But the Sith don’t LIKE War, they LOVE War. All their lives they have been purveyors of war. They drive to work in their shitty car and they see a rich CEO who works half as hard as they do driving past in his Porsche: class war. They get to work and they see there are random drug screenings today and they just happened to take a puff of their one hitter last night at dinner with their wife’s shitty parents: Drug war Then they see that the only ones being tested are their black and Hispanic coworkers: Race war Then they go home and see on tv “who gets the box? What’s in the box? How much is what’s in the box worth?”: Storage Wars
Interesting that Niman, a light side form, seems to be more effective in the hands of dark siders. Both Exar Kun and Darth Krayt were Niman specialists who were considered top-tier duelists in their respective eras.
If you put the hours in, the fact that Niman combines the other five "legal" forms can make you pretty lethal, but as Alan alluded to, most Niman practitioners focus on Diplomacy and the Force and don't expect to actually need their blades in the field for anything other than a psychological edge - kind of like what Mace Windu says to the other three Masters in the HISHE for Revenge of the Sith - "I know you think just whipping out the lightsabre makes you look intimidating, but this is a Sith Lord we're talking about so don't just stand there and let him stab you slowly or something stupid like that. Expect severe resistance, you understand? We are Jedi Masters for crying out loud"
I believe the battle-master at the Sith academy in the first book of the Darth Bane trilogy was also a form 6 specialist who taught standard and saber staff variations but intentionally didn't teach duel wielding so that his students couldn't ever beat him in a real fight. Also I think Starkiller used form 6.
@@TheMichaellathrop I think Kasim had mastered all 7 forms. I like it when Bane asks if the sabrestaff gives Kasim an advantage, and Kasim says "Yes, but not the one you think it does"
The way Alan describes it sounds a lot like how a Sport Karate fighter is trained differently, namely to get points rather than a Traditional Karate fighter who is trained to beat your opponent until they give up.
or any martial art that is used more for sport and philosophy more then just "here's how you kill someone" "here's how you break 27 bones in 3 fast and effective moves"
It is worse than that. Some of these masters are trained and maybe even willing to beat their opponent till they give up. What they aren't trained for and willing to do is to kill their opponent. They feel invincible and everyone thinks that they are. They aren't. Jedi can easily be killed, it's just harder and you can't always do it one on one, but you can do it if the Jedi isn't going to take you as a threat at any point, you have the right equipment, or you have an environmental advantage, like in space. So, they are going to go from thinking they're invincible mystic guardians of light to just another meatbag that needs to sleep off every fight in a bacta tank or they die. The PR loss is bad enough for the ego hit, but actually no longer feeling invincible because some hacks that can barely use the Force are killing Jedi and want to potentially start up a war between Force users is a whole other pants wetting factor.
My headcanon for years is that form 6 was easy to learn but difficult to master. By combining all five other forms a beginner would find it quite versitile, but at the same time it took years longer to perfect than the other forms. But once a jedi got there they could seamlessly flow from one stance to another; they would be able to handle anything thrown at them, and by switching up their forms (and using a wide array of force implementations) they could keep an enemy on their toes. A true master of Niiman would be extremely difficult to put down as there'd be no surefire trick to beating them.
the problem with that is that most Jedi who study that form use it as a "cheat" form that they can get by on so they can actually focus their study on something else. those who are acknowledged as having mastered the form in Legends were absolutely unstoppable powerhouses that were virtually unbeatable.
When you began talking about the difference in the fighting styles, Chirrut Îmwe immediately came to mind. Glad to see yo made the same connection in the end.
I think Niman was a blank slate sort of form, they’d learn Shi Cho, then train the basics of the others as padawan and then settle into Niman later as it was easy to maintain and the Jedi considered it the pinnacle. Simple basics but able to tailor and add concepts from others. So if you were just doing the bare minimum, sure you could get by but you’d be outclassed by someone who had spent more time with practical fighting or specialized in one form (Dooku, Obi-wan, Anakin, etc). But the people like Exar Kun and others who used the form I think likely tailored it to their style, using it to cover all bases and add elements of other forms to it. So you kinda get into it what you get out of it. But it tends to be what the Jedi Masters who hadn’t fought a real duel in years and spend their time on diplomacy used. So it gets a bad rep because those jedi were the ones who died first.
I'm really looking forward to seeing this era of the Republic. As you've pointed out in previous videos, the Jedi's relationship with the Republic is fascinating. Showing how differently they operated. They're seem similar to marshals in this era.
Yes. Hopefully Mangold delivers with this 'Dawn of the Jedi' movie.. Happy to go for it's Movie Theater Screening, not to Rey Palpatine's. I've enjoyed The Acolyte's first 2x episodes streaming. I love Aesthetics, Wardrobe, Sounds & more look El Bueno 🙂 Lee Jung also took the character very well. Have a good time with rest of the season as episodes drop to D+ 🙂 I always wind-down at late evening by streaming with "65 Led Telly 🛋🧘♂
New topic to look into on your show. What if the death star used tech from the separatist and Randell ship builders to reduce the crew size for the death star and all it's military ships . What would be the benefits , cons of all this automation .
I've seen a few lightsaber form analysis videos before, and with Niman/Form 6 specifically, the problem is that most Form 6 specialists are NOT combat specialists, using the form because it requires less practice to maintain a minimum proficiency, because lightsaber skill is simply expected of them. But a Form 6 specialist who practices as much as specialists of other forms, would be a VERY different beast. Which is why Exar Kun and Darth Krayt, Form 6 specialists, are known as such strong duelists.
Having just watched the first two episodes and now watching this afterwards, i must say the trailer did a good job of showcasing the show without giving anything away
First Form 6 sounds like it was a creation coming from a place of fear and uncertainty. That's a recipe for failure. I'm so glad we have Jedi with regular body proportions. I mean guys that weigh 250-300 with muscles the size of boulders are cool if that's you do you but.. bro I ain't trying to spend 10+ hours a week in the gym.
I liked the first couple of episodes of the Acolyte. I think that it is a kind of wushan version of the Jedi and I think it highlights that the Jedi use their ability to see the future to kill off people that they think will be a great evil. I provides a dichotomy of how our choices effect our future and our future is set and reguardless of what we do the future will unfold as it always would.
Game idea: Take a drink every time Alan says Jedi or Arrogant in the same sentence. I'd like to say that I've missed this part of Alan, but not really. It's been nearly 2 years since he's had his favorite punching bag back and I can tell he's gonna have more than fun with this series, so....enjoy, I guess.
@TheyCallMeCarg they have their own equivalent. I forgot the name of it. But in legends there was something similar. It's not the Ruusan Reformation but that's the only name coming to mind rn. Pretty sure it predated the RR
Respecting a white flag is more about pragmatism than the avoidance of cruelty. If you violate a white flag then the enemy has no reason respect your white flag. Next thing you know you're enemy never surrenders (needless death on both sides) and will butcher your people if they ever win a battle. It's the core of what the concept of war crimes is based on. The fact that the enemy is using robot soldiers makes little difference.
Alan's good talk as always 🥳 Last night i started streaming The Acolyte via D+ ^^ I love S01E01 & half of S01E02 (i'll finish streaming this evening) & noticed how both episodes bring that Star Wars world feeling 😋 Atmosphere is right there 🙂 I'll restream both before next week's S01E03 😋 Everyone do enjoy S01 via D+ & share el bueno word 🙂
Unfortunately Showrunner Leslye Headland has no knowledge of Star Wars lore or she would not be trying to change the force to suit a “modern era audience.” Even George Lucas himself has come out and said people don’t understand the Force the way he meant it to be. Disney are trying to make the Force into a Disney like magic system (witches and all that) and it’s not going to please anyone because it loses the very thing that made Star Wars special.🥹
I love how your theory was almost immediately shattered as we saw the Jedi in The Acolyte being absolutely incredible fighters . And it’s not like your theory was wrong it’s just that the choreography in Ashoka and Obi Wan was so much worse that the battled hardened Jedi looked borderline incompetent in comparison to the ones form The Acolyte
Form 6 was basically a jack of all trades master of none. And it's like learning multiple languages at the same time. Your time and focus are divided and you have to learn how to switch styles on the fly. To truly be effective in Form 6, you had to devote a ton of time and effort, probably more than any other form which most practitioners didn't seem to do. They just made sure they had a rudimentary understanding of the basics. I'm certain if someone put in the time to actually refine form 6 it can be pretty useful
In legends, some of the heaviest hitters were form 6 users. I think it was like you said where it was an evolution and either not meant to be relied on exclusively or mastered to the point of perfection like Kenobi and form 3. If someone took the basics of form 1 to heart and perfected that as well as form 6, they would end up essentially mastering both extremes.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on how The Blade of Bardotta himself - Master Porter Engle fought! Might have to wait until his next miniseries comes out though.
I really only consider Jedi Master Bastila Shan from KOTOR that used that blade color, for actual character & lore reasons. Rey/Disney just cheapened this.
The thing I always thought was odd was that the Jedi had as peacekeepers defaulted to form 6, which while a good all around form seems less useful for their roles as peacekeepers than form 3 whose anti blaster defensive focus seems like it would have been the best option in a non war non dueling situation. Yes form 1 would be marginally better and form 2 significantly against opponents armed with more conventional melee weapons that are made out of lightsaber resistant materials, but when they are attacked in these time periods it's almost always with a blaster and thus I would think forms 3 or 5 make the most sense as a default being the two best counters to the available ranged weapondry.
I feel like you are ignoring the fact that the acolyte takes place only a couple decades after the Nihil crisis. Most of the Masters in the Order will have come of age during this crisis and so they would have understood the importance of combat training. Maybe the Jedi were starting to transition back to a more “peacekeeping” posture at this point, but they definitely aren’t 500 years removed from a major conflict. I also think that there would still have been many Jedi who naturally would have been more interested in studying/being involved in combat (Kirak Infil’a should be around at this time period,) so I think you may be overstating the decline of Jedi martial skill as a whole. Also, don’t forget that the Jedi had their own form of unarmed Force-based martial art called Shon-Ju that Grand Master Pra-Tre Veter showed to be very effective. It’s possible that some of the Jedi in the acolyte might be using that as well.
I’m kind of conditioned that, the last resort is the blade. Jedi frowned upon [all] weapons. I think the basic reference for this is when Obi-wan dismembered that alien at the cantina that was about to shoot Luke.
Love your content. I find myself wondering about the 100 years before the show when the Jedi were decimated and were absolutely skilled in martial combat? As far as form 6, it was the building upon each of the other forms, right? So by the time a practitioner arrived at and mastered Niman, they would have already at least learned each of the other five forms. The true jack of all, master of none sort of form wouldn’t be a beginners form? Just some thoughts!
That would assume they taught the forms in order. After form 1 they often skipped over the rest or specialized in one because mastering ALL of them was something only dedicated weapon masters would do. Niman would be more like a short list of all the force empowered techniques from the forms already developed, taking the lessons learned to develop something more streamlined. Think driving stick vs automatic transmission. Automatic transmission came later and skips a lot of the nuance and fine control of the other forms. In other words: why learn 6 different styles of approach to get close when you can pick up and pull your enemy to you with the force? Useless against a sith who can counter it but will bully any non force user
I agree with this. My headcanon for years is that form 6 was easy to learn but difficult to master. By combining all five other forms it took years longer to perfect than the other forms, but once a jedi got there they could seamlessly flow from one stance to another. They would be able to handle anything thrown at them, and by switching up their forms (and the wide array of force implementations) could keep an enemy on their toes. A true master of Niiman would be extremely difficult to put down as there's no surefire trick to beating them.
Some lovely fight scenes. Also, there seem to be some tai chi involved, not the gymnastics but more like the actual self-defence techniques. Master Sol (Or however it is spelled) seem to make use of the opponents energy, diverting and using it against them. That is much harder than it seems, because for such techniques to work the opponent must commit to their move. So contrary to what many think, we trained in normal punching and low kicks aswell. No high kicks in Wudang Tai Chi. But the aim is not to beat your opponent to a pulp, it is to get out of the situation, or if possible de-escalate it. If your opponent realize you want to use their own force against them, they might be more cautious, going for swift, limited attacks so as not to flag what they do. This means they will not be as aggressive and might in turn enable you to achieve what you really want, to get out of there. I love how both masters switch from these less aggressive techniques to occasionally use offensive techniques. But since Mei seem to have trained to be very aggressive with the aim to overwhelm the opponent with speed and aggression, she just plays into their hands. Carrie Ann Moss character seem to be more aggressive and switch more frequently between "soft" and "hard" techniques. Master Sol instead sticks more to the soft, diversion techniques, maybe because he realize that he has the upper hand and at the same time really do not want to harm Mei. Maybe he knows her and really need to interogate her. The fights are really well done as far as I can see. Mei have considerable skill and rellies on speed and aggression to catch the opponent off guard and overwhelm them. It will be interesting to see if she always go for a more or less duel situation or if she also uses tactics. He style would be utterly devastating using ambushes or other kinds of suprise attacks. Defending against suprise attacks are really difficult no matter how well trained you are. But it is in those situations were both the ability to react instinctively and just put up a simple block and if possible then go from there to use the opponents energy against them. That takes training but it is in that moment when you are suprised that an attacker is most likely to go all in and commit all to one attack, it is infact the time when the more "flashy" tai chi techniques can work. If the defender can react instinctively. But against a person who have not drilled and trained as the two masters have done, Mei swift and desicive style of fighting should be devastating.
Not all marital arts start empty hands. When I was a beginner in Kali, we focused on weapons first (single sword, single stick, double sword, double stick, knife, double knife, sword and dagger, stick and dagger & long staff/spear) Once I reached intermediate level, I started to learn empty hands. I already had a base of karate & boxing prior. When I started traditional Japanese arts weapons and empty hands were done equally from the beginning levels. It was heavy weapons oriented (blades of different variety, flexible weapons, staffs of various lengths, throwing weapons then we moved on to transition of weapons to empty hands).
Looks unfortunately are the most superficial thing of all and the easiest to fake out! This show is changing the very concept of the Force and that’s not going to be acceptable to most Star Wars fans. Disney want just another Disney like magic system and Star Wars with its Force was so much more than that.
Good news: It is and brings out good feels of Star Wars world in Galaxy Far Far Away. Alien species, good soundtrack, Nice wardrobe etc. I'll restream first two episodes before S01E03 ^^ [Forever D+ Sub who's excited for this, The Skeleton Crew & Ahsoka S02] 🙂 Enjoy S01 & share good word 🙂
My understanding is that Revan was a master of form 6, and his time was roughly 3,000 years before the High Republic era. So I believe your statement of Niman being developed in the High Republic era to be false.
@@Vihaan-hl3lp it shouldn't matter if he is or isn't, Revan was still a master of Niman and absolutely destroyed several fairly powerful force wielders when he was alive which was sometime around 3,400BBY. That's all I'm saying.
As a fan of you for like 7 yrs plz take off days i get it there aint american or british ben but ide rather not have a slightly blind allen hosting my fave utube series nothin but love and respect to you dawg
Essentailly nimon should be like a Spellsword kinda thing, mixture of combat and force pwoers, but it was never truly pefected and much of its users were too weak.
I think there's a difference between being a PRACTICIONER of Form 6, and being a MASTER of Form 6. some of the most powerful Jedi/Sith of Legends were said to be Form 6 Masters - because to TRULY master Form 6 you had to master each of the five previous forms AND how to incorporate the Force into each of them. Exar Kun. Revan. I've long suspected that Palpatine was a master of Form 6 as well, though that has never been officially confirmed. the weakness of Form 6 is that those who typically practice it do so as a "good enough" form. like they don't want to specialize in lightsaber combat because they want to focus more on diplomacy, exploration, or Force use, so they become proficient in Form 6 to pass whatever requirements they need to, and then focus in on what really interests them. the powerhouses I've named above were the obsessive compulsive types who took the methodology of Form 6 to the extreme. it's a very "you get out what you put in" form.
So about Niman yes when learning the form there are no advance saber techniques and focuses on force abilities is that a master of Niman will have mastered all 5 pervious forms to bring out its potential. You are a jack of all so you must master all. The Jedi Battle Master is always a Niman master as a requirement.
Also the historical context is important - the High Republic expanded into new regions enrolling member states for the Jedi to recruit from and acquiring new technologies and resources. It wasn't a peaceful time - the Jedi saw combat against hostile alien life forms and organised crime gangs as their jurisdiction expanded. One hundred years later many of these new member states chafed under the Republic's mismanagement (lot of taxation, not a lot of promised government services) and joined the Confederacy of Independent Systems. Also the Jedi rethought their training methods after the time of the Acolyte and stuck to indoctrinating children instead of older individuals with pre-existing skills and knowledge, emphasising rote learning over innovation. Darth Sidious would exploit both of these historical trends.
Star Wars has always been more interested in flash over realism. A lightaber style that actually took advantage of the weapon's strengths and minimizes weaknesses would resemble fencing, rather than kendo or medieval European martial arts.
I agree that the details dom matter if the story is not there. I mean Obi-wan and Book of Boba Fett as you say weren’t as top tier as they could have been
The Jedi certainly learned unarmed combat, but lightsabers are "cooler" so those forms have actually been given lore. It seems that specializing in a form has something to do with one's nature and ability. They all learn each form, but might only master 1 form. According to Yoda, Jedi use their lightsaber for defense, but they also used The Force and their unarmed combat techniques for defense as well. Teras Kasi was developed to combat the whole Jedi - lightsaber and unarmed and Force abilities.
If this show took place even earlier (as in Old Republic era) there’d be no more fans of the Dark Side after seeing multiple episodes of Republic Commandos slaughtering lesser Sith students
I don’t get why no force users ever used their lightsaber or lightsabers using only the force. Imagine whatever species yoda is supposed to be as a sith, with 4 small red lightsabers just floating around him when he is fighting. Dude is so attuned to the force that he can close his eyes and just sense everything happening in the fight.
@KhukuriGod I think more than just Kreia should fight like that, particularly, for the Jedi, with how their supposed to be used by the force and all. I could see Sith not liking it due to a possible perceived lack of control, but it'd be perfect for Jedi.
I must admit Allen I'm actually more entertained by your Star Wars videos than a lot of new Star Wars content.
The Sith just wanted to go for a very enthusiastic walk and asking the Jedi if their health plans were apparently great.
A shame the Jedi all dress in robes the way they do, otherwise the Sith could just talk to a Dandy Jedi about a card game
But the Sith don’t LIKE War, they LOVE War. All their lives they have been purveyors of war.
They drive to work in their shitty car and they see a rich CEO who works half as hard as they do driving past in his Porsche: class war.
They get to work and they see there are random drug screenings today and they just happened to take a puff of their one hitter last night at dinner with their wife’s shitty parents: Drug war
Then they see that the only ones being tested are their black and Hispanic coworkers: Race war
Then they go home and see on tv “who gets the box? What’s in the box? How much is what’s in the box worth?”: Storage Wars
Hellsing abridged reference spotted
The Sith also using their hashtag: “life hack” to beat the Jedi
"Wait... Are these guys from Tatooine?"
"They were the only ones that responded to the ad."
"Boy, we are really scraping the bottom of the barrel."
“Some people see vertical transportation, I see a stage and an audience” this was amazing
Interesting that Niman, a light side form, seems to be more effective in the hands of dark siders. Both Exar Kun and Darth Krayt were Niman specialists who were considered top-tier duelists in their respective eras.
If you put the hours in, the fact that Niman combines the other five "legal" forms can make you pretty lethal, but as Alan alluded to, most Niman practitioners focus on Diplomacy and the Force and don't expect to actually need their blades in the field for anything other than a psychological edge - kind of like what Mace Windu says to the other three Masters in the HISHE for Revenge of the Sith - "I know you think just whipping out the lightsabre makes you look intimidating, but this is a Sith Lord we're talking about so don't just stand there and let him stab you slowly or something stupid like that. Expect severe resistance, you understand? We are Jedi Masters for crying out loud"
I believe the battle-master at the Sith academy in the first book of the Darth Bane trilogy was also a form 6 specialist who taught standard and saber staff variations but intentionally didn't teach duel wielding so that his students couldn't ever beat him in a real fight. Also I think Starkiller used form 6.
@@TheMichaellathrop I think Kasim had mastered all 7 forms. I like it when Bane asks if the sabrestaff gives Kasim an advantage, and Kasim says "Yes, but not the one you think it does"
You don't want to buy death sticks, Alan. You want to go home and rethink your life.
I'll buy em 💰
The way Alan describes it sounds a lot like how a Sport Karate fighter is trained differently, namely to get points rather than a Traditional Karate fighter who is trained to beat your opponent until they give up.
There are schools that teach one way or another? Back in the day we were taught both. We can do points and full contact.
or any martial art that is used more for sport and philosophy more then just "here's how you kill someone" "here's how you break 27 bones in 3 fast and effective moves"
It is worse than that. Some of these masters are trained and maybe even willing to beat their opponent till they give up. What they aren't trained for and willing to do is to kill their opponent. They feel invincible and everyone thinks that they are. They aren't. Jedi can easily be killed, it's just harder and you can't always do it one on one, but you can do it if the Jedi isn't going to take you as a threat at any point, you have the right equipment, or you have an environmental advantage, like in space.
So, they are going to go from thinking they're invincible mystic guardians of light to just another meatbag that needs to sleep off every fight in a bacta tank or they die. The PR loss is bad enough for the ego hit, but actually no longer feeling invincible because some hacks that can barely use the Force are killing Jedi and want to potentially start up a war between Force users is a whole other pants wetting factor.
The fight with Master Sol has a "You should just surrender" energy coming from him.
My headcanon for years is that form 6 was easy to learn but difficult to master. By combining all five other forms a beginner would find it quite versitile, but at the same time it took years longer to perfect than the other forms. But once a jedi got there they could seamlessly flow from one stance to another; they would be able to handle anything thrown at them, and by switching up their forms (and using a wide array of force implementations) they could keep an enemy on their toes. A true master of Niiman would be extremely difficult to put down as there'd be no surefire trick to beating them.
the problem with that is that most Jedi who study that form use it as a "cheat" form that they can get by on so they can actually focus their study on something else. those who are acknowledged as having mastered the form in Legends were absolutely unstoppable powerhouses that were virtually unbeatable.
It takes a minimum of 10 years to master Niman.
Definitely similar to form 1 where it was often overlooked or dismissed, but if truly mastered and perfected it was ruthlessly effective.
I just realized that's a CGI of a night at Courescant
Whoa
Oh yeah, outside Alan's window! I didn't notice that! Man, I really gotta up my perception stat.
Go watch the last few lol
@@jazermano this is the gayest comment ive ever seen
Allen is wearing sunglasses because when you're cool, the Sun shines on you even at night.
When you began talking about the difference in the fighting styles, Chirrut Îmwe immediately came to mind. Glad to see yo made the same connection in the end.
Waiting for Darth Tenebrous and Plagueis to show up like “You have become a rival” and just kill everyone
Yeah, with this Disney timeline, Tenebrous doesn't have time to exist
I think Niman was a blank slate sort of form, they’d learn Shi Cho, then train the basics of the others as padawan and then settle into Niman later as it was easy to maintain and the Jedi considered it the pinnacle. Simple basics but able to tailor and add concepts from others. So if you were just doing the bare minimum, sure you could get by but you’d be outclassed by someone who had spent more time with practical fighting or specialized in one form (Dooku, Obi-wan, Anakin, etc). But the people like Exar Kun and others who used the form I think likely tailored it to their style, using it to cover all bases and add elements of other forms to it. So you kinda get into it what you get out of it. But it tends to be what the Jedi Masters who hadn’t fought a real duel in years and spend their time on diplomacy used. So it gets a bad rep because those jedi were the ones who died first.
I'm really looking forward to seeing this era of the Republic. As you've pointed out in previous videos, the Jedi's relationship with the Republic is fascinating. Showing how differently they operated. They're seem similar to marshals in this era.
Yes. Hopefully Mangold delivers with this 'Dawn of the Jedi' movie.. Happy to go for it's Movie Theater Screening, not to Rey Palpatine's. I've enjoyed The Acolyte's first 2x episodes streaming. I love Aesthetics, Wardrobe, Sounds & more look El Bueno 🙂 Lee Jung also took the character very well. Have a good time with rest of the season as episodes drop to D+ 🙂 I always wind-down at late evening by streaming with "65 Led Telly 🛋🧘♂
'his' not this.
Seemed to work well for Exar Kun…. But then he was on a different level
New topic to look into on your show. What if the death star used tech from the separatist and Randell ship builders to reduce the crew size for the death star and all it's military ships . What would be the benefits , cons of all this automation .
I've seen a few lightsaber form analysis videos before, and with Niman/Form 6 specifically, the problem is that most Form 6 specialists are NOT combat specialists, using the form because it requires less practice to maintain a minimum proficiency, because lightsaber skill is simply expected of them. But a Form 6 specialist who practices as much as specialists of other forms, would be a VERY different beast. Which is why Exar Kun and Darth Krayt, Form 6 specialists, are known as such strong duelists.
Having just watched the first two episodes and now watching this afterwards, i must say the trailer did a good job of showcasing the show without giving anything away
I really hope there’s a mention of Starlight Beacon and Nihil in this show coming up. Would make things connect more for a certain group of the fandom
First Form 6 sounds like it was a creation coming from a place of fear and uncertainty. That's a recipe for failure.
I'm so glad we have Jedi with regular body proportions. I mean guys that weigh 250-300 with muscles the size of boulders are cool if that's you do you but.. bro I ain't trying to spend 10+ hours a week in the gym.
A example of a combat version of Form 6 is Sideous vs Maul & Savage.
Maybe when Sidious was using his lightsaber, but after he put them away, it was all just Force techniques, no longer being lightsaber techniques.
I liked the first couple of episodes of the Acolyte. I think that it is a kind of wushan version of the Jedi and I think it highlights that the Jedi use their ability to see the future to kill off people that they think will be a great evil. I provides a dichotomy of how our choices effect our future and our future is set and reguardless of what we do the future will unfold as it always would.
Have you got a vid on all the techniques?
I love the courosaunt traffic in the background
The 1990s movie "The Fugitive" was based on a 1960s-era TV show.
The Fugitive movie in the '90s was based on a TV series in the '60s.
Game idea: Take a drink every time Alan says Jedi or Arrogant in the same sentence. I'd like to say that I've missed this part of Alan, but not really. It's been nearly 2 years since he's had his favorite punching bag back and I can tell he's gonna have more than fun with this series, so....enjoy, I guess.
Is he wrong though?
Is it a war crime if the only casualties were the droids ?
Don’t attack me AI
Does the SW universe even have "war crimes"? I doubt anyone on Coruscant ever heard of the Geneva Conventions.
@TheyCallMeCarg they have their own equivalent. I forgot the name of it. But in legends there was something similar. It's not the Ruusan Reformation but that's the only name coming to mind rn. Pretty sure it predated the RR
@cloudmaster182 The Yavin Convention, I think.
Yavin Code, maybe.
Respecting a white flag is more about pragmatism than the avoidance of cruelty. If you violate a white flag then the enemy has no reason respect your white flag. Next thing you know you're enemy never surrenders (needless death on both sides) and will butcher your people if they ever win a battle. It's the core of what the concept of war crimes is based on. The fact that the enemy is using robot soldiers makes little difference.
Well y'know history is written by the victors and the Jedi/Republic weren't fighting to lose
Yo Allen, she attacked him with no weapon to please her master. He wanted one Jedi dead by bare hand, she wanted to be lethal
Alan's good talk as always 🥳 Last night i started streaming The Acolyte via D+ ^^ I love S01E01 & half of S01E02 (i'll finish streaming this evening) & noticed how both episodes bring that Star Wars world feeling 😋 Atmosphere is right there 🙂 I'll restream both before next week's S01E03 😋 Everyone do enjoy S01 via D+ & share el bueno word 🙂
I am ready to watch a show from an era I don't know well. There iss no ignorance, there is knowledge.
Unfortunately Showrunner Leslye Headland has no knowledge of Star Wars lore or she would not be trying to change the force to suit a “modern era audience.”
Even George Lucas himself has come out and said people don’t understand the Force the way he meant it to be. Disney are trying to make the Force into a Disney like magic system (witches and all that) and it’s not going to please anyone because it loses the very thing that made Star Wars special.🥹
@@PaulusAlone"Anakin blew up the Death Star"
"R2D2 is a lesbian"
@@darthbane5357 - Exactly that! Headland and her crew know nothing of George Lucas’ Star Wars.🥹
I saw the 1st two episodes, and I have to say that they are pretty good in my opinion.
Likewise 🙂 They bring out that Star Wars Atmosphere & general world feeling 🙂
Don't forget the time Mace Windu pulverized an army of Super Battle Droids with just his fists
"fist fights are better. Its how you make friends." My man!
I love how your theory was almost immediately shattered as we saw the Jedi in The Acolyte being absolutely incredible fighters . And it’s not like your theory was wrong it’s just that the choreography in Ashoka and Obi Wan was so much worse that the battled hardened Jedi looked borderline incompetent in comparison to the ones form The Acolyte
Form 6 was basically a jack of all trades master of none. And it's like learning multiple languages at the same time. Your time and focus are divided and you have to learn how to switch styles on the fly. To truly be effective in Form 6, you had to devote a ton of time and effort, probably more than any other form which most practitioners didn't seem to do. They just made sure they had a rudimentary understanding of the basics. I'm certain if someone put in the time to actually refine form 6 it can be pretty useful
My thoughts exactly. Useful to learn, difficult to master.
yes. those acknowledged as having mastered the form in Legends were unstoppable powerhouses who were virtually impossible to defeat.
Was Ezra Bridger using Niman technique in any way as he fought saberless in the Ahsoka series?
No Ezra uses form 4 (thanks to the holocron), form 1 Shi cho and soresu form 3 (learned from Kanan).
@@baki484 cool, thanks!
0:00 I didnt know Florida Man was a person.
In legends, some of the heaviest hitters were form 6 users. I think it was like you said where it was an evolution and either not meant to be relied on exclusively or mastered to the point of perfection like Kenobi and form 3.
If someone took the basics of form 1 to heart and perfected that as well as form 6, they would end up essentially mastering both extremes.
10:54 Actually, The Fugtive was a television show from the 60s. The 90s film was a remake.
Fist fights are much better, it's how you make friends-pure gold! Lol
There’s a lot of aikido-like moves (hapkido) in that fight.
Also, if you’re looking for homages think “crouching tiger, hidden dragon.”
Bro look like he tryna sell me drugs rn lol
can you do a deep dive into young Jedi because it takes place during the high republic and its cannon
I'd love to hear your thoughts on how The Blade of Bardotta himself - Master Porter Engle fought! Might have to wait until his next miniseries comes out though.
Niman was created during the early days of the old republic before the Mandalorian wars.
I so appreciate the banana reference. Those damned yellow banana blades!!!
I really only consider Jedi Master Bastila Shan from KOTOR that used that blade color, for actual character & lore reasons. Rey/Disney just cheapened this.
@@Armann_ colors haven't had a character/ lore meaning since Disney takeover. Aside from red being dark side pretty much
The thing I always thought was odd was that the Jedi had as peacekeepers defaulted to form 6, which while a good all around form seems less useful for their roles as peacekeepers than form 3 whose anti blaster defensive focus seems like it would have been the best option in a non war non dueling situation. Yes form 1 would be marginally better and form 2 significantly against opponents armed with more conventional melee weapons that are made out of lightsaber resistant materials, but when they are attacked in these time periods it's almost always with a blaster and thus I would think forms 3 or 5 make the most sense as a default being the two best counters to the available ranged weapondry.
I feel like you are ignoring the fact that the acolyte takes place only a couple decades after the Nihil crisis. Most of the Masters in the Order will have come of age during this crisis and so they would have understood the importance of combat training. Maybe the Jedi were starting to transition back to a more “peacekeeping” posture at this point, but they definitely aren’t 500 years removed from a major conflict. I also think that there would still have been many Jedi who naturally would have been more interested in studying/being involved in combat (Kirak Infil’a should be around at this time period,) so I think you may be overstating the decline of Jedi martial skill as a whole.
Also, don’t forget that the Jedi had their own form of unarmed Force-based martial art called Shon-Ju that Grand Master Pra-Tre Veter showed to be very effective. It’s possible that some of the Jedi in the acolyte might be using that as well.
I’m kind of conditioned that, the last resort is the blade. Jedi frowned upon [all] weapons. I think the basic reference for this is when Obi-wan dismembered that alien at the cantina that was about to shoot Luke.
@@Armann_ I like that. It seems to fit well with how Luke is portrayed post-RotJ as well (notwithstanding one notable exception.)
Love your content. I find myself wondering about the 100 years before the show when the Jedi were decimated and were absolutely skilled in martial combat? As far as form 6, it was the building upon each of the other forms, right? So by the time a practitioner arrived at and mastered Niman, they would have already at least learned each of the other five forms. The true jack of all, master of none sort of form wouldn’t be a beginners form? Just some thoughts!
That would assume they taught the forms in order. After form 1 they often skipped over the rest or specialized in one because mastering ALL of them was something only dedicated weapon masters would do. Niman would be more like a short list of all the force empowered techniques from the forms already developed, taking the lessons learned to develop something more streamlined. Think driving stick vs automatic transmission. Automatic transmission came later and skips a lot of the nuance and fine control of the other forms. In other words: why learn 6 different styles of approach to get close when you can pick up and pull your enemy to you with the force? Useless against a sith who can counter it but will bully any non force user
I agree with this. My headcanon for years is that form 6 was easy to learn but difficult to master. By combining all five other forms it took years longer to perfect than the other forms, but once a jedi got there they could seamlessly flow from one stance to another. They would be able to handle anything thrown at them, and by switching up their forms (and the wide array of force implementations) could keep an enemy on their toes. A true master of Niiman would be extremely difficult to put down as there's no surefire trick to beating them.
Some lovely fight scenes. Also, there seem to be some tai chi involved, not the gymnastics but more like the actual self-defence techniques. Master Sol (Or however it is spelled) seem to make use of the opponents energy, diverting and using it against them. That is much harder than it seems, because for such techniques to work the opponent must commit to their move. So contrary to what many think, we trained in normal punching and low kicks aswell. No high kicks in Wudang Tai Chi. But the aim is not to beat your opponent to a pulp, it is to get out of the situation, or if possible de-escalate it. If your opponent realize you want to use their own force against them, they might be more cautious, going for swift, limited attacks so as not to flag what they do. This means they will not be as aggressive and might in turn enable you to achieve what you really want, to get out of there.
I love how both masters switch from these less aggressive techniques to occasionally use offensive techniques. But since Mei seem to have trained to be very aggressive with the aim to overwhelm the opponent with speed and aggression, she just plays into their hands. Carrie Ann Moss character seem to be more aggressive and switch more frequently between "soft" and "hard" techniques. Master Sol instead sticks more to the soft, diversion techniques, maybe because he realize that he has the upper hand and at the same time really do not want to harm Mei. Maybe he knows her and really need to interogate her.
The fights are really well done as far as I can see. Mei have considerable skill and rellies on speed and aggression to catch the opponent off guard and overwhelm them. It will be interesting to see if she always go for a more or less duel situation or if she also uses tactics. He style would be utterly devastating using ambushes or other kinds of suprise attacks. Defending against suprise attacks are really difficult no matter how well trained you are. But it is in those situations were both the ability to react instinctively and just put up a simple block and if possible then go from there to use the opponents energy against them. That takes training but it is in that moment when you are suprised that an attacker is most likely to go all in and commit all to one attack, it is infact the time when the more "flashy" tai chi techniques can work. If the defender can react instinctively.
But against a person who have not drilled and trained as the two masters have done, Mei swift and desicive style of fighting should be devastating.
Not all marital arts start empty hands. When I was a beginner in Kali, we focused on weapons first (single sword, single stick, double sword, double stick, knife, double knife, sword and dagger, stick and dagger & long staff/spear) Once I reached intermediate level, I started to learn empty hands. I already had a base of karate & boxing prior. When I started traditional Japanese arts weapons and empty hands were done equally from the beginning levels. It was heavy weapons oriented (blades of different variety, flexible weapons, staffs of various lengths, throwing weapons then we moved on to transition of weapons to empty hands).
10:55 The Fugitive came out in the 1960s. The movie is an update of the TV series
Excuse me, the Star Wars book I’ve been writing, focuses on a Jedi master who MASTERED Niman.
Reluctantly admitting that this looks pretty good
So did the Sequel trilogy if you look at the trailers alone. Really hoping this turns out as good as it looks though
Looks unfortunately are the most superficial thing of all and the easiest to fake out!
This show is changing the very concept of the Force and that’s not going to be acceptable to most Star Wars fans.
Disney want just another Disney like magic system and Star Wars with its Force was so much more than that.
In legends, unarmed combat that disables force users and can be used by Jedi and Sith, is called Teras Kasi
A lightsaber is a really good way to trick a kid into a life of servitude lololol
Rags on Capoeira when Mando is played by one of the most renowned capoeiristas in the world.
You can say that again.
Please be good please be good
Good news: It is and brings out good feels of Star Wars world in Galaxy Far Far Away. Alien species, good soundtrack, Nice wardrobe etc. I'll restream first two episodes before S01E03 ^^ [Forever D+ Sub who's excited for this, The Skeleton Crew & Ahsoka S02] 🙂 Enjoy S01 & share good word 🙂
My understanding is that Revan was a master of form 6, and his time was roughly 3,000 years before the High Republic era. So I believe your statement of Niman being developed in the High Republic era to be false.
Revan isn't canon
@@Vihaan-hl3lp it shouldn't matter if he is or isn't, Revan was still a master of Niman and absolutely destroyed several fairly powerful force wielders when he was alive which was sometime around 3,400BBY. That's all I'm saying.
@@Veldrin-Barra true, I was saying revan isn't canon cuz you said that revan used prior to the high republic but he is not canon
i got ambushed by ningas once 😂
As a fan of you for like 7 yrs plz take off days i get it there aint american or british ben but ide rather not have a slightly blind allen hosting my fave utube series nothin but love and respect to you dawg
9:20 Then should we call this fighting style Neman-fu or man chi?
I love the view of Coruscant. Great touch!
0:05 yea I had that too, probably because I grew up being a gamer and never stopped. My solution was to get glasses :/
Are they finally gonna make an old republic movie
Why the capoeira diss out of nowhere XD
“Mom where’s my Venom helmet?”
Essentailly nimon should be like a Spellsword kinda thing, mixture of combat and force pwoers, but it was never truly pefected and much of its users were too weak.
It's users were weak because they weren't dedicated combat specialists it was picked up by scholars who didn't want to spend to much time practicing.
6:39 “They’re breakdance fighting!”
Alan, do you think Anakin breaking a flag of truce is foreshadowing for what's to come? "Fist-fights are better; it's how you make friends." -Alan
Have you thought about branching out of Star Wars videos and doing other sci-fi?
Speeders in the window 😂😂😂
I think there's a difference between being a PRACTICIONER of Form 6, and being a MASTER of Form 6. some of the most powerful Jedi/Sith of Legends were said to be Form 6 Masters - because to TRULY master Form 6 you had to master each of the five previous forms AND how to incorporate the Force into each of them. Exar Kun. Revan. I've long suspected that Palpatine was a master of Form 6 as well, though that has never been officially confirmed.
the weakness of Form 6 is that those who typically practice it do so as a "good enough" form. like they don't want to specialize in lightsaber combat because they want to focus more on diplomacy, exploration, or Force use, so they become proficient in Form 6 to pass whatever requirements they need to, and then focus in on what really interests them. the powerhouses I've named above were the obsessive compulsive types who took the methodology of Form 6 to the extreme. it's a very "you get out what you put in" form.
So about Niman yes when learning the form there are no advance saber techniques and focuses on force abilities is that a master of Niman will have mastered all 5 pervious forms to bring out its potential. You are a jack of all so you must master all. The Jedi Battle Master is always a Niman master as a requirement.
i thought this came out today, i'm not seeing it up yet anywhere 😥
Comes out at 6pm est
@@malcolmwashington4630 k, thanks!
As the guy above me put it, the show comes out roughly 8 hours after your original comment
@@etazeta674 yep 😅
@@malcolmwashington46309 pm est
you misspoke and said Mae instead of Osha at 11:56
Tera Kasi is on p 50 on the D20 Hero's guide RPG
A Force Adept who chooses Form VI is either *very* good or very dead...and the latter is far more common than the former.
Can’t wait to see young (middle-aged?) Yoda
I wonder how much influence the SWtOR CGI short movies had on the choreography for these unarmed-plus-force fights.
Also the historical context is important - the High Republic expanded into new regions enrolling member states for the Jedi to recruit from and acquiring new technologies and resources. It wasn't a peaceful time - the Jedi saw combat against hostile alien life forms and organised crime gangs as their jurisdiction expanded. One hundred years later many of these new member states chafed under the Republic's mismanagement (lot of taxation, not a lot of promised government services) and joined the Confederacy of Independent Systems. Also the Jedi rethought their training methods after the time of the Acolyte and stuck to indoctrinating children instead of older individuals with pre-existing skills and knowledge, emphasising rote learning over innovation. Darth Sidious would exploit both of these historical trends.
I have a hard time believing anyone proficient with a lightsaber would have an easy time taking on a punk coward using Trakata.
Do you think Qui-Gon would have been more at home with the High Republic era Jedi?
How do we label the idiots who turn their back on their opponents and twirl behind their backs leaving themselves exposed?
If this gets us one step closer to a KOTOR/SWTOR series, I'm all for it.
Or just make those games official canon, save yourself some time 😅
Star Wars has always been more interested in flash over realism. A lightaber style that actually took advantage of the weapon's strengths and minimizes weaknesses would resemble fencing, rather than kendo or medieval European martial arts.
I agree that the details dom matter if the story is not there. I mean Obi-wan and Book of Boba Fett as you say weren’t as top tier as they could have been
The Jedi certainly learned unarmed combat, but lightsabers are "cooler" so those forms have actually been given lore.
It seems that specializing in a form has something to do with one's nature and ability. They all learn each form, but might only master 1 form.
According to Yoda, Jedi use their lightsaber for defense, but they also used The Force and their unarmed combat techniques for defense as well.
Teras Kasi was developed to combat the whole Jedi - lightsaber and unarmed and Force abilities.
Teras Kasi was modelled after Penkat Silat
Fist fights are better. That's how you make friends. LOL!
When 2003 clone wars mace windu enters chat on unarmed combat 😂
If this show took place even earlier (as in Old Republic era) there’d be no more fans of the Dark Side after seeing multiple episodes of Republic Commandos slaughtering lesser Sith students
The Fugitive... 90's era. 😂
>"teraskasi" meaning "steel hand"
so, the Basic is based on Finnish ("teräskäsi" is Finnish for "steel hand")
War crimes only mean something if there is a way to enforce it.
*Lezbun lust story* ❤
that lightsaber reach may be an homage to what a native american war chief trial,
Aikido. The fighting technique he exhibited was more reminiscent of Aikido.
I don’t get why no force users ever used their lightsaber or lightsabers using only the force. Imagine whatever species yoda is supposed to be as a sith, with 4 small red lightsabers just floating around him when he is fighting. Dude is so attuned to the force that he can close his eyes and just sense everything happening in the fight.
Ever played KOTOR 2? Your wish has already been fulfilled in that game.
Ever played KOTOR 2? Your wish has already been fulfilled in that game.
@KhukuriGod I think more than just Kreia should fight like that, particularly, for the Jedi, with how their supposed to be used by the force and all. I could see Sith not liking it due to a possible perceived lack of control, but it'd be perfect for Jedi.
I saw some fanart of a jedi wielding no less than ten lighsabers via the force once, coolest shit I've ever seen.