule the galaxy for 30yrs. It would seem that the in fighting actually was not so bad, really. The Rule of 2 kept the Sith relegated to the shadows for almost its entire existence, and then left them with far too narrow of a power base once they stepped out of the shadows. People act as if it was only ever under the Rule of 2 that the Sith had gotten the Jedi onto the back foot, but this is, also, not true. The Jedi and Sith had nearly wiped each other out a few times before.
Nah, the Rule Oo Two was flawed as well. People already theorized how bane was mentally unstable And he was the SAME guy that ultimately destroyed the old Sith Order. The Old Sith Order had lasted for thousands of years. His new Order would have ended if Yoda had been retired. That little senile od fart did more to unknowingly help the Sith than work against it
Let's ignore the Yuzohng Vong for a moment... the fact is, the Sith idiology intentionally resembles fascism, and fascism by its very nature always needs an enemy to point the attention at and galvanize the forces against. It's why in the book 1985, the government is always at war with someone, and it can change from week to week. The specific enemy doesn't matter, so long as there IS an enemy. So my idea is this... what if a Sith lord of the old eras chose to take an exploratory vessel or fleet out to a new galaxy (using dark side powers to shorten the distance by ripping space itself) to establish a new sith order, bring old artifacts with them to ensure that they remember their past and where their power comes from, and their ancient enemy, and find new foes to conquer and vanquish. Whether they succeed or not is immaterial, the fact is now? The Sith from the galaxy far far away now know that there is a force of Sith out there that have not fallen to the Jedi, they may not have even fallen to in-fighting, and are gaining strength, a threat to them. They must then always have a foe to face, a reason to keep themselves from completely submitting to barbarism; perhaps that is a way to keep them from eating themselves long enough to gain a larger number of Darths and Dark Acolytes?
Do we mean with "End of the siht" just the ending of the particular continuity of a organisations base traditions/tenets, or do we mean dark-force sensitives that organise themself generaly? The former is archiveable if the galaxys government(s) would actually care for sufficiently purging them & their scrolls,artefacts,tombs etc, one has to wonder why the heck sith-worlds like korriban & all of it' ruins have not been completly bombed to the ground a long time ago lol. The later is basically a impossible feat as long as force sensitives keep being born, cuz some will be born or become selfish,power hungry, angry etc, & organise together in order to have better chances against common opponents to their power-grip lol.
When the Jedi think there safe is when the Sith will return either one of there order falling or someone who already fell to the dark side. The Sith will return as long as the Jedi remain
As long as there is the force, there will always be the Jedi and Sith, in one form another or another. People say we did not get a good end to star wars with the sequel trilogy, but I say we did with the end of Star Wars: Legacy saga in the EU. The forces of light prevail and the galaxy is at peace and life continues as well as the cycle of existence .
As cool as Krayt is, his rule of one kinda defeats the purpose of what it should be. Sidious's version was better minus not securing an apprentice for his final years
How do the Sith end when you just need one angry Jedi to start it up again? Sure maybe they call themselves that whipping bippy tippy sith now, but they are still Sith. Angry little sithers.
I wanna be a sith so bad, I want a hot red twilek with tattoos, a Saber staff, juyo mastery, a lava planet being strip mined by my conquered slaves, a fine pod racing track/casino/cantina on an outer rim world, a banking cartel that's my @&#^&, and a few brigades of the finest mandalorians in the galaxy... 😥
Darth Krayt > darth lame rule of poo, dumbest plot armor sith ever. "yea lets have only 2, then the master, a sith, somehow selflessly trains you to kill him for benefits he won't have, a sith btw, and uhh hopefully you don't get hit by a pod racer and die after cause then literally everything, all the planning is gone lol, really genius idea totally better to have two shut in losers hopefully pass something on then a whole empire lol." It didn't even end up making them more powerful, the old sith mop the floor with any bane loser sith, Krayt is actually based cause he embodies what sith and evil is, selfishness where it's all for the leader but still isn't dumb enough to not have followers, who could still be motivated to topple each other. Literally none of the rule of two makes sense, the whole craving and other having thing still exists in any master/apprentice relationship there's no need to have it only be two people.
Ya know, screw cannon or legends. I just want another good star wars game. Maybe a darth maul or boba fett game. Just wanna go on a power trip. Or maybe palpatines early days being evil. Or a plageuis game. But that stuff will never happen. Too niche
Rule of one, rule of two. Sith don't follow rules well and will never be wiped from the galaxy. They've just gone silent again. But one day the Sith will sneak behind the Jedi Council and slit their throats! The Sith are eternal! Their power and religion have crossed time and space to connect to this galaxy. But they're just stories 😂.
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Darth Wredd was probably not the last Sith as it only takes one disillusioned jedi to wander into a tomb…
Yes I’d imagine even after Darth wredd there were likely more one Sith in hiding or other future sith which would arise
@@aamirrazak3467 XoXaan, Kallig, and if they pull him from chaos again Ragnos are all still active Sith spirits who have knowledge to impart.
@@darthgoetia_n7 true but I thought ragnos was in the netherworld of the force so he wasn’t able to continue to commune w the living? And I thought XoXaan was confined to being the gatekeeper of her holocron only
@@aamirrazak3467 well for XoXaan the thing is is she can still teach living beings who enter her tomb. It’s why darth Krayt was a thing
@@darthgoetia_n7 true as long as no one steals or moves her holocron out of her tomb I guess. Even then, her gatekeeper could teach them through the holocron id imagine
Wow, they already had lore WAY after the sequel to Star Wars. Also, that's an interesting thumbnail.
The old lore made Vader’s sacrifice useless before it was cool.
@@thescarlet9620that’s because the chosen one prophecy didn’t exist. It was basically Vader being a random Jedi who betrayed the Jedi. A lot of people don’t know that the Prequels came up with the Chosen One Prophecy and Midi-Clorians.
I really like Darth Krayt as a character, and how he serves a villain that links the prequels OT and new Jedi order/legacy eras. And his one Sith did conquer and rule the galaxy for 7 years. But I did think his rule of one was a step back and encouraged the same problems that Darth bane tried to avoid w the rule of 2
Honestly speaking though his Rule of One performed a lot better. Especially since it encouraged them to stop fucking fighting eachother for power all the time.
@@Nephalem2002 eh I always figured having a big Sith order like the one Sith would encourage the infighting bane tried to get rid of w the rule of two. But I guess most of the one Sith were loyal enough to Darth Krayt that it didn’t happen
Hett was one of the greatest Jedi to!
@@virtualrealityfitness283 yes a deserved Jedi master. He was a great Jedi, like his father Sharad Hett before him
In practice, siths organisation of ancient times were best: free competition of a number of lords. Both one and two are too vulnerable, and, if killed, all knowledge of dark side is lost. Yes, multitude creates infighting, but it is lesser problem.
This always bothered me. It only takes one hyperdrive-malfunction or some other event of statistical bad luck, and your lineage is over.
Having a rule of 2 is super edgy, but hardly practical.
Please do The Lost Tribe of the Sith as soon as possible. I would love to see that video.
Darth Kryat wouldn't listen to Darth Bane. The sith were only a shadow of themselves at the very end. It really ended with Palpatine and Vader
They were still powerful under Krayt,especially in number, but I agree. Krayts rule of one encouraged the same infighting and issues that Darth bane tried to avoid w the rule of two. It was a step back for the Sith imo
@@aamirrazak3467 The Rule of Two is stupid and impractical. It's a great subversion mechanism, but If falls short after the Sith actually took over, two guys all by themselves cannot rule a galaxy don't matter how powerful. The result is the Galactic Empire, a chaotic and non-meritocratic shithole in which nothing works, everybody is a backstabbing moron and nobody is happy. You cannot project power and authority efficiently without more Sith, and more Sith means infighting.
In the end, Vitiate was right - fusing all souls of the galaxy into one seems to be the only effective form of governance in Star Wars. It's either that or fiding a way to turn the force itself into a hivemind (which is at least on paper what Sidious's Dark Empire SHOULD be, despite the fact he never elaborates on how he will acomplish that).
@@bigbangrafa8435Kreia's philosophy of 'fuck it, NO MAGIC' starting to look real attractive now, isn't it?
Neither did Pagueis' Master and Sidious. Sidious wanted to keep taking apprentices and killing them for all time, remaining the master forever. Krayt imbued most of his order with too much loyalty to him. they did not know how to function without him
@@bigbangrafa8435 bro sidious is a idiot because even when vader was cooked on mustafar he should've given him a better suit and teach him everything he knew like many sith before because sidiou established the rule of one to achieve immortality and become the finale sith but failed when his own apprentice killed him and turned back to the light, he should've kept the rule of two to ensure the everlasting power of the sith
In the end the true weakness of the siths is themselves.
They are their own worst enemies
Yeah if they would stop betraying each other during wars the galaxy would be theirs.
Imagine if the sith were just slightly different.
They are very hypocritical people
Like Biggie said:
"So I Siths on the b1tch....(you know I sith'd on her)" 😂😂😂
The Sith will return so long as their teachings, and their artifacts remain.
Or you know the jedi exist since one cannot exist without the other
They are like both sides of a coin.
One of the greatest rivalries, The Jedi and The Sith.
I'd like to think Talon survived to continue the Sith but with the end of the EU I guess we'll never know unfortunately.
The EU will return and Disney will fall. Fanfiction n et also.
Darth Talon found success on Galactic Only Fans after the fall of the sithy.
Probably had WAAAY more followers too. So many wanting to be her simp apprentices.
Whenever Jedi get ahold of the Sith, they always seem to turn it into a dark mirror of the Jedi.
main reason for fall of both sith and jedi was they never worked together. the jedi keeped on preeching about "balance", but non of them knew what that ment.
This is not a pathetic end. They conquered the jedi, waited for centuries and Luke skywalker prepared for them and they grew, he died decades before the sith, emerged and then his descendants lost. Krayt achieved his goal of “enlightening” cade, just not as a sith. The one sith return to hiding, along with Lord Nihl in command of their remnants.
Cade beat him not luke
@@christianharris724 ik
morale of the story the siths are their true enemy top number one, and the jedis the second while the galaxy are the third enemy on their list.
-And this is why the rule of 2 even if lacked in number it ensure the growing power of the siths and keep them in "power everlastting" until their time to rule the Galaxy come when it was the era of Darth Sidious and Darth Vader, making their goal to destroy both the republic and the jedi order of that time.
-Sigh... well at least we know the Galaxy will ahve peace without the siths after these events in legends, until pass several millenias to reborn again then....
Technically u can never get rid of Sith just like Jedi. Anyone who is capable of using the force can replace them.
First! Also really nice video. It's informative and well-made
Glad you liked it!
The deaths of Nihl, Talon, Maladi, Ramage and Wyyrlok IV were never confirmed. They just ended the EU, I wouldn’t take this claim too seriously.
You could always write something, it’s not like anything’s gonna come and retcon it now.
Like the Jedi, the Sith can rise from the ashes.
If I was trying to rebuild the Sith I would probably remake them in the same manner as Cobra Kai.
The "sith" may be done, but the dark side is always there, as are people that will choose to use it. So how done are they really?
Great video. I thought in the end the Sith would be lowered to shaking cans on street corners to raise funds.
In my opinion, the rule of two era Sith were the best iteration of the order.
Oh the good old days of the EU!!!
Miss all those books & comics. Specially the LEGACY series of comics...
Darth Krayt and Cade Skywalker should get a trilogy movie!
While I get that people love the whole "Rule of 2" idea. Namely because it leans into our concept that infighting is bad, and that working together is good. The Sith controlled about half of the galaxy for over 10,000 years while having the Sith Council. They hid in the shadows for 1,000 years, under the Rule of 2, and then failed to rule the galaxy for 30yrs.
It would seem that the in fighting actually was not so bad, really. The Rule of 2 kept the Sith relegated to the shadows for almost its entire existence, and then left them with far too narrow of a power base once they stepped out of the shadows. People act as if it was only ever under the Rule of 2 that the Sith had gotten the Jedi onto the back foot, but this is, also, not true. The Jedi and Sith had nearly wiped each other out a few times before.
Nah, the Rule Oo Two was flawed as well. People already theorized how bane was mentally unstable And he was the SAME guy that ultimately destroyed the old Sith Order. The Old Sith Order had lasted for thousands of years. His new Order would have ended if Yoda had been retired. That little senile od fart did more to unknowingly help the Sith than work against it
The Final end?Does he really mean that?
Well we don't know if Darth Wredd killed Darth Nihl
He definitely didn’t
@@ultraviolet540 exactly. Besides you can never truly kill a creed
Let's ignore the Yuzohng Vong for a moment... the fact is, the Sith idiology intentionally resembles fascism, and fascism by its very nature always needs an enemy to point the attention at and galvanize the forces against. It's why in the book 1985, the government is always at war with someone, and it can change from week to week. The specific enemy doesn't matter, so long as there IS an enemy.
So my idea is this... what if a Sith lord of the old eras chose to take an exploratory vessel or fleet out to a new galaxy (using dark side powers to shorten the distance by ripping space itself) to establish a new sith order, bring old artifacts with them to ensure that they remember their past and where their power comes from, and their ancient enemy, and find new foes to conquer and vanquish. Whether they succeed or not is immaterial, the fact is now? The Sith from the galaxy far far away now know that there is a force of Sith out there that have not fallen to the Jedi, they may not have even fallen to in-fighting, and are gaining strength, a threat to them. They must then always have a foe to face, a reason to keep themselves from completely submitting to barbarism; perhaps that is a way to keep them from eating themselves long enough to gain a larger number of Darths and Dark Acolytes?
Do we mean with "End of the siht" just the ending of the particular continuity of a organisations base traditions/tenets, or do we mean dark-force sensitives that organise themself generaly? The former is archiveable if the galaxys government(s) would actually care for sufficiently purging them & their scrolls,artefacts,tombs etc, one has to wonder why the heck sith-worlds like korriban & all of it' ruins have not been completly bombed to the ground a long time ago lol. The later is basically a impossible feat as long as force sensitives keep being born, cuz some will be born or become selfish,power hungry, angry etc, & organise together in order to have better chances against common opponents to their power-grip lol.
Was never really into the legacy era
When the Jedi think there safe is when the Sith will return either one of there order falling or someone who already fell to the dark side. The Sith will return as long as the Jedi remain
As long as there is the force, there will always be the Jedi and Sith, in one form another or another. People say we did not get a good end to star wars with the sequel trilogy, but I say we did with the end of Star Wars: Legacy saga in the EU. The forces of light prevail and the galaxy is at peace and life continues as well as the cycle of existence .
Why the Sith ended pathetically? Disney
As cool as Krayt is, his rule of one kinda defeats the purpose of what it should be. Sidious's version was better minus not securing an apprentice for his final years
How do the Sith end when you just need one angry Jedi to start it up again? Sure maybe they call themselves that whipping bippy tippy sith now, but they are still Sith. Angry little sithers.
There were better dark side paths available by then. The Sith teachings had lost relevance.
Iam Luke Skywalker
I wanna be a sith so bad, I want a hot red twilek with tattoos, a Saber staff, juyo mastery, a lava planet being strip mined by my conquered slaves, a fine pod racing track/casino/cantina on an outer rim world, a banking cartel that's my @&#^&, and a few brigades of the finest mandalorians in the galaxy...
😥
Darth Krayt > darth lame rule of poo, dumbest plot armor sith ever. "yea lets have only 2, then the master, a sith, somehow selflessly trains you to kill him for benefits he won't have, a sith btw, and uhh hopefully you don't get hit by a pod racer and die after cause then literally everything, all the planning is gone lol, really genius idea totally better to have two shut in losers hopefully pass something on then a whole empire lol." It didn't even end up making them more powerful, the old sith mop the floor with any bane loser sith, Krayt is actually based cause he embodies what sith and evil is, selfishness where it's all for the leader but still isn't dumb enough to not have followers, who could still be motivated to topple each other. Literally none of the rule of two makes sense, the whole craving and other having thing still exists in any master/apprentice relationship there's no need to have it only be two people.
Ya know, screw cannon or legends. I just want another good star wars game. Maybe a darth maul or boba fett game. Just wanna go on a power trip. Or maybe palpatines early days being evil. Or a plageuis game. But that stuff will never happen. Too niche
no disney is wrong , EU was wrong .. the sith ended with palps and vader. period . any thing else is fan fic taht diminishes the story lucas told.
Disney bought them.
Rule of one, rule of two. Sith don't follow rules well and will never be wiped from the galaxy. They've just gone silent again. But one day the Sith will sneak behind the Jedi Council and slit their throats! The Sith are eternal! Their power and religion have crossed time and space to connect to this galaxy. But they're just stories 😂.