Much better than seeing altadar price being on 1.1m again😂. Tapi kekurangan dari sistem ini adalah bot-bot extract bakal lebih liar lagi, halo... Ga belajar apa dari xtal blancanine😅😅.
@@AidaShin blancanine white fang dulu untradable, skrg jadi tradable. Dulu harganya cuma 4m-an waktu harga piercer 700an, banyak bot waktu megiston road jual-jualin extract buat orang beli itu xtal. Contoh kasus lainnya ya pas transaksi "cursed xtall" harus dicopot via extract
I don't care what anyone says (especially the botters) making the xtals untradeable is literally perfect, because until now I always just go for the solo rewards and then done, I won't get the xtal anyway and the price is low as well, I really want to work and be able to work for my own stuff
This is will be iruna version of system but more tight rule without abusive rule and player The bot actually kinda problematic, i saw multiple bot from hora Diomede go shop multiple times (a lot bot i encounter in hora Diomedes multiple times and fake player sell material from Venema)
Hmm regarding to the crysta one I don't mind making some new crysta untradable so long it's indeed guarantee on either 1-3 runs on idk ulti I guess? and can still be guaranteed on normal mode like 5 runs or so, so long the untradable crysta is worth the grind for that is And so long those new HDB can still be soloed just for the untradable crysta then I'm fine with it, cuz it will make leech services (no mod) on the rise which it's a win win for most players especially those players who do Altadar Services no mod in El Scaro
just to make it clear(?), there's no changes for non-event bosses' crysta drop rate-- only the hdb crysta that is planned to be untradable, but they still don't know when to do it (edit: you mentioned the "ulti difficulty", so I thought you were talking about the non-event bosses)
@@AidaShin oh sorry for the misunderstanding it's just like the new hdb boss rn there's difficulty on it from normal to hard or is it not a HDB? The one in underwater canyon on the hole btw where spa wear is droppable
@@justaweebguy3615 hdb is a bosses that has a special venue and special npc to challange them-- the venue where you fight altadar. This includes etoise, pedrio, patissia, etc. For bosses like stellar ooze and usasama, they were planning to adding it to the same category as pedrio, etoise, etc. (You can check my video where the thumbnail has altadar in it). Hdb like Zeagrysta and Adaro is not counted as a HDB bosses, unfortunately. It's counted as a one seasonal (summer, etc.) event bosses. I also don't really get the idea behind this, but Sicanokami and Naiata is also not a hdb bosses (they are like, a hidden bosses?)
That's how Toram work in the first place; Valentine event, Christmas event, White day, summer, etc., and if you missed it, just wait for a year (or half of the year for hdb(?)) to come back (though, it's untradable so it's kinda different...). Just like the video says, HDB event is open for like 6 months, so it is a very long time to collect the crysta as much as you can, and there's a party recruitment feature to recruit a party Well, I believe there's still some people selling it on market with the armor, but it would need an Crysta extraction and "Cosignment Board V2" that is rumored to be able to search an equipment with certain stats... Also, there's a stall system (bazaar) so probably some people will open a stall just to sell the untrade xtal
Bueno, con los xtal que no se pueden comercializar me afectarán directamente, mi suerte es poquísima, al punto que siempre compro lo que necesito porque si espero a que me caiga el drop llego a final de año ^^,
Sir, this is not just from Indonesia problem too, but it also problem from Japanese player also doing same has Indonesia player did it, you cannot blame another side, blame both
They can do anything, trade restriction xtal etc, but not upgraded UI especially on party raid player names, boss battle rank screen, come on its just bar, at least say how much % u do dmg, % dmg u take, like we dont even know how they are calculated
(I think) they want to make it simple. Too many information at once will be overwhelming. It might be better if there's an option to turn on and off some sort of "advance mode" so for people who want the extra info can turn it on and who don't can turn it off. But idk, pretty sure they won't (or can't?) do it Post your comment on twitter with #toramrequest so that they see your comment
About Damage Meters, they can be turned into a toxic environment, So I hope they never add it. Even with the Rank Bar System that we have now, some small group of people still trying to make it toxic. But yeah the UI just cannot only Just Work, They really need to Redesign it, or at least make it so it is easy to use and understand, And it's also hard because i can see they don't really care about something like that, something that players would really enjoy that, They even don't realize it even the dev don't realize it. If no one yells at them they also will never think about it. And there are players who just want to play and not to think how things should work but ended up needing to think how things should work. And that is me.
@@Anor-62 so what? dmg meter doesnt indicate you totally leeching, you can support by brave ing the pt, or prorate, Seriously if i dont get attacker rank ill just do that to still get other ranks. Because its so hard to understand those bars and color coded its like a computer language at least its a sense of accomplishment to know how much % dmg u did and how much prorate you do(auto attack)
@@Light_L994 Since that Toxic environment can became a thing is more concerning for me than seeing who is leeching more clearly and who does thing more in a battle that last for a minute or so, I'm afraid we don't have a conversations here.
Mana xtal gratis setelah 3 run yang kau janjikan itu takk. Disaat player mu lfp lfp kamu malah ketawa-ketawa itu ga rizzpek bgt tak. Dan jangan lupa Reset skill gratis nya tak
I think the reason why they want it to be untradable is, rather than the bots giving it away with stacks of Crysta on the market, it's much better if the game itself providing a "free" Crysta for those who challenge the boss. This way, the bots/modder/cheater won't make any profit with their stacks of Crysta on the market and (possibly) to sell the spina they earn from selling it on market.
For real though, how to make bot less effective really.. What i come up with and the crazy way is.. Straight up Make Spina Untradable. Or the more crazy way is make all shop item only useable to player itself if you buy it with unpaid orbs. You only can use it on others player if you buy it only with paid orb. PAY TO WIN WE GO! And the less crazy way is simply make another type off the same/currency, Lets call it "Event" Type of the same/currency for now. If you Buy, Use, or Make anything with any this Type of the same Event Currency, You only can use it to Yourself, It became Untradable, Etc. you name it. And that is also need to be a treeshold, You cannot make all free things became said "Event Currency" because it simply BAD. If that got implement beautifully i can see some change about bot. And that is what i think. Since i cannot think of any that can solve this bot problem.
They need to make the grind for gears alot EASIER and add some sort of rare stuff like decor from monster hunter world that you can only get by defeating high difficulty bosses and such with very low drop rate and ofc make it untradable by every means, add more housing event where player has to visit other players houses and do some sort of rating and interview on their houses like event specifically for that and a guild event like cooking tournament or pet racing tournament by the game itself. add a god damn pity system for the avatar banner, Ease the leveling for pets by 90% and characters by 50% like seriously. and add a dye category for them pets and maybe a pet skin and WEAPONS skin that we could buy with orbs and increase the furniture limit. this way player will lean towards spending their money for orbs to buy skins and stuff instead of spina from webs, because getting a decent gear/good gear wouldn't be as hard anymore. removing the spina and trading system is just too risky because it's one of the reason why people play the game in the first place. so rather than removing spina completely, just add more contents that doesn't require them as much like a social event, more boss that benefits neutral gear alot more instead of DTE because DTE is the MAJOR reason why alot of people bought spina, ease the drop for a 2s additional such as leg silk/ornament this is also one the major reasons why people buy spina from webs. with gears being cheaper we can work on more character instead of just 2 - 3, we can make alot more unique and interesting builds without having to spend an entire life savings to make them work decently and we can spend our money to buy orb buy character slots and get avatars for our characters instead of buying more spina. the bots will decrease significantly by itself with less people buying their spina .
The first options will kill one of the trading mechanics in the game like yeah there's stall and cb but most still prefer to shout and trade than using CB which have tax or using stall which might take too long to be bought, which killing it might disappoints most/if not some players in the game Idk if that really solves botting problem since if spina is untradable they can still just use cb and crash or rise the prices or use Gen Store etc. to earn spina and any other ways a person can think of
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This is actually a good deal. it really gives us a challenge and makes it more fun since the drop rate is high so it's not a total suffering
Finally i can get the Mystic star spear. I missed it last time.
Update : Got it finally.
Waits it's gonna go back?? 😮
@@Puwi-zs6ho When summer end
Yes same
Yessir
clip arigatoune~
Atleast it makes me stayed there a bit longer instead just done one solo them move on without looking back.
I remember untradable xtal already exists and they just put them on the gear and then just sell the gear
At least it would deletes the fat stack of crysta on consigment board and make it a bit harder to sell it all at once.
ok i actually kinda like the idea
Much better than seeing altadar price being on 1.1m again😂. Tapi kekurangan dari sistem ini adalah bot-bot extract bakal lebih liar lagi, halo... Ga belajar apa dari xtal blancanine😅😅.
Emang ada apa di masa xtall blancanine? '-'
@@AidaShin blancanine white fang dulu untradable, skrg jadi tradable. Dulu harganya cuma 4m-an waktu harga piercer 700an, banyak bot waktu megiston road jual-jualin extract buat orang beli itu xtal. Contoh kasus lainnya ya pas transaksi "cursed xtall" harus dicopot via extract
@@faranyx hoo, baru tau :v
Blum main toram di masa itu sih
Mantap penjelasannya mudah di mengerti, bararti ada drop yang bisa ada nama pemain dan barter
I don't care what anyone says (especially the botters) making the xtals untradeable is literally perfect, because until now I always just go for the solo rewards and then done, I won't get the xtal anyway and the price is low as well, I really want to work and be able to work for my own stuff
This is will be iruna version of system but more tight rule without abusive rule and player
The bot actually kinda problematic, i saw multiple bot from hora Diomede go shop multiple times (a lot bot i encounter in hora Diomedes multiple times and fake player sell material from Venema)
there are also lots of bots in aquacity
Hmm regarding to the crysta one I don't mind making some new crysta untradable so long it's indeed guarantee on either 1-3 runs on idk ulti I guess? and can still be guaranteed on normal mode like 5 runs or so, so long the untradable crysta is worth the grind for that is
And so long those new HDB can still be soloed just for the untradable crysta then I'm fine with it, cuz it will make leech services (no mod) on the rise which it's a win win for most players especially those players who do Altadar Services no mod in El Scaro
just to make it clear(?), there's no changes for non-event bosses' crysta drop rate-- only the hdb crysta that is planned to be untradable, but they still don't know when to do it
(edit: you mentioned the "ulti difficulty", so I thought you were talking about the non-event bosses)
@@AidaShin oh sorry for the misunderstanding it's just like the new hdb boss rn there's difficulty on it from normal to hard or is it not a HDB? The one in underwater canyon on the hole btw where spa wear is droppable
@@justaweebguy3615 hdb is a bosses that has a special venue and special npc to challange them-- the venue where you fight altadar. This includes etoise, pedrio, patissia, etc. For bosses like stellar ooze and usasama, they were planning to adding it to the same category as pedrio, etoise, etc. (You can check my video where the thumbnail has altadar in it).
Hdb like Zeagrysta and Adaro is not counted as a HDB bosses, unfortunately. It's counted as a one seasonal (summer, etc.) event bosses. I also don't really get the idea behind this, but Sicanokami and Naiata is also not a hdb bosses (they are like, a hidden bosses?)
RIP blacksmith skill
wait, why?
Players who missed the events be like how to i get it xtal 😢
That's how Toram work in the first place; Valentine event, Christmas event, White day, summer, etc., and if you missed it, just wait for a year (or half of the year for hdb(?)) to come back (though, it's untradable so it's kinda different...).
Just like the video says, HDB event is open for like 6 months, so it is a very long time to collect the crysta as much as you can, and there's a party recruitment feature to recruit a party
Well, I believe there's still some people selling it on market with the armor, but it would need an Crysta extraction and "Cosignment Board V2" that is rumored to be able to search an equipment with certain stats... Also, there's a stall system (bazaar) so probably some people will open a stall just to sell the untrade xtal
The blacksmith era will be gone🎉
how's that...? i dont get it
Bueno, con los xtal que no se pueden comercializar me afectarán directamente, mi suerte es poquísima, al punto que siempre compro lo que necesito porque si espero a que me caiga el drop llego a final de año ^^,
Aida shin, why retrograde shot no more mp heal anymore?
it never been recover mp...
私はインドネシアにゲームを提供するのを止めればこの問題は解決すると思います
Sir, this is not just from Indonesia problem too, but it also problem from Japanese player also doing same has Indonesia player did it, you cannot blame another side, blame both
ずいぶん乱暴⁽?⁾な発言ですね...まあ何とも言えませんがｗ
一応健全でゲームをやってるインドネシアのユーザーも結構ありますよ...
まあそう来たら来たで
健全なインドネシアのプレイヤーが居ることくらい知っていますよ、私のフレンドにインドネシアの方も沢山います！一部の違反者の行動が多くの健全な方の迷惑になることを皆で考えてください、止められるのはあなた達以外にありません。
世界の多くのゲームが中国向けにリリースされないのはなぜですか？つまりそう言う事です！
もし仮に次のトーラムに変わるゲームが出た時インドネシアも中国みたいにルールも守らず迷惑かけるだけと判断されればリリースされない日も来るかもしれませんよ？私はそうなって欲しくないです、
私はインドネシア人が好きです、お互いのトーラムライフの為に私は違反者報告を止めません。
FIRST!!!!
man...my blacksmith will be useless 💀
how...?
They can do anything, trade restriction xtal etc, but not upgraded UI especially on party raid player names, boss battle rank screen, come on its just bar, at least say how much % u do dmg, % dmg u take, like we dont even know how they are calculated
(I think) they want to make it simple. Too many information at once will be overwhelming. It might be better if there's an option to turn on and off some sort of "advance mode" so for people who want the extra info can turn it on and who don't can turn it off.
But idk, pretty sure they won't (or can't?) do it
Post your comment on twitter with #toramrequest so that they see your comment
About Damage Meters, they can be turned into a toxic environment, So I hope they never add it.
Even with the Rank Bar System that we have now, some small group of people still trying to make it toxic.
But yeah the UI just cannot only Just Work, They really need to Redesign it, or at least make it so it is easy to use and understand, And it's also hard because i can see they don't really care about something like that, something that players would really enjoy that, They even don't realize it even the dev don't realize it.
If no one yells at them they also will never think about it.
And there are players who just want to play and not to think how things should work but ended up needing to think how things should work.
And that is me.
@@AidaShin unfortunately ive never had a twitter/x account, so would appreciate if you can do it for me xD
@@Anor-62 so what? dmg meter doesnt indicate you totally leeching, you can support by brave ing the pt, or prorate,
Seriously if i dont get attacker rank ill just do that to still get other ranks. Because its so hard to understand those bars and color coded its like a computer language at least its a sense of accomplishment to know how much % dmg u did and how much prorate you do(auto attack)
@@Light_L994 Since that Toxic environment can became a thing is more concerning for me than seeing who is leeching more clearly and who does thing more in a battle that last for a minute or so, I'm afraid we don't have a conversations here.
Mana xtal gratis setelah 3 run yang kau janjikan itu takk. Disaat player mu lfp lfp kamu malah ketawa-ketawa itu ga rizzpek bgt tak. Dan jangan lupa Reset skill gratis nya tak
1:54 di sini udh dikasih tau kalau info ini gak bakal diterapkan di hdb tahun ini. Mungkin tahun depan atau tahun depannya lagi baru diterapin
@@AidaShin p.ava ez drop jadi ga seru kayaknya wkwk
1:23 please don't, bots makes the game easy and cheap
No, bot is not good, it's just try scam everything
I think the reason why they want it to be untradable is, rather than the bots giving it away with stacks of Crysta on the market, it's much better if the game itself providing a "free" Crysta for those who challenge the boss. This way, the bots/modder/cheater won't make any profit with their stacks of Crysta on the market and (possibly) to sell the spina they earn from selling it on market.
For real though, how to make bot less effective really..
What i come up with and the crazy way is..
Straight up Make Spina Untradable.
Or the more crazy way is make all shop item only useable to player itself if you buy it with unpaid orbs.
You only can use it on others player if you buy it only with paid orb.
PAY TO WIN WE GO!
And the less crazy way is simply make another type off the same/currency, Lets call it "Event" Type of the same/currency for now.
If you Buy, Use, or Make anything with any this Type of the same Event Currency, You only can use it to Yourself, It became Untradable, Etc. you name it.
And that is also need to be a treeshold, You cannot make all free things became said "Event Currency" because it simply BAD.
If that got implement beautifully i can see some change about bot.
And that is what i think.
Since i cannot think of any that can solve this bot problem.
the pay to win idea is a win-win situation to whales and the company itself.
I mean it is better than botters destroying the game
They need to make the grind for gears alot EASIER and add some sort of rare stuff like decor from monster hunter world that you can only get by defeating high difficulty bosses and such with very low drop rate and ofc make it untradable by every means, add more housing event where player has to visit other players houses and do some sort of rating and interview on their houses like event specifically for that and a guild event like cooking tournament or pet racing tournament by the game itself. add a god damn pity system for the avatar banner, Ease the leveling for pets by 90% and characters by 50% like seriously. and add a dye category for them pets and maybe a pet skin and WEAPONS skin that we could buy with orbs and increase the furniture limit. this way player will lean towards spending their money for orbs to buy skins and stuff instead of spina from webs, because getting a decent gear/good gear wouldn't be as hard anymore. removing the spina and trading system is just too risky because it's one of the reason why people play the game in the first place. so rather than removing spina completely, just add more contents that doesn't require them as much like a social event, more boss that benefits neutral gear alot more instead of DTE because DTE is the MAJOR reason why alot of people bought spina, ease the drop for a 2s additional such as leg silk/ornament this is also one the major reasons why people buy spina from webs. with gears being cheaper we can work on more character instead of just 2 - 3, we can make alot more unique and interesting builds without having to spend an entire life savings to make them work decently and we can spend our money to buy orb buy character slots and get avatars for our characters instead of buying more spina. the bots will decrease significantly by itself with less people buying their spina .
The first options will kill one of the trading mechanics in the game like yeah there's stall and cb but most still prefer to shout and trade than using CB which have tax or using stall which might take too long to be bought, which killing it might disappoints most/if not some players in the game
Idk if that really solves botting problem since if spina is untradable they can still just use cb and crash or rise the prices or use Gen Store etc. to earn spina and any other ways a person can think of
@@justaweebguy3615 same with the new party recruit system. people still chose to chat than using the feature 💀