REVIEW: The Proud Family 'Colourism' Episode
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 มี.ค. 2023
- Join me as I take a look at what all the fuss is about and discuss the so-called 'colourism' episode of The Proud Family: Louder and Prouder. Penny's friends are terrible people, but was the episode's messaging actually so bad?
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Instead of getting mad at the dude, they take it out on Zoey. Girl needs new friends.
For real 😭
Penny and Zoe just need to cut out the rest of their friend group. Seriosuly, I have no idea why either of them stay friends with the others. Like Penny is the nices, followed by Zoe who is, admittedly, a bit of a sheep.
Yep.
Heck I still don’t know what the guy even do? To me the guy had a preference since the other girl who is white was not his first pick but zoey was. There’s more to the reason why he picked zoey like maybe he likes that she wasn’t acting like a fangirl and all up in his face. And even if he did have a preference for white girls that’s no reason to label him a bad guy unless he actually did some crappy things like talk bad about all of zoey “friends”(I don’t even think they should be consider friends)
@@BrightWulphnah, ‘cause Penny ain’t even do shit to defend Zoe. She literally let her friends drag her for no damn reason instead of being a good person. That being said, next time Zoe drops her ass, I’ll let that one slide. Any others? Nope, they all have accountability.
Possible reasons that he chose Zoe over the other girls
1. She wasn't being creepy towards him like the other girls.
2. She treated him like a normal human and didn't give a damn about him being famous.
3. Her messy eating shows that she is comfortable being herself, and has a down-to-earth personality.
4. He likes gingers (honestly same).
5. He likes freckles.
6. He likes glasses.
7. He likes tall girls.
Yeah… those “possible reasons” don’t match with the girl he’s currently with🤦🏽♀️
Edit: I know ya’ll are triggered if you’re still responding to me over a comment from months ago; I won’t reply anymore, it’s not my fault you don’t have reading comprehension lol. I said what I said; get a life
@@ohplease6865 eh considering Zoey was the one who broke up with him, he could be using the blonde as a rebound
@@TheLalacream that or maybe he’s simply into girls that are white. This is a real issue. The writers had just written it SO poorly.
@@ohplease6865 Yeah, a celebrity who is in the news about taking someone to a dance? Use Star Power to get a new date Quick! Can't look like a loser alone at a dance. Dude could have no actual preferences and wants to have a specific image.
When Zoey asks about only dating white girls, he says yes because he sees conflict and wants it over with. Taking a dorky looking girl would say he doesn't care about looks. The other girl was probably still free on short notice.
Really he's likely just an asshole.
@@ohplease6865No proof of that. The show never properly establish this. We only heard a rumor and see him date 2 white girls. That’s not proof.
“This is why we girls have to stick together” Says Maya, the one who started it all. Plus there’s literally a guy in the group like girlll who wrote this episode 😭
They frequently refer to the whole group as 'girls' in this show and Michael just sits there and tunes it out 😭
@@Truffs_Stuff Just to clarify, Maya is the new braided oc who famously started that whole cringy slaves built America poetry skit?
@@Thomasmemoryscentral That's the one!
@@Thomasmemoryscentraldijoney wen she knows that maya is NOW the most hated character: chale me supero
Maya is so unintentionally misogynistic
I don’t like how they were mean to Zoey like how were she supposed to know
They were trash to Zoey
@@BrotherMag this is what some teenage girls do in high school the school girls would be mad at each other how about be mad at the boy bc it’s not the girls fault
I don't like how Zoey is Penny's only friend of the different race. All her other friends are her same race. In this show, are all the characters split into groups of people of the same race? 🤔 And it's almost always black vs white. Do other races matter!?
@@erikastone9183 actually Lecienica is Latina, so she’s a different race, but you got a point.
@@battybuddy maybe having a mix character I had a few classmates that were part black and part white that would had been interesting
"At the end of the day, this is why we girls need to stick together." - Maya
Maya is so full of it, she was the one that initiated the conflict by bringing up the rumor and did nothing to help resolve it.
She's the kind of person to start drama and then call everyone else out for being "toxic" ugh
She's the worst kind of Twitter activist basically
Exactly where is her apology to Zoey?
Maya character isn’t likable at all and the dynamic in the friend group is off
@@jayp2706 the dynamic of the group has always been like that
Shes literally LaCienega with a savior complex
I feel bad for Zoey in this episode, for her it wasn't about her skin color, it was about a boy showing interest in her; and the moment it happens her friends start hating on her, bad mouthing her behind her back, dissociates with her, and makes her feel like no guy would want to go out with her. I get why they are upset, but they didn't have to take it out on Zoey the way they did.
The worst part was the "Did any boy ever ask you out" line. Like, did the writers even watch the original show? Considering LaP tends to use clips from the original show from time to time, I would assume so, but really hard to tell. Because, there's been a couple of episodes where Zoey was seen with a pretty decent guy. The episode where the girls meet up with boys at the fair, for example. Each girl had a boy, INCLUDING Zoey. Not to mention, considering Zoey took part in the infamous "Slaves Built This Country" speech, you'd that would at least give her the benefit of the doubt. But no, let's side with the hearsay of a girl we've only known for a couple months, as opposed to our friend that we've known for years. Because that makes perfect sense. I like LaP, but this episode was ridiculous.
2023 and the friend group still fake asf even in a reboot. Truly amazing 😂
this episode just revealed an obvious fact about how they see zoe, they see zoe as someone that no one could be attracted to, it's an insult that even with the whole colorism situation i wouldn't forgive
@@aurygrandson5517 for real they’re terrible friends
@@sapphicwriter Mfs really need to stop regurgitating that opinion.
The fact the group completely ostracized Zoey because a good looking dude chose her over them because she was "white" makes you wonder how any of them friends to begin with
Honestly, considering how they tend to treat Penny at times, I don't know how she still hangs around them in the first place. LaCienega clearly hates Penny, and vice versa. Dijonay (who's supposed to be Penny's best friend) always abandons or throws Penny under the bus whenever she finds herself in a bad situation. And Zoey is always quick to jump on the "let's ditch Penny" bandwagon, because she doesn't want left out of what the other girls are doing. The house party episode from the original show for example. Penny should've dropped them YEARS ago.
Right??? How tf are they still friends when they straight up bully each other in almost every episode?
@@EdwardNewgate58 someone mentioned in another one of these reviews on TH-cam in the comments that Suga Moma said she considers Zoe as family but can’t remember if it’s original or the reboot where she speaks that.
Really it's Penny unable to break from childhood friends. Her and Dijonay were elementary school friends and LaCienica and Dijonay were close before Lassie moved again before moving back. Zoey was their newest friend when she moved to Penny's town
That's female friendship for you.
You know what’s also messed up? They’re ‘jealous’ even IF some of them are in a relationship.
Kareem who??
Penny is such a hoe, how you got a boyfriend but you simping over some random guy? Kareem is such a good dude and this is what Penny does to him.
Like crabs in a bucket. 🪣 🦀 🦀 🦀
So are there only two white girls in the school? Cause if that’s not the case the whole episode immediately falls apart because he specifically chose Zoey over any other white girl in school despite clearly being able to get anyone he wants
THANK YOU.
He OBVIOUSLY liked her for more reasons other than she was white! And since we don’t hear anything from him AFTER that, for all we know, Zoe was guilt tripped into lying about her friends being right about that to them. For all we know she just left him, and settled for the kid people were OKAY with her dating cause they didn’t find HIM attractive.
Ooooh I didn't think about that!
@@battybuddy It's as if the writers were saying "This is all that 'ugly' white girls can ever aspire to have: the literal bottom of the barrel."
I'm convinced that he liked Zoey for more reasons than just her skin colour. In the beginning of the episode, a white girl (the one he ends up with) yells that she loves him and he just blows a kiss and ignores her, like he did with all the other girls
@@rsc5721True. He obviously has a preference for white girls, and even admits to it. But that doesn’t mean it’s the only reason he chose Zoe.
So many things wrong with this episode
1. Penny and Dijonay practically telling their boyfriends to screw off when noah was around. That irked me to no end.
2. Zoe being the target for the group's harassment.
3. Maya shit stirring for no reason and without any actual evidence
4. Noah admitting he only went out with zoe cause she was white and zoe dumping him off screen. Somehow zoe is the one to apologize for this and not her shitty friends.
Another thing wrong is that Maya gets mad at Zoey for dating Noah just because they have different skin tones, yet has two biracial dads and danced with someone who has a different skin color. Hypocrite much?
@@zierragacha5089 Maya was always a massive hypocrite, yet she’s only called on her shit once by penny. I just find her incredibly insufferable to the point she makes dijonay and lacienaga look like saints.
We dont know anything about Noah either
Honestly, I really think they should've talked to Zoey about the situation, like the friends they're supposed to be. Or if the girls had confronted Noah about it and we heard it from the horse's mouth, it could've made the episode a bit more.tolerable
I'm a black person, and, when people have preferences, it's totally understandable and okay???
Maya starts drama in this episode and then makes a face the entire episode like she doesn't care. She left the princess party saying "I don't need this negativity in my life" when her entire character is negative.
Agreed, no wonder KG wasn't around much this season
Maya is that new oc right? Geez, a lot of these new ocs bring down legendary characters from the moment they're created
@@Thomasmemoryscentral Except KG. But also, they're ALL kind of OC's so like...
"My cousin mentioned this and therefore I'm taking it at face value and also I don't like drama coming from me instigating."
She really is the most toxic character on the show now.
Moral of the story.
Zoey needs better friends. Literally, she did nothing wrong and none of them deserve her.
Neither does Penny. As Bebe Rexha would say... 🎶F×ck Fake Friends! We don't need them. Only thing they're good for is leaving🎶
What I found weird about this episode is they never actually tell Zoey about this before the party. All Zoey knew was that her friends uninvited her from a party they’ve been doing for years just because they were jealous. It was also weird that we don’t get to know Noah besides what someone else said about him. Since he walked past a white girl to get to Zoey I thought the twist was that he picked Zoey because she wasn’t fawning over him like everyone else.
As far as we know, they
1) uninvited Zoe behind her back
2) over something that they didn’t tell her why, like you said
3) at a party at Pennys house who they didn’t even include in the damn VOTE.
There’s a LOT of layers of horrible in this, and sadly, I’ve been finding more as time goes on.
They are totally bullying Zoe. They are expecting her to know race preference before THEY even knew what it was. They are teenagers and are encountering these problems for the first time and then react like ‘obviously you should know about this’ when they found out not even an hour ago.
What someone else said their cousin said. Who we have no idea if they actually exist or not.
@@Olimar92I would say the cousins exist but we have zero context on how valid the rumor is, for all we know he only went out with 2 white girls when the cousin says “ he only dates white girls”. Essentially we get so little of this guy’s side of the story it’s hard to say whether or not the rumor is true
The glare Maya gave the boys at the dance when they were admitting that people have their preferences of who they want to date, was so dramatic. There are plenty of people who have preferences and openly admit it. People who want to date someone the same race or a specific race, body type, blonde, brunette, blue eyes, anything.
It’s sad there was no middle ground or talking. They went from being happy for Zoey to hating on her when Maya mentioned the race issue. And they didn’t learn anything and Zoey apologized when she didn’t need to. They were wrong.
I know 😭 Apart from her early appearance talking with the Gross Sisters I can't think of a plot she had a role in that she didn't make worse by being horrible and sensationalist.
The worst part is, as someone who was LITERALLY adopted by a biracial gay couple, you'd think she'd try a find a middle ground and at least reason with Zoey. I'd expect that behavior from Dijonay, because she has no decent role models. LaCienega, while having good parents, is also a spoiled brat and is very superficial, so no surprise from her actions. But, Maya is supposed to be Miss Activist and Equality, instead of giving Zoey the benefit of the doubt, she goes along with everyone else with treating like garbage. I wanted to like Maya, because I love Keke Palmer, but Maya is absolute trash. The fact that she had more screen time than KG is criminal. Although, I assume it's because A Boogie was too busy working on his new album.
@@EdwardNewgate58 One of Maya's first actions in the show was to free an animal that didn't want her help, and would have died in California real quick. Miss Activist, yes, but not equality.
@@EdwardNewgate58 Maya is a screen baby activist , she only cares about the moral high ground not the individuals the causes effect, honestly why penny hangs put with her after realizing how superficial Maya was , Idk but I wouldn't be superised if Maya is a self insert considering after her brother was introduced he has almost zero screen time
What made it so terrible is Maya heard it from a cousin/person/etc. So it was just a RUMOR at that point, but it was enough for them to jump on hating Zoey.
I’d say the biggest issue with this episode is that Zoe is kind of the villain in this. They don’t talk about the person actually doing so but target Zoe. But at the same time he passed someone else before Zoe. It could be him liking red heads, or the fact that she didn’t care that he was famous.
Right? Also even if it was a racial preference, they’ve shown time and time again that people have preferences for certain characteristics. Also, some people just like black or Hispanic girls, so there’s not really any difference. Her being targeted isn’t what friends would do. My friends thought I was being singled out because of my race with one of my exes, because I’m not traditionally girly/pretty. And he had only dated white chicks as far as they knew. So they were like “hey don’t do anything crazy, he might just be into you cause you’re white, just warning you.” He wasn’t, but the way they approached that made me feel cared about and not singled out in a harsh way. This episode really just showed the worst way a group could handle that.
And don’t forget, she wasn’t the only WHITE girl there. He blew a kiss to the one girl, and Zoeys not even “conventionally” beautiful, nore was she looking that flattering with food hanging around her mouth.
@@awsomeweirdo6068 thing is if your going for a person just because of their skin color thats not right. the episode shouldve spent less time demonizing zoey who did nothing wrong and actually spend time addressing the actual colorism issue... having a prefference is ok...but if your excluding out entire groups because they are black brown skinned etc begs the question why and what does it stem prom.... ppl nowadays miss use what the word preference actually means. liking both options but slightly favoring one option more...
we can also keep making up hypotheticals but the episode confirmed noah only got with zoey because she was white...the girl he blew a kiss too before ended up with him later... and reality is black dudes have gotten with white women because they where white...good or trash personality or not... heck christian toby obumseli... rappers nfl players etc post vids make tweets and all so lets not act like it doesnt happen
@@drewhaynes1874 if Noah only went out with Zoe cause she was white, then why didn’t he go out with the more conventionally attractive girl he blew the kiss to?
Zoe had food on her face and looked like a slob, and in fact didn’t think he was interested in her, so it really REALLY doesn’t suggest that he only went out with her cause she’s white, and we didn’t hear his side one iota, so we don’t even know what he said to Zoe to get her to believe that was the case. He was a macguffin and a bad one at that.
Obviously he had something OTHER then her being white, even if it’s as simple as her being the only person NOT fawning over him.
Also, you know if they REALLY wanted to address colorism on this show, they could have talked about how the lighter skinned black people like Trudy and Penny are sensible and everything and how darker skinned black people like Dijonay, Sugar Mama, and Oscar are either horrible people, the butt of jokes, or both.
I mean Noah himself is far lighter the Dijonay and pennys boyfriends, it would have been a perfect moment to disscuiss how lightskinned Black people are treated in comparison to darkskinned Black people
So, having lighter skin means your more sensible? That’s a mighty big stretch.
@@ShaftCommander That's really how it is in proud family though with the lighter skinned characters being written as more sensible than the darker.
@@jack_stone and you’re the only one who’s interpreting it in such a manner.
@@ShaftCommander It's not interpretation. It's fact that the lighter skinned characters are written as more sensible. I'm not even saying the writers did this on purpose mind you. But if they want to talk about colorism maybe they should have addressed that before throwing stones in a glass house.
This episode was horrifically sexist. The message behind it was that girls are responsible for the bad behavior (or just ALLEGED bad behavior) of the men around them. Zoe didn't seek out Noah's attention like her thirsty friends did. But somehow SHE'S at fault for him having a bias against brown girls!? And she deserves to be punished because of something she was completely unaware of!?
In other words, modern woke logic/morality at work.
@@1992holycrapsexism is rooted in traditional cultural values that is literally the opposite of woke, i dont understand the pojnt youre making here.
@@childeater319 you do realise that sexism goes both ways right?
It's not a modern thing. It's a historical thing. But yeah how they handled this was terrible.
@@dragonsman4733 It does and it's based on historical values not new concepts.
I wish the plot twist is that he is actually into tall girls, considering how crazy tall Zoey is compared to everyone else, that might be funny
Haha, yeah that'd be better!
A Fresh Prince reference?
Maya really had the audacity to start the problem, never find the solution, let the group fall apart and argue and then say “this is why we need to stick together” LIKE WHAT?? MAYA, YOU STARTED IT!!
Yeah! Seriously, who invite that bitch?🤦🏿♂️
I would’ve respected this episode if there rumor about Noah turned out to just be a rumor and Penny’s friends had to confront their horrible attitude & biases towards their alleged friend Zoey
Oooh yes!! It could've been a great episode about how *every* rumour is still just a rumour until proven. Even the ones that make you feel self-righteous for a minute.
The fact this also started based on a rumor when one of the most memorable parts of the original series for me was a song about not spreading rumors and how it tore groups apart is wild. I know in reality lessons aren't learned right away and it's a gradual journey to break toxic behavior, but I could only hear the rumor song when Maya kept saying "my cousin said..."
@@AllyGatorAnimatorEXACTLY, That’s what I’ve been saying ever since I saw this episode, it is literally just so toxic.
I'm going to defend Noah.
I've dated Black and Asian women who've admitted to me that they have a preference for white guys.....and I was happy to be their type. lol
In all seriousness there's nothing wrong with having a preference as long as your not treating people like objects. We can't control who we find attractive or fall in love with. I get the impression that Penny and her freinds felt entitled to Noah and thought he was was somehow obligated to like them. Even Micheal (who should know all about why you should respect others for having a dating preference)was upset without even clarifying if Noah likes guys.
Now I've had women who've rejected me because I wasn't there type and thats okay. They had every right to do that just like Noah had every right to reject those who weren't his type. No one is entitled be your romantic partner nor are you entitled to someone else. Thinking other wise is very toxic.
If they wanted to make Noah the bad guy they should've included a scene that shows he has problematic views on race and dating. Like maybe he was only dating Zoey because he thinks all white girls are dumb bimbos who are easier to manipulate, or he's just trying make his parents mad, or he doesn't date black girls because he assume they're all trashy people which shows he has internalize self hatred issues. If they did something like that it would've gotten us to be a lot more sympathetic to the gangs reaction. But we never confrim why Noah likes white girls. For all we all know he just thinks they're cute, which is fine. Also they never explain why he picked Zoey over all the white girls in the school. Even if he has a preference there was clearly a reason why he perferd her over the other white girl he was with at the end. Which only hinted at that preference wasn't problematic asbit was being built up to be.
Finally, my biggest problem with the episode is that all that drama was started by Maya spreading a rumor. (God I hate her). There was no proof that what Noah was doing anything problematic but Maya got judgmental and tells the gang something she never confrimed was true herself but was based on something her cousin said. The whole time she fans the flames in the group, assuming what she's spreading is true which lead to the gang almost breaking up and judging both Noah and Zoey. Then at the end Maya is the one who gives the speech that they all need to stick together, even though she almost broked up the group and never apologized. IMO, Maya was the real antagonist of this episode and not Noah.
I don’t get what Noah even did. He just picked girls that happen to be white that he found attractive. He wasn’t mean or rude he just pick those 2.
Thank you
@@YoshixandirThat is because he probably pick her just because he thought dark skin women were less beautiful. It was probably badly shown in the episode but I think that is why he picked her.
How is showing a preference for someone just because of their race is ok since race is not even a real thing? We are all the same it's weird that they see another human being as alien and don't want to date them because of that. It's like liking someone just because of the unreal and weird view of him that you have because of their ethnicity. That is weird and I am not toxic for thinking that way. How is ethnicity supposed to play a role in dating?
@@gastounmanar9814 Because people have different tastes and no one is entitled to demand someone to date them? If someone isn't into dark skin people, they don't have to date them. You can't just guilt trip people into dating you. Pushing this attitude will only cause more adversity. What's with incel mindset going on here?
I really disagree. Yes, these are kids, and kids misbehave. However, the parents should have told them off. If Noah didn’t ask them out, that’s his choice. But in response these girls bully their friend and spread a viscous rumor. Their parents should punish them for the way they behaved. But instead they treat the girls as if they were the ones being slighted.
And if anyone is being colorist, that’d be the Penny and Dijonay for rejecting their dark skinned boyfriends for a light skinned dude just because he’s famous.
This episode has no redeeming qualities. In fact I think whoever writes this show is an idiot who doesn’t know how to deal with social issues. There’s a bullying episode in the first season (ep 18 I think) in which Penny deals with the gross sisters by managing their money. Yes, stop bullying by working for your bullies.
The writer is either an idiot or is trolling the audience.
why would penny and dijonay be colorist? they didn’t leave their boyfriends because they were brown skinned, they left them because the guy was famous??
@@daylohun5368 And why would Noah be Colorist. He said in the interview he wants to date a normal girl. And to him, that's Zoey. I mean, three girls and Michael threw themselves at him. Maybe that to him is a turn off.
Once again, the show treats these girls as if they're right when they're clearly wrong.
I hated how they handled this topic and how they treated Zoey as if she was the villain. And now, Zoey will sadly think boys like her only cuz she's white. Noah just has a preference. I think if they were going to do an episode based off of colorism, they need to actually show Noah being a colorist. If Noah was a colorist, we would see him berate black girls (dark skinned women in particular) to justify why he likes white girls
Penny's fake friends are still fakes and they're still hypocrites.🤦🏿♂️
I think the episode should be about Laciengica (do not know how to spell her name) and Penny getting loving treatment from Noah while Dijonay, Maya, and Micheal are mistreated by him. There should be intervention by Penny's boyfriend because he is a couple of shades darker than her. Also, Laciengica and Penny's parents should be in the episode. They are both Latino and Black but different shades. This is what I think should have happened.
Why we calling racism colorism? anyway berating on its own isn't racist and racism isn't to one particular race IT'S GOTTA BE ON BASES OF BERATING BECAUSE THE SKIN COLOUR
@@Ali-gh6js YESSS
To me, this wasn’t about colorism or dating preferences, it was about a girl being bullied by her friends for getting the attention of a popular boy.
And then people wonder why I don’t like this show
can ppl stop calling this episode colorism it doesnt even address colorism just interracial dating😭😭
Yeah I don't know why it's known so widely as that
@@Truffs_Stuffit’s bigotry tho
@@Notactiveatalllllpeople are allowed to have preferences. Gays can’t like women lesbians can’t like men and some people can’t be attracted to certain race it’s just something that people can’t help. Either way there are still so many other people in the world just because that one person isn’t the one it’s not the end of the world. Some people only like really pretty or and some only date gurls they find unattractive which I’ve met a guy like that before that was his thing so I can’t judge him on what his thing is. Some people only like 2d people and well that’s their thing it can’t be helped.
Yeah. It’s about colorism but this was handled badly. They got mad at Zoe for the colorism of this dude. But they never showed his colorism. And the only confirmation we got was him randomly confessing to Zoe at the end. They acted like Zoe could never get a guy like that. The girls ignore their boyfriends and everything. Noah even said he just wants a regular girl and out of the group only Zoe wasn’t all head over heals about him being a celebrity so him liking her for that seemed like a possible reason. And then they go after Zoe
I wish that they would have at least had a scene of Zoey confronting Noah and talking to him, instead of that weird off screen confession. There's plenty of debt and a much better way this way this episode could've been written if they had spent the entire episode on the topic. But no, let's spend half the run time on Suga Mama shenanigans.
Penny and Dijonay showed colorism is that they were willing to dump their dark-skinned boyfriends because they found the lighter-skinned Noah more attractive.
I think its funny because this boy is clearly biracial. Like who is he *allowed* to date?
Honestly you can't get mad if a guy doesn't wanna f
The episode treating Zoe as being horrible for calling them jealous, when the show bends over backwards to show how jealous they are from the very start.
Totally agree. I think an episode about someone wanting to date lacienega only for her Spanish heritage would be a BIG episode. This episode made everyone look like a bitch to Zoe. The party was the first time she probably heard of race preference and they EXPECTED her to know right away. Totally get they are teenagers but they were unreasonable mean the whole time. Zoe also has has the worst time with dating so her wanting to stay with the guy, even for the wrong reasons, made sense.
Oh but they would never make an episode about someone only being attracted to Hispanic people society would never consider that to be a taboo they could even touch. Make it be the white people because whites are already on the chopping block. No, it's bullshit. The whole idea for that whole episode is bullshit.
I wish Zoe dropped them and got some new friends, but no, the main character group needs that “token white girl.”
"You're just jealous!"
"He only likes you because you're white!"
"Doesn't change the facts: he likes me and you're all crazy jealous!"
They're literally jealous and the whole race thing is such a thin veil smh
Truffs so why are you praising this episode, it is pure garbage. Penny and Zoey needs new friends. If those were my kids believe me, they wouldn’t be able to seat for a week after i am done with them. I don’t care what age you are or the reasoning, you don’t treat an innocent girl like that. Heaven help me if my parents saw me acting like that.
Maya: Noah was the jerk, us girls gotta stick together!
You started the WHOLE DAMN ISSUE for no reason at all!
Not only that, Noah did nothing other than have a preference. 🤦🏽
@@claymationgloves3662And so does Zoey.
@@johnsantos507 Exactly. But still. her friends suck ass.
Exactly.
Im less of a fan of The Proud Family now with the Louder and Prouder series than I was when the original series aired.
But I do like the advice Penny's mom gives to her. She doesn't really berate this guy for having a dating preference. She says that this guy isnt the one for her.
You touched on this briefly. Fact is, someone can choose not to date you for any reason. They dont owe you an explanation either.
Absolutely! The original series was equally Penny Abuse The Show, but this reboot has far more instances of straight obnoxious behaviour by the gang (except Zoey now, Zoey used to be just as nasty).
Trudy and Sugar Mama - the adults - are giving the best possible advice here, and I appreciate that. If only the kids listened just for a second 👀
Because you're absolutely right! Nobody ever owes you a reason why they're not romantically interested, and even if they're not interested for a reason that's politically weighty or that personally upsets you, oh well - they're not for you. Do with that what you will! Tell them to go forth and multiply or come to shrug it off, it's outside your control. Same goes in reverse: 'no' to someone is a 'no', not a Steven Crowder table banner 😭
Honestly, I kind of wonder why Sugar Mama didn’t say “Don’t you already HAVE a boyfriend?”
@@Truffs_Stuff I already doesn't like this cartoon from its original version. Because it seems to show if toxic friendship is good. At first I think Penny will learn if some of her friends was jerk, unpleasant, and not worthy to become a friend. But after several scene and even episodes she doesn't aware of that. She kinda dumb
Going on that, I hate how she blatantly ignores that she HAS a boyfriend
She didn’t berate him deliberately but she does say it shouldn’t be a issue to begin with. Glossing over the fact that sugar momma did call him out on the preference is kinda enabling that the way of thinking really is bad in its own right.
My issue was that Michael was being hypocritical about race and yet dressed up as Pocahontas💀✋🏽
Fr 💀 type of mf to be mad at white people wearing braids but eats fried chicken lol
True 😭 I was irked, he said he had "Powatan" ancestry but being "Powatan" wasn't a tribe, it was a confederacy MADE up of multiple tribes so if Michael didn't know that, he probably doesn't even have amerindian roots. BTW Pocahontas's tribe was Pamunkey/Mattaponi. She was half Pamunkey on her dad's side (who controlled the Powhatan Confederacy) and half Mattaponi on her mom's side, both tribes were under Powhatan Confederacy, but to erase that and call it just "Powhatan" tribe is inaccurate and what a lot of amerindians hate, "Pan-indigenous" .
@@AikoSilver EXACTLY like this episode really was like “I’m 2% native guys lemme celebrate”😭💀
"Our white friend is dating the handsome black guy that has preference to white girls, lets call her racist!" What a group of "good" friends.
they didn't say anything when she went to the dance with the "nerdy" black dude 🤦
@@SandWichPersonHuman Because the other guy was a low tier on her friends' eyes. They were angry that she got the popular black guy.
@@Zeromegas they are such fake friends omggg
I don’t know if I can agree.
Even if you use the argument that “there just kids.” Which kinda runs counter to the show portraying that the kids have grown. There are still some huge problems in it for me.
One being how everyone is dogpiling on Zoe for going out with a guy there saying is racist, with no proof at all, and acting like Zoe is the problem when when she called them jealous. Which she’s right, given how fast they were going to push there boyfriends aside for a new hot popular boy. Even going so far as to ice Zoe out of the friend group, and say some incredibly hurtful things to her. Yet Zoe has to apologize to them in the end, after everything they said, and after getting dumped. What’s worse is none of these “friends,” try to find out if the rumors are true or not, or directly confront the boy in question.
Maya, perhaps being the worst of the lot after Dejoney. Not only did Maya set off this powder keg by saying this unconfirmed rumor in the fist place. She pours gas on the fire by bringing it up again and again, and seemingly siding with the girls to freeze out Zoe. And tossing shade at the boys. Who say it’s not a problem. Then at the end she comes back with the “we girl’s gotta stick together,” line. Stick together I guess unless you’re dating someone who has a preference.
I completely agree with you that nobody owes you a explanation on who they want to date. But to me this episode handled the topic of Colorism poorly. Maybe if Noa wanted to add Zoe over her friends in an episode of his series because she’s white that would make the lesson better to digest. But by making it about dating. They ended up making it into a mess.
With Zoe bringing up the whole Myron thing, all I could think about was “they don’t care if Myron asks you out, because none of them are hot for him.”
I found out even the ANIMATORS didn’t like this one.
@@battybuddy The double standards are thick with this one but it is okay to throw shade at Zoey because she is white! /S This entire episode boils down to "you can date who you want unless we want him then you need to GTFO!" They are all just jealous and NEED to find a fault in their "friends" happiness... Maya was the worst offender here considering she is meant to be the "woke" perspective... Would have been better if they focused more on the guy and trying to prove that he "only dates white girls" to Zoey.
I literally fucking said out loud "Oh shut the fuck up Maya" when she said that 'girls sticking together' line. I haven't even watched the show but I already know from the clips that I've seen that she is a toxic bitch.
You just missed the entire point of this video.
I still think Maya hates Zoey and used this as a way to get rid of her.
It seemed like he went for the only girl not interested in him or his fame. At no point did they confirm this even when he did end up with another white girl at the end. We just hear "rumors" from an extremely jaded girl who is suppose to be the reboots "woke" perspective. Why are any of them friends? They don't seem to like each other and would rather destroy their "friends" happiness over a rumor... Mia really takes the cake with this one... She starts this feud within the group over colorism, does nothing but add fuel to the fire, and then only comes out at the end with her speech about how "girls should stick together"! Like where was all this when they were singling out their only white friend? Honestly, they all showed colorism in one way or another just because of the fact that they couldn't see past Zoey's skin color for any other reasons why he might like her beyond that... Plus, they seem to be just fine with Zoey ending up with another black man because none of them are crushing on Melvin...
They did confirm it at the end through zoe… other than that your points are valid. This was a poorly written episode to a real subject that should have been expanded on instead of rushed and axed
Theres nothing wrong with having a racial preference if you dont fetishize or have prejudice against other races. Attraction is not something we can control, its a preference like what colors and food we like and what not. Seriously, if you dont feel attracted to x race then dont force yourself to try because it will only hurt the other person. Date who you want to date as long as youre respectful to them, noone has a right to push you to try and be with someone you dont feel attraction to.
yk maybe the "theyre just kids" argument would work if not for the fact that uhm. this is DIRECTED towards minors, and they will come away thinking this conflict is ok because the one who was wronged is the one who had to apologise. not the ones who wronged her.
"they're just kids" only works as long as the resolution doesn't tell other kids that the mistreatment of penny was okay and good because they were right in the end.
Yeah that's definitely fair
The thing is, before I actually heard the plot of the episode, I heard it as "a teen celebrity heartthrob comes to school and dates Zoe which causes tension in the group as her friends discover his true nature." I went into the episode thinking it would be that he noticed Zoe is awkward and doesn't get as much attention as her 'prettier' friends and asked her out because he wanted someone lower status than him that he could easily control/mold into who he wanted. I thought it'd be an episode focusing on abusive teen relationships. It's not like the original show was afraid to tackle hard subjects. And then you could actually have scenes of the kids caring about each other and trying to help Zoe instead of constantly cutting each other down and being toxic.
So yeah them making it about race hit me like a truck
This whole thing is so dumb. First of all, anyone can have a dating preference of liking a certain hair, skin, height, etc, nothing wrong with that. Second, Zoey isn't the only white girl in existence, there must have been some other thing that drew the guy to her. They are awful friends for thinking she was only chosen because she was the first white girl he laid eyes on when he entered the room. And they never got punished, the show treated them like they were in the right. The show is giving horrible messages, especially if children are watching this.
Did you notice how in the end of the episode how he went for another girl who possessed fair skin?
I actually wanted Noah to actually confront Penny and the others. Letting them know that they dont know whay colorism is truly is. Along with defending Zoey, saying that just because he's dating a white girl doesn't mean he's bias and that he like Zoey for being Zoey
Even if you did have a bias, any better be a much more offensive reason than just the fact that he thinks white women are prettier. 🤦🏽
My main problem with the episode is that colorism conflict falls apart as soon as we acknowledge Zoey isn’t the only white girl at school (they even introduced a new one at the start).
Zoey deserved him, they were all jealous. I hated this episode.
That's legitimately all it is. They never ask the same question about Myron being infatuated with Zoey - because none of them want him.
I never liked Maya and this boosted my disdain for her
Dijonay for me. Mayas pissed me off in OTHER episodes.
Me neither, she's nasty 😕
She's just walking conflict.
She’s even more toxic than DiJonay. I didn’t even know that was possible.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 I still think Maya started this all on purpose. She knew the shallow friend group wouldn't question her, and Michal isn't going to support Zoey. He says as much when he's leaving the party.
What I hate the most too was how after they basically bullied Zoey, SHE was the one who had to apologize.
Therefore, Zoey isn’t the one to apologize but one of her so-called friends who picked on her for being white.
Ugh I think I can officially say that I hate Maya, she’s an absolute awful character and addition to the show.
When they announced they’d be adding a new girl to the friend group I was so excited because Penny’s friends annoyed me SO MUCH as kid! They were selfish, mean and treated Penny like crap. So I was hoping for a new girl that was kind and down-to-earth who wouldn’t be afraid to call the others out on their horrible actions. An ally for Penny who was an actual friend, (Zoey doesn’t count, she’s a sheep, she’s just follows what everyone else does and abandons Penny too).
But instead we got……… Maya. An annoying, obnoxious, ‘woke’ narcissist who forces her opinions on everybody and acts like she’s so much better than everyone else because of her said opinions. I so wish she would get properly called out for her actions in front of everyone but since she’s the ‘woke’ character it probably won’t happen.
They should’ve had it tbh. Possibly a Japanese character who’s a little bit of a tomboy because I feel like the group could use it.
I disagree!! Maya is real, just like The Proud Family was always real. I’m black, and I can tell the show has black hands all over it and that makes it even more relatable. Whether you like it or not, Maya exists. Zoey has always been the most unrealistic aspect of the show. This is definitely a scenario that I’ve seen in reality, and someone saying what Maya said happens all the time. The social dynamics in the show aren’t ideal, but that’s because they mirror reality. There are friend groups all over black schools like theirs. With friends that look a lot like enemies. Luckily there are lessons and wisdom coming from places of depth sprinkled about in the show. But again, it’s probably the most realistic black show I’ve seen period, and they’re cartoon characters, which says a lot.
@@elm1230Maya literally fanned the flames and made everything worse in this episode. Zoey didn’t do anything wrong, she was the Noah’s choice because she didn’t faun over him
@@lovelycloudyskies ok but it’s realistic lol In fact if they didn’t have a black girl point out what Maya did the show would just go into unbelievable territory and would be the first clue there were no black people in the writers room. Black women say things like Maya said literally all the time.
Honestly I started disliking her the first episode she was introduced bc of the reasons you mentioned
As someone with racial preferences, myself, I find it absurd that Disney is allowing this kind of messaging to be shown to children. I don't believe that "they're just kids" justifies the way they characters acting either. These kids are all around 14-16 years old, which is old enough to understand how racial preferences do not equal racism. I understood that concept completely when I was 14, so why can't they get it too? The reason is that the writers seem to be pushing an agenda that it's wrong to have racial preferences, so they're portraying it as objectively wrong in the show.
You do understand this happens in life right
@@funnydude308 Wdym?
How "racial preferences" work??? Like, that's so strange...
@@sthepcorms6747 I think it's rather that people are attracted to certain features like darker skin, tanned skin or ginger hair, dark hair, curly hair etc. So certain races might have more of those certain attributes.
But it will always be weird if certain people put certain races on a pedestal and only like them because of that. I mean there is a difference between fetishising someone and having a preference.
@@catgames703 Oh, I get it, but it's still a little weird to me to call "racial preferences", like, not all black persons have curly hair for example, saying "race preference" doesn't fit at all that description you gave me, but Idk, maybe that's just me
Zoey is clearly the group punching bag because she's white. She was made out to be the bad guy in every way and I'm not giving the show any slack because it's made it crystal clear that the problem is she's white and the show needed a conflict.
I say this because it's not only been about Zoey constantly having to defend herself because she's white and generally unattractive according to her friends and the show goes out of it's way to agree with this by having his only reason to date Zoey being that she was white and nothing else.
Not that she wasn't fawning over him and he appreciated that, not that he generally likes a tall nerdy girl, not that he liked how laid back she seem to be because the scene depicted her as an absolute slob (yes I noticed that as well), none of that. It didn't even show Zoey confronting him, it just showed Zoey coming back and apologizing for something that wasn't her fault and her getting defensive when she was being attacked for not only her race but also her appearance.
If you want to try and make an excuse for this then fine but I've watched the episode and it's just the girls hating on Zoey because she's an unattractive white woman and the celebrity chose her over all of them because that's what the plot needed to happen to make it work.
There was never any debate about a black woman only exclusively dating black men or vise versa to bring up a point because you just know they wouldn't have a problem with that and would be called out for it. That would have been a leaning moment that could have helped this episode but that obviously wasn't the point.
In the end if the point was to show what happens when someone asks you out for your race only and it shows everyone else getting upset over that then the show utterly face planted and dragged a few feet on the asphalt with this episode.
Even if he did ask her out because she's white (unlikely because who picks people based on race?), that's his problem not hers, so there was no excuse for them to turn on her like that.
My man, there are people that have that preference. To be honest, there's still nothing wrong. Oh no, Noah has a preference! 😱😱😡
it’s not unlikely, its actually pretty common for ppl to base their dating “preferences” around race
People having physical preferences for partners is NOT an issue as long as they treat EVERYONE with respect.
Bonus points if they stick with the definition of PREFERENCE, and treat it as such, there's a huge difference between preference and "it's a must".
Normal people don't have superficial "it's a must's" though.
Penny Proud and friends acting like it’s a big deal, it’s not, everyone has their attraction that’s like saying my Mexican dad, should not have married my white hispanic mom, that African American boy should be allowed to date white girls, doing this is a slap in the face to mlk Jr and all he fought for
@Rcampo42
As an urban born black man, slapping the face of MLK Jr.'s dream is what I've seen a portion of the black community do ever since I was at least 23(I'm 34.)
And yes it's weird, but I get that it's all manufactured propaganda to revert society back to how it was during MLK's day. And what's sadder is the way I see it, this is done so those in the top 1% won't have any competition from any rising working class.
Which is stupid...
@@DemonicRemption the blm riots is a major insult to mlk Jr memory too
Slap in the face? He wouldn’t give 2 F’s if there were problems with black boys being with white girls he was focused on equality. I am so tired of y’all weaponizing MLK when it’s convenient for you
@@Rcampo42 BLM isn’t even the subject I can see you like being an opportunist bringing up unrelatable topics to fit your agenda
@@ohplease6865 I fought against racism, but every thing else is not the way to do it
The kid looks like he's biracial so he must have got his preferences from his parents. i don't understand how Noah is a jerk, they're just mad that a famous rich kid paid no attention to them. I understand why he wasn't attracted to them lol
Exactly I'm kind of tired of people calling Noah the bad guy when he did nothing wrong to he didn't cheat he made his attention very clear and he didn't lie to anyone which I extremely respect in a high regard he has his own preference that is not racist or colorism or whatever word people are trying to trap somebody with now and yes this is coming from a liberal woke SJW Not everything has to be so black & white and didn't penny have a boyfriend to begin with so is sugar mama basically Telling her own granddaughter to cheat on her boyfriend that's what I'm getting
Am so glad you said this! Having racial preference.
You can be player in your race too. That all is this person was doing, being a player. Him liking white girls, isn't wrong in it self. He's just a player.
The opinions you talked about are so balanced, you talk from all the perspectives of everyone involved, another classic 🤩🤩
Aaaa thank you!!
This episode was never about color, it was jealousy all the way. Zoey gets a celebrity to ask her out, and everyone just needs an excuse. Why else would they never question if Maya even has a cousin? The only one who does is Penny, and everyone else just goes back to "Noah is dating her because of her skin color, and we hate her for it."
We all know Penny's friends are terrible people and are as shallow as a puddle on a hot day. Seriously, they just believe someone that they only recently met over a friend they've had for years. Maya starts this whole thing and her only purpose is to repeat her first statement. Nothing is ever done to prove her right and the whole group goes against Zoey.
Michal, well he should have just stayed silent and left. Would have been better than going "I don't have a stake in this, but I got to support the BIPOC Girls." Like did he really need to say he isn't helping Zoey because she's white? Yeah you don't have a horse in that race, but you could be more supportive when your only evidence comes from a girl who follows your group like lost puppy.
Any form of bigotry is bad, and this episode does not have that message. Zoey is treated as the villain for the choice of another, and all because the Plot Device that is Maya needs to have a reason to exist and cause problems. How often does she actually do a good thing, or not cause a problem? Her non-existent cousin causes this whole thing.
Zoey should have just been dropped from the show at this point, and likely before. The White Characters tend to be targeted a lot in this series, especially since they are so low in number.
As flawed as the reboot is
It does shine a light on toxic people that claim to be your close friends
Especially women’s friendship circles.
That is true, Penny's friend group has always been awful
I love how you bring up how racism isn't always the reason for preference. The majority of my partners have not been white even though I am, not due to hating white people, but do to growing up in a very diverse area.
The real issue with this episode is "colorism" is just an excuse. They were actually just jealous and were willing to accept the colorism thing as an excuse. If they really thought Noah was dating Zoey just for being white, they would have shown concern to her as a friend because they wouldn't want her getting hurt. Instead they treated her like a traitor (even though she didn't do anything any other girl in her place wouldn't have done) and they pretty much just dropped her. That's a sign of jealousy, not concern. If anything, the real colorism came from Penny and Dijonay willing to drop their darker-skinned boyfriends in favor of the lighter-skinned Noah.
a better way to illustrate colourism would be to have him openly diss brown to dark skinned girls through micro aggressions such as “Black girls are too loud for me” or “i just dont like ghetto ratchet girls” with the idea of who he is referring to. Meanwhile Zoey by dating him is basically saying that what he’s saying is okay, and reinforcing that Zoey’s conflict which is being a follower. She wants to be liked so bad at any costs. Everyone has a preference yes, but it stops being a preference when you have close minded views of darker skin tones or races. Plus colorists don’t really love those of lighter skin tones, they fetishize them.
I also don’t get why Zoey was mad at Penny? She was the only one defending her while trying to keep it neutral. This episode really sounded like a bunch of dudes who see colorism as “females beefing for no reason” wrote it
Dijonay and Penny both broke up with their boyfriends so they could got to the dance with a famous celebrity guilt free.
Does that make them shallow or hypocrites? Cuz clearly they were only really interested in the guy cuz he was rich and famous, which would raise their popularity.
So did they hate Zoey cuz they thought she was a bad person for dating him, or did they hate her for getting something they wanted that they thought that she didn't deserve?
I usually only say this cuz it typically happens to Penny but seeing as they do this kinda horrible stuff to each other, I'm just gonna say that they have a VERY toxic friend group.
Hypocrites. And ironically, Penny and DiJonay both have boyfriends that have darker skin than Noah and they neglect them for a boy they don’t know AND has lighter skin.
So not only are they massive hypocrites, they’re terrible girlfriends.
I feel like this episode could’ve worked if Noah had admitted to this behind Zoey’s back and the friends overheard him say it and then they told Zoey and she didn’t believe them then that would lead to the princess party scene
Can I just add more to the Colorism accusations towards the Proud Family is Noah is the only light skinned black male character we've seen so far outside of Peabo. (No Duke doesn't count. He's Hawaiian). So the only light skinned boy we've seen so far is used as political commentary while the show still has issues with dark skinned girls
What made the being scene even more uncomfortable was how their boyfriend we’re right in front of them when they were talking about wanting to get asked out to the dance 💃 by him.
What really rubs me the wrong way is if, hypothetically, this were a colorism episode where Penny was the girl asked out because "he only likes light-skinned girls," would the episode really have ended with Penny apologizing to her friends first after how they treated her?
I don't think so. I get the idea that they're kids and kids are messy, but I don't think that was the intent of the writers. I really think they thought this was a solid moral lesson on the issue of colorism.
This episode is really upsetting. It's okay for a person to be attracted to what they are attracted to! Some people date people with big butts, there are breast men and heavy chasers and whatever else. Just because a guy chooses to only date white people, it does not make him racist! Denying rights, treating people differently based on skin color and they types of things are being a racist. That guy only dating white girls is his choice! If he only dated black girls im sure Penny and her group would find nothing wrong with that! Every time an issue of race came up Zoey stood firm with her friends. She always helped them to fight for their rights. Then the first situation comes up where they *think* it is *posible* that Zoey is gaining something because she is white, the other friends turn on her before she could even explain herself! Zoey isn't even the only white girl in the school! He just happened to be the first girl that dude saw and that's why he asked her out (and that is what makes him an idiot) Then Zoey has to be the one to apologize!? Zoey didn't even know the dude's reasons for choosing her. She honestly thought he liked her because she was nice! She had every right to be mad that her friends made it into a race thing right away! Yes, it turns out they were right...but Zoey had no control over that. Zoey didn't choose her skin color and she didn't choose to be the object of the guy's attention. Zoey has nothing to be sorry for! She is always a good friend and look what they did to her the first time they could find fault in her! Is this what we are teaching little girls - black or white?
I'm glad to hear that you do not see racial preference as a bad thing. So many people mark it out as racism which it isn't. You're not saying that the race is lesser or above any other, only that you yourself prefers someone of a certain look. It is, your life, after all and you're not effecting others by who you want to be with.
Since everyone's already mentioned how badly they messed up this message, is it weird to anyone else that Michael has been regularly attending the princess parties for years when he was in the closet in the original series? It also suggests he's been REALLY close with Penny for years and the 4th member of the group before la cienega, when he was a secondary character at best
Also at least one picture had la Cienega as a little girl with them when Penny didn't meet her until middle school.
You know what, that's a really good catch! It's like they didn't watch the original and were just told by nervous white lib execs 'it's a black family, make them say black people things, that's all you need to know' 😬
@@Truffs_Stuff I don't know what happened to Michael's mom and I'm too lazy to look it up but my head canon is now that she was the one allowing Michael to be himself when he was young despite his dad. Then when she passed or otherwise left he had free reign to suppress Michael and it's why he's closeted in the og series
This episode screamed “ let’s put down the white girl for being white!” The proof is evident because Zoe did nothing wrong and yet the writers still blame her for everything 💀even stuff that’s not in her control or done by other people.
I am now being reminded of the stupid Steven Universe PSAs 💀💀💀
honestly, I think the biggest issue with Proud Family's writing is that they oversimplify overly complex issues.
For example, as everyone pointed out in this episode: none of the characters ever thought to verify Maya's claim about the boy being only interested in white girls (outside of Penny's singular statement that, for all intents and purposes, could've been cut from the episode and have NO change to the plot).
A similar issue, albeit far more politically charged, occurs in a later episode 'Juneteenth', where just as the town is about to celebrate the anniversary of its founder, Maya uncovers evidence that he was a slave owner. After the kids all learn of this, they immediately say that the statue of the founder has to go, with the episode ending with them even changing the towns' name to 'Emilyville' in honor of a slave that worked on the founders plantation.
Now, I don't have ANY problems with tackling the fact that a good chunk of America's historical figures were slave owners, but I do have an issue with how the show completely dropped how the founder was also a huge humanitarian (which is why he had the town named after him, & had a statue). The episode never elaborates what humanitarian projects he worked on!
I understand that this is, at the end of the day, a kids show, but I'm firmly of the opinion that if you're going to tackle these complex political subjects, then you need to acknowledge WHY they're complex.
Problems I have with the episode
1. Zoey gets treated horribly for dating a guy they all like due to his preferences and she is the one who apologizes. She never should have. It sends a bad message to kids.
2. The show acts like the girls were right and he only dated her for her skin color and none of her positive qualities. They're acting like he would date any white girl lol.
3. Zoey dumps him because he only dates white girls. Why should he want to date someone he's not attracted to? Why does that warrant breaking up? I mean if heterosexual refuses to date a homosexual, is that homophobic?
The show should have taught the message that people are attracted to different types of physical characteristics and there's nothing wrong with that. It sucks when someone isn't attracted to you for reasons you can't change, but that doesn't make them a bad person because we don't decide what we are drawn to. Zoey was bullied into thinking he was racist for finding her more attractive than her friends.
None of the cast would be complaining if the guy only liked black girls.
She shouldn’t have apologized, they should have.
They got colorism wrong in general. Colorism is within your own community, if it would have been a lightskin black girl, then its colorism. But needless to say this whole episode was some bs
And I don’t think dating/romantic relationships was the best aspect to use on how colorism effects us. When it comes to dating it’s just too personal and honestly trivial. Colorism is a real issue that effects peoples socio economic status, job/housing opportunities, and public perception. But this belittles the issue to “some boys won’t find you desirable enough to ask out, but those boys are stupid so just forget about em”.
This was more about racism than it was with colorism cause he would’ve go after penny being same skin tone instead of white girls. And they were basically making zoey feel bad for that
Im really glad you brought up the fact that ppl have preferences. I've heard and seen a lot of media, and ppl talk about how it's not ok to have preferences. As along as you're not a jerk about them then its fine to have preferences. So ty for bring up that fact, no clue why ppl can't accepted that as long as you're not an a-hole about having those preferences its fine that you have those preferences
Honestly, I think this episode would have worked better if Noah was just a popular kid at the school instead of a celebrity. The way it’s written, the kids have no evidence that Noah only dates white girls other than Maya saying, “My cousin said so”. Penny even states in the episode that they don’t know for sure just because of what Maya said, especially since the kid just moved to town, so how could the cousin know that about someone they just met?
If it was just another student, then Penny and the others would be able to find more evidence to see if the rumors were true (maybe ask some of his friends, or look through his social media for pictures of his old girlfriends). Then after showing Zoey the evidence, maybe she tries to justify or make excuses for Noah, because she doesn’t want to believe he only asked her out because she’s white. This would make the others getting mad at Zoey a lot more understandable.
However, I do agree with your point that they are teenagers, so it is realistic that they wouldn’t know how to properly react to something like this. It’s very likely this event brought up a lot of insecurities and doubts in the girls, and they misplaced their anger at Zoey instead of the guy who was the actual jerk, which was probably the writer’s intention with the apology at the end.
But at the same time, these kids do have a habit of backstabbing each other. (Look at LaCienega trying to steal Penny’s boyfriend). I also think maybe Penny’s parents could have played a bigger role at the party, maybe actually trying to mediate the argument and explain to Zoey what colorism is and why what Noah was wrong, and then have all the girls go to confront him.
The writers tackled this in such a shallow way, made all the friends besides penny look even worse than they already did treating Zoe so horribly, then without even showing the break up or anything more with the celeb kid, make them all turn out to be right and poor Zoe is in the wrong. Oh and she gets the stereotypical dorky guy in the end because of course can’t have someone like you for you, you have to go be with other people who are like you, granted the dork is black but still this episode was so poorly written
Edit: seeing that Sugar Mama Clip really reminds me that no matter how poorly written the show is, no one can mess up a great character like Sugar Mama
Knowing the kind of people behind this show, her ending-up with said dorky guy(whom *also* just-so-happened to be black) also just goes to show how shallow & hypocritical they & their ways of thinking truly are...
@@1992holycrap none of the OTHER girls is in love with not-Urkle, so they don’t CARE if she dates him.
@battybuddy There's that, too...
@@1992holycrap it’s kind of the big thing that really puts this into perspective, when you also take into account that Penny and Dijonay have boyfriends.
It’s like “stick to your own social tier”.
Doesn’t help that they ALSO have the “has any OTHER boy showed interest in you?” AND they end it with him being all “I like you for you.” in the end. Honestly, it would have been better in MY ending where the celebrity guy steps in and calls them out, and have him stay with her. It doesn’t even have to go on the rest of the series, just enough to matter.
Maya sturred up the hornets nest didnt even apologize and wanted to do the whole "we gotta stick together" bs? Nah thats kinda shaddy to me...
I'm gonna be honest. This was one of the worst episodes because of how toxic Penny's friends were to Zoey
I feel like having an attraction to a specific race isn’t racist? You can’t help what you’re attracted to, but you can help how you treat people.
I get what you mean, but attraction isn't something you can control (like you say) or owe anyone, unlike respect. Not being into someone doesn't mean you don't respect them or aren't treating them well
I’ve said this on another video and I’ll say it again.
I cannot believe Noah only likes white girls because we only see him for like a minute. He’s not even a character, he’s just there and chose Zoe, the only proof we have of him liking only white girls is being seen with another at the end of the episode.
To make things worse for poor zoe the creators basically kick her in the face putting her with Miron who has been said to be the typical, unattractive, nerd stereotype who’s been the butt of jokes. Basically saying no guy would like her for who she is or simply think she’s pretty. Even Lacieniga pokes at her looks, like why?
The message should have been the girls were wrong and just jealous, and like the proud family before that rumors aren’t good to spread. Would it be so wrong to haze zoe have an attractive bf? It happens more times irl than people think.
Or just let it be about zoe learning the truth about Noah. Not everyone bullying Zoe because of her looks. Just really poorly handled, zoe dressing up as Merida is fitting because she was so brave to stand up to her friends bullying.
Wait, so I’ve never seen this show(cuz I don’t have Disney Plus), but are you telling me they never actually confronted the boy they thought was colorist, and only confronted Zoey?
Nuts right?🤦🏽♀️
@@ohplease6865 What did they think that would accomplish targeting their *friend*???
@@frootsnacc6790ask the writers I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the writers are just a room full of (mostly) black men. This colorism issue is mostly targeted at POC, ESPECIALLY dark black, females because they’re affected by it the most
The writing is so messy for this episode. Why the episode chooses to paint Zoey as the villain when she’s done nothing wrong is a mistake. How exactly was she supposed to know this guy’s history when she just met him? And Penny and the gang don’t even fully confirm or investigate these rumors Maya hear about him. Penny, the girl who stalked her father in the middle of the night for two and a half hours on a skateboard with her friends to make sure her Dad isn’t cheating on her Mom doesn’t even investigate whether or not these rumors are true. Yes it is true at the end of the episode but how can you actively shun a girl you call your best friend over a rumor without checking it out? That just makes the entire friend group come across as awful and conceited and stupid.
Not to mention Penny and DiJonay are getting mad over a guy rejecting them when the two of them have boyfriends. Boyfriends who ironically have darker skin than the guy that asks Zoey out. So both Penny and DiJonay are doing exactly what they accuse Zoey and this guy of doing and it’s massively hypocritical.
So if the show actually wants to talk about colorism, it doesn’t work because they put Zoey as the villain when she hadn’t done anything wrong. All she did was accept an invitation from a cute guy who asked her out. Whereas the gang kept her in the dark, gaslit her, shunned her, uninvited her to their yearly party without telling her why. And they use their own jealousy masked behind colorism accusations that had no merit because they didn’t do investigating into the matter beforehand.
My boyfriend is a black man and he enjoys this show but I’ve never seen the OG but I saw a bit of this episode with him and I was high key pretty shocked that they were bulling the white girl and the guy who asked her out because he has preferences and basically ostracized her for liking him. And the fact that they make her dump him because he has a preference is absolutely astonishing because it’s very bias and discriminatory.
This episode just ruined so much. They literally bullied a girl because a popular boy liked her… They bullied their “FRIEND” because a boy they liked chose her. It was actually disgusting. Zoe didn’t need to apologized she deserved a big fat apology from everyone else???
Girl needs new friends. Her friends straight up said she's undesirable, and therefore, the only logical explanation is that he likes white girls (which isn't a problem). Even though it turns out to be true, it still doesn't make much sense because if Zoe is so "undesirable," surely he could pick a more "desirable" white girl. She's not the only white girl in the school and he's a celebrity therefore he could probably get any girl. What would have been better is that while he does like white girls, that's not the only reason he's dating her. He ends up dating her because she treats him like a person, and she's comfortable with herself. This would have given a good message that preferences are OK and that just because someone has a preference, that doesn't mean that's the only reason they're with you.
Penny doesn’t need to apologize she didn’t do anything
The only thing Penny and Zoe did wrong was having the others as friends.
@@battybuddy lol
Exactly that’s the problem. Penny was being a bystander watching her friends bully Zoey for something she had no control over
Yes she does. She was a bystander. She let her friend group shun Zoey. She didn’t encourage investigation into whether these rumors were true. She allowed her friend group to treat Zoey like crap and also treated her boyfriend like shit over this guy.
She may not have been the worst offender but she was still guilty.
the dude had a type... womp womp
Its racist
Jesus. Tbh I could’ve seen it being a red herring, like, the rumours could have been JUST rumours and he genuinely did like Zoey. The others all thought they were better than her bc they all think she’s ugly and they really did show it. It could’ve forced them to think about that. Been a message about treating your friends as equals.
He could’ve even stayed her boyfriend the rest of the season like the others had but they just took it the absolute worst route instead. It made me hate the whole crew. Esp Maya. They all seemed fine with it till she opened her damn mouth.
That would've been a really solid lesson: they all think they're better than her because they're more conventionally attractive, but Noah going after Zoey helps temper those egos!
The only way I can tolerate this new Proud Family is by seeing it as a show that calls out the toxicity and hypocrisy in dominantly black communities, because there's no way ADULTS genuinely thought this was a show for girls to look up to or whatever bull they advocated it as to get it aired on Disney.
Okay the problem with this isn't necessarily the concept of preference (which was still horribly executed and just SCREAMED ignorance but whatever), the issue is how much Zoey's "friends" are spilling out their frustrations about the fact THEY won't get a shot with him on HER. Also, the fact that they're doing this WITHOUT CONFIRMATION he only dates white girls, and literally only on a RUMOR from someone who DOESN'T EVEN APPEAR ON THE SHOW is SO IRRITATING. This episode could have talked about jealousy, or envy, or even dived deeper into the way the girls treat Zoey and really shone a light on their hypocrisy with her, but instead it reinforced the stereotype that SHE'S the problem, and SHE deserves to be the punching bag because she's WHITE (something she can't control) and therefore everyone's picking on her is okay. Like, as a POC, I can understand disliking a system where you feel like you're oppressed, but you CANNOT be angry at people who can't control who they are. Like, people who are aware and manipulate someone because of that, that's different, but considering this is a teen GIRL in a Disney tv show they were SO wrong for doing that to my girl 😭
Attraction is not a choice we can't help or control what or who we find attractive. I hate how they betray Noah as the badguy just for having a preference and Zoey just for being the object of his affection.
It would be one thing if Noah said something horrible about black girls, but he didn’t. He just said he only dated white girls. Personally, idc who dates who and what their preferences as long as it isn’t a child or an animal. These girls ostracized Zoey because she falls in his preference, and Zoey liked him back. She shouldn’t have to break up with him because of his preference. Who fucking cares.
This show shows how bitter some black women can be. Again, SOME, NOT ALL. I don’t see an issue with shows showing the jealousy and hatred people get when it comes to race.
Not to mention, Penny, Blondie, and some of those girls have boyfriends and are upset Noah asked out Zoey.
Lastly, Maya is insufferable (almost all of them are but Maya is the worse). She not implants those ideas into her friends’ head, but she doesn’t consider Zoey’s feelings. Hell, one of them insulted Zoey and implied she’s too ugly and unattractive to date. Maya is a race baiter. Plain and simple.
Overall, talking about racism and colorism isn’t the issue, but the way Modern Proud Family is doing is off and distasteful at best, and manipulative and racism at worse.
The pocahontas outfit makes this episode worse 💀
Everybody has preferences can't help it, whether it be ethnicity or personality. It really depends on how they treat each other, this Noah guy, wasn't being rude or felt above anyone. He just had the look saying "Sorry everybody, I just simply like Caucasian girls". But still, everyone wasn't was taking it out on HIM but Zoey, who didn't realise it??
Plus, are the mad that Noah has a preference OR is that he has a preference for white girls??
Would anyone made a fuss if his preference was Latina or Asian?
You know nobody would care if the preference went a certain way 😬
I Don’t understand where is the problem. People are atracted to different things, and race (for better or for worse) is one of those things. Having a racial preference doesn’t mean being racist unless you are attracted to a stereotyped idea of said race (like the thing of asian women being submissive, etc.)
They drew Noah in every possible way to display him as biracial. A boy's first love is his mother. If his mother was white, it would be perfectly natural for him to prefer girls that look like his mother. The colorist message was shown by Dijonay and Penny instantly dropping their darker boyfriends for the new biracial boy.
Back during the Cold War with the Soviet Union, I read an essay by a Russian artist who had defected from the USSR. She said that as an artist under Communism, all of her art was required to support the Communist message. She couldn't just paint a vase of flowers to be a beautiful vase of flowers...there would be a political officer who would evaluate whether the vase of flowers conveyed the proper Communist message. And her career, maybe her life, would depend on his judgment.
I still think the apology was too little too late. They were being pretty nasty to her for no good reason besides the fact that a conventionally attractive guy liked her. Yeah, in the end it turned out to be a race preference, but there’s other white girls as shown, so he must’ve seen something in Zoey, right? I’ve never seen this show, so maybe I’m missing something, but if I were Zoey that would be the end of our friendship.
I agree with all your points here, I feel like they were mad at Zoe for something that was completely out of her control, also as you said before Penny and D have boyfriends, which they completely ignored. Also I don't see anything wrong with having a preference per se, but not liking somebody as a person solely on their race is a completely different story. also would love to see your thoughts on the last episode of season two.
As a few other commenters have said, this really just felt like a 'toxic friendships' episode. The gang apologised (a pleasant surprise), but I'm also not convinced they learned anything.
Ooh, thank you! I'll take a sneaky look 👀
you're welcome. Also an interesting group of episodes for you to make a video about would be the season finale for season one and the first episode of season two, the two episodes go together.
@@Truffs_Stuff you're welcome. Also an interesting group of episodes for you to make a video about would be the season finale for season one and the first episode of season two, the two episodes go together.
The fact they cut Zoey from a tradition over some guy asking her out. In bird culture this is considered a dick move