Perfect answer for anyone who says your videos are biased (I don't, I've always found your comments to be honest & balanced, even if I don't always agree with them) - if they were, the S3 would have won, I'm sure! Personally, I like the "old skool" buttons on the BMW (my sister in law has a 19 plate 2 series Msport coupe, so I've seen something like it & it beats a touch screen, IMHO). That grille, though....what WERE BMW thinking! The Audi looks very similar to my Wife's new Edition 1 35 TFSi A3 (supposed to be a Sport, but she ended up with the Ed 1 due to a defect with the original car - long story!). Same 19" wheels, same interior & very similar seats (with quilted Alcantara centre panels, rather than leather, which I prefer, to be honest). It's s big step up from a Sport, but striking how similar it is to the S3 - almost identical (but with half the hp). Think if I was buying either of these cars, I'd wait for the Mk8 Golf R 🤣.
Good comment. Personally I am reserving judgement on the G8R and have ordered a CR Yaris to run alongside my 7.5R, whilst I form a view on the mk8 as it rolls out. Never thought I’d buy a Toyota, buy I just fancy some greasy road fun.
The interior in the latest one series is really good. I hate the exterior, but they’ve nailed it inside for me. It’s not flash, but it’s bloody well made unlike that nasty, chintzy interior that Mercedes out I the A Class. The fact that it retains buttons and the idrive wheel is a huge plus point in my opinion. I don’t like the relentless march of touchscreens high I don’t think are practical when driving. The only negative of the BMW interior is the digital dash....it’s horrible. I’m not sold on the latest S3 at all (not that I was on previous versions either). What is it with Audi and their love of bloody chrome.
@@samcourt6228 I agree. The chrome doesn't really bother me - I could live with an S3, apart from the lack of space (hopefully VW will do the Mk8 R as an Estate too)
Just a note if you are under 25 you can’t test drive any S cars from any Audi dealership😂 that’s one of the factors why I bought my m135i and it puts a smile on my face everyday
I've owned the M135 now for 4 months and I can't fault it, superb daily drive and build quality excellent. The performance of this car is outstanding and it's not to bad on the fuel either!
@heathoatmeal - Unbiased / Top notch!!!! did you actually listen to his comments , I've never heard a more biased BMW fan boy. He was doing down the Audi every second breath.
@@peterrichards7387 what? The Bmw is simply better quality in this case. It is what it is, the mk8 is lower quality in some ways than the mk7, same goes for the 8Y vs the 8V. They are better in some ways and worse in others, it’s going to come down to what you value more personally.
I’ve just stepped down from an M140i to this new 4 pot M135i. And what I like about it is, it feels like my old Golf GTI. Which I absolutely loved. And The standard grill with mat grey surround and chrome accents looks better than this gloss black version in my opinion.
Oh no!! I really like the BMW despite being a long term buyer of VW for the last 30+ years.... and I REALLY don’t like the current MK8 Golf. That BMW For me is now a serious contender 😱 What next BMWizard?😉😂
Try a Mini Clubman JCW. Similar underneath to the BMW but more fun to drive. Cheaper as well with a good deal. Don't forget luxury car tax is based on manufactures price and not any OTR deal price.
I had 4 golfs spanning 16 years and absolutely loved them. My favourite was the GTD. I recently jumped and got a M135i because the new golf gti/gtd had only minimal changes. Best decision I’ve ever made and I love the m135i
BMW are making some fantastic cars at the moment especially the new 3 series and I’m a VAG fan. I think the previous gen 8V was the high point for the A3, this new one seems to have gone backwards a bit especially with the interior quality. I still reckon the Mk8 Golf R will be the one to beat.
I have just bought an M135I over the S3. And I’m so glad I did, it just feels like a mature race car, really sharp and quick. Looks sooo much better in person. Driving it daily around town etc, the fuel is really good surprisingly. I didn’t like the back of the S3 and how plain the interior looked. But very close cars, but the BMW is better in my opinion.
Came in an Audi fan, finished the video wanting a BMW. Interior quality and small things make a difference. BMW has better factory front brakes. I also understand that the Audi isn’t fully loaded. Panoramic moon roof look nice on that BMW.
As usual, a very honest review, Andrew. Having recently replaced my Audi A4 with a fairly new BMW 3 series, I was super impressed with the quality of the interior which does make it feel special. Good to see different manufacturers on your channel.
Excellent video. Very in depth comparison. Test drove both myself recently and found the m135i to be very underwhelming.... felt the S3 was less clumsy and a tighter drive.
Thanks! 👍 Yes that's possibly true, difficult to push the BMW in the conditions and in the time available but it was so much better for quality and specialness that it could have had 4 flat tyres and still won!
Hahaha.. you turn coat Andrew! You can’t beat good and honest reviews. We all know you are VAG through and through so for you to choose the BMW you’re not messing about!
Well, it's simple really, why did I buy an A3 or RS3 in the past and are those criteria being met by the current car and the answer is no. I loved my RS3 saloon, I didn't care about understeer and you could actually make it power oversteer so it had some 'adjustability' to it but I loved the interior especially with the RS interior styling pack which put alcantara on the centre console. New RS3 might have this too BUT it's a bit pointless when the carpets and a lot of the plastics now look like an A1 or Polo, it's like getting your clothes from Matalan but wearing a Hugo Boss hat. It's annoying on the £38k S3, I think I might get plain angry with the £50k RS3!
So near to buying a GTI, TCR or R and then they stopped production for the MK8. Now have a M135i and am really impressed, best of both worlds and a brilliant every day driver.
Great piece of work, informative and utterly unbiased I really hope the other car manufacturers see this video and give you other cars and brands to test. One of my favourite car You Tubers 👍
Nice balanced review. 👍 Glad I’ve got a Golf 7.5, 3-door, manual in Lapis blue. With 19’s and adaptive... still love it after nearly 4 years. Keep up the great work. Best wishes, Steve 😁🇬🇧
I like the looks of the BMW in the metal, on camera the front grill looks large and flat but in person you realise it wraps the front of the car and are not as in your face as you think. Also the side contour is lost on most press videos and photos which is more evident in the metal. Overall I like it. The decision for me is m135i or m235i
As a long term Audi/VW customer who recently jumped ship to the new M135i (one year old press car with all the toys!) it was great to see your excellent review Andrew. After test driving the new A3 and Series 1, it was the quality of the interior that clinched it for me. I have the alcantara seats which personally I prefer to the leather, as well as the heated steering wheel and head up display which aren't even options on the S3. My only disappointment was the lack of configurability of the virtual display which is better on the Audi, although the iDrive infortainment is great.
Hi Simon, I was a little miffed the BMW digitial cluster wasn't anything like as configurable, considering this is just software it seems a bit weird, maybe Audi have a patent? Which press car was yours? It's always fascinating to see what they were doing, I don't have an issue with buying one provided it's not been on track extensively. Did you know it was a press car as BMW registered so many Y reg cars it can be harder to spot than the KY Audis?
Well done on the video, as VAG group car owner I'm all for flying the flag, but cost cutting has robbed the S3 of its premium specialness and the BMW in this case is a better product.
There needs to be a bigger conversation about VAG cost cutting. I've had some terrible experiences reliability wise and repair cost wise with my Scirocco and more recently the A5. I'd also argue driver engagement wise, they've all gone backwards since the mk5 Golf. The mqb platform has cut costs and taken something away from the hatchbacks. The cars look great, they have the premium badge, but I don't feel they have the premium build and driver experience anymore. Dieselgate has killed them. It's even seeped through to the dealership experience. I've had rubbish experiences with Essex Audi and Inchcape VW. My sister bought a John Cooper Works from Fairfield Mini a few years, absolutely fantastic customer service since, night and day difference. Glad Andrew has been honest in this review.
For A VAG enthusiast your comparison was very unbiased and objective.. you've earned my respect and that was a very good video. Big ups to you all the way from South Africa
Thanks man, it's appreciated. Unlike a lot of YTers I'm not intent on making a living out of this so I am able to tell it as it is without fear of a manufacturer press office telling me I can no longer borrow cars . @jayemmoncars is one channel where they speak the truth and it's his only job so work hard enough, gain the respect of viewers by being honest and in the long run it's for the best .
I have a BMW M135i which I recently replaced my BMW 335XD with, it's as quick albeit not with the low down torque I had the 6-cylinder 335. Never driven a S3 but I'd agree with much of the review of the BMW, weak point for me is the gear box which feels slower than the ZF in the 3-series. The car has a little torque steer from FWD bias and handling wise could take stiffer suspension set-up (I have the active). The sound is a little synthetic in elsewhere in the cabin and some of the plastics are a trade down from my 3-series (it's a 1-series after all). All in all though it's a great car to drive day to day for commute etc.
Sorry but IMO that S3 interior is way more interesting to look at. I’m sure there’s some austerity as far as materials because they’ve been going down that path for awhile, but I think the BMW looks a generation behind it inside.
Quite the opposite and you may have your opinion but every motoring journalists have said the BMW interior is class leading. Unless you sit inside both cars which I have you wont get a true sense of it.
I've seen quite a few people on VW/Audi forums jump ship to BMW lately, and this review confirms why. BMW also tend to give bigger discounts and have better finance options.
The M135i F40 is absolutely not a drivers car. Yes I've owned one, also a Golf R 7 & 7.5. The BMW is massively compromised from an engineering point of view - Their first fwd, their first xdrive with transverse engine, Toyota Aisin gearbox - why couldn't they design a proper twin clutch which is what a high performance car needs? Interior quality is not special as so many perceive - the centre console buttons panel is cheap & nasty, you press one button and they all move. The dash is boring, bad design, bland, not customisable like VAG cars. Waiting for a Golf R 8 now, when it arrives later this year
@@Rocketed12 I wish I could agree as far as BMW built quality goes. I had my heart set on a new Golf r, but after experiencing the new interior I realized it really wasn't what it used to be... Since then my girlfriend has been given a 118i as a company car and I was instantly taken by its quality. She has had it for a little while now and I have had more time to play with it and I really can't find fault ... I am going to take an m135i for test drive, to see if I enjoy the drive!
Ok so as prices stand September 2021 the new Golf r stock will cost just over 40k yet as far as im aware both these cars in stock form come in at less than 40k which is important for tax reasons.
I tell you what, it'd be REALLY interesting to see what you think of the newer i30N coming out soon with the DCT. Especially with the updates they're making to the cabin.
Don't forget i30N pricing £30k 280ish bhp on the new one, forged 19" wheels, memory heated seats and wheel, climate, cruise, rear camera, sat nav, wireless charging, all the custom modes, dynamic dampers, very fruity valved exhaust, all stock. Only option is paint colour. The build isn't quite as good as the very best speaking as an owner of the current i30N but it is better than many and driving ability is up there withheld very best hatches.
Respect. I own an M135 as a second car and i had 6 Audis and currently have an A6 50 TDI, so i’m an Audi lover. But. Audi is loosing something in latest times. This M135 is a winner car, something like an old-school sport car. Really emotional, Audi is becoming hybrid in emotions, very good cars but just machines. This M135 is the car to buy if you want to feel something special and sporty
M140i is more comparable to the RS3 imo - albeit not in cost! I moved from a 2016 RS3 to a 2019 M140i auto and the RS3 is a more exciting car imho. I’ve driven the new M135i and it actually covers ground well, quicker point to point than a 140 on typical UK roads.
@@benjaminrhodes9582 maybe but it's still strange driving a FWD BMW. I also think BMW will bring out a 1M with around the 400 bhp to compete with the RS3 and the A45.
@@enzot6283 BMW will never bring out a 1M because that badge went to its original rear engine supercar. Rumours has it that an all electric supercar will be coming out in the coming year. They have learnt the lessons from the i8 and will make a car comparable to the Porsche Taycan and maybe even quicker
Great head to head. I'm the BMW fan boy here, but I don't like the new styling of the 1 series, I still own the old one and love the driving experience. Being honest here, the Audi is the one I'd probably have based on the looks. Both strong performers tho.
Thanks for your input Paul, yes the Audi is a great looker but the quality downgrades compared to old A3 and that M135i was too much to ignore especially at £40k (less of an issue on sub £30k S line which are very similar to S3)
Such a thorough and balanced review. I've been saying audi dropped the ball with this S3 ever since it was launched and was surprised by all the reviewers essentially praising it. Turns out they are probably bought and paid for. Thank you for a dose of real journalism. It's been badly needed.
I am a Audi guy but I like this review and faults you found with Audi now turning the s3 into a car that doesn’t feel much more better than a a3 s-line.
not living in Britain but seeing a lot of these clips I am always surprised watching the speed which they drive on small roads with a lot of potential danger coming from the side of the road. Do not get me wrong. I like speed especially on the highway but on the B roads?
Great review. Although Audi seem to have lost there way in some respects with the S3 , the same could be said of the BMW not being rear wheel drive only. The 6 cylinder engine in the old model was great but I guess emission laws have laid that variant to rest 😩
Not only the emission laws but there was really no place for the M140i. Besides a few niche group of fanboys that car made no sense. There was a reason no other manufacturers attempted to make a 6 cylinder rear wheel drive hot hatch.
Would you trade in a golf r for either car? It seems based on your video both are ok cars but not worth upgrading to if you had say the older model s3 or golf r? How does the current cupra r compare to both too?
Great video. We could see the pain when BMW won! The new front wheel drive 265hp 128ti to rival the GTI also an interesting option, providing you like auto and additional red styling! Cheaper than the Golf too....
Agreed! Even the latest Civic Type R in watered down Sportline trim looks acceptable against Mk8 GTI in my opinion. Hope the Golf R looks more coherent in the flesh....
Always listen to a testers tone of voice during an Audi v BMW face off. It speaks volumes, the Audi is always monotone, the BMW the pitch is higher and more excited. BMW cannot be matched for driving experience. Go click on any head to head test you’ll see what I mean.
Was a VW man for years had had several Golf GTI's the quality and reliability dropped very badly and I moved to BMW in the mid 90's and with just one exception (which was a dealer issue - drove the car into a ramp) the cars have been very good, a 318, 318 touring, 323, 525 & my present 530i E60 which is a bit tired after 15 years but still going strong and frugal. The Audi is in a really nice colour, the battleship grey of the BMM is awful (to me). I can't stand all the excess chrome on the Audi and the grill is too big and unbalanced. The info display is too low in the Audi and below the driver view line which is not good. I profess I like the 1 series and my daughter has a 2018 118i Msport which is really nice car but the new one does move it on. The 135i has been given good review especially on poise but a lot of moaning about the loss of the B58 six cylinder engine.
I only ever see S-line trims on YT which is disappointing... never edition 1 which is much nicer with the black styling and alcantara. I'm surprised the S3 isn't like an Ed1 as standard. Which trim do you have? I've ordered Ed1 in white 👍🏻
@@lewis6546 I got the S-line and paid for the Mythos Black. I love it. Also, I know what you mean with the reviews. The Edition 1 is lovely, but was more than I wanted to pay. Have you got the interior lighting pack?
@@TomG1991 The mythos is decent and will look smart with the silver trim I'd reckon 👍🏻 yes mate the ambient lights is the option I wanted most, its lovely 👌🏻
@@lewis6546 few things that have annoyed me. No heated seats, reverse camera, front sensors, buttons/sun shield not adapted for right hand drive, and potentially a blind spot alert. I think these kind of things should be standard on a £29k car. Especially when Seat/Ford are producing this at a fraction of the cost. However, I love it!
@@shadygiz yesterday was the day that it got installed on me own m135i. You are absolutely right! I would have never imagined that a 4 banger could sound this good!! :)
Great review Andrew, I've said this before about your videos, but very funny throughout again! on the Bmw "don't tell anyone!" All cars have their faults, and each manufacturer has their own querks, but I'm worried about the things you rightly mentioned on the audi. That carpet is awful in the s3, puts me in mind of the later mk2 golfs which went with a thinner, less plush covering than the earlier cars, and the "s" door sills and on the steering wheel!?? I can't believe they haven't tried a bit harder there. I wonder what direction the group are taking, and is it in anyway to do with Piech sadly not being around anymore?
you said 'THE BUTTONS IN BMW are OLD ,but the quality is perfect'. YOU WOULD rather have screens instead of the buttons? Just for the sake of future is here, now?
Would love you to do a comparison video between the mk8 GTI and the new mk4 Skoda Octavia VRS as the Skoda seems a superior car at first glance and better value for money.
Anyone help but feel that the previous gen cars are better propositions? Why one of these over a 7.5r? Or if you want a RWD driver focused car then it’s the m135i/40i easily... Great video none the less
Totally agree with your opinions above. The Audi interior has taken a backstep from the previous generation... The BMW grills are making otherwise good cars on the whole be seen as unpalletable on all the cars they have slapped them on ..
M135i is a step up from your m-sport mate. The new non RS Audis are a slap in the face for the price. Then for RS3 money you could have an m240i/340i. Bmw's drive better, cost less and have better interior and tech at this price point. Problem is Audi always save stuff for higher end models but you can see 1 series in an 8 series.
That journalist was right AUDI defo cut down on the interiors there still nice though how many times do u really feel a door card though 🤔 S3 for me all day
Brilliant video Mr C yet I’d go the S3 as an overall ownership proposition purely based upon my own BMW Mini experiences as I found the Cooper S chassis one dimensional yet I agree with your verdict here as RS3 likely a better match and the BMW spec is really nice yet the face oh no cannot do the gaping grille - the Audi S3 in spec tested would fill my driveway nicely :) and keep me entertained
Owned the M135i F40 for just over 5k miles now and it’s getting better and better, had the Golf R Mk7 before it and would never go back, never lets me down on grip and power in manual brings a huge smile to my face. You can see and feel the quality difference between the R and M135i... great video, should have started the BMW up in sport for the pops and bangs 👍🏻
A good honest review. I have got an 18 plate S3. And I am awaiting the new version. You are spot on about the interior not a patch on the previous version. It also a shame that they have pumped in the Rs3 soundtrack as the previous version doesn't and the car sounds fine even with the stupid regs.
Find them both boring looking inside and out probably get slated for this but the Mazda 3 is the best looking hatch around right now shame they aren't making a hot version.
Great video Volks, both are very good cars by the look of them but neither will tempt me away from my Gti pp 7.5 dcc, dyn audio, dsg, sun protection brilliant drive. Tried a Cayman 2 weeks ago, very disappointed and glad to get back in my Golf 😇
Lower range Audi interiors rear have taken a drop in quality, they even put lower quality door cards on the rear doors just to save a few quid, not much difference between a VW and Audi interior now.
Only seeing this now in fact. Good video. Only not agreeing with the final verdict. But, it is simply because the arguments you use to pick the BMW above the Audi, are one of personal taste, people agree or disagree, but in the end it is personal. Driving-wise they are quite close. And to me, having driven both, and besides that a few other cars as well, the BMW always feels like they are stuck in time, while Audi and some others are moving forward with their design. Some in a good way, others not so much. For example, I don't like the complete button digitalisation of the G8R. On the other hand, it gives a clean finish inside the car. De gustibus non est disputandum.
I owned an M135i - Definitely not a "drivers" car. Didn't like the gearbox also. Plus blind spot drivers door mirror. I much prefer the VAG 7 speed dsg for several reasons.
Are you abandoning Ingolstadt and defecting to Munich? That calls for you to be re-christened to maybe the _Bimmer-Wizard_ ? lololl :-) Thanks for a great, informative video, as always. Cheers
Good review Andrew. i have really fallen out of love with the vw group interiors lately. but that bmw grill!! at least you can't see it from the drivers seat suppose. bmw for me.
Another great & honest review. I ordered my M135i a while ago and should hopefully be arriving in July 🤞🏻the one you reviewed was in the 19's so without the adaptive suspension. Mine will be on 18's also without the adaptive suspension. In your opinion will the suspension be too firm or just right please?
I have the previous S3 and for me it's the best car I ever had. Now looking for a new one. Tne new S3 or indeed the M135i. I think I might be going for the BMW. If only because going from S3 to S3 is kind of boring....
It's your opinion on this comparison, like you said the VW group is cutting costs and BMW are trying to gain terrain in this segment making more even no doubt is a good product but the ride very harsh and AWD isn't as good as the Quattro. While BMW need to the advert this version, Audi don't even bother to do so. That roundabout was a joke by the way, the car it's much more balanced and interactive than the older versions that's what really makes the difference not a dummy proof hot hatch. The Audi it's always quicker not just on b road, the gearbox it's miles away from the BMW, in resume it's much more mature car which the decade's of development prove, once the BMW it's the first front wheel drive platform. The interior it's much nice to the look than the BMW.
Perfect answer for anyone who says your videos are biased (I don't, I've always found your comments to be honest & balanced, even if I don't always agree with them) - if they were, the S3 would have won, I'm sure! Personally, I like the "old skool" buttons on the BMW (my sister in law has a 19 plate 2 series Msport coupe, so I've seen something like it & it beats a touch screen, IMHO). That grille, though....what WERE BMW thinking!
The Audi looks very similar to my Wife's new Edition 1 35 TFSi A3 (supposed to be a Sport, but she ended up with the Ed 1 due to a defect with the original car - long story!). Same 19" wheels, same interior & very similar seats (with quilted Alcantara centre panels, rather than leather, which I prefer, to be honest). It's s big step up from a Sport, but striking how similar it is to the S3 - almost identical (but with half the hp).
Think if I was buying either of these cars, I'd wait for the Mk8 Golf R 🤣.
Good comment. Personally I am reserving judgement on the G8R and have ordered a CR Yaris to run alongside my 7.5R, whilst I form a view on the mk8 as it rolls out.
Never thought I’d buy a Toyota, buy I just fancy some greasy road fun.
The interior in the latest one series is really good. I hate the exterior, but they’ve nailed it inside for me. It’s not flash, but it’s bloody well made unlike that nasty, chintzy interior that Mercedes out I the A Class. The fact that it retains buttons and the idrive wheel is a huge plus point in my opinion. I don’t like the relentless march of touchscreens high I don’t think are practical when driving. The only negative of the BMW interior is the digital dash....it’s horrible.
I’m not sold on the latest S3 at all (not that I was on previous versions either). What is it with Audi and their love of bloody chrome.
@@samcourt6228 I agree. The chrome doesn't really bother me - I could live with an S3, apart from the lack of space (hopefully VW will do the Mk8 R as an Estate too)
New audi 35 a3 sline to lease was 2500 down , 150 a month in early november was tempted. 2 years 10k a year
Just a note if you are under 25 you can’t test drive any S cars from any Audi dealership😂 that’s one of the factors why I bought my m135i and it puts a smile on my face everyday
I've owned the M135 now for 4 months and I can't fault it, superb daily drive and build quality excellent. The performance of this car is outstanding and it's not to bad on the fuel either!
I’m thinking of getting one. What kind of mpg are you getting?
@@DawahDigital anything from 12-35 MPG depending what mode and how you drive it.
@@stujones2966 thanks for answering man! Appreciate it! God bless
@@stujones2966 12mpg! Jeez is your right foot made from lead?!
@@rupertevans6847 everything in sports and a diving boot on 👍
Unbiased car journalism.....a refreshing change, top notch
Thank heathoatmeal, I can not tell you how much that means to me👍
@heathoatmeal - Unbiased / Top notch!!!! did you actually listen to his comments , I've never heard a more biased BMW fan boy. He was doing down the Audi every second breath.
@@peterrichards7387 what? The Bmw is simply better quality in this case. It is what it is, the mk8 is lower quality in some ways than the mk7, same goes for the 8Y vs the 8V. They are better in some ways and worse in others, it’s going to come down to what you value more personally.
I’ve just stepped down from an M140i to this new 4 pot M135i. And what I like about it is, it feels like my old Golf GTI. Which I absolutely loved. And The standard grill with mat grey surround and chrome accents looks better than this gloss black version in my opinion.
128ti vs Golf GTI will be a really interesting battle!
I’m very interested to see how that one shapes up.
Me too!
You know the Golf will easily be beat by the Bmw, far better quality in Bmw
I've got a feeling the BMW will be far superior.
Forgone conclusion,golf loses.
Oh no!! I really like the BMW despite being a long term buyer of VW for the last 30+ years.... and I REALLY don’t like the current MK8 Golf. That BMW For me is now a serious contender 😱
What next BMWizard?😉😂
Bayerwizard doesn't have the same ring to it 😂😂
Try a Mini Clubman JCW. Similar underneath to the BMW but more fun to drive. Cheaper as well with a good deal. Don't forget luxury car tax is based on manufactures price and not any OTR deal price.
@@stevecade857 cheaper for a reason besides the badge. The interior has a lot if cheap plastics and the build is not a good
I had 4 golfs spanning 16 years and absolutely loved them. My favourite was the GTD. I recently jumped and got a M135i because the new golf gti/gtd had only minimal changes. Best decision I’ve ever made and I love the m135i
hahaha. . .i gotta love your verdict when saying a winner witha face a mother can love. .. buy heyyyyyyyyyyy big up M135i
BMW are making some fantastic cars at the moment especially the new 3 series and I’m a VAG fan. I think the previous gen 8V was the high point for the A3, this new one seems to have gone backwards a bit especially with the interior quality. I still reckon the Mk8 Golf R will be the one to beat.
I have just bought an M135I over the S3. And I’m so glad I did, it just feels like a mature race car, really sharp and quick. Looks sooo much better in person. Driving it daily around town etc, the fuel is really good surprisingly. I didn’t like the back of the S3 and how plain the interior looked. But very close cars, but the BMW is better in my opinion.
Picked up my m135i yesterday, incredible motor, anyone watching this video you won’t be disappointed! 👍🏻
Came in an Audi fan, finished the video wanting a BMW. Interior quality and small things make a difference. BMW has better factory front brakes. I also understand that the Audi isn’t fully loaded. Panoramic moon roof look nice on that BMW.
same here
Don't do it. The twin clutch gearbox is 10 times better than the torque converter auto. Been there, done that.
As usual, a very honest review, Andrew. Having recently replaced my Audi A4 with a fairly new BMW 3 series, I was super impressed with the quality of the interior which does make it feel special. Good to see different manufacturers on your channel.
Thanks George! Hopefully the first of many non-VAG cars👍
But your 3 series is unstable on high speed, so is much worse than audi i think
Great video as always Andrew !
Thanks again man!
Excellent video. Very in depth comparison. Test drove both myself recently and found the m135i to be very underwhelming.... felt the S3 was less clumsy and a tighter drive.
Thanks! 👍 Yes that's possibly true, difficult to push the BMW in the conditions and in the time available but it was so much better for quality and specialness that it could have had 4 flat tyres and still won!
great vid, cant wait to see a full review of the Mk8 Golf R
Coming soon Wseem!
Hahaha.. you turn coat Andrew! You can’t beat good and honest reviews. We all know you are VAG through and through so for you to choose the BMW you’re not messing about!
Well, it's simple really, why did I buy an A3 or RS3 in the past and are those criteria being met by the current car and the answer is no. I loved my RS3 saloon, I didn't care about understeer and you could actually make it power oversteer so it had some 'adjustability' to it but I loved the interior especially with the RS interior styling pack which put alcantara on the centre console. New RS3 might have this too BUT it's a bit pointless when the carpets and a lot of the plastics now look like an A1 or Polo, it's like getting your clothes from Matalan but wearing a Hugo Boss hat. It's annoying on the £38k S3, I think I might get plain angry with the £50k RS3!
@@volkswizard Can you not upgrade the carpets and/or seat materials as an option? Audi Exclusive or whatever it is called now?
So near to buying a GTI, TCR or R and then they stopped production for the MK8. Now have a M135i and am really impressed, best of both worlds and a brilliant every day driver.
MK7 you mean
@@billx4266 stopped production of Mk 7.5. New Mk 8 interior not to my liking. M135i build is better and right combination of buttons and tech.
Great piece of work, informative and utterly unbiased I really hope the other car manufacturers see this video and give you other cars and brands to test. One of my favourite car You Tubers 👍
The speed of the gear changes on the Audi's S-Tronic are staggering. I cannot say one is better than the other just different.
Nice balanced review. 👍
Glad I’ve got a Golf 7.5, 3-door, manual in Lapis blue. With 19’s and adaptive... still love it after nearly 4 years.
Keep up the great work.
Best wishes,
Steve
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How is oil consumption in your R? Must you refill sometimes?
Very good video. Drove an s3 and prefer my Cupra ateca. BMW looks good though
Not driven the Ateca Cupra yet but one day. Formentor looks great too
I like the looks of the BMW in the metal, on camera the front grill looks large and flat but in person you realise it wraps the front of the car and are not as in your face as you think. Also the side contour is lost on most press videos and photos which is more evident in the metal. Overall I like it. The decision for me is m135i or m235i
For the m135i - Would you recommend the 19” wheels or
18” with adaptive suspension??
As a long term Audi/VW customer who recently jumped ship to the new M135i (one year old press car with all the toys!) it was great to see your excellent review Andrew. After test driving the new A3 and Series 1, it was the quality of the interior that clinched it for me. I have the alcantara seats which personally I prefer to the leather, as well as the heated steering wheel and head up display which aren't even options on the S3. My only disappointment was the lack of configurability of the virtual display which is better on the Audi, although the iDrive infortainment is great.
Hi Simon, I was a little miffed the BMW digitial cluster wasn't anything like as configurable, considering this is just software it seems a bit weird, maybe Audi have a patent?
Which press car was yours? It's always fascinating to see what they were doing, I don't have an issue with buying one provided it's not been on track extensively. Did you know it was a press car as BMW registered so many Y reg cars it can be harder to spot than the KY Audis?
Great video, genuine & honest.
Glad I bought the right car (a 2017 M140i of course) ....
Well done on the video, as VAG group car owner I'm all for flying the flag, but cost cutting has robbed the S3 of its premium specialness and the BMW in this case is a better product.
Thanks Phil, the S3 is still a good car but it could be so much better
There needs to be a bigger conversation about VAG cost cutting. I've had some terrible experiences reliability wise and repair cost wise with my Scirocco and more recently the A5. I'd also argue driver engagement wise, they've all gone backwards since the mk5 Golf. The mqb platform has cut costs and taken something away from the hatchbacks. The cars look great, they have the premium badge, but I don't feel they have the premium build and driver experience anymore. Dieselgate has killed them. It's even seeped through to the dealership experience. I've had rubbish experiences with Essex Audi and Inchcape VW. My sister bought a John Cooper Works from Fairfield Mini a few years, absolutely fantastic customer service since, night and day difference. Glad Andrew has been honest in this review.
@@karlbristow1223 vw isn’t a “premium” badge
For A VAG enthusiast your comparison was very unbiased and objective.. you've earned my respect and that was a very good video. Big ups to you all the way from South Africa
Thanks man, it's appreciated. Unlike a lot of YTers I'm not intent on making a living out of this so I am able to tell it as it is without fear of a manufacturer press office telling me I can no longer borrow cars . @jayemmoncars is one channel where they speak the truth and it's his only job so work hard enough, gain the respect of viewers by being honest and in the long run it's for the best .
I have a BMW M135i which I recently replaced my BMW 335XD with, it's as quick albeit not with the low down torque I had the 6-cylinder 335. Never driven a S3 but I'd agree with much of the review of the BMW, weak point for me is the gear box which feels slower than the ZF in the 3-series.
The car has a little torque steer from FWD bias and handling wise could take stiffer suspension set-up (I have the active). The sound is a little synthetic in elsewhere in the cabin and some of the plastics are a trade down from my 3-series (it's a 1-series after all). All in all though it's a great car to drive day to day for commute etc.
Love the bimmer! Owned several BMWs over the years, before pulled the trigger on my first VAG car, current 19 R.
Gud review, think u need a better mic though sounds a bit muffled to me...
Appreciate your honest review. Thank you.
So honest, insightful, and engaging. Keep up the great work! This is quality journalism
Sorry but IMO that S3 interior is way more interesting to look at. I’m sure there’s some austerity as far as materials because they’ve been going down that path for awhile, but I think the BMW looks a generation behind it inside.
Quite the opposite and you may have your opinion but every motoring journalists have said the BMW interior is class leading. Unless you sit inside both cars which I have you wont get a true sense of it.
Touch screen and lack of physical buttons is dangerous, we can’t use a phone yet at 80mph I have to enter submenu...crazy
Great video bro, well done. Shame the bmw looks like a warthog
Great review. Question mk8 Clubsport or bmw 135i. Does the BMW come close?
It thrashes it lol
I've seen quite a few people on VW/Audi forums jump ship to BMW lately, and this review confirms why. BMW also tend to give bigger discounts and have better finance options.
Good point. CarWow quote 10% off BMW and just 5% off A3
The M135i F40 is absolutely not a drivers car. Yes I've owned one, also a Golf R 7 & 7.5. The BMW is massively compromised from an engineering point of view - Their first fwd, their first xdrive with transverse engine, Toyota Aisin gearbox - why couldn't they design a proper twin clutch which is what a high performance car needs? Interior quality is not special as so many perceive - the centre console buttons panel is cheap & nasty, you press one button and they all move. The dash is boring, bad design, bland, not customisable like VAG cars. Waiting for a Golf R 8 now, when it arrives later this year
@@Rocketed12 I wish I could agree as far as BMW built quality goes. I had my heart set on a new Golf r, but after experiencing the new interior I realized it really wasn't what it used to be... Since then my girlfriend has been given a 118i as a company car and I was instantly taken by its quality. She has had it for a little while now and I have had more time to play with it and I really can't find fault ... I am going to take an m135i for test drive, to see if I enjoy the drive!
Ok so as prices stand September 2021 the new Golf r stock will cost just over 40k yet as far as im aware both these cars in stock form come in at less than 40k which is important for tax reasons.
I tell you what, it'd be REALLY interesting to see what you think of the newer i30N coming out soon with the DCT. Especially with the updates they're making to the cabin.
Me too, got the current I30N and I’m impressed.
Don't forget i30N pricing £30k 280ish bhp on the new one, forged 19" wheels, memory heated seats and wheel, climate, cruise, rear camera, sat nav, wireless charging, all the custom modes, dynamic dampers, very fruity valved exhaust, all stock. Only option is paint colour. The build isn't quite as good as the very best speaking as an owner of the current i30N but it is better than many and driving ability is up there withheld very best hatches.
Respect. I own an M135 as a second car and i had 6 Audis and currently have an A6 50 TDI, so i’m an Audi lover. But. Audi is loosing something in latest times. This M135 is a winner car, something like an old-school sport car. Really emotional, Audi is becoming hybrid in emotions, very good cars but just machines. This M135 is the car to buy if you want to feel something special and sporty
Awesome review dude thanks!
You say you've no experience with the previous 1 series....have a drive in the previous 140i with rear wheel drive and 340 bhp.
M140i is more comparable to the RS3 imo - albeit not in cost! I moved from a 2016 RS3 to a 2019 M140i auto and the RS3 is a more exciting car imho. I’ve driven the new M135i and it actually covers ground well, quicker point to point than a 140 on typical UK roads.
@@benjaminrhodes9582 maybe but it's still strange driving a FWD BMW.
I also think BMW will bring out a 1M with around the 400 bhp to compete with the RS3 and the A45.
enzo t that would be awesome 😎 the new RS3 should be quite interesting as well, assuming Audi build it to outgun the A45 with 420+ HP
@@enzot6283 BMW will never bring out a 1M because that badge went to its original rear engine supercar. Rumours has it that an all electric supercar will be coming out in the coming year. They have learnt the lessons from the i8 and will make a car comparable to the Porsche Taycan and maybe even quicker
09:05 a metal look trim surround the speakers would look nice 😊
Looking at changing my car to one of these M135s but what about the alternative X2 M35i ?
The EA888 engine getting 35mpg? is that before you turn it on?
Great head to head. I'm the BMW fan boy here, but I don't like the new styling of the 1 series, I still own the old one and love the driving experience. Being honest here, the Audi is the one I'd probably have based on the looks. Both strong performers tho.
Thanks for your input Paul, yes the Audi is a great looker but the quality downgrades compared to old A3 and that M135i was too much to ignore especially at £40k (less of an issue on sub £30k S line which are very similar to S3)
Such a thorough and balanced review. I've been saying audi dropped the ball with this S3 ever since it was launched and was surprised by all the reviewers essentially praising it. Turns out they are probably bought and paid for. Thank you for a dose of real journalism. It's been badly needed.
Glad you enjoyed it PTA
Great review.. thanks for this. It would be good to see a comparison between the m135i and the golf mk8 👍
Thank you for such a detailed review.
I am a Audi guy but I like this review and faults you found with Audi now turning the s3 into a car that doesn’t feel much more better than a a3 s-line.
Love it! Nobody ever mentions the carpets. They are really cheaper in the Audi.
not living in Britain but seeing a lot of these clips I am always surprised watching the speed which they drive on small roads with a lot of potential danger coming from the side of the road. Do not get me wrong. I like speed especially on the highway but on the B roads?
Great review. Although Audi seem to have lost there way in some respects with the S3 , the same could be said of the BMW not being rear wheel drive only. The 6 cylinder engine in the old model was great but I guess emission laws have laid that variant to rest 😩
Not only the emission laws but there was really no place for the M140i. Besides a few niche group of fanboys that car made no sense. There was a reason no other manufacturers attempted to make a 6 cylinder rear wheel drive hot hatch.
Audi looks good generally, but BMW has more reputation especially in South Africa
Would you trade in a golf r for either car? It seems based on your video both are ok cars but not worth upgrading to if you had say the older model s3 or golf r? How does the current cupra r compare to both too?
I think the 0 dislikes speaks for itself :D great, and honest review from a VAG fanatic
That confirms my suspicions that the dislikes were from Joe Achilles fans 🤣
@@volkswizard 😂😂😂😂😂
Great video. We could see the pain when BMW won! The new front wheel drive 265hp 128ti to rival the GTI also an interesting option, providing you like auto and additional red styling! Cheaper than the Golf too....
Yeah I saw that and it's fascinating. Still got to overcome the looks but then vs Golf 8 it's an easier battle than A3/S3.
Agreed! Even the latest Civic Type R in watered down Sportline trim looks acceptable against Mk8 GTI in my opinion. Hope the Golf R looks more coherent in the flesh....
Great video Andrew. I'm still sticking with my golf lol.
What is the name of the blue paint on the Audi?
The BMW would be my choice. Even the outside looks better imo. I particularly love the front end compared to the Audi. Great review Andrew 👍
Thanks Gavin, much appreciated 👍
Always listen to a testers tone of voice during an Audi v BMW face off. It speaks volumes, the Audi is always monotone, the BMW the pitch is higher and more excited. BMW cannot be matched for driving experience. Go click on any head to head test you’ll see what I mean.
BMW won always from 0-100 also against a35
Was a VW man for years had had several Golf GTI's the quality and reliability dropped very badly and I moved to BMW in the mid 90's and with just one exception (which was a dealer issue - drove the car into a ramp) the cars have been very good, a 318, 318 touring, 323, 525 & my present 530i E60 which is a bit tired after 15 years but still going strong and frugal. The Audi is in a really nice colour, the battleship grey of the BMM is awful (to me). I can't stand all the excess chrome on the Audi and the grill is too big and unbalanced. The info display is too low in the Audi and below the driver view line which is not good. I profess I like the 1 series and my daughter has a 2018 118i Msport which is really nice car but the new one does move it on. The 135i has been given good review especially on poise but a lot of moaning about the loss of the B58 six cylinder engine.
I own the A3....I think the inside is gorgeous and so does everyone else 😂
I only ever see S-line trims on YT which is disappointing... never edition 1 which is much nicer with the black styling and alcantara. I'm surprised the S3 isn't like an Ed1 as standard.
Which trim do you have? I've ordered Ed1 in white 👍🏻
@@lewis6546 I got the S-line and paid for the Mythos Black. I love it. Also, I know what you mean with the reviews. The Edition 1 is lovely, but was more than I wanted to pay. Have you got the interior lighting pack?
@@TomG1991 The mythos is decent and will look smart with the silver trim I'd reckon 👍🏻 yes mate the ambient lights is the option I wanted most, its lovely 👌🏻
@@lewis6546 few things that have annoyed me. No heated seats, reverse camera, front sensors, buttons/sun shield not adapted for right hand drive, and potentially a blind spot alert. I think these kind of things should be standard on a £29k car. Especially when Seat/Ford are producing this at a fraction of the cost. However, I love it!
@@TomG1991 all the things you listed are available in an option pack for just over 1k
I've had the M135i since june last year, had the remus race OPF back exhaust fitted @ Motech, makes it sound totally different.
My Remus exhaust will arrive tomorrow I’m super excited for the sound! Are you still happy?
@@AmperahGaming Yes very happy with the exhaust, it totally transforms the car
@@shadygiz yesterday was the day that it got installed on me own m135i. You are absolutely right! I would have never imagined that a 4 banger could sound this good!! :)
@@AmperahGaming love the pops & bangs on start up and the pops when you downshift to 2nd or 3rd when engine is cold
How much was that?
Great review Andrew, I've said this before about your videos, but very funny throughout again! on the Bmw "don't tell anyone!"
All cars have their faults, and each manufacturer has their own querks, but I'm worried about the things you rightly mentioned on the audi. That carpet is awful in the s3, puts me in mind of the later mk2 golfs which went with a thinner, less plush covering than the earlier cars, and the "s" door sills and on the steering wheel!?? I can't believe they haven't tried a bit harder there. I wonder what direction the group are taking, and is it in anyway to do with Piech sadly not being around anymore?
Hello! Could you be so kind to tell me what is the marking of the transmission box on Audi S3 - DQ381 or DQ500?
DQ381 i think. Same as the golf 7.5R
@@Veiee Thank you!
@@Veiee Is the DQ381 transmission box intended not for front drive cars? As far as I know, it is installed on new Skoda Octavia A8 and Golf 8 GTI.
@@mitya_ozerov It has been designed for front and all-wheel drive cars.
@@Veiee The same as DQ250?
you said 'THE BUTTONS IN BMW are OLD ,but the quality is perfect'. YOU WOULD rather have screens instead of the buttons? Just for the sake of future is here, now?
Would love you to do a comparison video between the mk8 GTI and the new mk4 Skoda Octavia VRS as the Skoda seems a superior car at first glance and better value for money.
Really good video this, cheers.
Glad you enjoyed it Anthony!
Anyone help but feel that the previous gen cars are better propositions?
Why one of these over a 7.5r?
Or if you want a RWD driver focused car then it’s the m135i/40i easily...
Great video none the less
Totally agree with your opinions above.
The Audi interior has taken a backstep from the previous generation...
The BMW grills are making otherwise good cars on the whole be seen as unpalletable on all the cars they have slapped them on
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Brilliant review 👍
Whoever designed the front of that BMW must also have a side job working for looney tunes or a manga cartoon firm
The S3 costs double fully speced, but it’s a serious car you can see it’s a step up. And btw I’m a 2022 1 series owner
M135i is a step up from your m-sport mate. The new non RS Audis are a slap in the face for the price. Then for RS3 money you could have an m240i/340i. Bmw's drive better, cost less and have better interior and tech at this price point. Problem is Audi always save stuff for higher end models but you can see 1 series in an 8 series.
That journalist was right AUDI defo cut down on the interiors there still nice though how many times do u really feel a door card though 🤔 S3 for me all day
The BMW looks like the guy who designed the side of it was standing on the side of a hill
Lol
Great video mate 👍🏻
Thanks Justin
Really fair review and a great comparison. I've booked a test drive at BMW tomorrow to give it a go myself :-)
Awesome content love it thanks!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it Menho🙌
Good video. Compare the 2021 models of the same vehicles.
There's this very technical review And theres me with my 2011 s3 esp off and plant it round a tight corner/bend and go weeee as your sideways 😂
Brilliant video Mr C yet I’d go the S3 as an overall ownership proposition purely based upon my own BMW Mini experiences as I found the Cooper S chassis one dimensional yet I agree with your verdict here as RS3 likely a better match and the BMW spec is really nice yet the face oh no cannot do the gaping grille - the Audi S3 in spec tested would fill my driveway nicely :) and keep me entertained
Owned the M135i F40 for just over 5k miles now and it’s getting better and better, had the Golf R Mk7 before it and would never go back, never lets me down on grip and power in manual brings a huge smile to my face. You can see and feel the quality difference between the R and M135i... great video, should have started the BMW up in sport for the pops and bangs 👍🏻
A good honest review. I have got an 18 plate S3. And I am awaiting the new version. You are spot on about the interior not a patch on the previous version. It also a shame that they have pumped in the Rs3 soundtrack as the previous version doesn't and the car sounds fine even with the stupid regs.
Find them both boring looking inside and out probably get slated for this but the Mazda 3 is the best looking hatch around right now shame they aren't making a hot version.
Great video Volks, both are very good cars by the look of them but neither will tempt me away from my Gti pp 7.5 dcc, dyn audio, dsg, sun protection brilliant drive. Tried a Cayman 2 weeks ago, very disappointed and glad to get back in my Golf 😇
Lower range Audi interiors rear have taken a drop in quality, they even put lower quality door cards on the rear doors just to save a few quid, not much difference between a VW and Audi interior now.
Did you say the Bmw was less planted ?
I'm subbed to alot of car channels with hundreds of thousands of views. But the quality of this review was THE BEST!
Wow, thanks Alex, I am genuinely touched by your kind words👍
Only seeing this now in fact. Good video. Only not agreeing with the final verdict. But, it is simply because the arguments you use to pick the BMW above the Audi, are one of personal taste, people agree or disagree, but in the end it is personal.
Driving-wise they are quite close. And to me, having driven both, and besides that a few other cars as well, the BMW always feels like they are stuck in time, while Audi and some others are moving forward with their design. Some in a good way, others not so much. For example, I don't like the complete button digitalisation of the G8R. On the other hand, it gives a clean finish inside the car.
De gustibus non est disputandum.
They should offer a larger wheel base for European markets just to allow for all the extra clothing in winters😂
I owned an M135i - Definitely not a "drivers" car. Didn't like the gearbox also. Plus blind spot drivers door mirror. I much prefer the VAG 7 speed dsg for several reasons.
Nice review Andrew 👍 That grill on the BMW reminds me of someone who has put too much lipstick on, Ronald McDonald comes to mind 😂
To much bottox more like.
Are you abandoning Ingolstadt and defecting to Munich?
That calls for you to be re-christened to maybe the _Bimmer-Wizard_ ?
lololl
:-)
Thanks for a great, informative video, as always.
Cheers
Not yet Yusuf - but I'll register than domain just in case.... ;)
Audi make great cars , very classy and nice to drive , if you want a car to put a smile on your face then its BMW all daylong .
If only I could get either one in the USA!
Good review Andrew. i have really fallen out of love with the vw group interiors lately. but that bmw grill!! at least you can't see it from the drivers seat suppose. bmw for me.
Another great & honest review. I ordered my M135i a while ago and should hopefully be arriving in July 🤞🏻the one you reviewed was in the 19's so without the adaptive suspension. Mine will be on 18's also without the adaptive suspension. In your opinion will the suspension be too firm or just right please?
I have the previous S3 and for me it's the best car I ever had. Now looking for a new one. Tne new S3 or indeed the M135i. I think I might be going for the BMW. If only because going from S3 to S3 is kind of boring....
It's your opinion on this comparison, like you said the VW group is cutting costs and BMW are trying to gain terrain in this segment making more even no doubt is a good product but the ride very harsh and AWD isn't as good as the Quattro. While BMW need to the advert this version, Audi don't even bother to do so. That roundabout was a joke by the way, the car it's much more balanced and interactive than the older versions that's what really makes the difference not a dummy proof hot hatch. The Audi it's always quicker not just on b road, the gearbox it's miles away from the BMW, in resume it's much more mature car which the decade's of development prove, once the BMW it's the first front wheel drive platform. The interior it's much nice to the look than the BMW.
YES! Just sat down with a brew and this popped up on my subscription feed......and RELAX! Love your videos mate