I'm surprised that they decided to run trains with carriages that you can't see out of under any reasonable circumstance... At least the driver's wind-shield isn't covered up...
That's because they can't be cleaned up with paint-strippers, but instead need full repaints. There's a reason why the newer trains for Bucharest are made from stainless steel, makes it super easy to clean them from graffiti if they get painted.
@@RockstarRomania I even hear they can coat the new trains with substance that makes graffiti utterly IMPOSSIBLE!!! ...or just use stickers of the brandenberg gate like Berlin did, apoarently that prevents graffiti too
@@AG7-MTM Aluminum bodies still requires paint strippers and more time than corrugated stainless steel, which is why it's a requirement here. I remember Stadler bitching about it for the trains tender for the new metro line M5, tender won by Alstom in the end.
Because they will be scraped anyway. This are the last pieces of IVA old trains that will be out of work in couple years. The rest of new trains have no graffiti as they are protected by security companies when they rest in the depot. Same with stations. The old one have no protection what so ever 😂
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A crime!! New York had a similar issue but found a way to eliminate the graffiti. Many city metro systems store cars outside which gives the graffiti artists plenty of opportunity Thanks Tim😀😀💚💚
The same thing happened here, only difference is that non american art is a bit more advanced than pretty picture marvel movie dumb ‘murica yes sir, so we don’t just throw it away. And in our superior advanced intellectual might, we even allowed the carts to be display to the public and people can even look at it. But i understand, it’s a bit of too much thinking involved for america to organise such a feat of engineering, I truly feel for your lack of understanding of basic concepts! Remember to consume!
They are the most powerful trains. Now that Alstom doesn'r repair most of our trains, M4 (where they are) is the only line where the interval between trains is normal because these IVA trains are strong and need a repair rarely
@@grandchemist7004 yes, because new ones they need the signal. If there is some problem with it they don’t work. But IVA don’t need anything 😂 they are like tanks: they just roll on any condition 🤣
There is an urban legend that these trains were let to be sprayed in order to hide the rust and save costs with repainting. While they were a regular on line M3, there was no window painting and back in the day it was actually art. Newer trains have anti vandalism exterior and also enhanced security
And because they didn't want to deal with Bombardier and CAF trains painted and having to let them in service at the time. They knew this will discourage writers from painting them.
The graffiti on the outside seems different from that on the inside: The graffiti on the inside seems like numerous but scattered random scrawls which might or mgiht not contain words, whereas the graffiti on the outside seems systemic, with each car having a theme, so highly ordered that it almost seems that an institution (even if unofficial) was formed to coordinate the effort.
the inside contains handstyles. some are harder to read and that is understandable, as you have to have knowledge in the field of handstyling to make out the letter strcutre. the outside of the trains contains pieces, which work toghether because each piece has a pleasing color scheme, which is a a result of good knowledge in color theory. there are also what we call "crew pieces" there, which are pieces that a group of graffiti artists come toghether to put up
I live in Australia, Perth and we have just 100 thousand more people here and graffiti on trains here is very rare these days. Around 10 years ago it was starting to be something that was a little bit more common but that has been fixed mostly.
I think that in a few years time, these trains will be a thing of the past, once the new Alstom Metropolis trains will enter use on M5 (and probably M4), while (I think), Bombardier trains of the lines M1 and M3 would have a mid-life-refurbishment
They're completely separate. IVAs will continue to live on until M6 gets opened and M4 gets extended. Those two need to happen since nobody at Metrorex is in their right mind to order new trains for the M4's ancient signalling.
@Mr hallo same, i hope they will repaint them to the original form and run them on weekends or some special days. many capitals in europe run old metros
@@AndreiDragonulBGSI hoped this too, but metrorex don’t like history so they will dismantle them as soon as the new trains arrive. They wanted to do this since long time but they don’t have replacements for them yet 😂 It’s very stupid not to keep some of them as historical pieces!
@@adrianstere i really wonder when the new trains will arrive. alstom seems to not give a f*ck, they soul've delivered them last year in december or something like that
That's normal for Romania. These trains were produced at the Arad Vagoane Enterprise during communism. They are old and it is normal for something like this to happen to them.
Όχι! Κατηγορηματικά σας διαβεβαιώνω ότι τα τρένα της γραμμής "ένα" του Αττικό Μετρό (ΗΣΑΠ) και τα τρένα της Hellenic Train είναι τα πλέον μουτζουρωμένα με graffiti οχήματα παγκοσμίως και καλώ το Βιβλίο Guinness να ανακηρύξει επισήμως τον "νικητή"!
Think conditions on the Bucharest metro are appropriate given it may be the world's only mass transit train system launched by a president and first lady who ended up being executed by firing squad 10 years later? True historical fact.
Well, the conditions are good on other lines. The M4 just kinda has been left in the dust: low service, old trains, old signaling, but very modern stations Edit: service is actually not that bad in the latest years
I heard that these are the old trainsets that will be retired soon, so they don't bother to clean them anymore. The newer ones are apparently fine. Anyway it's too disgusting to see, no train should ever have to provide service under these circumstances. Tag vandals are the scum on Earth.
7:03 - I have another video from Bucharest that will showcase the newer trains which pretty much dominate the rolling stock deployed across the system. These ones are being phased out, which like you said, is the reason why they are not being cleaned anymore...
That was Metrorex's plan all along ever since the introduction of the new Bombardier trains in 2002. Especially since they didn't want the new Bombardier trains to be painted like their "siblings" in Stockholm, the C20.
No, they don’t! I watched the videos with them from Ceausescu inauguration and they look fine! Now they are terrible! This not art is destroying the public services!
Astra IVA trains are most common metro trains to make (illegally) a graffiti on them. I think, they should improve anti-graffiti security and ban the painting of trains by sprays.
Metrorex (the pain in the ass company that administer the metro) they said they will retire IVA anyway soon so there is no point on spending money to clean them and then pay the security company to watch (as they do for the new ones.) That’s the reason the new ones have no graffiti on them. 😂not because they been “spared” but more because they can’t do them.
I think they just decided to leave the trains as is because it was not worth clean up the graffiti. Metro trains in budapest in the 2000s and 90s also had a very bad graffiti problem.
But they even said that. This old ones IVA they will dismissed as soon as the new trains arrive. So it’s no point in spending money to clean them and also hire security to make sure they don’t paint them again (that’s the reason the new trains have no graffiti in them, they are supervised by a security company.) But if you ask me they should have been refurbished, cleaned and leave them on the old lines on some weekends for example. They are part of history after all. But this lazy company that administrate the metro they don’t want to spend any money to repair them. 😂 But if you want to see them how they was looking without graffiti just type on TH-cam “Ceausescu Metrou” and you will find the clips from the inauguration 😅 they actually been quite pretty. I like them more than new ones because they don’t broke so often while the new ones if there no signal for ex. they don’t work at all anymore 😂 modern pieces of crap!
those trains will never have tagging on them like the iva. the graffiti doesn't go dry on the bombardier and the caf trains and they can be simply washed away if someone does decide to tag them
No! Cause they can’t! The new ones are supervised by a special security company when the cars are resting in the depot. The IVA ones not. That’s the reason you have graffiti only on the old ones. But if you ask me that’s stupid. I like IVA trains they are part of history. I will clean them refurbish them and put them on weekends to run for example.
No chance would I get on a train where you couldn’t see out of any windows! Not only, claustrophobic but a massive security issue if it was only you and someone else in the carriage
Because they will retire them anyway. And they are not part of the security surveillance contract. So if you clean them today. Tomorrow they will be the same. Waste of time and money with this vandals. But also is Metrorex fault because they refuse to keep some of them and refurbish them and add them in same surveillance system. But Metrorex decided not to keep them. They plan to renew the hole stock of trains.
It's so bizarre to see all the comments here about the grafitti! To us romanians it's something that under communism would not have been allowed, so it's like an expression of freedom, modern art, so to speak! It's not very pretty, but it's kind of cool! Seeing these trains is very nostalgic for me, it reminds me of my childhood! There's only a few of these trains left, and they're gonna be retired eventually !
I do live in Bucharest and I also got the chance of riding one of these. They would've looked way better without any of the graffiti. You don't get to see them on every line. They are kind of rare in many parts of the city. Some of them truly are exagerated to the point where it's moving graffiti. Most of them also have grafitti on the interior. Although it seems like there are many of them, it's not that way. They are rare and only run on few lines.
IVA trains are now maybe 10% of the entire system of metro in Bucharest. The rest are new ones which they are clean because they are security supervised. The IVA old ones are not part of the deal as they will be dismantled. Also stations are fine. The terrible traffic only on this last old ones.
@@Al.katouss well often they will put it over important identification numbers and that can cause problems, you will often see patches over graffiti with numbers on them
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I'm surprised that they decided to run trains with carriages that you can't see out of under any reasonable circumstance...
At least the driver's wind-shield isn't covered up...
That's because they can't be cleaned up with paint-strippers, but instead need full repaints. There's a reason why the newer trains for Bucharest are made from stainless steel, makes it super easy to clean them from graffiti if they get painted.
@@RockstarRomania I even hear they can coat the new trains with substance that makes graffiti utterly IMPOSSIBLE!!! ...or just use stickers of the brandenberg gate like Berlin did, apoarently that prevents graffiti too
@@AG7-MTM Aluminum bodies still requires paint strippers and more time than corrugated stainless steel, which is why it's a requirement here. I remember Stadler bitching about it for the trains tender for the new metro line M5, tender won by Alstom in the end.
Because they will be scraped anyway. This are the last pieces of IVA old trains that will be out of work in couple years. The rest of new trains have no graffiti as they are protected by security companies when they rest in the depot. Same with stations. The old one have no protection what so ever 😂
“At least the windshield isn’t covered” lol you are truly a very smart person. Astonishingly so
Feels weird seeing clean and modern stations then have completely covered graffiti trains like it’s 70s and 80s NYC Subway
Some call it "art." I call it criminal vandalism. Interesting the stations are all quite clean.
when there are little graffs , it's art in my opinion , but in this video there are graffs so much , yea it's a crime
Are you mad?
I an romanian and I think these metros are cool
It's not CRIMINAL VANDALISM, this is art. What did you have said it's bullshit.
@@kensukefan47 He is.
It's incredible that entire cars in the rolling stock are completely tagged (Yes. tagged, not graffittied).
Bro, you really did it!!! Yooooo! First time ever in history that anyone has ever wrote that statement! You sir deserve a noble prize. Thank you, thank you, kind sir, truly and from the bottom of my heart, you solved world hunger. If nuclear scientists only knew the answer to perpetual energy is mentioning a spray painted word on a wall is a tag, and truly not a graff… oh boy would we be ascended to another dimension!
@@nfleitd whatev.
A crime!! New York had a similar issue but found a way to eliminate the graffiti.
Many city metro systems store cars outside which gives the graffiti artists plenty of opportunity
Thanks Tim😀😀💚💚
:D
The same thing happened here, only difference is that non american art is a bit more advanced than pretty picture marvel movie dumb ‘murica yes sir, so we don’t just throw it away. And in our superior advanced intellectual might, we even allowed the carts to be display to the public and people can even look at it. But i understand, it’s a bit of too much thinking involved for america to organise such a feat of engineering, I truly feel for your lack of understanding of basic concepts! Remember to consume!
Some nice pieces rolling, the inside looks like 1980s ny trains
They are the most powerful trains. Now that Alstom doesn'r repair most of our trains, M4 (where they are) is the only line where the interval between trains is normal because these IVA trains are strong and need a repair rarely
What an irony! A communist train made in Romania still better than the new technological crap 😂😂
@@adrianstere The new ones are very good too, but IVA is the best!
@@grandchemist7004 yes, because new ones they need the signal. If there is some problem with it they don’t work. But IVA don’t need anything 😂 they are like tanks: they just roll on any condition 🤣
There is an urban legend that these trains were let to be sprayed in order to hide the rust and save costs with repainting. While they were a regular on line M3, there was no window painting and back in the day it was actually art. Newer trains have anti vandalism exterior and also enhanced security
And because they didn't want to deal with Bombardier and CAF trains painted and having to let them in service at the time. They knew this will discourage writers from painting them.
That could explain why it is still there... locals don't seem to mind, that must be key instead of needy western "no graffiti" tourists
The graffiti on the outside seems different from that on the inside: The graffiti on the inside seems like numerous but scattered random scrawls which might or mgiht not contain words, whereas the graffiti on the outside seems systemic, with each car having a theme, so highly ordered that it almost seems that an institution (even if unofficial) was formed to coordinate the effort.
Graffers collaborate
If that is true, then graffiti may become proper train art: it would be a paradigm shift
the inside contains handstyles. some are harder to read and that is understandable, as you have to have knowledge in the field of handstyling to make out the letter strcutre. the outside of the trains contains pieces, which work toghether because each piece has a pleasing color scheme, which is a a result of good knowledge in color theory. there are also what we call "crew pieces" there, which are pieces that a group of graffiti artists come toghether to put up
Roma metros are even worst or Athens. This is not art is just vandalism.
I live in Australia, Perth and we have just 100 thousand more people here and graffiti on trains here is very rare these days. Around 10 years ago it was starting to be something that was a little bit more common but that has been fixed mostly.
"Atenție ! Se închid ușile !" 😊
If I had one leu for each time I've heard that, I'd be rich! 😀😎💙💛❤️
I think that in a few years time, these trains will be a thing of the past, once the new Alstom Metropolis trains will enter use on M5 (and probably M4), while (I think), Bombardier trains of the lines M1 and M3 would have a mid-life-refurbishment
They're completely separate. IVAs will continue to live on until M6 gets opened and M4 gets extended. Those two need to happen since nobody at Metrorex is in their right mind to order new trains for the M4's ancient signalling.
@Mr hallo same, i hope they will repaint them to the original form and run them on weekends or some special days. many capitals in europe run old metros
@@AndreiDragonulBGSI hoped this too, but metrorex don’t like history so they will dismantle them as soon as the new trains arrive. They wanted to do this since long time but they don’t have replacements for them yet 😂 It’s very stupid not to keep some of them as historical pieces!
@@adrianstere i really wonder when the new trains will arrive. alstom seems to not give a f*ck, they soul've delivered them last year in december or something like that
@@AndreiDragonulBGS I know! 😂🤦♂️
They could create a lot of jobs by hiring professionally trained graffiti cleaner to clean the trains.
It looks like the New York subway back in the 70’s
that's how old those trains are.
That's normal for Romania. These trains were produced at the Arad Vagoane Enterprise during communism. They are old and it is normal for something like this to happen to them.
Why is this normal?! This is far from normal! This is vandalism!
Some of the outside grafitti looks pretty cool
Beautiful artwork ❤️
I think they look SUPER COOL.
the same in Athens Greece not only the trains the entire country bus stations , houses , station names and more
Vans aswell
Cool Metro video
Timosha21
Όχι! Κατηγορηματικά σας διαβεβαιώνω ότι τα τρένα της γραμμής "ένα" του Αττικό Μετρό (ΗΣΑΠ) και τα τρένα της Hellenic Train είναι τα πλέον μουτζουρωμένα με graffiti οχήματα παγκοσμίως και καλώ το Βιβλίο Guinness να ανακηρύξει επισήμως τον "νικητή"!
Its like NYC in the 70's all over again
Think conditions on the Bucharest metro are appropriate given it may be the world's only mass transit train system launched by a president and first lady who ended up being executed by firing squad 10 years later? True historical fact.
Well, the conditions are good on other lines. The M4 just kinda has been left in the dust: low service, old trains, old signaling, but very modern stations
Edit: service is actually not that bad in the latest years
Man, these were used for some IVA trains. These are like 45-46 years old. The oldest ones. The newer models are like 30 years old.
I heard that these are the old trainsets that will be retired soon, so they don't bother to clean them anymore. The newer ones are apparently fine.
Anyway it's too disgusting to see, no train should ever have to provide service under these circumstances. Tag vandals are the scum on Earth.
7:03 - I have another video from Bucharest that will showcase the newer trains which pretty much dominate the rolling stock deployed across the system. These ones are being phased out, which like you said, is the reason why they are not being cleaned anymore...
They don't show respect in Romania for anything.
That was Metrorex's plan all along ever since the introduction of the new Bombardier trains in 2002. Especially since they didn't want the new Bombardier trains to be painted like their "siblings" in Stockholm, the C20.
@@RockstarRomania weird, I have never seen a metro train vandalised in Stockholm
@@osasunaitor Depends, I saw lots of graffiti videos from there.
trust me they look better with grafity
No, they don’t! I watched the videos with them from Ceausescu inauguration and they look fine! Now they are terrible! This not art is destroying the public services!
@@adrianstere lmao
Astra IVA trains are most common metro trains to make (illegally) a graffiti on them. I think, they should improve anti-graffiti security and ban the painting of trains by sprays.
Those are reserved for the newer Bombardier and CAF trains.
Metrorex(the metro administrator) doesnt even give a fuck anymore about those, they only care about newer trains now.
Metrorex (the pain in the ass company that administer the metro) they said they will retire IVA anyway soon so there is no point on spending money to clean them and then pay the security company to watch (as they do for the new ones.) That’s the reason the new ones have no graffiti on them. 😂not because they been “spared” but more because they can’t do them.
its so cool
I think they just decided to leave the trains as is because it was not worth clean up the graffiti. Metro trains in budapest in the 2000s and 90s also had a very bad graffiti problem.
And since early 2000s yes Budapest has made a HUGE gap with his Metro system... 👍
But they even said that. This old ones IVA they will dismissed as soon as the new trains arrive. So it’s no point in spending money to clean them and also hire security to make sure they don’t paint them again (that’s the reason the new trains have no graffiti in them, they are supervised by a security company.)
But if you ask me they should have been refurbished, cleaned and leave them on the old lines on some weekends for example. They are part of history after all. But this lazy company that administrate the metro they don’t want to spend any money to repair them. 😂 But if you want to see them how they was looking without graffiti just type on TH-cam “Ceausescu Metrou” and you will find the clips from the inauguration 😅 they actually been quite pretty. I like them more than new ones because they don’t broke so often while the new ones if there no signal for ex. they don’t work at all anymore 😂 modern pieces of crap!
Looks great
colorful train But in my country, it is prohibited by law.
They need a new place to store there coaches it seems
Do any stations have commissioned art?
not, none
yes, a couple of mosaics at Stefan cel Mare and at Piata Romana. I'm not so sure about others
Thanks Herman for all the support!!
Stations and new trains are supervised by security. Old IVA trains not. That’s the reason.
It's similar like trains of Rome metro.
Rock n roll trainssss
i'm wondering what will they do after these trains are decomissioned, they're gonna start tagging line 1 & 3 trains?
those trains will never have tagging on them like the iva.
the graffiti doesn't go dry on the bombardier and the caf trains and they can be simply washed away if someone does decide to tag them
@@tanys_77 Exactly. And also they hate the new trains.
No! Cause they can’t! The new ones are supervised by a special security company when the cars are resting in the depot. The IVA ones not. That’s the reason you have graffiti only on the old ones. But if you ask me that’s stupid. I like IVA trains they are part of history. I will clean them refurbish them and put them on weekends to run for example.
Which line is this?
No chance would I get on a train where you couldn’t see out of any windows! Not only, claustrophobic but a massive security issue if it was only you and someone else in the carriage
Shut up geek
We are not sensitive like you amerikkkans
will be trains? CFR
Wow, never saw graffiti during Nicolae Ceausescu's time. I wonder how the graffiti ARTISTS (JOKE) would be treated in Singapore. What a disgrace!!
The black car
I thought you were exaggerating with your title but then I watched the video and ... wow, you were not exaggerating at all. 😮
Why in Bucharest they don’t clean the outside of the old carriages?
Because it requires an full repaint, it can't be cleaned up just with paint-strippers.
Because they will retire them anyway. And they are not part of the security surveillance contract. So if you clean them today. Tomorrow they will be the same. Waste of time and money with this vandals. But also is Metrorex fault because they refuse to keep some of them and refurbish them and add them in same surveillance system. But Metrorex decided not to keep them. They plan to renew the hole stock of trains.
asa trebuie .
It's so bizarre to see all the comments here about the grafitti! To us romanians it's something that under communism would not have been allowed, so it's like an expression of freedom, modern art, so to speak! It's not very pretty, but it's kind of cool! Seeing these trains is very nostalgic for me, it reminds me of my childhood! There's only a few of these trains left, and they're gonna be retired eventually !
Well if you guys don’t have a problem with it then it should be all good
athens' metro line 1 has a severe problem with graffiti too, 99% of all the trains are graffitied
Same... In rome metro
I do live in Bucharest and I also got the chance of riding one of these. They would've looked way better without any of the graffiti. You don't get to see them on every line. They are kind of rare in many parts of the city. Some of them truly are exagerated to the point where it's moving graffiti. Most of them also have grafitti on the interior. Although it seems like there are many of them, it's not that way. They are rare and only run on few lines.
This year i was able to find them only on the Străulești line , to me these are quite cool but they are also very rare
😍
Poor trains
all of these Astra IVA's are graffitied
And I thought that Roma has the ugliest Metro stock of Europe... 😂😂
IVA trains are now maybe 10% of the entire system of metro in Bucharest. The rest are new ones which they are clean because they are security supervised. The IVA old ones are not part of the deal as they will be dismantled. Also stations are fine. The terrible traffic only on this last old ones.
dirt, stench, poverty The nastiest subway in Europe
Does Romania care about these trains?
No,, this is art....
Down in ohio swag likw ohio
Terrible vandalism 😔
Жуть
I like it when the vandals accidentally get run over
this is a totally normal thing to think and then type, definitely don't seek help or anything
Karen
@@thomeiser8933 I'm being sarcastic, it's fucking annoying when people vandalize stuff, especially trains
@@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory i dont find it annoying if its not on the windows in fact it makes the train look more unique
@@Al.katouss well often they will put it over important identification numbers and that can cause problems, you will often see patches over graffiti with numbers on them
Horrible!