As an ex-Sea Org Memeber who was born and raised in the church, this interview was absolutely captivating from beginning to end. I grew up watching this man speak for Scientology at tons of events and he was one of the most respected figures when I was growing up in the "church". To see this complete 180 is just mind blowing and all the stuff he is saying I know is 1000% true and that is just so mind blowing too. Cant believe my life before I left was and for my friends lives who are still in, is just this massive lie and crazy prison of belief. Really crazy. Just will never cease to amaze me how so many strong, smart people can be so tricked and conned in this way. Never think you are somehow above this or that this or something like it could never happen to you. Thank you Mike.
I am so glad you were able to route out or blow! I’ve studied Scientology a lot bc I wanted to initially understand why celebrities were members. I was floored with ex member accounts! Sending you love ❤️
@@MissBorgeous Celebrity are just people; Travota was going up the stairs at CC and I noticed him; Ready to respond I just wanted tp be sure then moved on Mr Locke has seen greater than what will be seen at a Class-4 but never go near Valley Org Bat Wing Vampires snatch innocent in the parking lot and never seen again *( internal joke / aggressive setting )*
Love this man. He is a making amends and helping others. He knows what really happened. David Miscavige needs to be put into prison. Idk why these adults who were abused as schildren by Scientologists dobt press charges as adults or press negligence charges on the church as adults. If these crimes were committed against them as children there should be no statute of limitations. Period.
First people need to stop showing respect to Scientology by referring to this cult as a church. Keep exposing them by calling Scientology exactly what it is a CULT.
Because even IF a SOL weren't in place, the longer the time between the assault and the report degrades any evidence that may exist, especially memories. The human memory is a terrible record keeper, especially when it comes to trauma. The brain naturally tries to soften the edges of trauma, so that the person who lived through it doesn't snap. That's just Psychology 101. Then add to the fact that, according to NUMEROUS US Federal Court rulings, the First Amendment also covers religious duress, and cohersion as long as the person who 'agrees' to it is either a legal adult, or has the permission of their legal guardian to agree. If that protection didn't exist, then absolutely no religion on EARTH would be able to function in the US. Every religion has it's abusive practices - it comes with the territory of following an unquantifiable/unprovable entity or idea. Christian Scientists are legally allowed to deny their children medical care, without facing criminal charges when they die. Jehovah's Witness' can do the same with blood transfusions. In Indiana, a female minor can be denied emergency intervention while in labor - LEGALLY - by her Evangelical parents if they view said pregnancy as a punishment from God. Quiverfull families regularly parentify their children, have families they can't afford, and (in my case) refuse to allow their daughters to go on medication to prevent endometriosis, cysts, and future fertility issues - because it's also used as birth control. You can choose to expose your child to vaccine preventable diseases that could kill them, under the myth that the vaccine contains dead babies. The bottom line though, us that ALL religious organizations get away with abuse, under the cloak of the First.
@@kenegilsson1362 do me a favour, and actually show me a religion in America that DOESN'T qualify as a religious cult under the BITE model. Because I have bad news for you, there isn't one. But, way to derail from the original commenter's question to scream into the void, so you feel better about doing absolutely nothing productive surrounding this issue.
Listen to the harassment he endures and although he doesn't speak to it, there must be an underlying fear that Scientology will end him all the time. And they play on that by constantly being where ever he is to let him know we are all seeing all knowing and can take you out of the picture at anytime. I visited a few times, but they frightened me. The Holy Spirit in mean was sounding 5 star alarms saying get out of here and stay out. My son who is always more curious than myself even admitted to very uneasy feeling about being there. It took no effort to talk him into leaving there with me and his agreement to stay away from there.
I read Mike's daughter's letter to ABC. I found it curious she claims he wasn't there for his kids growing up. Isn't that a Scientology thing? That kids are just adults in small bodies and should be separated from their parents, especially if they are Sea Org members? I get he "deserted" them when he left, but he has his own life to live. She doesn't acknowledge his legitimate reasons, what he was put through, as if that's nothing. As if he walked away from an amazing situation. Her thinking is one-sided. She should blame Scientology for the break up of her family.
Did not know a daughter issue occurred; When I went to LA Cedar's in 77 the raid's had just happened that summer and I took it on gladly due to their performance in that event; It is correct to say that pro-children is formalized as correct in their set of rules; The thing is they put me in Child Care when I went there for the reasons they state but found at day-care -the 4 or 5 story building just across the South West corner directly South of AO-conditions which do not befit the youngsters; I believe as they do that children are full beings in nascent bodies but saw nothing supportive of such a policy; Rinder has stuff to carry on a battle against for wrongs that myself I have seen; No one has any justification for going SO with a family since even husband and wife are often posted on separate duties; Hubbard nearly put children in charge of The Apollo-not actually issuing orders but conveying them promptly and correctly which it appears there was some success though having CMO run Global Ops and having staff which operate as the aegis *PAC* ( Pacific Area Command ) bespeaks a fantasy far removed from fact; Jenny Atlax shows on-camera teams dispatched to recover materials under SCN copy-right refused with Mr Rinder clearly visible ( or maybe the other guy in San Antonio - not all of it is fresh to mind right this moment ) ••• unless you want to get into an encyclopedia length study based on a valid interest in the activity one is left to wonder why they pull such great PR with such few really valid with-it interested participants
@@ChiDraconis Its all a Sham. $$ I'd gander to bet COB is very concerned & knows it will go down in flames. Non the less you know he's got Stacks. Probably hidden everywhere. I don't understand, thou I'm not brainwashed so....
@@julzdixon63 That person is entitled to believe what he wants to believe-when they were issued the 501 by IRS that is when I walked as I had learnt by then it would only be the basis of an exploit and now 3 Decades later multiple definitive supporting proofs-what it takes for me to get off their mailing-list no one here would believe unless dedicated believer ••• the really odd contorted thing is that you do not need their "advanced" stuff to do the advanced stuff; I described in detail to a core participant holding such advanced certification matters which at that time had not even been written up nor published: I have no contention with true believers whom are actually interested it is like you say though responding correctly requires knowledge of their concept of power which is detailed by a study of Bolivar which is revelatory of how such things are done though not my nature nor interest area Basically what he is doing is an REIT; I doubt he sits around and hucks-off he is probably busy over 100+ hours a week and has been socked in like that since the mysterious phone call from a pay phone booth on Sunset Boulevard; I am that same way if you can imagine an "Enemy of the State" scene where somebody just literally destroys a pay-phone booth & for the Ron Senior his description in his book of leaving the Sell Phone behind is not an informed *Spooks-r-us* tactic ==>> were he wised up he could have wiped all the prints with 91% Isopropyl Alcohol, 32 OZ - CVS Pharmacy-and handed it to a murderous rock dealer Their investigator's do more harm than what was done ==> Like 32" PVC Silencer???? *Stupid taken to Stratosphere!!!!!*
They all know how Scientology operates internally, they all know that this behavior is alien and frowned upon by broader society, and they regularly use that against defectors to smear their characters among regular people.
Mike Rinder is a genuine hero. We need more like him in the world, willing to keep telling the truth in the face of years of harassment and gaslighting.
So you're saying that you think scientology's 'shockingly abhorrent' "fair game" policy should be applied back at them. And there's something to be said for that i guess, in that it seems to be an unwritten law that what you put out you get back tenfold. But, bottom line, that just ends up being 'legal thugs' vs 'criminal thugs, and i'm not a fan of either. I'm not a big fan of the bible either, but i have to say i have noticed that any judgement i have ever laid out against anyone else has always come back to bite me in the ass, knock me on my ass, slap me in the face, and otherwise totally humiliate me, so i've gotten pretty good at allowing the world to be as seemingly cruel and unjust as it sometimes appears to be, and all its inhabitants to be as stupid as they want to be without any judgement from me and to just focus on getting my own 'house' in order. Turns out i am MUCH happier minding my own business too!
He is the worst type of person on earth. You obviously know nothing about him. He's a bigoted criminal. You should reevaluate your sense of morality, creep.
The tax-exempt status of religious organizations in America must be re-examined & put forth to the public so that everyone can learn just how frequent & massive the fraud has become. A simple & equitable solution would be to make it so religions have to abide by the exact same rules that every other 501c/charitable organization follows. No new laws required, no new framework or legislation needing to be hashed out over years, nothing that could be viewed as bias, overreach or opposing existing freedumbs. Just apply the rules that are already on the books in every law office & court in the country. Level playing field. Also, those rules need to be better enforced in the US for ALL non-profits- it’s part of what makes democracies robust & functionally secure. Fraud via charity runs rampant in plutocracies, theocracies & kleptocracies, where the wealthy are all like “bootstraps, they can pull on them” which is just the modern-day version of “let them eat cake”. So much could be done to improve the lives & communities of parishioners, instead of their tithing funding 3rd mansions, private jets (which apparently bring the fraudsters “closer to heaven” so they can “better talk to god”- ts), yachts and private school for their great grandchildren.
@@Mike-sp4iz My Jesuit Masonic churches profited off of abusing and libeling me and stealing all my property and holding me hostage and rewarding perpetrators.
@June May umm your wrong June. I watched the episode where Mike talked about his time with this cult. He admitted the wrongs he did along with what was done to him. And he broke down when talking about the things he had been ordered to do and was/is very sorry. I encourage you to find the episode
@@Ladywolf-du9lw Agreed.We have to meet people where they are. We can’t expect that the people who have left the cult will be pristine and have no regrets from their time in it. I understand that Mike couldn’t have been a great parent during a time when he was under the cult’s influence. I hate that for him and for his kids. But look at what a truth-telling powerhouse he is now that he’s free. My hope is that his daughter will let someone’s/anyone’s truth about Scientology into her...enough to start asking questions. Because she is wasting her life and shutting out someone who loves her.
Just watch the show with him and Leah Remini on A&E. There’s an episode where the both of them sit in a public park and you can get a great idea of what would happen if you walk down the street with them in Clearwater. It’s insane!!!
I have nothing but love and admiration for Mike Rinder and Leah Remini, thank you for all you do. Hey, IRS, take that tax exempt status away. Hey FBI, arrest David Miscavidge!
Haven't even seen a fourth of this video and already think this is one of the BEST Scientology related interviews. I think that the in depth details about LRH and the Sea Org is a much more interesting subject than the usual "What is Scientology" subject. Great job!!!!!
Mike Rinder waged war against Bob Minton who had set up a trust for Lisa McPhearson's death caused by scientology. He drove Bob to his death and has admitted to it. I appreciate him speaking out on the horrors of this so called religion, but that does not absolve him of his past mistakes and abuse.
@@AncaSPotter cult members are victims. What he did as a brainwashed cult member isn't something he has to feel guilty about. He left the cult and deprogrammed himself, that's a good thing. He didn't drive Minton to death. He died of natural causes. The cult destroyed Minton, not Rinder. Rinder was used by the cult to hurt Minton.
@@aprilized I'm glad he's making amends for the unspeakable evil deeds he took part in as a high ranking cult member. Describing him as a "hero" is laughable. ;)
Doesn't the fact that you can make David Miscavige lose his temper to the point where he gets physically violent suggest that he has a very active reactive mind and thus not the state of clear?
You can’t reason or use logic with these people. They would argue that they are righteously justified in using anger, violence and abuse on cult members who weren’t performing as they required as they would see it as ‘helping’ them.
In my opinion Mike Rinder is a hero. He's a hero to freedom of speech, more importantly freedom of thought. If humans are not allowed to question beliefs, theology, creed etc, leading to questioning the validity of faith, then what's it all about? Well it is becomes a cult, and what I mean by cult is to submit your conscious mind to a faith beyond all reasoning. Rinder experienced this and is therefore a person with actual experience of doing this, submission into emergence into freedom of will. I believe Mike Rinder in his testimony in this video, though I don't know him. I am not a Scientologist, nor do I know one. I am familiar with some of its celebrities through consumption of media. I am a person who believes in free will. I am a person who believes that if we continue to consume as we are, as a species we are doomed and Global Warming is here now. By the very fact that Scientology builds buildings which occupy unused space leads me to believe that they are not saving the world by example. Good luck to Mike Rinder and all who seek free will.
They were brain washed. Of course he's not stupid. Just listening to this man you can tell he's quite intelligent. With everything we all know now of this weird cult, would you still join ?? Looks like the membership is slowly declining anyway. Last count they reckon it's down to 20,000 members. Hopefully it will die with those who are left and we can assign this rubbish to the dust bin of history. Good riddance !!
it's terrible crushing since Mike was brought up by his parents that believed in scientology at the age of 6, if your whole world and family are scientology members that seemed to be the only world you know as a kid and growing up and it seriously institutionalised you in a very young age , that kind of brainwash cuts so deep .... this is seriously very tragic . I am not sure why the law enforcement didn't do anything about this crazy cult.
They gangstalk people to insanity and along with their Freemason satanic pedo mates cause all the shooting sprees in churches schools cinamas shopping centres in gun free zones in America all by design They are complete garbage rock dog meth pedalers No one believes the bullshit and just go along for the perks.
FortyFive Nineteen11 That’s a terrible idea. I don’t believe in any religion but I believe people have a right to worship however they want. Unless you want soviet Russia?
After following this since Leah came out I went to CO$ hate site and that thing is so atrocious. They made me sick to my stomach! How in the world can they get away with that. I'm sorry Amy Scobee, Marc and Claire, and Mike. But, when Mike says he was stupid, it broke my heart. He was raised to know only this. We do what we can with what we have. Go Mike!
All of us that leave, especially if we speak out against the cult, get these hate sites on the web to try and ruin our relationships, ruin our jobs etc. my husband, Ron Miscavige, has more hate sites than ANY other person (and more than Mike+leah+Marc+me combined) and that’s how it works.
@@ExerciseMiracle I am sorry i did not respond earlier. I cannot imagine the pain Ron must feel, without the hate site. To know your son is having you followed and the response to "hey i think he's having a heart attack" was well, if it's his time . . . . I am sorry for all the grief that you and he have through. Each one of you continue to be vocal about this cult and are my heroes.
I have watched or listened to almost every podcast, the A&E show, documentary and interviews with MR I can find. This is one of the best! I loved hearing how he “feels” about his role etc. We have your back Mike! Hope you and the fam are doing well.
An ANONYMOUS attack on Scientology was to fax them black pages so their printers would run out of ink. LOL😎 Edit: since learned it was to burn up the paper not the ink as that type fax paper was more expensive than the ink. Love to see it happening. 😆
I love listening to all these stories when ever I start to think I had a rough childhood it reminds me I’m so grateful I was never exposed to Scientology
THAT was a great interview! I've never been a member but I've known people who joined in the 70s and are probably still members. I've wanted to see the series for a while so I was very happy to see it's now available on Netflix and Hulu. I've been binge watching all week with a box of tissues. Those of us who have never been members of a cult need to listen with compassion and refrain from judging those who have managed to free themselves from this or any other cult. The series answered a lot of questions for me about Scientology. Thank you Mike Rinder for all the important work you're doing to expose the truth about this organization. I hope the organization collapses very soon!
Rinder and Lisa Remini have a weekly podcast called Scientology Fair Game.....it’s so informative and have Cuesta with their experiences with Scientology. It’s mindboggling. Even Miscavidge’s dad was interviewed. Sad, sad, sad.
Mikes body language tells me ( I am ex LEO that was trained and quite proficient in detecting deception via body language)that he is being forthcoming of all the subject matter herein.
Largely forthcoming but with his position exposure to internal intel puts him in a position that he cannot reveal everything as some stuff just does not add up unless you were there
@C. L. Park Yeah like sudden Phone Booth Destruction Syndrome? Why I ask for the LEO Mr Shhhhhh does the well-known critic *∙Ruthless∙* not simply take the battery out of the hand-held & the SIMM then wrap in aluminum and pitch in the trunk and why suddenly turn left when normal egress has R. Senior going to the store which he could have bypassed claiming missed the turn? Gate security as R. Senior claims is not all that great on perception; Track & trace via Electro Mag signal's he could have at least by my opinion returned the device to any retail location keeping the SIMM and had the account terminated ??? What R. Seniour discovered by "leaks" on the "internet" is for me obvious as ducks at municipal pond; HCO PL 20 September 1976 -1Org Series 35-1, Stat Push Clarified ???? Okay how many times do you tell somebody something; That was posted in water-resistant movie 1-sheet size on a staircase in berthing; ( or close ~ 4½ ago ) Soon I would route-off cleanly and return to Texas where we see the famous Debbie Cook email which was sent on internal machines that should have been isolated; The "Handle" ( internal terminology ) was to place Ms Cook in sort of a Gulag → better than Soviet but a Gulag never the less; All sorts of thing's like I had a phony PhD also which I also threw it in the trash; Problem is 3 decades later I have to go to Legal at FLB and pull heroic's that only a "Class 8" ( 3 or above for informed readers ) would have any idea what I did; Let's say "There was a wall of fire" The real issue with Mr Rinder and others is that some of them keep materials to which RTC hold's valid legal property ownership and 90% of what Mr Hubbard wrote can be built from already extant authors many of which are Public Domain For casual readers the "Where's the chick" has been dismissed as Unfounded by badge; Maybe not ideal conditions but there by choice sans duress; The major fund's are controlled via Real Estate Investment Trust and are Sarbanes-Oxley compliant;
Nicholas Jordan I am ex LEO (resigned )never the less: your question/ comment is damn impressive. Your attention to detail is impeccable. And all I have is 2 palms up :)
@@mrshhh7841 My efforts in SCN were "worth the effort" · attention to detail as you assign it well I assisted 3-stripe municipal on take-down of by business partner "Torac" - team pack's up and leaves; Next morning blood and broken glass all over the driveway; I had departed prior to that on "intuition" I find out it was not because of dangers due to Torac it was because media showed up and we were on a national-feed; Though obviously aware of just what that involves I avoided a gut-shot in robbery due to paying attention to law-officer about a "burning sensation where they would be hit" > What Mr Hubbard had tried to do with the "advanced" materials has a great basis in fact that not even Theoretical physics has discovered; My opinion: Mr ( the Jenny Atlax thing ) should convey that which is valid RTC copyright materials to correct possession due to established IP Law → In “Cleere ” *Cleere v. City of Mesquite, 594 S.W.2d 831, 832 (Texas Civil. Appeals 1980)* It was established that Jenny Atlax did not pack a Hog Leg in to LAX Tom Bradley International Terminal (TBIT) Upper Level FlyAway Stop though in my opinion Mr Rathbun would have responded thus if such would have been used for emphasis by RTC Mission ▬ In a takedown common retail capsicums are not effective on me though interview with badge states that LE grade "Tasers" are very effective for about any ~ as LE your are aware of how determined criminal can get of other cartridge's despite being hit gutshot▬[PMCID: PMC1493651] _Abdominal gunshot wounds. An urban trauma center's experience with 300 consecutive patients_ Any OSI troll's please convey this to Jenney noting that I suggested a Hog Leg would have spared her 10 hours of "Do bird's fly" → core practitioners have gone days doing tantamount to just the same; Nothing is too big to fail & no one is immune!
God he does such a good job at getting right to specifics, while still somehow flowing basically through a full timeline of his story. Not too much getting off track with him and it’s going to be great for their podcast.
Entheta was exactly what got me out of Scientology. Just the idea of being forbidden to read something makes me doubt the credibility of an organization. It’s so obvious that an organization that can’t stand up to scrutiny is not worth the space it takes up.
Love love Love me some Mike Rinder, this guy can tear down reporters,trees, wrestle bears and feel empathy for others that are still suffering.. and that Beard(Hubba Hubba) 😍 ... Keep Going Mike, you helped me so much.🙏
As an ex scientologist who came in in 2010 this puts so many things into perspective for me and answers so many questions. This is the best interview I have seen from an ex scientologist.
It's true about Starbucks. I have 2 cousins from Clearwater. One is now serving a 35 year stint at Waupun prison in Wisconsin. The other works construction. Anyway I used to drive my Ma down to visit her sister every summer for a couple of weeks. So we all had t-shirts that had Scientology on the front and Sucks on the back. We used to go to Starbucks for fun and order a coffee. Usually some of the people would leave but sometimes someone would say something stupid and my cousin would stand up and do a Hulk Hogan impression and rip his shirt and throw it at him, then do the Hogan muscle flex. lol
I love Mike for not wanting to say negative things about Cruise and John T. He said he hopes everyone comes out in the end. He has also apologized to those he hurt. I respect that.
I'm so sorry that Mike has to deal with all this harassment from the people related to him who are still in the church of scientology. Great interview. The work Mike does is beyond valuable.
Mike I am so sorry to hear what you went through .I am praying that one day you will be back with your children one day. I know that it is a dream . But you can't blame someone who only wants to see good. Thank you for speaking out on the show and telling your story. Please keep speaking out maybe one day you will get Justice.
I really object to the term “church” being used in the same sentence with Scientology! No one in my church is EVER coerced into giving a cent. And everything my church and its doctrine offer is free to anyone who wants it!
The abuse and mindset that causes you to believe the abuse is your fault is exactly the same as the mindset of someone who is under domestic abuse. That’s one of the reasons it’s so hard to leave
One of the best interviewers on TH-cam. Imo. Great voice, doesn't interrupt, clear concise questions, allows the guest to shine. Never heard of this guy before, but good job.
I am listening and my heart is pounding. This cult is and what happens to these people are mind boggling. Simply a nightmare science fiction frightening movie. It’s horrific that this has gone on and is still going on. 😢🥹🤬🤦♀️
I have almost a decade of experience this life as an inside follower of the Founder, as it is represented by that group. And as far as I´m concerned, what Mike Rinder speaks about and what he says, as far as I can see, it cross checks to a very high degree. Thank you Mike Rinder! The human power that Scientologists represent could obviously help solve the present world crisis, if Scientologist were not misdirected due to the suppression of David Miscavige and his assistants... But for that power to be used for the Good of humanity, the inside followers need to realize what is going on. And that is of course what you also are working toward, I assume. I have as well intensive experience from being an outside follower of the Founder, again, as it is represented by that group, in the Freezone, and we really need to address the crimes of freezoners as well. Please be aware of this! The following individuals all have severe unhandled crimes, and some of them have starkly, knowingly, willingly and deliberately misused case and training gains and abilities from their Ron´s Org Bridge completions, using their abilities to prevent exposure of own crimes and employing FAIR GAME POLICY strategies, tactics and creatively developed new black tech techniques: 1. Robert Ralph Ducharme 2. Rolf Dane aka Clearbird aka Rolf Krause aka Rolf "Dane" Krause aka Rolf Darre Galaxe Krause 3. Erik Wagle 4. Ole Gerstrøm 5. Andreas Buttler (no longer in physical form) 6. Heidrun Beer, Rolf Dane´s assistant 7. Robert Dam (Robert Dam has created a marvellous web site about the inside organization, but he refuses to expose the crimes of freezoners, not surprising actually, since he has been audited inside the organizstion by Erik Wagle, who under the influence of Andreas Buttler, completely ignored The Auditor´s Code, broke his therapeutic wow of silence, releasing broadly and publicly amongst other things intimate and sexual data and secrets of pcs. And Robert Dam explicitly has told me that he is not going to publish things about Rolf Dane on his web site, for instance. Erik Wagle blackmailed the Danish Freezone community, releasing data left, right and center about many different individuals, and in the end, Ole Gerstrøm apparently felt so threatened by this that he decided to shut Erik Wagle up, and he nepotistically invited Erik Wagle to his yearly garden party in Vedbæk, DK, thereby rewarding a criminal and including him in the group. But from then on, Erik Wagle at least stopped bad mouthing Ole GErstrøm :-)) 8. Marian Volkman and Jim Halsey (T.I.R. /Applied Metapsychology - these two individuals, and their assistants, have refused to discipline Rolf D. even though he has used black tech, even though he has experimented with at least one pc and misrepresented his research data, in order to give a different portait of his technique, DEEP CLEARING, than what is actually the case. Marian Volkman and Jim Hal- sey have received extensive data about Rolf Dane´s crimes, but they have decided to keep him on their list as the only approved TIR specialist, as far as I understand, in Scandinavia. Despite the fact that Rolf Dane is trained and audited by Robert Ralph Du- charme who has trained Rolf Dane in black tech, telepathic metering, invasive mind reading, and a lot more. Rolf Dane hates being verified on a telepathic meter himself, and he hates being verified by individuals who are able to use a pendulum or use kinesiology muscle testing for verification and getting a yes or a no to an answer. Robert D. was the one who found out how to get telepathic yes/no reads on the meter. Robert Ralph Ducharme, developer of R3X, and various kinds of black tech, has created a kind of twisted, anarchist, illusionist tech based on telephone auditing and telepathic metering; maybe, or highly probable, I suspect, using LSD as an "Auditor" during sessions in order to fascillitate psychic superpowers, invading the mind of pcs; running OT 3 as an incident (he is the only one on the planet who can do this, and it´s absolutely great!) but stopping the auditing cycle whenever Robert D. feels like it, if the pc needs to be suppressed. And the list goes on and on. Robert Ralph Ducharme, 402 1st ST, Orange County, Orlando, Florida, Taft Town Residential, would be a highly skilled, competent and ethical Auditor, if he would clean up his act and start following The Auditor´s Code and universally applicable and necessary rules of conduct. He has helped me tremendously before he decided to betray me, record my sessions, and hand over the material to Rolf Dane aka Clearbird aka Rolf Krause aka Rolf "Dane" Krause aka Rolf Darre Galaze Krause who then has handed it in to the authorities. Why? Because Robert D. has trained and audited Rolf Dane for a long time, and they are of course friends, even in crime. Robert Ralph Ducharme has also twisted Andreas Buttler, the German developer of Spiritologie who claimed that he was the Founder. Andreas Buttler was amongst other things conned by Robert D. through Robert D.s use of illunsionist tricks. Robert D. for instance has found a way to take pictures of empty mirrors, as if he were able to not show up in a mirror :-) ! When he does skype interviews and auditing (beware of this, he records you through his earphone that´s hooked up to his cell phone, recording the whole session, without prior permission) he has a picture of himself with a camera appearing to be hanging in mid-air in the left side of the picture. Robert Ralph Ducharme was not so long ago imprisoned due to accusations of being a front man for a prostitute and financial fraud. He has a track record of victimizing his wife, provenly, and the unofficial "godfather" of the Danish Freezone community, "capo tutti" Ole Gerstrøm is another pc who has been audited by Robert D. It is a strikingly blatant ommission, the fact that these types of crimes were not addressed in the Freezone, and that Freezoners actually helped protect and cover up their friends´crimes. Untill we start taking action in this area, we will remain hypocrites with double standards, deceiving the public and appearing to be clean and ethical, even though almost the complete body of Freezoners, by tacit consent, have agreed with the monstrousity of the above crimes. Time and time again, I have reported these things to individuals and groups and gotten the same reply: Silence!
So, you think LRH was right, and it´s just Miscavige that´s nuts? Well, actually LRH was also a big liar. David M just learned from LRH. The whole thing is a scam. Hubbard was no better than Miscavige, he just died before the internet...
I would love to ask Mike this question; where do Scientologist think Hubbard received the information in his writings? Do they think he had visions, recalled it from past lives, was spoken to by a spiritual being? This is where I can't wrap my mind around these people who join Scientology or sign a billion year contract, what gives them faith in Hubbard writings and all the policies and rules. Why do seemingly normal people commit themselves and their young children to writings of a failed fiction author that will rule their entire lives! Then, when they learn about Zenu and all that goes with it, they just double down in their faith? Why do Scientologist believe Scientology is saving the world? What is the proof they give to Scientologist to continue to believe and repeat to others that they are making changes or saving the world?
Even if not one Scientologist leaves, the work these guys are doing are more than likely preventing untold numbers from getting involved to begin with.
liking and disliking are a bit misleading i find. You can like the video because its exposing Scientology, but you could dislike the video because you dislike scientology and thats what the video is about. It depends how you look at things. (like half full, or half empty)
Keep going Mike you and Leah are a great team. So sorry you were treated so badly by Miscavidge. He should be in jail. Don't stop until their tax exempt status is gone.
In Germany, a country known for it's liberal policy on communities of faith, Scientology is monitored by the constitutional protection. So, I can tell you, there HAVE to be profound reasons for the government to do so.
Binge watching Mike and Leah's docuseries led me here. Mike Rinder is the most compelling speaker on Scientology I've EVER heard, going back to what the Army told me about L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology in 1972. I've heard and considered everything since then without investigating Scientology. Mike and Leah's docuseries spared me having to do that to understand the "religion".. Mike is one with his knowledge so it comes out in believable fashion. Stick to the truth and the truth sticks to you. It's stuck all over Mike and Leah. Yay.
It's crazy but my husband has every single book by Hubbard yet can't believe anyone would ever call this cult a church!! I can't believe anyone still joins...
I wouldn’t really say wannabe. He was pretty established as a fiction writer. In fact he’s in the Guiness book of world records for most prolific writer.
@@jackparsons8612 I am interested in a citation of that which is verifiable via the web; I have heard that not just from COS but seeing the Blue Volume lend's credence to that ~ Since SF as a genre is well-established and the Pulp Fiction of the era is a match for his agent • Personally I fell for it believing the Marcab thing only to find out later that is a brand of taxi in NY ☼ Born this way by nature I have multiple proofs over decades of the value of his attempt though just now my opinion is that Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network should fine-tooth comb the REIT's for SAR's expecting to find HSBC & Deutsche Bank in North Carolina Real Estate as distribution for prison-designed opioids ▬ Not that I am a Narco it is that I got off of dope the 1-st day in at the request of wife of Dallas Mission Holder → That was in March or April of 1977 & by October I was at Cedars due to spectacular performance by COS in the Federal Raids
Nicholas Jordan I agree. It also helped me get off drugs. Also, brand of taxi lmao. Just use what is still useful to you, even if that includes some space opera whatever-ness. Do you.
What a terrible and EVIL CULT. It destroys people , families, friendships, marriages & lives in general. If it was Good, those things wouldn’t happen. “You shall know a tree by its fruit”. I’m thankful that some have seen the light and taken their lives back. My heart hurts for them, because I KNOW they look back on wasted YEARS of their lives being spent on a LIE. Coming to grips with that, has to be and IS a daily daunting task.
Excellent interview !! As of Sept. 22, Mike has finally put out a book. Obviously Scientology is having a fit ( knowing this book will expose all of this). As usual, they are trying to do everything possible to stop folks from reading his book. They've been publishing "fake" books under many different bogus author's names and putting them on Amazon to try and derail the REAL book. It's absolutely hilarious actually. ( The REAL book is titled: " A Billion Years: My Escape From a Life in the Highest Ranks of Scientology" by Mike Rinder ) I have the ultimate respect for Mike to have endured all that he has had to go through, yet he continues to speak out the truth. There are hundreds of others speaking out all over the world with the same basic stories of this evil cult and the damage they have done to so many lives. Hopefully one day the IRS will finally wake up and take away the obvious sham of this organization receiving church tax exempt status. The LAST thing they are is a Church !!!! Great respect for all those willing to speak out against this cult, in spite of the horrific harassment.
The scientologists in Clearwater, one can spot right away. They wear the same neutral clothes and hairstyles and pour out of the buildings come closing time. None of them looked happy. Driving through a herd of scientologists on foot while trying to find a parking space for a common beachside restaurant...it was surreal.
I love Mike. He has a intelligence, strength and courage that is rare and should be admired and emulated. I have great love and respect for Leah too. Keep fighting the good fight Mike and Leah! You guys are the cult's victims' hope and strength. Much love from Chicago, IL.❤👏👍🙌💪👏❤
I can only think of two reasons why Shelly hasn't made a brief public appearance to shut down the rumors. 1. She's dead 2. Miscavige uses her as a punching bag and her injuries are too severe for her to be seen.
Mike Rinder is a brave man and is trying his best. It's very hard to understand how one is brainwashed (even very intelligent people) unless one goes through it himself/herself. Or has dealt with the survivors.
As an ex-Sea Org Memeber who was born and raised in the church, this interview was absolutely captivating from beginning to end. I grew up watching this man speak for Scientology at tons of events and he was one of the most respected figures when I was growing up in the "church". To see this complete 180 is just mind blowing and all the stuff he is saying I know is 1000% true and that is just so mind blowing too. Cant believe my life before I left was and for my friends lives who are still in, is just this massive lie and crazy prison of belief. Really crazy. Just will never cease to amaze me how so many strong, smart people can be so tricked and conned in this way. Never think you are somehow above this or that this or something like it could never happen to you. Thank you Mike.
There are non SO which are not aware of such things as Windex Rehab
( joke for the insiders )
I am so glad you were able to route out or blow! I’ve studied Scientology a lot bc I wanted to initially understand why celebrities were members. I was floored with ex member accounts! Sending you love ❤️
@@MissBorgeous 🙏
@@MissBorgeous
Celebrity are just people;
Travota was going up the stairs at CC and I noticed him; Ready to respond I just wanted tp be sure then moved on
Mr Locke has seen greater than what will be seen at a Class-4 but never go near Valley Org
Bat Wing Vampires snatch innocent in the parking lot and never seen again
*( internal joke / aggressive setting )*
Scientology in the 20th century Joseph Smith in the 19th
Love Mike Rinder. So well spoken and kind. I appreciate how hard he is working to make all the wrongs right.
Agreed
Boman Mizrani : I guess you are a member of Scientology?
Which is the opposite of the way he was when he worked in Scientology. He's making up for the damage he caused.
Boman Mizrani stop letting Xenu eat your brain
@Boman Mizrani BS!!!!
Love this man. He is a making amends and helping others. He knows what really happened. David Miscavige needs to be put into prison. Idk why these adults who were abused as schildren by Scientologists dobt press charges as adults or press negligence charges on the church as adults. If these crimes were committed against them as children there should be no statute of limitations. Period.
First people need to stop showing respect to Scientology by referring to this cult as a church. Keep exposing them by calling Scientology exactly what it is a CULT.
Because even IF a SOL weren't in place, the longer the time between the assault and the report degrades any evidence that may exist, especially memories. The human memory is a terrible record keeper, especially when it comes to trauma. The brain naturally tries to soften the edges of trauma, so that the person who lived through it doesn't snap. That's just Psychology 101. Then add to the fact that, according to NUMEROUS US Federal Court rulings, the First Amendment also covers religious duress, and cohersion as long as the person who 'agrees' to it is either a legal adult, or has the permission of their legal guardian to agree. If that protection didn't exist, then absolutely no religion on EARTH would be able to function in the US. Every religion has it's abusive practices - it comes with the territory of following an unquantifiable/unprovable entity or idea. Christian Scientists are legally allowed to deny their children medical care, without facing criminal charges when they die. Jehovah's Witness' can do the same with blood transfusions. In Indiana, a female minor can be denied emergency intervention while in labor - LEGALLY - by her Evangelical parents if they view said pregnancy as a punishment from God. Quiverfull families regularly parentify their children, have families they can't afford, and (in my case) refuse to allow their daughters to go on medication to prevent endometriosis, cysts, and future fertility issues - because it's also used as birth control. You can choose to expose your child to vaccine preventable diseases that could kill them, under the myth that the vaccine contains dead babies. The bottom line though, us that ALL religious organizations get away with abuse, under the cloak of the First.
@@kenegilsson1362 do me a favour, and actually show me a religion in America that DOESN'T qualify as a religious cult under the BITE model. Because I have bad news for you, there isn't one. But, way to derail from the original commenter's question to scream into the void, so you feel better about doing absolutely nothing productive surrounding this issue.
Listen to the harassment he endures and although he doesn't speak to it, there must be an underlying fear that Scientology will end him all the time. And they play on that by constantly being where ever he is to let him know we are all seeing all knowing and can take you out of the picture at anytime. I visited a few times, but they frightened me. The Holy Spirit in mean was sounding 5 star alarms saying get out of here and stay out. My son who is always more curious than myself even admitted to very uneasy feeling about being there. It took no effort to talk him into leaving there with me and his agreement to stay away from there.
This guy covered up all stuff scientology did. That was his job. He covered up the child abuse?
I read Mike's daughter's letter to ABC. I found it curious she claims he wasn't there for his kids growing up. Isn't that a Scientology thing? That kids are just adults in small bodies and should be separated from their parents, especially if they are Sea Org members?
I get he "deserted" them when he left, but he has his own life to live. She doesn't acknowledge his legitimate reasons, what he was put through, as if that's nothing. As if he walked away from an amazing situation. Her thinking is one-sided.
She should blame Scientology for the break up of her family.
Did not know a daughter issue occurred; When I went to LA Cedar's in 77 the raid's had just happened that summer and I took it on gladly due to their performance in that event; It is correct to say that pro-children is formalized as correct in their set of rules; The thing is they put me in Child Care when I went there for the reasons they state but found at day-care -the 4 or 5 story building just across the South West corner directly South of AO-conditions which do not befit the youngsters;
I believe as they do that children are full beings in nascent bodies but saw nothing supportive of such a policy;
Rinder has stuff to carry on a battle against for wrongs that myself I have seen;
No one has any justification for going SO with a family since even husband and wife are often posted on separate duties; Hubbard nearly put children in charge of The Apollo-not actually issuing orders but conveying them promptly and correctly which it appears there was some success though having CMO run Global Ops and having staff which operate as the aegis *PAC* ( Pacific Area Command ) bespeaks a fantasy far removed from fact;
Jenny Atlax shows on-camera teams dispatched to recover materials under SCN copy-right refused with Mr Rinder clearly visible ( or maybe the other guy in San Antonio - not all of it is fresh to mind right this moment ) ••• unless you want to get into an encyclopedia length study based on a valid interest in the activity one is left to wonder why they pull such great PR with such few really valid with-it interested participants
@@ChiDraconis Its all a Sham. $$ I'd gander to bet COB is very concerned & knows it will go down in flames. Non the less you know he's got Stacks. Probably hidden everywhere. I don't understand, thou I'm not brainwashed so....
@@julzdixon63
That person is entitled to believe what he wants to believe-when they were issued the 501 by IRS that is when I walked as I had learnt by then it would only be the basis of an exploit and now 3 Decades later multiple definitive supporting proofs-what it takes for me to get off their mailing-list no one here would believe unless dedicated believer ••• the really odd contorted thing is that you do not need their "advanced" stuff to do the advanced stuff;
I described in detail to a core participant holding such advanced certification matters which at that time had not even been written up nor published: I have no contention with true believers whom are actually interested it is like you say though responding correctly requires knowledge of their concept of power which is detailed by a study of Bolivar which is revelatory of how such things are done though not my nature nor interest area
Basically what he is doing is an REIT;
I doubt he sits around and hucks-off he is probably busy over 100+ hours a week and has been socked in like that since the mysterious phone call from a pay phone booth on Sunset Boulevard;
I am that same way if you can imagine an "Enemy of the State" scene where somebody just literally destroys a pay-phone booth & for the Ron Senior his description in his book of leaving the Sell Phone behind is not an informed *Spooks-r-us* tactic ==>> were he wised up he could have wiped all the prints with 91% Isopropyl Alcohol, 32 OZ - CVS Pharmacy-and handed it to a murderous rock dealer
Their investigator's do more harm than what was done ==> Like 32" PVC Silencer????
*Stupid taken to Stratosphere!!!!!*
@Boman Mizrani ^ CO$ troll alert ^
They all know how Scientology operates internally, they all know that this behavior is alien and frowned upon by broader society, and they regularly use that against defectors to smear their characters among regular people.
I'm glad these conversations are still happening and this cult isn't being given any respite, keep going. 👏🏼👍🏼
its as much of a cult like any other religion
@@floggyWM1 it’s definitely on another level.
@@Org80 Then stop being a cult.
@@ljb5163 😂😂😂
@@Org80 huge cult!!
Mike Rinder is a genuine hero. We need more like him in the world, willing to keep telling the truth in the face of years of harassment and gaslighting.
This is best interview I have ever seen with Mike Rinder. He is very clear, concise and a total eye opener. Fantastic.
Scientology is a cult 100%.
The cult should be proscribed, abusers arrested and all their assets seized
👌👍👍🤝
These Cults need to be irradicated for good!
Cults destroy People's Lives and Their Families! In a Multitude of Ways Over Many Years.
So you're saying that you think scientology's 'shockingly abhorrent' "fair game" policy should be applied back at them. And there's something to be said for that i guess, in that it seems to be an unwritten law that what you put out you get back tenfold. But, bottom line, that just ends up being 'legal thugs' vs 'criminal thugs, and i'm not a fan of either. I'm not a big fan of the bible either, but i have to say i have noticed that any judgement i have ever laid out against anyone else has always come back to bite me in the ass, knock me on my ass, slap me in the face, and otherwise totally humiliate me, so i've gotten pretty good at allowing the world to be as seemingly cruel and unjust as it sometimes appears to be, and all its inhabitants to be as stupid as they want to be without any judgement from me and to just focus on getting my own 'house' in order. Turns out i am MUCH happier minding my own business too!
Abuse by how?
@@sparklecanada0112 cult?
@@ZigzagBuddha My concern are the children involved.
Regarding the IRS story. This is a criminal organization not a church.
so is the IRS
@@petercseszarik6552 Where are you on the bridge?
Illustraful what? the irs is a criminal organization.
@@christianthompson7915 And I'm asking where are you on the bridge? Are you OT III? Have you opened the sealed document telling you about Xenu?
It is a kirk
First time i saw him he was on tv he was full on for scientology , is SOOOOOOO great to see him free and away from those people , he's a good guy !
Have seen a 180* from this guy. Saw him once when we rallied against them in 04
He is the worst type of person on earth. You obviously know nothing about him. He's a bigoted criminal. You should reevaluate your sense of morality, creep.
Take away tax exempt status!!!!
The tax-exempt status of religious organizations in America must be re-examined & put forth to the public so that everyone can learn just how frequent & massive the fraud has become. A simple & equitable solution would be to make it so religions have to abide by the exact same rules that every other 501c/charitable organization follows.
No new laws required, no new framework or legislation needing to be hashed out over years, nothing that could be viewed as bias, overreach or opposing existing freedumbs. Just apply the rules that are already on the books in every law office & court in the country. Level playing field.
Also, those rules need to be better enforced in the US for ALL non-profits- it’s part of what makes democracies robust & functionally secure. Fraud via charity runs rampant in plutocracies, theocracies & kleptocracies, where the wealthy are all like “bootstraps, they can pull on them” which is just the modern-day version of “let them eat cake”.
So much could be done to improve the lives & communities of parishioners, instead of their tithing funding 3rd mansions, private jets (which apparently bring the fraudsters “closer to heaven” so they can “better talk to god”- ts), yachts and private school for their great grandchildren.
It’ll never happen unless they get rid of it for all churches.
but how will they launder the money, if we will?
@@Mike-sp4iz My Jesuit Masonic churches profited off of abusing and libeling me and stealing all my property and holding me hostage and rewarding perpetrators.
@@Mike-sp4iz I am United Methodist and churches have been infiltrated.
I wanna walk down the street in Clearwater with Mike Rinder! Who’s with me? 😂
@June May umm your wrong June. I watched the episode where Mike talked about his time with this cult. He admitted the wrongs he did along with what was done to him. And he broke down when talking about the things he had been ordered to do and was/is very sorry. I encourage you to find the episode
I SAW THERE ARE CULT TOURS THAT WALK PAST THE BLDGS IN CLEARWATER ........
@@Ladywolf-du9lw Agreed.We have to meet people where they are. We can’t expect that the people who have left the cult will be pristine and have no regrets from their time in it. I understand that Mike couldn’t have been a great parent during a time when he was under the cult’s influence. I hate that for him and for his kids. But look at what a truth-telling powerhouse he is now that he’s free. My hope is that his daughter will let someone’s/anyone’s truth about Scientology into her...enough to start asking questions. Because she is wasting her life and shutting out someone who loves her.
@@cubemissy it sounds just like LDS
Just watch the show with him and Leah Remini on A&E. There’s an episode where the both of them sit in a public park and you can get a great idea of what would happen if you walk down the street with them in Clearwater. It’s insane!!!
It’s amazing how so many people have been sucked into a cult which has its rules written by a fiction writer.
It's a lot less than you think. At least there's some hope.
It’s really not that many. From what I’ve read its around 15,000 people worldwide
@@kingrama2727 That may be a little too high too (or maybe that's just wishful thinking).
I totally agree with that.
Least they knew who Hubbard was, unlike with Q.
Always love listening to Mike Rinder! So happy he is still fighting for victims, as he is a victim himself.
Loved watching him and Leah on A & E. Wish they were still doing the TV Show.
I just re-watched the 3 seasons on Hulu. Worth it!
Leah Remini and he are two heroes
I have nothing but love and admiration for Mike Rinder and Leah Remini, thank you for all you do. Hey, IRS, take that tax exempt status away. Hey FBI, arrest David Miscavidge!
Haven't even seen a fourth of this video and already think this is one of the BEST Scientology related interviews. I think that the in depth details about LRH and the Sea Org is a much more interesting subject than the usual "What is Scientology" subject. Great job!!!!!
Agreed
This man is a hero
I agree, along with Leah Remini and their crew!!! Amazing
@Wynn Wynn ok cult member
Mike Rinder waged war against Bob Minton who had set up a trust for Lisa McPhearson's death caused by scientology. He drove Bob to his death and has admitted to it. I appreciate him speaking out on the horrors of this so called religion, but that does not absolve him of his past mistakes and abuse.
@@AncaSPotter cult members are victims. What he did as a brainwashed cult member isn't something he has to feel guilty about. He left the cult and deprogrammed himself, that's a good thing. He didn't drive Minton to death. He died of natural causes. The cult destroyed Minton, not Rinder. Rinder was used by the cult to hurt Minton.
@@aprilized I'm glad he's making amends for the unspeakable evil deeds he took part in as a high ranking cult member. Describing him as a "hero" is laughable. ;)
Doesn't the fact that you can make David Miscavige lose his temper to the point where he gets physically violent suggest that he has a very active reactive mind and thus not the state of clear?
You can’t reason or use logic with these people. They would argue that they are righteously justified in using anger, violence and abuse on cult members who weren’t performing as they required as they would see it as ‘helping’ them.
That's actually a very good point. He should have complete control.
no
@@juliefabio he is in complete control. this is a tactic to shake up and intimidate a person. totally planned. this isn't a hysterical husband
@@petercseszarik6552 If it is seen as a conscious act to intended to intimidate, then why is it excused in the way the video suggest?
In my opinion Mike Rinder is a hero. He's a hero to freedom of speech, more importantly freedom of thought. If humans are not allowed to question beliefs, theology, creed etc, leading to questioning the validity of faith, then what's it all about? Well it is becomes a cult, and what I mean by cult is to submit your conscious mind to a faith beyond all reasoning. Rinder experienced this and is therefore a person with actual experience of doing this, submission into emergence into freedom of will. I believe Mike Rinder in his testimony in this video, though I don't know him. I am not a Scientologist, nor do I know one. I am familiar with some of its celebrities through consumption of media. I am a person who believes in free will. I am a person who believes that if we continue to consume as we are, as a species we are doomed and Global Warming is here now. By the very fact that Scientology builds buildings which occupy unused space leads me to believe that they are not saving the world by example. Good luck to Mike Rinder and all who seek free will.
Global warming is a hoax too, is geoengineering: chemtrails and haarp...
@@7173bpest You need to read some books and wake up to reality. Stay safe.
@@fizzedupslade4082🤣🤣🤣 so you're the one who knows everything...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣📺📺📺📺
@@fizzedupslade4082 I read books in 5 languages... go back to sleep little sheep... global warming is a hoax, part of the agenda...👈📺📺📺🐑🐑🐑
@@7173bpest Hello Tündy, sadly I don't argue with numpties. Have a great life.
“I’m not stupid, but I was.” Thats profound.
They were brain washed. Of course he's not stupid. Just listening to this man you can tell he's quite intelligent.
With everything we all know now of this weird cult, would you still join ??
Looks like the membership is slowly declining anyway. Last count they reckon it's down to 20,000 members. Hopefully it will die with those who are left and we can assign this rubbish to the dust bin of history. Good riddance !!
@@tonymontana897 we were brainwashed, we brainwashed ourselves through the TRs
That's about as deep as my toilet.
it's terrible crushing since Mike was brought up by his parents that believed in scientology at the age of 6, if your whole world and family are scientology members that seemed to be the only world you know as a kid and growing up and it seriously institutionalised you in a very young age , that kind of brainwash cuts so deep .... this is seriously very tragic . I am not sure why the law enforcement didn't do anything about this crazy cult.
Mike Rinder is wonderful! Love listening to him and so thankful he is telling the truth. He has saved so many thinking of entering this horrible cult.
Love how real Mike is. Expose it all Mike! I PRAY ur family is united one day.
State Attorney General's should get together and stop scientology.
They gangstalk people to insanity and along with their Freemason satanic pedo mates cause all the shooting sprees in churches schools cinamas shopping centres in gun free zones in America all by design They are complete garbage rock dog meth pedalers
No one believes the bullshit and just go along for the perks.
FortyFive Nineteen11 That’s a terrible idea. I don’t believe in any religion but I believe people have a right to worship however they want. Unless you want soviet Russia?
We pay them from our taxes..we should demand they earn it..
@FortyFive Nineteen11 Not banish them. Just hold them legally and financially accountable for their crimes.
The Police are in their pocket.
As are the Police near the L.A. compound.
After following this since Leah came out I went to CO$ hate site and that thing is so atrocious. They made me sick to my stomach! How in the world can they get away with that. I'm sorry Amy Scobee, Marc and Claire, and Mike. But, when Mike says he was stupid, it broke my heart. He was raised to know only this. We do what we can with what we have. Go Mike!
All of us that leave, especially if we speak out against the cult, get these hate sites on the web to try and ruin our relationships, ruin our jobs etc. my husband, Ron Miscavige, has more hate sites than ANY other person (and more than Mike+leah+Marc+me combined) and that’s how it works.
@Dumb Freddy CoS hate site
@@ExerciseMiracle I am sorry i did not respond earlier. I cannot imagine the pain Ron must feel, without the hate site. To know your son is having you followed and the response to "hey i think he's having a heart attack" was well, if it's his time . . . . I am sorry for all the grief that you and he have through. Each one of you continue to be vocal about this cult and are my heroes.
I have watched or listened to almost every podcast, the A&E show, documentary and interviews with MR I can find. This is one of the best! I loved hearing how he “feels” about his role etc. We have your back Mike! Hope you and the fam are doing well.
I love Mike Rinder! I’m so happy that I came to watch Shaun on your podcast and stayed!!
Boman Mizrani I did not know that. Thank you
I’ve consumed so much content about Scientology at this point, but still learned so much watching this. Phenomenal interview.
Adore Mike. He is soo charged. I would listen to him read the phone book!
An ANONYMOUS attack on Scientology was to fax them black pages so their printers would run out of ink. LOL😎
Edit: since learned it was to burn up the paper not the ink as that type fax paper was more expensive than the ink.
Love to see it happening. 😆
Hahahaha!! I will have to remember that!
And they probably would file all pages due to some policy.
@@charlesmendeley9823 an efficient cult
I love listening to all these stories when ever I start to think I had a rough childhood it reminds me I’m so grateful I was never exposed to Scientology
THAT was a great interview! I've never been a member but I've known people who joined in the 70s and are probably still members. I've wanted to see the series for a while so I was very happy to see it's now available on Netflix and Hulu. I've been binge watching all week with a box of tissues. Those of us who have never been members of a cult need to listen with compassion and refrain from judging those who have managed to free themselves from this or any other cult. The series answered a lot of questions for me about Scientology. Thank you Mike Rinder for all the important work you're doing to expose the truth about this organization. I hope the organization collapses very soon!
Rinder and Lisa Remini have a weekly podcast called Scientology Fair Game.....it’s so informative and have Cuesta with their experiences with Scientology. It’s mindboggling. Even Miscavidge’s dad was interviewed. Sad, sad, sad.
Great interview! I could listen to him for hours. I really respect what he’s fighting for.
Mikes body language tells me ( I am ex LEO that was trained and quite proficient in detecting deception via body language)that he is being forthcoming of all the subject matter herein.
Largely forthcoming but with his position exposure to internal intel puts him in a position that he cannot reveal everything as some stuff just does not add up unless you were there
@C. L. Park
Yeah like sudden Phone Booth Destruction Syndrome?
Why I ask for the LEO Mr Shhhhhh does the well-known critic *∙Ruthless∙* not simply take the battery out of the hand-held & the SIMM then wrap in aluminum and pitch in the trunk and why suddenly turn left when normal egress has R. Senior going to the store which he could have bypassed claiming missed the turn?
Gate security as R. Senior claims is not all that great on perception;
Track & trace via Electro Mag signal's he could have at least by my opinion returned the device to any retail location keeping the SIMM and had the account terminated ??? What R. Seniour discovered by "leaks" on the "internet" is for me obvious as ducks at municipal pond; HCO PL 20 September 1976 -1Org Series 35-1, Stat Push Clarified ???? Okay how many times do you tell somebody something;
That was posted in water-resistant movie 1-sheet size on a staircase in berthing; ( or close ~ 4½ ago )
Soon I would route-off cleanly and return to Texas where we see the famous Debbie Cook email which was sent on internal machines that should have been isolated; The "Handle" ( internal terminology ) was to place Ms Cook in sort of a Gulag → better than Soviet but a Gulag never the less;
All sorts of thing's like I had a phony PhD also which I also threw it in the trash; Problem is 3 decades later I have to go to Legal at FLB and pull heroic's that only a "Class 8" ( 3 or above for informed readers ) would have any idea what I did; Let's say "There was a wall of fire" The real issue with Mr Rinder and others is that some of them keep materials to which RTC hold's valid legal property ownership and 90% of what Mr Hubbard wrote can be built from already extant authors many of which are Public Domain
For casual readers the "Where's the chick" has been dismissed as Unfounded by badge; Maybe not ideal conditions but there by choice sans duress; The major fund's are controlled via Real Estate Investment Trust and are Sarbanes-Oxley compliant;
Nicholas Jordan I am ex LEO (resigned )never the less: your question/ comment is damn impressive. Your attention to detail is impeccable. And all I have is 2 palms up :)
@@mrshhh7841 My efforts in SCN were "worth the effort" · attention to detail as you assign it well I assisted 3-stripe municipal on take-down of by business partner "Torac" - team pack's up and leaves; Next morning blood and broken glass all over the driveway; I had departed prior to that on "intuition" I find out it was not because of dangers due to Torac it was because media showed up and we were on a national-feed;
Though obviously aware of just what that involves I avoided a gut-shot in robbery due to paying attention to law-officer about a "burning sensation where they would be hit" > What Mr Hubbard had tried to do with the "advanced" materials has a great basis in fact that not even Theoretical physics has discovered;
My opinion: Mr ( the Jenny Atlax thing ) should convey that which is valid RTC copyright materials to correct possession due to established IP Law → In “Cleere ”
*Cleere v. City of Mesquite, 594 S.W.2d 831, 832 (Texas Civil. Appeals 1980)*
It was established that Jenny Atlax did not pack a Hog Leg in to LAX Tom Bradley International Terminal (TBIT) Upper Level FlyAway Stop though in my opinion Mr Rathbun would have responded thus if such would have been used for emphasis by RTC Mission ▬ In a takedown common retail capsicums are not effective on me though interview with badge states that LE grade "Tasers" are very effective for about any ~ as LE your are aware of how determined criminal can get of other cartridge's despite being hit gutshot▬[PMCID: PMC1493651]
_Abdominal gunshot wounds. An urban trauma center's experience with 300 consecutive patients_
Any OSI troll's please convey this to Jenney noting that I suggested a Hog Leg would have spared her 10 hours of "Do bird's fly" → core practitioners have gone days doing tantamount to just the same;
Nothing is too big to fail & no one is immune!
What is LEO?
God he does such a good job at getting right to specifics, while still somehow flowing basically through a full timeline of his story. Not too much getting off track with him and it’s going to be great for their podcast.
Entheta was exactly what got me out of Scientology. Just the idea of being forbidden to read something makes me doubt the credibility of an organization. It’s so obvious that an organization that can’t stand up to scrutiny is not worth the space it takes up.
Great job Mike! Learned even more details about the history.
#1 threat is the truth!
@Boman Mizrani ^ CO$ troll alert ^
Wow the fact you were there from the beginning is mind blowing!
"Only truth can set you free." Said a Revolutionary 2,000 years ago.
Love love Love me some Mike Rinder, this guy can tear down reporters,trees, wrestle bears and feel empathy for others that are still suffering.. and that Beard(Hubba Hubba) 😍 ... Keep Going Mike, you helped me so much.🙏
"It is easier to deceive people than to convince them that they have been deceived."
-- Mark Twain
Great interview! I could listen to Mike all night. Love the Aussie accent!
IT ALSO SOUNDS LIKE A BOSTON ACCENT.
And bobs your uncle
@@AIRMANBEAR I love his Boston accent too!
As an ex scientologist who came in in 2010 this puts so many things into perspective for me and answers so many questions. This is the best interview I have seen from an ex scientologist.
Those details Mike digresses into are important to understand Scientology. He's an excellent narrator.
While I like Leah Rimini, it is SO nice to see an interview with Mike and not have her talk over him!
The IRS and FBI need to get on this immediately.
It's true about Starbucks. I have 2 cousins from Clearwater. One is now serving a 35 year stint at Waupun prison in Wisconsin. The other works construction. Anyway I used to drive my Ma down to visit her sister every summer for a couple of weeks. So we all had t-shirts that had Scientology on the front and Sucks on the back. We used to go to Starbucks for fun and order a coffee. Usually some of the people would leave but sometimes someone would say something stupid and my cousin would stand up and do a Hulk Hogan impression and rip his shirt and throw it at him, then do the Hogan muscle flex. lol
I can listen to this over and over. Thank you for having him on. 😁
Hi, Danny. I appreciate the way you allow and encourage your guests to speak.
I love Mike for not wanting to say negative things about Cruise and John T. He said he hopes everyone comes out in the end. He has also apologized to those he hurt. I respect that.
I'm so sorry that Mike has to deal with all this harassment from the people related to him who are still in the church of scientology. Great interview. The work Mike does is beyond valuable.
I have a little crush on Mike..not sure why except he seems like a nice guy.💗
Mike I am so sorry to hear what you went through .I am praying that one day you will be back with your children one day. I know that it is a dream . But you can't blame someone who only wants to see good. Thank you for speaking out on the show and telling your story. Please keep speaking out maybe one day you will get Justice.
PRAYING ? yet another delusion
Keep fighting the good fight! Thank you AND Leah Remini for your bravery to stand against these wrongs.
This podcast is going to be very HUGE SOON!!! I
I really object to the term “church” being used in the same sentence with Scientology! No one in my church is EVER coerced into giving a cent. And everything my church and its doctrine offer is free to anyone who wants it!
i love this man he is so cute. we have the same birthday and the same amount of feistiness, loyalty and cuteness
The abuse and mindset that causes you to believe the abuse is your fault is exactly the same as the mindset of someone who is under domestic abuse. That’s one of the reasons it’s so hard to leave
Incredible interview, wow! Absolutely fascinating. Thank you for this and thank you to Mike for peeling back the veil.
Finally! Mike is back!
Thank you Mike for telling the truth.
WONDERFUL interview
Thanks...👍🙋
You did a fabulous job with this interview. Please tell Mike Rinder we support him to the fullest!!!
Great to see the whole conversation with Mike! Thanks
Thank you for your work, Mike Rinder
Just rewatched the "we stand tall" video...Mike was grooving it
One of the best interviewers on TH-cam. Imo. Great voice, doesn't interrupt, clear concise questions, allows the guest to shine. Never heard of this guy before, but good job.
Mike is a beautiful speaker. Great interview and I’m now subscribed to this channel. I will try to find Mike’s blog. Thank you.
As an ex JW (watchtower ) I completely agree and Know the deceit of cults
I am listening and my heart is pounding. This cult is and what happens to these people are mind boggling. Simply a nightmare science fiction frightening movie. It’s horrific that this has gone on and is still going on. 😢🥹🤬🤦♀️
I have almost a decade of experience this life as an inside follower of the Founder, as it is represented by that group. And as far as I´m concerned, what Mike Rinder speaks about and what he says, as far as I can see, it cross checks to a very high degree. Thank you Mike Rinder! The human power that Scientologists represent could obviously help solve the present world crisis, if Scientologist were not misdirected due to the suppression of David Miscavige and his assistants...
But for that power to be used for the Good of humanity, the inside followers need to realize what is going on. And that is of course what you also are working toward, I assume.
I have as well intensive experience from being an outside follower of the Founder, again, as it is represented by that group, in the Freezone, and we really need to address the crimes of freezoners as well. Please be aware of this! The following individuals all have severe unhandled crimes, and some of them have starkly, knowingly, willingly and deliberately misused case and training gains and abilities from their Ron´s Org Bridge completions, using their abilities to prevent exposure of own crimes and employing FAIR GAME POLICY strategies, tactics and creatively developed new black tech techniques:
1. Robert Ralph Ducharme
2. Rolf Dane aka Clearbird aka Rolf Krause aka Rolf "Dane" Krause aka Rolf Darre Galaxe Krause
3. Erik Wagle
4. Ole Gerstrøm
5. Andreas Buttler (no longer in physical form)
6. Heidrun Beer, Rolf Dane´s assistant
7. Robert Dam (Robert Dam has created a marvellous web site about the inside organization, but he refuses to expose the crimes of freezoners,
not surprising actually, since he has been audited inside the organizstion by Erik Wagle, who under the influence of Andreas
Buttler, completely ignored The Auditor´s Code, broke his therapeutic wow of silence, releasing broadly and publicly amongst
other things intimate and sexual data and secrets of pcs. And Robert Dam explicitly has told me that he is not going to publish
things about Rolf Dane on his web site, for instance. Erik Wagle blackmailed the Danish Freezone community, releasing data
left, right and center about many different individuals, and in the end, Ole Gerstrøm apparently felt so threatened by this that he
decided to shut Erik Wagle up, and he nepotistically invited Erik Wagle to his yearly garden party in Vedbæk, DK, thereby rewarding
a criminal and including him in the group. But from then on, Erik Wagle at least stopped bad mouthing Ole GErstrøm :-))
8. Marian Volkman and Jim Halsey (T.I.R. /Applied Metapsychology - these two individuals, and their assistants, have refused to discipline Rolf D.
even though he has used black tech, even though he has experimented with at least one pc and misrepresented his research data,
in order to give a different portait of his technique, DEEP CLEARING, than what is actually the case. Marian Volkman and Jim Hal-
sey have received extensive data about Rolf Dane´s crimes, but they have decided to keep him on their list as the only approved
TIR specialist, as far as I understand, in Scandinavia. Despite the fact that Rolf Dane is trained and audited by Robert Ralph Du-
charme who has trained Rolf Dane in black tech, telepathic metering, invasive mind reading, and a lot more. Rolf Dane hates
being verified on a telepathic meter himself, and he hates being verified by individuals who are able to use a pendulum or use
kinesiology muscle testing for verification and getting a yes or a no to an answer. Robert D. was the one who found out how to get
telepathic yes/no reads on the meter.
Robert Ralph Ducharme, developer of R3X, and various kinds of black tech, has created a kind of twisted, anarchist, illusionist tech based on telephone auditing and telepathic metering; maybe, or highly probable, I suspect, using LSD as an "Auditor" during sessions in order to fascillitate psychic superpowers, invading the mind of pcs; running OT 3 as an incident (he is the only one on the planet who can do this, and it´s absolutely great!) but stopping the auditing cycle whenever Robert D. feels like it, if the pc needs to be suppressed.
And the list goes on and on. Robert Ralph Ducharme, 402 1st ST, Orange County, Orlando, Florida, Taft Town Residential, would be a highly skilled, competent and ethical Auditor, if he would clean up his act and start following The Auditor´s Code and universally applicable and necessary rules of conduct. He has helped me tremendously before he decided to betray me, record my sessions, and hand over the material to Rolf Dane aka Clearbird aka Rolf Krause aka Rolf "Dane" Krause aka Rolf Darre Galaze Krause who then has handed it in to the authorities. Why? Because Robert D. has trained and audited Rolf Dane for a long time, and they are of course friends, even in crime.
Robert Ralph Ducharme has also twisted Andreas Buttler, the German developer of Spiritologie who claimed that he was the Founder. Andreas Buttler was amongst other things conned by Robert D. through Robert D.s use of illunsionist tricks. Robert D. for instance has found a way to take pictures of empty mirrors, as if he were able to not show up in a mirror :-) ! When he does skype interviews and auditing (beware of this, he records you through his earphone that´s hooked up to his cell phone, recording the whole session, without prior permission) he has a picture of himself with a camera appearing to be hanging in mid-air in the left side of the picture.
Robert Ralph Ducharme was not so long ago imprisoned due to accusations of being a front man for a prostitute and financial fraud. He has a track record of victimizing his wife, provenly, and the unofficial "godfather" of the Danish Freezone community, "capo tutti" Ole Gerstrøm is another pc who has been audited by Robert D.
It is a strikingly blatant ommission, the fact that these types of crimes were not addressed in the Freezone, and that Freezoners actually helped protect and cover up their friends´crimes.
Untill we start taking action in this area, we will remain hypocrites with double standards, deceiving the public and appearing to be clean and ethical, even though almost the complete body of Freezoners, by tacit consent, have agreed with the monstrousity of the above crimes. Time and time again, I have reported these things to individuals and groups and gotten the same reply: Silence!
So, you think LRH was right, and it´s just Miscavige that´s nuts? Well, actually LRH was also a big liar. David M just learned from LRH. The whole thing is a scam. Hubbard was no better than Miscavige, he just died before the internet...
I would love to ask Mike this question; where do Scientologist think Hubbard received the information in his writings? Do they think he had visions, recalled it from past lives, was spoken to by a spiritual being? This is where I can't wrap my mind around these people who join Scientology or sign a billion year contract, what gives them faith in Hubbard writings and all the policies and rules. Why do seemingly normal people commit themselves and their young children to writings of a failed fiction author that will rule their entire lives! Then, when they learn about Zenu and all that goes with it, they just double down in their faith?
Why do Scientologist believe Scientology is saving the world? What is the proof they give to Scientologist to continue to believe and repeat to others that they are making changes or saving the world?
Even if not one Scientologist leaves, the work these guys are doing are more than likely preventing untold numbers from getting involved to begin with.
We can only hope .
Love Mike and Leah.
Love the mesmerizing grey and black Rorschach paint in the opening. I concentrated so hard, I didn’t start listening till it said PODCAST.
I think Mike is awesome great job and Mrs Remini is the best I love what she and Mike are doing to save people from scam
Calling Scientology a church is like calling Alec Baldwin a gun safety expert...
Send Mike Rinder & his family your love, he has a series of update videos, he has Cancer. 😢❤
Fascinating guy. Love to have a beer with Mike...
SPECTACULAR interview!!! Thank you both!!!
Who are the 38 people who dislike this video!?!?
They cant be Scientologists!!! Can they??? lol
liking and disliking are a bit misleading i find. You can like the video because its exposing Scientology, but you could dislike the video because you dislike scientology and thats what the video is about. It depends how you look at things. (like half full, or half empty)
Scientologists can’t watch these videos they aren’t allowed
Lol
Some people dislike videos if they’re just not interested in the subject matter so the algorithm stops feeding them similar videos.
probably only 1 $cientologust, but with 38 different phony "sock puppet" accounts.
Keep going Mike you and Leah are a great team. So sorry you were treated so badly by Miscavidge. He should be in jail. Don't stop until their tax exempt status is gone.
🎯
In Germany, a country known for it's liberal policy on communities of faith, Scientology is monitored by the constitutional protection. So, I can tell you, there HAVE to be profound reasons for the government to do so.
@Has Goodles Scientologist?
I know where Shelly Miscavige is!
@@michael-4k4000 well, good for you!
@@christinaderecki4229 want me to tell you Christina? Can I call you Chris for short? Where are u from anyway?
The BEST interview!
What a terrific guy he is !
Binge watching Mike and Leah's docuseries led me here. Mike Rinder is the most compelling speaker on Scientology I've EVER heard, going back to what the Army told me about L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology in 1972. I've heard and considered everything since then without investigating Scientology. Mike and Leah's docuseries spared me having to do that to understand the "religion".. Mike is one with his knowledge so it comes out in believable fashion. Stick to the truth and the truth sticks to you. It's stuck all over Mike and Leah. Yay.
Hmm Scientology sounds like something a wannabe science fiction writer would have invented.
It's crazy but my husband has every single book by Hubbard yet can't believe anyone would ever call this cult a church!! I can't believe anyone still joins...
Lol! 😊
I wouldn’t really say wannabe. He was pretty established as a fiction writer. In fact he’s in the Guiness book of world records for most prolific writer.
@@jackparsons8612
I am interested in a citation of that which is verifiable via the web; I have heard that not just from COS but seeing the Blue Volume lend's credence to that ~ Since SF as a genre is well-established and the Pulp Fiction of the era is a match for his agent • Personally I fell for it believing the Marcab thing only to find out later that is a brand of taxi in NY ☼ Born this way by nature I have multiple proofs over decades of the value of his attempt though just now my opinion is that Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network should fine-tooth comb the REIT's for SAR's expecting to find HSBC & Deutsche Bank in North Carolina Real Estate as distribution for prison-designed opioids ▬ Not that I am a Narco it is that I got off of dope the 1-st day in at the request of wife of Dallas Mission Holder → That was in March or April of 1977 & by October I was at Cedars due to spectacular performance by COS in the Federal Raids
Nicholas Jordan I agree. It also helped me get off drugs. Also, brand of taxi lmao. Just use what is still useful to you, even if that includes some space opera whatever-ness.
Do you.
What a terrible and EVIL CULT. It destroys people , families, friendships, marriages & lives in general. If it was Good, those things wouldn’t happen. “You shall know a tree by its fruit”. I’m thankful that some have seen the light and taken their lives back. My heart hurts for them, because I KNOW they look back on wasted YEARS of their lives being spent on a LIE. Coming to grips with that, has to be and IS a daily daunting task.
Excellent interview !! As of Sept. 22, Mike has finally put out a book. Obviously Scientology is
having a fit ( knowing this book will expose all of this). As usual, they are trying to do everything
possible to stop folks from reading his book. They've been publishing "fake" books under many different bogus author's names and putting them on Amazon to try and derail the REAL book. It's
absolutely hilarious actually. ( The REAL book is titled: " A Billion Years: My Escape From a Life in the Highest Ranks of Scientology" by Mike Rinder )
I have the ultimate respect for Mike to have endured all that he has had to go through, yet he continues
to speak out the truth. There are hundreds of others speaking out all over the world with the same
basic stories of this evil cult and the damage they have done to so many lives. Hopefully
one day the IRS will finally wake up and take away the obvious sham of this organization receiving church tax exempt status. The LAST thing they are is a Church !!!!
Great respect for all those willing to speak out against this cult, in spite of the horrific harassment.
I admire Mike so much. He and Leah have guts! Keep up this has-to-be-blessed work.
The scientologists in Clearwater, one can spot right away. They wear the same neutral clothes and hairstyles and pour out of the buildings come closing time. None of them looked happy. Driving through a herd of scientologists on foot while trying to find a parking space for a common beachside restaurant...it was surreal.
I love Mike. He has a intelligence, strength and courage that is rare and should be admired and emulated. I have great love and respect for Leah too. Keep fighting the good fight Mike and Leah! You guys are the cult's victims' hope and strength. Much love from Chicago, IL.❤👏👍🙌💪👏❤
I can only think of two reasons why Shelly hasn't made a brief public appearance to shut down the rumors.
1. She's dead
2. Miscavige uses her as a punching bag and her injuries are too severe for her to be seen.
She’s alive, i had breakfast with her the other day. She’s just hard at work saving the world from people like you....
@@kingrama2727 You're nothing special.
@@seeknprotect6179 special enough to know where Shelly is....
@@kingrama2727 I know where your mom is.
@@seeknprotect6179 cool, say hi to her for me will ya...
"War on the IRS" sounds absolutely amazing.
Awesome interview.
Absolutely fascinating interview, Rinder is an encyclopaedia on Scientology.
Tom cruise is the number one THREAT to Scientology because if he turns on them, they are FINISHED ✅
Mike Rinder is a brave man and is trying his best.
It's very hard to understand how one is brainwashed (even very intelligent people) unless one goes through it himself/herself. Or has dealt with the survivors.