"The Goths had a fundamental role in the destiny of Europe in the first centuries of the Middle Ages. However, they had a discreet presence in the following centuries, keeping the Gothic culture alive until the 16th century in some parts of Mediterranean Europe, as is the case of the Crimean Goths, who lost their independence in 1475 to the Turks. That would explain the reason why the Gothic civilization has access to technologies such as gunpowder."
Worse, slingers would probably fire lead bullets too. Roman slingers did at the very least. Molded ammo is much easier to use because of how consistent it is.
@@lolaldanee2743 i mean, incas are one of the american civs that used metal weapons (maces, axes and halberds), you can even see their bronce helments in the kamayuq
@@lolaldanee2743 there are histories from spanish conquistadors about inca's slingers destroying both legs with a single stone throw, they were really good and with extreme accuracy, have to remember that bullets at that time only hit 1/5 unless it was really close
Italians in general imo. I have surprised a lot of people in games where I pull out the Genoese crossbowman and they dunno why their knights die instantly. Italians very good at having awkward or hard to remember counters.
No, it's just straight up badly designed. Being the counter unit of a rare counter unit of a rare counter unit makes this unit so extremely rarely viable that it might as well not be viable at all. Also, the enemy will pretty much only make handcannoniers if you are already heavily invested in swordsman, in which case the whole benefit of the condottiero not requiring upgrades is wasted, since you would only use them when you already spent a lot on swordsman anyway.
@@noodleknight7924 I agree with the assessment, but it misses the point. It is basically an extra unique unit (Italians already have one) for everyone on your team, that is still effective in many of the same situations as champions and can be pulled out in a pinch. They are a trump card you can surprise opponents with, not the backbone of your unit comp.
The condotiero being avalaible for every allied civ was quite the change for the game I remember when the italians were added my friends asked me to play as them in team fights
I see them most in team games on water maps, where they're a very fast-producing unit with great stats that needs no upgrades - play water all game, then land on hitting imp, dump barracks on the enemy islands, flood condos into their base. The fact they don't need any techs to be good is the most important thing about them frankly.
Fun strat is to play Italians goths on a map like arena. Sling the goth up to imp then he spams condott which are obscenely cheap and you can run over players
I think an extra emphasis can be placed on how good they are with Goths. Gunpowder is commonly used as a counter to Goths, but apart from a strong champion line, who can stop a goth player with both huskarl and condos?
I think it whould go to to either infantry counters ( jaguars, cataphracts, maybe teutonic chads?) or a micro battle of huskarl counters and condo counters
I just don't understand why fast moving infantry units like the Condottiero or the Woad Raider don't have a running animation when there's a bunch of running units on foot in the game already. Edit for reference after a quick glance at the wiki: Plumed Archers are running and have a speed of 1.2, the same as Condotteri. Even worse, Woad Raiders actually outpace Elite Eagle Warriors with 1.38 speed after the Celts' civ bonus vs 1.3...
@@hansoskar1911 True but my point still stands though. If a unit like the Plumed Archer can run at 1.2 speed surely just as fast or even faster units should be able to run, too. Also, it's not like the Eagle Warrior's running animation only starts after researching squires.
It's perfect AoE2 logic! I actually do like the fact that there are just some units that power walk ridiculously fast. It's so menacing and intimidating. The best idea is to actually give Teutonic Knights a running animation but keep their speed the same :D
Me when I hear the outro: oh my, I love this music... WAIT - there wasn't an intro -> going back if I missed it -> realising there was no intro -> crying
Tatoh wrecked an opponent with them in a recent tournament semifinal, if I remember correctly. People were thinking the opponent had a civ win, but everyone forgot about this unit!
7:20 The only problem I see with this is that, as italians, you are not likely to be using Pikemen against cavalry, but Genoese Crossbowmen, which not only you can get fully upgraded, they also work well for other archer roles, and you can start massing them up from Castle Age. Of course, they cost gold, so if you are short on that, you could make pikemen, but if you are short on gold, you can't make Condottieros to counter the enemy hand cannons xD.
While that's true in the booming maps like Black Forest and Arena, there can easily be cases where you're just under too much pressure to transition into collecting stone for the castle(s) needed. Couple that with the fact that if you drop an additional barracks or two you could easily push a greater mass sooner and it makes sense why sometimes the Genoese X-Bow might not be as viable.
@@pattonramming1988 Really? I'm not an expert, but most guides pretty much tell you to focus on one or two units with your economy as you continue to build your economy?
Interestingly enough, the biggest flaw I can see for the Condotierro is that you'd have to play Italians. I hope it's a sacrifice more players make in team games thanks to your work! The Penthousetierros line slew me, thank you.
Great video as always! I have to point out though, that at 7:32 when you compared Champion vs Condos against Janis, the Jani did miss the second shot on the champion, and I believe that would've been enough for the Champion to lose that engagement. While the Condos' anti bonus damage doesn't benefit them there, the extra speed still makes them quite a bit better in that matchup.
IMO Italian ally in Arena is SOOOO good. When flank is against Turks for example who you just know are going to go fast imp, you can match and then do Condottiero + Siege Tower follow up. Slaughters every time
@@gilb_4 Doesnt have any attack bonus against cavalry though. Also less pierce armor. So while they are better against Champions or Gunpowder, they are worse against cavalry and archers (compared to Eagles).
Their speed and bonus damage make them great at dealing with bombard cannons as well, meaning that in a team game fielding a group of condottieri makes it hard to effectively engage your allies' ranged units and/or siege.
the main niche for me is the landing with barracks on islands in imp. After heavy fights on water, which italians often win, it is really deadly to have a fully upgraded imp unit rather fast, that is really good at raidin
This might be counter-intuitive, but I personally have found the best use of Condottiero in my games by treating them more like a cavalry alternative than a champion alternative. Using their very high speed and durability as an excellent raiding unit
I can see that. Thing is, Italians have good cavalry, including fully upgraded hussars. And hussars tend to be better in that role than condos (especially since hussars don't cost gold).
Shout out to sotl for pronouncing correctly the plural of condottiero: "condottieri" and not "condottieros" like all the other English speaking TH-camr say.
Quick, expensive, and often not the best choice long-term is pretty reflective of history when it comes to Condottieri. To be truly accurate, though, they should be particularly vulnerable to conversion, since real-life Italian mercenary companies were notorious for accepting bribes.
I like that idea on paper, but I feel like they would need to be stronger in some way to compensate for such a crippling weakness, were it to be implemented. Particularly at top level play, it would mean you just never see the unit at all except maybe for teams with Teutons! Sometimes balance consideration is better than a bit more historical accuracy ^^
@@Kihanacloudy Now that I think about it, Italians don't get Heresy, so any converted Condottieri fight for the enemy. I guess that kind of covers the bribery parallel.
Teutons with Condos feels so good to play. Friendship with the ETK has ended. Finally a fast-moving, tanky unit that also shreds gunpowder and doesn't take any lenghty upgrades. Godly infantry unit imo for Teutons.
Historically makes no sense why they counter gunpowder, to be honest I’d rather have unarmored fast moving infantry counter gunpowder for historical accuracy
@@imjusthappytobedepressed1123 "That condottiero is all by himself." "Those condottieri are taking that building down very quickly!" "The condottiero's attack bonus vs gunpowder unit is very effective." See the difference?
Thx for the video, really informative. Also wanted to ask again (I asked on the last video) if you would do another video on civ bonuses carrying over/getting lost on conversion. You did one years ago, but there's a lot of new civs now. I'm particularly interested in the bonuses such as polish vills healing, or the infantry trample damage tech.
Because Condoterrieo were meceneraries it makes sense that their gold cost is higher than champions. However, their food cost and their creation time don't make sense. Mercenaries should be able to create almost instantly.
Goth Flank with Italian Pocket on Arena can be a real killer. Your allies sling the Goth player to imp at around min 16, the Italian fast castle castle drops with petards, and then 3 barracks condos just kills everything. It felt super dirty to play, but man is it fun
Playing 2v2 (Italians and Dravidians) was amazing with these guys. I would spam condos with Wootz Steel if needed and my brother would cover them with his Genoa Crossbows. We win about 5 games in a row using that combo.
I think the clearest use case is for a civ that has great champions/similar unique units against civs that want to counter with gunpowder. Being able to swap back & fourth to a faster anti-hand cannon version of the same unit as needed with no transition cost really takes that solution away from the enemy and the speed is huge against a gunpowder heavy civ beyond hand cannons. You can force a different counter to the main unit or anticipate their counter and prempt the hand cannon switch and catch em with their pants down if you time it right.
Since this video was made before mountain royals dlc came i must point out that Armenians unique tech apply to condottieri, making them having a whopping 110 hp, its is kinda broken when your pair italians and Armenians
well I don't think I'll ever use the condottiero.. mainly because I don't actually play this game, but still love the vids.. Its like recreating the feeling of reading an old school game manual
"If you have the gold..." Well, in team games, you can trade for it. Wanna mention that among the Infantry-civs, Goths actually don't have Supplies, meaning their Champions aren't that much cheaper compared to Condos. Also, they have the hidden bonus of your opponents maybe mistaking them for Huskarls, especially since they are more likely to make HC when up against Goths.
I think Burmese is a very good civ to use condottiero after pure booming to imperial age to have fast like-champion rush But could condottiero get a buff to gain 1 attack more please?
6:57 - It's rare that I feel like the AoE 2 attack animations have any weight behind them, but that hand cannoneer got taken to the chopping block, sheesh!
I've played Italians a fair bit, but I rarely use condos. They tend to be more of a niche unit (one that usually comes with missing upgrades). Also, when I do use them, I often don't have a lot of infantry upgrades (as in, I typically spend 100 food to get the first infantry armor upgrade). One time I used condos that stands out in my memory is against a Bohemian AI that had lots of Hussite wagons. Condos get bonus damage against the wagons, deal well with hand cannons and monks (speed and good attack), and don't take bonus damage from halbs. So Condotieros are a strong unit against the Bohemians. That said, there are a few gunpowder units they don't do well against (Conquistadors kite them and janissaries as mentioned in video) I do agree that the Condos tend to be more helpful to the non-infantry civs (with full blacksmith for their infantry) than the infantry civs. My one notable exception is the Goths who have a potent fast-imp into Condos and who technically are missing supplies and practically get arson for free. I consider the Goths to be the civ that can make the best use of the Condos.
It might also worth comparing a fully upgraded Condottiero (with Pavise) to an Italian Hussar. The Hussar costs 80 food and has - 95 HP - 1.5 tiles per second movement (+10% with husbandry) - 11 attack - 4 melee armor - 6 pierce armor - 1.9s attack speed - 30s creation speed - bonuses against monks The Condottiero costs 50 food and 35 gold and has - 80 HP - 1.2 tiles p.s. movement (+10% with squires) - 14 attack - 5 melee armor - 5 pierce armor - 1.9s attack speed - 18s creation speed - bonuses against gunpowder - benefits from Arson So the Condottiero is a bit squishier and still slower than a Hussar, but deals more damage. Costs a lot of gold though, so I think you rather want to get the Hussar upgrade and make that instead unless the opponent has pikes/halberdiers everywhere.
This beauty quickly became a favourite unique unit of mine. Not only is it a revolutionary form of team bonus, and an anti-gunpowder unit. It is also a faster swordsman you can quickly tech into. My one complaint of it being worse for Italians than their allies have been solved now. Besides, always loved sword and shield infantry. Who doesn't want to build their own legion?
Honestly I think their biggest boon is their speed. Given how micro and fights can come down to second decisions, having a cheap stat stick to be able to pressure or micro more effectively is pretty good.
They were nerfed a bit too much when they got their nerf close to release. I used to think they were a castle age unit and there wasn an elite condotierro. On BF I used to go fast imp to mass condos. Was fun.
The Italian-Slavic Mafia scares the crap out of me, but the Lithuanian Condottiero scares me more since you can focus on cav upgrades and just use a good inf replacement. Not to mention the free gold from relics.
A bit late, but when you mentioned the Bulgarians, you should've mentioned that they automatically get swordsman upgrades in each age, so Two-Handed Swordsmen and Condottieri are both instantly available in the Imperial Age. That's a pretty important point that makes them similar.
hi! SFTL! please make a video with the best trebuchets: Huns (+30%acurracy) Britons (warwolf) tartars (+2 distance atack) Saracens ( +damage) Teutons (+meler armour) Japanese (kataparuto) Mongols (moves faster) Celts (+ hp) and may another ones!!!
I really wish you would have mentioned or showed how they do against conquistadors or things like hussite wagons. I know you mentioned the armor only is effective against hand cannoneers, but considering their bonus damage against gunpowder units that could have been interesting.
Honestly I’m just imagining the Japanese version. The Japanese are now attacking in Italian… Also probably also railing a line before battle because sweet lord that attack speed. Faster than any other melee in the game at that point.
Sweet I main persians in team games, helpful to know this! after i've douched, been a nuisance for 30 minutes, then reboomed (maybe twice) and we are two hours into team games, i'll have a late game infantry option!
If they are going to make it so the Condotierro only resists bonus damage from gunpowder units with anit infantry damage, i wish they just made it resist damage from a ll gunpowder units instead. Maybe give gunpowder units a slightly different damage class or something, or give those units a malus vs condotierros, currently it just feels wrong.
Suzerainty of the City States DLC. Possible Italian split. (Low Priority) A very short Video on one of the reasons why I’d like this split. Venetian-Genoese Wars | 3 Minute History th-cam.com/video/27gJh1oNewM/w-d-xo.html Italian Wars | 3 Minute History th-cam.com/video/Pi-xKY8_66g/w-d-xo.html Genoa/Milan/ Pisa. Early to High Medieval Crusader/naval civ UU: Genoese Crossbowman. UU Dock: Trebuchet Galleon UT Castle:• Pavise (foot archers and infantry +1 armor/+1 pierce armor) UT Imp:• People's Crusade - Levy troops become Pikemen, +1 Attack to infantry and knights. Civ Bonus1: Knight line does bonus damage against cavalry archers. Civ bonus 2:Gallions do more damage to land units + buildings Civ bonus 3:University+Monastery technologies cost -33% Civ bonus 4:Billhook levies have increased farming rate. Team bonus - Monasteries are cheaper 50% less wood. Barracks Champion - Crusader skin : Nasal helm, Kite shield + sword Pikemen - Crusader skin : Nasal helm, Kite shield + Spear Dark age Peasant levy - available in dark age , cheap, cost 20 food and 20 wood, trains extremely fast. Very low hp. Spam these to defend against early rushes, overwhelm militia + man at arms with numbers. Does 1 more attack than a villager but is weaker to arrow fire than a villager. Feudal age Upgrades to BIll hook levy - More HP, benefits from scale mail armour , cost 30 food 30wood Strong vs scout cav, same stats as Man at arms but still very weak to ranged attack. Does not benefit from forging nor Pavise. Can work on farms to gather food. (Regional unit) Stable Paladin (norman crusader skin same goes for Sicily) Hussar AR Arb (Nasal helm Crusader crossbow skin kite shield on back) ESkirm (Berber skin) CA (Saracen skin) Skirm SW Siege ram Siege Tower Mangonel Scorpion (close relation to the Byzantines,) Dock: UU Dock imp: Trebuchet Galleon - same range and rate of fire as a trebuchet. Thus almost similar to a cannon galleon but does not require chemistry nor any elite upgrade. Galeon FF Heavy demo University No BBT Monastery: Regional unit: Hospitaller knights - Hospitaller knights do extremely little damage to enemy villagers (Right clicking on an enemy villager will either convert the villager (Templar) or heal the villager (Hospitalar) but they gain a +2 attack boost + 25% HP(Or conversion resistance) when within LOS of a Relic or friendly church containing one or more relics..Gains attributes from all monastery techs except Redemption: Templar + Hospitallers are very weak to siege damage. Genoa - Only Hospitalars Franks/Britons/Sicilians - Both Hospitalars & Templars Portuguese - Only Templars Full farming tech tree Wonder: Cathedral of Genoa, (Currently in game) Holy see/Papal States/Florence 700s AD. Middle to late Monk/Diplomacy civ Castel st Angelo UU: can use the UU of their ally or if no ally is in play they can choose which natural allies UU to use. Swiss - Swiss Pikemen + Papal guards Aragone - Unctioned Knight Castile - Conquistador + Garrochistas Spanish lancer (Papal bull) Habsburgs - Dopplesalder Franks - Templars + Hospitilars Venice - Venetian Arquebusiers Genoa - Genoese Crossbowmen UT Castle:Papal bull - can train knights (Crusader skin), your knights adopt the bonuses and skins of those attributed to the knights of your allies UT Imp:Exiled nobles/Excommunication - Exiling nobles to the courts of your enemies causes inner turmoil with their leadership - All enemy military units -1 attack. (Expensive) (Excommunication by the Pope (Papal states) is null and void, no effect on HRE) Civ Bonus1: Pavise handgunners - Hand cannoneers gain +1P armour Civ bonus 2: You receive 50% of the gold spent on training monks by your allies Civ bonus 3:You receive 50% of the gold spent on researching of Monastery techs by your allies. Civ bonus 4:Cardinals (Papal monks) Gains 20 gold each time they convert an enemy unit.
Team Bonus:Condottiero available in the Barracks in Imperial Age Barracks Champion Heater shield + sword + kettle helm Pikemen - Heater shield + Spear + kettle helm When allied to the Swiss , both Swiss and Papal states gain access to Papal Guards. Can hook enemies with his halberd to slow them down. Papal Guards are slower and have less Line of Sight than Halberdiers, but have more attack , more HP and gains added pierce armour when in the vicinity of any church. Does bonus damage to Landsknechts + Dopplesalders. (Uses Papal Guard skin from DE3) Stable Papal Bull knights (Goes up to cavalier if not allied) Hussar AR Arb Handcannonners (with Pavise on back) Mounted Crossbowmen - does more damage than a CA but fires slower. (Portuguese as well) If allied to a civ with strong CA you instead gain those ca + their bonuses. SW BBC Capped ram Mangonel Scorpion Monnestary: Cardinals (Papal monks) Gains 20 gold each time they convert an enemy unit. No Illumination. Dock: Gallion Fast fire Demo Cannon galleon Wonder:St Peters Basilica
If by in unlucky streak of bad decisions you end up in an Amazon Tunnels or Michi game, make sure your team has both Italians and Goths. Gothic condottieri spam is just bonkers against most popular strats.
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huskarl: "who are you"
condottiero: "im you from the future, where guns exist".
And weaker but faster.
Having an italian ally as goths, but spamming Condottiero just because you can. they really fly otta those barracks!
@@Wabaanimkii i think that's the quickest unit(post imp) you can make(pls feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)
"The Goths had a fundamental role in the destiny of Europe in the first centuries of the Middle Ages. However, they had a discreet presence in the following centuries, keeping the Gothic culture alive until the 16th century in some parts of Mediterranean Europe, as is the case of the Crimean Goths, who lost their independence in 1475 to the Turks. That would explain the reason why the Gothic civilization has access to technologies such as gunpowder."
@@f4k3gamer I'm sorry to inform you that you are in fact wrong. The quickest is shotel warrior with unique tech I think.
Resists lead bullets from a gun
Does not resist a stone fired with a sling
Seems legit, AoE logic at its finest
Thanks God someone noticed this.
I think they should deny slingers bonus.
Worse, slingers would probably fire lead bullets too. Roman slingers did at the very least. Molded ammo is much easier to use because of how consistent it is.
@@dojelnotmyrealname4018 true, but Inca slingers would probably use stones, not much metalwork in the americas (besides gold of course) after all
@@lolaldanee2743 i mean, incas are one of the american civs that used metal weapons (maces, axes and halberds), you can even see their bronce helments in the kamayuq
@@lolaldanee2743 there are histories from spanish conquistadors about inca's slingers destroying both legs with a single stone throw, they were really good and with extreme accuracy, have to remember that bullets at that time only hit 1/5 unless it was really close
They have coolness factor on their side as well.
Always has been
They do seem like chads for some reason
@@Yamaazaka they are
True, they just look so "tankie" and their helmets are one of the finest looking in the game.
Along with the amazing learnings, editing and production value we associate with SotL, we need to pay particular tribute for "Penthousettiero".
I had to rewind and listen again before I actually got it :D what a legend
A round of applause for Spirit who officially became a dad after that joke! 🧔
Don't forget Hand Cannon Ears!
hahahah
Timestamp?
I honestly hadn't realized the Photon Man was a gunpowder unit. But I guess that makes sense.
Paladin: Oh? You outrun me? Instead of standing to fight, you move away?
Condotierro: You can't beat the shit out of me if you can't get closer.
Viking Condottiero: there was only one reason you lost... you let me get chieftains
Paladin: Oho! Then run as far as you like!
Chael sonnentierro : I can't let you get close
Imagine a condottiero running faster then paladin with celtic boots in real life
Or a condottiero with 96 HP because of the infantry HP bonus from Viking.
@@denblue2552 and smacking +5 against your cavalry
look what they need to do to mimic a fraction of our speed
And now a 110 HP Armenian Condottiero
"Anti-Anti-Infantry-Infantry"
Cataphract: *You dare oppose my strength?*
A fellow cataphract enjoyer, nice
But... the Cataphract is just an anti-infantry cavalry... what's the connection?
@@xXTheKingEmothXx spirit said anti anti infantry infantry forgetting about things like cataphract and leopard soldiers who shred condotierro
I think he said "Anti anti-infantry infantry" just as a joke and a reference to the Chu-Ko-Nu video and its "anti anti-archer archer" role.
I'm joking guys...
I feel like this unit is underappreciated.
No way
No
Italians in general imo. I have surprised a lot of people in games where I pull out the Genoese crossbowman and they dunno why their knights die instantly. Italians very good at having awkward or hard to remember counters.
No, it's just straight up badly designed.
Being the counter unit of a rare counter unit of a rare counter unit makes this unit so extremely rarely viable that it might as well not be viable at all.
Also, the enemy will pretty much only make handcannoniers if you are already heavily invested in swordsman, in which case the whole benefit of the condottiero not requiring upgrades is wasted, since you would only use them when you already spent a lot on swordsman anyway.
@@noodleknight7924 I agree with the assessment, but it misses the point. It is basically an extra unique unit (Italians already have one) for everyone on your team, that is still effective in many of the same situations as champions and can be pulled out in a pinch. They are a trump card you can surprise opponents with, not the backbone of your unit comp.
They also have the benefit of having those cool-looking round shields.
2:20 lol, that laser trooper in there was pure gold.
thanks, i didnt know what that unit was.
PHOTON MAN!!!!
Yep. Just realized that 111
The condotiero being avalaible for every allied civ was quite the change for the game
I remember when the italians were added my friends asked me to play as them in team fights
me clavé varios de tus videos, Arthas es de Racing papáaa
That addition in The Forgotten set the stage for Berber Genitours in African Kingdoms
I see them most in team games on water maps, where they're a very fast-producing unit with great stats that needs no upgrades - play water all game, then land on hitting imp, dump barracks on the enemy islands, flood condos into their base. The fact they don't need any techs to be good is the most important thing about them frankly.
Fun strat is to play Italians goths on a map like arena. Sling the goth up to imp then he spams condott which are obscenely cheap and you can run over players
I think you meant "the most important thing about them italianly"
@@joshuaspencer1346 You, sir, deserve a cookie.
They do need blacksmith upgrades and squires and arson to be effective. At least armor and arson
I think an extra emphasis can be placed on how good they are with Goths. Gunpowder is commonly used as a counter to Goths, but apart from a strong champion line, who can stop a goth player with both huskarl and condos?
Byzantine post imp. Maybe a Khmer full 60 heavy scorpions blob. Pretty much it
Cataphract and Slav Infantry with Druzhina still wreck both of them
Paladin would do fine. The paladin player's teammates would be making ranged units to kill the Goth halbs as well.
I think it whould go to to either infantry counters ( jaguars, cataphracts, maybe teutonic chads?) or a micro battle of huskarl counters and condo counters
Teutonic Knights.
I just don't understand why fast moving infantry units like the Condottiero or the Woad Raider don't have a running animation when there's a bunch of running units on foot in the game already.
Edit for reference after a quick glance at the wiki: Plumed Archers are running and have a speed of 1.2, the same as Condotteri. Even worse, Woad Raiders actually outpace Elite Eagle Warriors with 1.38 speed after the Celts' civ bonus vs 1.3...
Eagles can get Squires so they end on 1,43 speed.
@@hansoskar1911 True but my point still stands though. If a unit like the Plumed Archer can run at 1.2 speed surely just as fast or even faster units should be able to run, too. Also, it's not like the Eagle Warrior's running animation only starts after researching squires.
It's perfect AoE2 logic!
I actually do like the fact that there are just some units that power walk ridiculously fast. It's so menacing and intimidating.
The best idea is to actually give Teutonic Knights a running animation but keep their speed the same :D
I love the Italians, and the Condottieri have been one of my secret weapons for the longest time, people always underestimate them on the surface
Me when I hear the outro:
oh my, I love this music... WAIT - there wasn't an intro -> going back if I missed it -> realising there was no intro -> crying
Tatoh wrecked an opponent with them in a recent tournament semifinal, if I remember correctly. People were thinking the opponent had a civ win, but everyone forgot about this unit!
Was the opposing civ Hindustanis?
@@Tocaraca Tatoh vs Running Wallhalla, Italians vs Bohemians
Ah yes the " *Cooler Champion™* " when you need a anti trash but you didnt research anything above man at arms
7:20 The only problem I see with this is that, as italians, you are not likely to be using Pikemen against cavalry, but Genoese Crossbowmen, which not only you can get fully upgraded, they also work well for other archer roles, and you can start massing them up from Castle Age.
Of course, they cost gold, so if you are short on that, you could make pikemen, but if you are short on gold, you can't make Condottieros to counter the enemy hand cannons xD.
While that's true in the booming maps like Black Forest and Arena, there can easily be cases where you're just under too much pressure to transition into collecting stone for the castle(s) needed. Couple that with the fact that if you drop an additional barracks or two you could easily push a greater mass sooner and it makes sense why sometimes the Genoese X-Bow might not be as viable.
It's useful to have both. Pikes are still a good meat shield to hold the cavalry off while you're Genoese crossbows shred them.
Genoese crossbowman dont get a damage bonus against pikemen so they can actually be overwhelmed by pikemen fairly easily. Most people don't know that
It's a good practice to have a mix of units rather than overelying on a few unit types
@@pattonramming1988 Really? I'm not an expert, but most guides pretty much tell you to focus on one or two units with your economy as you continue to build your economy?
Interestingly enough, the biggest flaw I can see for the Condotierro is that you'd have to play Italians. I hope it's a sacrifice more players make in team games thanks to your work!
The Penthousetierros line slew me, thank you.
Great video as always!
I have to point out though, that at 7:32 when you compared Champion vs Condos against Janis, the Jani did miss the second shot on the champion, and I believe that would've been enough for the Champion to lose that engagement. While the Condos' anti bonus damage doesn't benefit them there, the extra speed still makes them quite a bit better in that matchup.
Surprised that you didn't mention that since Condo's are a team bonus Unit, their extra gold cost can be less relevant because trade.
Also pairs with the other Italian unique tech, Silk Road (trade units cost -50%).
IMO Italian ally in Arena is SOOOO good. When flank is against Turks for example who you just know are going to go fast imp, you can match and then do Condottiero + Siege Tower follow up. Slaughters every time
I wish siege towers were cheaper. They add a new dimension to a lot of closed games but the investment is prohibitive.
We need a “the best condottiero” with examples of how they handle with, for example the Slavs splash damage bonus and all other bonuses!!
the Aztec condottiero is the best imo, it makes pure gunpowder in late game not that strong against you if you have enough condottiero massed
It is like a more elite EEW, more HP, 17 attack and 33% hp, for 15 less gold
@@gilb_4 Doesnt have any attack bonus against cavalry though. Also less pierce armor. So while they are better against Champions or Gunpowder, they are worse against cavalry and archers (compared to Eagles).
Their speed and bonus damage make them great at dealing with bombard cannons as well, meaning that in a team game fielding a group of condottieri makes it hard to effectively engage your allies' ranged units and/or siege.
SOtL bruh your uploads are just wholesome and a joy to watch. Freaking making math fun..you cheeky sir.
the main niche for me is the landing with barracks on islands in imp. After heavy fights on water, which italians often win, it is really deadly to have a fully upgraded imp unit rather fast, that is really good at raidin
This might be counter-intuitive, but I personally have found the best use of Condottiero in my games by treating them more like a cavalry alternative than a champion alternative. Using their very high speed and durability as an excellent raiding unit
I can see that. Thing is, Italians have good cavalry, including fully upgraded hussars. And hussars tend to be better in that role than condos (especially since hussars don't cost gold).
@@jasonsmith1950 but not all of their allies do
Shout out to sotl for pronouncing correctly the plural of condottiero: "condottieri" and not "condottieros" like all the other English speaking TH-camr say.
Quick, expensive, and often not the best choice long-term is pretty reflective of history when it comes to Condottieri. To be truly accurate, though, they should be particularly vulnerable to conversion, since real-life Italian mercenary companies were notorious for accepting bribes.
That maybe covered by the fact that Italians dont have Heresy.
I like that idea on paper, but I feel like they would need to be stronger in some way to compensate for such a crippling weakness, were it to be implemented. Particularly at top level play, it would mean you just never see the unit at all except maybe for teams with Teutons! Sometimes balance consideration is better than a bit more historical accuracy ^^
@@Kihanacloudy Now that I think about it, Italians don't get Heresy, so any converted Condottieri fight for the enemy. I guess that kind of covers the bribery parallel.
Cool idea. I dont think that would affect play too much, since they move rather fast and they should 2 shot monks.
But why they ressist bullets
Condottiero look amazing, and I think that's what matters the most.
Their weakness to slingers is a small silver lining considering Incas' weakness to gunpowder, especially with the Italians' 20% discount 😆
I like Condottieros design, they look truly medieval :)
A video like this for the Teutonic Knight.
"Penthouse"-tierris had me in stitches :D
Italians as a whole generally are very underrated
Teutons with Condos feels so good to play. Friendship with the ETK has ended. Finally a fast-moving, tanky unit that also shreds gunpowder and doesn't take any lenghty upgrades. Godly infantry unit imo for Teutons.
Honestly, i love them because they are the coolest looking unit in the game IMO. I love their attack animation!
Historically makes no sense why they counter gunpowder, to be honest I’d rather have unarmored fast moving infantry counter gunpowder for historical accuracy
Well a lot of things in AoE 2 make no sense historically lol
@@dirkauditore8413 lol
Penthousettiero, nothing more to say (*claps at home*)
I like how you call them Condottierro's and Condottierri intermittently.
One is the singular possessive and the other is plural
@@pattonramming1988 Idk what any of that means, english is not my first language, all I know is silly shit sounds silly.
@@imjusthappytobedepressed1123 "That condottiero is all by himself."
"Those condottieri are taking that building down very quickly!"
"The condottiero's attack bonus vs gunpowder unit is very effective."
See the difference?
Thx for the video, really informative. Also wanted to ask again (I asked on the last video) if you would do another video on civ bonuses carrying over/getting lost on conversion. You did one years ago, but there's a lot of new civs now. I'm particularly interested in the bonuses such as polish vills healing, or the infantry trample damage tech.
What about Aztecs. Doesn't their unique tech Garland Wars give +4 attack to infantry including the Condorttiero?
First the Turks with the Berbers, and now Persians with the Italians, I'm really digging this trend of "match made in heaven" civ combos
This was very interesting! Great Job
I absolutely love watching your videos
Because Condoterrieo were meceneraries it makes sense that their gold cost is higher than champions. However, their food cost and their creation time don't make sense. Mercenaries should be able to create almost instantly.
Goth Flank with Italian Pocket on Arena can be a real killer. Your allies sling the Goth player to imp at around min 16, the Italian fast castle castle drops with petards, and then 3 barracks condos just kills everything.
It felt super dirty to play, but man is it fun
This is exactly what I needed 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thank you :)
Playing 2v2 (Italians and Dravidians) was amazing with these guys. I would spam condos with Wootz Steel if needed and my brother would cover them with his Genoa Crossbows. We win about 5 games in a row using that combo.
Really that sounds amazing
@@pattonramming1988 it’s always hilarious, especially cause nobody is thinking of a transition like that.
At 7:36 did the Janisarry miss the 2nd shot on the champ? Looked like that
I always find it hilarious for this unit running so fast when wearing this heavy armor 🤣
I usually like the looking of this unit though😍
I think the clearest use case is for a civ that has great champions/similar unique units against civs that want to counter with gunpowder. Being able to swap back & fourth to a faster anti-hand cannon version of the same unit as needed with no transition cost really takes that solution away from the enemy and the speed is huge against a gunpowder heavy civ beyond hand cannons. You can force a different counter to the main unit or anticipate their counter and prempt the hand cannon switch and catch em with their pants down if you time it right.
I can only afford an Apartmenttiero.
I feel like the Condo should have some bonus resistance against Janis, seems to be their reason to exist no?
Maybe a reducted version of their bonus.
It only makes sense given how the condotiero is described as an anti gunpowder unit
Since this video was made before mountain royals dlc came i must point out that Armenians unique tech apply to condottieri, making them having a whopping 110 hp, its is kinda broken when your pair italians and Armenians
well I don't think I'll ever use the condottiero.. mainly because I don't actually play this game, but still love the vids.. Its like recreating the feeling of reading an old school game manual
I had no idea the conditierri we're actually this good of a unit
"If you have the gold..." Well, in team games, you can trade for it.
Wanna mention that among the Infantry-civs, Goths actually don't have Supplies, meaning their Champions aren't that much cheaper compared to Condos. Also, they have the hidden bonus of your opponents maybe mistaking them for Huskarls, especially since they are more likely to make HC when up against Goths.
Huskarls -> 😳
Malian condottiero -> 😳😳😳😮😮
Wootz steel condottieri...
I need to try this.
Malay forced levy seems legit good combo, really gotta try it.
Does he have any bonus resistance against the new Persian castle?
I think Burmese is a very good civ to use condottiero after pure booming to imperial age to have fast like-champion rush
But could condottiero get a buff to gain 1 attack more please?
6:57 - It's rare that I feel like the AoE 2 attack animations have any weight behind them, but that hand cannoneer got taken to the chopping block, sheesh!
I’d be up for some more mercenary type units in the future that enable other civs to make them.
I've played Italians a fair bit, but I rarely use condos. They tend to be more of a niche unit (one that usually comes with missing upgrades). Also, when I do use them, I often don't have a lot of infantry upgrades (as in, I typically spend 100 food to get the first infantry armor upgrade). One time I used condos that stands out in my memory is against a Bohemian AI that had lots of Hussite wagons. Condos get bonus damage against the wagons, deal well with hand cannons and monks (speed and good attack), and don't take bonus damage from halbs. So Condotieros are a strong unit against the Bohemians. That said, there are a few gunpowder units they don't do well against (Conquistadors kite them and janissaries as mentioned in video)
I do agree that the Condos tend to be more helpful to the non-infantry civs (with full blacksmith for their infantry) than the infantry civs. My one notable exception is the Goths who have a potent fast-imp into Condos and who technically are missing supplies and practically get arson for free. I consider the Goths to be the civ that can make the best use of the Condos.
It might also worth comparing a fully upgraded Condottiero (with Pavise) to an Italian Hussar.
The Hussar costs 80 food and has
- 95 HP
- 1.5 tiles per second movement (+10% with husbandry)
- 11 attack
- 4 melee armor
- 6 pierce armor
- 1.9s attack speed
- 30s creation speed
- bonuses against monks
The Condottiero costs 50 food and 35 gold and has
- 80 HP
- 1.2 tiles p.s. movement (+10% with squires)
- 14 attack
- 5 melee armor
- 5 pierce armor
- 1.9s attack speed
- 18s creation speed
- bonuses against gunpowder
- benefits from Arson
So the Condottiero is a bit squishier and still slower than a Hussar, but deals more damage. Costs a lot of gold though, so I think you rather want to get the Hussar upgrade and make that instead unless the opponent has pikes/halberdiers everywhere.
Condotiero is the funnest imo I love playing teams where everybody can make each other's units
Great video SOTL! What about Huskarles and Jennisaires/Hand Cannoneers?
This beauty quickly became a favourite unique unit of mine. Not only is it a revolutionary form of team bonus, and an anti-gunpowder unit.
It is also a faster swordsman you can quickly tech into. My one complaint of it being worse for Italians than their allies have been solved now.
Besides, always loved sword and shield infantry. Who doesn't want to build their own legion?
Honestly I think their biggest boon is their speed. Given how micro and fights can come down to second decisions, having a cheap stat stick to be able to pressure or micro more effectively is pretty good.
"Instead of getting Condottiero you're getting Penthousettiero" what an amazing pun!
That condo/penthouse ttiero joke was surreal man 😂
Love the classic style video
I’m just here for the penthouse joke, nice one spirit
I still miss stingers original extra attack. I think they should get an elite slinger to get that attack back
They were nerfed a bit too much when they got their nerf close to release. I used to think they were a castle age unit and there wasn an elite condotierro.
On BF I used to go fast imp to mass condos. Was fun.
Tatar condos will miss two armor upgrades. I don`t think they will consider making any infantry besides halbs
With Tatars, they're apartmenttieros
02:10 - What is the White Cannoneer?
Love you´ve used the plural form in italian propperly
The Italian-Slavic Mafia scares the crap out of me, but the Lithuanian Condottiero scares me more since you can focus on cav upgrades and just use a good inf replacement.
Not to mention the free gold from relics.
I wonder if the Italian's popularity is going to see a bump from this video
I think they should be buffed a bit by having the unique Italian tech apply to ally condotiero units as well.
Can we get a ranking of all the special units, and why the Arambai is the absolute worst?
A bit late, but when you mentioned the Bulgarians, you should've mentioned that they automatically get swordsman upgrades in each age, so Two-Handed Swordsmen and Condottieri are both instantly available in the Imperial Age. That's a pretty important point that makes them similar.
0:30 God punished the Romans by turning them into Italians
hi! SFTL! please make a video with the best trebuchets: Huns (+30%acurracy) Britons (warwolf) tartars (+2 distance atack) Saracens ( +damage) Teutons (+meler armour) Japanese (kataparuto) Mongols (moves faster) Celts (+ hp) and may another ones!!!
Im a big fan of the Tatars "termobaric trabouchet" but i suspect that in genersl the Japanese one is better cause it fires faster.
Viking Penthousetierri needs to become canon.
Game: "Condottiero"
Me: "Condorito"
I really wish you would have mentioned or showed how they do against conquistadors or things like hussite wagons. I know you mentioned the armor only is effective against hand cannoneers, but considering their bonus damage against gunpowder units that could have been interesting.
Yes! My favorite gifted unit as a goth player!!
Honestly I’m just imagining the Japanese version.
The Japanese are now attacking in Italian…
Also probably also railing a line before battle because sweet lord that attack speed. Faster than any other melee in the game at that point.
Sweet I main persians in team games, helpful to know this! after i've douched, been a nuisance for 30 minutes, then reboomed (maybe twice) and we are two hours into team games, i'll have a late game infantry option!
Wonder if the Woad Raider is faster then a Condottiero, I was shocked to see it run faster then a horses!
If they are going to make it so the Condotierro only resists bonus damage from gunpowder units with anit infantry damage, i wish they just made it resist damage from a ll gunpowder units instead. Maybe give gunpowder units a slightly different damage class or something, or give those units a malus vs condotierros, currently it just feels wrong.
That was an unexpected pun. I approve.
Suzerainty of the City States DLC.
Possible Italian split. (Low Priority)
A very short Video on one of the reasons why I’d like this split.
Venetian-Genoese Wars | 3 Minute History
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Italian Wars | 3 Minute History
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Genoa/Milan/ Pisa.
Early to High Medieval Crusader/naval civ
UU: Genoese Crossbowman.
UU Dock: Trebuchet Galleon
UT Castle:• Pavise (foot archers and infantry +1 armor/+1 pierce armor)
UT Imp:• People's Crusade - Levy troops become Pikemen, +1 Attack to infantry and knights.
Civ Bonus1: Knight line does bonus damage against cavalry archers.
Civ bonus 2:Gallions do more damage to land units + buildings
Civ bonus 3:University+Monastery technologies cost -33%
Civ bonus 4:Billhook levies have increased farming rate.
Team bonus - Monasteries are cheaper 50% less wood.
Barracks
Champion - Crusader skin : Nasal helm, Kite shield + sword
Pikemen - Crusader skin : Nasal helm, Kite shield + Spear
Dark age Peasant levy - available in dark age , cheap, cost 20 food and 20 wood, trains extremely fast. Very low hp.
Spam these to defend against early rushes, overwhelm militia + man at arms with numbers.
Does 1 more attack than a villager but is weaker to arrow fire than a villager.
Feudal age Upgrades to BIll hook levy - More HP, benefits from scale mail armour , cost 30 food 30wood
Strong vs scout cav, same stats as Man at arms but still very weak to ranged attack. Does not benefit from forging nor Pavise. Can work on farms to gather food. (Regional unit)
Stable
Paladin (norman crusader skin same goes for Sicily)
Hussar
AR
Arb (Nasal helm Crusader crossbow skin kite shield on back)
ESkirm (Berber skin)
CA (Saracen skin)
Skirm
SW
Siege ram
Siege Tower
Mangonel
Scorpion (close relation to the Byzantines,)
Dock:
UU Dock imp: Trebuchet Galleon - same range and rate of fire as a trebuchet.
Thus almost similar to a cannon galleon but does not require chemistry nor any elite upgrade.
Galeon
FF
Heavy demo
University
No BBT
Monastery:
Regional unit: Hospitaller knights - Hospitaller knights do extremely little damage to enemy villagers (Right clicking on an enemy villager will either convert the villager (Templar) or heal the villager (Hospitalar) but they gain a +2 attack boost + 25% HP(Or conversion resistance) when within LOS of a Relic or friendly church containing one or more relics..Gains attributes from all monastery techs except Redemption:
Templar + Hospitallers are very weak to siege damage.
Genoa - Only Hospitalars
Franks/Britons/Sicilians - Both Hospitalars & Templars
Portuguese - Only Templars
Full farming tech tree
Wonder: Cathedral of Genoa, (Currently in game)
Holy see/Papal States/Florence 700s AD.
Middle to late Monk/Diplomacy civ
Castel st Angelo
UU: can use the UU of their ally or if no ally is in play they can choose which natural allies UU to use.
Swiss - Swiss Pikemen + Papal guards
Aragone - Unctioned Knight
Castile - Conquistador + Garrochistas Spanish lancer (Papal bull)
Habsburgs - Dopplesalder
Franks - Templars + Hospitilars
Venice - Venetian Arquebusiers
Genoa - Genoese Crossbowmen
UT Castle:Papal bull - can train knights (Crusader skin), your knights adopt the bonuses and skins of those attributed to the knights of your allies
UT Imp:Exiled nobles/Excommunication - Exiling nobles to the courts of your enemies causes inner turmoil with their leadership - All enemy military units -1 attack. (Expensive)
(Excommunication by the Pope (Papal states) is null and void, no effect on HRE)
Civ Bonus1: Pavise handgunners - Hand cannoneers gain +1P armour
Civ bonus 2: You receive 50% of the gold spent on training monks by your allies
Civ bonus 3:You receive 50% of the gold spent on researching of Monastery techs by your allies.
Civ bonus 4:Cardinals (Papal monks) Gains 20 gold each time they convert an enemy unit.
Team Bonus:Condottiero available in the Barracks in Imperial Age
Barracks
Champion Heater shield + sword + kettle helm
Pikemen - Heater shield + Spear + kettle helm
When allied to the Swiss , both Swiss and Papal states gain access to Papal Guards. Can hook enemies with his halberd to slow them down. Papal Guards are slower and have less Line of Sight than Halberdiers, but have more attack , more HP and gains added pierce armour when in the vicinity of any church. Does bonus damage to Landsknechts + Dopplesalders. (Uses Papal Guard skin from DE3)
Stable
Papal Bull knights (Goes up to cavalier if not allied)
Hussar
AR
Arb
Handcannonners (with Pavise on back)
Mounted Crossbowmen - does more damage than a CA but fires slower. (Portuguese as well)
If allied to a civ with strong CA you instead gain those ca + their bonuses.
SW
BBC
Capped ram
Mangonel
Scorpion
Monnestary:
Cardinals (Papal monks) Gains 20 gold each time they convert an enemy unit.
No Illumination.
Dock:
Gallion
Fast fire
Demo
Cannon galleon
Wonder:St Peters Basilica
If by in unlucky streak of bad decisions you end up in an Amazon Tunnels or Michi game, make sure your team has both Italians and Goths. Gothic condottieri spam is just bonkers against most popular strats.