Why I Am Not A Christian Nationalist
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- Christian nationalism is when you think Christianity must be in the business of protecting national boundaries and identities, and that the government must ensure the survival of a specific Christian culture. So some argue the government should ensure the US remains a majority white, Anglo-Saxon culture. This is complete nonsense and contradicts the Gospel!
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I do not see anything wrong with "we protest because as Christians we believe in XXXXXX." That's a big difference than having a goal of a state religion.
Well said.
Honestly I haven’t followed much of the CN ideology, but the little I have heard (mostly Douglas Wilson) was exactly that - that Christians should allow Christianity to inform how they act unapologetically, and not just ‘in the privacy of their homes’, but in voting and governing, too - and should not adopt the model of ‘separation of church and state’ that means you must think and act like an atheist in public matters.
Some (like John Jay and most of the early state constitutions) have gone so far as to suggest that only Christians hold public office, but any attempt to coerce individual theology would certainly be unconstitutional and unbiblical.
Where is the dividing line? Supporting law X is ok but supporting law Y is not and makes you a "Christian Natuonalist."
@@InspiringPhilosophyHi IP,
I am believer in God and I do want to follow Him, because of course He is God. But when I think about hell I actually get discouraged and I feel like giving up. I don't want to serve God out of fear of hell, I want to serve God out of love, that He is my Creator and therefore I love Him. He created the beautiful sun and stars to look on. But hell, makes me sick. My stomach becomes a rope and I feel down :/
Edit: Makes me deeply depressed, I've been depressed for years recently have started to get free.
Mhm, we need to put Christ first and foremost. However, I think there can be room for debate when it comes to which degree we put forward our Christianity even through political decisions and so on. In my humble opinion, we can conform society to Christ's teachings even via secular institutions, but we should remember that we are finite and flawed creatures and need to be wary of handling power.
As Christians, we must remember that Christ’s kingdom is not of this world. Let us have enough faith to understand He is Lord over all, regardless of politics.
Just because Christ's kingdom isn't of this world doesn't me we just let abortion, pornography, drug addiction and homosexuality run rampant. Voting republican and/or converting the whole population isn't going to work. So what is the solution?
The goal isn't building Jesus' kingdom in heaven.
But the goal is to find more efficient ways to make the world STOP burning.
@@fr.Angel21 The world will never stop burning; for as long as man’s heart is turned against God those fires will not be quenched, unless by the Living Water. We are to bring this Water to others to put those fires out. Have faith that God will protect us, and that the Gospel spreads to many more nations.
@@fr.Angel21that goal will fail trust me. What one.need to do is read history and look today world and see what both time share. The best one can do is improve their faith in God and wait for God to bring justice and peace.
@@A.D.540 This take on history ignores the various periods of peace and security that frequently were the result of Christian nations using power to uphold some form of goodness, flawed as it may have been. We are all beneficiaries of Pax Romana, Pax Britannica and Pax Americana.
It seems that, in American culture wars, neither side of the spectrum really captures the essence of the Gospel. Jesus came to bring Divine justice, not social justice. At the same time, He commissioned us to baptize the nations, not claim them as our own. Excellent work.
“My kingdom is not of this world.” John chapter 18
Thats funny, the gospels state jesus taught that the kingdom of god is at hand in Matthew 3 and 4...but suddenly, after jesus failed at everything, NOW its not of this world.
More lies from christians.
@@briannielson1221 Jesus Himself said it is not of this world: John 18:36. And the context of that verse makes it quite clear that the kingdom of God is not a military/political conquest.
Nor will you find any such take on the kingdom of God in the epistles, or the early church fathers.
The idea of Christian Nationalism is a very Western (and mostly American) idea that is born from culture. It puts the cart before the horse in priorities. The social change Christianity brought about was a side benefit to the Christian faith, not the purpose. The purpose was and always is to save souls for the World to come.
It's funny how Christian nationalism at times seems to worry more about laws and policies more than biblical conversion.
If you really want a Christianized nation, quit thinking about political power grabs and legislation, and start praying for opportunities to bear witness to Jesus Christ around others, so that a door may be opened to introduce them to the gospel.
Christ is king and Caesar is not. Imitate Christ and not Caesar. Thanks for the important video.
Christ is King
@@InspiringPhilosophy I'm curious how you feel about the Christian Anarchists on the other end of things: Jacques Ellul, Leo Tolstoy, Simone Weil, Dorothy Day and so on. Maybe a good video idea?
@@InspiringPhilosophy Ave Christus Rex
Gullible religious person
I am an absolute monarchist.
And a Christian. Christians should evangelize. We can do politics, but Jesus did not make a Christian empire. He went to an Empire and shared Christianity with individuals. Which changed the Empire over hundreds of years. We should be Christians.
Technically, I am a monarchist as well, but the only king is Christ. We should never set up another king because God said that is to reject Him. 1 Samuel 8:7 says, "And the Lord said to Samuel, “'Obey the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them.'"
@@InspiringPhilosophy
“For Christians above all men are not permitted forcibly to correct the failings of those who sin. Secular judges indeed, when they have captured malefactors under the law, show their authority to be great, and prevent them even against their will from following their own devices: but in our case the wrong-doer must be made better, not by force, but by persuasion. For neither has authority of this kind for the restraint of sinners been given us by law, nor, if it had been given, should we have any field for the exercise of our power, inasmuch as God rewards those who abstain from evil by their own choice, not of necessity.”-Saint John Chrysostom (347AD - 407AD)
By the way IP, when you going to read John Zizioulas’ Eucharist, Bishop, Church? I know it’s on your reading list. Hehe
Why do you believe monarchy a superior form of structure, or governance?
@@InspiringPhilosophydemocracy is evil and was made to turn people to Satan
@Archeidos-Arcana If the King is Christ, there is no argument. Led by a perfect loving, holy King. The defense rests.
politics brings out the worst in me (absolute smoldering hatred toward and dehumanization of others for voicing their silly, undercooked opinions that they happen to have at one point in their life) and it's one of the things that I feel Christ rescued me from and so I feel gross bringing faith anywhere near politics... but also I don't like being anywhere near politics myself, so. I'm still gonna vote but for the other 3 years and 364 days in-between I'm gonna avoid that stuff like the plague.
I'll join you!
My only issue part of me felt the stress relief of walking away letting christ just take care.
But then I realized all that means is letting evil run rod shod.
Why is there so many issues.
I'll give u a couple reasons.
How many people don't vote for the exact idea that politics anti christ or that it's drama. Or whatever other reason.
Obvious there. Is no reason for violence and drama.
But remember when we as America fought for people's opinion and all voted with American pride.
This country hit a golden age in human growth and achievement. Sparked by Christians fighting for a country where we can all have a say.
Now here we are 300 years later and christians want to unplug from it as it's seen as worldly.
Let me ask.
God calls us to take care of the world.
If you don't take part how do u have any say in whatever dmg is cuased.
I can't turn away from the wrong in world.
I.p said it well. But if u turn away u invite your own peril
@@r.a.panimefan2109 Like I said I'll still vote in an informed manner, but I'm done letting myself be agitated until I'm ready to fight someone. It can't be healthy for the soul to carry around that kind of hate.
The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.
George Washington
Michael Jones is truly a treasure to us. This dude is so wise and kind. He's a massive credit to Christianity.
You are too kind.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Hey, Zoroastrian here. Although I feel your first video trying to explain away Zoroastrianism's influence on Christianity disrespected my religion, and thus I was mad, your video on ancient monotheism more than made up for it, as there, you actually gave Mazdayasna respect, and actually influenced my views somewhat. So can you make a video where you share your thoughts on Zoroastrian philsosiphy? I follow an egalitarian sect of Zoroastrianism called Mazdakism, which teaches communism (Yes, a communist revolution in the ancient world), ethical hedonism, and free sex.
@@InspiringPhilosophyIP man!
@@TheMilitantMazdakiteI have never encountered a Zorastarian on social media before. Glad to hear from you ❤😊
@@TheMilitantMazdakitehad to search up what that was 💀
I never saw the temptations that way before. Really interesting
Thank you
@@InspiringPhilosophy you make me sick. your claim that "nation should be Christain not through politics and culture wars but through Evangelism" is a failed idea, years and years of Evangelical work is in trash as Christainity keeps declining, this is only because of indoctrination of secular ideals in schools, colleges, syllabus and workplace, such can be stopped only if Christains hold power and ditch secularism. They will keep mocking you if you don't confront them for their Blasphemy.
This coming from a catholic makes me feel awful. Catholicism always opposed secularism and wanted power to be with christain leader and the apostolic church, so much so that liberalism is considered a heresy in catholicism.
Maybe it's different in the USA, but I can say that I am a Polish nationalist and a Catholic. Nationalism does not mean chauvinism, it is love for one's nation. Faith and the church were very important to Poles in the worst moments of our history. Our country was free from religious wars and religious persecutions and many saints and blesseds fought for a free Poland. Of course, in my community, we put salvation first, but the nation is also a very important idea for us.
I'm Catholic and a cultural nationalist for my nation, but I think a difference is that American Protestants /Evangelicals are often focused on Old Testament laws. Christian nationalism in America seems more about creating a theocracy through the legal system, which will regulate everyone's personal lives resulting in things like prohibition as mentioned in the video
@@realitywins9020 you’re acting like prohibition was wrong
Poland is a good example of Christian nationalism
I think you might be confusing Nationalism and Patriotism. Nationalism does mean support for your nation above, and often at the expense of, all others. Patriotism is the word for what you are describing.
@@thomasthellamas9886 It was. The minimum allowable alcohol in commodities was so low that some food products had to be reformulated and processed to reduce the alcohol content. The broader Women's Temperance Movement was about moderating alcohol consumption, not an outright ban as the Volstead Act established.
As Christians, it is our job to make the willing choice more appetizing. Don't seek positions full of corruption. Seeking instead to grow closer to God and to wherever His will may take you.
Not more apetizing, truthfully share the gospel is enough, it either sinks in or it doesnt.
Its not up to us to make things more apetizing.
@lebell79 and here I thought InspiringPhilosophies was making it pretty appetizing again. Much more so than what someone would get in year going to Joel Osteen services on a Sunday.
I have to respectfully disagree with making it more appetizing. The Truth of the gospel is recognizing our desperate need of a savior because we all are in fact, wretched sinners. It should bring conviction and make us so UNcomfortable, that we have no choice but to be willing to become born again. Leaving the old sinful man in the grave. Godliness is not gain. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
I understand what you're saying tho. I too mistakenly believed this, and for decades. It wasn't until I took the time to read it for myself, setting everything I thought I knew or had been told, aside. Something most Christians just simply don't do cause we think we already know. The first four gospels are a fairly quick read too, that everyone should take the time to do. Then read it again. Followed by the rest of the NT, then the old. If we really want to know The Truth, then we have to become intimately familiar with His words, what He taught, and what He said. Which can only be found by first reading the four gospels of the NT. Respectfully..
@springrain9438 I have to respectfully disagree with your interpretation of my statement. I am saying we have to be willing to pull the plank from our own eye before pointing at their's.
that's christian nationalism lol
This is such a powerful case against Christian Nationalism! God doesn’t respect national boundaries, which are just imaginary lines we draw in the dirt. This also extends to people. When we label someone as gay, or black or trans or illegal immigrant, these are also just more imaginary lines that we draw in the dirt. The lord commands us to love.
thanks for another upload ip
'Jesus would want us to give blasphemers, subversives, pornographers, atheists, LGBT-peddlers and amoral maniacs free rein to rule our society and its institutions.'
No, I think you'll find the Son and the Apostles affirmed the simple yet profound and far-reaching dictum:
"You shall purge the evil from your midst." -- Deuteronomy 24:7
Jesus did not dethrone Caesar when He was still on earth. I guess Jesus failed by your own standards.
@@retrictumrectus1010
The Christians who followed Christ's teachings eventually prevailed over Rome and dethroned Caeser, as Scripture said they would:
Revelation 5:9-10:
"And they sang a new song, saying,
“Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,
and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth.”"
Whoops you missed a bit....
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU*" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
(*ie from among the church he was writing to)
@@ConsideringPhlebasthey did it by converting Ceaser
Im not a Christian Nationalist either.
Same question as last time: IP has rightly spoken out against child-marriage. Christian morality forbids such a thing. Is it Christian Nationalism to make child-marriage illegal and to punish those who attempt to do it?
No 🤦♀️
Yes, CN is about running a country God’s way so a 54 year old would not be able to fiddle with or marry a 6 year old in CN.
That would be an enforcement of Christian values which IP stated in this video he’s totally against.
Bud, you are strawmanning IP. By your logic every country is a Christian Nationalist for outlawing murder... which is an absurd conclusion... and obviously IP is not talking about that.
That's the point, and the key question he never addresses. If every country is going to have SOME elements of Christian morality in its laws, then where is the line? At what point does it cross into Christian nationalism and why? That's the obvious key question, and he never touches it.
Great work! I use to think the way of a Christian Nationalists. I was angry and anxious all the time. I hated the opposite side. Then God woke me up… I realized I didn’t have relationship with Jesus. My religion was politics. My Bible was the news. My savior was whomever was running for office. My promise land was America. Now I understand the bigger picture of the Kingdom of God. I just want to help lead people to Jesus now. The way, the truth, and the life ✝️❤️👑
This is very true. Thank you for your testimony.
You changed my perspective, thank you Inspiring Philosophy.
IP, I gotta say, this is the first video I disagree with you on, and I value your work very much.
It makes no sense not to want a nation that has Christian values and law in place. The whole reason people want that is not to have an "easy way" to evangelize, but to protect people as a whole.
I would think protecting lives through means of reducing detrimental lifestyles, taking away the ability to kill your own children or grandparents, and raising men and women to accept who they are properly would be a part of the Great Commission.
I want a nation that has Christian values, that is not Christian nationalism. Christian nationalism is when you think Christianity must be in the business of protecting national boundaries and identities, and that the government must ensure the survival of a specific Christian culture. This contradicts the Gospel!
@@InspiringPhilosophyThat's not even close to Christian Nationalism. Christian states are the best states possible on earth and Christ commanded the discipleship of the nations. The religion of Jesus is very much involved in politics.
@InspiringPhilosophy I don't understand how either of those are a bad thing, too. If a nation was *prioritizing* the lives of Christians and not everyone else, yes, that would be bad. If a nation was trying to preserve the culture of something trivial and idol-like such as racial or ethnic culture, yes that would be VERY bad and lead to bad consequences if in the wrong hands of government, but I don't understand what is wrong with preserving a Christian culture; one that upholds the dignity of all of God's creation and not just those that voted a certain way once every 4 or 8 years or so. At the end of the day, government can influence more than just law and authority; it can influence education, social programs, and the outlook one has on their fellow countrymen. It's certainly not the end-all influence, but it would help steer people closer to having a better understanding and relationship to Christianity. How exactly do you see the Gospel being forced upon people? Prohibition is one thing, but that feels like a cautionary tale for governments as a whole on what vices should be controlled and what shouldn't.
I'm just a bit confused. I want to see the danger you see in Christian Nationalism but I just don't see it.
Maybe my definition is skewed on the topic and what I want is different from what I think it is again, but those two examples still confuse me as to why they're inherently bad.
Josh Sketch if you want that, then evangelise don't campaign for a political office. As unchanged hearts will find ways to do what you prohibit in law. Evangelise
@@TheLocalChurchExperience Is there a reason you can't do both?
Thank you for your content
99% of the conversations on Christian Nationalism DO NOT start with scripture. I am glad that you do so here!
"My kingdom is not of this world." -Jesus to Pilate.
I appreciate and hope that more intellectual Christians rise up and show by example not by force, you will know them by their works
I wish people remembered the last part more.
Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded prospect.
James Madison
This is an important message, thanks for the high intellectual quality of your work.
Firstly, it depends how one defines "Christian Nationalism" considering that there is growing anti-Christian sentiments who view and promote Christians as anti-democracy authoritarian terrorist.
But, this nation is founded on Christian principles which led to the US becoming the most successful nation in history.
In turn, it is the anti-Christian elements who are demonstrably violent authoritarian and anti-constitution.
If we define "Christian Nationalism" as a state which promotes Christian values through nonviolent means, recognizing that God is sovereign and the moral authority, then it's citizens can see the value of the Christian perspective and freely of their own volition, come to Christ.
The problem, as I see it, is allowing others to define Christianity through a secular, worldly lens.
Not Christianity as Truth, but Christianity as just another man-made religion used to control, suppress and enslave.
Mike is smart, a great apologist and educator, but I feel, in this regard, he's feeding into the globalist anti-Christian agenda by accepting their definition of "Christian Nationalism".
God Bless
Mike is parroting talking points from the first half of the 20th century
I think he gave a decent definition of why he does not see it as a viable solution. I think the real issue is how often modern 'Christian nationalism' puts nationalism first, or at best uses Christianity as a political tool, almost as a shield or blunt weapon. I am sure there are ways to reconcile the love of one's people with the Love that calls us all in ways that prioritise Truth above all, God above all.
I personally agree with him, not because i have been fed up anti-christian propaganda, but because i have seen people create their own political messiah, and transform the gospel from we must spread the Kingdom of God, to we must protect USA using the gospel. I don't believe in Christian nations, i believe in nations where people are truly Christian independantly of whether the nation was built on Christians Value or Not, and Christian nationalism as i have witnessed is idolatry, they look at political parties with the same regard they look as Christ, and i think i have read enough in the Bible, it is never a good thing to try to force God to share his throne with something or someone else as he is unmatched. So no i don't agree on building a nation with Christian values as the objective or a non negotiable step to evangilism. Idk if the whole USA culture and political power fully turn secular, this should not be seen as a nightmare as Christianity started and thrived in a very hostile setting, so this should not be a problem. If they get hostile they will never be as hostile as the times when we were persecuted, and if we do get persecuted again, then we just have to keep spreading the glory of Christ, suffering has always being expected when following Christ anyway.
@MathewDRhys ,
I don't think so.
It seems Mike is basing his views on the modern secular iteration of Christian Nationalism as seen with modern-day Russia used as a means to demonize Putin.
Christians have a voice. We live in societies that depend on politics to create principalities as the means of governess.
Just look at how the new House Speaker is being attacked, as is anyone who openly and unashamedly displays the faith even though no politician can be successful without professing religion.
The youth of this nation agree more with Islam than Christianity despite Islam's view on homosexuality.
We've allowed the secularist to dictate how our faith should be defined and exercised.
As such, I see no alternative but to take corrective action.
I just think Mike should be more balanced.
I believe you are missing the point, OP. The point IP wants to hammer is that Christianity is not to be enforced through cultural or political means, but rather through evangelism of each individual -- because it is the only way for a person to have a proper knowledge of God.
If I understand your essay correctly, you believe the problem is cultural; that Christianity is viewed negatively and defined through secular definitions; however, our goal is not to make Christianity be viewed positively by the world, but for people to know Christ. Cultural means can help with that goal, but if we lose sight and make fighting the 'globalists' our primary goal, we have gone astray.
This was very heartwarming
I argued with you before thinking you were a religious zealot, but after watching your videos your actually the coolest religious person on TH-cam even thought i consider myself and atheist i really enjoy your content...
Thank you.
Not even coolest Christian . Coolest religous person ?
I'd agree also 😊
Once again, as made clear on the livestream by people in the chat, it's absolutely imperative to realize that not everyone defines the term Christian nationalism the same way. Inability to do so is borderline intellectually dishonest.
Just because people define it wrong doesn’t mean we it’s dishonest to ignore them.
@@turkleton4783Exactly. And if the people who call themselves Christian Nationalists consistently behave in a certain way and make statements that imply some other belief, it's dishonest of them to pretend those things shouldn't be part of the definition.
Then only focus on the type I’m attacking. You can’t get mad at someone if they attacked Christian Science (the cult) by saying you think Christian scientific research is great.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Two rebuttals to that: the first is that we are stepping dangerously close to what the woke/liberal crowd does, which is group everyone up without any desire for nuance. In fact, they are using the term "Christian nationalism" in order to group up everyone who in some form, believes in Christianity and some kind of patriotism together into one. In some sense, we are playing into their hand. These are the same kind of tactics they have used for years such as how they always seem to use "right wing" as a deragotary labeling.
Secondly. the difference between Christian Science and Christian scientific research is a well known, now historical thing. The problem with the term "Christian nationalism" is that it's a generally new designation leaving it very open for opponents to do what they wish it, as in my first rebuttal.
@@InspiringPhilosophyUr using a generalised new term to focus on a minority position. It's similar to atheists attacking Christianity and focusing only on the Westboro baptist church. .
John 15:15
I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.
God bless you Mike Jones
Do you have any ideas for alternatives? While im no fan of christian nationalism? What's the alternative to a failing secular world? Do you just lay down and die? How do you fight back with evangelism with people like the ffrf suing schools for praying and intimidating them to stop? How do you fight for christianity in an alternative way?
Part of the problem is that you're viewing the goal as winning combat, rather than bringing peace. You're ignoring the examples of the saints in Rome, who calmly went out to the lions praising Christ after relinquishing their power and wealth to the needy. Yes, we are supposed to lay down and die, because Christ is already victorious over death and sin. Actually have some faith.
Existential crisis, huh?
We are a secular nation so that everyone has the freedom to believe or not believe. If you force religion, you are going to create conflict instead of peace!
Jones literally said, we are allowed to wage cultural wars and political means but they come second to evangelism.
@andrewmiller159 well put, and I’d like to add, having a “Christian” nation would be detrimental to some Christians regardless of which church would be the “official” one. Catholics have different beliefs from Orthodox, who have different beliefs from Baptists who have different beliefs from Pentecostals, or Methodists, or Mormons or Jehovas Witnesses. The only truly fair government would be a secular one that is religiously neutral and allows for people of all faiths, or none, to live their beliefs as they see fit… like we theoretically have now.
Don't agree. You can easily implement christian principles and values in a political or cultural system. That has been done and has worked wonderfully with the foundation of USA.
That is not Christian nationalism. Of course we will implement Christian principles and values in a political or cultural system. That does not entail you are a Christian nationalist.
Christian nationalism is when you think Christianity must be in the business of protecting national boundaries and identities, and that the government must ensure the survival of a specific Christian culture. So someone like Nick Fuentes or Stephen Wolfe thinks the government should ensure the US remains a majority white, Anglo-Saxon culture.
@@InspiringPhilosophy it gets more interesting when we dwell into the precise meaning of a Christian nationalism. But I don't separate the Great Commandment and applying everything that is Christian in your daily lives, chores, politics and business. I think that's part of the Great commandment - not only to proclaim that Jesus is Lord but to live out Christianity every single minute with every single decision and action.
@@InspiringPhilosophy I'm not sure I agree with everything Stephen Wolfe says, but he is NOT a Nick Fuentes type character. Maybe I have missed the ethno-nationalist portion of Wolfe's writing. I have not read his book, but I have read some excerpts online. If he is in any way like Nick Fuentes, then I'll join you in condemning him, but if he simply thinks that white people deserve to be protected from ethnic discrimination like other ethnicities, then I think you are mislabeling him.
@@InspiringPhilosophyThat's an ethnic nationalist who is Christian not a Christian nationalist
@@InspiringPhilosophy You literally defined at the beginning of the video that Christian nationalism is the belief that our laws should be based on Christian principles, and then said this was a bad thing.
It is also a false assumption that Christian nationalism would force everyone to go to church and actually be a Christian. It basically just means that Christian principles would be the moral basis for the nation's laws. What would you have as an alternative basis? Secular humanism?
I am a Christian nationalist and I work with the current discourse
IP is libertarian, maybe even anarchist? and doesn't believe in the government or that politics should ever mix with religion, that said libertarians aren't exactly right as not everyone can be assumed to be a rational agent s.t. you can't just ignore political power. he thinks there's a "third way" besides Christ or chaos. I simply disagree.
also many anti christian nationalists hold/believe that christian nationalism --> crusades, inquisition, etc
I love how he makes the proposition that enforcing Christian values isn’t a good idea, so let’s have the satanic liberals enforce their values instead. Great idea IP!
Would slavery have been abolished without secular humanism??
@@aallen5256would it have been abolished without Christianity?
In what way, shape or form are "Christian principles" the basis for any government ANYWHERE? I've never seen such a thing. Also, we need to first define what Christian principles even are. That seems to differ widely.
Are "Christian values" - "judge not, lest you be judged", or "love your neighbor as thyself", or "turn the other cheek", or is it more along the lines of "spread hatred against LGBTQ, fight 'the woke' and enforce 'family values' in the way fundamentalists cherry pick them from the Bible"?
While it's fair to admit there are multiple definitions of "Christian Nationalism" at play, and it can be a boogie man of the left... this video was amazing, and possibly your best so far! 1 one 1 is the way to win others for Christ, which if we put effort there, and make disciples, the culture will change as a result.
I don't think Christian Nationalism means forcing religion on unbelievers, just that all legislation is based on some form of morality and we should seek to have a Christian Nation. It is not a conflation of the two kingdoms, but rather a proper understanding of the second kingdom, the magistrate. God ordains rulers in the bible and has authority over civil government. That doesn't mean that we should have a theocracy, as that would be a conflation of the earthly and spiritual kingdoms, but it does mean we shoud work for a just society based on the values we profess to believe.
Do you support a Monarchy?
@@annemarieflynn9256 I have complex feelings about monarchy. My problems with earthly monarchy are mainly a matter of checks and balances. I see the main problems with monarchy come from a king’s personal sin, his mortality, and his ignorance of his people’s needs. The only king that is perfect, immortal, and all knowing is God, so he rightly is King of all creation.
A system that takes those things into account could function well for a time, but as we are seeing in the Church Rome a king with the power to install sycophants into the positions that elect his successor can quickly devolve into an irreformable mess. Sort of like a political inbreeding. So while I see the draw of a good king the risk of a tyrant isn’t worth it in my mind. Governmental systems need to actively fight against corruption inherent in human nature, which I think the American experiment did a good job with- for a time.
So in short, if there were a way to ensure only good kings could rule: yes. Otherwise, no and we should make use of whatever system has the best mechanism for excising corruption from itself and guaranteeing justice for its citizens.
@@TheRoark That's always been my thought too.
The problem is that the people who explicitly call themselves Christian Nationalists consistently behave in a certain way and use rhetoric that implies specific ideas, which they exclude from their self-definition. Mike's definition takes those facts into account.
@@TheRoarkThat's why I lean minarchist. Devolve power to the lowest levels possible. Do everything you can at the local level, anything that cannot be done at that level do at the state level, and anything that cannot be done there do at the national level. This is, in my view, the system most resistant to corruption.
I don't know Michael. I think this take might be a miss.
Romans 13:4 says "For he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.", then John 19:11 says "Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”
So are we not called to obey our rulers in so far as God has deemed that ruler have authority? and does it not follow that if we disciple the nations, a ruler with Christian values would ascend to a governmental office? I understand that to be Christian Nationalism. Therefore I'm content to label myself as such.
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
Stop twisting scripture and just obey it
You cannot serve two masters, my loyalty is to God and to God alone.
That may be true but it's still considered an opinion. No one will follow that scripture in this nation.
I wouldn’t necessarily call myself a Christian Nationalist but this is a very poor representation of Christian Nationalism.
Ok, and what is it that you disagree with?
@@opticalraven1935Christian nationalism is not about making people Christian. No one can do that but God. That’s what IP got wrong.
@@opticalraven1935 The video makes claims that Christian Nationalists believe that change only comes through political and cultural change. Every Christian Nationalist I have heard from denies this. They say that the goal is to renew the nation through changed hearts through the gospel. It is a bottom up endeavor, not a top down.
@@andrewjhowellthe behavior of most Christian nationalists leave much to be desired tbh
Christian Nationalism is a poor representation of the new testament.
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
I fully disagree. We MUST take over the government and change laws and regulations in every aspect to reflect christian principles. Nobody is talking about forced conversions, everybody, and I do mean everybody understands that forced conversions are not real conversions, but we must take charge of the world, and guide it according to the principles that God laid out for us in the Bible. That is actually our duty, because Jesus told us to make disciples of all the nations, but guess what, all the nations are in constant need of re-conversion too, we need missions in foreign countries but we must also constantly re-evangelize ourselves as well, because secular powers will do their utmost to take away our power from us, and that will result in less effective evagelization due to a lack of access to resources.
And yes what I described is what Christian Nationalism is, not your conspiracy theory version.
I hope you don't mind me partially disagreeing with your position... and that I am (mostly) in agreement with IP.
There is a point I have to agree with you though, and that is the fact that IP failed to recognize how people interpret the term "Christian Nationalism" differently, and thus failed to clarify the description of Christian Nationalism he is talking about. A simple sentence "The Christian Nationalism I am talking about is..." would have been nice. It'd also have been nice if IP shows if the exact "Christian Nationalism" he is talking about is widespread or not, instead of just relying on an ambiguous label and expecting everyone to have the same definition.
That said though, like IP, I disagree with your idea of taking over governments to enforce laws. I am glad that we are both on the same page regarding forced conversion, but still I disagree that there is a need to go into government and enforce laws...
Firstly, you quoted the great commission to make disciples out of all nations to justify your position, but I believe you are misusing that quote for your purpose. A question that needs to be asked is... what does "make disciples" mean? I don't think it means imposing laws onto unbelievers; but instead it is spreading the gospel directly to the individuals, which is what IP endorses. Laws can stop people from doing evil actions, but laws can't change people's heart... Regulations can only fix people's superficial actions but not their hearts; and unfortunately it's not what people superficially do that saves their soul, but belief in God. Furthermore, I don't think "nation" in that context is talking about political entities with national borders the way we imagine when we hear the word today, considering that the word in the original Greek language is ἔθνη (ethne); thus instead it is talking about tribes, ethnicities, groups, etc. -- so this is talking about not just spreading the Gospel to the Jews but also the Greek and everyone else. With that in mind, I don't think the great commission is talking about guiding nation states using laws, nor should it be misused to justify that idea.
Secondly, it is true that depending on the government in charge of a country, evangelism may become more difficult. That said, I believe the focus still needs to be on evangelism instead of changing the country's government. You are concerned about the secular taking away power from us; but if we look at our predecessors, the apostles from the Bible, they were politically powerless and yet they were successful in doing their jobs. They were spreading the gospel inside the Roman Empire, a very oppressive regime; and yet they were not focused on taking over Roman governments to make their job easier, but simply on spreading the gospel to the common people despite the persecutions they face. I think I like the way John Piper puts what I want to say: "We should be more passionate with spreading the gospel in a communist America rather than preventing the commmunization of America." That said, of course we Christians can participate in politics; but if we focus too much on politics I believe we have gone astray.
I find it interesting however, that when talking about enacting laws, your concern for evangelism is "lack of resources"; is your idea to expect governments to provide resources to missionaries? Because I believe that is the job of churches, not the government; just like how the church I am in is funding missionaries to spread the gospel in various countries.
"...everybody understands that forced conversions are not real conversions" - oh yeah, including conversion therapy to make gay people straight?
@@Anonymous-jo2no Disagreement is fine, but I also disagree with you. Freedom should not be an excuse for slacking our duties, it's in fact a tool to achieve them.
"taking charge and ruling the world" is a direct contradiction to anything Christian. 😂 Honestly, the mental gymnastics are astonishing.
Agree with the bible...
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
This may seem like an insignificant thing to comment for, but this video helped me to rationalize my view on the subject. I don't know for how long -- years, probably -- but I've had this interesting question rattling around in my head about "if I focus on this thing as something which I think may be good for me, would God think that it is good for me?" It always left me wondering, and not acting. Over time, I became so indecisive and hesitant to behave normally, that I began asking the question about less and less important things, or during increasingly inappropriate situations. It made me feel like I was becoming useless and incapable of doing anything. At some point, I began to ask "what's with this question?" Not so much because I was curious about what it meant, I don't think, but because I just began wondering why I had bothered asking it so much. I got tired of it. I'm at the point where I'm getting a little desperate for help, and I think that, somehow, this was an answer to a prayer that I made. It felt like the Lord answered it, through you in this video. Thanks for doing His work, and keep it up. Good people are waiting for more.
A lot of straw men, muddied water, and switching categories here.
We should make him debate Erhan Or Dyer, maybe E Michael Jones.
Heres a lot of bible...
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
@@annemarieflynn9256or we should just obey the bible...
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
What’s your opinion on bills of abolition when it comes to abortion?
I think you're well intentioned, and I respect your desire to spread the Gospel. That being said, I don't think you can make a biblical argument that protecting national boundaries and striving to preserve one's history, language, and people is sinful or bad. No country in history has become more peaceful or unified by importing multiple ethnicities. Doing so inevitably leads to greater social conflict and loss of trust than if the country remained homogenous. I think your argument also doesn't acknowledge the reality that a government always imposes a set of values on its citizens. Those values will be either good or bad. So why not use that power to enforce Christian morality, which we know produces a better society? Sure, some people will obey the law simply out of fear instead of a changed heart, but would you rather have that or a complete lack of morality like the US has today?
You seem like a racist . You have a problem with multiple ethnicities coming together? What do you think heaven is going to be like ? All white ? Smh 🤦🏾♂️
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
Also try googling 'list of bible verses about immigration'
So in other words don’t bother voting in a way that’s compatible with your faith, don’t bother changing the culture/ popular opinion, by using your gifts to promote your faith in Christ. Etc etc. absolutely frivolous argument here. If your post mill, which you claim to be, then you should believe we should be Christianizing society through ALL MEANS not JUST “EVANGELIZING”
That is not what Christian nationalism is. Voting based on your values is what everyone does.
@@InspiringPhilosophy forced conversions isn’t Christian nationalism either as you imply
Here's it in other words. The Bible's.
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
Excellent. It resonates with great examples and explanations. ❤
I consider myself a Christian nationalist, and I think you make a lot of good points. Though CN ranges from simple founding father conservatism to a new Holy Roman Empire (I know you mainly define it toward the later). I would value your input on where the intersection between Christianity and politics should be. Somewhere we have gotten off that train, and we need to back track without overshooting things with a HRE.
I know you are asking IP, but I want to throw in my 2 cents.
The line is very simple because it was drawn by God when He set up a theocracy with Israel.
In that case He allowed nonBelievers to live with the Jews and even told the Jews to treat them well in remembrance of they were once the strangers living in and wandering through unBelievers land.
The unBelievers were treated well and were not forced to live under religious regulations such as circumcision, they could intermarry with one another, they could eat what they wanted, the could mix fabrics, they were not required to make sacrifices, go to the temple, participate in the Holy feasts, etc. all of which religious in nature.
However, they did have to abide by the moral laws such as laws on property rights, murder, theft, vandalism, assault, etc.
The same would apply under Christian nationalism. The laws, punishments, and judicial system would be designed under Biblical standards for all.
But religious practices would not be forced. So nonBelievers would not be forced to go to church, would not be forced to pray, would not be forced to follow Christian Holy Days, etc.
Christian nationalism just protects and preserves Christian standards and recognizes God as the head of the country and the Bible as the law of the land.
@stst77 This is the ideal outcome I long to see. Of course, as the video rightly points out individual conversion is the core component and first cause of such a constitution. This is where the Founders dropped the ball: we could have had a significantly better outcome had the Preamble to the US Constitution simply stated "We the people of the United States, under the Sovereign Lordship of Jesus Christ, do ordain and establish..."
HRE was not christian nationalism, it was theocracy at worst and monarchist at best - divine right to rule isn't real, the RC has no authority
@@stst77it's interesting to hear people talk about "Christian standards" or "Christian values" when talking about Christian nationalism. I wonder what they think are Christian values?
Is it - "don't judge lest ye be judged", or "love your neighbor as thyself", or is it "we need to eradicate 'the woke' and outlaw LGBTQ as well as abortion and we need to enforce 'family values' on everyone".
How come the US supposedly are based on "Christian values" when in fact you have 1 percent of the people owing more than half the wealth of the country? Is anything about the US system "Christian" at all? BTW - that's the same issue in other countries, it's not limited to the US. My own country (Germany) often made those claims, "we are based on Christian values", when all I see in politics is corruption, protecting the "1 percent", not raising wages since the 70's and in general lying and stealing from the citizens. No country I know of is actually based on "Christian values".
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
CN is a Christian political theory not a replacement to the Gospel. If the contradiction is that CNs have replaced the gospel with CN then I would be in agreement, but that is not the case. The government has a duty to its people to rule justly and promote good and punish the wicked. Christians should pray and hope for that. As far a culture, I do not see why it is wrong to seek to preserve a culture as long as their is no sin. Would like to see more explanation on that point.
It is a replacement of the Gospel. Instead of changing people's lives through changing their hearts, it attempts to do so by changing their minds and their politics. It's using earthly means to do what only the Holy Spirit working in people's lives can do.
The OT was a culture war. Also, IP, what is your opinion of Saint Constantine the Great and Saint Justinian the great in this respect? I would also suggest reading the base of the social concept by the ROC. and what are your opinions on the Byzantine church and state symphonia? In my opinion, the entire reason that everyone is in this "post Christian" state is because we moved away from Christian nationalism in the first place, starting in the French revolution and even earlier. Atheism should not be the default. I respect you a lot IP but I disagree with you on this matter. I would suggest not limiting christian nationalism to just the last few 100 years
It has never ended well in the last 2000 years when the Church and the government were united...
@@chris-nj3vg I, a non-denominational Protestant, prefer the Inquisition of the Roman Catholics than the current secular government. Yes this was bad, but we are thousands of times worse in terms of killing millions of babies a year.
@@chris-nj3vgThe Easten Roman Empire lasted over 1000 years.
@@chris-nj3vgand how are things going now? Complete and utter chaos, with sin and debauchery everywhere.
@@chris-nj3vg not really. Literally all of eastern Europe. Stop putting Protestant presuppositions about catholic history on orthdox and other denominations. Because we have a different history. Read Konstantin pobedenostev and his writings Reflection of a Russian statesman. And the church and state symphonia (basis of the social concept by the ROC) of you actually want to know what I'm talking about.
Bro you gotta debate Andrew from the Crucible about this. Great video man
"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them"
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I'm going to file this one under when you're right you're right.
Hey Mike long time Lurker on your channel. I already saw this video and my comment has nothing to do with the video, but i know you will see this. I wanted to thankyou. Your teaching on here has allowed me today to possibly convert my friend who is a logician. Your work has allowed me to grow as a Christian in knowledge. My shield of Faith (Pistus) is now a great wall that others seek refuge with. I have been witness to your work in Gods Kingdom may His will be done.
At 4:14 you say Christian Nationalists think it would be better if Christians 'sieze' positions in government and the culture. Name 5 prominent figures who advocate for 'seizing' power. As near as i can tell there are many more active anti-christian Nationalists than actual Christians Nationalists. I can't shake the feeling that much the rhetoric is performative. A way of saying I'm not an icky Christian the world is prejudiced against I'm a good Christian and we can all get along. I've bad news for you by a radical Marxist's standards YOU are a Christian Nationalist. I'm not sure if you are by your own definition because you never give a detailed one.
You have stated what I was thinking way better than I ever could, this seems so performance, what reality are those complaining about Christian nationalism living in?
Do they advocate this?...
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
Christian Nationalists when Jesus still doesn't return because they've reverted to when Christianity was a state religion and everyone followed because they were expected to so it was rarely genuine faith, thereby leaving the Great Commission still incomplete: 😮
Ive never heard someone say they were a christian nationalist because they want Jesus to return by filfillment of the great commision. Ive only every heard it as our values should be what the government runs on and not secular atheist values
Well said. th-cam.com/video/-t1ggukifT8/w-d-xo.html
Even spreading Christianity by conquering other lands didn't create true followers. Being a follower of Christ can't happen through force.
It's typically easier to evangelise to "de-Churched Christians" than to those who have no prior connection with the Church, at least in my country.
Another excellent analysis, and I agree with your general principles, however, more needs to be said. I know the label is not used, but I think there is an underlying drive of globalism among what could be called "progressive" Christians that also seeks to change national politics and subjugate them to some kind of ideal which is ultimately also idolotrous against Christ. There seems to be a kind of "Christian Globalism." And that is also dangerous.
The difficulty for us in this national experiment of representative democracy is how far should Christians just evangelize while globalist and secular immoralities wreak destruction against the very representative democracy that allows for that evangelism. Should Christians let the civic rights we currently have burn in the name of only evangelizing and letting cancel culturalists have the only civic power?
Borders don't have to be enforced to protect Christians only, maybe they should be protected to preserve this experiment of government by constitutional law founded on legitimate representative democracy.
We may not need to be Christian Nationalists, but should we submit to the amorphous hordes of disrespectful non-law honoring immigrants and mal-informed globalists with no clear principles other than tolerance for all except those with conserving notions?
Simply protecting borders is not nationalism in any form. Nationalism is the idea that your own country is superior to all others. Patriotism also isn't nationalism. Every one who has citizenship of a certain country, regardless of his heritage or religion, can be a patriot. I think there is some confusion going on in the whole debate about the definition of certain words. And not everyone can just say, "oh, for me, nationalism means XYZ." then every debate becomes useless as it's just arguing over semantics.
Blessed are those who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness. For theirs will be the kingdom of heaven. If you are afraid of persecution then you may not be following Christ.
Wow! You just so beautifully articulated my thoughts on the subject. Thank you and God bless you.
Thank God for you. I needed this video so badly. My faith is hanging on by a thread.
With all due respect you’re way off the mark on this one. Your idea of ‘Christian Nationalism’ is flawed leading you to your conclusion. If we are called to make disciples it’s only logical that you’re going to inevitably have Christian Nationalism if you’re successful.
Not at all. I really wonder if people making such a ridiculous claim have ever read the Bible.
No because a truly Christian nation would not have any use for Nationalism.
I am glad that I came across this video, as I am warning brothers and sisters in the West to steer clear of this.
The major issue is that many (not all) in Christian Nationalism are seeking a political savior, and in doing so, they:
- Choose somebody who 'supports their ideals' on the surface, but, get them on camera behind the scenes and they will support openly what you rightly hate.
- Seek to find a political savior who will 'fix all of the worlds issues', not realizing that it is a sin issue that only Jesus can (and has) fixed.
- Place their hopes in talking heads like Qanon (I used to follow religiously... it is a cult and psyop), Trump (not a believer), Tucker Carlson (not a believer), Alex Jones (not a believer) and others, ignoring their fruits (actions) and only standing with them because they use the name Jesus, but misunderstand that they use His name for their own agendas.
- Believe that an XYZ candidate who does and says XYZ right, but stands for and openly supports wicked and degenerate ideologies, is the 'lesser evil' and should be 'voted' for.
Christians in the West (mostly) have been taught a false gospel, not realizing that many use the name Jesus for their own gain and own agendas, and instead of studying His Word outside of other influences, they merely believe what others say about Jesus, teach about Jesus and profess about Jesus, instead of seeing what He says about Himself in His own Word, through His Holy Spirit, and placing our faith firmly in Christ Jesus alone, who never changes, conforms or compromises.
(in my opinion) we are at the doors of the tribulation, and many are falling away to delusions like this one, all in hopes of finding 'that fire' which can only be found in Christ Jesus.
We must use discernment in this hour... it's critical (2nd Timothy 3:1/5).
Good points within but, this term is nearly always used as a pejorative in the US. Seems most people on either side see it as such.
For the most part - this nation was founded on the idea of trying to ensure and preserve individual liberty and freedom while also protecting the innocent and vulnerable. For most all Christians I interact with, (even down south) - this is what they are into - not forcing certain beliefs on anyone against their will.
Not sure exactly how this idea became so popular now days - but I suspect it has something to do with the strategy of belittling people for political leverage.
It is to the point when I see this term I just interpret it to mean something like - "gas light".
Hello ! I really like your videos and they are very clear and concise. Does this mean that the US president 's argument that as a Christian he is against abortion, but as a country they can't make it illegal, is valid? What are your thoughts on that? Thank you
Thank you so much about this Michael Jones. Your videos really helped me, thank you.
Glad to help.
@@InspiringPhilosophy you really helped me and I share some informations coming from you to my friends. And also I learned alot from you so much sir
5:40 You're kinda miss representing what christian nationalism is. I'm actively watching you build a straw man argument.
Tell me why christians should not actively try to influence both the government and Culture?
I like IP but he clearly doesn’t understand CN.
"influence" is a very different thing from Christian nationalism. The new testament is very clear about the difference between the world and the kingdom of God. I simply suggest reading Matthew 20:25-28.
@@stst77I think the people here in the comment section don't know what "nationalism" actually means. Also, they seem to be under the illusion that there ever was a country or government "based on Christian values". That never happened. We all are living in a world where the upper 1 percent own more than half of the wealth - doesn't really matter much were to look, it's the same everywhere. When governments claim "Christian values" I never actually see them acting Christian in any way. The USA never was a Christian nation, neither was any other country. Where exactly are those "Christian values" in the US government right now or at any point in time, no matter who was in charge?
Also - what Christian values even are, differs widely depending on whom you ask.
@@MrSeedi76 You sir don't know anything about Christian Nationalism.
IP what are your thoughts on universalism in terms of legitimacy? Like you I want it to be true, but I’m not so certain if it’s the correct way to think about hell. Thoughts
Hey Michael, could you also talk about the apotropic nature of Psalm 91? That was something Heiser had mentioned.
Have you heard that there are different types of Christian nationalism? Have you listened to Doug Wilson’s description of Christian nationalism? Curious of your thoughts on this.
“the Bible is just a book of fables”- Robert Spencer
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
Doesn't matter what type of Christian Nationalism it is, if any form of it includes it judging people outside of the faith (and note that the greek word for judge is a LEGAL term) then IT IS NOT BIBLICAL
IP: Christian Nationalism bad.
Me: Playing Hearts of Iron IV as The Papal State.
It is always wise to begin with a clear definition of your topic or subject
I think you and Ray from the you tube channel (The evangelical dark web ) should do a debate about this I think you both are level headed Christians and he is for Christian nationalism and you are against it ,I think it would be a great debate . I really like your channel I don’t agree with everything on your channel but still like it and have learned a lot from you .
Who says we would force Christianity on people? Of course our laws would be Christian, but laws always have to be determined by some kind of morality why not the only correct one?
That is not what Christian nationalism is. Christian nationalism is when you think Christianity must be in the business of protecting national boundaries and identities, and that the government must ensure the survival of a specific Christian culture, like white Anglo-Saxon Protestantism.
@@InspiringPhilosophythat's more in the realm of ethno-nationalism, no?
@@InspiringPhilosophyIt would depend on the brand of Christianity that the government would be adhering to and the worrisome thing would be it's internal and societal politics.. It's legislation and laws that it would enforce BASED on its religious beliefs.
Your definition that you give here is not what Christian nationalism is.
@@InspiringPhilosophyyou are not understanding what CN is.
@@stst77no, you aren't understanding what nationalism means.
This video reminded me of why I subscribed to this channel. If the first thing I would have seen from this channel is one of the shorts I have recently viewed here, I don’t believe I would be here listening to this today. I say this out of care that the shorts make you come across smug and unloving, while these types of videos exhibit humility and love.
Im going to start this off by saying im not a Cristian myself, however i do not deny god. I must say this video was beautiful, you all have the freedom to believe what you like, and from my understanding like you stated god will reach out to you if your willing, the key is on your own free will. A religious state would not be of free will, and im glad you are sending that message, this is the type of Christians i love, the ones that understand we dont have to agree and we can still treat each other with love and respect and as human beings not each others enemies. I respect that attitude highly. Because to me that is what it means to be a good person, to understand and realize that we may have difference in opinion difference in life difference in belief but at the end of the day we're all human and we should all love each other and treat each other as human beings with respect and dignity and true compassion above all, If my local churches were like this I'm sure I would go to church, whoever is reading this I hope you have a wonderful day and may love and blessings come your way❤❤
This is fantastic bro
I agree that not forcing christian values on people is biblically accurate. But as someone who has lost friends to Fentanyl that came from our unsecure mexican border, I feel I have to vote for christian nationalists. If you doubt fentanyl is coming over the southern border, a quick google search reveals that they seized over 240,000 pounds of it at the border this year so far. The vast majority of fentanyl is smuggled in from the southern border. And 73,000 people including someone I knew died last year from it. (not to mention the human trafficking that also goes on...)
Supporting christian nationalists is not something we do because we "want to feel safe and prosperous" like you mentioned, but rather we don't want people to die prematurely because of oxycodone pills that are secretly laced with fentanyl.
There's just no way that, as a Christian, I can be complacent and not vote for policies that could have saved my friend's life when he hit rock bottom. He didn't know the drug was laced with fentanyl, and no-one was there to save him. So yes, I consider myself a border supporting "christian nationalist." I agree that legislating morality and forcing christian values on people doesn't work and Jesus did not call us to do that. But most people described as "Christian Nationalists" are not trying to force their values on everyone. They are helping to make sure that people with christian values can remain in government to help save lives, protect children, and protect the unborn.
Edit: just saw your definition of christian nationalism. Probably should have mentioned the definition in the video, since the media describes pretty much the entire maga republican group as Christian nationalists. I agree, Nick fuentes is dispicable.
Fentanyl is not mainly coming over the southern border however. Republicans or any other political party for that matter won't solve the drug problem. They created it.
What policies by Christian nationalists kept/keep fentanyl out of the US again? Locking children in cages? Separating them from their parents? Placing razor wire in the Rio Grande? The fentanyl crisis exploded during the Trump years, and many thousands of people got into the US illegally then too.
Why do people choose to blame foreigners for the flow of drugs and every other evil plaguing the US? Our jails in the US are full of good old fashioned white drug dealers too.
Here in South and Central America people are being decimated by the drug trade (95% of which is bound for the US and Europe). Also, our governments - Democrat and GOP - for hundreds of years up north have fostered tremendous poverty and hardship by overthrowing democratically elected governments and allowing US corporations to exploit workers has had a huge role in creating the situation we find ourselves in today.
The answer to the crisis is to foster development in the countries where so many refugees are coming from, not to build more walls for the cartels to easily defeat. Please also remember that nearly every country south of the US is heavily Christian. And people down here are just as frustrated by the US drug market as Americans are. They don't want to live in a narcostate.
Christian Nationalism is the forbidden fruit that such people want Christians to take a bite out of. But you know what Scripture says, "a little leaven leavens the whole lump." You give them an inch, they'll take the whole mile without you being aware of it. This is priming Christians into accepting an Antichrist-type kingdom where men in power are not only the Christ, but are also opposed to the true Christ. If they can be satisfied with being the Christ on earth, what need have they for the true Christ to come and set up His Kingdom here on earth? They'll end up fighting tooth and nail with the true Christ when He comes to take the world at the end of the age in the battle of Armageddon, and He will slay them with "the sword of His mouth" and bring all the nations to the Valley of Jehoshaphat to judge them, separating them into "sheep" and "goats" to be judged accordingly for how they cared for "the least of the Lord's brethren".
I disagree for reasons longer than a TH-cam comment allows, but thankful for the brotherly response, honoring Christ and His gospel above all. May the Lord give His church, nations, families, and individuals wisdom as we navigate the path ahead.
But the State corrupted the term nation and made people identify their love of homeland with their love of state.
So u would apply ur force to another culture.
Wouldn't christ prefer those cultures to come to him.
Yes he will show with a rod of iron to crush his enemies.
But christ sat with unbelievers.
Pual preached to unbelievers.
Christians are not called to rule.
We r called to try and spread message.
If christ wanted a global theocracy wouldn't he have simple just rose and instead of ascending went into the temple and said ok to any jew who accepts him to go forth as in the times of old and bring low every city
Like Jericho
Killing everyone.
There was plenty of force.
In o.t.
But do u see that. Christ calls for forgiveness something we all have issues with
No one feels more pain for a humans disbelief or even a believers struggle with sin more than God.
God has been betrayed. Had his name drug through the mud.
Then he faced worse sens
Ding his son to watch his chosen people brutalized him.
And he did it all to give the gentiles the chance to believe in him.
What good does it do for God for people to be forced by law to love him.
If anything I'd see it antagonize more people from him.
Do we need to stand against evil. Damn straight
I disagree with your disagreement because bible...
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
IP can you do a video on modern miracle cases? Also it would be nice if you could get Caleb jackson to do that with you
While it doesn't seem like any CN thought leaders would come close to agreeing with your particular view of CN IP, I think this video does show you're digging in and attempting to understand the criticism more. There's some easy strawmen being set up like "force", "enforce", "politics", and "specific Christian culture", but this is a good step in starting the conversation from your in. Would highly recommend you do some live discussions with any of the main CN thought leaders, or direct critiques of CN or theonomic literature. Material is ample
You didn't want to interact with biblical CNs and their statement on Christian Nationalism and the Gospel? Interesting.
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
Christian Nationalism doesn't interact with the gospel.
If there is no god above the state, then the state is god. Pagan nationalism it is.
Very true.
AMEN! Good video !! GOD BLESS YOU.
Thank you for this video. It was hard to find anyone else that can explain this situation well enough. Some people sounded like they just hate Christianity when they explain it.
I think you have a misconception about what Christian nationalism is. At least in my view Christian nationalism isn't about creating some Christian theocracy, holding people at gunpoint and forcing everyone to be Christian.
Abortion is evil therefor we should vote for people and enact laws to prevent abortion. It's that simple. We're not "oppressing" people or "stripping their freedom" by banning abortion. The Bible says anyone that sins is a slave to sin so in reality we're really just lessening the temptation and freeing them. People will still have the free will choice to get an abortion even if it's illegal, but just because you have the free will to do something doesn't mean the thing in question should be promoted in society let alone government sanctioned.
You're basically saying the only way we should try to stop abortion is through evangelism and to converting the whole country into hating abortion. Ok, good luck with that, buddy.
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If you don’t believe in abortion then “don’t get an abortion”.
I wouldn't call that christian nationalism
@@user-xx3jr1nu5s "If you don't believe in murder then just don't murder people, but I do believe in murder so I should be allowed to."
I'm a christian and a nationalist, but not a christian nationalist.
As a paleolibertarian, I believe giving the state the power to do anything will end up corrupting it.
Hoppeanism would be a better way to change the culture towards conservatism (christians in particular could have christian only cities, for example, and they would thrive and spread their values through evangelism).
Good Ideas dont need to be enforced.
I would be against cities that are mandated to be Christian only. I think culturally some cites could just happen to become Christian only as the gospel spreads, but that should not be mandated.
@@InspiringPhilosophyMike it would be interesting to see you do a bit more with Christianity as a case for Limited Govt. The names C.S. Lewis, Honorable Dr Ron Paul and The Mises Institute swirl around in my head.
Is not our Lord in one sense the ultimate Libertarian?
p.s. I disagree with your Eschatology. You remind me of Pastor Doug Wilson, a brilliant guy, but recent disappointment. Still you do outstanding work and I support your efforts!
@@InspiringPhilosophy they wouldnt quite be mandated, just that all members would agree on a set of values to live in said city.
“I believe giving the state power to do anything will end up corrupting it.”
“Christians could have Christian only cities.”
Hmmm…
@@InspiringPhilosophyin the Bible a theocracy doesn’t force a religion on anyone. God allowed nonJews to live in Israel and remain nonJews, and Jews had to treat them fairly and with dignity under Jewish law. The gentiles were not held to the same religious standards such as who they were to marry, not mixing fabrics, dietary laws, sacrifices, ritual cleansing, etc. They were only held to the same moral laws such as laws surrounding property rights, murder, theft, etc.
Under Christian nationalism it would be the same. No one would be forced to go to church, celebrate Easter, pray, be baptized, etc., but the legal system would be run on Christian principles. America started this way and flourished but then went astray.
Loved this today
Great video IP!!!!
This a case of:
- Let the World define your Christian Brethren’s idea
- Ignore what your Christian Brethren is actually saying or mean or doing
- Attack the idea of your brethren that the World has defined for you.
Classic.
In the end, your brethren is ignored as fringe, because you’ve chosen to go with the World’s definition instead of loving your brethren and going with their definition of themselves.
Once the World defines you, other Christians will ignore whatever you have to say. Really sad.
This is from someone that has been looking at this argument for years from Africa.
Not sure what else to say but that I really love this video. Well said, God bless you.
Being a Christian Nationalist is NOT what IP is presenting it as.
It is believing in Values of Truth. And understanding the Biblical Principal of Family First.
There is a motto in the Marine Corps... "God, Family, Country, Core.
The United States is our Country. Nationalism is securing that first, Like you would your family.
If a man does not take care of his immediate family....he is worse than an Unbeliever.
The bible says to good, especially to the believers.
First take the plank out of your own eye...
Everyone's country, is their "family"
Nationalism is just about giving 60 billion dollars to help the fire victims of Hawaii over a proxy war in Ukrain.
When a Oxygen mask falls you are instructed to put it on first and then help others.
As a country common sense dictates we do the same. Being a Christian means we are on the side of Truth.
Abortion is not Wrong because I am a Christian. It is wrong because of Truth.
IP is well meaning. And on the right in most of what he says. But he is mistaken in this case.
Does it involve this?...
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
Michael any recommendations for books on apologetics?
What about the Christian nationalists Constantine, Spanish empire, British empire, Polish Lithuanian empire, Hungary, Byzantine, Russia etc that were the ones who spread the gospel?
The only place I can think of that has thriving Christians without Christian nationalism is Korea. Everything else was mostly evangelized by Christian nationalism
Yes and also the fact that God established a religious nation in the old testament. If God does it, it can't be wrong
That was a good thing? People being put to the sword and forced to convert? Christians were a doomsday cult, how do you read the teachings of Jesus and think he would have endorced that? You would be burning in that lake of eternal hellfire for being so evil, Jesus would disown you.
@@icalloutthenerds why are you trolling a religion video? Are you THAT miserable.
Just obey the bible...
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
@@burtonspringer8327God's told you what to do....
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
Im a christian AND a nationalist.
Sure, but that is not a Christian Nationalist. Christian nationalism is when you think Christianity must be in the business of protecting national boundaries and identities, and that the government must ensure the survival of a specific Christian culture. So someone like Nick Fuentes or Stephen Wolfe thinks the government should ensure the US remains a majority white, Anglo-Saxon culture.
...and when leftists string those 2 words together & apply them to you, they're equating you to a Nazi. Another bogus lie from them
I am a Canadian and a Christian. I’m proud of being a Canadian. It doesn’t mean that I want my nationalism to bleed into imposing Christianity through the constitution.
John Calvin tried to bring a theocracy to Geneva, to disastrous consequences. The Taiping rebellion killed millions because a failed scholar believed himself to be Jesus’ brother.
@@InspiringPhilosophyNick Fuentes can't even be considered a Christian, actually !!
@@InspiringPhilosophy how come Christians believed they should hold power before the Freemasonic “enlightenment”?
Though I disagree and believe America is a Christian nation, I understand and really like your argument.
Only issue is yes this country is based on Christian value.
But the value of choice.
What point is there in taking way people's freedoms here. There freedom to choose.
America wouldn't be America. And it is no different than the left censoring christians.
Agree with the bible...
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
*If you don't want us to be Christian nationalist, then we'll be ethn0nationalist instead*
The way you present your arguments make it sound like you didn't read your bible.
I think you are coming at this from the wrong direction. Christian nationalists are not supporting nationalism to make people turn into Christians but to create the most just, ethical, and livable society. It would bring sanity and reason back to any society.
Exactly. And that's what's definitely needed. Christian nationalism is NOT like fighting fire with fire(and engaging in culture war is not about fighting fire with fire either. Is about not letting it burn everything and rebuild what was burned, it's about regaining culture for Christ, so it would no longer be detrimental for salvation - thus we actually should become a cultural crusaders), it's like preparing the rich soil, on which evangelism can really bring plentiful fruits.
History disagrees with you. Power over people always corrupts and absolute power absolutely corrupts.
No government in this world is based on Christian values or ever was. It's based on the values that are best for the rich and powerful. You're believing in an utopia that will only ever be a reality when Christ returns.
That wouldn’t bring sanity back to society, it just puts your people in power.
Christian nationalism, as often defined, and exemplified by people like Trump and his followers, is about using Christianity as an excuse to gain power, and to use to oppress people.
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Except when u see in there articles that freedom of speech is anti god.
And etc.
Are there things that are wrong ya.
But history shows indiscriminate proof that when Christians gain political power we see things like catholic Rome.
I agree with most of i.p.s takes about debunking them being pagan claims.
But they are opulent. They did grow corrupt.
We wouldn't have had luther or the public outrage.
That happens becuase they became the rulers more powerful than the kings.
I just want to say this is absolutely amazing IP and I am extremely disappointed to see the amount of people in this comment section trying to rebuke you or shame you for calling out Christian nationalism. I hope that you continue to educate people on the actual terminology and meaning of Christian nationalism because it seems like a lot of people are confused.
Thank you, and I’m used to it. People constantly assume being against Christian nationalism means you don’t want a nation built on Christian values. They don’t understand what Christian nationalism actually is.
@@InspiringPhilosophy To me, the problem is not that one can't criticize Christian nationalism. I've agreed with various nuanced criticisms of it. However, when your description claims that Stephen Wolfe (who I don't agree with) is a racist comparable to Nick Fuentes, you ruin your credibility.
@@jeffreymagedanz8130 doesnt Wolfe’s book argue for “amicable ethnic separation” ?? Where along the scale of racism should Wolfe be placed?
This reminds me of George Macdonalds sermon on the temptation in the wilderness.
"He would not pluck the spreading branches of the tree; he would lay the axe to its root. It would take time; but the tree would be dead at last--dead, and cast into the lake of fire. It would take time; but his Father had time enough and to spare. It would take courage and strength and self-denial and endurance; but his Father could give him all. It would cost pain of body and mind, yea, agony and torture; but those he was ready to take on himself. It would cost him the vision of many sad and, to all but him, hopeless sights; he must see tears without wiping them, hear sighs without changing them into laughter, see the dead lie, and let them lie; see Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted; he must look on his brothers and sisters crying as children over their broken toys, and must not mend them; he must go on to the grave, and they not know that thus he was setting all things right for them. His work must be one with and completing God's Creation and God's History. The disappointment and sorrow and fear he could, he would bear. The will of God should be done. Man should be free,--not merely man as he thinks of himself, but man as God thinks of him. The divine idea shall be set free in the divine bosom; the man on earth shall see his angel face to face. He shall grow into the likeness of the divine thought, free not in his own fancy, but in absolute divine fact of being, as in God's idea. The great and beautiful and perfect will of God must be done."
@InspiringPhilosophy How do I know if people are really healing people? I have many questions that im never able to find many answers to due to not having much of anyone to talk about my walk in faith woth Christ and I don't wanna make a mistake. Though I believe in Jesus and have faith in him even though I struggle with sin.
Amazing video, really great job on this one IP. This isn't even a topic I'm usually interested in, but the biblical lesson was beautiful.
Thank you, glad you liked it.
It’s super weak. Check out “The other Paul” and his response to this video.
I absolutely agree with you. What part of "My kingdom is not of this world" has anything to do with Christian Nationalism? It doesn't. I sometimes think God, when viewing modern Christianity, sits back on His throne, and says to those around Him, "This was better when it was a backwater, downtrodden, gypsy religion." Anything taken to an extreme turns bad. Water is essential to life. Too much water, and you drown. Wanting to not hurt others' feelings is good. Turning it up to 11 (like is done on the Left) turns to persecution. Christianity is good. Turning up to 11 (like the medieval church did) turns to persecution. Just ask Huss, Jerome, and Luther. And Christian Nationalism is a form of turning it up to 11. The purpose of God is to make people into better people. Call it Salvation if you want to. But the simple idea is if you are a better person this evening than you were this morning -- job done. And Christian Nationalism as nothing to do with that, and does not accomplish that. "My kingdom is not of this world." Yeah. Amen to that.
Thank you for this 🙏
I have grown up in the United States, and, for the most part, feel very safe here the further away, the country gets from Christianity the more dangerous it becomes we must avoid socialism and communism at all costs. I understand that any fundamentalist type views can be harmful from any religion, thank you for sharing
😂 LOL. Really? You're still afraid of communism and socialism all while living in a country where the upper 1 percent owns more than half of the wealth? I think you might be confused but that's exactly what the 1 percent wants. To keep you believing "socialism" is the main problem in the US or anywhere else. Americans in general don't even know what socialism means. They think we have socialism here in Germany while in fact we have the exact same capitalist system as the US. And no, health insurance here isn't free but in fact more expensive than in the US. So don't believe any lies people tell you about "socialism" or communism. The USSR BTW never had communism. They had a dictatorship with state capitalism.