I love this rough sound. Edited or not, it sounds awesome and every microphone gives it a unique characteristic. I'm trying to imagine how the song 'Man of Iron' by Bathory would sound like when played by you. Please cover it with your own touch someday 😁
DPA pre-process sounds the best, really a pleasure to hear. I would love to buy an album full of Gnaal's song, no lyrics or whatsoever, just this intrument and ambient melody
Wow... I need to learn this instrument... I felt that in my heart and bones. The vibrations it gives off are amazing to my ears. Thank you for the video
Wow, thank you for passing that tip along about marking your strings. I'm definitely going to do that now. It's kinda like how I fret my prototype instruments. I string them up; then use a straight edge to locate where the notes are and cut the frets in. I reference off the string I typically use because otherwise you would end up with frets that are not straight. I'm just a one string wonder anyway.
Thanks to wery good advices. I have trying and struggling to record my self-made jouhikko for a while, but thanks to your tips i think that i will manage to do something that can be listen whitout ears dropping on floor😆 Best wishes from Finland
I'm in love with the GNAAL sound and it's a beautiful instrument too👏👏 I finished my own tagelharpa a couple of days ago and I also put twisted archery lines for the strings but I can't get it to sound right. I've put a lot of resin on it and on the bow so I don't think it's the problem, it's seems like the bow is not making the enough friction to make vibrate the strings. I'm a complete newbie and I don't really know what the issue could be 😅
Same here. I fell in love with it the first time I heard it. I've never been a musical guy and never played any instruments but I'm going to buy a tagelharpa and learn how to play it
Very useful video. I marked the strings as well when I was using horsehair but since it has to be retuned very often (consequently the string is slowly moving towards the tuning peg) the markings became incorrect after a while. I think that works better with the bowstrings.
I tried the B 50 Dacron archery line made a 4 strand string , it didn't make a sound . The package said B50 bow line , staging thread . Please help , Thank you .
DPA was absolutely amazing, I heard the first notes and couldn't help myself but shout 'wow!' It sounds so natural and warm, yet clearly it is the unique scratchy sound of a tagelharpa. The AKG was impressive too (more clear, but not as warm), the Sontronics and K&K were boring
Hello, I am building a taglharpa for my education (furniture making with a specialisation course in instrument making) and I have based my design on yours (with credit given in the documentation, because you did an amazing job on this one), but there's two things I can't quite figure out on my own. I really want to use horsehair strings, but I am having great dificulty finding black horsehair of sufficient length, is there much difference when using white horsehair for the strings? I would stille use the black horse hair on the bow, becuase I hear that improve the action and grip. The second question is regarding the fine tuners. I have found a variety of available fine tuners online, some for gut string, some for steel and some saying they can be used for both. What kind would I need for the horse hair strings? I would like to end with thanking you before hand for any help you might be able to give me, and for inspiring me to make one of these instruments. I absolutely fell in love with the sound of GNAAL the first time I heard it and have been an absolute blast making my own taglharpa, and learning a whole lot in the process!
DPA Most clean but you need to put your microphon when you are recording the down side far away and the top of microphone seeing at your instrument then we can have a clear view, microphones are used on different posisions to archive the balance of sound so we have bowed lyra more bass so we need to use the top side of microphone to archive a sound balance called sweet spot on any way you save time.
This lead me to the Question: where can i get a good Tagelharpa? I saw some Onlineshops but i am not sure if theyre good. Anyone who can tell me a good Place to get one? I love this dark sound but it seems in the shops i found you do not get a harpa with a similar sound:)
I have built a taglharpa and am having some difficulty getting the strings to "sing" or resonate. I have B50 Dacron archery line in the 7-9-11 thread sequence that you use. Did you braid or twist the threads together or keep them separate and straight? I'm using dark resin, but can't seem to get the strings to vibrate correctly. Any advice? Thank you!
Hi, David! I twisted the strings. It will take some time to make the strings "sing". I would like to see a photo , or even better, a video of you playing the instrument before I can give a good answer, but from my experience, it takes some time before a new, bowed instrument works properly.
@@ELDRIMmusic Espen, thanks for your advice! I twisted the strings, and gave the bow and strings a very liberal amount of resin and it is now singing!!! I will post a little video on the facebook group. Thanks again! I play guitar and bass, and have a home recording studio and am one step closer to getting the taglharpa incorporated into the music making here.
I have some questions please. Question 1: does the bow require Rosin to make the sound? Question 2: i tried making my own tagelharpa and nomatter what material i use the moment i put my finger on the string it just immediately muffles and doesnt make any sound. I dont understand how you get the tone change just by touching the string? Ive tried THREE times now with three different strings, horsehair, nylon and a steel turkish lyre string. NONE of them work. Ive literally tried everything and im about to give up. Please help.
It is hard to answer your questions without seeing your instrument and maybe a video. If you are using Facebook try to contact me there. Espen Winther.
Thanks for the video. There's a lot of useful information in the video, and great playing as always. Which mic do you think captures the sound closest to what you hear in the room? I prefer more faithful recordings of acoustic instruments.
I've been thinking about that and it's actually impossible to say. My loudsepakers are not totally neutral and quite certainly sounds different than all the other loudspeakers various people sit in front. Through my loudspeakers and my Beyerdynamics DT770 PRO I would say a mix between the Sontronics and the DPA.
@@ELDRIMmusic In retrospect, that was kinda a stupid question. But that is interesting, I actually think those two microphones produced the best sound. Anyways, thanks for the video.
Have you ever heard of synthetic bow hairs for cello related instruments? You recently switched over to archery line, which got me thinking that you might be able to use synthetic bow hair for the strings on Gnaal. Apparently the strands are rough and textured like horse hair, so it might give you a more faithful sound.
Thanks for this video, I appreciate it a lot! I am an amateur luthier from Norway, too, and I was planning on making a talharpa with similar dimensions. I have checked your plans you published on Facebook, and compared it to your video. For me it seems that the scale length (the distance between the nut and the bridge) you mentioned in the video (625 mm) is way too short. I tried to calculate the ratio of the full length of the instrument and the model you published, and it seems more like a scale length of ca. 750 mm with the total length of 1050 mm is more realistic. Are my calculations sort of correct? Setter stor pris på ditt svar. :)
Hi! The drawings in the album is a bit bigger than what I ended up with. Mostly because it was hard to get a hold of long enough horse hair. As I mention in the video: the total length is 104cm. and the width is 20cm.
The sound of this instrument is incredible! I'm curious, when you say you use B50 archery line for the strings, do you purchase a complete bow string and modify it? Or do you buy the polyester string on a spool and wind your own strings? I was looking online and couldn't really find a place to buy bowstrings with set numbers of strands, so I thought I'd ask for advice. I really appreciate how much information you're willing to share on these lovely instruments:)
Wow, that sound is awesome, I love it. What's the different between dacron B55 and yours? Also, what's the diameter of the B50 line? Thanks in advance.
Hello, me again haha. I had another quick question. I've recently finished making my own Talharpa thanks to your plans and advice! I've noticed it goes out of tune really easily though. I'm also using strings made of B50 archery line with the same number of strands as yours too. Do you twist your strings to a certain tightness or anything to help them stay more stable, or does Gnaal also go out of tune rather quickly? Looking forward to hearing from you!
@@ELDRIMmusic I'm pretty sure, they're quite tight and creak sharply if they slip. I was trying to tune it E3,B2,E2 and it would quickly drop in tuning while playing. I tried D3,A2,D2 tuning instead and it's been fairly stable, which is weird to me because it's not THAT far from the previous tuning. I'm honestly a bit stumped, haha.
@@adamhorner3950 I have recently built my own tagelharpa and noticed the same thing. Strings naturally stretch under tension so any time I put new strings on or adjust the strings there would be a period of a few days where I would play for a few miniutes- retune. Play for a few minutes- retune. Possibly 10 or so times a session and then leave the strings overnight under tension and repeat. The strings will gradually settle in an stay in tune longer and longer. I think by nature of the material we are using (horse hair, fishing line, archery line, etc.) the strings will be more tempermental than the metal strings of a guitar or traditional string instrument. Hope this helps!
Awesome sound, what does your Runic tattoo translate to?, I was trying to google around and see what it means with the runic alphabet but couldn't figure it out lol
So, when you play live. Do you play using guitar pedals or something like that? Or how do you get the reverb and delay on live performances? Sorry, i have not seen you play live. It's on my bucket list, and preferably on the Midgard festival! :)
To me, Sontronics gave the most favourable sound. Both Big Twin and DPA kinda sounded like you were in the next room. C-1000 was also good but...too crystal clear for my ears. This applies to both processed and not
Strings, strands, does not matter. Your point still came across. So does the music, does not matter if I understand your native tongue, I am still listening to beautiful music. Edit: Have you ever talked to Ghaal? Idk if you know him, he was a black metal vocalist.
I don’t mean to diminish the uniqueness of this instruments but it’s just very very similar in structure, function, and sound to the Mongolian analogous instrument called Morin Khuur
Sir your voice sounds like a Gnaal and the Gnaal sounds like your voice.
Bravo👏
This sound activates something primal in me. I'm living for it.
This instrument was probably mind blowing power back in it's prime.
Sounds amazing with the DPA!
The C-1000 also sounds great
I love this rough sound. Edited or not, it sounds awesome and every microphone gives it a unique characteristic.
I'm trying to imagine how the song 'Man of Iron' by Bathory would sound like when played by you. Please cover it with your own touch someday 😁
DPA pre-process sounds the best, really a pleasure to hear.
I would love to buy an album full of Gnaal's song, no lyrics or whatsoever, just this intrument and ambient melody
Wow... I need to learn this instrument... I felt that in my heart and bones. The vibrations it gives off are amazing to my ears. Thank you for the video
i love this its the kind of sound you can feel
It sounds amazing unedited, I did not expect it! I want to build one :)
Very nice add well crafted bow harp dude very rustic sound tht grabs 👌
Great video thank you!
Wow, thank you for passing that tip along about marking your strings. I'm definitely going to do that now. It's kinda like how I fret my prototype instruments. I string them up; then use a straight edge to locate where the notes are and cut the frets in. I reference off the string I typically use because otherwise you would end up with frets that are not straight. I'm just a one string wonder anyway.
Beautiful sound and beautiful instrument ! 👏
Thanks to wery good advices. I have trying and struggling to record my self-made jouhikko for a while, but thanks to your tips i think that i will manage to do something that can be listen whitout ears dropping on floor😆 Best wishes from Finland
I bet you can get there with time and the heart.
Does anyone know where to purchase one of these?
I'm in love with the GNAAL sound and it's a beautiful instrument too👏👏 I finished my own tagelharpa a couple of days ago and I also put twisted archery lines for the strings but I can't get it to sound right. I've put a lot of resin on it and on the bow so I don't think it's the problem, it's seems like the bow is not making the enough friction to make vibrate the strings. I'm a complete newbie and I don't really know what the issue could be 😅
Just keep stroking the bow. The sound will come :)
The AKG has a nice balance of tones. Great music my friends!
Wow, love it! It speaks to my soul❤️❤️❤️❤️
Same here. I fell in love with it the first time I heard it. I've never been a musical guy and never played any instruments but I'm going to buy a tagelharpa and learn how to play it
Very useful video. I marked the strings as well when I was using horsehair but since it has to be retuned very often (consequently the string is slowly moving towards the tuning peg) the markings became incorrect after a while. I think that works better with the bowstrings.
If you use a thread you can move it along the string as it changes tone.
Thank you! Fascinating and very useful. The processed DPA sounds great but I guess you mix them all to suit the particular track.
This reminds me of the Dethklock animated guitar lesson on Duncan hill coffee jinge. Awesome stuff.
Greetings from Russia. Thanks a lot for your wonderful videos. I hope you'll do more
Sounds lovely
It sounds like nomadic 👍🏻👍🏻💪🏼
AKG C-1000 very good!
Thank you for making this video! I am going to build a taglharpe and this will help greatly.
I love your music
Just subscribed and found these epic videos! But I wonder how long the "fret-hole" is or if it's named scale-lenght hehe. Awsome vids
I tried the B 50 Dacron archery line made a 4 strand string , it didn't make a sound . The package said B50 bow line , staging thread . Please help , Thank you .
DPA was absolutely amazing, I heard the first notes and couldn't help myself but shout 'wow!' It sounds so natural and warm, yet clearly it is the unique scratchy sound of a tagelharpa. The AKG was impressive too (more clear, but not as warm), the Sontronics and K&K were boring
0:53 thanks a lot for this info 💪!
Great informative video!
Hello, I am building a taglharpa for my education (furniture making with a specialisation course in instrument making) and I have based my design on yours (with credit given in the documentation, because you did an amazing job on this one), but there's two things I can't quite figure out on my own. I really want to use horsehair strings, but I am having great dificulty finding black horsehair of sufficient length, is there much difference when using white horsehair for the strings? I would stille use the black horse hair on the bow, becuase I hear that improve the action and grip.
The second question is regarding the fine tuners. I have found a variety of available fine tuners online, some for gut string, some for steel and some saying they can be used for both. What kind would I need for the horse hair strings?
I would like to end with thanking you before hand for any help you might be able to give me, and for inspiring me to make one of these instruments. I absolutely fell in love with the sound of GNAAL the first time I heard it and have been an absolute blast making my own taglharpa, and learning a whole lot in the process!
DPA Most clean but you need to put your microphon when you are recording the down side far away and the top of microphone seeing at your instrument then we can have a clear view, microphones are used on different posisions to archive the balance of sound so we have bowed lyra more bass so we need to use the top side of microphone to archive a sound balance called sweet spot on any way you save time.
Thanks for your comment, but all microphones are pointing the right way.
what does the tattoo at 3:16 say?
SKUKAFANKR (Shadowcatcher) because Espen is a photographer catching shadows ;)
Where can I get this beautiful instrument?
Excuse me, what's the music at 4:55?? Tell me please
It is just an improvisation made for this video :)
@@ELDRIMmusic Ah, if you knew how we (your fans and subscribers) like these improvisations
@@ELDRIMmusic I would like this song to my gallery if possible 🙏🏻
This lead me to the Question: where can i get a good Tagelharpa? I saw some Onlineshops but i am not sure if theyre good. Anyone who can tell me a good Place to get one?
I love this dark sound but it seems in the shops i found you do not get a harpa with a similar sound:)
I got mine from Staghelm and I love it
Thanks a lot
Great🖤🖤🖤
Thank You Sir
4:49 guys. Just click it.
I have built a taglharpa and am having some difficulty getting the strings to "sing" or resonate. I have B50 Dacron archery line in the 7-9-11 thread sequence that you use. Did you braid or twist the threads together or keep them separate and straight? I'm using dark resin, but can't seem to get the strings to vibrate correctly. Any advice? Thank you!
Hi, David!
I twisted the strings. It will take some time to make the strings "sing". I would like to see a photo , or even better, a video of you playing the instrument before I can give a good answer, but from my experience, it takes some time before a new, bowed instrument works properly.
@@ELDRIMmusic Espen, thanks for your advice! I twisted the strings, and gave the bow and strings a very liberal amount of resin and it is now singing!!! I will post a little video on the facebook group. Thanks again! I play guitar and bass, and have a home recording studio and am one step closer to getting the taglharpa incorporated into the music making here.
This mans regular speaking voice is superior the the vocals of the band he's playing in.
I have some questions please.
Question 1: does the bow require Rosin to make the sound?
Question 2: i tried making my own tagelharpa and nomatter what material i use the moment i put my finger on the string it just immediately muffles and doesnt make any sound. I dont understand how you get the tone change just by touching the string? Ive tried THREE times now with three different strings, horsehair, nylon and a steel turkish lyre string. NONE of them work. Ive literally tried everything and im about to give up. Please help.
It is hard to answer your questions without seeing your instrument and maybe a video.
If you are using Facebook try to contact me there.
Espen Winther.
Thanks for the video. There's a lot of useful information in the video, and great playing as always.
Which mic do you think captures the sound closest to what you hear in the room? I prefer more faithful recordings of acoustic instruments.
I've been thinking about that and it's actually impossible to say. My loudsepakers are not totally neutral and quite certainly sounds different than all the other loudspeakers various people sit in front. Through my loudspeakers and my Beyerdynamics DT770 PRO I would say a mix between the Sontronics and the DPA.
@@ELDRIMmusic In retrospect, that was kinda a stupid question. But that is interesting, I actually think those two microphones produced the best sound. Anyways, thanks for the video.
Thank you!
No questions are stupid :)
Have you ever heard of synthetic bow hairs for cello related instruments? You recently switched over to archery line, which got me thinking that you might be able to use synthetic bow hair for the strings on Gnaal. Apparently the strands are rough and textured like horse hair, so it might give you a more faithful sound.
Thanks for this video, I appreciate it a lot! I am an amateur luthier from Norway, too, and I was planning on making a talharpa with similar dimensions. I have checked your plans you published on Facebook, and compared it to your video. For me it seems that the scale length (the distance between the nut and the bridge) you mentioned in the video (625 mm) is way too short. I tried to calculate the ratio of the full length of the instrument and the model you published, and it seems more like a scale length of ca. 750 mm with the total length of 1050 mm is more realistic. Are my calculations sort of correct? Setter stor pris på ditt svar. :)
Hi!
The drawings in the album is a bit bigger than what I ended up with. Mostly because it was hard to get a hold of long enough horse hair.
As I mention in the video: the total length is 104cm. and the width is 20cm.
Ok thanks for the info!
The sound of this instrument is incredible! I'm curious, when you say you use B50 archery line for the strings, do you purchase a complete bow string and modify it? Or do you buy the polyester string on a spool and wind your own strings? I was looking online and couldn't really find a place to buy bowstrings with set numbers of strands, so I thought I'd ask for advice. I really appreciate how much information you're willing to share on these lovely instruments:)
Thank you!
I buy a spool and make my own.
@@ELDRIMmusic Awesome! Do you happen to wax the strings? Thank you so much
@@adamhorner3950
The b50 is waxed, but you might mean resin?
I put resin on both the bow and the strings.
@@ELDRIMmusic Ah okay, both are good to know. Thank you again:)
Wow, that sound is awesome, I love it. What's the different between dacron B55 and yours? Also, what's the diameter of the B50 line? Thanks in advance.
Hello, me again haha. I had another quick question. I've recently finished making my own Talharpa thanks to your plans and advice! I've noticed it goes out of tune really easily though. I'm also using strings made of B50 archery line with the same number of strands as yours too. Do you twist your strings to a certain tightness or anything to help them stay more stable, or does Gnaal also go out of tune rather quickly? Looking forward to hearing from you!
Are you sure it's not your tuning pegs that move?
@@ELDRIMmusic I'm pretty sure, they're quite tight and creak sharply if they slip. I was trying to tune it E3,B2,E2 and it would quickly drop in tuning while playing. I tried D3,A2,D2 tuning instead and it's been fairly stable, which is weird to me because it's not THAT far from the previous tuning. I'm honestly a bit stumped, haha.
@@adamhorner3950 I have recently built my own tagelharpa and noticed the same thing. Strings naturally stretch under tension so any time I put new strings on or adjust the strings there would be a period of a few days where I would play for a few miniutes- retune. Play for a few minutes- retune. Possibly 10 or so times a session and then leave the strings overnight under tension and repeat. The strings will gradually settle in an stay in tune longer and longer. I think by nature of the material we are using (horse hair, fishing line, archery line, etc.) the strings will be more tempermental than the metal strings of a guitar or traditional string instrument. Hope this helps!
Robert Plants badass brother
What’s the tuning? I heard the string gauges but I didn’t hear the tuning info
d-A-D
@@ELDRIMmusic thanks I would have thought that it would be in the key of G
Awesome sound, what does your Runic tattoo translate to?, I was trying to google around and see what it means with the runic alphabet but couldn't figure it out lol
So, when you play live. Do you play using guitar pedals or something like that? Or how do you get the reverb and delay on live performances? Sorry, i have not seen you play live. It's on my bucket list, and preferably on the Midgard festival! :)
It is all controlled by the sound engineer.
Красиво
To me, Sontronics gave the most favourable sound. Both Big Twin and DPA kinda sounded like you were in the next room. C-1000 was also good but...too crystal clear for my ears.
This applies to both processed and not
SONTRONICS STc-2 to much resonance in the middle frequencies
first bois
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exelente!
Strings, strands, does not matter. Your point still came across. So does the music, does not matter if I understand your native tongue, I am still listening to beautiful music.
Edit: Have you ever talked to Ghaal? Idk if you know him, he was a black metal vocalist.
Thank you!
No I have never talked to Ghaal.
@@ELDRIMmusic :) That's okay, just wondering, and I still find The Bowed Lyre to be your best piece. Much love from the US.
I don’t mean to diminish the uniqueness of this instruments but it’s just very very similar in structure, function, and sound to the Mongolian analogous instrument called Morin Khuur
Lol Nagging, yes know it well....Wife and Children, wife wins that hands down... great insight on the instrument. Peace
What are the tunes for the strings?
dAD
@@ELDRIMmusic thank you so much