i agree it's not only skills that are important, your knowledge of the game is also important, most players don't know the importance of passive skill, buff, pierce, cdmg, usheathe and they just copy the build without looking for its importance for the build
and also stability.... most DS build i usually see is always either STR>AGI and/or AGI>STR and everyone just straight up copying it thinking it'll make them OP w/o considering the lack of stability it has despite having kitty tail and glowing sea talisman on their possession.... what most people never consider in DS build is DEX and DEX offers A LOT of stability a decent atk increase and the most important is.... accuracy.... yes accuracy is still important when fighting bosses that have high crit res like pedrio and reliza and you'll need accuracy to land a hit in order to at least get ampr and having your attacks go miss is a sign of a failed dps.... and since AGI now gives cdmg i think there should be no reason not to include DEX in DS builds anymore
lmao this man seem really hate bots my opinion on stability is secondary stat idk if this person forgot to mention stability or what because most class can get it from their stat point and high weapon stability like ktn,mage,bow/bowgun with main dex as stat they can get good amount of stab from it and if ur other mix match class like mage crit you still get stab from str but fewer and its not important because mage crit only used it for the crit damage im not ds main so idk much about stab on ds and just try it once when t4 release for ds and just dump it because it needed so much sp to build it
@@jennyamelia2202 prior t5 bowtana's main issue is the lack of stab itself and lemme tell ya.... it's bad and it's a good thing it's fixed now tnx to samurai's archery skill.... and when i tried playing DS either STR>AGI or AGI>STR it's worse since dmg is incredibly unstable, especially when you have berserk skill on despite having kitty tail and glowing sea talisman equipped.... it's just bad.... that's why on the next free reset I'm gonna do AGI(327)>DEX(320) completely on my DS just to have stable dmg
@@geminas5044 uhh im sorry to say this but if you think ds agi-dex like you have in mind would do you any better then that means you are the one with lack of knowledge. i mean yes Dex gives you more stab and attack but only for your main hand, it gives nothing to your sub hand. sub hand on dw is as important as the main hand mind u.
@@bebanmertua7692 nah I'm still gonna go w/ AGI>DEX.... you would still need accuracy in order to hit properly against bosses that have high critical hit rate resistance and that's where most AGI based builds i see usually flops coz most prioritizes STR, which lacks in accuracy.... remember if your normal attacks can't land a single hit it means no ampr, which also means no mp to use for the next skill to use, which could mean that you fail as a dps.... for me tho while we prioritize critical hit rate and ridiculous dmg we should still consider adding accuracy as a safeguard whenever there would be a case where an enemy has critical hit rate resistance now as for the sub stab that you've been talking about, I've run some calculations at coryn, AGI>DEX on DS should be just fine as long as the sub-weapon has a higher stab amount and you should be able to reach more than 100 stab on main w/ the higher amount of DEX if you're a DS Berserk user you should have no problem since berserk skill will always take the main hand's stab instead of the sub hand's stab (coz berserk still treats DS class as OHS class)
I dont mind it when people use spina to be strong and step up their game and damage since like what baku said, it is its purpose. What I do have a problem with, is when a new player who obviously do not know anything about the game completely abuse the power of spina. IDK how they get that much spina, mYbe Either by buying spina rmt or just straight up buying accounts. they just pay to win their way through, buy all 2s and compete at the same level ground as those whose been playing for a long time. I dont usually mind them if they are good at the game, but trust me, most of them are NOT. WHY? Because they skip the PROGRESS! the progress of learning their own class, the progress of knowing some combat mechanics, just the progress of learning in general. Your damage wont take you anywhere if you are not skillful enough to dodge and maneuver or you are always dead. Man It took me almost a year to know my bowtana, grinded a lot for full 2s, and to put those 2s to a purpose I started soloing bosses.
"your damage won't take you anywhere if you are not skillful enough to dodge and maneuver or you are always dead" EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS WHEN I WAS LEVELING MY TANK AT NENA1 BACK THEN!!!! all they had to do is to simply dodge the meteor and continue on their business BUT NOPE! they just had the audacity to complain about the meteor falling right on top of em.... jeez :v also bowtana and other unique/off-meta builds are incredibly fun to use if you know how to play it right 👍
I agree with what you say partially but, if you don't know how to dodge you don't know how to dodge. The fact that they have all that additional damage makes them better to have in your party while they learn because at least when they are hitting they are hitting for a lot. Practice is practice, you do it at the bottom and the top so it's not really relevant imo
thanks to the botters and rmt players, toram is at a point where skill hardly has any value left Grind, work hard and practice lots to get better, then a rmt player comes and outdamages u and starts acting as if they are superior
as a new player the only way I can see them balancing the players power is to have bosses actual mechanics like a normal mmo where you are required to fill in the role of tank,healer and dps and do specific mechanics that if you fail to do the mechanic it would be a raid wipe something punishing where you can't just brain dead spam 1 skill on bosses. And for older content they should make an even higher mode for all bosses that would allow them to be synced to the current lvl cap so that way older content doesn't get obsolete like in FFXIV content doesn't get obsolete because there is an option for you to sync or unsync
I have no commends on spina because i never made a dps till i had 150m spina but thanks to the youtubers for making the videos that i learn alot from it and i progress alot faster then the others. Anyways dps its fun when u can do burst dmg :)
dps is also fun if you can also do what the tank is supposed to be doing while unleashing a high burst of dmg ಠ ͜ʖ ಠ.... one thing that most people nowadays can't pull off and would just complain about them getting aggro instead of trying to manage to hold it, deal dmg and survive :v
@@geminas5044 Well i have no complains if tank lose aggro like others do, as a dps we should be able to learn to improve owe skills as well rather then complaining about the tank. As baku said before u can have a bad dps but not a bad tank :) but for sure im having fun with the game since i put lots of work on spina. I just hope everyone has fun and also help each other
For me the only problem i had is lack of more sub skill or support skill for certain niche playstyle. Like for example how certain halberd had matk,magic pierce , or int based stat. And yet the game lack certain part to support it...
Man, Hivan sure is a God back when katana was still seen as a pc of sht also he's what inspired me to use modestia really want to see him use t5 and solo these other bosses
After 4 years suffering with Knuckles i have came to the conclusion that meta DOES matter because nobody would ever invite Knuckles except tank. I can solo bosses untouched with my experience all i want, but it doesn't matter if i don't have enough DPS in a pt and will be kicked. So i had no choice but to be a Bow to farm bosses and stuffs. Doesn't help that Annihilator pushed Knuckles even deeper into the trash abyss because not even CC was their advantage anymore, while still being the worst DPS. Fortunately Asobimo made Knuckles 10x better with T5, now i can just shout lfp tank and get easy slot. It showed Asobimo can still do right thing, and there is still hope.
@@assylkhannurgali5896 They released some interesting things for MD already... not that it makes MD super amazing, but at least better than when I played Toram a few years back. 1. MD can be used as sub weapon in magic blade tree. 2. Magic tree has a MD specific skill now in T5 3. Assassin tree can be used with Ninja scroll as MD main (some skills) 4 Ninja skills can be used with MD, with Ninja scroll as sub weapon. 5. Priest tree has new hybrid T5 skill 6. Ninja & Priest are hybrid damage type trees/skills. Note that ninja skills and Magic blade are mutually exclusive due to the sub weapon requirement.
I guess the only way that skill can outway spina is in PvP. Asobimo did a great job with not binding power leveling or gearing with real cash so I don't think players can chease their way out of not having to farm for spina at some point in time. I've already accepted the fact that being attacker all the time isn't my top priority. Instead I've been training myself with soloing and how to survive. I decided to create a different build that focuses on moderate but effective dps while still tanking. Knuckle was the best weapon for this cause it had so many mechanics that allows you to survive (high flee, high aspd, dmg reduction, dmg negation, ailment resist, i-frame, easy ampr, all interrupts) without sacrificing your attack or dmg. It does take a little effort ,time and research, cause you have to have all 2S gear including armor and add but when you do it right it's really satisfying, I rarely get kicked from parties cause I shout lfp tank and I actually tank XD. Sometimes I get all three ranks of attacker, support and tank on some bosses like finstern and gravicep, I got a lot of compliments and I felt really good :)
yes.... only pvp will put skills and build into the actual test to see how good your build is and how good you are at playing and the gears that we regularly use will only do a teenie-weenie extra coz no matter how good your gear is if you suck you suck.... had to learn that the hard way in other online games w/ pvp that i used to play back then where player skills are a lot greater than gear/setup/unit bought using in-game currencies....
@@Leig5H0T 🤔ᴴᴹᴹ revenir paladin is relatively new to the game and I started building this character before Ohs had a 100% chance tumble skill, also i think it's a weapon preference, I like knuckle more than 1h cause the motion speed is really high (I don't really like playing classes that have low motion speed to begin with), knuckle bruiser (semi dps) is way more supportive of the team like most of the skills give an indirect buff to the team eg Armor brake just from my normal attacks or the chakra ampr, mp recovery and dmg reduction buff to the whole party. So imo if you want to be a bit more supportive knuckle semi dps is better, if you want to be a bit more selfish go for Ohs paladin (cause paladin doesn't give any buff except war cry to your teammates)
CF and Sat is forever for most dte bow and dte bg users since that's the only main skills that they know that can deal a huge tons of dmg and yet they still complain and ask for nerf lol
Well i think Asobimo need to create a new boss, a "super raid boss" type. Ultra high HP, Def, Mdef, Phys/Mag resistance. But very low attack power with fast speed, full aoe, bunch of debuff, and RANDOM attack pattern. That way, the "meta dps" nowadays will be forced to get out of their meta (glass cannon meta) to fight that boss. Imagine, you just finished spamming GSW and bunch of other buffs, then the boss attack you with nowhere to run or hide, but it just dealing 100 dmg to you at max. Wouldn't you rather not buffing and just spam skills? 🤣
That's how the game evolves U can't keep playing a weapon for 3 years That makes progression boring. For example u can't play toram world bosses decently (ofc few can) with 5th anniversary weapons nor the ones that were released back then U need better equips that's the reason they keep bringing more stuff constantly
From the future here, turn back. Its all Dash 3 now. Anniversary is nothing but a time sink. Its somehow worse than anniv 5gold and 6. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE... You must right this wrong. I can feel it now, its too late for me...I am become Dash 3 Save yourselves from hell
3:35 And that's exactly why I'm NOT happy with the state of the game. Especially with Burst damage being favored over sustained damage. It really makes some weapons seems useless compared to others. As long as this & weapon imbalance there, for some weapons: It doesn't matter how much power you have: you'll get no party anyway
I dont like one thing of power creep it may help encourage you to play but also to quit as in 2017 people in toram become toxic over power in a way it make other new or old player unconfort like they forgot to see the 2 face of a coin they were also new too but they seem to forget that fact once they get 2s equip and do 2m damage or more
well i hv a way of testing spina reliant ppl to skill reliant ppl..... i challenge thm to a duo boss fight and tell thm tht ill take aggro but stealthily hv -aggro buff so tht even if i strike first, the aggro will shift to them..... tht way i can test tht player's skills and alertness ...... i also watch how they rotate their skills and use the micro mechanics of different skills [micros like s at specific ways (like maga/zantei/divine), displacement of skills (like retrograde, 3thrust etc.) and other hidden mechanics] PS: i totally didnt spend an entire year just to hv full 2S ktn build and totally not salty abt ppl tht can hv full 2S gears in just a few moments cuz of spina..... yup 100% totally not salty at all
wow if i were to be in your pt and you're gonna do that w/o our knowledge i can assure you that I'll try to manage it and not complain a single thing about aggro coz I've done those kinds of situations multiple times using my bowtana, my 2HS semi-dps, etc.... PS: [NOT] totally salty about people buying full 2s dte gears on a whim coz of the amount of spina they have.... yup definitely [NOT] 100% salty at all
@@geminas5044 well i learned tht from my sparta prev guild..... they randomly challenge me to a duo boss fight thn take -aggro buff and watch me die while not knowing why aggro shifted..... tho i cant rly predict cuz they sometimes just takes the aggro while we duo
I allways had this ideea in my mind that Toram seems more easy on phone than on PC and i refer here in terms of combat style , is like u have a better control over the skills and u can use them at a right timing , i myself still have difficulties in improving my skill at combat in PC version or idk maybe is just me who needs to practice more on bosses solo. Oh and the power creep thing u said there is really a stupid thing to happen in this game , every item must be apreciated by it's value and not be thrown into oblivion and selling it at a nothing price cuz those items are still good and usefull imo.
People still demand on having bow in pt even that thing is already fallen from the throne. It's little annoying when I'm leveling without my main class (katana) especially knuckle. They wouldn't believe that I have a damage until I beat them up. At the end I enjoy looking at the shocked members when their so-called Meta classes were beaten by knuckle.
it's even more enjoyable to see that an off-meta build like bowtana is able to do what a regular bow dte meta slave can't do.... and that is having survivability (counter skill zantei and tenryu i-frame) and utility (triple thrust) while having powerful skill that never misses regardless wherever the enemy goes (long-range kasumisetsu) (yes i spam kasumisetsu more often than cf and sat coz those skills can definitely miss it's mark when the enemy moves and it's very useful while waiting for cf to completely charge to max and it's much faster than shadowless when stacking garyou) (yes i still use garyou on my bowtana whenever i see a good opening).... in my exp most bow dte users mostly runs around while complaining about the aggro while in most cases i can just manage it until either the tank gets it's aggro back, the battle miraculously finishes or straight up dying (happened to me while leveling my bowtana at ferzen ulti a couple of times and many more).... this also can be said for bg users.... most bg i see the most are just plain bow dte pretenders w/o realizing how much utility they can give to bg to make them unique and powerful (e.g.: sub-knux for easy access to asura and energy control which can be a huge dmg boost while being invincible for a short moment).... being regular bow dte is just no fun and no flavor, sure dmg is high when exploiting the enemy's elemental weakness but where's the fun and flavor in that? that's why i shift from bow dte to bowtana....
@@kuroth8648 in the previous Toram livestreams i still keep seeing people asking for nerf like bruh for me instead of nerfing skills they should just buff other existing skills, especially previous skills like the arm break shot (should've been the most op and useful skill in bow class since there's no charging whatsoever) coz everyone just like to use t4 and t5 skills more often than t1 to t3 (except for some classes like bowtana's zantei and magadachi, ds's phantom slash and cross-parry, etc.).... heck even assassin builds, sub knux builds, sub md builds and sub arrow builds that isn't bow/bg gets severely overshadowed by brain dead meta :v
when u talked about how people spend millions on maxing out a character i felt that im a mage main Crit mage to be exact my build is like that of glen nemisis /Magic cannon i must say im happy with it im a og player who has a lot of knowledge to where i know a few farming spots that allow me to do anything i wish in toram not carrying about spina my crit mage is max dte dte weap/sub/armor to break down how much it costed i have 6 sets or weapon sub and armor totaling 18 dte equipment for my lone mage example dte fire weap fire md aka sub and fire dte armor each staff is 7th anniv 2s each costing me around 50m per staff 50m*6= 300m for all dte 2s staffs with elem and int matk crit stats md sub dte was pretty cheap around 10m for all elements 2s armor with dte each costing me around 30m for clean 2s armor later paying 5m for dte service so each armor costing me around 35m to have them made 35m*6=around 210m for armor dte sets not even including the xtals i need to buy the classic mage add with 2 slot alone costed me 170m at the time and the 2s ring astral lamp at the time costed me 200m as it is rare and ppl sold it that high now if we look at xtals for weapons each staff costed me extra 5-7m spina for filling xtals for each staff so around 30-50m to fill staffs with xtals on armor it hurt all my armors have yule cat at the time i bought it yule cat xtal cost 20-25m each i bought 6 of em costing me around 200m to even full yulecat on all my armors i know it may seem like alot and it was alot of spina if id have to estimate how much it cost me to max out my mage like i have id say bear 1b spina and all for me to deal 2.5m with magic cannon *5 doing instant 12.5m damage with magic cannon and nemisis doing around 400k per hit hitting 20 times and magic burst doing 5m now all thats in a combo so its almost 17m insta burst damage comming from my mage when i combo and metor crash breaks boss armor so armor isnt too much of issue also me having high magic pierce only downside is i need 15-20 seconds before i can nuke the boss cuz i must prepare now the purpose i said all this was to ask do u think me spending almost 1b for this character with that damage worth it or should i jump off a bridge
i guess it is still a good things for casual pleb like me, previously op stuff good value go down, cost less mean less grind to get, I wouldn't be as strong as endgame hardcore players but old content is still content :p
Just what you said, people usually wants to get partys able to farm bosses in the fastest way, and you said "don't worry about it if other classes are powerful and just better that yours" but it is a huge problem because it makes everything harder for the player that doesn't play with the "meta class" *cof cof cf cof cof dual* you may think that everything is on the equipment but what if I put millions on equipment and even with that I keep not being able to make same damage as the others? Dual have everything now: Huge damage, speed, distance, proration, element, survivalism, buffs. Please respond to me, you feel it is ok that duals get better skills just because they need more lvl that the others? Because now I'm lvl 250 and I keep not getting such a powerful skills like arterial cut or lunage missFortune, and I'm okay if not every class makes same damage as long as they keep being able to shine on it's own way (Kn medium damage, high survivalism) (Katana high damage, hard survivalism) (hb medium damage, able to ignore defenses) (1h abble to use a lot of tools) (mage.....mage.....??? Magic canon is horrible)
@@Fennikash I don't want them to be nerfed on the same way xd because even me that don't use dual know that their T4 nerf were too much, but now I feel they got a T6 skills that basically let's them do everything alone just like cf on it's time, and I don't want it to happen again
@@mecanic8137 Maybe their t6 won't be as impressive as bows t5. Aerial cutter needs a nerf, but not a giant nerf. Dual swords take A LOT of time to learn how to play to, because of timing reasons. Its not as hard as katanas, but some ppl find it difficult. In my opinion, Aerial Cutter should do about the same amount of damage as the other t5 skills like Lunar Slash and Dragonic charge. With that said, ds builds are very hard to make :). But you have every right to be salty about aerial cutter and their absolutely cracked kit.
@@Fennikash of course I don't want them to be nerfed just like it happened with their T4 skills, that were too much!! But I'm pretty sure all community agree that dual T5 skills are broken and that may cause the game to fall on the same problem where everyone is using the same class only because that's the meta
@@mecanic8137 Very true and I hope they will nerf the multiplier to a reasonable amount of dmg :). Aerial Cutter wasn't even supposed to be the main DPS skill of the tree lol.
i kinda want to quit toram cause besides that im poor at spina , i don't have skills also🥺 I've researched and practice already but i still sucks, i suck in real life i suck in game too , what a garbage i am sht im level 202 now, i level through normal monster grinding for hours from level 196-202 and it was fckng hard. I don't know if i will quit
8:46 Players:"Powercreep its really bad,its impossible make player Happy, especially newbie" Asobimo:"its not impossible,its necessary" *Insterstellar BGM start on BG while they design the Yatagarasu I'm with u,to much nerd player shout "Nerf DS" but they don't know about how potential other job when u build using 300m spina,trust me,it will much better than DS Aeral Cut 300m spina for me?? i can easly run every boss Iruna-Toram world without Tank Bcs i have DMG,T H I C C HP(with huge Resist ofc),and Fast af,ahh yes fyi i can't play DS bcs its not my gamplay and Ktn too,even i have full 2s eq of it
Kind of true but kind of don't at the same time. I'm a Knuckles solo full 2slot A 100%PP. Do 11m in 7s is normal but I have to repair a lot of Skill buff, Goliath charge, ... While the same DS I build do 4m each air slash with no..repead no buff at all. I like DS but currently it just overpower at least comparison to Knuckles
@@nomed8745 knuckle isn't a high dps nuke class, it leans more to tank, asura aura many buffs and passives are mainly to make you do more damage but also tank hits more efficiently, like it can give 100% ailment resistance with zero mtl stat, and also has dmg reduction
i agree it's not only skills that are important, your knowledge of the game is also important, most players don't know the importance of passive skill, buff, pierce, cdmg, usheathe and they just copy the build without looking for its importance for the build
and also stability.... most DS build i usually see is always either STR>AGI and/or AGI>STR and everyone just straight up copying it thinking it'll make them OP w/o considering the lack of stability it has despite having kitty tail and glowing sea talisman on their possession.... what most people never consider in DS build is DEX and DEX offers A LOT of stability a decent atk increase and the most important is.... accuracy.... yes accuracy is still important when fighting bosses that have high crit res like pedrio and reliza and you'll need accuracy to land a hit in order to at least get ampr and having your attacks go miss is a sign of a failed dps.... and since AGI now gives cdmg i think there should be no reason not to include DEX in DS builds anymore
lmao this man seem really hate bots
my opinion on stability is secondary stat idk if this person forgot to mention stability or what because most class can get it from their stat point and high weapon stability like ktn,mage,bow/bowgun with main dex as stat they can get good amount of stab from it and if ur other mix match class like mage crit you still get stab from str but fewer and its not important because mage crit only used it for the crit damage
im not ds main so idk much about stab on ds and just try it once when t4 release for ds and just dump it because it needed so much sp to build it
@@jennyamelia2202 prior t5 bowtana's main issue is the lack of stab itself and lemme tell ya.... it's bad and it's a good thing it's fixed now tnx to samurai's archery skill.... and when i tried playing DS either STR>AGI or AGI>STR it's worse since dmg is incredibly unstable, especially when you have berserk skill on despite having kitty tail and glowing sea talisman equipped.... it's just bad.... that's why on the next free reset I'm gonna do AGI(327)>DEX(320) completely on my DS just to have stable dmg
@@geminas5044 uhh im sorry to say this but if you think ds agi-dex like you have in mind would do you any better then that means you are the one with lack of knowledge. i mean yes Dex gives you more stab and attack but only for your main hand, it gives nothing to your sub hand. sub hand on dw is as important as the main hand mind u.
@@bebanmertua7692 nah I'm still gonna go w/ AGI>DEX.... you would still need accuracy in order to hit properly against bosses that have high critical hit rate resistance and that's where most AGI based builds i see usually flops coz most prioritizes STR, which lacks in accuracy.... remember if your normal attacks can't land a single hit it means no ampr, which also means no mp to use for the next skill to use, which could mean that you fail as a dps....
for me tho while we prioritize critical hit rate and ridiculous dmg we should still consider adding accuracy as a safeguard whenever there would be a case where an enemy has critical hit rate resistance
now as for the sub stab that you've been talking about, I've run some calculations at coryn, AGI>DEX on DS should be just fine as long as the sub-weapon has a higher stab amount and you should be able to reach more than 100 stab on main w/ the higher amount of DEX if you're a DS Berserk user you should have no problem since berserk skill will always take the main hand's stab instead of the sub hand's stab (coz berserk still treats DS class as OHS class)
I dont mind it when people use spina to be strong and step up their game and damage since like what baku said, it is its purpose. What I do have a problem with, is when a new player who obviously do not know anything about the game completely abuse the power of spina. IDK how they get that much spina, mYbe Either by buying spina rmt or just straight up buying accounts. they just pay to win their way through, buy all 2s and compete at the same level ground as those whose been playing for a long time. I dont usually mind them if they are good at the game, but trust me, most of them are NOT. WHY? Because they skip the PROGRESS! the progress of learning their own class, the progress of knowing some combat mechanics, just the progress of learning in general.
Your damage wont take you anywhere if you are not skillful enough to dodge and maneuver or you are always dead. Man It took me almost a year to know my bowtana, grinded a lot for full 2s, and to put those 2s to a purpose I started soloing bosses.
Nice, well said u got a point there
"your damage won't take you anywhere if you are not skillful enough to dodge and maneuver or you are always dead" EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS WHEN I WAS LEVELING MY TANK AT NENA1 BACK THEN!!!!
all they had to do is to simply dodge the meteor and continue on their business BUT NOPE! they just had the audacity to complain about the meteor falling right on top of em.... jeez :v
also bowtana and other unique/off-meta builds are incredibly fun to use if you know how to play it right 👍
I agree with what you say partially but, if you don't know how to dodge you don't know how to dodge. The fact that they have all that additional damage makes them better to have in your party while they learn because at least when they are hitting they are hitting for a lot.
Practice is practice, you do it at the bottom and the top so it's not really relevant imo
thanks to the botters and rmt players, toram is at a point where skill hardly has any value left
Grind, work hard and practice lots to get better, then a rmt player comes and outdamages u and starts acting as if they are superior
@@pikalicia69 yeah i hate them cuz they are dmg dealer and always died
as a new player the only way I can see them balancing the players power is to have bosses actual mechanics like a normal mmo where you are required to fill in the role of tank,healer and dps and do specific mechanics that if you fail to do the mechanic it would be a raid wipe something punishing where you can't just brain dead spam 1 skill on bosses. And for older content they should make an even higher mode for all bosses that would allow them to be synced to the current lvl cap so that way older content doesn't get obsolete like in FFXIV content doesn't get obsolete because there is an option for you to sync or unsync
I have no commends on spina because i never made a dps till i had 150m spina but thanks to the youtubers for making the videos that i learn alot from it and i progress alot faster then the others. Anyways dps its fun when u can do burst dmg :)
dps is also fun if you can also do what the tank is supposed to be doing while unleashing a high burst of dmg ಠ ͜ʖ ಠ.... one thing that most people nowadays can't pull off and would just complain about them getting aggro instead of trying to manage to hold it, deal dmg and survive :v
@@geminas5044 Well i have no complains if tank lose aggro like others do, as a dps we should be able to learn to improve owe skills as well rather then complaining about the tank. As baku said before u can have a bad dps but not a bad tank :) but for sure im having fun with the game since i put lots of work on spina. I just hope everyone has fun and also help each other
For me the only problem i had is lack of more sub skill or support skill for certain niche playstyle. Like for example how certain halberd had matk,magic pierce , or int based stat. And yet the game lack certain part to support it...
Man, Hivan sure is a God back when katana was still seen as a pc of sht also he's what inspired me to use modestia really want to see him use t5 and solo these other bosses
I was lucky to brought a Ktn created by Hivan and I have been using it until now ( even tho it's outdated)
ah you know what
I'll just build a tank
no worries about damage
cheap to build
cheap to maintain
always in demand
Tank supremacy
I worked hard for my spina.. and spend it all on apps lol then later regret why I didn't buy better things xD
Style is all that matters 🤣
Relatable
"spina is everything, you'll farm it until you quitting" -the old man day 1 player council
This is why i tank, too many stat requirements and spina are needed to do any damage to any modern bosses and all my dps builds end up being garbage
After 4 years suffering with Knuckles i have came to the conclusion that meta DOES matter because nobody would ever invite Knuckles except tank. I can solo bosses untouched with my experience all i want, but it doesn't matter if i don't have enough DPS in a pt and will be kicked. So i had no choice but to be a Bow to farm bosses and stuffs. Doesn't help that Annihilator pushed Knuckles even deeper into the trash abyss because not even CC was their advantage anymore, while still being the worst DPS.
Fortunately Asobimo made Knuckles 10x better with T5, now i can just shout lfp tank and get easy slot. It showed Asobimo can still do right thing, and there is still hope.
Bruh that's my strat 😂, btw looking forward to meeting you ingame to see who has the thickest knuckle dps
@@reybarracuda2514 well its gonna be hard to find me cause im usually hide in W2 👀
@@d7603 well if your farming pedrio I'll surely see you
@@reybarracuda2514 oh i rarely farm stuffs. Lazy ass. I guess it's much easier to see me when Aso update a new boss :v
Fuck bow its so boring
I'm a MD main, I do 250 damage per hit, I'm so powerful 🥴
i have md too. When will they release MD skill tree?.
@@assylkhannurgali5896 They released some interesting things for MD already... not that it makes MD super amazing, but at least better than when I played Toram a few years back.
1. MD can be used as sub weapon in magic blade tree.
2. Magic tree has a MD specific skill now in T5
3. Assassin tree can be used with Ninja scroll as MD main (some skills)
4 Ninja skills can be used with MD, with Ninja scroll as sub weapon.
5. Priest tree has new hybrid T5 skill
6. Ninja & Priest are hybrid damage type trees/skills.
Note that ninja skills and Magic blade are mutually exclusive due to the sub weapon requirement.
Them: what class is the best?
Me: "Professional Farmer" What class should i choose??
i can relate
agreed
Y'all guys finish a boss in 3 minutes? I finish it in 15 minutes solo😆😆
Wow i never thought i would watch myself in your video ,i was playing ktn in your party, loved it
I guess the only way that skill can outway spina is in PvP. Asobimo did a great job with not binding power leveling or gearing with real cash so I don't think players can chease their way out of not having to farm for spina at some point in time. I've already accepted the fact that being attacker all the time isn't my top priority.
Instead I've been training myself with soloing and how to survive. I decided to create a different build that focuses on moderate but effective dps while still tanking. Knuckle was the best weapon for this cause it had so many mechanics that allows you to survive (high flee, high aspd, dmg reduction, dmg negation, ailment resist, i-frame, easy ampr, all interrupts) without sacrificing your attack or dmg. It does take a little effort ,time and research, cause you have to have all 2S gear including armor and add but when you do it right it's really satisfying, I rarely get kicked from parties cause I shout lfp tank and I actually tank XD. Sometimes I get all three ranks of attacker, support and tank on some bosses like finstern and gravicep, I got a lot of compliments and I felt really good :)
yes.... only pvp will put skills and build into the actual test to see how good your build is and how good you are at playing and the gears that we regularly use will only do a teenie-weenie extra coz no matter how good your gear is if you suck you suck.... had to learn that the hard way in other online games w/ pvp that i used to play back then where player skills are a lot greater than gear/setup/unit bought using in-game currencies....
..why not just use a revenir paladin. It's straight up just the better version of this
@@Leig5H0T 🤔ᴴᴹᴹ revenir paladin is relatively new to the game and I started building this character before Ohs had a 100% chance tumble skill, also i think it's a weapon preference, I like knuckle more than 1h cause the motion speed is really high (I don't really like playing classes that have low motion speed to begin with), knuckle bruiser (semi dps) is way more supportive of the team like most of the skills give an indirect buff to the team eg Armor brake just from my normal attacks or the chakra ampr, mp recovery and dmg reduction buff to the whole party. So imo if you want to be a bit more supportive knuckle semi dps is better, if you want to be a bit more selfish go for Ohs paladin (cause paladin doesn't give any buff except war cry to your teammates)
@@reybarracuda2514 Actually, revenir supports the team because it causes 0 proration whatsoever
Bener kata lu bang jangan ngaku sepuh katana kalau ga kenal player katana IGN Hivan wkwkw😂🤣
Other class be using T5 Skills as their main DPS and then there's Tenryu and CF Sat 😂
Tenryu is eternal xD
CF and Sat is forever for most dte bow and dte bg users since that's the only main skills that they know that can deal a huge tons of dmg and yet they still complain and ask for nerf lol
Well i think Asobimo need to create a new boss, a "super raid boss" type.
Ultra high HP, Def, Mdef, Phys/Mag resistance. But very low attack power with fast speed, full aoe, bunch of debuff, and RANDOM attack pattern.
That way, the "meta dps" nowadays will be forced to get out of their meta (glass cannon meta) to fight that boss.
Imagine, you just finished spamming GSW and bunch of other buffs, then the boss attack you with nowhere to run or hide, but it just dealing 100 dmg to you at max. Wouldn't you rather not buffing and just spam skills? 🤣
That's how the game evolves
U can't keep playing a weapon for 3 years
That makes progression boring. For example u can't play toram world bosses decently (ofc few can) with 5th anniversary weapons nor the ones that were released back then
U need better equips that's the reason they keep bringing more stuff constantly
Yeppy
From the future here, turn back. Its all Dash 3 now. Anniversary is nothing but a time sink. Its somehow worse than anniv 5gold and 6. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE...
You must right this wrong.
I can feel it now, its too late for me...I am become Dash 3
Save yourselves from hell
3:35
And that's exactly why I'm NOT happy with the state of the game.
Especially with Burst damage being favored over sustained damage. It really makes some weapons seems useless compared to others.
As long as this & weapon imbalance there, for some weapons: It doesn't matter how much power you have: you'll get no party anyway
Me prioritize spina equips dyes abc apps and avatar, that's why i'm flexing in ch 1 sofya 👍👍👍
Ahhhhh Hivan, he put a lot of time into those clears. 10k deaths xd
The solo legend
I dont like one thing of power creep it may help encourage you to play but also to quit as in 2017 people in toram become toxic over power in a way it make other new or old player unconfort like they forgot to see the 2 face of a coin they were also new too but they seem to forget that fact once they get 2s equip and do 2m damage or more
Except for bowgun looks like power creep what's that I still don't have to replace my 6th anniv bowgun 😂.
Meanwhile me who just started and just care for cool skins...
So what I have to do? In the game? New player
well i hv a way of testing spina reliant ppl to skill reliant ppl..... i challenge thm to a duo boss fight and tell thm tht ill take aggro but stealthily hv -aggro buff so tht even if i strike first, the aggro will shift to them..... tht way i can test tht player's skills and alertness ...... i also watch how they rotate their skills and use the micro mechanics of different skills [micros like s at specific ways (like maga/zantei/divine), displacement of skills (like retrograde, 3thrust etc.) and other hidden mechanics]
PS: i totally didnt spend an entire year just to hv full 2S ktn build and totally not salty abt ppl tht can hv full 2S gears in just a few moments cuz of spina..... yup 100% totally not salty at all
also baku.... im with u with areal strike.. dmn fvk 3m per 3-4secs is totally 100% balanced skill tht doesnt need to be salty abt ;))
Yep, definately not salty gang here.
wow if i were to be in your pt and you're gonna do that w/o our knowledge i can assure you that I'll try to manage it and not complain a single thing about aggro coz I've done those kinds of situations multiple times using my bowtana, my 2HS semi-dps, etc....
PS: [NOT] totally salty about people buying full 2s dte gears on a whim coz of the amount of spina they have.... yup definitely [NOT] 100% salty at all
@@geminas5044 well i learned tht from my sparta prev guild..... they randomly challenge me to a duo boss fight thn take -aggro buff and watch me die while not knowing why aggro shifted..... tho i cant rly predict cuz they sometimes just takes the aggro while we duo
@@shotgungod69thpinapostle92 in my case, it's from random parties that can be either hit or miss.... in most cases it's always the latter -_-
I allways had this ideea in my mind that Toram seems more easy on phone than on PC and i refer here in terms of combat style , is like u have a better control over the skills and u can use them at a right timing , i myself still have difficulties in improving my skill at combat in PC version or idk maybe is just me who needs to practice more on bosses solo. Oh and the power creep thing u said there is really a stupid thing to happen in this game , every item must be apreciated by it's value and not be thrown into oblivion and selling it at a nothing price cuz those items are still good and usefull imo.
parties? who needs them?
baku: there's no such thing as a bad weapon
me: you hear that little guy?
my 1s +S 100cr latria bow w/ neo maton xtal loaded: 🥲 *faith restored*
Miku bow op, because of wifu energy🤣
@@reybarracuda2514 miku bow is so op that it actually carried me and my bowtana would still continues to do so....
People still demand on having bow in pt even that thing is already fallen from the throne.
It's little annoying when I'm leveling without my main class (katana) especially knuckle. They wouldn't believe that I have a damage until I beat them up. At the end I enjoy looking at the shocked members when their so-called Meta classes were beaten by knuckle.
it's even more enjoyable to see that an off-meta build like bowtana is able to do what a regular bow dte meta slave can't do.... and that is having survivability (counter skill zantei and tenryu i-frame) and utility (triple thrust) while having powerful skill that never misses regardless wherever the enemy goes (long-range kasumisetsu) (yes i spam kasumisetsu more often than cf and sat coz those skills can definitely miss it's mark when the enemy moves and it's very useful while waiting for cf to completely charge to max and it's much faster than shadowless when stacking garyou) (yes i still use garyou on my bowtana whenever i see a good opening).... in my exp most bow dte users mostly runs around while complaining about the aggro while in most cases i can just manage it until either the tank gets it's aggro back, the battle miraculously finishes or straight up dying (happened to me while leveling my bowtana at ferzen ulti a couple of times and many more).... this also can be said for bg users.... most bg i see the most are just plain bow dte pretenders w/o realizing how much utility they can give to bg to make them unique and powerful (e.g.: sub-knux for easy access to asura and energy control which can be a huge dmg boost while being invincible for a short moment)....
being regular bow dte is just no fun and no flavor, sure dmg is high when exploiting the enemy's elemental weakness but where's the fun and flavor in that? that's why i shift from bow dte to bowtana....
@@geminas5044 Well... I'm pretty sure they will ask for some nerfs afterward. Some part of them love asking for trouble when they lose.
@@kuroth8648 in the previous Toram livestreams i still keep seeing people asking for nerf like bruh
for me instead of nerfing skills they should just buff other existing skills, especially previous skills like the arm break shot (should've been the most op and useful skill in bow class since there's no charging whatsoever) coz everyone just like to use t4 and t5 skills more often than t1 to t3 (except for some classes like bowtana's zantei and magadachi, ds's phantom slash and cross-parry, etc.).... heck even assassin builds, sub knux builds, sub md builds and sub arrow builds that isn't bow/bg gets severely overshadowed by brain dead meta :v
@@geminas5044 They will be more bothersome when T4 crusher comes. Also staff mage adjustment but I have a bad feeling about md skill.
Oh , I forgot. Aso did such a weird moves for as long as I can remember. I wonder if they don't listen to those metaslaves anymore.
Wonderful video 😊
GOAT
🔥 really love this content
yea aerial cut op n imnotsaltybouit
when u talked about how people spend millions on maxing out a character i felt that im a mage main Crit mage to be exact my build is like that of glen nemisis /Magic cannon i must say im happy with it im a og player who has a lot of knowledge to where i know a few farming spots that allow me to do anything i wish in toram not carrying about spina my crit mage is max dte dte weap/sub/armor to break down how much it costed i have 6 sets or weapon sub and armor totaling 18 dte equipment for my lone mage example dte fire weap fire md aka sub and fire dte armor each staff is 7th anniv 2s each costing me around 50m per staff 50m*6= 300m for all dte 2s staffs with elem and int matk crit stats md sub dte was pretty cheap around 10m for all elements 2s armor with dte each costing me around 30m for clean 2s armor later paying 5m for dte service so each armor costing me around 35m to have them made 35m*6=around 210m for armor dte sets not even including the xtals i need to buy the classic mage add with 2 slot alone costed me 170m at the time and the 2s ring astral lamp at the time costed me 200m as it is rare and ppl sold it that high now if we look at xtals for weapons each staff costed me extra 5-7m spina for filling xtals for each staff so around 30-50m to fill staffs with xtals on armor it hurt all my armors have yule cat at the time i bought it yule cat xtal cost 20-25m each i bought 6 of em costing me around 200m to even full yulecat on all my armors i know it may seem like alot and it was alot of spina if id have to estimate how much it cost me to max out my mage like i have id say bear 1b spina and all for me to deal 2.5m with magic cannon *5 doing instant 12.5m damage with magic cannon and nemisis doing around 400k per hit hitting 20 times and magic burst doing 5m now all thats in a combo so its almost 17m insta burst damage comming from my mage when i combo and metor crash breaks boss armor so armor isnt too much of issue also me having high magic pierce only downside is i need 15-20 seconds before i can nuke the boss cuz i must prepare now the purpose i said all this was to ask do u think me spending almost 1b for this character with that damage worth it or should i jump off a bridge
Dte is better 😅😅😅
As tank main good or bad dps it fine, as long as i can tank ez the boss 😂.
i guess it is still a good things for casual pleb like me, previously op stuff good value go down, cost less mean less grind to get, I wouldn't be as strong as endgame hardcore players but old content is still content :p
First 🙃
I agree,,
A lot of spinas give us a chance to buy powerful EQ.
spina makes the world go round
Well even if you have the skill ehat can i di if the boss need 10 minute to kill
Just what you said, people usually wants to get partys able to farm bosses in the fastest way, and you said "don't worry about it if other classes are powerful and just better that yours" but it is a huge problem because it makes everything harder for the player that doesn't play with the "meta class" *cof cof cf cof cof dual* you may think that everything is on the equipment but what if I put millions on equipment and even with that I keep not being able to make same damage as the others? Dual have everything now:
Huge damage, speed, distance, proration, element, survivalism, buffs.
Please respond to me, you feel it is ok that duals get better skills just because they need more lvl that the others? Because now I'm lvl 250 and I keep not getting such a powerful skills like arterial cut or lunage missFortune, and I'm okay if not every class makes same damage as long as they keep being able to shine on it's own way
(Kn medium damage, high survivalism)
(Katana high damage, hard survivalism)
(hb medium damage, able to ignore defenses)
(1h abble to use a lot of tools)
(mage.....mage.....??? Magic canon is horrible)
Dual used to be one of the worst classes in the game - give them their time in the spotlight… but yeah aerial cut nerf plzzzz…
@@Fennikash I don't want them to be nerfed on the same way xd because even me that don't use dual know that their T4 nerf were too much, but now I feel they got a T6 skills that basically let's them do everything alone just like cf on it's time, and I don't want it to happen again
@@mecanic8137 Maybe their t6 won't be as impressive as bows t5. Aerial cutter needs a nerf, but not a giant nerf. Dual swords take A LOT of time to learn how to play to, because of timing reasons. Its not as hard as katanas, but some ppl find it difficult. In my opinion, Aerial Cutter should do about the same amount of damage as the other t5 skills like Lunar Slash and Dragonic charge. With that said, ds builds are very hard to make :). But you have every right to be salty about aerial cutter and their absolutely cracked kit.
@@Fennikash of course I don't want them to be nerfed just like it happened with their T4 skills, that were too much!! But I'm pretty sure all community agree that dual T5 skills are broken and that may cause the game to fall on the same problem where everyone is using the same class only because that's the meta
@@mecanic8137 Very true and I hope they will nerf the multiplier to a reasonable amount of dmg :). Aerial Cutter wasn't even supposed to be the main DPS skill of the tree lol.
Hivan is a real legend back then, unfortunately he quit the game.
Yeahh, I wonder if he will comeback someday :'>
@@bakutori i wish.
i kinda want to quit toram cause besides that im poor at spina , i don't have skills also🥺 I've researched and practice already but i still sucks, i suck in real life i suck in game too , what a garbage i am sht
im level 202 now, i level through normal monster grinding for hours from level 196-202 and it was fckng hard.
I don't know if i will quit
Bruh, y'all have spinas?
I get all my gears by myself
Like nuretoht its become expansive than before cause golem xtall
Not about the video at all but what is that back hair they have in 0:18?
8:46
Players:"Powercreep its really bad,its impossible make player Happy, especially newbie"
Asobimo:"its not impossible,its necessary"
*Insterstellar BGM start on BG while they design the Yatagarasu
I'm with u,to much nerd player shout "Nerf DS" but they don't know about how potential other job when u build using 300m spina,trust me,it will much better than DS Aeral Cut
300m spina for me?? i can easly run every boss Iruna-Toram world without Tank
Bcs i have DMG,T H I C C HP(with huge Resist ofc),and Fast af,ahh yes fyi i can't play DS bcs its not my gamplay and Ktn too,even i have full 2s eq of it
Kind of true but kind of don't at the same time. I'm a Knuckles solo full 2slot A 100%PP. Do 11m in 7s is normal but I have to repair a lot of Skill buff, Goliath charge, ... While the same DS I build do 4m each air slash with no..repead no buff at all. I like DS but currently it just overpower at least comparison to Knuckles
@@nomed8745 knuckle isn't a high dps nuke class, it leans more to tank, asura aura many buffs and passives are mainly to make you do more damage but also tank hits more efficiently, like it can give 100% ailment resistance with zero mtl stat, and also has dmg reduction
0:21
What's that blue avatar/armour?
Dude u kra ...Nopain is the man 💯
Definitely not salty at all xD
That was a pretty good video
Dmg status?
Man i love the new voice
Why not just buff everything that's weaker then the current meta?? Let not nerf... let just buff we all can have what we want
4:05 whats the name of the cape? OwO
Its a top avatar, moonlight avatar iirc
Thx qwq
Up vulture please :v
Ds getting nerf now huh
Oww really? I just saw skill adjustment xD. So we didnt know yet
@@bakutori hope the mp cost of lunar misfortune won't be more than 3 else it will be back to storm reaper sh
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as a tank main . i dont believe in no dmg no party . .