The Jardaan’s True Identity Is Hidden In Plain Sight

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  • The angaras teeth from Mass Effect Andromeda might reveal the true identities of the mysterious Jardaan. I analyze a few hints hidden in plain sight that potentially connect the Jardaan to a race we've known about from the very first Mass Effect.
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    📖 Chapters
    00:00 Jaal's Scary Teeth
    00:38 Jardaan Summary
    01:17 The Jardaan Giving Angara Scary Teeth Makes Sense
    02:28 Prothean Statue???
    03:18 The Teeth Connection
    04:01 Their True Identities Are...
    05:03 Playing Devil's Advocate
    05:44 The Synthetic Twist
    07:20 Final Conclusion
    08:06 The Geth And Jardaan Connection
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  • @toniadfgn
    @toniadfgn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    The visual similarities of an ancient angara artifact to protheans is nothing to sneeze at. This was the point of every artifact in Athame's temple back in me3. Plus Prothean attributes you can't find on the angara you can find on the kett, e.g the double nostrils

    • @paragonseven
      @paragonseven  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Solid point with the Athame temple, those artifacts were huge for the Protheans influencing the asari reveal.

  • @joshpetersen5968
    @joshpetersen5968 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Maybe the the Jardaan were a Prothean splinter that left the Milky Way at around the time of the Zha and Zha'til incident fleeing the Empire because they wanted to pursue a blended organic/synthetic society however this would not be tolerated. So they constructed the equivalent of the Arks and arrived in Andromeda. It would account for their tech being notably less sophisticated than late Empire Prothean tech since they would have departed relatively early on in the Empire with less advanced tech which would evolve along different lines than the Empire due to the lack of Reaper interference. Then they would have millennia to evolve into the Jardaan

    • @AzraelThanatos
      @AzraelThanatos 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      They could have also left as the other side of the Prothean synthetic war there, same as we know there were Quarians who were on the Geth's side there that we never find out what happens with. Perhaps they just named themselves the Jardaan there for whatever reason as a faction.

  • @zaxxon4
    @zaxxon4 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The Zha'til make far more sense. They were a species that were AI augmented, which was their downfall when the Reapers came. In Andromeda we discover that the Remnant appear to have been growing Angaran clones. It's likely that if the Zha'til wanted to make the trip, that they would want to bring both their biological and AI components. This could be DNA for cloning, and maintenance robots to allow the AI to maintain the ships. It is also possible that what we found were cryopods of Zha'til instead of clones. Either way there was a cataclysm that created the Scourge, and disrupted the plans. I lean toward the early Angarans starting as fully grown clones that woke up at that same time with no more intelligence than an infant. I suspect that the Zha'til built up their forces and sent ships to recolonize the Milky Way, and parked them far enough out to monitor then next Reaper cycle. When the Reapers were gone their AI woke them up, but they were surprised to learn that the Reapers had lost. So instead of building up an empire with the sole goal of defeating the Reapers the next time they return, they now get to investigate the civilizations that completed the task for them. So the creature speaking to Liara would be a Zha'til who learned from whom they could get all the info they would need.

  • @MysticFL1-Beth
    @MysticFL1-Beth 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So like Javik said, " Many have tried none succeeded!

  • @ericcardinal9138
    @ericcardinal9138 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    there's 2 major problem with this theory.
    1. the remtec wasn't there before the arks left the milky way. this mean every remnant tech we see in andromeda was built 600 years ago at most. the prothean, on the other hand disapeared from the milky way 50000 years ago. why would it take so long for them to start building all this? the only reason i can think of is that, in the andromeda galaxy, we only saw the heleus cluster, not the whole galaxy. this is a point most players seems to forget. at the game's launch, many were those whining at the game not having more then 2 species in a galaxy, while the milky way had so many. still, the kett ain't from heleus. maybe they ain't even from andromeda. the angaran are, though. it may be only one species, but in the milky way, how many species were from the local cluster? only humains. how many were from the other clusters, taken separately? what is seen in me andromeda isn't "the andromeda galaxy, but only 1 of it's clusters. if the jardaan really are the proteans, my guess is they took so long to build what we saw because they did the same elswhere in the galaxy. if they fled heleus, but not andromeda, the archon may have known of the prothean. maybe there already is prothean that were transformed into kett. maybe they still fight the kett somewhere.
    2. the angaran didn't have any knowledge about biotics. not only did the prothean had that power, but they geneticaly modified the asari so they all can use biotic. why wouldn't they give the agaran, a species created by the jaardan, that power. still, the agaran have access to bio electricity. they can use this power to interact with remnant technology. peebee tried everything to activate remtec, even biotic and yet, jaal's bioelectricity succeeded where everything else failed. clearly the agaran were created in a way they could use bioelectricity, so they can interact with the remnant tech, the same way the prothean modified the asari to give them biotic powers and they did it so they'd be better equiped to face the reapers. still, even if the angaran don't have biotic, they could know of something of the sort. sam could also have at least found a reference to biotic within all the data he got on ther jardaan.
    one can say it ain't a coinsidance, but... the kett transform other species into other kett, just like the reapers. this really is a coincidance.

    • @ericcardinal9138
      @ericcardinal9138 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@littlemouse7066 well... part of what you said make me think you either didn't read my whole comment or didn't understand it.
      as for the relevant part, i don't see how it invalidate anything i said.
      still, it's 7:20 am and i'm about to go to sleep, so maybe my own sleepiness is it cause for not understanding? i'll comment again if i see i misreaded once i wake up.

  • @Vain737
    @Vain737 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It's possible that the Protheans evolved in the Heleus Cluster first.
    Developed AI tech, traveled to the Milky Way to colonize it, and fought the Metacon war, before abandoning AI. We know they had Cryo-sleep technology, so it's not impossible.
    This would explain the relative unsophistication of RemTech: It's older than Milky Way Prothean tech.
    This would also explain why Prothean tech is comparatively so much more advanced than the tech of all other races in the Milky Way cycle. They began their technological development in another galaxy, and so they weren't limited to the 50,000 year time limit that Milky Way races had imposed on them.

  • @noctoi
    @noctoi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hmmm, Javik was in stasis when we found him... maybe the last gasp of his people tried to make the weapon and fumbled it? Ended up with a version of Synthesis but didn't complete the job?

    • @JezaGaia
      @JezaGaia 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Or maybe they were working on the crucible but being much more advanced than us managed to understand what the effects could be. A group decides that synthesis is the answer but on their terms not on the catalyst's. They leave to Andromeda but end up on another cluster than Heleus.
      There they worked on the synthesis angle but also in making a weapon able to defeat the reapers. For whatever reason after we scanned the Heleus Cluster but before the arks arrived they went to Heleus to test said weapon and that's when the scourge happened so they left.

  • @AlexanderKuznetsovAKASergei
    @AlexanderKuznetsovAKASergei 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Good vid once again peepo! New ideas to make head go spinny. I just hope the stuff they had in Andromeda was done with some intention that would end up being reliable to build on top of in connection with the main trilogy rather than a session of throwing stuff into the wall hoping something will stick and the resulting similarities here and there just being design choices.

  • @Dantes74302
    @Dantes74302 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Maybe the Jardaan are to Protheans the what the Romulans are to the Vulcans, an off-shoot race. And if they left early enough, it explains why their tech is more primitive. The Protheans had the full resources of the Empire, the Jardaan only had what they brought with them. Hence the slower development.

    • @paragonseven
      @paragonseven  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Really like this analogy, and it could definitely explain the underdeveloped tech.

    • @r.l.royalljr.3905
      @r.l.royalljr.3905 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It also explains why the Jardaan would embrace organic/synthetic synthesis, given that the Protheans, by the time they'd be in a position to flee their Reaper harvest, were adamantly opposed to AI.

  • @imarseti353
    @imarseti353 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just when I thought there was nothing left to speculate with I discovered your channel through Kala. All this videos are increasing my hype more because there's deep and convincing theories that no any of my other ME favorite youtubers did cover. There are many connections and many thing I didn't consider as important. Those Prothean connections just blew my mind

    • @paragonseven
      @paragonseven  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad you've enjoyed the theorizing! And there's plenty more theories dating back to last May in the Mass Effect 5 theories playlist :)

    • @imarseti353
      @imarseti353 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@paragonseven Already checked some from now all the way back to July hehe

  • @mckrackin5324
    @mckrackin5324 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Remnant tech doesn't necessarily "require" a synthetic and organic combination. That combination just happened to work. As you should know, Ryder was able to operate the tech later without SAM.

    • @vidiagamara
      @vidiagamara 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Agreed I interpreted that as Ryder could do it because Ryders physiology had changed when collaborating with SAM. I’m pretty sure Ryder couldn’t do it if they had never had SAM.

  • @MassEffect1988
    @MassEffect1988 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I mean i could see a Prothean offshoot escaping the Milky Way galaxy to survive a previous Reaper harvest 👍 i mean heck, the modern galaxy inhabitants employed the same tactic i guess 🤔

  • @christopherhall5361
    @christopherhall5361 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting theory, but I think it's a little simpler than that and it has more to do with what's called "uncanny valley." That's when you see something artificial that look almost real but not quite, we silly humans have a hard time dealing with that, I recently saw a video on the channel The Why Files about this and it made me realize pretty much all the human facial animations for ME:A are in that valley, which may have played a part in why so many people hated it. As for the Jaardan statue looking Prothean, I think that just has to do with the Bioware devs declining sense of imagination.

  • @GromDarkwater
    @GromDarkwater หลายเดือนก่อน

    Easy answer to it being less sophisticated. The Protheans trip to Andromeda took place before the construction of the Mars Archives. The Prothean extinction took Centuries to complete and they would have been continuously developing tech during the war to try and survive. So the Prothean mission could have left 1000 years before the invasion of the reapers and the tech would have made sense, the time it takes to get from the Milky Way would explain it as well.

  • @SipeReborn
    @SipeReborn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Or protheans were created by jardaan since they created the archons its not a stretch to think that they created other races like protheans and that statue looks like a combination of both the neck structure definitely resembles angara or jardaan

  • @Scottie_S
    @Scottie_S 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Going down the rabbit hole here, Atharia. Down the rabbit hole...
    ok....I'm I'm going down the rabbit hole. I don't have a parachute though.

  • @user-ym9wk5iz6m
    @user-ym9wk5iz6m 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I may be misremembering, but I thought that the Remnant tech was mentioned early in the game to be new. When they looked at the golden worlds from the Milky Way, the rem tech and scourge weren't there, which would mean the Jardaan did their thing within the 500 year gap between ME3 and Andromeda.

    • @paragonseven
      @paragonseven  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes you're right about the 500 year gap thing. Which is why it's very interesting that the angara and kett have similarities to the Protheans.
      It would make more sense for the Jardaan to not be related to them at all. Which begs the question, why did the devs make these similar design choices?

  • @viradin
    @viradin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    MEA tells us Angarans are Kett. In the side-by-side of Angara, Prothean, and Kett, you can see similarities with Prothean and Kett noses. Since I've played MEA, I've felt Protheans had something to do with Jardaan. Jardaan could be another alien species, but I think it's more likely that Jardaan are Protheans. If the Protheans found out about the Reapers, I'm sure some would've left the milkyway. Protheans were supposedly the most advanced civilization. Although Javik points out, Protheans technology was built from Inusannon technology. Similar to how the Asari technology came from Protheans.

  • @VAustin89
    @VAustin89 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Currently replaying Andromeda, this has also bothered me of who the Jardaans are. if they were prothean and they might another project of circumventing the reapers. Ilos was classified, they hid there and waited it out until the reapers retreated to dark space. Theoritacally protheans could do this intergalactic travel since they have stasis pods. They could have done genetical engineering for the locals like what they did with the Asari and their biotic capability. You are also right that the only problem with this theory is how the "tech" is quite primitive compared to the Milky way

  • @rulewski33
    @rulewski33 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can also find a Pre Angaran AI on Voeld in MEA. At some Point it says that it knows neither you or the Angara as thoose arent their Creators, this would further Match with your Theory...

  • @j.rileyindependentproductions
    @j.rileyindependentproductions 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One could also suggest that Ryder's and SAM's connection was what really allowed Ryder to connect with the tech, NOT the fact that SAM is AI. Remember, the Prothean beacon nearly killed Shepard with how it engaged with Shepard's brain. Given that Ryder was eventually able to use Jardan technology without SAM, it suggests that AI had nothing to do with it. Rather the SAM interface allowed Ryder to adapt in a way that they could do it. Who knows, maybe now Ryder's brain would have understood the Prothean beacon, or at least process it better?

  • @daniiii004
    @daniiii004 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey Atharia!
    Cool theory!
    Adding a very small bit to your theory,
    What if the angarrans wasn't supposed to exist.....
    I mean, looking at the nostrils of the kett, it looks more like prothean,
    If what you say is true, Angarrans are a "sub-species" -like of Protheans, it would make sense that the "sub-species" have physical or “ORGANICAL” similarities to the prothean. So maybe the Kett are the TRUE "sub-species" because they have similar breathing-(respiratory) system to the Prothean and the Angarrans are a genetic defect or a failed test.... or! Maaaaybe...someone CAUSED the genetic defect or purposefully failed the creation of some of the kett 👀👀👀.... resulting in a civil war... One side wanted to control and dominate and the other side wanted to experiment with both organics with synthetics....I meeeaan....the Catalyst did say something like Synthesis happened before but it didn't work😵
    Does that make any sense??? I don't know how to put my theories into words😅

    • @paragonseven
      @paragonseven  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wait, did the Catalyst really say Synthesis failed before?? I don't remember that, I'd have to load up my old save file to check it out.
      To your theory, I'm going to be honest, I'm not familiar enough with the kett/angara stuff from MEA to contribute to the discussion fully, but I can see what you're implying with the kett being more physiologically similar to the Protheans vs. the angara though. From what I vaguely remember, the kett are warped versions of angarans, but they can also do this process with other races. So based on that, if the Protheans were capable of doing the same (which has not be directly stated anywhere in the games) then the kett could be closer to the Protheans than we think.

    • @daniiii004
      @daniiii004 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@paragonseven
      Fair point on the theory👍
      As for the Catalyst, it said that it has tried a similar solution in the past, but it has always failed👀
      Somehow that part keep popping up in my head whenever I talk about ME theories,
      What were these similar solutions?? How were these solutions executed?? If I remember correctly, the Crucible was only completed for the first time in ME3, so...what did they use before???👀 if they use the incompleted crucible....there should at least have some evidence of its previous uses... I know that the previous cycles of species kept adding on to the crucible, but did they have other uses for it???👀
      I'm just going off the rails a bit😅

    • @paragonseven
      @paragonseven  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@daniiii004 Ahh I see, I do remember the Catalyst saying that! I had gotten a weird feeling that, if the Jardaan are Prothean in some form, that the Jardaan would've undergone something similar to the Synthesis ending. The ME team decided that the Catalyst would say that Synthesis is the "ideal solution" but what if the process can somehow go wrong? It's a fascinating discussion.

    • @daniiii004
      @daniiii004 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@paragonseven
      Indeed fascinating...you think you got any theories relating to this topic👀? My mind is racing over all the known facts, I can't pinpoint any theory that could follow up.

    • @paragonseven
      @paragonseven  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@daniiii004 Maybe the beginnings of one...but I'd have to play through Andromeda again to understand the lore there better. I don't think I paid enough attention to the kett...

  • @JaniceHope
    @JaniceHope 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I like the idea that the Jardaan were Prothean dissidents who went against the teachings of the empire maybe in search of solutions to the Reaper threat or before the Reapers emerged they fled to Andromeda.

    • @glowhoo9226
      @glowhoo9226 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Then why would they have more than 3 fingers? Javik only has 3. The legs are different as well.

  • @efxnews4776
    @efxnews4776 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe the Jardaan is simple an offshot of the protheans, a group of protheans that did the same as the Initiative, they just evolve differently of the protheans.

  • @Deren98
    @Deren98 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like to think that while the reapers where made for destruction, the Jardaan (or their creations) were made for life

  • @piervisser3121
    @piervisser3121 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    With the tech the Jardaan had access to, it's possible they were able to travel between both galaxies comfortably... creating the Angara with the local resources in Andromeda and then the Protheans in the Milky Way.
    Their tech would need to rival or exceed that of the Reapers though, to be able to go unnoticed.
    Unless they were noticed and collected along with the Protheans, while leaving the Angara alone due to having developed slower and not providing sufficient body to be harvested.

  • @efaristi9737
    @efaristi9737 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    that's weird, the Protheans weren't said to dabble in genetics experimentations or terraformations. But that might be a separatist faction. Either way, that theory is not as unlikely i thought it would be first.

  • @ninfreak95
    @ninfreak95 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can't believe I never saw that statue! Mark Gamble was the lead on Javik's DLC in ME3. He essentially created the Protheans as we know them. He 100% could have planned this.

  • @jakeclement6656
    @jakeclement6656 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the idea of the protheans messing with synthetics is very probable. considering the series is constantly playing off the idea of repeating “cycles” it’s very possible that one group or cluster could have had the foresight to see what the possible ending truly would have been. Just a theory but there’s so many connections that historically fit what the series has done.

    • @paragonseven
      @paragonseven  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed. And I can't shake the feeling that the ME team wants to explore blurring the line between organics and synthetics, especially with Ryder's ability to use remtech without SAM.

    • @jakeclement6656
      @jakeclement6656 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@paragonseven despite what everyone says about just abandoning andromeda , I really hope ME5 goes ahead and explores some of that. There’s soooo much good story potential just in that idea alone.

  • @henrikhumle7255
    @henrikhumle7255 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe people simply misunderstood what was meant by the Jardaan "creating" the Angara. Maybe they didn't so much "create them" as become them over the millenia, as (potential) Prothean settlers adapted to and evolved in their new environment.
    This is pure speculation, but since the tech of the Jardaan seem to rely on organic/tech synthesis, and we know that the Prothean's, through the Crucible, basically cracked the code on this stuff, is it outrageous to think that a faction would break off, seeking to distance themselves from technological integration, and that some cataclysmic event led to this "primitive" faction being the only one left, completely cut off from the technology and cultural heritage of their ancestors, regarding what they left behind with something resembling religious superstition and awe, but with no meaningful knowledge of the role they themselves played in its development? (And maybe the tech-sect of the Jardaan eventually evolved themselves into sentient AI or machines, losing the organic aspect needed to interact with their tech? But that's also just speculation).
    But the Angara also share similarities with other Milky Way species; if the Jardaan were Prothean settlers, it's also not outrageous to think that the Angara could have been created by mixing DNA collected from Milky Way species, like early Krogan og Asari. Angaran skin resembles the of the Asari, while the posture and build seems to somewhat resemble the Krogan. And we know that Prothean explorers made contact with early Asari.

  • @BobLazier-zk8gi
    @BobLazier-zk8gi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The tech thing tho may be some kinda reaper tech.. maybe the leviathans and their reapers spend a lil further then the Milky Way.. like the reapers are mass effects dark spawn.. like they’re just a part of that universe.. hell the scourge may have been originally designed to fight the reapers.. like a last ditch effort.

  • @desont2384
    @desont2384 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Protheans/Jardaan went to the Andromeda ust like the Arks did, maybe to hide from the Reapers and their tech wasn't as advanced then?

  • @Falkenhart
    @Falkenhart 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interresting ! I like the idea of prothean prosynthetic fleeing to Andromeda to survive. There is an other way to linked the statue and the similarities shared by prothean, angara and kett. The Jaardan could be their common ancestor, or creator.

    • @paragonseven
      @paragonseven  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Definitely. It'd be absolutely wild, but it's within the realm of possibility.

  • @Dkritzer040
    @Dkritzer040 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I definitely think you’re onto something. My theory is that the inusonun uplifted A small percentage of the protheans and had an experiment between the two in The Andromeda and the Milky Way galaxy. Javik did saying that they have the information of the mass relay system through the inusonun. This would be why the Milky Way galaxy protheans are against synthetics but the andromeda “jardann” Have a different relationship with synthetics

  • @zoriononline
    @zoriononline 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think you are onto something for sure.
    I think its more likely that there was a schisme in the Protheans when one side wanted to enhance themselves and the other who stayed in the Milky Way was purist.
    So lets say that Jardaan then left the Milky Way x thousands of years ago, while the Protheans stuck in the Milky Way.
    Jardaan then say was thousands of years behind in many types of technology so it seems "primitive" if you compare it to the Prothean that had a "burst" development.
    My thougths is that the Protheans had this burst as soon as they discovered the Reaper threat, and just put all their efforts into R&D to build up defenses to have a chance, but in the end it was too late.
    As for say the Anagaran developing different, well thats evolution for you, forms will change to be what they need to be on their planets etc or enviroments.
    We even see it among the various peoples on this planet, with different types of noses, hair, skin, eye color etc.
    You can also see that alot of people who'se been moved from their "starting location" over time change alot from their initial ancestors.
    Example the first of the Americas, where those who walked over 50k years ago was basiclly asian looking, and if you look at the Inuts today they still remain alot more similarities to them.
    Meanwhile the further south you go the people changes dramatically.
    From the steppes of the US areas today, to say in Peru where they look vastly different etc.
    My point is that it was maybe not evolutionary needed for the Angaran/Jardaan hybrids to have the trait of the doubleeyes anymore, or that it was a trait the Protheans in Milky Way adapted bio-engineered on themselves for some advantage which the Jardaan didnt do as they where more on enhancement through tech.
    For instance the 1 eye is normal vision, but the 2nd is like a catseye and can see in the dark,, so the Protheans did this to be able to counter all threats at all cycles of the day, or they could have settled on planets with tidal locks where the habitable zone was in darkness etc.
    Same for the teeth changes, maybe the Jardaan didnt need it as they ate things different culturally, so they didnt have the needed for that extra teeth etc.

  • @FLASK904
    @FLASK904 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't think the Jardaan are Prothean. Mostly because the timeliness don't match up. The scourge, the vaults, meridian, that last message we translate of the Jardaan. It kinda reminds me of the same feeling I got when I read the three body problem. I think the Andromeda galaxy, unlike the Milky Way, is a dark forest. And the Kett, while the primary antagonists in this game, probably aren't the biggest threat in the galaxy.

  • @CrawfordPrime
    @CrawfordPrime 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting theory and one I didn’t consider! I personally disagree that Remnant tech is less advanced than Prothean tech (meridian and the terra forming network are boarder-line magical) I can definitely get on board with them being Protheans as well. Either coming to Andromeda for a similar purpose as the Initiative does only to decide to stay and grow. I can imagine an Prothean population having to adapt to andromeda and like you said had differing views on AI use and perhaps augmented themselves through AI that would change their physical form to appear more like the ancient statues. Even their technology connects to the mind through touch and we know Protheans like Javik can gather information through touch as well. Eventually the Protheans in Andromeda become the Jardaan and their technology stagnates cuz they begin to hit different technological levels. Perhaps the Kett then were a traditionalist Prothean group that sought to rebuild the empire in Andromeda and to compensate for the weaknesses of individual species decided it best to merge every species into themselves in order to become stronger. Or the kett were a group of Protheans who followed the Jardaan Protheans after the reaper invasion and were disgusted with the Jardaan and for the same reasons hated AI in all forms and tried to strengthen themselves by merging with all species.
    Eventually we get 3 different Prothean civilizations with different beliefs with the milky way empire with their traditional ideals and values, the Jardaan Protheans who believe they should merge with AI and technology for a form of synthesis. And finally the worst of the bunch Kett Protheans who are the other extreme of not just ruling and dominating other species but to become as strong as possible by absorbing them all into their own genetic material to withstand any threat.
    Perhaps the Angara then were made either to be a new form for the Jardaan to take cuz why not or they were made for a higher purpose in the image of the Jardaan. As much as this makes sense there’s lots of questions

  • @josuepineiro4968
    @josuepineiro4968 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mmm...OK... hear me out. You raise a really good issue in the "Playing Devil's Advocate" section. What if the Andromeda Initiative traveled into the past of Andromeda? This would explain why their tech is less sophisticated. Perhaps this time travel has to do with the scourge?

    • @paragonseven
      @paragonseven  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Interesting thought. The Scourge was unleashed by a group called the Opposition against the Jardaan. So I find it unlikely that it would have caused backwards time travel for the Initiative, because interacting with it causes technology problems, but the codex does list that it has time-altering properties, so I wouldn't completely dismiss this theory.

  • @GViking68
    @GViking68 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey I think you left out the AI in the frozen world that we bring back onto the ship

  • @Josh_Hammond
    @Josh_Hammond 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It's a interesting theory. It would be neat to have a Andromeda sequel that explores who the Jordaan are. Most likely not but who knows if the next mass effect game does well maybe they'll be some rumors of Andromeda being supported again or fans would like to see more Andromeda there's always hope.

    • @dorottyapapp
      @dorottyapapp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🙏🏻

  • @PragmaticOptimist_N7
    @PragmaticOptimist_N7 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The "chin line" seems more 'similar to me but head top shape and 'draculaesque' could defo signify distant cousins of a sort. Eg, wolves and domesticated dogs cheaters, 🦁, cougars etc vs house 🐈 /tabbys...
    Maybe they split to experiment like the Geth vs heratic ?

  • @seankale5116
    @seankale5116 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i wonder if some of the protheans thought that the reapers were coming and went from the milky way to the cluster in ME4. they fled and built their own civilization.

  • @codenamerinwaz2703
    @codenamerinwaz2703 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Plus you add the civil war thing (or whatever was going on) the Jaardan had maybe it was not the first one....

  • @micheleosullivan4430
    @micheleosullivan4430 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Now I'm thinking about the Kett. How many species have they exalted... Is the Jardan species exalted? (Or most of them) and what we know now as the Prothean moved to the Milkyway to escape the ancient Kett?
    Okay, I have a head splitter now. lol
    Thanks for the theory! It's going to roll around my noggin all night!

  • @leegaul2161
    @leegaul2161 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So is it a switcharoo happening? While the Andromeda Initiative were traveling towards the Andromeda Galaxy, the scourge happened, and the Jardaan hightailed it out of there towards the Milky Way Galaxy? Perhaps all those anomalies being detected are Jardaan ships showing up from whatever FTL method they use. If we look at the timeline, the Initiative arrived in 2819, but the scourge happened - what? - 200 years prior? 300? I don't remember. That means the Jardaan could have already been as much as 300 years into their own voyage. If someone was awake on the Hyperion maybe they could have waved as they passed the Jardaan caravan. xD If we presume that the Jardaan have slightly faster travel, let's say taking only 500 years, instead of the 600+ the Initiative took, they would have arrived in the Milky Way the same time the Initiative arrived in Andromeda. If the question of why would the Jardaan make that voyage is made, if they are descendants of Protheons, perhaps they felt that was their safer bet to avoid the Kett empire.

    • @paragonseven
      @paragonseven  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Who knows, it could happen. It'd be so funny if the Jardaan did a flyby past the quarian ark. 😂

  • @vidiagamara
    @vidiagamara 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hmmm… protheans also enslaved other races though right? It could just be there because of that, meaning they could still have “worked” together. I just don’t think they’re the same race. The protheans looking more insectoid and the angara looking more like a crustaceans/jellyfish (with a bio electrics to boot) could mean they’re related but idk… the biggest thing that makes me doubt their connection is the number of eyes. It seems weird that evolution would determine two are better than four. I just think the game was misdirecting us, and I think the angara/jardaan are one and the same. Some having left as virtual aliens and the others staying behind to fight/give them time to escape making their empty bodies useless to the kett-lectors. And as the virtual ones got further away with time and space the ones left behind were disconnected [memory file corrupt]. The letters in jardaan/angara are very close which might be silly but it just seems weird the virtual aliens need bodies and there’s a locker on ice of corpses waiting to be used. But maybe you’re right

  • @huanhoundofthevailinor2374
    @huanhoundofthevailinor2374 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I did have a hole theory about protheans been in Andromeda but I completely forgot none of this fits the timeline when the geth scope was used everything was fine in that system my point been if the protheans left for Andromeda then it would have been before Reapers arrived even if they managed after it was 10, 000 years ago so it couldn't have been them who fought that war that created scrouge also with so much time there would be way more evidence

  • @threaders9411
    @threaders9411 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe the jarrdaan were the synthetic beings the protheans were fighting kinda like the geth

  • @ripabner
    @ripabner 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should make a video on how Milky Way and andromeda characters are together

    • @paragonseven
      @paragonseven  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have a video on how the Andromeda characters can reach the Milky Way if that's what you're asking about?

    • @ripabner
      @ripabner 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@paragonseven oh yeah which video is that?

    • @paragonseven
      @paragonseven  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ripabner Not sure if this'll work (sometimes YT views links in the comments as spam), but here ya go: th-cam.com/video/oaA8ZeduH1M/w-d-xo.html

    • @ripabner
      @ripabner 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@paragonseven it worked thank you!

  • @AI23973
    @AI23973 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Protheans may have been sent to Helius cluster as a way to ensure the survival of the Empire during the Reaper's invasion....

    • @r.l.royalljr.3905
      @r.l.royalljr.3905 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That kind of precludes their organic/synthetic propensities though, given that Jaavik demonstrates that the Protheans were extremely distrustful of AI.

  • @Mikullas
    @Mikullas 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Andromeda has a lot of things written in contrarian way. So I wouldn't say Ketts and Angaras came from Protheans because the same thing with artefact happend on Thesia. That would go against the style of Andromeda writing. So what if the joke is the Protheans were in fact outsiders in our galaxy, who came here from Andromeda. Like they were crazy advantageous in comparision to species of our cycle and totally dominated their cycle, as they had more time to evolve than others.

  • @vincentm.7462
    @vincentm.7462 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    You’re so smart!

  • @thirdcoastfirebird
    @thirdcoastfirebird 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No, no, they need to through a fireball for all of this to make sense. (Looks to his left.) What? (His best friend talks to him.) This isn't about DnD? (His best friend shakes his head.) Oh. (Looks to Paragon7.) Sorry about that. Anyway great video, and good crazy idea.

  • @hmmph89
    @hmmph89 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Jaardaen"

  • @NidhCthon
    @NidhCthon 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I assumed this would be "British"

  • @darkbeach72
    @darkbeach72 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can we all agree that the alien skin textures, including even Turians, are just ass in Andromeda? Comparing the Andromeda clips with the Andromeda clips side by side in this video it's really apparent that the Andromeda skins were lackin'. Javik is a masteripiece, Jaal looks like pre-cooked poultry.

  • @phang108
    @phang108 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

  • @filipgaecki5480
    @filipgaecki5480 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't think Jardaans are Prothean. I think Jardaan created the Leviathans. They are the true Apex race or the universe that seeded the galaxy with organic life

  • @gavrilo46
    @gavrilo46 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They just copy paste teth to other races because they were laisy

  • @CosmicDragonApocalypse
    @CosmicDragonApocalypse 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    can we stop with these wack theories?
    "The protheans were the Jaardan"
    "How do you know?"
    "TEETH!"
    The development team for the game was lazy and probably reused assets from the original trilogy and improved the graphics on them. and the statue? probably a reference because there are a bunch of prothean statues in the original trilogy or just another case of lazy programming. also the protheans died 50000 years ago and remnant tech only came to andromeda 400 years before the initative. it would be a case of lazy writing to say the protheans also had the idea to escape the milky way. no. thats not how the protheans were. they would fight to the last man and sacrifice worlds to stop the reapers. they wouldn't flee.

  • @RaeontheLeft
    @RaeontheLeft 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've never liked these type of fan-theories because they always make the worlds they are talking about more bland and boring.

  • @02091992able
    @02091992able 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Perhaps it's not the Protheans but one of the servertor races of the Protheans. "Many spieces all eventually called themselves Prothean". Javik does speak about the other races that were part of the Empire. One of which he was unsure what happened to them. Perhaps that race is what escaped to Andromeda and became the Jaardan. The Protheans did have the ability to genetic engineer, as seen with the Asari the reason they are able to use biotics from birth which is species wide is because the Protheans genetically engineered them to have biotic powers as a spieces wide mutation. Unlike other races which only a small percentage of the population have biotic powers.

  • @RoySR3-ln6ve
    @RoySR3-ln6ve 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Since it didn't load the comment before, I'll try to do it again. The theory that perhaps will allow us to outline the picture of the clues left so far by bioware.
    Portal teaser (the center of everything)
    Teraser portal MR 7, seven is a significant number for many reasons for bioware, N7 day, N7…
    Therefore the portal shows
    SA - 314 - /// 11_07_90
    Mass effect 3- 2186 - > 2186 + 7 = 2193 But be careful…
    Mass effect 1 - 2183 - > 2183 +7 = 2190
    Portal Date 11\07\2190 seven years from the beginning of the trilogy, but only 4 years after mass effect3
    The count is therefore largely symbolic. A Bioware homage to the Mass Effect saga
    The new mass effect is set in 2190, at least initially. But the question of Liara and angara remains, milky way yes, milky way no...
    And well, the numbers on the portal: 234567, can give us a clue. We can add them, but without a precise order, we don't need any number that will be under 600 years, due to the Andromeda mass effect. But could bioware have told us how to combine these numbers if it wanted? Yes. Look carefully, the numbers on the portal are on different levels, so there is a ladder.
    23 above. 456 below. And 7 ( 7 ) above, and even a little further away.
    Therefore 23+456+7 = 486
    2190+ 486= 2676
    But even better. Suppose panel two and three are on different layers, however it would be:
    2+3+456+7 =468 - 2190+ 468 = 2658
    The right years we need to join Andromeda. These numbers in these puzzles cannot be a coincidence. They are too mathematical. And 7 was also marked in the city artwork, neon, green, on the left. It is therefore the species of the Milky Way, or a crew, and especially Liara, that move towards Andromeda, the Angara, and not the other way around. The bar with the angara is therefore located in Andromeda. Milky way species move to andromeda 4 after the trilogy, and then only a couple of years after the andromeda pioneers. In fact, it is they, the inhabitants of the Milky Way, who chase the pioneers shortly after their departure, which explains the time difference. In fact, they will arrive with a time gap of about ten minutes, considering that Mass Effect Andromeda is set in 2600. The companions of the trilogy are therefore all alive before the possible embarkation or journey, it is only up to them to decide what to do. Which at this point will happen with ark 6. So it is likely that during the game we will move. The real question now is… Sheprd, is he alive in 2190?

    • @RoySR3-ln6ve
      @RoySR3-ln6ve 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      as always I hope you understand XD

    • @paragonseven
      @paragonseven  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very interesting points here, I'll keep this in mind when I'm analyzing the relay teaser again. 👍 The timelines are definitely the most interesting speculation point thus far in all the teasers.